TFS: Does Tungsten Stick Out Really Matter?

[@garycarroll1965]

I've been welding for 40 years and still, as technology charges, learn something every day thanks to people like you.

[@Pizzafromthepresident]

Shoulda paid more attention in english class.

[@Sassenhaim]

👍🏻

[@mef9327]

@@Pizzafromthepresident *English* should be capitalized as it’s a proper noun. Your so-called “sentence” is also missing a subject (i.e. who “shoulda” paid more attention?). I guess it’s you who should’ve paid more attention in *English* class, doofus.

[@RR31982]

My goal in my welding career is to try to learn something everyday. That will make the difference between a good day and a great day

[@joeshaft]

You make some of the best welding videos Justin. you guys, bob moffat and jodie are my go to for any welding info. you're clarity and straightforward explaination for everything is fantastic, dont lose that quality about your videos!

[@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin]

The best of the best!!! All three not only know their stuff, but they all are excellent instructors!!!

[@Enonymouse_]

same

[@davidwindsand8232]

I agree, the best videos I have watched.!!

[@johanvanderspuy7256]

Say no more....

[@sparksflyingpyro]

Nice videos, used to tig before I lost my index and middle finger on my rod feeder hand and have recently been trying to get back into tig welding again, have to say trying to change which hands are holding the torch and wire have been discouraging to say the least but your videos have inspired me

[@nikoschopshop]

Hey big dawg you ever figure it out?

[@JD-ub5ic]

Wow, respect for admitting where you were a little off and setting up a test in such a way that you couldn’t bias it

[@SasquaPlatypus]

Thanks for setting that up in the CNC and running this. Good to see some straight up scientific comparison. Think I'll go make one of those gauge blocks that's pretty cool!

[@wintonhudelson2252]

Your testing methodology is quite sound, I'm very impressed. You do a good job of stating facts in a way others will understand and retain. Thank you.

[@sveilleux9]

I was always wondering what the stick out rule was. I am just learning how to TIG weld and this was very informative. I learned how stick out matters and also why you would use a different size cup. Thanks!

[@balisticsquirel]

Now run 3 more weld lines at the longer stickout (say 12). One with the torch and cup tilted and pointing 'ahead' of the bead (simulating how most folks weld, feeding rod from the front). One with the cup angled backward (which should blow shielding gas back over the bead and keep it shielded for longer). And one straight up / down as you did here.

[@CJ-ty8sv]

balisticsquirel was thinking the exact same thing. In theory, due to geometry, an angle should technically all for some degree of extra stickout. I dont think it will be much but should. And then there is still the flow variable and turbulence factor related to it.

[@andrewwitcher7432]

Maybe another video with a bunch of different angles.

[@WireWeHere]

Didn't have far to go into the comments to find thoughts of the angled torch effect, 1st one. Hope to see a follow up too. Weld done

[@JesseWright68]

So thankful that this video doesn't have a bunch of loud crappy metal music as a backing track.

[@dankuchar6821]

Great job removing the human from the test!

[@81five]

I do not weld, I dont own a welder. But I think I will be watching all your videos. They are awesome to watch!

[@craigfiles7067]

great feed i'm in Australia & I can't find anyone willing to help with videos so i'd like to say thank you for going out of your way to produce really helpful videos I don't think many people realise how much time & money go into doing what you do

[@WilliamSmith-he4nm]

Your torch has a lot of stick out because it's glad to see you !

[@gregkral4467]

Just from the first impression of the vid, (and I like to speak out prematurely) is that you sometimes need that tungsten stickout as extreme, (with the proper gas lens), if you gotta get your arc close to the joint, an a tight location that you normally cannot reach. There is a reason, and application for it, now i will finish watching the video of this amazing teacher. Cheers!

[@alpayne423]

Thank you for all your help I have learned a lot about tig welding.. I bought the prime weld 225 which I saw on one of your videos I like a lot and I am starting to get better at it

[@phillberthsp]

Wow! I was lost in a sea of videos trying to find why I sucked and you have me dialled in and on my way. The right way!. Thanks

[@admcnich]

I just bought a tig welder, and am teaching myself how to use it. If I have a question, I search in your videos. Thank you for educating me.

[@davidfrank2824]

I absolutely love that gauge that you made. I will try to make myself one tomorrow and see if I can get it on the first try like you did. Thanks for the great information.

[@skotlawrencedesironcustomm8107]

just found your channel. Finally tig tips I can use. Cheers dude.

[@stevesmiley1700]

awsome dude. been welding all my life. never prof. never knew anyone that let me play with there tig. finally got my own. huge help from you bro. really apreciate it.

[@markthomas36]

Been welding for years but new to TIG, I have to say Justin, most impressed with your videos. In fact I think they are so good I’ve subscribed for the first time on anything. Keep it up. Cheers from Australia

[@stevemitchem6041]

Great test. Bottom line, my rule of thumb is what ever works best for you to obtain desired results. Being able to see the puddle and add filler accurately is key.

[@wegmandan]

I'm still working on my aluminum welding. Not really working on free stuff. Only because, I will still suck at welding Aluminum welding. I enjoy what you do. Continue on. And tech us. PLEASE.

[@JCMakerspace]

Very interesting results with your test on stick out. What would be cool to see is cut and etching to see how the weld profiles are on the different samples. Stress testing results would be interesting to see too. And there is always ways to manipulate the gas where you need it to stay too.

[@nickb.6884]

You have an awesome attitude and are still positive. Keep up the good work

[@AgentWest]

Came here for the post-intro "WTF screen", stayed for a rather informative and interesting video :) Couple of tips about the CNC: You can download so-called 'screens' for Mach3. They are in essence different layouts of the controls. My personal favorite is 'Aqua' since it's not as cluttered as the standard screen and it's design is more pleasant to look at. Number two: for some reason after finishing a pass your CNC wend down to Z0. You should add something like this to the end of the code to prevent this: M05 (turn off spindle or whatever machine thinks is spindle) G04 P500 (pause the program for half of a second) M09 (turn off all coolant outputs, possibly gas to the torch) G0 Z1 (quick retraction to 1" or 1mm above surface) M30 (rewind to start of program) It's good to have a simple text file that you can copy/paste from to get all your basic commands for the beginning and end of the code. Do watch out for G43 (cutter length compensation) since it will send the machine to Z plus whatever-the-tool-table-tells-it-that-the-tool-is-long and it will start working in the air instead of in/on the part. It looks like we are using same software and controller, so if you have any questions then feel free to ask! One more note: another interesting thing is that on that particular controller there are two on/off outputs for spindle, one for CW and one for CCW. They are turned on by M03 and M04 and are both turned off by M05 in the G-code. That means that you can have two attachments on the machine and have it do two things one after another. For example, you can set up the machine to lay a bead with a welder, wait couple minutes for the bead to cool, and pass over it to spray some rust preventative from a can that's activated by a servo.

[@jonnya6107]

Great vid and info Justin, its something I've always kinda wondered about, but never really got the chance to test out, especially to the degree of accuracy which you have here, which is more than adequate imho. I deffo am with you on going between the 12 and the 8, 8 looks the best to me in this example. It would interesting to see what that same setup would come out like using number 10 stickout. Just FYI, and maybe other folk's too, as a "speed setup" thing, the way I've always set my tungsten is to leave the tungsten loose in the torch while I rest the bottom edge of the cup on a flat surface, the tungsten also of course is down on that same flat surface, it being loose. I then rock the torch either forward or back as needed, eyballing the angles as I do so until the cup and the tungsten create an equilateral triangle like something like this, but "squarer" /\ in relation to the flat surface, (or an "X" type shape - basically you're looking for 90 and 45 degree angles if that makes sense). It's then just a case of nipping down the collet and you're done - with parctice I find it's pretty accurate and can be done in just a few seconds (about 5 or less at a guess, never timed it though)

[@ReshardsAutomotiveWorkshop]

That's a lot of work for an experiment. Thank you.

[@stevesloan6775]

Really awesome! I purchased an acZdc Tig over a week ago and haven’t fired it up yet. All I’ve been doing is watching all your videos. Thanks heaps for your uploads. The only down side is I’m from Australia and we us the metric system. That block you made transcends all systems of scale. 🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀🍀🍀

[@inthermheat8599]

Thank you for all your knowledge, Justin

[@ruzbehmusic]

Geat video, very usefulI, filled with good information. I don't always get to weld, so whenever I get notified of a TSF video posted I listen and absorb any info you put out there. When I finally gey a chance to weld, I think of what was said in those videos, the new information, and reminders gives me a better plan of action, in m y practices, and helps me consistently become a better welder... Keep them vids coming. Surely is a big help. Thanks!

[@josh234man]

Finally a good video that answers the question.

[@beerturbogarage]

hey mate. ive just got an AC welding machine and watching all your videos. this is an interesting tip I've never thought to do even with my stainless TIG days. I made one tonight from a block of wood and it turns out ive been using to little stick out all this time. cheers.

[@ricksturdevant2901]

Yeah, I started welding in 1978 and I totally agree with Gary

[@CaptainSwoop]

You're a very good instructor. I just wish I could think as fast as you deliver. Very helpful ... Thanks!

[@gafrers]

For this CNC application the straight torch would be IDEAL. Great Video

[@mikeprestridgefreedom]

I'm new to your channel Justin and I must say you have one of the best Welding channels on you tube. I will start digging in to your videos from now on! Thx Justin.

[@susanfinch2388]

Thanks for this info Justin. You always produce excellent videos and I've been doing this for over 25 years now and I still end up watching your videos, Bob Moffat's and Jody's vid's after I get in from a shift. Always learning mate. Keep up the good work my friend. Top Man 😎

[@jonathanmurray6368]

12 looks best I think no heat problem thank always learning I started awhile ago couple years about 30 years I started stick and never stopped 1933 Chevy frame to a 1955 Chevy front. End assemble thanks never stop learning thank you

[@geoffwatson9607]

Susan Finch on of the best people to watch if you don’t know what you’re doing

[@BroadslideDrift]

Cool video! May have been worth mentioning that the number on the cup is the cup measurement in 16ths of an inch. So people will know what their cup measures without having to search it or write it down

[@Texasbluecollarsolutions]

Cool thanks for the info. Learning to tig. Using an OLD SCHOOL P&H welder.

[@hughsundelowitz9084]

All your video's are extremely helpfully, every time I watch your video's I learn something new. Regards Hugh South Africa

[@mrfix1565]

Just got my first tig thanks for this info will definitely look back over your over tips

[@mikewalton5469]

great stuff. it was great to see the test. i was really surprised by the results. i'll be extending my tungstens out further, as i used to go slightly shorter stick out than recommended. now that i seen the test, my thoughts have changed- nice work

[@Ryan_1997]

I just have youtube. great vid man. I start my weldin classes in fall. and will be purchasing a tig welder really soon. I'll be sure to remember these tips. thank you👍

[@weldingjunkie]

Ryan gst check out the HTP Invertig 221 great welder for tig

[@freshstart3555]

Just found your channel. Great videos man. Very thorough, direct and to the point. Thanks for taking the time to make them.

[@ernestmurphy3898]

I like your big brother teaching approach.

[@musinou]

Really interesting, I really need to see things like this to accept any rules. I really like your channel. I am an Arduino coder, musician and artist and starting to do metal work. Just got a TIG setup for my welder. I was really pleased to find a channel that uses Arduino and welding, I am a fan.

[@richardfuller2326]

Great idea on the depth gauge. Really enjoy your videos.

[@derlar777]

Another great video thanks. It's these details that help understand the how's and why's as i am new to Tig welding. Lots to absorb for a first timer as even basic settings can be difficult when you cannot understanding the problem and need to correct technique or setting adjustments.

[@gardenofedenfruit]

Great vid as usual, think I was using too little stick out on stainless tube, now I will try this aproach next time , thanks

[@ericlong3792]

I’ve been wanting that Fupa 12 to try on stainless. Awesome video learned alot

[@bennyshanley2106]

I’m a pipe welder and find walk-in the cup distributes the heat better for me . Flick of the wrist . Cool experiment. !

[@peteraugust5295]

was I missing something or was there no gas flow mentioned in the whole video? How much gas do you use with 25mm of stick out?!

[@reignitionautomotive8281]

He covers this in another video. Cup number x 2 = minimum cfh to run.

[@marsattacks3455]

Yes and also the blanket behind it will help keep coverage over the weld and flow from cup. Argon is heavier than air. And will fill the area as long as it's covered.

[@MH-rb7lp]

Awesome video, thanks for taking the time to make it along with all of your other ones.

[@mr.know_it_all]

I really appreciate these videos, getting any info from stuck up welders is impossible, it’s very cool what you are doing. 8.8 narrowing was my favorite so far.

[@Adam-b8i]

Interesting tests. It would be cool to see a similar test with one cup at a typical stick out, but several flow rates. I’d like to know at what point you’re wasting gas with the bigger nicer gas lens setups, and if it’s possible to make them aspirate ambient shop air into the weld like you can with a smaller standard cup.

[@brapbrapmafucka]

Thats what im thinking as well

[@glennr-qy9ve]

😊great video cool that you explain everything

[@justinbruner3665]

Those pyrex cups 🤤 beautiful. That would come in handy for all these firetruck Ariels I work on. Keep up the great videos!

[@Sam..Omg..]

love your videos and want to add on this one ,, repeat the test but with the proper cup per stickout

[@davek1369]

Great tip on the stick out block.

[@amacleitch]

Ive been welding for years, your videos are really great. You're doing the experiments and tackling questions that i've always been curios about but never followed through. Ive learned a lot. Thank you for putting the time and effort in to spread the knowedge!

[@redhotrod3852]

Very good, well done. We take so much of our welding for granted. Your scientific approach plants a lot of knowledge seeds for future use. Plug me in for the drawing, I'm already a bell ringer.

[@SWhite-hp5xq]

Good stuff mate. Any chance you could do the same with the relevant cup sizes and with the cup slightly angled? Love to see the results of this too for comparison. Cheers also for the time and effort you put into your channel. Ive learned a great deal from you and have applied quite few techniques. Keep up the great work 👍🏽

[@mxwizzard]

Interesting good to know thanks for setting up your CNC to weld with

[@ironken1796]

Well done as always. Shame that your CNC has failed to the point that you had to re purpose to testing duty.......it is pretty cool for that.

[@mikebecket7458]

Very good illustration it helps a lot and very interesting to be sure...great job

[@Thebutteredsausage]

Great job! It's a science with lots of variables..thanks for making this video!👍

[@pamelacrichton2265]

Very good knowledge of Tig welding. I enjoy the video and you sharing your knowledge. I am a welding and fabricating tutor at New Zealand Welding School and good learning new ideas from others like yourself. Awesome.

[@BC-ni3sk]

Justin, you rock! Your explanations are very helpful and informative.

[@johnnyfrederick7894]

Very helpful for a beginner! Since I’m a beginner. Thank you

[@andrewjordan8445]

im just about to purchase a STRATA AC/DC tig and Im looking forward to putting your instruction to the test. I have ARC, MIG and GAS welded before but never TIG. Wish me luck :)

[@joshuasherman3892]

Nice video as always!! Thanks for showing the gauge block, I'm gonna make one for myself cause it's so handy!

[@northerniltree]

When I stick my neck out too far, I usually get into too much heat too.

[@jazbuh1794]

Dude, this vidz are Great, keep up the good work. I only MIG right now but I am using all your videos to be ready for when I get a TIG machine.

[@hillbillyxjstyle161]

thanks brother for the time this was a real good test

[@drones4L45]

Just learning to tig I purchased all needed to get started watching your vids is very helpful and educational i don't care for the long cups mine came with what number cup is good for a beginner on the short cups im using a 6 on the longer cup now your input is appreciated thanks in advance

[@PerformanceDesignFab]

I agree you're results are very interesting. I run similar stick out to your usual standards, but I'll try a little less on tubing and see how it turns out. Thanks for all your guys hard work, it's help motivate me to get back into fabricating again after a very long back injury recovery from the Army. Oh and just so you know my shop hat is looking pretty prime for a replacement ;-) #loveFUPAcups

[@junkcarreviews5390]

Thanks Justin, this video helped

[@grege2383]

Very nice video, my only suggestion is running 15-20cfh which my understanding is what most people run.

[@19672701]

Gonna have to get me a Fupa,always wanted to try them.

[@jameskauffman8405]

Thanks for this video. Very interesting and I'm guessing I'm to late for the give-a-way.

[@Turbogto_guy]

I haven’t even watched this but last night I was tigging and wondering about this. So thanks for the video!

[@wht240sxka]

Smart guy. Thanks for the cool tests.

[@PaulTompson]

Many thanks for such excellent advice and demonstrating of skills, is outstanding

[@muthafacka23]

Great video ! but i kind of miss test of the stickout lenght with the small cup like 8... maybe next time

[@superdave2112]

I welded a crappy cast exhaust port/flange (Harley-Davidson Shovelhead) with a #10 and a ton of stick out in the beginning, until I got the deep part filled, then went to about 3/8" stick out. I bet I was 5/8" or more in the beginning. I turned up the argon flow to about 35. Don't know if it mattered. Nasty metal.

[@greenmonster1250]

Really great advice you give out on this stuff

[@ronwatson4902]

Great video Justin! I'm just learning about tig welding and you seem to be world class!Wordering how much stick up you run on that hair...Just playing

[@ChrisWojnarski]

Good video as always Justin . Enjoyed the live video with you and crummy the other day that was cool would be cool to see more or that. Thank for video no your a busy guy trying to keep up with everything 🙏👊🏻

[@chrisstratton3430]

The very first thing I found was I could not see the puddle at the recommended lengths when I first started TIG. These were recommendations by the so-called "pros". Therefore when I first tried welding my results were miserable. Useless info then I'd say. I've found that most people who sit back on 'the right way to do it" or "the industry standard blah blah blah"... are useless or worse, wrong. Experimental evidence - experience - this is how we get results. We investigate the "givens". Great work indeed.

[@tommybrown9034]

Great job... Well worth watching, and very intuitive. Thanks

[@bryanrayburn4495]

I could use a #12 Furic if your giving them away. As long as you have shielding gas to protect it. Good job btw.

[@antasasas]

Good stuff. I'm trying to get in Tig as well. Thanks for your videos. Like 👍

[@thecrazykartbyAJ]

I love your videos man, they are so informative !! Cheers on them and regards from Germany

[@projectcars]

Great video !! You answer me real questions with concrete numbers, very usefull videos for me, congrats!

[@rexsheldon1042]

Just learning how to dig, this was helpful

[@rwright_sk8031]

As a new comber this is some awesome info. Gotta get my welder up and running. I come from a stick welding so this is going to be interesting lol. But luv the videos!

[@phineas853]

I'm surprised that the high frequency didn't mess with your CNC machine.

[@alext8828]

JSYK, that segment at circa 4 min in had great audio. Even the music. If you had switched to a different piece of equipment, make a note. It works well.

[@bzeug]

Interesting comparison. Thank you.

[@paulmorrey733]

Thanks Justin