that moment you realize tarantino only co-wrote pulp fiction

[@CinemaStix]

Here’s the link to the second part of the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmmZqKN7mKengdE Like what happened with my Rocky video recently, for some reason when I tried to upload the full thing, it gets automatically copyright claimed. But when I broke it into two parts, it was fine. It’s very strange. And again, I wouldn’t care, except that with the claim on it I’m unable to turn off mid-roll ads. And I really prefer not to have ad breaks in the middle of my videos, because I work really hard to make them the way they are, and for them to be enjoyed in a certain way. At least by breaking it up myself, I get to choose where that break happens, which is why I’ve chosen to do it this way again. But, really, I am sorry about all this, and I hope you’re able to enjoy the full video despite the split :) -Danny

[@mondodimotori]

Can't you counter claim for "fair use"?

[@reygallegos1]

Hey man, at least I get to be in the cool club again of all the peeps who take the time to watch the second video! Great way to start my day off. Keep up the great work, brother! 🤘🏽

[@pirojfmifhghek566]

@@mondodimotori It's KZbin. IF a creator gets a response it's usually an automated one that's something along the lines of "we've reviewed your complaint and decided... no," without further explanation.

[@CinemaStix]

This. It’s hardly a court of law on here. Claim holders get last say at the end of the day. The rejections are pretty automatic, and appealing those rejections is risky. Best to avoid it in the first place whenever possible.

[@chimedemon]

Well I respect the hell out of you for that. It's always good to see how you can use little loopholes for youtube so they don't screw you over

[@lithantushelo7932]

You can actually track the arc of Tarantino's ego as a filmmaker & the credit for Pulp fiction when you watch he's interviews on a year by year chronology, first makes passing mentions of him... Then Jackie Brown onwards Avery's never mentioned, all the way to the press tour for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (now back together with him and doing a podcast together) he makes passing mentions of him again

[@drewharry88]

He can have as big an ego he wants.. hes one of a handful of filmmakers who actually makes great original stories.. Avery got credit for helping but the dude didnt write the screenplay.. calm down. Look at QTs career after and then look at Averys and youll see which one actually should get the most credit. If Avery was that great he wouldve done far more.

[@Pataganja]

It always appeared Avary just didn’t have nearly as much to do with the screenplay as Tarantino

[@drewharry88]

@@Pataganja He didn’t.. Tarantino is a writing machine. He wrote Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, True Romance, Natural Born Killers, From Dusk Til Dawn all within like 6 years.. that’s why ppl acting like Avery got screwed or something are out of their minds. Dude should be glad to just be a part of the history of Pulp Fiction cause QT pretty much works alone all the time.

[@lithantushelo7932]

@@drewharry88 I'm not hung up on Avery, besides he's got no beef with Tarantino as is why would I, but seriously dude likes the sound of his own voice, look at any interview with him and anyone who isn't De Niro or Robert Rodriguez.

[@familycorvette]

@@drewharry88 "Avery got credit for helping but the dude didn't write the screenplay" Uh, yeah he did... and received an Academy Award for his labors. Have you seen Killing Zoe or Rules of Attraction? Avery was a very capable writer. Tarantino still describes Avery as his "best friend." Avery has said that it was obvious even at the Academy Award dinner the year they won their award that the industry had fallen in love with Tarantino and Avery was "no longer part of the equation."

[@paulidevoss7249]

The other massive factor in the success of Tarantino’s films is the contribution of his long time Editor Sally Menke. Editing is a re-writing of the film based on whatever was shot and recorded and the editor curates the pacing and audience experience down to the frame. You can see the huge influence she had by looking at his films up until the time of her death in 2010 and then after. I remember watching the Hateful 8 and thinking WTF is this? It was sluggish and self-indulgent. RIP Sally Menke

[@SeanofAllTrades]

I think Hateful 8 is that way more because it was written as a play than the editing. Sally Menke is amazing though. She edited the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles flick and that's still a 10/10 for me.

[@bla_ank]

The Hateful Eight is actually my favorite "Tarantino" film. Each to their own

[@dualnon6643]

Django was edited by Fred Raskin too, and that film had great editing.

[@goatpepperherbaltea7895]

Ive heard him shout her out a ton I’m not a massive fan but I listen to him on shows sometimes but I never hear him mention Avery

[@maxmeier532]

@@bla_ank Considering Reservoir dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Django, Inglorious basterds, Once upon a time in H., ...your favorite is absolutely insane.

[@davidci]

Just searched up who Roger Avary was and was completely blindsided by the 'manslaughter charge' part in his Wikipedia page

[@dashtoroya2838]

Damn

[@humersompsen4775]

Manslaughter charge because he drove while being drunk and got a passenger killed. Anyone who gets behind the wheel while intoxicated is an asshole in my book; it needlessly endangers your passengers and fellow members of traffic.

[@nathanielmorgan9108]

​@@humersompsen4775 I don't think many people who accidentally kill someone stay an asshole afterwards, it's often a wake up call for them. So he's probably perfectly normal now other than having trauma and guilt for being responsible for someone's death.

[@davidci]

@@nathanielmorgan9108 I understand where you're coming from, but as someone who had an online friend who was killed by a drunk driver, I feel complicated about that issue. Because for one, my friend is never coming back all because of such a preventable cause. On the other hand, I do know the driver has completely regretted everything and wanted to pay for their own actions.

[@zserbs2326]

@@davidci how do you feel it’s a complicated issue? A drunk driver is not only a person who is posing a danger to themself but to others. Regret means nothing when the victims families still have to suffer from a loss.

[@thevanishingpoint4930]

Nice seeing Avary getting some attention. He was a solid writer-director in his own right. Rules of Attraction is an underrated film that really captures the zeitgeist of US college culture in the early 2000’s.

[@charlottecorday8494]

Except he TOTALLY missed the point of the novel.

[@Probblems]

@@charlottecorday8494 what was the point of the novel? I’ve never read.

[@pastichiorocker]

@@charlottecorday8494 Brett Easton Ellis thinks it's one of the best movie adaptations of his books.

[@maxmeier532]

I am sure he got all the attention he ever needed, when he killed a guy drunk driving.

[@VOLCAL]

TERRANTINO IS A HACK....HES THE EQUIVALENT OF MUSICAL SAMPLING IN THE FORM OF FILM... GUY JUST TAKES SHTTT THATS ALREADY BEEN DONE AND JUST WRITES SHTTTY DIALOGUE OVER THEM... 100% FORMULAIC.

[@purelytheoretical2205]

I love the editing of this. very stylish and perfectly paced. it gives me such Radiolab energy, but beautifully done for the screen. barely even into the video right now, but i just needed to come down here and say bravo on the edit.

[@CinemaStix]

Thank you! As long as you’re here, just a note to look out for part two linked at the end of the video. Some folks have (understandably) missed it. But there’s an explanation in my pinned comment above. Thank you again! It really means a lot :) -Danny

[@6alcantara]

Yeah, even his voice sounds similar to Jad's.

[@khalidm.q.2639]

I would have to respectfully disagree. I found it really hard to follow.

[@iwantmyoperahouse]

Thanks to Orson Welles😉

[@_Tizoc_]

People used to talk about “the mega script” that they both used to work on that supposedly got turned into reservoir dogs, true romance, natural born killers, pulp fiction, and supposedly even some parts of it inspired killing Zoe and from dusk til dawn. I never hear about it any more but it used to get mentioned in interviews a lot more. I guess here it’s the throw away line about “putting everything on the table that hadn’t been used” but it used to be suggested that they both collectively added to it tremendously like all the time and added to it over years rather than days or weeks and have gone back to the well of that document on many many occasions to mine the signature style of their early work together. They are both architects of that style. I feel more people should look into Avery’s other work. He’s not the work horse that QT is or the lightning rod, but he has just as much vision and taste.

[@eddardgreybeard]

I think Resevoir Dogs has references to Alabama Whitman, the girl in True Romance.

[@ChrisStafford-vj8ou]

it wasn't a mega script, it was an unorganized mega collection of ideas. some of them very good ideas, but still just snippets of stuff. that's why true romance, in particular, feels like sequence of disjointed scenes more than a movie

[@_Tizoc_]

dusk till dawn a bit too not disjointed but like a general vibe with scenes that go with it (very natural born killers kind of shit) and then a massive insane twist.@@ChrisStafford-vj8ou

[@heirrose1606]

Avary's fine but he sure af doesn't have Tarantino's level of vision & taste

[@artistaccount]

The walk in the shadows monologue in pulp fiction was in dusk till dawn originally but Tarantino switched it to pulp fiction.

[@neonatalpenguin]

People don't really talk about how much Jim Jarmusch's Night On Earth and Mystery Train influenced Pulp Fiction, Resevoir Dogs and True Romance. For a start, Mystery Train has the multi-story plot, a radio DJ narrator (in fact, Tarantino considered casting Tom Waits as the DJ in Reservoir Dogs before casting Steven Wright), a cameo by the ghost of Elvis Presley, and a cowardly Steve Buscemi character. While Night On Earth features a mysterious briefcase and a sinister character with a band-aid on the back of his head. I wonder how Jarmush feels about it all.

[@ProtoVisionXR]

Mysterious briefcase which glows upon opening seems clearly lifted from Kiss Me Deadly.

[@aj16cook]

I remember discovering in my late teens that an excellent way to find great films was to look up lists of movies Tarantino stole from.

[@neonatalpenguin]

@Jonathan Fantucchio True. But QT definitely saw Night On Earth too.

[@Haltboy]

@@aj16cook He is a true student of the game ay

[@Njbear7453]

Tarantino literally is the “KING” of this; he’s just paying homage to movies that he loves, plain and simple. He is a movie fanatic.

[@The_Real_Flump]

God I love the way you narrate. Taking audio from the movie and making it sound like a conversation is so unique! It's like you and the person are bouncing off each other

[@CinemaStix]

Thank you! I don’t do it for everything, but I have a few videos formatted this way. It’s not for everybody, but I enjoy the process of putting them together. :) -Danny

[@ploopy8780]

@@CinemaStix I think it's cool for a lot of bits, but when you use it as much as in this video it can feel a bit yoyo-e with audio levels/quality. Thought I should add, loved the vid man! Great work.

[@thewhitewolf58]

@@CinemaStix do you have to manually go through a movie for sound clips or is there some audio based search engine? I ask because i see some people like watch mojo use movie clips as reactions.

[@CinemaStix]

I don’t use it, but there is a tool called yarn.io that lets your search movie and TV clips by searching for specific lines and phrases. But when I cover a movie, I watch it so many times that it’s pretty easy to just pull parts I think will be useful later in the edit.

[@averagejoe6617]

I really hate that, but I guess I'm in the minority.

[@torpedoboy4]

This is great! I’d also love to see an in depth breakdown of Sally Menke’s contribution to Tarantino’s films. She was certainly a one of kind visionary editor.

[@lucasRem-ku6eb]

This guy is not a skilled writer, does not understand creative processes. Sally is his agenda tool ! She was in Amsterdam too recently.

[@cyn1clcynide]

​@@lucasRem-ku6ebwhat have you been smoking in Amsterdam?

[@axelmayfree4954]

Another interesting thing to note is that Tarantino tried to recreate the anothlogy format with the movie "Four Rooms" in 1995. 4 directors would direct 4 sperate parts of a film that would ultimately tie together in the end. The movie turned out to be a massive flop and tarantino did not do another aothology formated film.

[@CinemaStix]

That movie is a fascinating topic in itself. Especially in the context of Tarantino’s relationship with Robert Rodriguez. Something I’ll probably get to at some point here on the channel.

[@humersompsen4775]

This is not really true, "Four Rooms" was a collaboration and not "his project", so he didn't try to recreate the anthology format, he directed 1/4 of a movie based on pre-existing material.

[@Pataganja]

Four rooms wasn’t Tarantino’s project

[@mcnooj82]

couldn’t GRINDHOUSE be considered a kind of anthology film?

[@Pataganja]

@@mcnooj82 No

[@Oldschool1943]

1:12 "we don't really hear much from today" Roger Avary & Quentin Tarantino literally have a podcast together right now since last year - The Video Archives Podcast The first episode premiered on July 19, 2022 and Roger Avary worked on other movies since pulp fiction like: Mr. Stitch (1995) - Director, writer and Executive Producer The Rules of Attraction (2002) - Director, writer and Executive Producer Glitterati (2004) - Director, Writer & Producer Silent Hill (2006) - writer Beowulf (2007) - writer & Executive Producer XIII: The Series - Writer & Executive Producer Lucky Day (2019) - Director & writer and on On January 13, 2008 - September 29, 2009, he was in legal issues for dui and manslaughter. in my personal opinion i think he slowed down bcuz he had nothing to prove i don't think it had anything to do with Quentin Tarantino although over the years Tarantino does come across someone that's hard to work with bcuz of his ego.

[@Loufilmmaker]

You said it all.

[@duewest9801]

This video is part 1 of 2, they mention the podcast in part 2

[@Loufilmmaker]

@@duewest9801 well if there is, I'd love to find the link!

[@duewest9801]

@@Loufilmmaker In the description

[@Loufilmmaker]

@@duewest9801 thanks man. I’m glad I saw it all… Great ending :)

[@l4ndst4nder]

Roger Avery acclaimed screenwriter known for his work on Pulp Fiction and giving Konosuba 5 stars on Letterboxd

[@fonroo0000]

never been that much into movies in the sense of analysing colours, scenography, planes etc, but this channel really is something else even for me. Good work, keep it up

[@fonroo0000]

@@jimmyblood3416 planes as in the position of the camera and composition of the image, not the transportation means

[@diego_wagner]

I love the kinetic energy in your editing and narration. What a great video essay fr

[@La1999x]

damn.. thank you for bringing awareness to this, had zero clue.. never clicked on a video faster

[@CinemaStix]

I couldn’t believe the story isn’t talked about more. Finding the information was extremely difficult. Tarantino makes almost zero mention of Avery in any of his interviews. It’s crazy. -Danny

[@La1999x]

@@CinemaStix exactly, wow! i bet this video will blow up hahah you're doing amazing work like always

[@Slimysnotnose]

@@CinemaStix the story is talked about a lot and this whole video is very misleading

[@Pataganja]

It doesn’t need awareness most anyone who has any interest in Tarantino’s work already knows this

[@kremesauce]

@@Pataganja I had absolutely no idea and I’m a Tarantino fan

[@andyhurst34]

True film guys knew from the start Avery was a part of Quinten's early success, and had his opportunity to write and direct on his own, but he never struck gold.

[@itsalive1488]

He was more of a writer, but Tarantino does come off as.......selfish.......you can tell and anyone who argues he didn't lose it "the magic" is lying... ..his last 4 films have the same ending and it's super super shit, you can take off some scene and say "WOW" ,but the work all together goes from good to okay to garbage.....

[@andyhurst34]

@@itsalive1488 I like all his movies because he just keeps writing until his movies are interesting. It's like he's always able to dig out a compelling story with dialog, pacing, and atmosphere. The only movie he missed on was Death Proof. I think thatswhen he learned to stop trying to be cool, and just write to be interesting and let the cool just happen.

[@vb8428]

@@itsalive1488 Yeah, it's very interesting to hear how he would take Avery's drafts and expand them into his own scripts. And that story he stole from him to use in parties and that Rooms movie.

[@pandaberserk3390]

@@itsalive1488 wtf are you talking about inglourious basterds and django where good. death proof was also okay

[@itsalive1488]

@@pandaberserk3390 To be fair, Inglorious Bastards is the reason why I got into film, but let's not pretend like the 3rd act is good......I mean it is just "crazy imaginary shit" and same with Django and same with, The hateful 8 and same with Once upon a time in Hollywood, the endings are all the same...........he can't end a movie correctly.......and it shows........now we can probably discuss "Well in OUATIH, is just saying how the stunt man was the real hero.......the most real", but is that's good enough?? Come on......that's my argument, he says he wants to show a different side of history, and I bought it for Inglorious Bastards, but now is just the same in all his work

[@MsSayanna]

Wow, what a way to intercut your naration with interviews and movie dialogues. I know it's been done before, but god damn that's a vision and a style! You're a great writer. 1:21 scene had me laughing for some reason Man, i love video essays.

[@Thee_Sinner]

I’ll be the odd one out. I hate the editing of this video. I’m entirely lost on what point is trying to be made. Probably my brain more than the video itself, but the constant jumping between numerous voices and even cutting to and from different people mid-sentence makes this completely incoherent for me.

[@nickthomas6827]

It strikes me as though they’re making the preposterous argument that Tarantino isn’t legitimate because he never made any movies all by himself in a bottle.

[@mamaharumi]

​@@nickthomas6827No, he's not, lmfao.

[@antoniomarine1567]

I agree. It was hard to watch. Get to the goddam point. Which never happened because if Quentin got the "written and directed by" credit, how did Roger win an Oscar. Google here I come...

[@tipsythefedora]

@@antoniomarine1567 QT asked him for sole credit so in the beggining credts the card would read "written and directed by QT" Avery obliged

[@mkultra2456]

"the constant jumping between numerous voices and even cutting to and from different people mid-sentence" BINGO! This style of editing is annoying.

[@WaaDoku]

The editing in this is so good. Back and forth between the voice over of the directors and yours. Brilliant!

[@flourbvoy1269]

What an amazing video. Great insights combined with great editing. Thank you so much, CinemaStix. :)

[@CinemaStix]

Thank YOU so much :)

[@akirahojo2]

Roger Avery also wrote the Silent Hill movie, which is arguably one of the better game adaptations.

[@echostik]

Really? i loved that movie and tried to watch some of the directors other work which weren't that impressive tbh

[@adamant5550]

It's a very underrated film

[@akirahojo2]

@@adamant5550 true it was underrated. I’ve asked people who play the games and those who just like horrors, they all like Silent Hill movie despite changes to the game lore. Avery wrote a gripping tale and Gans captured the atmosphere of the games.

[@walmartian422]

I feel like Killing Zoe is on par with Resevoir Dogs.

[@Guirlachee]

It's good to see an essay that doesn't need to be 2 hour to be fricking good, this is the videos we need.

[@moviesandstuff34]

fr people stretch video essays wayyy too long

[@R0bot4]

„Either it is 10 minutes long, or its wrong!“

[@Badchi]

So, Tarantino pretty much Zuckerberged him?.. (I’m haven’t watched the second part of the video yet, but going to right now)

[@nickthomas6827]

Avary has a “story by” credit for Pulp Fiction and won an Oscar along with Tarantino for the screenplay

[@lindseyb2586]

Great editing in this essay, your incorporation of footage with your narration felt very smooth and fluid. You rock

[@CinemaStix]

YOU rock. :) -Danny

[@tecpaocelotl]

I thought I had a mandala effect with Roger Avary this whole time since Quentin pulled a Stan Lee.

[@Zehahahaa]

Yes what happened to Jack Kirby

[@xenon6947]

@@Zehahahaa And Steve Ditko.

[@justinhopper5941]

I thought I knew everything about Tarantino, I knew Avery helped on pulp fiction but didn’t know what he wrote and how much he did on other scripts. This was really informative.

[@xtra2267]

How the hell am I so early. You're an amazing youtube and your videos are all such high quality. Invested in the video and will watch it all the way through Keep up the amazing vids MrCinemaStix

[@CinemaStix]

Thank you! I don’t know, but hopefully whatever time zone you’re in it’s not 6:00 am like it is for me :)

[@xtra2267]

@@CinemaStix It was close to midnight luckily not 6 am

[@SpikimaMovies]

Haaaa this is sick. Thank you. Needed this.

[@Badchi]

I was completely oblivious to all that, holy sh-…

[@CinemaStix]

Then my work here is done :)

[@samfletcher8338]

babe wake up, new cinemastix vid just dropped

[@CinemaStix]

Hope it’s not as early for you as it is for me :) 6:00 am, yawn.

[@samfletcher8338]

@@CinemaStix I slept in till 2pm XD, keep up the good work brother

[@PianoVampire]

The Rules of Attraction is an amazing film, highly recommended - it came out in 2002 so he was heard from again...

[@ZachCK]

He co wrote Silent Hill (2006) also

[@cameronrobinson3933]

That is an interesting thing to bring up because that is quite true. People give Quentin Tarantino so much praise for your screenplays and forget that he has people who helps him sometimes

[@Riley-nq3tc]

Tarantino also jacked the (in)famous monolog about how Maverick/IceMan in Top Gun are actually gay (Seen in the film "Sleep With Me" which for many was an introduction to Tarantino) FROM Avary. Evidently that was a bit Avary was notorious for using to great success at parties, only finding out that Quentin had jacked it word-for-word (And not crediting Avary) when he saw the film. They cohost a podcast now so I'd assume they're back on good terms, but only after not speaking for quite some time

[@KasumiRINA]

Writers don't generally credit people whose dialogue they overhear though. Imagine if every word in a book was cited like wikipedia.

[@JHallenbeck]

Great video! I honestly prefer Tarantino's earlier work to what he does now (which is often bloated, self-indulgent pastiches that I can't get on with). His early work was raw and exciting and had a realism to it, in spite of the borderline farcical storytelling. I think when he and Roger Avary parted creative ways, Tarantino lost his anchor.

[@KClouisville]

I agree. There's an emperor has no clothes aspect for me to everything he's done since Jackie Brown (which, while it didn't have Avary, it had good source material from Elmore Leonard). Tarantino on his own, without an editing voice/voice of reason somewhere in the mix, just doesn't do it for me. You increasingly get what seems to be "sequences and set pieces Quentin thought would be cool" all spliced together instead of an actual film.

[@JHallenbeck]

@@KClouisville I honestly couldn't agree with you more! Rare to meet someone in the wild who views the QT career in this way.

[@KClouisville]

@@JHallenbeck I think a mix of a promising start and the fact that his films, despite their flaws, are definitely not the cookie cutter stuff that comes out of Hollywood these days, has shielded him from harsher critiques. I think there is some view of him of being one of the "last auteurs" who consistently gets major studio financing for his films.

[@r.williamcomm7693]

Pulp Fiction definitely changed cinema. It felt like the beginning of the world opening up with gloom going away & prosperity coming including a renaissance in cities & movies.

[@voidsff]

And here we are 30 years later, box offices dominated by absolute garbage

[@r.williamcomm7693]

@@voidsff Agree. I guess the good news is that there doesn’t appear to be as many box offices anymore. Go woke go broke.

[@RichardGutierrezRG]

Yep. People really either hate it or love it. Very few people are in between. Sad that Tarantino's massive ego is also so very brittle that he just couldn't let Avery be appreciated as much as he should have been (Coen Brothers do this without cutting the other out). Seems like Tarantino knew he needed ideas and once those ideas were committed to paper, he reharmonized the wording into his own...funny how the watch story is considered classic Tarantino when it actually is Avery. Interesting video to say the least!!!

[@r.williamcomm7693]

@@RichardGutierrezRG Great comment. Agree 100%.

[@julians7268]

Can we all take a moment and just appreciate how absolutely blasted Anthony Hopkins is in this clip, at 0:11 . I mean, I have been known to mess with an upper or two in my day, and I'm almost positive the Anthony we see there was up for another week redoing all of his taxes, from birth.

[@bozotheclown1142]

Daaaaamn, he went Hannibal on that one

[@abot6783]

Anthony Hopkins has been sober since 1974

[@julians7268]

Lol... sure guys. That was completely normal behavior, and there would be no reason for a celebrity to try and hide the fact that they were high during an award show! Right? Just close your eyes and you'll see it too.

[@oregonvibez]

I don't see anything that implies he's high just because he opted to fiddle about and is required to get on with the show at pace lol

[@oregonvibez]

​@@julians7268child

[@kingcrustytut7544]

This is amazingly done, im a sucker for the Quentin Tarantino content ty

[@CinemaStix]

:)

[@concept226]

That explains why I enjoy this film more than the recent films. I do enjoy Tarantino's films, but I have a real problem with the dialogue. After I saw a few interviews with Tarantino and relaised the unique way in which he spoke. I then realised that his characters spoke exactly like him. So now when I watch a Tarantino film, its just like every one is a puppet and Tarantino is talking through them. They all speak in exactly the same way, there is no diversity in the dialogue, they all have this long winded Tarantino-esque way of speaking.

[@sully9937]

Mark Kermode mentions this too. Very much ruins his films when you recognise it.

[@LagrangePoint0]

and a LOT of N words, that white boy sure loves the N word.

[@karebushmarebu233]

Really? I don't personal agree at all but fair enough, if thats how you feel

[@SillyWillyFan47]

So a Lennon & McCartney kind of writing relationship. Quentin Tarantino & Roger Avary. Maybe they will bring back their collaborative synergies to Tarantino's Tenth & Final Movie. I hope so.

[@jalenspencerfilm]

I'm so glad Mystery Train got some light. Jim's dialogue is unmatched.

[@Jokerman915]

This title is clickbait. Roger Avery had a very strong indie career. His first directorial feature was Killing Zoe. It was made a year before Pulp Fiction and was created while producers were looking for locations for Reservoir Dogs. Avery followed it up with Rules of Attraction, an Indie masterpiece that didn't find much commercial appeal. The film grammar of ROA is phenomenal and features an incredible young 2000s cast including James "Dawson" Vanderbeek and Jessica Biel. Unfortunately, Avery was in a car crash while intoxicated which derailed his career in the late 2000s. Avery wasn't as good of a director as Tarantino but made his own mark after Pulp Fiction.

[@nathanieledwards3302]

By God man.....the rules of attraction is on my "masterpieces that have low rotten tomatoes scores" list. That...."gummo" "stay" are also on there. That film feels absolutely undeniable to me though. I don't understand how it didn't resonate with mainstream audiences. The excitement was there, burning off of the screen ffs.

[@hashvendetta7226]

@@nathanieledwards3302 it's a Brett Easton ellis book. Dawson is actually Patrick Bateman's brother. That movie is phenomenal

[@nathanieledwards3302]

@@hashvendetta7226 yeah.....I know dude. 🤣

[@hashvendetta7226]

@@nathanieledwards3302 .....ok, man....cool

[@AWolfMan75]

I literally was going to post about Avery's other credits, and the car accident, as well.

[@Psyclonus7]

It'd be better if the narrator wasn't constantly interrupting the interview audio

[@niebsy5973]

Been watching your channel for about six months now and it’s so cool seeing some of these videos explode man. You have a gift for storytelling and finding super interesting topics about movies I love. One small critique I have on some of the editing of these videos would be how you cut the audio sometimes. I didn’t realize at one point that you were having a conversation with someone while also narrating throughout it. Don’t listen to me if you don’t want to though and either way man keep crushing!!

[@micahclawrence]

While I see that Avary should be more known, it isn’t like Quentin is a fraud. He’s a tremendous director.

[@dukekent5393]

And writer. The mastermind.

[@harrisonw6065]

He's an extremely capable writer and an amazing director but from a viewers perspective, definitely needs a cowriter to proof read some of the more indulgent parts of his characters and plot. Of course, its what he's known for amongst many other things, but his last two films (whilst I consider to be great films) have areas where its too self indulgent for its own good. I'm not a critically acclaimed director who has been in the business for 30 years though, so who am I to judge.

[@kirillstp]

Tarantino is terribly overrated. His only good movie is pulp fiction. I've seen both kill bill, reservoir dogs, and the start of inglorious basterds. Couldn't handle the last one, too pretentious, and somehow trying too hard not to be pretentious.

[@batmaneatspizza]

@@kirillstpshut up kid

[@PonyStark69]

@@kirillstp100% a 12 year old, inglorious bastards has some of the best acting and dialogue I have ever seen

[@zaxapitsa]

I remember coming out of the cinema and my friend telling me "the gold watch" was the best one out of the three BY FAR. I personally liked the whole thing, but that one does have something to it... it's more clever. it elevates the whole film.

[@RichardGutierrezRG]

I agree, "The Gold Watch" has the signature story, the story that you can't help but remember. It has the cool VillaLobos conversation and the strange lighting and old time movie traffic in the taxi windows (very Hitchockian...lol!) with the entire trip back to the apartment build up. I remember seeing the title cards and wondering why they were as they were. Tarantino definitely let his ego overtake reality...but...reality, to a screenwriter and director are loose reality as it is...

[@jimreplicant]

Never thought of mystery train being an influence on pulp fiction, love that movie and it makes sense hearing that. They combined so much cool stuff making pulp fiction french new wave, film noir, gangster movies

[@El-Chad]

Great video man.

[@CinemaStix]

Thanks!

[@maximusprime3459]

Nice. "The Other Guy" never gets their props. Thanks for this.

[@ButterBallTheOpossum]

They are still very close friends. I don't think it's fair to assume that Quentin stopped working with him because of he developed a huge ego. Quentin is allowed to work alone if he wants and Avery could go make his own movie if he wanted. They both started a podcast together recently so It's not like there's bad blood

[@maddieb.4282]

Curious if you even bothered watching the video

[@ivant5054]

@@maddieb.4282 you completely ignored the "they even started a podcast together" guess who didn't even read the whole comment...

[@phattjohnson]

@@maddieb.4282 Do you know how the internet works? Look up "The Video Archives Podcast with Quentin Tarantino and Roger Avary" 🤦‍♂

[@purplevampireanime]

thank you so much for bringing this information to light! I've always adored Pulp Fiction and the whole gold watch part is one of my favorites. Avery had some interesting ideas, I wish he could have pursued more.

[@worldlycashmoneyenterprises]

him and roger avery seem to be on good terms now, they do a podcast together currently called video archive

[@CinemaStix]

Indeed. I talk about it at the end of the video.

[@z3ro216]

I love the cuts with the voices. I understand why people might not like it, and the only thing I can think of that would help is leveling the audio to where it sounds kind of like a conversation in a podcast where the voices have equal weight rather than sharp differences sometimes. Otherwise I love the *style*. It tickles the brain, especially whenever snipped and pasted with clips that are relevant and ALSO contribute to the video script. Its clever and cool if done consistently write. It being apart of the script is cool.

[@z3ro216]

It's sort of like whenever you see a nice transition in a movie. Like the movie is telling this story and continues to do so while it transitions between scenes and characters in a cerebral way. Like a cool trip with meaning. its cool.

[@zbotte]

the associative editing in this video goes crazy

[@ragequitchess6025]

Really glad to have discovered this channel! Lovely style and great subject. Winner!

[@CinemaStix]

Thanks! And welcome! -Danny

[@GotYourTags]

Your way of constructing the dialogue in this video, or all your videos, sounds just like Radiolab's way of doing their podcasts and I love it. Great job and insanely easy to follow and understand. Well done.

[@djarticuno5720]

It's almost like film takes an entire team of people to be created

[@astroguster5522]

Dude this is like listening to Radio Lab on NPR but with Pulp Fiction. Love this! Subbed.

[@CinemaStix]

Thank you! I hope you saw that there was a second part to the video? Linked at the end, but also in my pinned comment above. Welcome! -Danny

[@astroguster5522]

@@CinemaStix watched and finished it before you commented 😂

[@Doomzdayxx]

so this Avary guy seems like a scumbag. He drove drunk, got in a wreck and killed his passenger, in which he was sentenced to do only 1 year in jail, which during the day he would be allowed to go to his job then report back to jail. So when he wasn't in jail during the day, he would get on twitter and complain about the jail and his situation. this caught the parole officers eye and he promptly revoked his work release privileges, making him serve the rest of the year in jail full-time.

[@williamlerner2424]

Love the channel just had to say

[@CinemaStix]

:)

[@ronmackinnon9374]

'I really have to take a pee right now....' To me, that will always be reminiscent of Amanda Plummer in the coffee shop scene: 'I gotta pee!'

[@johnlime1469]

I don't think this takes away all of Quentin's work away. One major job of directors is to find the right people to bring your story to life. And _Once Upon a TIme in Hollywood_ looks really nice, and I'm excited to watch it at some point.

[@natatatm]

it doesnt take away his work, but it's also just another example of his absolutely gargantuan sized ego that ends up hurting the people he works with.

[@johnlime1469]

@@natatatm He does have a massive ego that is fucking true lmao

[@echostik]

@@natatatm yh he is like that. But that doesn't necessarilly mean he is not genius at writing tho. People be complaining about endings n stuff but in tarantino's movies its all about individuals scenes all being good.

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Once upon a time is okay....just watch Jackie Brown

[@thelastmanonearth2631]

I don't understand the love for the movie. I think people are just saying they love it because they think they're supposed to. It's Tarantino's worst work since Jackie Brown. Easily. It's just not that good. But it's Tarantino, so it's "brilliant." I don't get it, man. Meanwhile, Inglorious Basterds, one of the greatest films of all time, only ever gets an honorable mention from most people.

[@armandofajardo1583]

This video editing style reminds of Radio Lab podcast. Glad I found this channel.

[@rw9191]

Steve Polyi wrote the Eric Stoltz part of Pulp Fiction (Not credited) It was loosely based on Steve himself. Steve worked at the Video Archives with Tarantino in Manhattan Beach. He wrote this as a favor. Stevo is Sherriff #4 in Reservior Dogs. They misspelled his name in the credits as Steve Poliy

[@MajorVanBloodnok]

_”Everyone steals. The trick is to steal from the best”_ Alfred Hitchcock

[@StudioMod]

Roger Avary made an amazing film called Killing Zoe with Eric Stoltz. Tarantino helped him with that.

[@andyhurst34]

Oh yeah pretty good, too much drug use though, kinda turned me off.

[@oliverholmes-gunning5372]

@@andyhurst34 not really bothered about the drug use myself (some of my favourite movies are Scarface, Layer Cake, The Big Lebowski, Withnail and I, American Made, etc) but I never really connected with Killing Zoe anyway. It's not a bad movie per se (good performances, reasonably engaging plot), but it just feels like one of the many knockoff Tarantino movies that you got in the nineties and early noughties, and not even one of the better ones like Lock Stock, Go, Pawn Shop Chronicles or even Smokin' Aces (which is arguably not a great movie, but definitely a fun one). Not one of the bad ones either, to be fair, but about mid-range. I always associate it with all those other mid-range 90s Tarantino knockoffs like 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag, Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead, Four Dogs Playing Poker, or Curdled (actually I personally really like Curdled, but I recognise that objectively speaking it's not exactly Citizen Kane. Funnily enough, like Killing Zoe, it's also officially part of the Tarantino Cinematic Universe though).

[@andyhurst34]

@@oliverholmes-gunning5372 I'll check it out. ... The drugs didn't bother me other than I felt he used them to be hip and edgy as opposed to being realistic. Seemed cheap.

[@oliverholmes-gunning5372]

@@andyhurst34 fair enough, tbh it's been so long since I saw it that I couldn't tell you if I agree or not. The only scene I really remember well is the bank robbery scene (which in fairness is pretty tense and well-executed).

[@pastichiorocker]

Tarantino got executive producer credit, but in reality he didn't do jack shit.

[@42tyreke]

I always wondered why they didn’t go into the honey bunny robbery situation as their third situation. Still love the Jules story though

[@lightningpoweredfilms]

I love how this is edited and narrated, reminds me of a podcast called radiolab a lot.

[@cykada1102]

Ngl the montage is superb my dude keep it up

[@consumedbythe6678]

No it’s awful

[@agitatedmongoose]

Avery only wrote the outline to "The Gold Watch" sequence I thought. This is what we were always told in the 90s. Plus we know Tarantino wrote a lot of the lines in that sequence as he was accused of plagerism for much of that sequence. Avery wasnt. Especially the line Marcellus says about the "pair of pliers and a blow torch". That exact line was first said in the Walter Mattheau movie "Charlie Varrick" and it was Tarantino who was blamed for this plagerism and it was Tarantino who had to defend himself in those instances.

[@stephengibbons2260]

This video was fantastic. I'd love to be able to make something like it.

[@shiven513]

My dad adores Quentin Tarintino but I never really liked some parts of his writing, now I know why.

[@jackjac]

Wow, very nice research. Looking forward to pt. 2

[@jctai100]

Your Tarantino impression is on point good sir

[@sweetgav9163]

I like how you’re acting like Tarantino in the voice over. Great touch 👏🏻

[@struanthomson1855]

This vid has been appearing in my recommendations with a different title every day, for the love of god just pick one

[@CoconutPete]

I'll never forget the first time watching Pulp Fiction in the movie theater... as memorable as the first time watching Star Wars or Jaws

[@whatbroicanhave50character35]

The first time I saw pulp fiction was a few years ago. On the screen in the dash of my buddies lifted f250, buried several dozen miles in the north maine woods at 2 in the morning. Drunk as all fuck and smoking dab. I've forgotten most of that night, but what I managed to remember from the movie made me watch it again. Similar thing happened with Goodfellas. Saw it piss wasted and knew for sure I had to rewatch it.

[@joshuasmith6346]

The 1st time I saw Desperado was very memorable. Probably one of the best movie experiences for me. I was a young teenager and a buddy let me borrow this movie. I had no idea what it was about. I popped it in my VHS at night, I watched it by myself ,I was really stoned at the time. And the movie was sooooooo amazing

[@marinablack181]

Roger Avery is so deeply underrated. I'd do anything to see his version of Charles Burns "Black Hole"

[@ranulf8477]

If you watch Inglourious Basterds you have to see Hells Angels from 1930 too. Tarantino just stole huge parts from the german officer. Not only the conversation between him and Brad Pitt but also the whole mimic and gestures for Christoph Waltz. Kill Bill can also be seen as a copy of the japanese movie Lady Snowblood from 1973. And it goes on and on. I believe his only movie he wrote by himself was the Hateful 8. And that was a intimate play.....noone knows why he used the 70mm film for that because you only saw the landscape for 15 minutes in a 3 hours movie!

[@tkirby]

It's pretty obvious if you look at everything he did after. All the flash without the wit.

[@vanhattfield8292]

Tarantino wrote Pulp Fiction butthe story itself was conceived by Tarantino and Roger Avery.

[@vz3_]

Tarantino and Roger Avary have a great podcast together today called “The Video Archives”

[@CinemaStix]

Yeah! I talk about it in my conclusion. I was really happy when it came out. Felt like it really helped complete this story. -Danny

[@ThreeToesofFury]

FASCINATING. Thank you. I find the concept of QT's "influences" endlessly interesting as it can dance from "inspired by", to "copying is the sincerest form of flattery", to "umm..you should give credit where credit is due dude.". Also i had no idea he played a role in True Romance script!?

[@kevinking1750]

There's a video where he heavily borrowed scenes from old Japanese movies for Kill Bill scenes, the plagiarism is quite pathetic really.

[@pharmakon7920]

@@kevinking1750 what's pathetic about it? i'm not a tarantino fanboy but i think its pretty fair to call that creative re-use. it's especially important to tarantino's pulpy style which relies a lot on referentiality for its effects. if you're saying he should be more up front with crediting these references then fair enough i guess but he seems pretty open about it when asked in interviews.

[@KasumiRINA]

@@kevinking1750 not only he consciously remade the scenes as a tribute and never hid it, Quentin himself said "I steal". That's how he works. He sees an angle, a scene, music track he likes, Chiaki Kuriyama running in a Bruce Lee costume, and thinks "how can I use that?", see sampling in music, you use parts of other work to create something new.

[@elstcman5]

Love what you're doing with the titles of your KZbin videos. Videos are awesome as well, but the lead-in is great stuff

[@adoor3712]

They’re still incredibly close friends, they have a great podcast together called The Video Archives Podcast, and constantly sing each others praises

[@TheNikomario1]

Would've loved to see Roger Avery and Neil Gaiman black hole script

[@Leon-zu1wp]

In my opinion, Roger Avary was what grounded Tarantino. After Jackie Brown never again did any of the films feel remotely based in reality. Albeit poetic because Kill Bill is based on an television show in Pulp Fiction. The films have become pure fantasy past that rubicon.

[@KasumiRINA]

I actually like them that way. Tarantino is the _id_ of moviemaking, a _super-ego_ would dictate that a WW2 movie any plot to assassinate Hitler should fail, and that Charles Manson should be focal point of Tate murders... but we are tired of seeing bad guys win, or, at worse, get arrested or fall onto glass as hero holds out his hand. A serial killer who targets young girls? Show them catching him and beating him to death. Machinegun Adolf and his entourage. Have the family miss by a house and get them flamethrower. Even the most criticized of his latest scenes, stuntman beating up Bruce Lee was an answer of people always idolizing him and ignoring the abuse he put stuntmen through. All these are things people _want_ to see, for reality I have news... and Mark Hamill notifying me of air raid alarms. I don't need getting anymore grounded, personally. Let movies be escapism where diplomatic immunity waivers get shot through.

[@Leon-zu1wp]

@@KasumiRINA Tarantino is a hack. He didn't pioneer or think up any of that nonsense, that's all late-60s and 70s film and television. Inglorious Basterds is just a combination of the string of Dirty Dozen knockoffs that occured in the exploitation market. Django, well I don't need to tell you what that one is ripping off, but his two Westerns also take the Revisionism of the Spaghetti Westerns without having any of the deeper meaning to which make those films poignant (The shooting targets scene in the original Django for instance)

[@st2udent_650]

@@KasumiRINA Nailed it Traintino shows people what they want to see , even if they themselves dont consciously know or acknowledge it.

[@michiel1162]

@@KasumiRINA All his movies are about revenge (sometimes directly like Inglorious Bastards or Kill Bill and sometimes inderectly like Once upon a time). It's a strong emotion the audience easily resonates with.

[@Charlieb82]

Jackie Brown was only an adapted screenplay - it was a book written by Elmore Leonard and called Rum Punch

[@domracki]

Awesome video! Do you compose the music underlining your writing or is it from somewhere?

[@CinemaStix]

Gee I wish. But no. I pay to use it.

[@domracki]

@@CinemaStix You weave it in very well, then!

[@CinemaStix]

Thank you! Finding music is one of my favorite parts of the editing process.

[@jairit1606]

The dominant creative force shined through. In every group project there is the one dude who is just leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else and it shows.

[@uncle_uns]

Anthony Hopkins was on that ❄️❄️❄️❄️😂 0:09

[@ALGOChannel]

Avary once rated the Konosuba movie a 5/5 and said that "he'd go as far as to say it was the reason cinema was invented". That makes him a real one in my book.

[@danebirkeland9489]

Link?

[@averydae1810]

And Quentin Tarantino also has a female copy editor/script editor who basically put all of Tarantino’s messy ideas onto the paper

[@annaclarafenyo8185]

The "other writer" didn't write anything, he contributed the story of a boxer who doesn't throw the fight and then reconciles with the gangster after being kidnapped by sadists. The story's dialogue was written by Tarantino, as was the main story. The proper credit is "story by" and the main writing credit belongs to Tarantino.

[@vanhattfield8292]

Right, that is why he is credited as "story by" with Quintin instead of as a co-writer.

[@tareklegrand7747]

To add to injury Butch's story was the least interesting of the 3

[@jfrankensteiner]

First time I've heard either mention Mystery Train as an influence, which was obvious, so maddening it was often unsaid. What is the source of that Avary interview?

[@AlfonsoFernandez-tj8ux]

Roger avary wrote the gold watch and the Marvin got shot, bullets missing them.

[@kurtwinter4422]

Wow. This is like the Pink Floyd breakup where you realize the front man isn't the guy who wrote their best songs.

[@pothatuu]

Yeah, you're so right. Which is why Roger Avery has had such an amazing career, and Tarantino has never had another success after Pulp Fiction.

[@djwhitepeople]

Lol, chill. I get that it's a natural instinct to root for the unrecognized artist, but you can easily tell from both writers' later stuff exactly who was the driving voice of Pulp Fiction

[@christianemanuel6514]

@@Snatchystashy I think he’s being sarcastic.

[@Snatchystashy]

@@christianemanuel6514 actually you're right he is I read it wrong.

[@gromitpesley]

No Syd Barrett did write the best stuff

[@HorribleHomeVideo]

I have wondered why the last few QT movies didn't cut it for me. Now I know

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

Why do you suddenly sound like Patrick Willems pitched up a note?

[@ELi-gt4oi]

Beautifully made!

[@wilmergimenez]

Something I really criticized from Tarantino is how he steal from other directors and people who don't watch too many movies always think he is so original and groundbreaking but if you see city on fire (for example) you would notice immediately how Tarantino stole big chunks of that movie to make Reservoir dogs, I understand homages, but this wasn't that he took large sections of that movie how he wasn't sued by the creators of that movie is beyond me.

[@gabedom_]

That's his whole scam. He steals from successful directors, but aims his work at popcorn flick fans, not actual film buffs. Like a bands Greatest Hits album. No substance, just hits.