VW vs Mini vs Fiat vs Citroen: Drag Race, Braking Test, & Top Speed Run!

[@chrisgill7824]

Not really a fair fight with that Mini Cooper, it's like bringing an AMG Merc to compete with every day cars since it was the hot version of the car with some actual racing pedigree behind it too. It should have been an 850cc Austin Mini instead.

[@bernarddsilva6322]

and a 1200cc VW Bettle not the 1600cc

[@graemew7001]

I agree with both of your choices here as this is exactly what I was thinking before I've even watched the video. They were all available in the mid 60's so should have been the base model in each range of that time. It would have made this video harder to make but would have been more fair.

[@Englishsea24]

Should have been the slowest of each model first, then the fastest of each. If they could find the cars to take part that is. Most are pretty rare now

[@C10sRule]

Why don’t all of you go ahead and each buy the exact cars you want. IF you find those exact 4, give TFL a call and I’m sure they will do the races again! Sometimes you have to make do with what you have,,, unless of course you have unlimited funds. I have just over $1 million dollars Canadian to buy and sell vehicles I specifically like. I have had that kind of money available for the last 12 years and I STILL don’t have the perfect collection I want within that budget. This was all about fun.

[@europainvicta3907]

And an Abarth 500

[@Shahabbi]

The 2CV looked so stable when doing the top speed. It didn’t look like it was moving. That suspension is insane!

[@arjanvanraaij8440]

Its verry soft its verry you can't feel what the car is doeing. the spring of the front wheel is shared with the rear wheel.

[@cafn8ed74]

I saw one being autocrossed once. If you think the straight line compliance was insane, you should see the body movements during fast transitions. I don't know how the thing stayed on its wheels. 🤣

[@Munkenba]

I drive one of these daily and I've gotta say its highway performance is really its secret weapon, as unlikely as that sounds. The top speed is between 70-75 for a healthy one, mine sometimes touches 80, but it's more the fact that you can redline the nuts off of that engine for literally the full time it takes to empty a tank and more, and it never so much as sputters. I find with many other classic cars that you have to treat them with a more sympathetic touch, but the 2cv almost begs to be abused.

[@wizzweb]

@@Munkenba I had two them and I agree, very chuckable too. At the traffic lights if you sit with the engine revving ready to go, the large flywheel and light weight of the car gives an impressive 0-30mph, of course after that other cars catch up and overtake you, but they are immense fun

[@cafn8ed74]

@@Munkenba I have a beetle with a 1600 dual port, and I've been told that for engine longevity it's best to keep it around 60mph or less while cruising, so maybe it comes down to gearing. You're talking about mph, right?

[@lesalbro8880]

Try driving each of those cars through plowed fields carrying a basket of eggs, and then we'll see which one really wins.

[@inspectator9384]

The 2 CV.

[@wpb1395]

In that race, a 2CV beats a Veyron and probably every SUV.

[@MaartenvanHeek]

I think the braking was not full on for the 2CV, he went from a nosedive to pretty flat at the end.

[@edukano85]

Definitely not the mini. That thing has really hard suspension, especially with old worn rubber cones (instead of springs)

[@zerooneonetwothree1872]

@@wpb1395 Veyron? You must be a guy that still asks "but will it run crysis?" xD

[@MroStudios]

it's important to remember that the WV beatle costed almost 3 times the fiat 500 and the double of the 2 CV. The Mini was also very expensive compared to the 500.

[@AngelHernandez-ls5wr]

Beetle.

[@JohnnyFilpo]

What is more important than the prices, that there were 2 Germany after WW2. So this comparison misses East Germanys people's car, the Trabant.

[@Runoratsu]

@@AngelHernandez-ls5wr Käfer.

[@blakcrowfr3856]

Also the Mini is from the 60's, and the 3 other are from the 30's - 40's

[@arnoldhau1]

But it a design from the 1930s....

[@gabrielv.4358]

Now THIS is some quality content!! Who cares about supercars? I want to see common everyday cars on a drag race and top speed test. These are the real fun! And most people can afford too. Great!

[@pogo1140]

A slow car driven fast is a lot more fun than a fast car driven slowly, and a mini feels fast at 45mph.

[@Advancedkid]

Totally unfair. The standard VW displacement is 1300, the standard Mini was either 850/1000. You should've considered the Renault 4 and either Fiat 600 or 850 sedans for a fair comparison 4 cylinder engines that were equally as popular in their respective countries as the 2CV or the 500!

[@donkeymarco]

The Citroen 2CV in the video is from the '70, 602 cc and 28 HP. The 1948 375 cc had 8.9 HP. In 1954 was introduced the 425 cc engine with initially 12 HP that become 12.5 in 1960, 13.5 in 1961 and 18 HP in 1963. In 1970 arrived the 435 cc with about 26 HP. 2C Sahara (1960-1963) and than 2 CV 4x4 (1963-1966) had a double 425 cc engine, one engine was in the front and another in the rear.

[@TFLclassics]

it’s a 1982

[@gaborcsuzdi7006]

Yup, the only model year the yellow-black color combination was offered on the Charleston. (As such, original yellow Charlestons are among the rare ones).

[@michaeltutty1540]

There was also a 652cc engine that meant a 2CV named Ellie was able to drive from the wilds of Wales to Eastern Europe somewhat safely. Hubnut has owned Ellie for; very 20 years now

[@donkeymarco]

@@michaeltutty1540 If I remeber well the 652 cc was not an engine used oficially by Citroen in the 2CV, but was swap after production.

[@Willy-qd9qu]

@@donkeymarco Yes, these engines came from Visa or LN.

[@cwsill]

The slowest drag race ever, and yet the most fun!! Great job, y'all!!

[@poplaurentiu4148]

These cars are made in Europe.. it would be nice to see similar race between smallest cars from US from same period or Asian market kei cars..

[@Stopbeingfoolish]

Donkey derby!

[@paulqueripel3493]

CarWow just did a 3 wheeler drag race, some were even slower.

[@andrefixa]

Bro it's so unfair, at least use the fiat 850, not the 500...

[@rajbirdey4748]

😮😮

[@BlueRidgeRider]

What a fun time! You and a few other KZbinrs convinced me to buy a 2CV. I got it this week😊

[@NaCHoeNFoRCeR]

En mi familia tuvimos un Citroën 2CV y con él aprendí a conducir, con unos 8 años de edad. ¡Que buenos recuerdos! (Las puertas delanteras del 2CV eran "suicidas"). Greetings from Argentina!

[@johnsergei]

It's on par with the 2CV for price & performamce.

[@murrieteacher]

As a 78 year old, I remember the low horsepower figures and the zero to 100klm/h times in the mid 20 second rage. I had a Lotus Cortina Mk1 with an astounding 100 HP and a top speed of 105MPH and a 0 to 60 MPH in the high 12 second mark. I also remember big block V8's with less than 160HP. Until cars were fitted with disk brakes we raced with NO brakes after the 2nd lap. The increase in HP, the 0 to 60 MPH and the quarter mile times have changed so much. We now have family sedans that can run track times that are equivalent to 1950's formula 1 cars.

[@thephilpott2194]

Predictable but looked like good fun. The early mini came as 850cc, 1ltr and 1.3ltr. The 1.3 is fairly quick as you see, but they all benefitted from going round corners better than most of the competition.

[@antman5474]

Still do.

[@matts1166]

While the VW isn't quite as good in any category on the track it does have advantages. Compared to the Mini it was a bit more reliable and much easier to work on. In addition, if you ever wanted to go hog-wild on upgrades the VW was the way to go with the larger aftermarket support.

[@adrianharrison5208]

@@matts1166 after owning and modified both mini and the Beetle the Mini has a huge Range of modifications you can buy for it, far more than the Beetle. Q

[@Chapps1941]

@@adrianharrison5208 VW has a far bigger range of mods. America alone has heaps of them

[@adrianharrison5208]

@@Chapps1941 it's a big world out there past American and there are far more parts out for that mini than there will ever be for that VW Bug

[@nickgarciaman]

I own a Citroën 2CV just like this one except my Charleston is Burgundy and Black. I drive it on the freeways all the time and it will easily cruise around at 72mph on level roads without a problem. Performance wise, it’s not the fastest but technologically speaking, it was ahead of it’s time. Front wheel drive, four wheel independent suspension, simultaneously firing cylinders to avoid a distributor, four doors for easy access to the back seats, and a convertible. I’ve driven all four test vehicles (owned three of them) and by far the Citroën is the most fun to drive and own.

[@yissibiiyte]

The battle of the literal "Volkswagens"

[@chaostoasty]

Hah good one

[@mr1910sguy]

bugged

[@fastinradfordable]

It would be more fair with a non convertible beetle They’re significantly heavier.

[@1DEADBEEF1]

Mini cooper is a sports car developed by mr Cooper himself - they shoulda tested the original mini morris 800cc engine

[@mowogfpv7582]

​@@1DEADBEEF1 this is a 1990s injection cooper. Nice model but far from a sports car. And a long way from a '60s S.

[@giuseppe4909]

When I was younger, it was all about going fast as possible…now that I’m older, it’s all about driving fun and enjoyment… all these cars at least look like fun.

[@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles]

You guys seriously brought a Fiat 500 to this? That's a competitor to the BMW Isetta. The Fiat 600 is the competitor to the cars here. Not to mention that the Mini it's exactly the low end version it's closer to a 600 Abarth.

[@TFLclassics]

Not exactly easy to find ANY fiat 500/600 in the states let alone a 2CV and Mini at the same time…

[@hiena8511]

@@TFLclassics if you come to spain heres a avaiable seat 600(under fiat liscense) to test

[@Nickos1b]

My dad bought a Mini in the early 70's when our family car was a "big" Ford Taunus. So cute and peppy it quickly became the car of choice. I have two memories with it. First my mom complaining about it being slower one day and then realising she was driving with the handbrake on 😀. The second from 1974 when we got a call that grandpa was dying and dad taking off with the Mini to get to him faster!

[@sharonsnail2954]

Had a 2CV in the UK in the late 80s. Used to get 65mph driving around the Home Counties to business meetings. Got lots of positive comments when parking in the various corporate car parks. The mini in the comparison is a ringer.

[@cazo8671]

Why is it a ringer? Looks like a a typical mid 90s SPi to me.

[@Pesmog]

"Big block" 2CV. I nearly spat my coffee at that comment. The original mini alway was a better car than many would believe. You can be 6'3" and still drive them okay as somehow they are designed so that you just wrap yourself around the controls. Its a shame that they didn't do a handling test as a 2CV cornering really hard is a sight to behold. If you have never driven an original Mini they are probably the closest car to a Go-kart to drive and so they corner very well.

[@TristouMTL]

Ok, you guys are having just too much fun making these videos! It's infectious.

[@dvs3308]

Very nice test. You guys must have had a lot of fun!! I have owned a Beetle, 2 500's and several 2CV6's. I think something is not right with the 500 and the 2CV in this test. All my 2CV's reached around 72mph and the 500's around 60 mph

[@deanosaur808]

They ran out of road before they could reach top speed 😉

[@yannickm2684]

Sometimes it’s soooo true 😀

[@stellaa1328]

I really like that little Fiat tho, all of these cars are great but that Fiat I love it LOL

[@CptnGloomy]

Americans when comparing cars: straight line

[@Mojova1]

Also always saying that normal European cars are small (these are) and not realizing that their "cars" are ridiculously huge.

[@M1T1C0]

and using miles, foots, inches, arms, toes, noses and teeth to measure distances

[@dalejones4322]

These drag race videos are always such fun to watch. Great job guys. Tfl classics is my favorite channel.

[@RotesKleid411]

Wow, ein amerikanischer Sportwagen aus den 80er Jahren gewinnt gegen europäische Brot und Butter Autos aus den 60er Jahren! Sehr mutig von euch, diese Herausforderung anzunehmen. Wow, an American sports car from the 80s wins against European bread and butter cars from the 60s! Very brave of you to accept this challenge I'm very proud to you to handle the clutch. lol

[@crashbox7130]

The guy driving the 2CV must have been tickling the throttle and brake pedals. The disc-braked cars aren't fitted with a servo so are not 'powered', otherwise the car would be over-braked for its weight and performance. He could have rev'ed the engine beyond the red markers on the speedo to eek out some extra performance. Those engines are very rev-happy. My 1989 2CV is less than 400 miles off 275,000 miles and still going strong at max-plus revs. I have managed a GPS max speed of 83.3mph, which is a decent percentage increase over Citroen's official maximum of 71mph.

[@flaviofortese6539]

This video is amazing ! I like very much your passion and creativity! As an Italian I love our 500 even if it isn't so performant, we need to remember that it was created for '60 italian roads. Greetings from Italy! Flavio.

[@pablojones5613]

I have seen 85 mph indicated in a stock 1600 beetle, and a similar speed in a 998cc mini. The mini at that speed was absolutely terrifying!🤣

[@trevorjones3275]

SAME HIT 90 ONCE, THEN THE MOTOR BLEW...OPPS

[@hunchanchoc8418]

According to a following car's speedometer, I got my 2cv to 85 mph, slight downhill, slight tailwind.

[@mathsunmasked56]

My 1310 cc mini topped out at 100mph....what was more terrifying was trying to stop it with 4wheel drum brakes! A set of front discs would have costed more than the car...so that never happened.

[@TalkieToaster.]

My 998cc City E would go off the clock at 90, stuck a spicy 1340cc A+ in it and found myself doing 120+ Blew the gearbox in the end and sold it, wish I'd hung on to it.

[@TalkieToaster.]

@@mathsunmasked56 all you had to do was get the hubs etc from a later 80's model, or metro etc. Standard equipment for the front.

[@NenadTrajkovic]

I can't shake the impression that guys don't know how to change gears on a manual transmission.... Greetings from the EU🇪🇺

[@kingalfred3902]

Its not an impression ....it is a joke ...!!!!......They are too busy trying to act funny ..!!!

[@ClaudeSac]

And 'pumping the brakes' ... seriously?

[@Trusteft]

During my lifetime I have been in all of these 4 cars (never been in a Corvette) and I was definitely not surprised the performance trophy went to the Mini. Having said that, the most fun ride for me was and still is the 2CV. It's unbelievably fun, especially inside European cities. It feels like a rally car combined with a F1, even though obviously not as fast as either. The awesome fun suspension helps too. AND it is the most comfortable car of the 4 AND the easiest to get into/out of. For me it is the clear winner.

[@trevork8925]

This is so much fun, you need to do the field egg test in all cars, plus how many people you can fit in each car, fuel economy, long road trips, etc.......

[@JeffBreyer]

I could tell you guys were having a great time out there. Was great to see. Keep it up. TFLClassics has become something I look forward to.

[@inakinahuelsantosangel3460]

I'm 21 and learned to drive with a '71 3cv, it's my first car and daily drive here in the streets of Buenos Aires, Argentina. The most comfortable car I've ever known, both on the highway going at 75 km/h and on the lunar surface like streets of Greater Buenos Aires. It has better fuel efficiency than many modern cars. It's very reliable if you know how to take basic care of your car and if something brakes you can fix it at home with manual tools and wire. I've made various long distance trips around the immensely diverse geography of Argentina and it performed just great. The best part is that everyone loves the car, it can generate sympathy with people who never liked cars, petrolheads, young and old.

[@eduardosantabaya5348]

Aguante el 3cv, autazo por donde lo mires

[@Cruisinjohn316]

These are the best kind of videos! I've ridden in a few older bettles and they always seemed so small but for some reason it looks huge compared to those other cars!

[@alanmalan3819]

Germany need isseta for real test

[@bouncingshot]

Yeah I couldn't even imagine trying to hop in the back of a beetle, let alone a 500 or a cooper lol

[@Mr.Mølbach]

"I stayed in third".... Why on earth did you not use the fourth? It will absolutely run up to a 125 km/h.. 2CV is the toughest car ever. Kindest regards Jesper of Denmark 🇩🇰😎🇩🇰

[@tots16]

I love seeing cars like this throwdown! This was an excellent video, and very entertaining!

[@Gwestytears]

Idk how people back then got away with putting an expresso machine motor in a car but here we are

[@scottyellis3442]

This reminds me of the time I owned a 1984 Isuzu pup with the 2.2 diesel non-turbo. Top speed on it was 55 & it took 3 miles to get it there. Great entertaining video. 👍🏻👍🏻😁

[@fastinradfordable]

Funny my 1.9 mTDI vw rabbit pickup can do 0-60 in 8 seconds And Top speeds 135mph with the longer 5th gear. Oh and the engines rated at 54mpg in a car that weighs 800lbs more than the rabbit.

[@scottyellis3442]

@@fastinradfordable if my Isuzu was like that I would still have it, mine was suppose to have gotten really good mpg but the best I got from it was around 30mpg & mine was also a automatic, I wish it had a 5 speed manual that probably would've helped. "& a turbo definitely would've helped.

[@rodcros]

On a long highway run my stock '73 Beetle could get up to 100 mph and sustain it with the help of the right hills to get the revs up. The engine would run cool enough to touch after several hours of that treatment.

[@andrewdrabble8939]

Being British myself, I was cheering on the Mini. It's just like a little go cart. Nimble, quick and so chuckable if driven properly. I knew it would win the drag race and the speed test

[@bassicuk1986]

The British always wins!

[@DLF_24]

@@bassicuk1986 and now it’s German haha

[@jaysmith2858]

@@DLF_24 Most British things that were seen as being quintessentially British are no longer British owned, or indeed 'British' at all. A trend that is unfortunately continuing on a daily basis.

[@chrisc.9627]

I assume you meant German always win? the Beetle was and still is German and has even been resurrected twice. the Italian and the French now belong to the same group whose capital is still Franco-Italian. Please don't talk to me about Chrysler-Jeep, after being folded by Americans and then Germans it didn't have much to put in Stellantis. All the models that succeed them today will be on French PSA technology. BMW has for a very long time transferred a good part of the Mini's production to Eastern Europe, and after the calamitous management/manufacturing of British Layland and its abandonment by Maggie, it was anyway destined to be either Japanese (Honda ) either German (Bmw) or maybe Chinese as MG. Sorry to question your slightly exaggerated patriotism.

[@deanosaur808]

@tilmansollner8509 that German mini is a BMW mini. You can keep it! 🤣

[@scottalston8670]

Love this video. Even though they are far slower than modern day anything. The fun you guys had was priceless…pure smiles.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

Keep this series going as long as possible. I think you will find that this will get many views and prove really popular, and will be well worth it in ad revenue and the like. I think that this should be really an excellent comparison between a number of truly iconic economy cars of a common era. You really need to sort out engine issues with the Fiat 500. It should not be so difficult to start it, seeing as how Fiats were the car of choice for Eastern Block Communist Countries to copy, including the Soviets with the Lada and the Poles with the Polski Fiat, and even the Yugoslavs with the Zastava Koral (known in the US as the Yugo).

[@Fetguf]

They did not copy the 500, but the 124.

[@Mr_Roboto]

Gotta use the hammer included in the toolkit to get it going

[@unconventionalideas5683]

@@FetgufBut that was a very similar engine, if not identical for awhile.

[@ianbrown9082]

To be fair to the Beetle, you brought a 1302 cabrio which was crazy heavy (around 160kg/350lb) heavier than all the regular Beetles out there

[@flatheadV8]

Really enjoyed the video. These cars were main stream transport for many people in their respective countries and are full of character. If you were told that you could only drive one over a summer and no other vehicle which one would you choose, and would it be the same one if you could only own one with the use of other cars allowed. Not decrying the test, but a Mini 850cc and a VW 1200cc would bring the results closer.

[@mowogfpv7582]

Kinda... It's a 90s mpi Cooper so it's a much lower state of tune than a sixties S as well as having lower gearing and being a lot heavier. Performance wise it will be somewhere near a 60s 998 cooper. But bear in mind that by the time the MPI happened "cooper" was no longer really a performance badge. The base model SPI mayfair had the same engine as the SPI Cooper and then when the MPI emerged the mayfair was dropped and the Cooper effectively became the base model. As a mini guy I wouldn't really consider this one a hot mini. Lovely car but not really up there with the fast ones.

[@Iansea1967]

@@mowogfpv7582 very valid points apart from the fact that it’s higher geared not lower.

[@mowogfpv7582]

@@Iansea1967 ha! Fair point. I'm never going to stop making that mistake though.

[@gabrielv.4358]

1300's beetle would have been the best I guess

[@chrisc.9627]

The French have called to complain and demand another test with a Clio Williams, concerning the Italians they ask for a new comparison with a Fiat 500 Abarth from 2018!

[@dancycles2079]

Great bunch of people. So humble & entertaining. I'm tired of seeing new cars, this is the place to be !

[@charlesc.9012]

That is unfair, the MINI Cooper is equivalent to a Golf GTI racing against Priusus. The British peoples' car is an Austin 7, because British industry was already there in the 30s.

[@michaeltutty1540]

A Mini 1000 would have been appropriate. They needed two more English cars. A Morris Minor 1000 and a Hillman Imp from Rootes Group. Just for fun. The Imp was rear engined.

[@mowogfpv7582]

@@michaeltutty1540 a 1990s MPI doesn't have that much over a 1000. 63 bhp but heavier and with a much taller final drive. A 998 Cooper would probably blow it away over a quarter mile.

[@charlesc.9012]

@@michaeltutty1540 The Morris Minor, for sure. The Austin A30 is also an icon, and quite successful in motorsport. Both of them have horsepower values in the mid-30s, they will still be a force to be reckoned with

[@-triumphgt667]

@@charlesc.9012 I have a Morris Minor - the Traveller with the wooden rear. I have had it to 70 - down hill - but about 50mph is about comfortable. It doesn't really accelerate just gradually seems to get faster - slowly. I have had disc brakes and telescopic dampers fitted though. Actually stops and handles - well a bit.

[@marcdefremont9296]

The 2cv was my first car bought used in 1982. It was a 1974 model 2cv6 and it had about 86 000 kms. I was able to reach 105 kms/h but once driving North on the motorway in the Rhône Valley I couldn t go above 80 kms /h because of the Mistral wind blowing south so I got off the motorway to take side roads as paying toll not to go faster was ridiculous. But it was a great car and quite amazed my US friends when I took them to the Gorges du Verdon in Provence. I doubled the mileage in the 4 years I owned it and went twice from Provence to the south of England.

[@-DC-]

The 2CV is a masterpiece of mechanical engineering, A car from the 30's still on sale into the late 80's early 90's.

[@HIDHIFDB]

The Beetle was sold until 2004

[@tonzelle2720]

@@HIDHIFDB But is it a masterpiece of engineering, like the 2cv...

[@fabienpichard]

I had a Mini, 2cv and Bug, awesome cars, the mini was by far the most fun car of them

[@maxkendal5152]

Either altitude has taken its toll or you've got some very sick cars. Both my tin snails could keep up with UK motorway traffic, and I got one speedo off the clock in Belgium on the flat. Loved the idea of racing them!

[@Bruehoyt]

I was thinking the same. I have a 1600 convertible beetle. With a completely stock drive train it far outperforms these speed tests. -Though I still thoroughly enjoyed the video.

[@michaelconverse5127]

Agreed or they can’t really drive …they ran something like an 18 second 1/4 mile in a 944 recently.

[@TFLclassics]

Definitely altitude. All four cars are freshly serviced

[@hunchanchoc8418]

According to a following car's speedometer, I got my 2cv to 85 mph, slight downhill, slight tailwind.

[@doctorsatansrobot]

Yeah. I've cruised a vw beetle on the motorway at 80mph quite a few times. Even got a 1974 1600 type 2 up to 140kph on the clock.

[@themotorcyclehistorian8099]

I wonder how a Trabant would have faired against these :)

[@abelq8008]

It would definitely win in the quirks competition.

[@adrianarnold8554]

Getting raised arm hairs at 75mph in a 1275cc Mini? I used to get my 998cc Mini to 90mph!!

[@ethelmini]

Mine went to E.

[@perkinscrane]

They didn’t ever test the most important advantage the Mini had over its competitors. That is/was road holding.

[@GeoD7788]

Legend has it, Tommy hasn't yet reached the finish line.... I love these videos!

[@risby1930]

That is one very tired beetle, it hasn't had 60 hp for a long time. Enjoy the channel.

[@kyledavis4890]

Indeed, my stock super back in the day got closer to an et of 20 in the quarter mile. You guys obliquely mentioned the altitude, but you didn't mention if any of the classic cars had their carbs sorted out with high altitude jets or not.

[@01trsmar]

Beetles ran 25 seconds to 60 at sea level...This wa s1 mile high and that beetle has a mildly built engine!

[@gabrielv.4358]

Or he wasnt revving the beans of it

[@thomasschafer7268]

Never had 60. 44 or 50.

[@Zaky28_09]

It's different is the 2cv is made in 40' his top speed is 50-60km/h and more 90km/h if the car is made in the 80' (yes the 2cv was made during 40 years)

[@eduardosantabaya5348]

114 km/h top speed for 2cv6, 65 km/h for the 2cv A 375cc

[@gaborcsuzdi7006]

In all fairness the Mini is a Cooper. 🤷‍♂

[@siraff4461]

Yes but the Beetle is the 1600 and the other two are also up-engine'd. If you want the 850 Mini thats fine but then it competes with the lowest powered versions of the others too. So thats a 9hp Citroen, a 25hp VW and a 22hp Fiat against a 34hp Mini.

[@gaborcsuzdi7006]

@@siraff4461 There is a huge difference between "up-engined" and performance spec.

[@siraff4461]

@@gaborcsuzdi7006 Yet the difference would be larger if they used the lower spec cars...

[@ethelmini]

@@gaborcsuzdi7006 The Mini's not performance spec. It was a Jap export model with air con and over geared for less noise & economy..

[@briandawkins984]

Yes this isn’t really a true cooper. But a better choice would have been a classic mini 1000

[@hyperboytkl1077]

My little sister loves the intro of your video and the little red fiat!

[@elQuestionare]

WHERE IS THE TRABBI ????

[@KrazyMitchAdventures]

The 1275 Cooper was NOT the peoples car.. The Morris or the Austin Mini 1000, with the 998 cc engine was England's "Peoples car" and the 1970 VW BUG was running the 1600cc @ 58 horsepower, BUT to call yourself a Peoples Car, you should have been in a mid 60's bug with a 1300 cc 50 ho engine. My 1967 VW bug, running a 1600 Dual port in 1970 at Mission Speedway in Misson BC, Canada was running the 1/4 mile with 310 hp, in high 10s and low 11s.

[@mattkinsella9856]

Something is very wrong with that mini if it's not doing well over 60mph in 23 seconds.

[@kyledavis4890]

And the vw. I think they didn't have the right jets in their carbs for their altitude.

[@EpsilonHunters]

Oui, mais seule la deudeuche est capable de rouler dans un champ de patates sans casser un seul oeuf placé dans un panier sur le siège arrière, grâce à son fantastique système de suspension ! Elle était également immortelle, Vive le France!!!

[@srfrg9707]

The 2CV was designed as an off road car though.

[@paularmson4633]

In a contest of peoples’s cars, the mini should have been an 850 or 998 engine. These were the standard sizes. I say this as a Mini driver and serious Mini fan.

[@stevevice9863]

I would like to see a drag race between a bicycle and the Fiat 500. That would be a close race.

[@sjgerber]

You should have used Abarth Fiat 500...or used the base verion of the mini and the VW

[@RyansuBike]

Hopefully you'll do some useful tests like fuel efficiency, cargo capacity, etc.

[@no1DdC]

Slalom would be interesting, especially with the Beetle and the 2CV.

[@siraff4461]

I would like to see that too - the only problem being these cars will be very sensitive to set up and if one is even slightly out it will eat a lot more fuel for the same amount of work. The Mini should be the most fuel efficient but cargo wise you would have to think the 2CV should take it. Ease of entry might be a good one too. Getting into the back of a 2CV or Beetle is a lot easier than the Mini or Fiat.

[@netwolff]

Why? No one in their right mind expects anything resembling usefulness out of those today. They’re cult cars, collector cars, enthusiast cars.

[@siraff4461]

@@netwolff They were all designed to mobilise the masses. As such they were all designed with maximum practicality against price. For instance the Citroen was sold on its ride and ability over less than ideal French roads, the Mini was sold on its fuel economy and ability to seat a family (at the time the average people were smaller and it was two adults, two children), the Beetle was designed to sit on the new Autobahns and take a family on holiday at the new facilities and the Fiat was designed to replace a Vespa scooter. The point is none were designed for speed tests so their ability to do a job and their price are arguably much more important.

[@netwolff]

@@siraff4461 I know, I’ve seen a lot them, they were everywhere here. Still, with today’s standards none of them is even remotely practical.

[@michaelkulman7095]

This was a fun way to see some classic small cars side by side. One thing to note though is that some of these cars had different mission statements which they met pretty well and 1/4 mile times wasn't one of them but top speed admittedly was for the Beetle for example, meant to be able to use the new Autobahn and that's one reason why it's a more substantial car than the Fiat or Citroen. It also cost more. Speed costs money. While fun all these tests ignore price when new and gas mileage which is why people bought them and the manufacturers made them. The philosophy of design matched the philosophy of use at the time and still has a largely unmet niche that could be filled today but probably won't be. Appropriate technology may have advantages over high technology and applicability even today if people really thought about it.

[@DutchDukeMan]

I had a Mini myself and i did 100mph once going downhill. was really scary when i had to hit the brakes

[@brandonpollard8928]

I did 140 mph in a 2022 my sister told my Mom and she was pissed

[@v_stands_for_value124]

I have an Autobianchi A112 Abarth that would like to spank the Mini, that would be a fair race

[@TheJetJONES]

That Mini is a MONSTER 😳

[@stevekenilworth]

it did bit rally in it day and did very well, mates got car and estate van one he restored to new condition and 85mph on back road inches from the road a load fun and surprisingly stable the ride was great too on bad roads. very good city city car and these days a lot money

[@manuelcamacho1898]

These cars were designed for European roads. You should try testing them in curves. They were cars designed for city use. A parking test would have been fun! Great video!!!

[@deanosaur808]

The video was designed for fun. You should try... 🤣🤣🤣

[@barryphillips7327]

I would say of the four the Mini has the advantage being a Cooper, next being the VW having a reasonable size engine, the 2CV and Fiat 500 have small engine 2 cylinders around 500cc each so they are at a disadvantage but both are quite light weight cars

[@adrianharrison5208]

Cooper only in name, they are no faster or quicker than any other mini of the time being one of the rover made minis

[@inakinahuelsantosangel3460]

The 500 had nothing to do there, a fiat 125 would be a better match for the beatle. The 2cv would have a better top speed if they shifted to 4th gear it still accelerates, but a better match would have been a 3cv or an ami series those can hold 75 km/h on the highway. I have a 3cv and the fastest I've been on a flat straight line was (by gps) 87 km/h.

[@ColinMill1]

Why are Americans obsessed with tests that don't involve going round corners? It would have been way more interesting to use a Mini 850 and do this comparison round a reasonably tight track suited to the low power of these cars and see how things go. My guess is that the Mini would still do rather well but whatever the outcome it would be better than a straight-line snoreathon.

[@FedeJ2023]

Those cars has been designed to make history….. love your videos! ❤

[@andreap555]

Someone told the guy on 2cv that the carburator is duoble and accelerator becomes hard at the end and need to be.pushed over to open the second valve?

[@lepetitprins9391]

And they are four gear too

[@brunobarbarossa5861]

Thank you for this funny video. The 2cv can easily run at 65mph unless it is dysfonctionnal. But you have to pass the fourth gear...

[@lepetitprins9391]

Exaltly

[@lepetitprins9391]

I have two 2cv...and l agréé with you

[@rushy0157]

Great video guys, this is the performance group test race ive been waiting years to see, well done for making it possible, im glad i finally found this video, i can imagine this took a lot of time and effort to set up and the only changes I wouldve made would be to replace your american peoples car the chevy corvette with an AMC Pacer and add 2 USSR region people's cars - a Trabant and a fiat based lada 4 door saloon/sedan to create the ultimate peoples cars race.

[@Julius1979313]

Yeah, I knew the Mini would win 🤩

[@StefanusKenzo]

In my opinion English MINI, have better interior than other car, looks more luxurious and of course, more expensive. The Italian FIAT 500 is having a seemingly great, and ideal prices for those who cannot afford a car at that time. French Citröen is a great for those people who like car with perfect suspension. And the German Volkswagen have the best engine and also the most reliable engine you could possibly find. I don't know anything about these cars but, I just blindly rated them but to be honest, almost all of these car brand are in my country, except FIAT, wish they sending their new car to us 🇮🇩❤️🇬🇧,🇮🇹,🇫🇷,🇩🇪

[@aspiringaspie3280]

I wanna see that Mini Cooper and that Corvette in a short circuit race!

[@jurgentreue1200]

Mini Coopers were raced in Australia against the big V8s and were very competitive. Nicked named the 'Brick' because of their shape and handling.

[@aspiringaspie3280]

@@jurgentreue1200 yes before my time..... but being across the ditch I'm very familiar with the Bathurst etc

[@andishaw2105]

i got pulled for speeding on a 60 mph road in England, in a 2cv ( 86 mph) flat road with no hurricane behind me !! it did have the 602 cc dyane engine in it though ( engine fan supercharger ).

[@MrLekatt]

I could easily cruise well above 60 mph with my 1979 2CV6... but you have to use the gearbox and the happily high revving engine. Never upshift before reaching max revs. Pistons are Hemi design and valves are big and seat angles more like racing engines for better flow.

[@gabrielv.4358]

Cool to know! They had to do that to help the little engine haha

[@Shamil_Kamilski]

it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Reminds of of a true beauty of driving slow cars in old Gran Turismo games

[@didiermeyer]

This 2cv is not well tuned, because it goes normally to 72 mph top speed!

[@inakinahuelsantosangel3460]

Agreed! I have a '71 3cv ('71 is when they changed the 2cv for the 3cv) and I go on the highway at 75-80km/h comfortably (max speed is 110 km/h) I've known guys in the group that made it and proved by the GPS.

[@HiroNguy]

I'd love to see a follow up with a Ford T put through the same tests.

[@1DEADBEEF1]

Thats silly - you guys are using the powerful mini cooper- its a sports car, shoulda used a mini morris commuter car version with the 800cc engine

[@TonyLeva]

The 500 might be the slower but sure is the sexier lol edit: actually they’re all pretty sick 🤤

[@anonnz-gr4qd]

The first car I ever owned was a 1978 Mini Mk IV. I used to say it would run on the smell of an oily rag. I hotted up the engine, put on some mags, racing steering wheel, and 2" sports muffler.

[@dafonso1978]

That Mini was a "new" old mini...

[@ethelmini]

Yes, a bit unfair as it had decades on some of the competition. though it would have lost to a real 60's 1275 Cooper S by some margin.

[@briandawkins984]

Agreed to be fair they should have found a bog standard mini 1000 maybe with hydrolastic suspension - but those are rare or a Austin America perhaps.

[@danielhristov6175]

Try 850 mini and 1200 beetle next time. I just enter to comment I’m not even going to bother watching

[@AndrewwMK]

If there was a single corner thr mini would have wiped the floor - including the corvette

[@vinckokeccee1352]

TFL is the best, i love the variety of videos between the channels. Great job, thank you.

[@cascivic]

You should of had the Volga out there!! Great video Tommy and the crew

[@eduardosantabaya5348]

the Volga is a beast in comparison, 2.4 liter 4cyl inline... a fair comparison should be against the Trabant, or ZAZ-968

[@norton750commando]

Many moons ago I drove my 68 VW Bug (It was my winter beater to keep my Alfa Spider relatively rust free) from Toronto to Quebec City for the winter carnival. It was at its top speed all the way, 62 mph on the flats and about 67 going downhill.

[@mazdaman1286]

Very surprised about the mini, even with altitude it should have been way faster ,and in acceleration too. There was definitely something wrong with the brakes. My mini 1275 Cooper could out brake, accelerate and out corner most things on the road upto around 60 mph due to its low weight. Though not the car to be in when having a crash....

[@jamesengland7461]

The Mini doesn't crash; it simply drives around the wreck.

[@Surestick88]

Yeah, that was the driver's fault. "Pumping the brakes" on dry asphalt? Learn to drive. Threshold braking on dry road isn't exactly hard. The thought of someone with that lack of skill sharing the roads with others is a concern.

[@jamesengland7461]

@@Surestick88 more likely, he wasn't wanting to flat-spot tires on someone else's old car he was unfamiliar with. He probably just didn't brake hard enough or quickly enough to trounce the others.

[@andreapasquini9486]

Great vid! When I was a toddler I loved to sleep on the rear seats in my mom's 500 during our journey to the beach. I learnt to drive in the same car some years later.. Cheers

[@ianrunyon2423]

I’d love to see y’all get a 70’s Honda to go with the “people car” test. 🤔add a Chevy Corvair…😁 let’s make this global!

[@OscarA8869]

If you were thinking about a Honda N600 or Z600, I can only agree with you. Adding a Renault 4CV, and/or a Trabant, would have been fun too, but the dudes here could only do with what they found, and I assume they had as much fun, if not more, to make these tests than us watching them in this video

[@bennyhannover9361]

At The braking test, I am not sure whether they all hit the brakes really at the same time. I had a beetle 1302/ 1300 and you had to press between 45 and 60 lbs to the pedal ..

[@keithadams6706]

Way too entertaining, love the paint on the CV2 . Excellent video. Good job guys. Keep it up.

[@keithadams6706]

Sorry 2VC. Great job/video. Keep it up. Enjoy your holidays. 👍

[@PU8698]

@@keithadams6706 2CV you mean?

[@toddp.6279]

This was great. You guys should do this again with central/eastern European people's cars, such as the Trabant, ZAZ, Fiat 126p, Dacia.

[@Scout-nj7xj]

The MINI stills looks brilliant even after all these years.