Thank god for overwatch 2...

[@doctoroppa7991]

Ow1 were the low were lows and the high were highs. + W teamwork. Ow2 the lows are still pretty low, but the highs are no longer really high. + L teamwork Sadge

[@quote_ow]

W COMMENT

[@batosalangit1438]

OW2 where lows are lows and highs? what highs? you're getting games from high Elo!?

[@Absts4ct]

Honestly, I would rather have my average games that are mid but still enjoyable than endure for 15 games and have a legendary game when stars aligned. If I want a sense of relief the 6v6 overwatch gives me, I'll just hold my pee for as long as I can.

[@damianateiro]

I prefer my games to be mediocre but enjoyable rather than being shit or legendary, with no middle ground

[@he.5865]

Only played ow2. Ngl this looks pretty shit in comparison.

[@JupitersJump]

I bet bastions felt so cozy sitting behind 89 shields bruh

[@maxerko]

6v6 never or remove double shields . that bastion play is insaanely boring . how could people play it wtf

[@scumknight6074]

All they had to do was restrict double shield and balance a few supports. That’s literally it.

[@ExclusiveExcellence]

It was nice ngl

[@facundocenturion184]

The best time to main bastion

[@scegex6500]

@@maxerko its not like it actually worked lol. remember bastion couldnt move in that time all it took was one clever flank from a team

[@WillOfTheFungalNetwork]

How did they rework orissa from being the most annoying, pace slowing, unkillable character into the most annoying, pace slowing, unkillable character, honestly its impressive

[@artimist0315]

At least now you can kill her team I guess ?

[@sobervision1049]

​@@artimist0315 which would be true if Supports werent the true final bosses of OW now

[@EstebanSarmiento-gs6sl]

Orisa is garbage now easily countable

[@WillOfTheFungalNetwork]

@@EstebanSarmiento-gs6sl i mean they have a 54% win rate in gm I don't think they're that bad

[@artimist0315]

@@sobervision1049 IDK what y'all were expecting but supports are actual heroes, not target practice, it's normal for them to be able to defend themselves. And it's really not that hard to pressure a squishy in OW2, you need to be a bit more tricky with your timing and positioning, but supports are still much easier to kill than most DPS and all tanks, you just spend more time pressuring them than shooting at shields and cluster of people. Supports still have a much higher ttk than dps so they really aren't favoured to win the dual, but I guess overwatch 1 supports just made it so easy to kill them that actually having to try feels weird

[@Levi_LS]

bap immortality looks like a large reason this shit worked

[@fadetoblackened4407]

Bap immo and orisa shield’s nonexistent cooldown

[@scegex6500]

it was the only reason. without bap immortality they are all dead cuz the shields went down instantly

[@thijmstickman8349]

AOI healing, shield and bap lamp killed OW. Defensive utility sucks

[@jacobsotorios8886]

​@@scegex6500 double shield still works without bap. Go home. Your time of gaming is over

[@Archy_The-Wizard]

​@@jacobsotorios8886 It's a LOT less effective without bap. Lamp is a third shield, it's actually even better than that because you have to aim to hit it, and it may not even be in LOS. It's the difference between being able to do any meaningful damage after breaking / otherwise bypassing the shields or giving them time to reposition / recharge shields. Not to mention all the nerfs immortality got since then.

[@lykzzz__]

Seeing this now its actually insane seeing how many shit was going on at the same time and we felt like it was normal 💀

[@Pes._]

It was amazing. Easily the best part of the game

[@CasualCat64]

@@Pes._don’t lie

[@Pes._]

@@CasualCat64 some of us got a thing called adhd bro

[@CasualCat64]

@@Pes._ visual clutter has nothing to do with adhd

[@Pes._]

@@CasualCat64 we talking about ow1 not 0.8 with kirko/Lw ult, zarya "enchanced" particle beam, mauga sun shooting miniguns etc etc

[@Emistres]

This is peak overwatch, modern day lacks the true feeling of doing nothing for 30 seconds just for your tank to explode because their shield broke!

[@FallenQueenOfCrows]

nah now we just explode before we get our shield broken

[@abdx8752]

Almost like all u had to was nerf 2 tanks for the game to be fun again. Or we go to this shit format where supports have to be broken to keep their one tank alive because there no longer is an offtank to peel. That’s more fun

[@lukassorowka2672]

Wdym peak overwatch, this video is the embodiment of pain for me as a rein main

[@BaggerFood101]

@@lukassorowka2672you are part of the issue as a rein main. I think if they buff up doom fist and ball they could make a really good solution to double shields. Sure the tanks can sit behind their shields but how long can their supports stay hidden?

[@BaggerFood101]

@@lukassorowka2672but over watch 2 is different I think you will thrive with 6v6. You can be a mobile double shield with sigma, or a juggernaut escorting a juiced up samoan. A lot of things need to happen to make 6v6 great but, in its current state I think 6v6 would be better than what we have now.

[@JohnnyLance101]

Honestly looking back at OW1 made me realize how impressive the casters were to keep up with all that

[@PatrickArcato]

And why the league failed 😂 goats followed by this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Someguy-i2g]

@@PatrickArcatothat’s not why the league failed goofy 😂

[@PatrickArcato]

@@Someguy-i2g Goofy? Are you 8?

[@dotnet9830]

​@@PatrickArcatothere are so many reasons why the league failed. It was doomed from the beginning. Stupid city team names, hard to watch, boring metas list goes on.

[@PatrickArcato]

@@dotnet9830 Boring metas are the reason, who would waste their time like that?

[@Hyoutonbr]

There are a billion ways of solving the issues with this meta and blizzard literally chose the laziest one

[@mryellow6918]

not only the laziest but the worse. instead of nerfing it they have broken the tank role and its not repairable unless they go back, but they will never go back because then that means they are admitting overwatch 2 was a cash grab

[@tloyp2584]

it may have been the easy way out in the short term. but in the long term, it has caused them to fundamentally rework the entire game multiple times by now. 5v5 caused them to soft/hard rework half of the tanks, create passives for every role that were broken on some heroes and useless on others, increase the health of every character and mess up most breakpoints, and it has forced the game to turn into a constant brawl with a ridiculous amount of sustain. and they chose to add more immortality effects. what a joke

[@Kuro1kazuchi]

@@mryellow6918How would that mean admitting that ow2 was a cashgrab? They could just say they realize it isn’t better for the game or the community.

[@bruhmomento7563]

@@Kuro1kazuchibc ow2 was for pve and balancing They have removed the pve and by removing the 5v5 balancing, they admit ow2’s existence was/is obsolete

[@vhyles]

They wanted to convert the monetization model, and earn more corporate cash, hence the 2 after OW. It's as simple as that.

[@rockeater64]

always felt more like a balance issue than a tank synergy issue

[@ashonline77]

It was a balance issue but you know what people still think the old team was somehow better at balancing than the current. I'm guilty of this as well cause of last patch but gotta admit the old team was just as bad if not worse.

[@RD-um9dy]

It was a sigma, bap, and brig issue. Those three heroes ruined the game

[@conrad03]

​@@RD-um9dy it blows my mind that this isn't obvious to more people. at least 90% of hero additions have been a net negative for the game, and only added to create the most shallow hype + keep things "interesting". bring back 2016 ow

[@mrzee435]

same with 5v5 it can work, its just balance was garbo

[@uberhaxornovanongalaktiksk9798]

​@@ashonline77 the balancing team is the same today I think and they are just as bad now as they were in ow1. They do not know at all how to balance the game.

[@Mitchel6489]

If you listen carefully. its not even the shields that are the problem. Its Bap's lamp. Which is still in the game btw and it isnt an Ult. It would make better sense if it was an ult.

[@judebrown3588]

Blizzard could've literally dropped Ram instead of echo and the problem would've been solved years ago. Also double shield was a Baptiste problem because we can clearly see the shields are broken pretty easily but the lamp buys 5 extra seconds to get all CD's and recharge back, the comp was nothing without bap and people refuse to admit it

[@bourbiespeedrun]

Idk if Ram would actually had fix double shield, His ult would have maybe been useless considering he's getting blocked by shield and his fist with 2 tanks will not do that much imo

[@judebrown3588]

@@bourbiespeedrun Back then Orisa could be headshot in fortify and didn't get overhealth when using it, she was considerably less tanky, and sigma can't block the punches either, the point of Ram wouldn't be for his ult, it would be to bypass the shields easily forcing CD's like bap lamp AND being able to break it through shields. Pair that with Lucio speed, Zarya to bubble him or Sig to cover him. That brawl style of comp would've easily crushed double shield out of the meta, but Blizzard doesn't like to think. They even confirmed they had the heroes ready for years but kept them in thier back pocket so there's no excuse why they didn't release him over echo. Also Ram ult would be surprisingly effective since Orisa shield was stationary leaving only Sig shield as the main threat, Ram's main priority would be attacking the supports and dps leaving the tanks helpless to defend the team

[@bourbiespeedrun]

@@judebrown3588 Oh yeah you're right I forgot some things mb, but it actually just would have been putting a new meta and forcing Ram in every comp games but yeah now that the game is dead hard to see what impact would have really been

[@heyyou9903]

@@judebrown3588 while Ram would be good against shields he might get shredded by bastion before he could get good effectiveness in

[@proof2864]

@@heyyou9903 he would 100% get shredded before he even took a step near their tanks.

[@sunset4453]

that sigma barrier without the 2 second cooldown felt so good to use, it was easier to block shatter, can reposition it much quickly, and the hp, it was so busted

[@upsidedowndoggo3242]

Yes double shield was bad, but I haven’t seen coordination like this in OW2 ever. The level of coordination in OW1 was what made the game feel so lively, and now that is definitely gone.

[@bambampewpew32]

EXACTLY

[@chiefkief791]

@zeldacerezaNah tank synergy was so painful in ow1. Masters was a cancerous rank. Just meta slaves. The second an OWL team plays Winston zarya, the whole rank copies it. There actually was no counterplay to it, that Winston will jump into the middle of a team, for free, sleep, brig stun, mcree nade, nothing. There were so many comps like that where map control for the other roles did not matter. Even if map control did matter, it was for the tanks, not the other roles, the tank controls the off angles, main, everything. Imo it was actually terrible when everyone got good. Now dps are expected to take off angles as soon as possible, even some supports. Even brawl comps, the dps or supports take off angles.

[@Aon_Duine]

Nothing has been as bad as the recent Mauga meta. That was completely brain-dead. This needed a lot of actual teamwork. Dive is another cool play style. Hard to sync up, but when you get it becomes extremely fun

[@banter2143]

​@@Aon_Duine mauga is goats as a character

[@bc6607]

OW2 is just death match with extra steps. Can't even remember the last time anyone joined vc in OW2 lol

[@Simplechioces]

The good old days where teams didn’t fold as quickly.

[@Kenichitr]

not being able to play rein/zarya , dva/winston is really making me sad.

[@Cruxis_Angel]

I miss double bubble so much. Quit tank after S1 of OW2. Just never felt as fun as 6v6. I need monke zarya

[@hellixmania3404]

Be missing my tank buddy

[@DaRocketGuy]

play open queue, the og way to play ow

[@hellixmania3404]

@@DaRocketGuy it's just not the same

[@jacobsotorios8886]

Not being able to play sigma/orisa really makes me sad

[@notlazyturtle]

double tank is legit more fun to play as/against than 1 tank

[@therockfan10001]

The reality is not that 6v6 was an issue, the end of Overwatch 1 was an issue. If the game remained getting updates (just like early Overwatch with sym and torb), we could have still seen the Orisa rework and bastion rework. Bunker would be literally removed from the game. And the shield spam would have openings because every other shield is a resource, not a cooldown. Even ramattra is a lesson learned that a shield duration must exist like bubble.

[@primalinea682]

All of these clips are from 2019-2020 (double shield meta)

[@cuppy1199]

It wasnt even the shield, it was the baptiste that made everything work, it was a cycle, sheild, sig suck and fortify, then bap lamp while all the cds came back, the bap was the issue, insane aoe heals, (which got buffed in ow2 thanks blizz) good dmg, insane ult for teamfights

[@markbo3251]

I think it was the DPS more so than the shield, as someone who used to play rein at the start of double shields, the problem felt less like Orisa/Sigma couldn't die and more that if you didn't have both of them, you just exploded. I think if they had nerfed the damage, the comp would have fallen apart since rush/dive would have been able to close the distance without being deleted.

[@revolution_ow379]

@@markbo3251this is a terrible take because the buffed damage so bad after inflating the amount of sustain by a billion and creating goats. In their ultimate wisdom, even from the time of ana world of tanks and Moira Proto goats they thought damage was the counter to this and to goats. The devs are idiots. The damage was so high because sustain was so high, and they refused to rework shit like brig or Moira or orisa or sig. bap brig was just the final nail in the coffin as in it was the most miserable of everything Overwatch had to offer… the stupefying sustains and the reliance on insane burst dmg to get any kills or break shields. Nerfing damage without ggoijg to the root would just make the DPS role even more useless (was already useless at that point) that’s why u saw a lot of these clips mainly bastion mei and snipers.

[@NotniwOW2]

Overwatch Classic: You Could Not Live with Your Own Failure, Where Did that Bring You? Back to Me

[@michajaworowicz8923]

Most people miss rein/zarya or winston/dva, but I miss playing with my best friend all the weird duos, like hog/zarya , dva/sigma , rein/ball, etc. I mean, we also miss playing classic tank combos, but we loved doing crazy stuff and try to both do our own thing as our picked characters, and synergise as much as we could at the same time. Enabling an aggresive hog hook with a bubble or *cleansing* an anti'ed roadhog by ana's grenade was a much more fair thing to do than nowadays kiriko's suzu imo. I would explain every other small thing that you would do with any other 'weird' tank combo, but that was peak gameplay for me and my friend. Now all of the main cast got either giga buffed to the point where their gameplay lost their charm and feeling of being reawrded by winning (I can just shield bot as rein and never die, or use dva's matrix for an entire team fight and never die, and hold self-heal on hog and never die) or they lost their identity because there is no second tank (ball). Now I just play only junkerqueen and sometimes doomfist (also bring dps doomfist back) and despite the fact that thery're more like big dpses than tanks, they're for me the only two characters in the tank role rn that reward you for your skill and game knowledge, and not just beefy stats. And of course it's my take, anyone should play any character they want and have fun with, it's just a game, some characters' mains may complain that their hero is the most skill required than any other one and it's fine, that is just how I feel about playing tank in ow2 in its current state.

[@HVDynamo]

Agreed. The comp shown in this video just needed some balancing, that's it. OW1 wasn't perfect for sure, but I did have more fun playing it than I do OW2, and that remains today. I think OW1 was actually best just before Role Queue was introduced.

[@__bambooz]

>I can just shield bot as rein and never die no offense but what rank are u (genuine question)

[@charlestonjew7587]

Exactly, the first year or two of OW1 was a blast because it was casual-friendly and allowed for some really creative and clever gameplay. Matches were a lot less predictable and the "META" didn't really become a thing until Role Queues and OWL, which was a huge mistake on every level. OW2 is the definition of homogeny, boring and predictable.

[@muysli.y1855]

Remove 1 Tank make Supports way stronger expecially ana and kiriko

[@wombo7432]

Hog Zarya meat grinder was OP

[@GiveMeTheRice]

nostalgia is absolutely the only reason people want this again

[@mastervule1844]

Idk who is saying they want "This" back, but people are sad they broke the 6v6 for no other reason but to change stuff up cause OW2 needed something different. I played OW for nearly 3 years, and during that time, double shield meta wasn't a thing

[@zilliq-qz5uw]

​@@mastervule1844 when double shield stopped being a thing GOAT started being a thing, that's when I left, I came back when the finally took the right decision to go 5v5

[@scmow]

This is an issue of hero design, not the 2nd tank. Feels bad man.

[@dmitrychirkov4206]

or just let them stay overtuned, but give all dps additional tactical charges. That would make them so dynamic, so they would be able to stand up to double tanks

[@Bismarck9871]

​@dmitrychirkov4206 i am like wouldn't it be easier to make all shields just reduce the damage that goes trought them ao they are not just a net denial but still give a lot of protection and block projectiles and hooks

[@pasteldreams5413]

say it louder for the people in the back. 6v6 was never the issue. it was blizzard's dogsh!t design and balance philosophy that is still running rampant to this day. this is why my friends and i dont play this game no mo

[@TheShapingSickness]

It is a second tank issue. You either nerf shields so they're not great when having two, meaning having one is even worse. Or you can no longer design heroes with shields.

[@scmow]

@@TheShapingSickness Brother my whole youtube channel is dedicated to this. Its not the tanks.

[@beanjuice6012]

You will rarely, almost never, see this much teamwork and coordination in Ow2 0:30

[@Somejaun]

And you rarely saw it back then either

[@TeHzoAr]

And it's a better game for it

[@beanjuice6012]

@@Somejaun depends, what rank were you?

[@Noobish_Camper55]

The reason there is 1 tank is because Blizzard was running with a minimal support attitude doing next to nothing for patches or attempts to change meta. It was only number changes for 3 years, and 2 of those years were 1 patch every 3-4 months which is a dead game. Team 4 gave up.

[@dreamWatcher-2]

They could’ve added a new stat that gave certain heroes weapons a bonus damage multiplier on shields (i.e 1.5x for junkrat or 1.3x for pharah) giving them another roll they could’ve filled. Instead we have the extremely repetitive gameplay loop of “tank looks at tank until one tank stops breathing, repeat”

[@connor.chan.jazzman]

6v6 could work if they either got rid of most shields or maybe created a tank passive that decreases the shield health drastically when you add a second shield tank

[@BeastMode-bw2ry]

Or actually just balance the heroes that cause this meta?? Sigma, bap, and brig.

[@defaultdan7923]

you know, i’m honestly not opposed to this idea. it’s surprisingly intuitive that more shields would mean less health shields, almost like it’s a resource that needs to be split.

[@connor.chan.jazzman]

@@defaultdan7923 Yep, and it would eliminate the need for weird strict role restrictions, hero bans, and unneeded reworks. You'd still be able to use shields for plays whether it be saving a teammate, blocking a ton of burst damage, giving your team cover to advance forward, but the resource of the shield itself would be more limited. It'd probably lead to a lil more tank synergy of properly timing shields to go one after the other. They could also toy with shields like sigmas or ramattra disappearing after a while. Theres a lot of changes that could be make but I think making shield health a resource that gets split when more shields are present could be interesting

[@defaultdan7923]

@@connor.chan.jazzman yeah, the obtuse role restrictions suggestion is the one i never understood. encourage creativity by restricting the ability of tanks to work together, brilliant. not to mention how awful it would be for new players to learn that they can’t run certain characters together, and not know why. it’s just clunky.

[@AquaPurePearlVoice]

I've been saying this exact thing for years!

[@strombo530]

Paladins has a balance. You could run a full team of tanks and it wouldn't cement your win. With the item system, shields can easily be delt with, especially in the late game, you also sacrifice a healer, so your teamwork has to be impeccable to really pull off the strategy, that and tanks are usually well balanced. In overwatch 2, whenever I play open queue and the whole enemy team goes tanks, it's so frustrating because you can feel the lack of balance as there will be little teamwork, yet you are still getting steamrolled by a full stack of tanks that basically have everything.

[@muysli.y1855]

Yea this is what i talk since Ow1 double Shield we need Item/Ticket system like in League or Paladins Something to deal with such comp maybe you can have 2 of 5 upgrade which you can can equip. Gives you bonus against Shield, Heal, Overhealth or lifesteal, movement speed out of combat.

[@saturnGT10]

I miss the old comp with stars, I miss loot boxes, I miss having 2 tanks... I miss OG Overwatch

[@masift1494]

It was god awful lmao, good riddance

[@charlestonjew7587]

@@masift1494 lol enjoy season 9. Roles are arbitrary and pointless in OW2.

[@Hachishaku-Sama]

Nah, you guys are just being unnecessarily nostalgic for a time long gone, because you know it will never come back. Double tank was utter nightmare, and this is coming from a tank main role. It prolongs matches and makes them feel so stagnated.

[@saturnGT10]

old comp was def 100x better no one can change my mind@@Hachishaku-Sama

[@Hachishaku-Sama]

@@saturnGT10 That’s okay, I’m not looking to change your mind. That is your opinion and you should stick by it. And it is my opinion that 6v6 was a clusterfuck shit show of shields and stagnated matches. It’s not the end of the world.

[@alexanderson4543]

Top 0.5% gameplay is why we don't have two tanks anymore

[@JustaLamborghiniCountachWhoCom]

They cater to the higher ranked players and not the majority of the playerbase. Feels bad man.

[@VIMANAAA]

Bunker was used in plat too I don’t know what you guys are talking about

[@bamboozledpotat]

⁠they’ve always catered towards the top comp players, hell they still do

[@xRichieeex]

They easily could have either put Sigma on a long redeploy timer, Or changed lamp to have less hp or a longer CD. There's so many answers we could have tried instead of removing a tank. I miss playing in tank duos with my partner. OW will never been the same without 2 tanks.

[@penrilfake]

Problem is mostly that the tank population was already dwindling a looot. Queues were 15-20 minutes for your average metal rank DPS, and it only got worse the more you went into the low and high extremes of the SR curve. Nerfing the tanks would only make them feel worse to play. They would have needed a ridiculous amount of systematic changes to the entire DPS roster for that to happen. There's a lot of rose tinted nostalgia for OW1, and I have some myself tbh, but I do honestly believe the 5v5 model has more potential for balance. Yes, it is currently annoying to be counter-swapped by the entire team, but I think that problem is potentially easier to solve than the dilemma surrounding oppressive tank synergies vs low tank population in OW1.

[@xRichieeex]

@@penrilfake it’s not rose tinted glasses if the game was genuinely better and I believe that’s pure facts . OW1 captured the hearts of millions and won game of the year . OW2 is a worse product in every way in terms of presentation, gameplay, interactions, mechanics, synergies. You have lost many more ways to play in ow2 than OW1 . A term you see thrown around a lot now is that the game is watered down. Having less ways to play will always be worse experience hands down. OW2 is not and will never be a better game than ow1 in its current state.

[@SqiddoGD]

@zeldacereza5v5 has made every character and role playable, not the other way around, you can literally one-trick any hero to top 100 rn. That just simply wasn’t possible in 6v6. „Team games“ can only ever go so far before they deny agency and therefore fun from the individual. Ofc it sucks to be counterswapped and the disproportionate value of it needs (and can) be adjusted. But it’s still better then feeling like you have no other means of outplaying the enemy when you’re getting rolled. In fact, I’m even gonna argue that the problem with 6v6 was the fact that it was Team play oriented, that certain tanks could cover each others weaknesses. Heroes should have weaknesses and there should always be room for utilizing those weaknesses, it just has to require enough skill to do so. 5v5 is definitely not perfect. And requires a ton of reworks. But it is still the change the game needed to survive and has a lot more potential than 6v6.

[@BeastMode-bw2ry]

@JCon.G not only is that a lot of cope but your wrong about one tricks because not matter how many characters slots we lose there will always be a one trick who just wants to play their favorite character no matter what.

[@SqiddoGD]

@@BeastMode-bw2ry but will they be able to succeed the same way as in 5v5? In 6v6 the individual agency and carry potential is so reduced, that when you get to a certain rank like top 500, any non-meta characters have it even harder finding alternative value that justifies their hero pick, as seen in the extremes like goats or double shield.

[@ethan24572]

I’m not going to lie though. Those were some of the funnest team fights I’ve ever been in. If they could find a good middle ground between these long fights and the short ones if OW2 that would be great

[@Yilue]

I wasnt really into overwatch but I got back into it about just over a year before overwatch 2 and I really enjoyed some of the combos you could do with tanks. Some simple stuff like having your rein charge into a bunch of enemies and make sure you shield him at the right time with zarya.

[@agentmaryland1239]

I feel like this argument falls flat on its face anymore because Orisa no longer has shield. Best you could do these days is run a Rein and Sigma, but the Rein would probably get run over by Ram+Bastion, leaving the rest of the team wide open to be wiped.

[@Accuaro]

Deleting a whole tank role was truly, absolutely, without a doubt, definitively, positively the right choice. I mean, what was Blizzard to do, TRY and fix double shield? PREPOSTEROUS!!! BLIZ HAD TO delete a tank role!

[@quote_ow]

SURELY they couldnt just change a thing a two or add hero bans

[@ChimpRevolution]

I know it's not like orisa one of the main culprits had her shield removed or something 🤔

[@contract_kilo]

Completly agree. People are so delusional, nobody liked this when we were there, nobody liked shooting shield for the whole game and getting cc every 2 secondes, but suddenly this "coordination" was so fun ?? But bro, just balance the tanks lul. Does nobody remember the 30-60 min dps queue ? And your solution to make more people play tank would be to nerf them ? Only 1 tank now, and they're way more impactful than before, and yet tank is still the fastest queue in most rank. But surely 2 tanks would work right ?

[@muysli.y1855]

My Hope hero ban comming to Overwatch2 i will 100% Bann Ana (my ow1 main) and Kiriko they desverd it. If there is a Team Ana, Kiriko against other Supports we know which side have a higher winrate

[@xanderarmstrong6198]

@@contract_kilo I feel insane reading all of the comments who want 6v6 back.

[@ThatsNoisyBoy]

You brought back some really fond memories man, I think I agree with you that id rather have double shield, goats, or triple tank, or just overwatch 1 back rather than overwatch 2. Thank you for this man it was really cool to see the past again :)

[@quote_ow]

Glad you enjoyed

[@quote_ow]

btw this isnt me shitting on OW1 as some believe if people watched to the end they would know dont hate on me just dug up some old clips +1 nostalgia point

[@fadetoblackened4407]

A lot of these clips had me really confused because they’re genuinely good clips, like the architect jump

[@bambampewpew32]

ow1 man :(

[@mirekasukukurayuki430]

We need OW1 throwback mode, old abilities, old team limits, all that

[@pandaboss5085]

I pray that never happens old abilities were absolutely dogshit the disgusting amount of cc was unbearable

[@mirekasukukurayuki430]

@@pandaboss5085 oh it was. But I think it'd be nice for like an event, having the throwback abilities and such

[@Wthisakilometer]

​@@mirekasukukurayuki430I agree it should be, but like you said, it would NEED to be a separate mode. But I would like that

[@vikacandy]

There is now

[@Raiko01]

youre not gonna believe what im about to tell you

[@puchimausu]

the problem children were 100% orisa, bastion and bap...which 2 of the 3 were reworked so I can see modern 6v6 working

[@AegisEdge]

missing sigma

[@hypeman1021]

Missing sigma

[@juliant3126]

Missing sigma

[@puchimausu]

Sigma by himself was fine, it was combining him with orisa shield that caused frustration

[@Trevahhh21]

I miss this only cuz it actually took team work. Like team work can work in OW2 but no teamwork also works

[@Catharsys0]

well, I think it's a good thing that OW2 is not so geared towards team dependency, I like working with my team but I wouldn't want to go into a game where I can't do absolutely nothing because one of my tanks doesn't want to play the meta duo

[@rucksack_kh]

Ngl, I'd rather go against double shield than play "try to kill a single support simulator"

[@quote_ow]

W mans

[@rucksack_kh]

@@quote_ow 🤝

[@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672]

Yeah totally understandable to want to deal with 3-5k worth of shield damage just to see the point get captured instead of at most dealing 500 damage and making them run away as well

[@heyyou9903]

You do know that the supports would be behind those shields in this style of comp Not that all players would do the best strategy anyway tho

[@rucksack_kh]

@heyyou8592 that's fine because in this older meta, supports weren't unkillable dps heroes

[@maerwinelep4]

ow 1 was such a tactical fps, there is more strat in 10 sec of video than my 1 year in ow2

[@xTheGamingPigx]

the strat in question being "hey guys lets all sit still in a corner and hold left click in one direction while theres shields in our face"

[@poke_the_goat]

the clips didn't show 6v6, they showed (late) overwatch 1. think about it...

[@muysli.y1855]

2019-2022 mostly

[@SSADO-]

⁠@@muysli.y1855 That’s unsurprisingly when Sigma and Baptiste were out, who are arguably the most contributors to this

[@Anonymous-lv4di]

I really can't understand how people who have actually played through this want it back

[@vopcracker3193]

Some of it is blind nostalgia. Most of it is becuase OW2 is a terrible pre-alpha masquerading as a full sequel. It's sad either way 😕

[@AluRooftop]

People find comfort in repetition

[@whythoisuk9646]

You don't realize that this is the result of 3 YEARS of dev neglect. It doesn't matter what meta it is, after 3 years anything gets stale. What OW1 players want is the return, not just of the gameplay, but the care they put into the game back then as well. Nowadays they put more effort into monization than gameplay. Half of the roster was specifically designed for 6v6 and the fixes they did for them just kill their identity (sombra, mei, widowmaker, bastion).

[@Anonymous-lv4di]

@@whythoisuk9646 I kinda agree about Widow but really? Sombra, Mei and Bastion?

[@whythoisuk9646]

@@Anonymous-lv4di sombra went from a utility focused ambusher focused on ability denial to a preying assassin. Mei lost most of her freezing capability, a huge loss to her indivuality and utility. Bastion's immobility may hav me made him weaker, but you had much more control. The ability to freely swap between forms, ungated by a cooldown, allowed for a much more varied playstyle than the "just press shift when it's off cd and fire" he has now. OW1 just doesn't have the same focus on utility as others. If sombra doesn't do dmg she isn't played. If mei doesn't do dmg she isn't played. If bastion deals too much dmg he is always played.

[@Forever6292]

I miss those times so much, overwatch felt more tactical and chaotic. Also working as a team with a second tank felt much more satisfying

[@Pickleroony]

I miss 2 tanks, those were the golden days of OW.

[@Majid-dl3ip]

we can go back to 6 vs 6 with tuning down the tank role and supps

[@mage3690]

Still crazy to me that they removed 200-500 HP from the game and BUFFED supports like that wasn't going to be a horrible idea.

[@ImFromFortnite]

People forget the devs abandoned this game for 3 years to work on Ow2 and that's why it was like this for that time

[@elpapisaint]

All they had to do was nerf barriers, sigma, orisa, bap and brig and then the game would be fine.

[@muysli.y1855]

It was fun 2016-2018 until Brig release and Sigma later

[@thedog5k]

@@muysli.y1855 The real take. This guy saying he liked double shield at the end was fucking hilarious. I legit watched the whole video thinking it was a display of how awful the game got.

[@moefitzgerald4439]

Watching this makes me realize how much I miss some of these maps

[@jaroslavprucha9198]

100% I don't understand why I don't hear this more. The OG maps were amazing and I don't really like the modern game modes.

[@supermagnumable]

They were more memorable and 2cp in general had problems but you can tell it was INTENDED for this game

[@Kurama1732]

These kind of things werent because of 2 tanks on a team though, its 2 specific tanks that had everything in their kits instead of trade offs, propped up by bap and brig most of the time whom both were (and still are) busted as well. not a 2 2 2 issue, a hero design of 4 heroes specifically issue

[@krishanuphukan80]

That was peak bastion. Unlimited Turret. I miss those days.

[@gazu8990]

I feel like double shield was the problem not 2 tanks.

[@muysli.y1855]

Double Shield was 2019 a Problem

[@karakuri3035]

Sometimes i find it crazy that paladins "lost" to this...

[@danielrivas653]

Unbelievable that there's people out there who wants to go back to this

[@alexthegod5307]

This is so much better than modern Overwatch

[@cometsands]

That first one was pretty cool, like they have to perfectly remove the barriers until they're through, just can't imagine doing that every match.

[@Drippyshxt_69]

As someone who started in ow2, it’s crazy this is what people complain about being removed

[@uzi2k826]

U missed prime ow

[@Drippyshxt_69]

@@uzi2k826 I know I did, but it just wouldn’t work in Ow2

[@فارسمحمد-و6ح]

The good days😢

[@bemlok]

This is like high school memories, you fell nostalgic, the memories are good, but the reality was pretty trash adn messy.

[@hokey9175]

I feel like there was so much they didn't try when it came to balancing 6v6 which is a shame. Having 2 tanks feels more natural

[@Funay31]

i dont even need to watch the video, the thumbnail + title combo already made me laugh, cry, and like the video at the same time

[@styregt2006]

6v6 had problems, yes, but It was fixable.5v5 is not.

[@zilliq-qz5uw]

What makes 6v6 fixable ? They went to 5v5 specifically because it was easier to balance than 6v6 which increased exponentially the amount of broken interactions

[@alexthegod5307]

@@zilliq-qz5uw5v5 caused way more problems than it solved. Double shield could have been easily fixed by nerfing/reworking Bap, Sigma, Orisa, and Brig.

[@defaultdan7923]

people want this back?

[@RandommBoyo]

"You don't understand, OW1 WAS peak! But you just got the rare worst moments out of it! Unfair comparison!!" I'm so fucking glad OW2 exists. Gameplay wise it's so fucking better, everything else idk.

[@Baboso1]

This is what you guys miss?

[@finesseandstyle]

You didn't include the aimbotcalvin rein clip where he got stun locked into existence

[@RaringGarlic118]

And 1 tank is so much worse for tank players, 6v6 is so much better than 5v5

[@CharlesRayPope]

6v6 was better though it was fun but they taking away

[@Hisokaxchrollo]

Honestly I’ve played 6v6 I. Customs, some where it was OW1 stats and abilities and one where it was OW2 with 2 tanks, and base overwatch 2 is more fun, some of the tank duo’s you could use was just cancer and it felt all over the place and messy, I played OW1 too I dont get why people like 2 tanks so much

[@heyyou9903]

@@Hisokaxchrollo custom games won’t get the same experience as regular matchmaking. can’t control rank gaps in custom games

[@tazumajz2940]

Nerf double shield and half of this video doesn't exist. It wasn't a format issue it was a balance issue

[@NotMadaraaa]

Remove not nèrf

[@davizappelinisales2213]

There is no way people are acctually missing double shield because it required team play 💀

[@apan990]

look at this comment section, clearly they are, its ridiculous.

[@davizappelinisales2213]

@@apan990 i agree that 6v6 was really fun and playing tank with your friend was awesome, but double shield meta is not more fun than anything from overwatch 2 like they say. I think the mauga meta and double shield are very similar.

[@muysli.y1855]

I miss 2016-2018 i drop this game after Sigma release 2019

[@hypeman1021]

No one is missing double shield, 6vs6 is missing

[@TheFlyingSailorYT]

The issue? They removed shield piercing abilities outside of Moira and Rein (and they are weak). Symm's original alt-fire that could penetrate was damn useful against the toxic shield meta. They needed more shield piercers. Not 5 v 5 with one tank.

[@angelzockt2k441]

See how everyone sound way more happy and fulfilled while playing then then now?

[@NotMadaraaa]

No

[@Neptune_171]

no, this video was depressing. This gameplay is utter garbage to watch and participate in

[@gameexplorer10]

Oh really? They sound happy? What about Emong’s dull expression and disappointed face looks happy when he gets fooled by roadhog and dies instantly? It when the spawn doors open in junkertown and he gets deleted before even walking out of the spawn door?

[@FreddyGerardino]

double shield only existed because 90% of devs abandoned the game to "work" on ow2

[@muysli.y1855]

Every 3 month a balance Patch 😂

[@FreddyGerardino]

@muysli.y1855 ye but the patches never were reworks just like giving Cree an extra range buff sure he needed the buff but he was very low on the priority list 😭

[@DarkShadowHawk720]

I just wanna know why Winston’s shield up time was shorter than the cool down for it? Meanwhile, oresa can deploy shield and up time will exceed the cooldown to deploy shield.

[@shinistrue]

I don’t miss double shield or GOATS

[@Nankaudon-vp9vm]

Ah brings me good old memories. it was so much better than current OW2

[@Ummba13]

Off tank and main tank could have been two separate roles in ow2

[@olivierlaborde7887]

they could have even called it something else. There could have been four roles. Damage, Support, Tank (main tank), and Bruiser. I think their desire to make every tank equally strong at tanking kind of ruined their balancing abilities. Sig ball makes sense to have a beefier shield, but Sig orisa creates that double shield problem.

[@jptrady1997]

it wasnt a 6v6 issue it wasa a character design issue, before brig and sigma goats and double shield were never a thing

[@muysli.y1855]

2016-early 2018 (Brig release)

[@halinaqi2194]

Yeah, 6v6 was way more fun, especially in a team setting. The issue wasn't the amount of players on each team, but a couple of poorly designed heroes and balance changes. 2CP is also more fun than push, especially in a team setting, a lot more strategy and coordination was required to play 2CP effectively. Push feels very deathmatch-y and the large king of the hill is a worse paced control point.

[@NotMadaraaa]

@@halinaqi21942cp was and still is terrible

[@willsmith5519]

@@NotMadaraaa2 CP blows push and arena out of the water. Push is the stupidest game mode.

[@HOTSHOKO]

​@willsmith5519you must have some actual brain damage to think 2 cp was better

[@Vergilcore]

this hud is ahead of it's time it's a shame the team dropped many steps back from the characteristics of it

[@ItsHellnback]

idc it was more fun and these plays required communication and the reason i love overwatch 1 more than 2.

[@dinosaurkin5093]

Only psychopaths like 5v5, everyone else likes teamwork.

[@nowhere2068]

These were ALL balancing issues, not format issues

[@blacklight683]

"Break this you filthy casual"

[@ShouldOfStudiedForTheTest]

Notice how none of that happened before Sigma got released?

[@shanwil474]

Litterally feels like climbing over a cliff edge

[@yeeray2003]

i miss OW 1 tank synergy, it was the most unique part of the game for me

[@dely9999]

Now everything rellies on the only tank of each team once you die the team fight is pretty much over for your team

[@soralese]

This video did not show the issue with having two tanks at all. The most it did was show how much team work was involved in this game vs what it is now on ow2. Shield meta was a problem, yes. But it never worked if you didn’t have Baptise in the back throwing a lamp when shit broke. While it still has its issues I’d rather deal with this than 2 supports drilling a whole through the entire enemy team.

[@bloozy9191]

this aged well

[@sorin_markov]

I feel like this is more "why Bastion and chain stuns were a problem." Bastion still is a problem but not *as* bad and chain stuns are becoming more and more a problem as they slowly reintroduce all the stuns from OW1 but now with 1 less tank to absorb it. I do think 1 tank is better for the game overall and I kinda like the hybrid-DPS tank thing that tanks are now, but I also greatly miss having a good tank partner and the feeling that gave (Rein/Zarya, Winston/D.Va, Hog/Sig, etc.) and the strategy brain needed to play tank

[@GrimReaperAlva]

Two shield or not, you gotta admit that OW1 had the most diverse lineup of heroes in modern video games. When you have 6 person team of so many different heroes, each with different abilities paired in 3 different role categories, you can come up with some very interesting, unique and yes sometimes dumb and frustrating lineup compositions ever. Where OW1 shined is player's creativity to mix and match different heroes to see what worked with who on which map. Every time a new hero was introduced, it gave way to new and exciting possibilities for people to try out something new. And it worked even better with good teamwork and communication. Isn't that how a team based multiplayer game should be like? Coordinating as a team, communicating, strategizing against different and difficult scenarios to win against the other team? I've played OW1 since 2016 for almost 4 years and the amount of joy (And moments of anger and frustration) I felt throughout the years, no other modern team-based multiplayer game I can think of could match that level of experience. Because at the heart of it, it was about teamwork and diversity of heroes. It was something truly different from the rest of the pack. The game was good for what it stood for, not what it has become. Its a damn shame they changed the game to such a level that the core game and experience is all but lost now. They focused so much on the E-sports scene tweaking and changing so many mechanics that they forgot about the main playerbase. And look at it now. OWL is dead. Those pro players are all but gone with many of them switching to different games. And the game itself has become a hollow shallow form of what made OW1 special. They took what was awesome and shattered it to thousands of pieces.

[@youdontneedmyrealname]

Supports are what really killed the game not tanks. The power creep in the support role was absurd.

[@misterkeys2893]

The bastion hiding behind multiple barriers only to finally be burst down only to be saved by lantern only to be burst down again only to be rez'd only to be burst down again only to be saved by lantern again while the double barrier is refreshed is OW1 in a nutshell.

[@TOBI.SARU.]

wouldnt happen if OW2 just limited it to one shield tank per team. They are already talking about doing hero bans. That would basically fix it, limit one shield only.

[@muysli.y1855]

My hope for Ow2 Hero ban lets go 100% Ana/Kiriko Sad to see my OG main is so annoying nowadays

[@LoloPezos]

PLEASE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS ❤❤ BRING BACK THIS NOSTALGIA

[@strae9741]

the orisa and bastion rework were the most needed tbh

[@TheLoquendohacker]

but if you close your eyes "overwatch 2 disappears and everyone is happy with their money back"

[@rorae732]

you can complain about orisa sig double shield until u realize orisa doesn’t have a shield nor pull anymore

[@quote_ow]

bring back old orisa!

[@pastromer8552]

@@quote_ow i agree, old orisa wasnt engaging at all but it was really funny and way less horrible to play against, i would rather shoot a barrier for 2 minutes and do nothing then get touched by orisa when she shoves me into a corner and spears me against my will

[@michaelc7418]

The problem with Orisa + Sigma wasn't the barriers, it was that Fortify + Kinetic Grasp remained strong close-range defensive abilities for all of OW1's life. The devs needed to focus on nerfing Fortify + Kinetic Grasp so that Brawl & Dive comps could deal meaningful damage to Orisa + Sigma once they closed the distance on them.

[@jacegraber9938]

God I miss this, this is what Overwatch was about, these long drawn out fights that required a decent amount of teamwork to pull off, having to really think about your actions because one bad fuck up or literally one kill and that could cost you the point or worse the round, now its just everyone runs around and gets as many kills as they can

[@kamikaze4172]

Peak Overwatch! Where breaking shield meant getting met with another shield for that shield to give THE OTHER SHIELD time to charge. Truly, a miracle of modern gaming

[@arielcastillo3513]

Ah yes. I miss those days where everyone was either calling for “we need a shield” or “point guys point! Point point point!”

[@PieceOfCandyPS]

This could have been fixed in so many other ways other than deleting 1 tank from the game.

[@icos_hedra_]

dafrans absolute refusal to use window in this clip is so funny