Gas vs Diesel vs Electric: Tesla Cybertruck Battles The Ford F-150 & Ram Cummins Up The Ike Gauntlet

[@TFLtruck]

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[@fcodxdart1083]

Just curious what happened to gen y? Was there something you didn't like with what they were producing?

[@billh3860]

Press RH button on the steering wheel and say "open the glove box!" on all Teslas

[@jimjones-pz1tt]

@@fcodxdart1083 CASH happened.

[@alexjeffs7092]

Money talks

[@madviking1320]

Mine blew an oil seal after a 2k trip with

[@rocklow243]

I am not sure how anyone is not bringing up that a half ton with a naturally aspirated engine (no turbos) pretty much did the exact same time as a 3/4 ton diesel truck with a turbo and big torque with the exact same load. I would have to say that 5.0 is pretty damn impressive

[@sonictech1000]

Yeah, they were both able to maintain the speed limit which is pretty impressive. Back in the 80s-90s that f-150 would have been crawling up the hill at 35.

[@jrogerss8616]

Yeah the 5.0 is still pretty good, too bad it's mated to that absolute grenade of a 10 speed transmission. Maybe ford can finally have it worked out 6 years later by 2025.

[@Soh90]

The difference is, that diesel can and will do that test over and over and over and over with zero issues while the NA five-oh would likely brake something or overheat something at some point. But yes, the 5.0 and Toyota's 5.7 are still great engines and should be sought after if you want a cheaper and more reliable truck.

[@benjaminwayneb]

@@jrogerss8616 We have dozens of 10 speeds in our Police fleet and haven't had one problem.

[@riverratt8626]

@@Soh90 I did a similar test towing 28 foot enclosed car hauler trailers, my 2017 GMC Elevation 1500 with 5.3 and 3:42 gears got the same fuel mileage as a 2022 Ford 2500 Platinum Diesel over a 2.5 hour trip, and my trailer was 1000 lb heavier. They both got 24 liter to 100 km on flat terrain in northern Alberta at -30 C. The new diesels are too choked back with all the emissions stuff on them. This is why the big gas engines are making a come back. The big torque is great, but there is no fuel savings to speak of anymore vs the price of buying a diesel. It's sad. I also own a 2012 3500 GMC dually duramax I haul my camper with & tow boat or UTV's with.

[@hanselgretel8563]

Please use the cybertruck in an actual job site. Like a ranch, farm, mining, logging, or maybe an oilfield. Or try to imitate the way people use their Isuzu and Toyota pickup trucks in developing countries. It would be interesting to see how the Cybertruck handle such conditions.

[@drn13355]

Whats the point? No farmer is going to buy a cybertruck. I live in western Nebraska. People here who actually work in the dirt don't even drive fancy trucks to work. Mostly beat up mid 2000s beat up pieces of shit. All these fancy trucks are for peacocks.

[@TFLtruck]

We plan to use it at David’s ranch soon.

[@johnneil6653]

Does it turn into a "whilstling diesel" episode?

[@zeedustrakok]

Put a gun in the bed?

[@kirklins8411]

I often get a load of dirt or load of gravel or wood chips in the back of my ram 1500. A bobcat pulls up to the side of my truck and dumps a load in the back. Shovel it out and sweep the box. Has a box liner. I wonder how the cyber truck would handle dirt/sand/gravel in all the crevices of the box. With the angle of the side of the box can you even dump a load in the back. Truck stuff!

[@OldThomMerton]

Nice to see Kase on this one, he is always knowledgeable and a solid presenter.

[@TFLtruck]

Could not agree more.

[@jdfleetguy28]

100% agree, I really like seeing Kase on these truck videos, he always knows his stuff, lots of good data guys. Andre is always great with detailed facts as well. Great team !

[@galeng73]

He talks too much and I hate his glasses! I kid. I kid... He's a great asset to the channel. If you watched the BRAT video, he's also willing to do anything you ask of him, regardless of his personal safety.

[@jdfleetguy28]

@@galeng73 saw that Brat video this morning, it was hilarious. Really liking that wild crazy Classics Channel antics of late. That Brat video was the best one yet.

[@galeng73]

@@jdfleetguy28 I was duly impressed. I don't encourage that sort of behavior, but I drink enough to not actually stop people from that kind of behavior. Assuming that makes sense...

[@Jarrett197]

Andre, IDK how you do it, but every video you guys produce I’m interested in and cannot unglue my eyes from the screen. Keep up the great work everyone over at TFL!

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for the kind words. Much appreciated.

[@leehall5447]

Alright meat rider

[@TehDFC]

Get a life lol.

[@jefft7085]

When talking about decibel levels, remember that it's a logarithmic scale. Even 10 decibels is twice as loud. 65db is quite a bit louder than 60db

[@TFLtruck]

Indeed. All trucks were under 70 db. Which is great!

[@pryme2013]

3db is twice as loud

[@jefft7085]

@pryme2013 I saw your response and was curious. It turns out we're both right, depending on how you look at. 3db is twice the sound pressure, but 10db is twice the subjective perception of volume. My guess is that sound pressure is what's fatiguing, so you're probably more right in this context.

[@Captain-Awesome]

That’s great to know!

[@Aspkkr]

@@pryme2013 Actually 6db is twice as loud, You can prove this to yourself by using an oscilloscope with a transducer hooked to it. get a peak in your screen and remove 6db. It will halve the signal. I spent 30 years in the ultrasonic industry. Also just fyi db's are actually what it takes to make a sound silent, so in the Cybertruck's case it would take 61 db's to make it silent.

[@markmonroe7330]

The lift and bigger diameter/heavier wheels/tires are the most impactful for towing. They really put more stress on the suspension, drive-train, brakes and chassis. There is also an impact on handling, turns, wind and whatnot. I see roofers around here with huge lifts, huge tires pulling a trailer with 15,000+ of old shingles going to the dump behind them and they really look like death traps going down the road.

[@TFLtruck]

Yep. We did a whole video podcast on this topic.

[@markmonroe7330]

@@TFLtruck It was excellent too. Thank you.

[@melanehme3661]

if graphed the x-axis has IQ points and the y-axis is for lift / tire size ... 🤭😆🤣👍👍👍

[@TheCapn23]

Ya, lifts crush efficiency and performance

[@stifreak14]

@@melanehme3661 So if I tow with a lowered truck? did i gain IQ? XD

[@pierre.a.larsen]

Good test - that was interesting. Thx. For the Cybertruck you can set up to use the right scroll wheel for trailer braking - you are not limited to the screen.

[@qdog494]

That coyote was impressive. Current own a 2021 with the coyote. I hope they never get rid of it! Great video guys

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for watching.

[@purpletigerracing7087]

I've got a 2017 5.0 6 spd auto. Love it. Bought it new, probably keeping it forever.

[@kb9oak749]

What no GM trucks in the test? I'm triggered.🙈🙉🙊

[@nbaldo003]

@@kb9oak749i’d make a joke about gm reliability but they chose a dodge which is even worse so i guess i agree? lol

[@thunderroad7289]

Have a 2013 5.0 f 150 with 370 thousand miles on it and still runs great . Zero issues. Change plugs and coil packs every 100 thousand miles. Transmission flushed and filter changed every 60 thousand miles

[@just4abdu2238]

Guys, for the cybertruck the adaptive regen brake was off and it was also in chill mode for the acceleration. I want to see this again with the settings better for the test.

[@GadgetMan777]

Go watch Out of Spec. Cybertruck comes in dead last in their towing test against all the EV trucks and that seems to be the consensus. Lightning and Rivian seem like the best value. Silverado EV is the best performer for towing.

[@juggurnott]

@@GadgetMan777there have been many updates since then.

[@sturdyvw]

Adaptive regen isn’t going to make a difference. The real reason that exists is so it’s less sketchy in slippery conditions i.e. braking too much when you don’t need it. It’s not going to above the normal max regen.

[@davidradtke160]

@@sturdyvwit impacts range too quite a bit.

[@mtnman1984]

​@@juggurnott the Silverado EV is just as new. Even if OTAs push the limits a bit further, the Tesla just won't be able to keep up with the Chevy when it comes to towing. There's too much headroom with the GM hardware.

[@gregdavis3723]

It says on the Towing and Hauling screen, "Right Scroll Wheel Trailer Brake", "To brake, tilt the scroll wheel to the right.". All you have to do is turn that feature on, on that screen, and then you can tilt the scroll wheel on the steering wheel to the right to engage the trailer brakes. It's probably the most convenient manual trailer brake application method of any truck out there.

[@Idiomatick]

Bigger miss was that on the same screen they left off adaptive regen... which is the only reason it did worse than the other trucks.

[@shou635]

@@Idiomatickso once again, not knowing how to do something, creates worse results. I wish these “reviewers” would learn what they need to do instead of just fumble through everything and then wonder why they have a worse experience.

[@Idiomatick]

@@shou635 Its hard to get the throughput without errors so i get it. They should post a correction though since it is significant. Reposting relatively quickly doesn't cost you much for the algorithm.

[@LWCA86]

No, if you have to do any steps its less convenient then any other truck

[@michaelirwin3038]

It did worse because it’s just not made for this type of application. The fact that it can’t even tow 100 miles makes it a bad option.l for towing. It’s just not ready. In fact EV in general is not ready for long road trips. Be fully loaded with family and cargo…good luck

[@craigg4246]

I rode my Suzuki 1050 over the Ike Gauntlet today. It was pretty cool seeing all the sights I've been seeing in your vids for years. Btw, I can report the bike needed ZERO brake applications on the way down.... Thx for another great vid guys.

[@jonzaremba]

Let the honest testing begin!!!!

[@BKetch]

Im waiting for the durability testing from Whistilindiesel!

[@jonzaremba]

@@BKetch he will get there eventually

[@BKetch]

@@jonzaremba supposedly he has one.

[@Modikie]

@@BKetch when was it convirmed that he got one? i havent seen any new videos recently. he's definately working on that video because he doesnt post super often, but im just assuming he's ordered one.

[@BKetch]

@@Modikie there was something on his IG that he got one. Like a week or two ago.

[@pkt1213]

Gotta love it. "Buy this vehicle. It isn't quite finished but we'll send out updates as soon as we figure it out. 10 years wasn't quite enough."

[@dbeardsley0]

That coyote was awesome. I got a 22 F150 xlt with the coyote and max tow. Best truck I've owned

[@kensporalsky3784]

I just don’t understand the fascination with the coyote. Drive a coyote one day and the ecoboost the next and you’ll never want to go back to that slug of a motor.

[@WillWallace2]

@@kensporalsky3784 switched from ecoboost to a coyote and never looked back , 120k miles zero issues while the ecoboost I had to replace one of the turbos in less than 40k miles . I’ll take reliability over performance.

[@kensporalsky3784]

@@WillWallace2 you were unlucky. My best friends 5.0 has been in to the dealer 6 times in under 35k miles. My 3.5 not a hiccup in 70k. The power and mileage difference has him regretting that 5.0 every day.

[@WillWallace2]

@@kensporalsky3784 I know the ‘18-20 5.0 had some issues with oil consumption , mine is a ‘17 , the mpg difference was at best 2 mpg more than the coyote , the ONLY thing that I like on the ecoboost was the low rpm torque . In my case , I’m planning to keep the truck as long as I can with the new truck prices these days.

[@jimsteinway695]

@@kensporalsky3784it’s not a good motor for a truck. You can see at altitude it lost 30% power. It was at its limit. He said he had to use full throttle. The 3.5 has more torque plus turbos at altitude its better. The 5.0 was almost maxed out. At 5000 rpm. The 3.5 tows at 2500. Much better truck motor

[@Ferrari348GTS]

The quality of that intro with the drone was cinematic fire! 💙

[@TFLtruck]

Yay! Thank you!

[@robhicks2117]

Did you use the adaptive cruise control on the F150? If you did I missed it. If you use the adaptive cruise control on the F-150, the transmission will downshift or upshift to keep the truck at the speed set on the cruise control.

[@johnhahn8464]

No but they seemed to have used it on the cybertruck for some weird reason?

[@roadrunner4847]

Trying to make the EV seem better than it is

[@johnhahn8464]

@@roadrunner4847 bingo!

[@kybruce1]

Amazes me that Tesla engineers did not realize that tire sidewalls would flex and fixed wheel covers would cut into flexing sidewalls

[@lolbuster01]

That's because Tesla makes appliances on wheels.

[@is6566]

Because Tesla is a software company first and car company second. Even today.

[@aliasgertayabali5260]

They were too busy designing the complex things they overlooked the simple ones like the pedal decoration and rubbing hub caps and maybe more to come.

[@jibcano1777]

I think the wheel covers were rubber where they touched the tire. Less about a hard surface and probably more about friction. Don't use more than one condom at a time.

[@HifeMan]

⁠@@is6566Does Tesla sell software or cars?

[@akwild83]

Cummins all day for me but i was really surprised how well that Ford did

[@jimsteinway695]

The 3.5 twin turbo is better for towing

[@Derek-pd4fc]

@@jimsteinway695 Which one will last longer?

[@thunderroad7289]

@@Derek-pd4fc5.0 have one closing in 400 thousand miles lol

[@michaelscott285]

Now do a test across Colorado.. border to border. Towing a heavy load over just one state.. Lets see which trucks make sense.

[@joshc606]

5k load would be great. Most people only pull a boat or atvs.

[@tombache3426]

With a best time as a requirement.

[@michaelscott285]

My point is the electric wont make it one way without a recharge at the massive voltage loss while towing. Gas/ diesel is going to win every time.

[@xmo552]

@@michaelscott285 Amen

[@Zozo806]

you know the outcome and just wants the Tesla to lose against Diesel ans Gasoline. I am not a Fan of that zruck eighter but i just see it as another rich mans toy like an Raptor or TRX.

[@dvandkq]

Best description I've heard of the Cybertruck is "Origami El Camino".

[@knowone6214]

ROFL

[@wadewilson6628]

Why would you degrade the El Camino like that.

[@Captain-Awesome]

There is no one who gives straight forward and reliable information like you guys do.

[@Rhyan.hare08]

Cummins all day

[@007KrausBean]

It looks like at the 25:50 mark you needed to toggle the switch to allow you to use the right scroll wheel for the trailer brake. You had it turned off so nothing was happening when you were spinning that wheel.

[@cobraskenpo2299]

Its a right toggle not scroll.

[@007KrausBean]

@@cobraskenpo2299 Watching the video that got released today, that switch on the display I was talking about was toggled on so the scroll wheel would work was toggled on and the wheel worked. What I pointed out was correct.

[@dalejones4322]

Great video guys. The comparison was so informative. The coyote ford is all I'd ever need. Thanks

[@TFLtruck]

Glad you liked it!

[@scottleggejr]

I have a modern diesel and the maintenance is brutal! You shouldn't buy an HD diesel unless you really need it not only for upfront cost, but maintenance too. 😭

[@dalejones4322]

@@scottleggejr that is advice I'll never forget. Thanks man

[@ryangansner2162]

As soon as Andre took the hitch cover off of the Cybertruck and I saw how recessed it was, I knew it was going to be an issue. Lo and behold lol.

[@Soh90]

Yeah I just hooked up a 6x12 utility trailer to my Model Y today for a landfill run and got the bloody knuckles to prove it. The hitch location is absolutely horrendous. Forgivable on the Model Y which only sees a trailer maybe twice or three times a year. But it's an absolute miss on the Cybertruck which is supposed to be a freaking truck and touts itself as the "toughest truck" or whatever crap Elon said.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@Soh90Yea, its Elons fault! Everything is Elons fault! Even the weather.

[@Soh90]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 Never said anything was his fault. I (loosely) quoted what he SAID 🤦🏾‍♂️ Reading is fundamental. The Tesla Cybertruck is not the only vehicle to differ from poor towing hardware placement, obviously.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@Soh90 "I (loosely) quoted what he SAID Reading is fundamental. " Yes, that was what you said, maybe reading what you wrote should be also fundamental? I don't care where the tow hitch is placed. I am not allowed to use it anyway in Europe without a truckers license if more than (soon) 4.2 tons max. weight of both. Maybe i go to drivers school again after 45 years of driving? I will decide when the CT or something equivalent is offered here.

[@tubewatcher5012]

I noticed when Andre inserted the hitch into the receiver, he pushed it all the way in to the second hole ( you see when he flips it around). If he'd have pulled it out for the first hole, it would have fit just fine.

[@danwages5053]

Kase and Andre are great! One of the best combinations on TFL.

[@zachlafond2652]

Don't tell the other guys, but you 2 are the best of the TFL bunch ;-) I think munro showed that the battery pack isn't even full, so it really should have more batteries.

[@gm7542]

No, this was incorrectly reported by others. Munroe did not say that more batteries could fit. Watch the Munroe full video

[@philipparana9225]

Uses 4680 cells which have a horrible charge curve. Probably why the Regen jsight as well compared to competitors ​@@gm7542

[@mattbrew11]

Completely incorrect. Its at max capacity

[@danharold3087]

@@mattbrew11 The space under the cells are a great safety innovation.

[@ThunderCat19D]

Looks like that same semi passed at 65 plus on the left as well

[@nlken7175]

I love to see David's take on this thing at the ranch.

[@IKnewMickey]

Would like to see David have the Cyber Truck for a week or two. One day on the farm....any truck would be fine.

[@fuze3522]

i just noticed the tesla was in chill mode when they did the acceleration test haha, probably had even more to give.

[@longrange341]

Probably didnt want to have the battery die halfway up the hill, they cant carry enough AAs to recover from that 🤣

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Theres PLENTY of things to hate about the truck but i have to admit short term acceleration is good but it comes with the fallinh flat in the area of ENDURANCE

[@tazeat]

chill more affects throttle mapping than it does peak output

[@fuze3522]

@@tazeat pretty sure it affects maximum acceleration instead of throttle mapping, if you put a plaid in chill mode it’ll do 0-60 in around 7-8 seconds (I forget which number exactly) but it’ll do that number rain or shine even up a 40° incline, I think that this cybertruck was still deploying around 450-500hp but it was limited by its max acceleration in chill mode, maybe it was overridden because it was in tow mode but you’d just have to find out by running the test again in normal

[@meinecraft1809]

Also they were complaining about the trailer brake, even tho they showed the option in the menu to set it to the right scroll wheel. So in an amergency you can just press the knob on the steering wheel instead of the touch screen! 🤦🏻‍♂️ The only real Problem i see with the Cybertruck is thermal longevity on i.e. downhills, as well as obviusly more charging stops than in an ICE truck and the missing pull through stations for charging. So as long as you are not towing all the time but sometimes, this is a bad ass truck!

[@SeniorGrave]

Curios about Cybertruck tire wear. Tesla says they will last 20K to 40K miles. You have it for at least a year and you'll be putting a lot of miles on it. This would be a good opportunity for a video topic if you measured tread depth new and after 20K miles. Also curios about cost of tire replacement.

[@volvo09]

For such a heavy vehicle the tires will likely wear fast (compared to a standard truck). 20-40k is quite low. I've got 20k on my ko2's and they have probably 75-80% tread remaining.

[@RobertJLessard]

Ya the tesla guys go through tires alot and for some brakes depending on how you drive.

[@lolbuster01]

​@@RobertJLessard the weight, the constant braking effect of the vehicle and often times the compound of the tires for lower rolling resistance/hyper efficiency are aspects that are unique to tire wear for EVs. I'm sure they'll get it right eventually but you'll goes through tires like crazy.

[@Idiomatick]

@@volvo09 Teslas also accellerate super hard which eats tires. Not a lot of trucks can spin their wheels from 60.

[@Offshore1977]

And you would have to replace with the exact same tire as to not affect the wheel cover

[@tommyboulet]

Roman, you can easily reprogram a ram truck to reflect the actual tire size. I've done it myself on my truck with alfaobd and a obd Bluetooth dongle.

[@tommyboulet]

And also, regarding the cyber truck, I noticed an option that was turned off for regenerative braking in the towing section.

[@flight2k5]

You can do it to any truck

[@kylebeach2316]

​@@tommybouletregen braking doesnt really charge the battery , it only acts as a "engine brake." Regen braking would only make sense is in hybrid vehicles where the gas engine could be used as a charger for the batteries.

[@tommyboulet]

@@kylebeach2316 regen brake, by definition means regenerative braking. It uses the kinetic energy of the vehicule to fill out the the batteries and slows it down, it actually takes force to use the motor as a generator to regen the battery thus it slows down the vehicule. I don't think you are correct.

[@robertvillagarcia6562]

Ĺ​@@tommyboulet

[@GeorgeGeo]

IMO Coyote is the best engine for the F150

[@TexasNationalist1836]

Ecobeast is stronger and tougher

[@GeorgeGeo]

@@TexasNationalist1836 2 people I know had Ecoboosts and they are shit.. both had oil leak issues

[@Hooner77]

@@TexasNationalist1836 It may be stronger but not tougher. The 5.0L has less issues than the Ford turbo charged engines.

[@TexasNationalist1836]

@@Hooner77 the ecoboost is more reliable and the phasers fail with the 5L

[@TexasNationalist1836]

@@GeorgeGeo mines running strong at 260,000 miles no issues

[@goingofftherails9877]

Great job on this review. Very informative and entertaining . Super impressed with Kase and his style. He is going places in my opinion !

[@johntate5284]

So, the Cybertruck used 20.1 KW for Ike Gauntlet. Using 5.3 mpg for the Ram, it used about 52.5 KW (diesel has 37.1 KWH per gallon) while the F150 (4.5 mpg) used about 56.3 KW (gasoline has 33.7 KWH per gallon). To be fair, let's throw in the recharge losses for the Tesla (same for F150 lightning and Rivian) of 7% and say that the Cybertruck actually used about 22 KWH, it is still almost 2.5 times the efficiency of gas or diesel. The Cybertruck has the 120 KWH battery, which is equivalent to 3.2 gallons of diesel or 3.6 gallons of gasoline. When looking at range for comparison (between this Ram or this F150), just put that much fuel in each and see how far you will get!!! Great review!

[@jimjones-pz1tt]

Find a Jesuit Priest Professor of Logic and ask him to explain your ignorance.

[@kb9oak749]

Efficiency really isn't the point. Can it do everything a gas or diesel does and still get you to a charger/gas station or preferably back home after say a 90-100 mile trip. They didn't even address that.

[@Cloud30000]

If it makes you feel better, I wouldn’t buy an ICE pickup with a 4 gallon tank and a filler neck that causes it to take an hour to refill those 4 gallons. Let me know when the EV carries a 36-gallon equivalent amount of energy and I can refill that energy in 10 minutes at any gas station.

[@johntate5284]

@@Cloud30000 I never said that an EV truck makes any sense, because it doesn't. EV cars don't make any sense either unless you have real car or truck and only use the EV for local commuting. All EV's in the US actually run on mostly coal anyway. The battery technology is no where near ready for prime time and if 4 gallons of gas weighed 800 pounds, we would all be in trouble. But, electric motors are much more efficient than the best internal combustion engine, which is the point i was trying to make.

[@lolbuster01]

​@@johntate5284 the over application of EVs as some sort of messiah is why they are so hated. I despise them from a practicality and self maintenence point of view. Can't deny the efficiency aspect, though I am of the opinion if you are using a truck as a daily driver and complaining about efficiency, the fault is not with the truck. You bought the wrong vehicle, you are the stupid.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Even though a half ton might be rated to tow well over the roughly 9k; if one is going to be towing that much on a regular basis you need to step up to a 3/4 or one ton.

[@ATLOffroad]

Not necessarily. That may have been true 20 years ago but 1/2 ton trucks are engineered to handle that kind of weight. Their powertrains, suspensions, and brakes are quite robust.

[@keithhall4009]

My 2016 F150 3.5 ecoboost tower way better than my 1992 F250 with 7.5L V8. 1/2 tons are rated like 3/4 tons used to be.

[@ColinFox]

Here in BC, we have the Coquihalla, and the elevation change from Hope (small town at the base) to the summit is 1204 meters. The actual elevation change in the Ike gauntlet is 1301 meters, so pretty similar. The Coq is brutal - seen a number of burned out cars and trucks over the years.

[@gerhardschulzy]

I don't know how the Ike is actually, but they said they are only driving a couple miles each way with the towing. From hope to summit it's 60km each way. The elevation change on IKE sounds way worse

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

This is all in a short distance. It’s a pretty good run uphill, I live 200 miles away from the Ike

[@SlimSpida]

The Coq is steeper, longer, and faster. It may have more turns too, although I'm judging that from watching Ike videos. It has 8.5% grades at the steepest points. Speed limits go up to 120km/hr in the best conditions. The lower overall elevation means that we don't have the same effects of thinner air, but it's a big drive, up or down. The portion of the Ike they measure is more like a 600+ meter change in elevation. The other highway I towed up recently was 40D in Mexico. That climbs from sea level to 8700ft in ~70 miles between Mazatlan and Durango.

[@djtesseract3064]

​@@gerhardschulzythe climb on the Coquihalla Highway after Hope is up to 12.5% grade while the Ike never gets past 8%. The Coquihalli is a MUCH MORE BRUTAL TEST of hill climb due to its steepness versus the Ike Gauntlet. I would loooooove to see a climb test from past Hope, BC up to the top of the hill which is a 12 mile (19 km) climb at up to 12.5% grade during the big hill climb part!

[@shaynelhta]

I've done this several times in my cummins pulling over max load every time. Have all the coolers but the 68rfe got pretty hot every time pulling up. But the truck didn't miss a beat.

[@jeremiahglass8262]

Finally! I knew the FLT would make a real world review…Hallelujah!!

[@BryceLovesTech]

You guys mentioned the perfect case is towing a light weight out 30 minutes to the boat launch and coming back home. That is me so an electric truck would work perfectly for me. The decision between the Rivian and the cyber truck.

[@wadewilson6628]

Imagine wanting everyone to laugh at you at the boat launch.

[@aymanlockhartable]

I towed with 2007 Ford Expedition my 5.4-liter V-8 in the gauntlet. I thought it was going to have issues but it worked amazingly! Didn’t have current technology but killed my brakes afterwards!

[@chownzi2461]

Im actually super excited for the ram electric hybrid truck with the generator because for daily driving you never use gas but when towing and going long distance you have that generator to keep you going

[@puffnstuff12]

That's the only one I am interested in.

[@PeterRabbitWhatsup]

LOL 😂, I'll keep my HEMI.

[@goneawol7498]

Still burning fossil fuels, who are they kidding?

[@XKS99]

Would be interesting if in addition to the battery pack extender Tesla offered a generator to install in the bed in the same footprint.

[@CrumResearch]

Ramcharger

[@skyknight2095]

Case does such a good job. Much better than Mr Truck.

[@douglas685]

You guys kinda botched the cybertruck brake controller... That first toggle switch in the menu assigns the brake controller to the right-side physical scrollwheel on the steering wheel. So yeah, it does have a physical control but Andre goofed on that one

[@boostav]

They also didn't toggle the increased regen for towing right below it, hence why it came up short in terms of recuperated energy.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

Excuses

[@SyntheticSpy]

@@JAMESWUERTELEnot excuses. They literally didn’t set it up properly

[@melmaciandissenter2324]

@@SyntheticSpy It was in tow mode. It should have been properly configured by itself. And buttons that change function depending of the mode you're in don't count as physical buttons, since you cannot really build muscle memory.

[@SyntheticSpy]

@@melmaciandissenter2324 “physical buttons don’t count as physical buttons because I say so” And there are situations where in tow mode you may not want those things enabled. It’s good to have options and every vehicle has settings you can enable/disable. They want their channel to be a source of trustworthy information, so we should hold them to the standard of being bothered to fully read the text on screen right in front of them so that they can actually properly represent vehicles in their tests. The fact they complained about not having a specific function, while a toggle allowing that function was sitting right in front of them should not happen

[@Lycan3303]

Should show the prices of all 3 trucks

[@elcaminomant]

Have to say, the Trail Hound is still my favorite TFL vehicle. Just looks killer and so versatile. Hopefully it'll continue to hang around for a while.

[@musseda999]

Did the cyber-refrigerator have to recharge halfway up?

[@tianjohan4633]

You made a big number of CT missing a button for trailer braking. I'm pretty sure the right handed scroll wheel on the steering wheel does work as a trailer brake while towing. You reach it with your thumb if needed.

[@BlackstoneMalone]

Love the work you guys do. It's informative and the results are backed by the video production. You guys aren't bias to one brand make or model when it comes to testing numbers. I know you give your opinions, but the numbers are still what they are. One thing is for sure. I know where I'm going to get informative feedback on the next truck I decided to buy! Thanks guys for the invaluable information and education when it comes to every detail of these trucks head to head. The work you guys do for the truck community is top knotch and much appreciated! Keep up the great work!

[@aussie2uGA]

Comfortable, fast, stable, quiet. Seems like a pretty nice rig. I like that ability to instantly apply full brakes to the trailer!

[@Dusdaddy]

Yeah, that Ram was awesome.....

[@taylorsvilletony773]

@@Dusdaddy good one

[@Modikie]

it really does. only issue is tpical tesla quirks like the mirrors, hitch cover, stuff like that. but honestly if i wanted to get an suv to haul my family, i would get a cybertruck over a model y or a model x any day of the week. all the good that comes with those cars, except its a truck that can do truck things when you need it to. however, things get even better. the battery was recently torn into and it was discovered that the battery is actuallly only 50% capacity of the casing the batteries are in. maybe that gap is under the truck and to protect the battery, but if it isnt, then we can almost certainly expect a legit 500+ mile range cybertruck at some point. maybe once they are able to ramp up production of batteries and reduce the price, and release the 500+ range model where the cyberbeast currently is. plus the extra battery weight will likely make it feel even more stable, plus nearly double your towing range.

[@goneawol7498]

Like any other $100 brake controller….

[@aussie2uGA]

@@goneawol7498 really, other brake controllers do that? My tundra has the squeeze option that only increases its force when you touch the brake pedal.

[@gameboy3800]

23:00 on quite a lot of like rental trucks you'll find the hitch covered. i rented a uhaul v6 dodge when out of town once to move some things and it actually didnt even have the normal hitch, just a bumper ball location. it had every feature possible removed but there was still the tow haul mode so i really dont know why theyd cover it lol.

[@bostondan77]

Excellent video, usually if people throw a bunch of numbers at me I get distracted but loved how you guys slowly peppered in the numbers for the other EV offerings.

[@TFLtruck]

Our pleasure!

[@ah244895]

Ike Gauntlent is like its own genre of video. Enjoy these very much.

[@aaronbritt2025]

@26:20... The right scroll wheel is the something physical. It performs the same function as the slider on a traditional controller. @29:30... Your power is in "Chill" mode, not "Normal".

[@marcprobin1659]

I love watching this channel because your do REAL world testing against other brands! Well done.

[@StardustADV]

1. Recessed hitch is funny and automatically disproves Elon's claims of "tows better then any other" 2. Your guys presentation is awesome. 3. Why cant the glove box just have its own button? Why does everything need to be controlled by the screne? I dont like using touch screnes while im driving, i feel more automakers going touch screne only, especially for silly things like a glove box, is a miss. At least add some buttons to the stearing column and/or wheel that i can use to work the screne instead of taking my hands away from the wheel to attempt to touch an icon on a screne, which can be awkward on rough roads. Even modern harleys let you fully controll the screne with touch or buttons on the handle bars.

[@TonyBasuro]

1. It could be the aftermarket shank. Try a different manufacturer (or ask the sponsor for a mod). I thought they should have pushed a little harder on the plastic bumper. It would have compressed. 2.) Pretty good show, indexing trucks on a repeating test has value. 3.) There are blue tooth buttons with peel and stick backing that can be set to perform a discreet function. I recently broke yet another plastic glovebox latch, it snapped like raw spaghetti. This time it was a G-wagon. I'd have a dashboard full of slap buttons. And one on the floor for the brights.

[@toddlerandtwinsinatesla]

Its because you can lock drivers/valets out of the glovebox (their key doesn't work) and add a pin to open glovebox for security (so its locked even if they have your key card/phone.

[@coldblue9mm]

I have a Ram Mega Cab 4X4 3/4 ton pickup. Years ago, when I bought it, my buddies said "You don't haul anything heavy." I replied "But now I can." I've hauled a tandem axle enclosed trailer, I've hauled a car trailer with some extremely heavy material on it, and a trailer similar to yours, with a mini excavator on it. Handled it all like a champ.

[@kieransteele7223]

What’s the gear ratio on the 5.0? I have a 2015 (5.0 w/ 3.73 gears) and it tows very well. Definitely considering upgrading to a 2023 like this one with the same 5.0 and 3.73 gears

[@thewaterboy2013]

Finally. Thanks TFL for making this happen!

[@lordjoshr]

Trip only works if you put in a destination, you eventually selected the right current drive

[@oisiaa]

The brake controller function can be mapped to the steering wheel button. It said so on the towing screen. You didn't have the option selected.

[@dirtberger4533]

Thanks for the old school V8.

[@foreshee10]

That's a coyote 5.0 dual over head cam . That's not a old push rod 302. Lol

[@dirtberger4533]

@@foreshee10 this is true. Good point.

[@rcwanderlust757]

That setting slide bar is for putting the brake controller on the scroll wheel, no?

[@tonyredmond2000]

Looked like the cyber truck towed pretty well in this video. Although, I’d go with the Ford with the coyote out of those choices. Too bad they’re all overpriced.

[@1sheinz]

Great review over all Guy's ! I noticed that you Did Not select Adaptive regen boost increasing regen power using trailer weight downhill. It raises the regen power over what the truck allows when not towing.

[@steverox13]

Why isn’t cruise control used both directions? Thanks for the content

[@jamessmith-yk3sc]

you can also open the glove box with a verbal command.This is actually easier than a button on the glove box and you can also set a pin on it for security purposes.

[@bryanmiller2023]

The other thing everyone seems to miss when referencing the glove box button on the screen; both the driver and passenger can reach it. Most vehicles it's a long reach from the drivers seat. With that said I think they still could have included a physical button for the glove box, especially when you consider what one of these things cost.

[@shiftymcgee9359]

Cyber Truck wheels look better without covers. Can’t save the rest of the truck. That thing is just ugly EV or not.

[@CrumResearch]

@shiftymcgee9359 yes indeed, we kinda like the unusual look of the Cybertruck with its flat surfaces.

[@cwang93]

Love the content with the Cybertruck!

[@boomerwmu81]

Can't wait to see this done with the Ramcharger

[@thecookiedude85]

I’ve been waiting for this Ike forever!

[@zamp549]

I’ll take the Ram with Cummins all day, every day! Now do a towing video from the upper Mid-West to the Florida Keys pulling a 30’ fifth wheeler camper! Tesla=last place.

[@Dyrtir1k]

Here from the Florida keys. I get the best mileage when going through the keys.

[@zeedustrakok]

@@1boxcar4yuYou don’t know how cheap that is.

[@zeedustrakok]

As an EV driver I can only confirm that. I do like my EV, comfortable, fast enough, reasonably efficient, but don’t put bikes on it or tow with it. It works as a car, not as a commercial vehicle.

[@joshaalders3029]

I’d still watch that video

[@scottleggejr]

I'm in Arizona and my Duramax took my family to Yellowstone over covid with a 10k lbs toy hauler with zero issues. The Teton pass is the toughest towing test in the world from my experience and handled it without any concern. Tesla doesn't make a vehicle that could do that trip. To those of you talking about the price of fuel. The price of supercharger on a road trip with a trailer would be comparable because EV are so stunningly inefficient towing. If it could even do it...

[@Idiomatick]

25:50 .... did you not turn on adaptive regen braking? It should outperform the other vehicles with it turned on.

[@jayphilbert5845]

Why wouldn’t you guys recalibrate the speedometer 🤦🏾

[@phrontrowalpine]

These two seemed relatively unbiased. Which I liked. I just bought a new Model X. Love it, buuuut, felling a little envious of Cybertruck tech, however, my X is refined and super comfy as well as impressive tech and insanely fast.

[@watchamovie1000]

That driver’s-side door weatherstrip on the Tesla being folded over is triggering my OCD. Haha. Great video, guys. 🙌🏼

[@flight2k5]

You don’t have ocd

[@capachin]

WRT towing a boat, can you submerg the rear axle when launching a boat on the Cybertruck? Will there be water ingress in the rear of the battery on a launch ramp?

[@dvader3263]

Battery is watertight. It can drive through 30 inches of water depth. Waist height of many people.

[@markryl-kuchar2373]

With the cybertrucks payload ability, if you guys still work with David you should do a log haul with this truck and see how it handles it

[@kb9oak749]

It won't. Dead battery in 3....2....1...🚉

[@timw6596]

Figure out what your going to use the truck for, there is a place for the Cummins and a place for the Cyber truck and a place for a gas truck ! A few miles to tow your bass boat to the lake then EV might be the one you want, if you tow Military tanks around the country then the Cummins is the choice for you but for towing that bass boat or camping trailer across the county then the 5.0 is the one you want !

[@Mike-te1xx]

Nice wiper! Test the windows! Roll Coal on that DeLorean.

[@jasongroesbeck4080]

Ram Cummins all day for this guy!! I have a 3500 and have not been disappointed yet.

[@jdfleetguy28]

Great job on the video guys! Enjoyed the Ram and Ford part the most, hard pass on the giant electric door stop. lol Long live the Coyote and the Cummins .

[@Datsun280zeeee]

Why not set the cruise control at 60mph on the uphill test? Its more accurate than your foot

[@HSstudio-gaming]

I'm hoping for a cross country cannonball with that Cybertruck... while towing.

[@nicynu6202]

Will be a short video

[@TheReal_JG]

Minus the towing, there's a cross-country challenge between the Silverado 4wt, cybertruck, Rivian, and the lightning. It's on the Out of Spec channel.

[@4vinylsound]

Can the tow hitch read the weight if you flip it over going up or going down?

[@TFLtruck]

Yes. You can flip the hitch and its weight gauge.

[@Hảo_Nguyễn_Cuối_Tuần]

I have no need to move heavy trailer up and down drive way :p I move light trailer long dist in short time. 😊 F150 for the win!

[@lexi_the_goat]

Hey TFL, I’ve watched y’all for years. I love y’all’s work. Especially with the trucks. Keep up the great work!

[@jamesswaller]

Press the camera icon to have the side rear view when necessary. Way better than any mirrors. Towed my racecar to Laguna Seca with no issues. Supercharger right at the track so no fuss. 185 mile range towing racecar.

[@jamesswaller]

Swipe down for rear view, up for front view (useful for off road)

[@theknifedude1881]

I’ve had two Dodge/Cummins 3,500’s and been totally satisfied with their performance. A$125.00 transmission fitting and a similar cost fuel injector fitting were the only costs other than oil changes and fuel In just over 65,000 miles! Pulling a 48 foot Slope Deck Car Hauler loaded with 4-5 West Wight Potter Trailer Sailboats (1996 Model).

[@is6566]

The battery is 123 KWH and it used 20 KWH going uphill and gained back 5 KWH. So it cost 15KWH to go to the top and come back down. So, if you do this again and again repetitively, then you can go up and down EIGHT TIMES on the Ike before running out of juice. The Cummins and the Ford has about 31 or 36 gallon tanks and use around 2 gallons to go up and come down (we don’t know the exact downhill mpg but usually coasting downhill shows 30-99 mpg in my vehicles). So I calculated with 2 gallons of fuel for up and down total. The two ICE vehicles can do this up and down route approximately 15-18 times vs 8 times the Tesla.

[@JT-lq4yd]

Some ICE cars shut down the fuel injectors when coasting.

[@is6566]

@JT… Good thinking but most likely these trucks don’t do that because when you’re towing 9,000 pounds you need to be constantly in control so a running engine is probably needed but I am not an expert.

[@JT-lq4yd]

@@is6566 On my own vehicles, when coasting, the injectors shutdown. The engine is still spinning/turning, alternator still charging... it's virtually impossible to differentiate whether or not the engine is running as there are no signs of this happening.

[@Rj-to8qm]

@@JT-lq4ydon my older diesel you could actually hear when it stopped firing the injectors, and you could hear when they started firing again, but other than that, yeah there’s no way to really know

[@JT-lq4yd]

@Rj-to8qm I don't have a diesel truck or car, but it is good to know the idea of shutting down the injectors when coasting to save on fuel. Older diesel engines were louder because of the injectors firing, so it would be easier to hear, especially when road noise is not as high.

[@miked.6619]

@TFLtruck Did you guys forget to engage the ADAPTIVE REGENERATIVE BRAKING? That would be the reason for the lessened regenerative breaking.

[@Erik.e.d.b]

And the best looking is still the F-150 Truck, even in the xlt trim. 💪

[@CGGC0202]

The scroll wheel is a trailer brake if you turn on that option, so you can use that or the screen. Also to tell how much energy you are using why didn't you use the trip meter to show time, distance, kwh and kwh/mi ? Did you even think things through ?

[@Shenkosky]

When I buy a Vehicle it's based on what it comes with not what they promise will come out one day. Because they want full price from me today!

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

27:08 I believe you can use the left scroll wheel to use this function while driving. No need to use the screen.

[@Rosy_87]

Thank You Tesla Cybertruck for putting a smile on my face today. Brand new truck that is missing multiple things, waiting for software updates. Lol. Recalled wheel covers. Lol. Needing the touchscreen to open the glovebox. Lol. Seems to perform mechanically well though it's just all the electronic stuff that needs work.

[@iskdude9922]

If the interior was better id like the truck. No buttons. And need to go through the screen for everything is super cheap for something that costs so much.

[@michaelbukowski7396]

“Honda Ridgeline!” Before Cybertruck, the most divisive small pickup. 30:57

[@handlealreadytaken]

For trip power usage to work, you have to set a destination in the navigation system.

[@volvo09]

That's kind of silly... A default state of "since the vehicle was turned on" would be nice.

[@scottleggejr]

So in my diesel, I know a full tank is 684 miles no trailer or about 500 with trailer. Math is pretty easy in 1/4s of 500. How would you do that with an EV?

[@patrickhornacek8593]

@@scottleggejryou’d know your full battery is 123kwh, on the CT for example, and when you drive or tow you know your current miles/kWh or kWh/mile and you can quickly calculate how far you can go on the 123kWh full battery.

[@scottleggejr]

@@patrickhornacek8593 gotcha all I saw in the video was 60%

[@LyionsMountain]

@@scottleggejryou drive a 3.0 duramax is my guess

[@isaksjodin9817]

My 2017 f-150 with the 5.0 pulled 11k through up and down the same pass and only had to press the break twice but I also kept it in second gear the whole time

[@kamerontracy]

I love how people have to be one side or the other. Either you hate EV’s or you love them and hate ICE engines. Why not just enjoy both?

[@-_-_-_-318]

That’s really sweet. But I think it’s because EV’s pose an existential threat to ICE vehicles. I work for a major car company and with the help of the EPA and other government agencies there’s a huge push to completely eliminate gas and diesel engines in the next decade.

[@is6566]

Kumbaya until extinction. 😃 I love how the EV people pretending that there is no push and no mandate to buy EV. They feign ignorance, why can’t we just all love EV, people are not mandated to buy EV. Sure not for about another 6 years. Then after that good luck finding an ICE.

[@wadewilson6628]

Because EVs are horrible for the environment (have you seen a battery factory?) And becuae they are one more step toward the Gov contilling your every move. Oh, you said something negative about the regime? It looks like your car is locked down. Think thays tinfoil hat stuff? It already happened.

[@MichaelM-yt6ww]

@@-_-_-_-318 maybe it’s because the ice vehicles suck compared to EV’s. When the government incentives go away and EV continue to climb in popularity, what will you blame? even your companies are singing the tune at this point

[@-_-_-_-318]

@@MichaelM-yt6ww contrary to your uninformed opinion the EV market is performing like crap and putting car makers in danger.