Cummins Tug of War: Is Newer Really Better?

[@TheMeanmarine13]

This is just what I needed after a hard night. Recovering from a heart-wrenching breakup and I needed something positive to watch. This is exactly what the doctor ordered

[@RichWithTech]

Break ups are tough bro, but after that comes the promiscuous phase, which you're gonna love

[@azhaganvivekanandhan2089]

Or if your like me, it's time to take up motorcycling 😂

[@donaldlester1997]

Congratulations on the breakup!!!

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

Time for a country song. Breakups and pickups. Just add alcohol.

[@roadglide1142]

She’s So Not worth it! Move on 😂

[@DanOCan]

It’s hard to appreciate how different those 2nd gens were compared to the others on the market. It took me a couple of years to “get it” but I soon came around to loving it. I had a 2001 24 valve Cummins with the five speed manual and I still miss that truck.

[@TheMutchlerchad]

I had the same 2001 that I bought new...wish I had never sold it.

[@eternalbeing3339]

Which one is more reliable? Which one is easier to work on? Which one has cheaper parts? Which one can run on waste motor oil or vegetable oil? Which one is cheaper? The 2nd gen 12 valve cummins is. Which is why i own one and will never sell it.

[@danielhammond8429]

Agreed. I can't justify buying a more expensive newer vehicle. My daily driver is over 50 years old and does the same job with the same comfort level of a modern car, only difference is the tech that is easily adaptable to older vehicles. Sure it may be slightly worse on emissions but no worse than all the emissions created in making new cars everyday. Probably less emissions caused than if I had a new vehicle built every few years.

[@Stryckerrr]

Even if u were able to afford a new one, would u?

[@danielhammond8429]

@Stryckerrr Iv been able to afford a new truck (my daily is an El Camino and of course they don't sell anything modern like it in USA) and iv also had newer vehicles while iv owned my classic and still preferred to drive the classic. Now we did buy my wife's brand new but that's her choice and what she likes. Iv never kept any of my own modern vehicles very long because I just didn't care for them enough to hang on to them so anytime I could make money on them I sold them. If u haven't owned a GOOD old classic car u should definitely give it a shot, for most people there's no going back once u do but even if it's not ur cup of tea it's hard to loose money on one as they usually only increase in value so u could always sell it if u decided not to keep it.

[@gabet945]

I liked the older trucks that were analog and didnt have all the computer stuff. You dont need all the crap they stick in vehicles now days.

[@flight2k5]

Ya know the 94 has a computer as well right??

[@RichWithTech]

@@flight2k5 yea but it's not to the same extent and it doesn't sell driver data to insurance companies who may increase your rates or sell your conversation to advertisers like Ford is now doing

[@sirmounted8499]

Yeah older vehicles had soul and character. New vehicles are propped full of technologies that makes it way less fun to drive, it's practically driving itself.

[@flight2k5]

@@sirmounted8499 yea that’s not true

[@gabet945]

@@flight2k5 Yes I was talking about the older trucks before computers. Which is why I said "I liked the older trucks that were analog and didn't have all the computer stuff" Words are revealing if you don't make assumptions.

[@andrewb5415]

Oh yeah, manual t-case for the 94 win too 🙂🙂

[@JustinKingOffroad]

I've been doing some work at a scout camp in Wyoming ahead of a huge event end of the month, and I'm thrashing around in my f250 as much as you guys are on the course haha!! Got a good laugh out of those scenes!

[@85bigGMC]

Man, I love that 2nd gen.

[@coryernewein]

That old cummins just steamrolled the new truck in that 1/4 mile😎 Excellent vidjéo fellas🤙

[@ljmorris6496]

The '94 is tuned, tune the 6.7 and you're in the lead....

[@roadglide1142]

Yup it sure did 😂👍😁

[@StrawHatGarage]

​@@ljmorris6496 dollar for dollar spent the old one will win.

[@andrewb5415]

That 94 was a great find for what you paid

[@dirtsailoroff-road5580]

I completely agree with cayse, there are no problems with second gens, it's the perfect truck. I got rid of my Rebel to buy an old 5.9 Magnum 4x4 Sport. Put a nice limited slip in the rear and a locker in the front, because that's whats on the market and you're good lol.

[@moparjr89]

heads and cam so its not gutless and you get close to the first gen 5.7 hemi power

[@angelawerner7696]

Awesome video! You put a lot of thought and effort into these comparisons. I felt like I had come along for the ride.

[@billcashman4006]

My son has an 07 6.7/6 spd auto 3500 Dually, my eldest son has a 2020 Hemi Rebel, my wife has an 09 6.7/6spd manual Dually, and I have a 96 12 valve/ 5spd Dually and a 2020 6.7/6spd auto /4x4 Dually. Love them all.

[@Youngstacker]

How much did you buy them for

[@brianschor3832]

Cas, I would love to have a truck like yours. My first Cummins was a 2003 with the 5-speed and my 2nd one was a 2018. I’d take the 2003 model any day of the week! Your ‘94 would be a blast.

[@1randyharbin]

These videos with you two are fun, keep it up!

[@jdfleetguy28]

Love today’s video. I am huge diesel truck fan, and big fan of Kase’s 2nd Gen. That second gen 12 valve Cummins just sounds so sweet! My 23 model Cummins is just way too quiet. Great work guys!

[@EndgamerYT-jj8sk]

My uncle has a 24 valve Cummins with an Automatic trans. Great truck, and I hauled haybales with it. And I'm only 13!

[@Tinovodanovic]

Gotta love every Cummins video of yours essentially if there's the 2nd gen involved.

[@peterlundskow4061]

It is a minor detail but in the 90's your truck looked so much different than any of other truck on the market. I thought they looked very cool, the new one not so much.

[@dougpendleton1266]

Great job guys!

[@mrsteve4313]

Majorly of 2nd gen transmission problems are from people hopping up the motor and doing nothing for the transmission! Most trucks left stock have tons of miles on the transmission, but there are very few Cummins left stock

[@JoshKetchum]

Awesome vid guys!

[@brocka.stanley6072]

If you think that truck sits up high then you should have seen the 90’s single wheel Ford F350 4x4. There was 8” difference between the top of its fender and the fender of a stock F150 4x4. I had two of them and they looked so damn tough!! My dad was the first person to used a Flowmaster exhaust in our little town and the first person to have a complete cold air intake on a vehicle and it was on the F350 4x4 single wheel with the 5.8L efi. And it sounded so good.

[@Dave-zz9fk]

Great video - thanks Case & Tommy

[@Ramblin_Rob]

I had the v-10 version. My favorite truck.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

drove a V10 it was a beast plenty of power

[@kc0lif]

nice test. hope there's a buy or bust coming soon.

[@shanemedlin9400]

My first Cummins was an aut 4x4 1993, second was a standard, same model. Much better truck. Third was a 1996, manual 4c4, waaaay better truck. My nostalgic favorite was a 1997 4x4 manual that we tuned, and it had a TON of power. That one looked exactly like this 1994. I now have a 2004 auto 4x4, and a 2004.5 dually 4x4 g56 6-speed that I drive daily. Its a very good truck, better in many ways than any of them, and I really love it, but I miss the 12-valve. Cheaper everything. I did put Yukon manual locking hubs in the '04.5, and I also put an '03 engine in it because the original engine spun a main bearing.

[@jamessizemore7103]

Ahh I love case's 2nd gen, he did an awesome job with it. It would be really cool if he put it up against deboss garage's new hybrid truck when it's done

[@17MGTP]

Good Day 🌅

[@ljmorris6496]

It depends on what you want, personally I'll get the new truck because I pull trailers over the highway but the older truck would be a great local work truck...

[@AlexBenson-206]

In one episode, I would love to see you guys do a durability test on the Morris minor/the British Beetle.

[@GLM71023]

I have a 2015 25004x4 with 63000 miles and a 2002 2500 4x4 2nd gen with 289000 miles and I like driving the 2nd gen the best. There’s just something about the older truck I enjoy driving it.

[@LotsOfPaypa]

The flex from that cab and bed is insane lol

[@christophbecker1639]

That 2nd gen just sounds amazing !

[@stevekniess3665]

Awesome video. I would daily drive either one great trucks

[@TFLclassics]

Thanks 👍

[@tyrrellroach8122]

I think the 94-96 ram were the best looking trucks. I also tend to like the interiors better than anything since.

[@renflo86]

Great Video

[@petermello55]

13:00 fiat Chrysler build quality baby lol

[@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel]

The jealousy from haters is the best evidence you we could ever ask for. RIP

[@petermello55]

@@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel there’s a Fiat-Chrysler fan club?

[@unluckycharms9017]

The crew cab and extra engine weight makes a big weight difference

[@shanemedlin9400]

The 6.7 weighs pretty much the same as the 5.9 wet. Both are 1,150 lbs or so.

[@bradenconway9066]

I like those old 2nd gen cummins. Im a gm duramaz guy but if i were to buy another older truck it would be a 2nd gen dodge with a cummins. I do love the old 7.3 fords as well. That being said my old 98 gmc can pretty much do the exact same thing as they could just with a 350…

[@thurmo-redneckwithapaychec2078]

What brand of bumper is on the new Ram truck? I am looking to replace my bumpers and like the look of them.

[@jdirt1982]

Aev

[@Lurch-Bot]

I had a feeling the old 12v would win on tarmac. The open diffs aren't great for offroad which is the main reason it lost the tug of war. A 2WD with Positraction (had a Caprice with LSD back in the day and I drove offroad a lot) is usually better offroad than a 4WD with open diffs. Those trucks were primarily intended for hauling/pulling heavy loads on road. You can strap a 35ft powerboat to the back and you're off to the marina. I grew up in Columbus, IN. My dad worked for Cummins. Most of my friends dads worked for Cummins. It seemed like half the pickup trucks in town had a Cummins 12v and they weren't all Dodge. My friend's dad had a Cummins swapped Silverado and there were more than a few Cummins powered Fords too. If you worked for Cummins back in the day, you could just go to the assembly line and cherry pick an engine for your swap. I bet more than a few Cummins techs and engineers actually built the motor themselves. I've always wanted to swap a Cummins 12V into a lifted Chevy Caprice with a 4WD conversion. At 270, 000 mi, that old 12v is barely broken in. Fun fact, exhaust brakes don't work on diesels without forced induction. This is why a lot of older semis had Jake brakes. Becoming rare these days because everything has a turbo and older tractors just aren't seen on the road like they used to be due to fuel economy reasons. I think it has probably been at least a decade since I heard someone use a jake brake on the road. The newer truck may be heavier but that really just makes it more dangerous in a wreck. Pickup trucks are exempt from safety regulations that apply to other vehicles. They may be heavier but they are no more crashworthy than a 30 year old truck. And the trend of pulling semi-sized loads with HD pickups is a very dangerous one, especially when it is being done on a commercial scale.

[@garysarratt1]

Who’s pulling semi-sized loads with hd pickups?

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

You can fully box the C-Channel on the old Dodge if you want to limit flex...

[@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel]

The jealousy from haters is the best evidence you we could ever ask for. RIP

[@justinsmith4095]

WHAT is going on with the loud bang/ting noise on the new whip in the trenches!?

[@brandonstewart7145]

Excellent video gent's, but what the heck is that noise from the newer Cummins going up trenches 🤔😯🤨😧

[@cotrevor1]

You need to compound that 12-valve Cummins then run the two through the power test..

[@CadorSeeliger]

Fella in the 5 speed. The 12v pulls harder in the lower rpms. Try shifting a couple seconds after the boost pegs or 2200 2300 and let the torque do it's thing. The 6 speed trick was to shift as fast as you could. The boost will handle the rest.

[@bldontmatter5319]

Yeah but he's modded it for higher boost in higher roms

[@CadorSeeliger]

@@bldontmatter5319 higher rpms is not the Cummins game.. especially mostly stock..

[@SIRLALDROID]

Nice truck Kase! What ever happened to the old 7.3 you guys had?

[@fishingwithdj2844]

That’s wild because my 98.5 2500 is 2wd but have lockers in the rear. I figured all 4wds would come with lockers in rear. I could cross some things better than him 2wd😯

[@ColJonSquall1]

Always good to see Kase's Dodge Cummins on the channel, and yeah, it makes the better sound, it sounds like a Semi. The newer Ram has a nice, throaty sound, but it sounds like a passenger vehicle, not a work truck, lol.

[@robervin9107]

Logs was absolutely hilarious. 😂. I cried laughing. Kase was so scared he hit the high note. 😂. Classic kase. Both of you were facetious as ever I love it. 😂 Meanwhile Alex. Is watching everything. Trying not to laugh his butt off while holding the camera Straight

[@bradenconway9066]

My 86 k20 can do all of this and then some with limited slip rear end factory and a good old 4 speed manual. That old truck will go through anything even on factory tires and suspension

[@northwestrider369]

I am 30 seconds in. But I predict the new truck. I know tires matter a lot, but the new truck is also heavier and probably has a lower gear ratio in 1st gear since it has more gears overall. So I predict in this case the new one wins.

[@TheBostonstapler]

whats up with all that fake spam comments ? lol great video once again!

[@kylethestyle]

Did Tommy just say the 90s was before he and Kase were born? I feel old...

[@radspencer3584]

He’s 27 or 28, so no.

[@richardnottelmann58]

Same here 😂❤

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

Idk how this is gonna end.. but wise to dictate newer trucks are substantially heavier than older trucks were.. that matters a lot along with tire choice..

[@ChrisWehadababyitsaboy]

Ya'll needed that 24 valve cummins in the 99 ram for this test, that is the superior diesel for the 2nd gen

[@garysarratt1]

They don’t have one.

[@moparjr89]

no its not. the 12 valve is best because its simple. that truck being a 12 valve with a manual means theres next to nothing for computers to kill it. it just needs fuel and a couple of wires to start and keep it running

[@ChrisWehadababyitsaboy]

@@moparjr89 superior meaning performance wise.

[@bmclemore8203]

I agree. The vp44 injection pump was actually pretty reliable if you paid attention to your trucks needs. I absolutely love my 99. It's laying down over 400hp to the ground reliably. Unfortunately, it's awaiting a new block. It has the infamous 53 block, but it lasted 300k.

[@daveconklin1319]

Powerstroke super duty comparison please. I have an early 03. CC flatbed 4x4 auto with the 7.3. 302k on clock and purrs like a kitten

[@mbrbb77]

Old is gold

[@kudaz4433]

JUST WHAT GRANDMA ORDERED 👍

[@devinromberger8746]

Cool video! Just curious what setup do you use to keep your steering tight on your second gen? I have the PSC steering box but definitely need a new trac bar. Im hoping that’s my issue.

[@adv.013]

Are you guys or have you guys did the emissions recall with the Trailhound?

[@geovanisjorge1014]

I know it’s no contest, but does the 94 need some new tires? They looked to me like they were a little worn out in the center. Or maybe they were just caked in mud.

[@entronics]

It'd be cool video idea to see if you can make the truck better than the new one with upgrades.

[@lastresort1757]

I wanna know what steering upgrade kit/parts kace used because my 2nd v10 is beyond sloppy and I’m looking for recommendations

[@JesseMcDMusic]

I would like to see a comparably modded Ford OBS with Chases Cummins.

[@andrewb5415]

Looks, manual transmission, and NO emissions…94 is the winner here 🙂

[@icebear4849]

Anything before emissions are better than anything new

[@txfarmer1208]

remember one truck ain't deleted and tuned!!!!!

[@theramquest4advanture.]

I have a '97 Ram 1500 with a 360 V8 auto with 302,200 miles on it so far. It's a 2wd and it rides just as good as a new one after I put new shocks on it after 27 years. It does need A frame bushings but still rides smoothly down the road. I think they may have been talking about the 2wd on the ride because mine rides good after all the miles and years.

[@theramquest4advanture.]

My original trans has 302,200 on it so far, if you take care of them they will last! By putting an external trans cooler on it and changing the trans fluid regularly and they will last! The radiator trans cooler isn't enough to keep the trans fluid cool enough, so by putting an external trans cooler on them that keeps the trans fluid cool enough.

[@theramquest4advanture.]

For the auto trans.

[@garysarratt1]

But you replaced parts. Of course it rides well.

[@theramquest4advanture.]

@@garysarratt1 the only things I've changed is one upper ball joint, pitman arm, and the shocks so far. It's a long bed so that might help with the ride, but it does ride good for it's age and so many miles.

[@MechanicalMercenary]

37:40 wranglerstar reference

[@Legendary-2024]

Hey tfl classics can you do a tug of war on pavement instead of dirt?

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

gen 1 or gen 2 Manuel l 4x4 8' box single cab and the pure diesel sound

[@CZ-kz7ug]

The only thing better about the 2nd gen is price and no epa piss tank. I have a 2nd gen. And have driven many new trucks at work. Newer trucks ride better, actually drive straight, better brakes, way higher payload, higher towing capacity, and more power. All trucks have to be purchased new at some point to be purchased cheap used.

[@JWJTRAINOR]

lol the older one has a starter from its V8 counterpart 15:23

[@danielmartin3344]

I had my volume up all the way still couldn’t hear the newer Cummins lol

[@Gladiatorguy1998]

I’ll take the 5.9.

[@Eremon1]

I'd take the 12v second gen any day over the brand new rolling ewaste.

[@ThetreeDraggon]

I think am gonna go for the $15.000 dollar at most truck that's been proven to be more reliable now, way before the hard to work on $120.000 dollar one that would probably never even move from the driveway. That and who the hell has a $120 grand and over nowadays to spend on a truck unless your just rich. 🤣👍

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

What one starts (AND RUNS) in zero degree weather?

[@Dankcatvacs]

cases truck all the way unless you got a first gen but i havent rode in a cummins just a 3 quarter ton gaser

[@Nickdrivesatnight]

12valve is tried and true, I’ll still opted for the 12valve. No emission stuff to maintenance, not much computers.. Brake system probably won’t fail like the millions of recalls ..

[@hahaadventures4838]

I ended up going 6.4 Hemi 4.10 gears because the Cummins seemed so gutless in comparison! Very surprised at how weak the Cummins are!!!

[@GregariousAntithesis]

Looks like west colo

[@thomasbambrick1162]

The '94 is obviously the better truck because it doesn't have all the computer tech that makes modern vehicles trash!

[@andrewb5415]

94 wins for noise

[@infernoking7504]

That's not fair that new dodge has weight on its side and more torque and hp.

[@ribbit1964]

Better? Both win! Neither $100k, both do trucky things, neither hybrid, neither electric - win win!

[@David-zc9xl]

Should have found an old truck with upgraded torque rating. 1000 ft lbs on the new truck. No comparison bud.

[@zachariahc.winters4798]

Old Trucks Rule and New Trucks Drool. Men prefer old trucks.

[@codyweber4633]

Why not add weight to the old Ram to even it up

[@Fishinguy962]

Tommy talking about his low manly voice meanwhile he sounds like a cartoon character 😂

[@robertchapman4488]

Sorry, inflation or no inflation the truck prices are extremely out of hand.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

Haven't seen david in a while is he still working with TFL?

[@TFLclassics]

Yes, he took the summer off to help Andre V8 swap his Bohanka.

[@robsnodgrass915]

That 6.7 automatic trans is brand new crap, and now you toasted it

[@2def2nv]

I'm not even much into truck or car content, but Kase is so unbelievably handsome here I am again

[@roadglide1142]

The second Gen will just be getting broken in at One Million Miles. The New one will be needing god knows what?

[@garysarratt1]

One million miles? 🤨🤨🤨

[@omarperez7688]

12V way better, more durable and reliable that the new ones

[@chriszaiser]

Dodge vs Dodge this should be like watching paint dry or watching Dodges rust

[@dounavenpreston2944]

A tug of war doesn’t prove a truck is better than another one of just proves who lost traction