TF2: Whose Spy is it Anyway?

[@ZestyJesus]

10-2024

[@SmokeyGalaxy]

Bro thinks hes the fnaf dude 💀

[@WYCKingNothing]

#BRINGBACKQUICKPLAY I will not stop until it is done and neither should you

[@dominikcz198]

That was a perfect teaser for the upcoming video.

[@PYBR0]

Is that the month for when the quickplay video will be released? #BringBackQuickplay

[@weegeequeviucoisas9854]

BIONICLE LORE VIDEO!!?!?!!1!

[@somethingguy912]

"Shitty cosmetic or shitty paint region. CALL IT"

[@Jasiuc330]

Cosmetic? Nope. It's paint region? Hell it is

[@leafofyume7838]

this video probably is gonna be about paint regions and how they can trick you into not knowing what team your looking at.

[@vivelespatat2670]

Genius intellect or mental retardation ? Call it.

[@supercube1865]

Bro the video was published 1 hour ago how did you comment 2 hours before the video was published

[@leafofyume7838]

@@supercube1865 the video was set as a premier

[@FilthyTea]

Remember the FUNKe video where he did this exact thing? He was able to do that video back then because of a GLITCH. This is completely fine to do apparently, no glitches, no bugs needed.

[@demongamer_IX]

I remember that video. It was good.

[@rdbs5687]

Funke was uploading in the olden days where tf2 was consistently updated, with people complaining when updates didnt come out after a year, lots of care given to the game compared to now

[@aesthetic3355]

Damn FUNKe, i haven't heard that name in a while

[@aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa]

i don't wanna be an old man anymore.

[@FilthyTea]

@@aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa it’s been a year or two since I’ve been out on the floor

[@OizenX]

I think it be easier to stomach if workshop creators and their defenders could at least admit they don't care rather than act like its not a real problem

[@testhekid]

most likely, it could be pride from their part they dont want to admit it

[@georgehazard9814]

They have done that before, but then they usually get way more hate

[@f145hr3831jr]

@@georgehazard9814 And they deserve the hate.

[@TheTdw2000]

Workshoppers actively hate the TF2 community, which is why they keep making shitty slop.

[@WristFreeze97]

@@TheTdw2000Fr. Read any of their defensive comments when it comes to something like this and you realize they don’t care about the game or the community and think they’re above it all.

[@Cyberguy64]

I'm just sitting here imagining playing chess with a set where the pieces are marbled with 40% of the other side's color.

[@pitivan3895]

true 😂😂😂

[@-RandomStranger-]

"No no no, that's YOUR King, I checkmated YOU!"

[@TheDiner50]

That is easy! Colors at that point means nothing but confuse anyways. If the chess pieces have to be identical for both sides? Then one player plays with each piece bang on strait and neatly placed. The other player would have to place each chess piece facing at 45 degrees. Sure some of the pieces are very round without visual features to work like that. If there was a way to make it work and still have 40% of the pieces in the wrong color? I mean it would make it painful. You could very feasibly play chess without color. It would simply be awful.

[@-RandomStranger-]

@@TheDiner50 make all the chess pieces a blur

[@pantommy]

This would be more accurate if each piece was an ever-so-slightly different shade of gray to the point you had to stop gameplay and analyze a piece before making a move, but still, same point.

[@klobb8557]

TF2 players playing devils advocate for objectively bad mechanics solely because Zesty brought it up will never not be hilarious from a meta perspective

[@littletweeter1327]

Free engagement for the algorithm baby

[@HunterStiles651]

"Zesty Man Bad" - The Woke Mind Virus

[@superbrainz2357]

​@@HunterStiles651They hated (zesty) Jesus because he spoke the truth.

[@JonathanSouza-ge8on]

Then 3 months later or so EVERYONE will start parroting the same shit he said, like always, actual definition of insanity.

[@LOVESOLDIER]

@@JonathanSouza-ge8on nah in 3 months i still wont care ab paint regions

[@ks_trl_]

tf2 fans will constantly bang on about how important it is to be excessively friendly and coddling to new players and then will defend something that massively disproportionately affects new players' ability to recognize classes and which teams they're on

[@carsonthompson4260]

literally *insert political party that you don't personally identify with*

[@RealRuruu]

I sure love it when people who don't play the game tell you how to play the game

[@drungaodys5610]

Tf2 fans dont even know what the fuck they want, i love this game but god the community is insufferable

[@genxvrx]

Probably because those are different people's perspectives

[@f145hr3831jr]

Not just new players. Even veterans get just as confused by these cosmetics since they got used to classes looking a certain way.

[@shiro_says894]

Mfs saying “people are always spy checking” THATS THE PROBLEM! It’s SPY checking, not PLAYER checking

[@EdgelordIsHere]

Last I checked, Pyro can’t have the disguise kit

[@bucket6079]

Yeah guys, it's exactly like spychecking! It's just like spy but if you gave spy a flamethrower and a shotgun and an extra 50 hp! It's not overpowered! It.. it just isn't okay!

[@met5199]

Nobody talking about the fact that spychecking eats both attention and ammo from your current clip. Laugh about ammo packs being everywhere and then realize your Black Box only has 2 rockets left for that Soldier around the corner that you got distracted by.

[@Felale]

There’s no reason to spy check an undisguised spy on your team because if an enemy spy disguises as a spy, he will appear as a disguised ally spy to you.

[@deathbot2k572]

i dont spycheck spies who dont have the mask on their face because i know that undisguised spies are always teammates

[@ChadSpyEnjoyer]

One could even say Not Our Spy

[@Geekster1984]

damn that spy’s not like us *dwuhnuhnuhnuhnuh nuuuuuh*

[@krislovespies]

Funke reference :)

[@michelangelangelo7091]

SPY IS NOT OUR SPY!

[@Mai.Calico]

"chadspyenjoyer"

[@SillyGoober765]

"Spy among us" P.s. Spy among us

[@dawiltf2880]

Thumbnail goes hard

[@doyouknoedawae]

Thumbnail makes hard

[@engineergaming3]

Thumbnail makes me hard

[@jhunt7235]

Is it a Two-Face reference?

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

@@jhunt7235 Yes. He got his team colors split.

[@kritzzzzkrieg]

a revolver and a coin... gives off some flashbacks about that one blue robot who was throwing his coins and shooting them

[@energeticyellow1637]

Shoutout to the water waders author who actually reached out to Valve and tried to fix the paint region but Valve wouldn't let him

[@kingkrool94]

at least he tried. there is however a mod that fixes the region to be much smaller, so until Valve fixes them, we'll have to use that.

[@mike1564]

When the cosmetic creator actually listens to criticism but Valve doesn't.

[@pickleman4222]

>Be Me >Walk past team mate soldier >Hes shoooting rockets so he can't be a spy >He shoots a crocket at me "Oh hes just spy checki-" mfw i'm dead instantaneously because i didn't think to spycheck the very blue soldier on red team because he wasn't acting like a spy

[@robert7100]

Thats why I always have to have hud elements with team colors or the player model enabled lol

[@dogolionnovelder4951]

emporium sisters...it's over

[@PYBR0]

Erm it’s xisters bigot

[@VaultInteractive]

if only he knew

[@Artician]

@@PYBR0 [Laugh Track]

[@Lethal_Spoon]

@@Articiananime pfp is gonna throw a fit

[@Artician]

@@Lethal_Spoon Kinda funny since Zesty's OC is directly based on an anime character and he throws fits all the time

[@unserhumanorandom6224]

"spy's always disguised anyways!" yeah,that's why he's almost 100% team color when he's not,so that if he's not disguised you can instantly,without a second of doubt tell what team they're on.

[@crouton7070]

7:38 spies disguised as spies always have a disguise on so experienced players know automatically undisguised spies are the team they appear as, making this argument even worse

[@iamangery2475]

You're right, weird that it wasn't mentioned in the video. You will never spy-check undisguised spy because they don't come that way

[@randomolisher]

@@iamangery2475 i agree completely, but ive been spychecked before while undisguised a few times, but not often

[@crouton7070]

@@randomolisher yea its only applicable to people who know it, also you can pretend to fire at your own team to sell it even better

[@randomolisher]

@@crouton7070 i mean i disagree with the argument he's giving about the Tuxedo royal since the first thing i notice with that suit in its black suit variant is the massive team colored overcoat they gave it, in its tux variant my attention is more drawn to the undersuit but the big overcoat is still just as attention-grabbing to me

[@sinaborji4648]

Another thing is that a disguised spy won't shoot because then his disguise will go away, but with this BS you have the enemy color AND you shoot your weapon. How is anyone supposed to think of something like that as an enemy spy?

[@nathanadams8044]

Close enough, welcome back Not our Spy FUNKe tf2

[@velikigospar]

Holy shit, that response from Eric Smith is so disappointing. They know, but, they literally don't care.

[@boop004]

cronyism at its finest

[@Hobobatman1000]

I love how people to this day still say "Who cares? Who would even fall for this in actual gameplay?" And then the obvious, easily attainable answer is, "Dozens of people in a single play session, here's video proof: 4:19"

[@1KiloDepartment]

Same thing with scam mail/phone calls/comments, etc, advertisements and propaganda! If you don't fall for them, someone else will. And you can always try to help those who are affected by the more dangerous ones! Or in this case, get Valve to change the colours...

[@CoolSs]

WE CARE. we care. but why they care to tell us not to care ? if it such small thing no one will notice. why they care to tell us to not care.

[@magical571]

@@CoolSs this, i always find it so funny, if it truly doesn't matter, then why do they care that we care lol. it should all be same for them in the end right? or else, it's like admitting it does matter

[@CoolSs]

@@magical571 cuz it does matter but they have no argument and just want to defend it. either out of stupidity or being malicious.

[@jm036]

I was playing sniper and a Pyro with that loadout was on my team. I kept trying to shoot it.

[@ThatRipOff]

Is TF2 the only game where a significantly vocal portion of the "community" (and it's workshop creators) just... actively and openly hate the game? Seriously, I can't think of another game where there is such a loud and influential part of the playerbase that just despises the game and anyone who actually cares about it...... yet still pretends like *they're* the ones who make up the game's *real* fanbase. It makes no sense. When did this all start? How did it all start? When did TF2 not only open to tourism, but gave the tourists permanent citizenship?

[@mike1564]

I think it's just people who came from games like fortnite/overwatch and don't understand how art direction works.

[@boop004]

I don't think it's a phenomenon unique to TF2 but my brain can't think of other examples off the top of my head. Guess it's just a familiar feeling, among a lot of certain industries.

[@iamthedrumandbassfarmer8735]

Because folks realised they could make money off this game rather than get a real job then buddied up with others like them to form a workshop cartel

[@thesaul9484]

Tarkov and Overwatch

[@soapstheguy]

having confusing paint regions is actually a direct downside to player using the cosmetic, because it means they'll most likely survive for longer which means they'll die slower, which means it will take longer for their caber to recharge.

[@able_archer01]

they should buff it by giving it bleed damage

[@Gravity_studioss]

Watch people buy this thing to get a deliberate advantage

[@Gravity_studioss]

​@@able_archer01 BLEED FOR 8 SECONDS 💯🤑🙏

[@ColonelKlink1965]

When I play TF2, I either only see a red blurry blob that I can't decipher or a blue blurry blob that I can't decipher. What is your problem?

[@doctormedic2682]

Blob Fortress

[@CoolSs]

@@doctormedic2682 de blob! is that the famous tf2 grifter lucid reference

[@N00BSYBORG]

Demovision was always the intended player experience.

[@JonathanSouza-ge8on]

@@N00BSYBORG True, drinking 6 cans of cheap beer before playing tf2 for the ultimate demovision was the most fun i ever had playing this game.

[@dogeboithedoomslayer]

20:40 vision TF2

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

I can’t believe Spy got in a horrific accident that disfigured exactly half his team colors.

[@aerinsoleris]

red spy and blue spy got their suits mixed at the dry cleaners

[@Mr.TwoFaceGuy]

@@aerinsoleris a truly terrifying accident.

[@AshleysBrother]

Clearly tf2 needs batman to save us

[@m.i.g.2023]

All the claims about spy being "always disguised or cloaked so it doesn't matter" get completely defeated by this clip 6:21

[@skyris_aa2159]

Im just kinda starin

[@Brown95P]

Man, I *_WISH_* the Spy disguise actually fooled people as well as this. And I don't mean the disguise kit; I mean the actual Spy disguise you can select from that kit.

[@williammin8340]

They do, though...?

[@demongamer_IX]

They do. You just ain't doing it right.

[@capy684]

@@williammin8340 this is almost even better because with a disguise, you will be revealed when shooting your gun, now you can fool people by shooting as a prove youre not an enemy spy

[@tomas6621]

​@@demongamer_IXThey dont they are wery bugy.

[@demongamer_IX]

@@tomas6621 Ok you do got a point on that. God forbid there’s an enemy Demoknight.

[@rsho3472]

It's funny that Valve actually did change agent skins in CSGO at the time, even tho people had already bought them, and VALVE of all companies, is no stranger to make changes that the majority of the community hates in their games and still keep them. (L4D2 No Addons on Versus - Agent skins - Meet Your Match, etc.)

[@tearex8688]

Really ? The hypocrisy is real. Cause csgo like tf2 is held to such a higher strict standard of recognition. Csgo players at this point would play on a hammer unit orange map if they could cause a lot complain about visual recognition. The only difference is valve cares or seem to care about CSGO because of its E-sport scene. But I guess tf2 doesn't justify such care to valve except milking it to death.

[@jeffulilweeb]

​@@tearex8688 Valve does not care about CS2

[@tearex8688]

@jeffulilweeb well more like the company kind of "care". But yea. Valve is due to be flamed to hell and back. But others will be against that. Hold them accountable like an actual company. We will have to fight for every inch.

[@dancingenginier5707]

Not totaly the same because if you remove paint regon you would also have to refund everyone the color and that too much work for valve

[@kimmy620]

​@@dancingenginier5707Either change the region into something smaller or remove the paint from the item and return it to the player's backpack.

[@InfamousInvictis]

One advantage you can utilize that wasn't shown in the video was shooting your gun at your teammates while alongside the enemy. Spies can't shoot disguised and they'll assume you're just attacking like the rest of them. Shooting or performing any weapon animation is a universal "i'm not a spy" indicator and that gets thrown out the window.

[@Psyche_TH]

I think realistically you are correct about 99% of circumstances but I feel it's necessary to point out that technically a disguised spy can play a reload animation and stay disguised although this is incredibly rare to see.

[@RandomGuy0127]

They should've made the TIE paintable, not the ENTIRE TUXEDO.

[@boop004]

or the collar of the tuxedo vest, just something small yknow

[@AveryHyena]

My favorite cope was the person implying "if your vision ISN'T blurry, then you SHOULDN'T drive" These people are so desperate to disagree with bad evil zesty man

[@Fatsaver]

These people are filled with so much hate you couldn't even imagine. Meanwhile Zesty moved on.

[@ultramario4309]

8:40 Something that makes this example make sense on how people mess up is to not focus your vison on the spy and figure out what color this is, as the Spy won't just be standing in the middle of the screen, leading to them not being the first thing the player sees.

[@Jasiuc330]

Another thing, your eyes always gonna gravitate into center of the chr. If the first thing in center you see is for instance cold color similar to blue, you might dismiss the fact that the rest doesn't match, not to mention if Spy appears on side of your screen and because of how human eye work, you not gona recognize it so easily

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

b-b-but if they bring back quickplay, how else will i edge to the queing screen!?!

[@baconlover09423]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@energeticyellow1637]

>she doesn't use the casual queue screen for her 4 hour long gooning sessions Never gonna make it.

[@No-ut1dn]

love this moment when i starting to queue up for casual, and then i blankly stare at artificial light of my electronic device, in complete silence of deep night, and as seconds going - i feel how every rational thought fades away, and the giant colossus known as time moves abnormal-sized dark spaces, which happen to include me, into uncertain future, by every nanosecond, every moment. Then i remind to myself - "i spent 1000's of hours in this game - that's like month living in a game, but what i remember from it?" - and i struggling to answer. But i remembered: first randomizer match on cp_orange, when i was a newbie; vague moments of 24/7 hightower/2fort/dustbowl, which were for nothing more than mechanizing my game skills; and for the final, some random community maps, that i explored with 2-3 random people, the most rarest ones. As i started to search these community servers again - i saw ruins: 0 players. I wanted join in anyway, but spotting casual queue bar with back of my eye - i stopped. These were last times. They will not return. And i stare blankly again, and every second is tougher and tougher to swallow, eyes started to unfocus and creating blurry white image... Until the loud sound breaks in, and everything returns to normal. -expect its a match of megaton- -AND THERE IS SOME HALF-RED HALF BLUE SPY WANDERING AROUND-

[@Stormfly]

As someone who is colorblind (Moderate Deutan specifically) on mainly the red color, the argument they used against you of "I have to be more situationally aware" is complete nonsense. With 1500+ hours of Team Fortress 2 I am very familiar with the nature of Spy gameplay and these cosmetics do severely mess me up with colors regardless of how aware I am of my surroundings. The players against the color recognition philosophy is pretty much giving the middle finger to people like me and I'm not the only one who deals with colorblindness. With the standard clothing and colors placed in vanilla TF2, not once have I had a problem of recognizing who is enemy and who is friend. These cosmetics change that and I have been screwed many times by them. Workshop creators should 100% have to consider the amount of colors you are able to customize on said cosmetic or you'll create the problems you have showcased.

[@gooblymcfarts]

I was gonna say, thank you for commenting. I'm not colorblind myself but id magine the people who are color blind or other vision issues. Fuck them I guess, painting the item an ugly green and pink is more important. It's ridiculous

[@Fihn]

"See? Red! No wait, that's his coat."

[@dumbvillage9253]

"You probably lack basic situation awareness to play tf2" is such a downrigt horrendous argument, holy shit. I never would have expected to see everything bad put in 1 place. Insulting anyone who disagrees, basically saying they are disabled in some way? Check. Completely fucking incorrect? Check Smug attitude? Check. everything being wrong? *check.* Any element of surprise, at all, is the most immensely powerful thing in the world, full stop. If you were punched in the face and expected it - it would hurt much less. Than if it were for a weaker hit to catch you by surprise - you will probably writhe in pain for a moment and spend time recover from your shock. When you are playing for tf2, you look out for scouts, soldiers, medics with uber. Not some dude using a very speccific cosmetic set, that appears once in a blue moon. Because keeping any amount of attention looking for something that usually doesn't happen will reduce your efficiency in some way. If you were looking every match for a pyro with a mishmash of colors, you'd get picked off by scouts you weren't looking for. It's that simple. And i am baffled by how people seem so adhered by the idea of maybe just eliminating this issue? Sure, you may tolerate it. But there is absolutely no denying you will have a better time without it. So why are you fighting to make things worse for yourself? Making racket over small things is unreasonable - yes, but would you boycott your favorite company, because they polished up their product?

[@lotion5238]

Spy only needs but a single moment where you're distracted to strike. That's his gameplay loop, pick off targets as soon as they show weakness.

[@rudolph2937]

Do you thin SquimJim would have the courage to say this out loud to all the people at 4:20? I don't think he would "Why don't you that to my face tough guy? BONK"

[@whenyououynehw9338]

I feel like the thing Zesty should had said that he is concerned that more and more cosmetics covering paint regions will be made and it will hurt team recognition, yet instead he just bitch and moans about how spy should be played and how the cosmetic ruins him. In my 10 hours of playing TF2 on payload and Capture the point(Not abbreviating that lmao) I saw a single spy using this setup. And he died every single time cause he thought he could just waltz in. He did fool some people, once, and then it stopped working.

[@Sypitz]

Found the r/Tf2 gooner

[@orangejuice8279]

@@rudolph2937 given his latest tweet, he probably would. I used to think SquimJim was cool but he's been putting out a lot of weird takes lately, kind of a shame honestly

[@Taifun_TV]

At this point let's just put black and white filter over TF2. The colors are not important anyways, right?

[@No-ut1dn]

Add mexican filters to "break this game really bad"

[@evdestroy4121]

@@No-ut1dn Applejack:

[@pulledpork9778]

About the spychecking point, it’s even worse since I only spycheck friendly spies when they have a mask on. I’m going to be naturally trusting an undisguised spy because I’m aware that disguising as spy forces your character model to have a mask. Identifying a spy when they are undisguised is just as important as when they are disguised since you need to quickly distinguish them from visual clutter after they get a kill / are outed as an enemy.

[@temkin9298]

I always check because my computer slowly displaces textures objects etc. For example my computer might just forget the oriantation of stairs or signs. Missing player models, missplaced team colours. Tf2 is already made of ductape my computer makes it more obvious.

[@tmkay_]

​@@temkin9298 wtf are you playing on!?

[@temkin9298]

@@tmkay_ A laptop. I have no idea why it does that. It hates dustbowl in paticular.

[@Felale]

7:05 undisguised spy who looks like he’s on your team *can’t* be an enemy spy because when you disguise as spy you always have the paper mask on. The colors are beyond gamebreaking in this regard. People will not spy check an undisguised spy.

[@ayakaasama]

the claims about spy being "always disguised or cloaked so it doesn't matter" get completely defeated by this clip 6:21 which you literally watched 40 seconds ago (low attention span?) not to mention the clip you watched at 7:21 (16 seconds later) it took the medic a moment before he realized and decided to attack

[@Psyche_TH]

@@ayakaasama I believe the commenter is speaking in support of Zesty's argument but has phrased it awkwardly.

[@jared6343]

I literally played last week and a pyro had an outfit that made them near totally green, tricking both teams

[@s4ndr3x98]

Same If i remember they looked feathery or dotted

[@Arslan35]

Zesty straight up made us watch casual matchmaking for 4 minutes straight, and I LOVE IT

[@MelTheMann]

hi

[@Iteration456-8_codename_goblin]

Fr fr this is a great injustice I need $2000 in damages so I can commission “art” for a friend

[@widhskxnkan1349pl]

​@@Iteration456-8_codename_goblin Elaborate

[@just-linx8271]

Wait, how is he getting so long of a time? Ever since the ban hammer finishes charging and delivered a one-two, wait times have gone from 40sec-8minutes all the way down to seconds

[@energeticyellow1637]

​@@just-linx8271 plr_pipeline bros just can't get enough

[@farcy3insanitymeme]

died 2015, born 2024 Welcome back not our spy

[@bluemaster75]

People need to watch FUNKe’s video called “Not Our Spy” and then come back and say with 100% certainty that it’s not a problem.

[@boop004]

I miss FUNKe.

[@krubbington]

THANK YOU for calling out braindead twitter takes and putting them on full display for everyone to witness the absurdity of these people. it's so cathartic

[@tearex8688]

Valve modern day in cs:go: scorch earths anything that possibly dare kill clean recognition. Valve with tf2 modern day: nah.

[@Small_child_punter]

Ah man, not SQUIMJIM 😞 I love that guy. Still do. Hard when your goat misses.

[@Motemeii]

Yeah :(

[@doctormedic2682]

Usually he cooks some delectable meals, but he served up some goop this time ngl

[@Goaty_1]

I assume it’s because bro usually talks about the stats and lore of the game rather than the gameplay itself, so it’s harder for him to put in perspective of the color against player gameplay.

[@PYBR0]

I’ve only recently discovered SquimJim and I’ve seen two misses from this guy already. His quickplay rebuttal video and now this

[@Small_child_punter]

@@Goaty_1 his razorback video proved he’s got at talking about gameplay fundamentals as well

[@rlenclub]

"lack the basic situational awareness required to play TF2" gatekeeping? that's not so wholesome!

[@TreatsFGaming]

FYI it’s not like valve *can’t* remove shit from tf2 models. This is quintessentially small in comparison to paint regions, but on the Desk Engineer, the creator put a bisexual flag and a trans flag on the model, I believe on the back of the ID card (where nobody would see it). And, in the recent patch for the game, they removed it. REGARDLESS OF YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, it proves that they CAN change models. There’s probably a lot more that goes into changing paint regions for a model, but, as someone with 0 experience on making games, I believe they could still do it. They just choose not to.

[@mike1564]

Valve being hypocritical instead of adhering to their guidelines.

[@forple8930]

Don't forget they already fixed the visibility issue in CSGO when they opened the pandora's box of agent skins.

[@thefurryhuntinscout4554]

No way in piss they actually removed that.

[@seafouronesea]

based valve

[@TreatsFGaming]

@@seafouronesea please move you attention to “regardless of your thoughts on this” and shut up

[@DelusionalDetective]

She team on my recognition till I Not Our Spy

[@fathermc249]

*[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]*

[@cheezeebutter452]

_Living privileges have been revoked. Dispensing neurotoxin._

[@Killa1012]

@@cheezeebutter452 who are you? GLaDOS????

[@cheezeebutter452]

_Warning, Neurotoxin reaching dangerously unlethal levels._

[@beiwubsnsod7378]

Tf2 zoomers when the specially designed characters arent neon technicolor furry nightmares

[@Gravity_studioss]

"Nooo!!!111 Stop adding 60s-era-appropriate mercenary gear! I need more neon green slop!"

[@Swing_Bonnie]

I find it funny how the TF2 how some niche parts of the TF2 community are so determined not give ground to any "unsavory" figures that they will find the smallest, unstable hill of dirt they can die on while trying to convince you that they are standing on a mountain of solid steel. Just so they can continue to gaslight themselves into thinking they are the genuine future of the game when in fact they have not had a actual good idea since they started playing.

[@dracozeon_]

The fact that some people are arguing that classes shouldnt have color recognition is just so braindead and funny to me.

[@TheTdw2000]

Workshoppers don't actually play the game and hate the fanbase at large.

[@maninthemask6275]

Literally just ask for a color outline around player models if your so triggered by this

[@RemoveThisTrashLetMeSeeNames]

​@@maninthemask6275, don't say that ever again lol

[@maninthemask6275]

@@RemoveThisTrashLetMeSeeNames this is done in lots of other games already.

[@sonofmeh3182]

i didn't think this was that big of an issue until i got fooled by a pyro the other day

[@parmesanbrawler7183]

And even if you hadn't, it would inevitably happen if things continue the way they are now.

[@tacnayn-x]

The TF2 community on zesty jesus be like: "Oh, zesty's pfp doesn't have one eye. Let's make him lose the other!"

[@ColonelKlink1965]

What do you mean, they all just see an orange blob because that's clearly how vision works.

[@dumbvillage9253]

​@@ColonelKlink1965that Colonel is god damn spy!

[@ColonelKlink1965]

@@dumbvillage9253 I am looking for an underground agent.

[@qweriop]

Someone should make a texture pack for the guy that said that only the average color matters lol

[@VaultInteractive]

The people who argue against paint regions are probably high on the fumes from the paint in their backpacks

[@zpydd_]

lol

[@dodgediplomat]

emporium xisters... what do we have to say?

[@heartnet40]

Anytime someone says this topic is a non-issue, link that same person the FunKe video of him doing this exact thing like 6 years ago. Because yes, this is an issue and it's happened before.

[@plungagaming]

4:23 remember guys, according to some people in community, these guys are all stupid, and do not have skill necessary to play TF2 because they were fooled. these aren’t even F2Ps, let that sink in.

[@cerabond7650]

More communities and fandom's, not just in gaming, but in all types of media, should have more people like Zesty when it comes to stuff like this. People who have the titanium balls to speak the facts when no one else will.

[@boop004]

yeah I love this guy he's very admirable. Sadly ... I can't say I can bring myself to care about the state of TF2 anymore, but I'm glad he is opening serious discussion to those who do. And he does make reference to the fact these issues are a bigger issue, not just within Valve, but modern gaming as a whole. I agree with you.

[@RadioactiveBlutonium]

preach

[@SnipingIsAGoodJobMate]

Ah yes let me quickly just press left click and spy check with the Heavy, I sure love revving to shoot my teammate every single time because he may be an enemy abusing paint regions, I sure installed the game to do that instead of actually shooting the enemy

[@Markm8]

6:00 bro the red heavy shot at you, somehow tricked both teams at once

[@youtubechanne5014]

I wonder what the creator of this comestic feels about this

[@Jasiuc330]

Potentially he might laugh cause of all the money he gets from his cosmetic cause it found new market branch which are peoples that wanna troll or have unfair advantage over others

[@GrassiestGrassy]

The creator probably tried to prevent players trying to look like they’re on the opposing team because the paints applied to the cosmetic are intentionally dull.

[@Pinkman999]

@@GrassiestGrassyhe could have prevented it by not making the paint region lol

[@BoP0e]

He doesn't care. He's happy because he gets paid from it and probably larping as a female online idfk.

[@isg4]

@@Pinkman999 some decisions you make sound harmless when you make them then later you find out it was a bad decision

[@teoportun]

What the hell is this ending? This is some marvel kinda teasing Zesty

[@RedWithTheObviouslyLongHandle]

The “wait your match” video

[@AshleysBrother]

"not gonna talk about meet your match? Fine I'll do it myself " zesty probably

[@comicaldays]

Average Mannpower queue

[@gorgesmith8102]

​@@comicaldaysThis comment is 100% true.

[@koloml2]

The fog is coming...

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

Contrarians will be like “that’s some nice evidence there, shame I’m gonna ignore it”

[@Roddy-g2d]

Squimjims fanbase actually hates this guy. I've seen it on his discord

[@crashman7968]

it could even be

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

I'm 12

[@jadenmudge]

@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan wha

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

@@jadenmudge joke

[@CourierSiix]

​@@Mate_Antal_Zoltanjokes are supposed to be funny

[@S0m3one1DK]

*Bang* What it was obvious

[@fezzicus]

i will never forget the time i had a sniper on my team with that one body cosmetic with 4 tiny little polygons dedicated to team colour and i kept shooting at the guy for genuinely being unable to tell if the guy was on red or blu alongside having phong shaders off

[@someone4229]

This is funke's "Not our spy" video all over again

[@GleebieDeebie]

Im still getting used to TF2 as a game (I dont often play shooters) and despite having put a good few hours into the game I have still, on many occasioms ran into this issue, I vividly remember a Harvest match where there was this enemy Pyro who wasnt even remotely blue or Red, they just looked like a lime had thrown up all over them and for the next few minutes I just had no idea that they were an enemy, its REALLY annoying

[@Murillable]

Ah yes, UnusualSandwich. The guy who petitioned Valve to ban all sprays and decals because he was personally triggered by a striped pastel flag with a red line through it.

[@lil_ursa]

They cry as they strike you

[@maninthemask6275]

Honestly they probably should ban sprays considering how abused they get...

[@minus100iq8]

​@@maninthemask6275 Why not remove the text chat, voice chat, name tags, description tags and profile customization then? They also get abused

[@maninthemask6275]

@@minus100iq8 sounds like a good idea to be honest a lot of tf2 players only communicate through voice lines anyways.

[@Gravity_studioss]

That shit ended his career

[@JonathanThe501st]

Zesty announcing he's going to do something interesting? Best birthday present ever.

[@ieuanhunt552]

Happy birthday

[@vladimirputin5980]

🎉Happy birthday

[@Thiccies]

Happy birthday

[@LizardCharles]

Dude, I remember when I started playing tf2, about a year ago, I joined as Medic, I thought that our Sniper was an enemy cuz he was blu and I simply FORGOT I WAS BLU TOO, I was shooting at him from the syringe gun for about 10 seconds before I realized. These paint regions would make me insane back then

[@_joey_4744]

0:47 Off-topic, but the third priority, weapon recognition, is kinda nullified by a few warpaints. For instance, the stock rocket launcher can be dyed orange, which at a glance looks a lot like the rocket jumper.

[@TheTdw2000]

The rocket jumper has had a completely different model for years at this point. It's blatantly obvious whether someone's using a rocket launcher painted orange or the rocket jumper.

[@_joey_4744]

@@TheTdw2000 at a glance, this is not the case

[@baronvonwhinsectown2454]

​@@_joey_4744At a glance, if you play the game long enough you'll come to realise that no war paint comes close to resembling the rocket jumper model (so far that is, I've seen workshop submissions that just copy and pasted the jumper weapon design and those would mess you up for sure)

[@energeticyellow1637]

Weapon skins were a mistake

[@user-yu1mg5lz1v]

I've seen this once on Uncletopia and was confused as hell. Also because there was another soldier using the rocket jumper as if it were stock, probably.

[@Maxler5795]

until you literally told me so i thought the paint region was the actual coat. i would've 100% died to this guy

[@-_._._-]

When are we getting the truth nuke vid on the Emporium worksloppers? Also yes, Diva Dan is notably braindead.

[@Sodownik]

Random "Ah" counter 0:31 6:56 10:57

[@energeticyellow1637]

Thank you for your valuable contribution to the team fortress 2 community

[@RadioactiveBlutonium]

thank you I needed this

[@WanderSeth]

Me, listening in the background: Oh wtf, he's like actively bashing on people? Tab in, it's Twitter Nevermind, they're not real people.

[@a.a.3291]

Once in a game of badwater, an engi on the enemy team said in chat "They should add the ERROR sign as a hat it's so iconic" and I said "no. this isn't a kid's game, stop adding shit that conflicts with the game's aesthetic design." Needless to say everyone went ape-shit over what I said and called me a stereotypical spy main (I was playing spy)

[@TheTdw2000]

Gotta love when you play semi-competently as a class and get called a [that class] main. I've been called a spy main despite spy being one of my least played classes because some kid was angry at my opinions.

[@a.a.3291]

@@TheTdw2000 What that engineer doesn't know is that I main engineer and not spy :) (and ofcourse I'm a better engi)

[@MarkSerenadesYou]

To me it's so much about silhouettes. When a cosmetic has a similar silhouette as a stock item, and then swaps the color? Look at the silhouette of a Stock blue spy, and your Red "Blue" spy. Their head regions are basically identical. That's such a mixed signal. If it's a weird and wacky hat? Sure I can handle that variable. But switching a that ski mask color is egregious.

[@parmesanbrawler7183]

The people excusing this problem don't realize that it will continue to add up over time. A few problematic cosmetics will soon become many, and then we'll really have a mess on our hands.

[@pretizell9861]

who needs the disguise kit when you can use cosmetics to prank players

[@hamburguesaconpapas124]

Ah yes, i love converging my vision into a monochrome averaged out color of my field of view

[@lotion5238]

Dude the millisecond I saw that cosmetic I was like "Dear fucking god they didn't learn did they?"

[@GoEatATowel]

It's intentionally done. They do it because they hate you and they hate the game.

[@randomolisher]

so you didnt see the massive red/blue overcoat they gave it?

[@lotion5238]

@@randomolisher I don't care you don't change large swathes of team color without either adding in more

[@randomolisher]

@@lotion5238 bro that overcoat covers most of the suit

[@arciks11]

​@@randomolishercenter of the mass is neutral colored, and when you paint it closer to opposing team's color you will create confusion.

[@user-cv6ey9zt8h]

TF2 Emporium coping rn

[@WYCKingNothing]

#BRINGBACKQUICKPLAY

[@Fregler]

Bruh as somebody with severly limited vision I have always found the base designs of the mercs to be fantastic for quick and easy recognition and that guy talking about avarageing is just straight up wrong, the strong contrasts is the easiest way for me to differentiat things from one another so if to almost equal parts are very differing colours I would never be able to tell without just having it spelled out for me.

[@mostverticalproductions4808]

Hardest thumbnail of all time. Zest keeps winning.

[@notadoctor3324]

#BringBackQuickPlay and keep repeating it until it is done.

[@TigerKirby215]

Average "paint regions should not convert a vast majority of a merc's primary colors" enjoyer: "If I can't easily tell what team someone's on in TEAM Fortress 2 that's probably a problem." Average "massive bullshit paint regions are fine, actually" fan: _15 paragraph essay on how human psychology makes us see everything as blurry grey blobs, I guess_

[@rosant7074]

4:50 The way the pyro just turned and was like. "Hol' Up"

[@CharaGonzalez-lt7yw]

I assume this is a "in the meanwhile" kind of video to fill in the content gap while you chip away at the bigger stuff. Either way looks like a banger

[@skhighglitch4217]

@9:28 This guy. This is the same person who made the SteamBoat Willy Pyro mask. I remember that deleted tweet they made after they got called out, after backlash when they posted about the workshop user who criticized the mask cosmetic. Comments are gone it seems. And since that Tweet is now deleted and responses are scattered across the ether, I'm going to post my response here. "I ain’t gon sugar coat it. No thanks/Not Interested. It’s Steamboat Willy clashing against Forest Gump with AA. Pyro’s will stick out like a sore thumb. It’s ugly when pressed against Team Fortress 2’s “modest is hottest” minimal effects. It just ain’t the TF2 Vibe."

[@keylimeviking]

Workshoppers, please...PLEASE start caring. Valve clearly doesn't. They'll add a Chris Tucker leopard skin to the game for Soldier if someone makes it. The community carries the weight of preserving both the art style and the gameplay. Valve won't stop adding bad items to the game until workshoppers stop making bad items for the game.

[@TheTundraTerror]

Gotta love how Spy's tie, the one thing you expect to be recolored, is not part of the paint region while the pants are paintable.

[@doppelstarker5915]

Future critic about Zesty: " You showed how funny it is to truck players with team recognition via your laughs in the gameplay part! Thus you encouraged people to use these problematic loadouts! You are a source of the issue!"

[@doctormedic2682]

This is true. While this is quite minor overall and I have only run into 6-7 of these in game (as many as I remember), that shouldn't be an excuse for these to become a main stay or that it is okay. I remember you or weezy said something similar to this (I think it had to do with ice cream and dicks); It is like you sit down to have a nice meal. However, when it is served to you, it has a couple of rat droppings in it. It may be the finest cuisine ever placed upon a table and you can try to pick around them, but no one wants rat shit in their food no matter how small it is. These paint regions, while a small problem, shouldn't be a problem at all. Of course I do not think there was any malicious intent, but there has to be a bit of quality control on this, so it doesn't happen. While it may not fool everyone every time, it shouldn't be able to do that at all. It just shouldn't be a problem. Great video! Also, respect to the Water Warders cosmetic guys for addressing the issue and taking the feedback in at least a little bit.

[@oddgod8005]

its just the FUNKe "Not Our Spy" video all over again

[@thanhhaitran9422]

Oh boy redditards are malding over this video

[@super_shotgun]

i like how the title feels like a continuation of "not our spy" like a conversation. not our spy, whose spy is it anyways?

[@BinaryBolias]

Whose not spy is ours anyway?

[@pistouli]

12:54 we love the eva reference, that plays at rei's apartement block

[@kars3641]

Ep5 babbyyyy

[@maskofthedragon]

0:20 Remember how after that video we got a map that was dark as Hell and had a red tint?

[@CoolSs]

11:05 I can't wait for your MYM video. #Fixtf2 by #BringBackQuickplay #RevertTF2toPreMYM #UnmuteF2P #ReturnTheSprays

[@normalhuman4951]

YES RETURN THE SPRAYS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THERES ALREADY AN OPTION TO TURN THEM OFF IM BEGGING

[@CoolSs]

@@normalhuman4951 they originally disabled them because of an exploit. they used to be on Valve server. THEY should be on by default, on Valve server with the option to disable them.

[@CoolSs]

@@normalhuman4951 they disabled them because of an exploit years ago. they should return and be on default.

[@notadoctor3324]

AMEN BROTHER 🦾

[@CoolSs]

@@rama-rao-y8u Not even the dragons.