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Patrick Kindlon

Patrick Kindlon

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@kylelyons1583
@kylelyons1583 3 ай бұрын
Man, I was big into Comics twitter when all this went down and all the creators that came out denouncing him I thought to myself, "I would have never picked up your work if Ellis hadn't gushed about it in his newsletter." It was really gross to me. I'm sad I may never get to read more Injection now or see what else he could have done with the WildStorm revamp.
@gnielse4474
@gnielse4474 3 ай бұрын
I think the biggest problem is that people immediately bowed to the people in the smokey scheming room by and large. For some reason we've had a decade plus of people not realizing why gossip isn't evidence. Ellis at worst seemed immoral but it's a transactional sin with someone else in a consensual manner from what few facts seemed to come out. Ellis also somewhat created the environment. The typical cancel culture engager isn't that far removed from the typical Ellis anti-hero. He promoted the idea of being a jerk for all the right causes and it being a get out of jail free card for any personal quirk positive or negative. Not in just his stories but through his website. It is interesting in stories and is fine to be tell but it came back on him for promoting it through his gossipy forum. Not to blame the victim but there is a bit of reap what you sow. The current cancel culture bullies are going to eat it even more when it comes around and not just cause it was a sin of ommision like Ellis not realizing what he was doing. I think the current group knows exactly what they are doing and why. I also wont read x-force just cause giving money to dc and marvel feels like I'm funding the bad behavior being talked about by you and me
@ench2112
@ench2112 3 ай бұрын
This is such a good take. I love your examination of these issues. Your point about talent not being replaceable like a Burger King manager is 100% right. People need to learn to separate the artist from the art again.
@AnotherSmashHit
@AnotherSmashHit 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate you saying. Thank you.
@northlakeghost
@northlakeghost 3 ай бұрын
Good take! You had me til the Burger King argument. Cancellation denies humanity, growth, change, and nuance among other things. Ellis shouldn't be canceled (i.e. permanently barred from or ignored in his profession) not because of his talent, but because it denies him the basic humanity we all deserve. Burger King managers don't deserve permanent shunning either. Shit is medieval.
@zachchapman4831
@zachchapman4831 3 ай бұрын
Speaking of people who should still be writing comics... I'm still fucked up about the Piskor stuff. After seeing all of that go down in realtime I now think that if you're not involved in one of these situations directly, you have an ethical obligation not to rt, signal boost, comment or otherwise engage.
@RobGuilloryArt
@RobGuilloryArt 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. I think Ellis got bit by his own appetites, but there's no denying he is irreplaceable. It's possible to give him his professional props while disagreeing with his personal behavior.
@JollyGreenComics
@JollyGreenComics 3 ай бұрын
Any thoughts on the new x factor cover? 6 fingers? AI art?
@AnotherSmashHit
@AnotherSmashHit 3 ай бұрын
It's Greg Land, right? Sometimes the guys who are heavy on the tracing have a hard time recognizing the mistakes that come with literally transposing an image from photo to comics. One of the trace kings put a thumb on the bottom side of a hand a couple years ago because he was tracing two separate images and just could not see how it didn't line up.
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