That Pedal Show - Six Awesome Flangers Compared

[@MEKnd]

That fixed point switch on Electric Mistress is absolutely great! I'm literally in love. Very good ring modulation like sound. You really should do an episode on ring modulators!

[@searing7549]

I just got an ELady and LOVE it! So cool! What a great sound. Unbelievably inexpensive.

[@brianingram2068]

For those still confused about flanging vs phasing: Flanging (and chorus, slapback and longer delays) is a full-frequency delay, where all elements of the guitar signal are delayed by the same amount. The delayed signal is then overlaid on the original dry signal. Flanging is the shortest delay, and results in severe cancellations of most of the original guitar signal across the full frequency range, leaving a heavily comb-filtered resulting signal. That super-short delay time is then modulated to give the impression of movement in the flanged sound. Chorus is a longer delay, which results in less-severe comb-filtering and retains the movement effect from modulating the delay time. Longer delays reach a critical minimum at which your ear/brain can just perceive two distinct sounds; just before/at this point is "doubletracking" and just after is the shortest slapback delay. Phasing is frequency-dependent delay. Only a narrow band of frequencies gets mixed with the original signal at the right phase to be cancelled. So rather than the mostly-cancelled (with a few narrow bands remaining) sound of flanging, phasing retains the full wide-range sound with a single notch of cancelled frequencies. That notch is then moved around to give the impression of movement. More stages of phasing yield additional notches, and perhaps a more complex sound. The above was heard in the video in the way the phaser retained the lows and much more of the overall guitar sound, while the flanger could sound like a very narrow filtered band of remaining guitar sound. The differences in the sound are all about the electronic methods used to create the different effects.

[@doctiberius2717]

Brian Ingram please don't drink and flange 🎶😗

[@toddflowers8052]

Clear as mud.😊

[@tokenblakguy7268]

And for those who are now even more confused...

[@marcmistermarc]

So to those still confused. They sound very different in a swirly kind of way. One is called phasing and the other is called flanging. That's all you need to know in the swirlysphere.

[@stupidlogic2987]

"Phasing is frequency-dependent delay." Err no, actually, there is no delay involved in phasing. It's literally what it says in the name, phase shifted signals being mixed back with the original that creates the comb filter. "Only a narrow band of frequencies gets mixed with the original signal" - All phase shift stages are "all-pass" e.g. pass all frequencies, NOT a narrow band of frequencies. "phasing retains the full wide-range sound with a single notch of cancelled frequencies." - Multiple phase shift stages will create more than one notch, there is even a formula for it, for n stages, you get n/2 notches. The MXR Phase 90 has 40 stages and thus 2 notches.

[@brettdiaz]

Thanks for throwing the Mooer into the mix. There are some effects I only use once in a while and can't justify getting a boutique pedal to do the job.

[@tomparsons8223]

I purchased the Mooer Electric Lady after watching this, and Love it. It's a great sound, but also, its fantastic to be able to spend £50 and give something a try. Also, It's on J Masic's mini board, if it's good enough for J!

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

Only thing is I've heard it has a short usable range of sounds...like it has only 1 or 2 good sounding spots. Is it true?

[@willmac3521]

I KNEW IT!!! As soon as I read the title, I knew the 'Walking on the Moon' hook would be used haha! Love TPS!

[@drebrose1983]

Good stuff guys. Show suggestion: combo pedals like strymon flint, keeley monteray etc...

[@MrWoobag]

Would love that. Eventide H9 as well.

[@strazburg]

dre brose they need to do this

[@JAFOpty]

Mobius & Modfactor too!

[@overnightgrowth]

Yeah thinking along the same line here trying some of those multi effects pedals would be informative. Especially interesting for these guys to get their opinion because of their love for vintage pedals and sounds.

[@musubi2064]

JAFO-PTY A

[@2Plus2isChicken2013]

Awesome episode! At first was wondering why the ADA Flanger wasn't on the board and then I saw the reissue version. I think that one's my favorite. I never really know how to use an effect like this one, though.

[@lenduckworth99]

Great video as always but I couldn't help being aghast at the absence of the Boss BF2! It's a legend that makes its way onto loads of pro boards!

[@patrickredford8157]

I gotta say, I really really like my elec lady and with that footprint and cost its a no brainer.

[@arphod]

Got one used for $40US. REALLY a no-brainer. Thank you, Dan. You have shown the way.

[@rictube4716]

You should have picked the MXR117 over the micro flanger, much more versatile and another legendary flanger imo. The amount of amazing sounds that John McGeoch got out of them was epic.

[@Magic_Man916]

I picked up a Micro Flanger recently off craigslist for $40 and am blown away by how good it is. I'm not a huge modulation fan, so I don't intend to spend a lot of money in that area, and this is perfect for me

[@yanngiraud]

@@Magic_Man916 Micro Flanger is the best Flanger for those who, like me, do not like flangers so much. It does not have all of those robotic and ice-picky sounds found in most of them. Yes, it's not crazy but it's warm, covers a lot of grounds and there's no bad sound out of it whether you set it at 0 or all the way up. One of the best modulation pedals that there is.

[@randychapman9527]

It's about damn time Alex Lifeson was referenced boys!!!!! 👍👍

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Love Alex. Absolute Beast on Guitar. Monster Player. All Lazer-Accurate & Precision. He is like a Hybrid between Steve Howe & Jimmy Page. Super nice guy - too.

[@TheRaviotar]

Michael Caz He's a fantastic player who I think was always a bit underrated because he was playing with the best rhythm section in rock music.

[@alexmurphy5289]

@@TheRaviotar He's still incredible and shouldn't be so hidden

[@erpringle]

What is the name of the song that dan kept playing the riff to by rush? Do you know?

[@JAFOpty]

honestly, I want you to do fancy and vintage expensive stuff.... there are thousands of other demos for MXR, Boss and TC. I love that you show the very same pedals that Gilmour and Page used in the 70s that are impossible to get, and boutique stuff too.

[@RAVINGMUNSTER]

JAFO-PTY Totally agree love to hear the classics, however, it's great when there's an affordable '10p' alternative included - especially with effects like flangers that some of us won't use that regularly. A couple of vintage options, a couple of the very finest boutique pedals, the industry standard and the best of the bargain price alternatives would be the perfect mix I'd like to see.

[@JAFOpty]

Nicholas M I agree with you, I love how they showed the EL vs mooer. But old gear and the stories behind them is what makes this channel special... and not doing a Boss vs TC vs MXR, there are 5k+ channels doing that.... that is all.

[@chrisegg7936]

JAFO-PTY i’m two years behind on this but i agree

[@FabAndroid]

There are a few companies selling the eleclady / elady under different brand names but with the exact same circuit (which has eleclady printed right on the PCB regardless of whose name is on the outside of the box). Some do appear to use cheaper pots and jacks, but as far as I can tell the Donner Jet Convolution is part for part identical to the Mooer for less than half the money, if anyone is still on the fence.

[@therecordfable]

The Electro Harmonix Stereo Electric Mistress is a great addition to any board. I've had one for years. The filter matrix is so much fun. Super useful in the studio as well.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Ding Dong Ditch Indeed!

[@mikes062]

I used to have a boss bf3, and it was awesome!! I'll get another some time! That electric mistress is pretty sweet though!

[@marknason4572]

Best compliment I can give this show: Even when you're talking about an effect I have no interest in (i.e. Flange) I still watch the whole thing!

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Mark Nason Thank you Mark - that is high praise indeed! Cheers, and thanks for watching!

[@TraneFrancks]

Totally digging going through the old catalog, guys. I have a Maxon FL-301 Japanese reissue flanger. I _adore_ this thing. One of the things that I love most that might drive people crazy is that it has noticeable gain. Having it in the effects loop and kicking it on nets a palpable boost of gain. On an amp that's working hard already, it's just glorious.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

Flanger is my favorite pedal effect the sounds are cool and lots of fun!

[@justinregelin8699]

Just ordered an elec-lady. Between this vid, and many other demos, it's too close to not pick up for the price and small footprint. Nails the Gilmour stuff.

[@nicholaspetergagg7769]

No mention of John Mcgeoch a multiple flanger pedal user, he used mxr and ibanez flangers to shape his sound before a distorted amp. Listen to Siouxsie and the Banshees Juju album for astonishing inventive guitar.

[@DerbyCityRockCo]

I find myself leaning toward the more subtle effects. When you all did the phaser episode, I favored the much lighter Phase 45. This time, I find myself leaning toward the MXR for the same reason.

[@davidkieltyka9]

I like the Phase 45 (and the current DOD 201) for the same reason. The Electric Mistress can be dialed in more subtley than Mick & Dan did in this video, though.

[@gratefulmule]

Adam K I'm the same phase 45 on my board plus the micro flanger great pedal.

[@michael_caz_nyc]

I think the Thru Zero Flanger is the Most OverRated Effect ever created. I love when Mick says " Why Would You Want That? " - - I Agree with You Mick on this one. I prefer that Liquid, Comb Filtering "ala " David Gilmour / Andy Summers. Give me the Electric Mistress, Hartman Analog Flanger or the Mooer E-Lady. I Love the Show. You guys are phenomenal & so informative.

[@ishancooper]

Thanks guys!! Good to hear some more flangers side-by-side. I still keep going back to my BF-2 :)

[@larry2388]

I really enjoyed this episode. How about a show on feedback? You know....Hendrix style. Every guitar player needs feedback control, and now there are many pedals on the market that aid guitarists in getting feedback. Like the Boss FB-2. Or maybe a show on Intelligent or Polyphonic harmonizers. I'm having a hard time finding the right one for me.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+LARRY Great shout Larry!

[@neilomac]

For the Most Impractical Pedalboard video, can I recommend the Hughes & Kettner Warp Factor pedal? A one trick pony (Nu Metal distortion), an unwieldy size & shape (big & round, kinda like a Fuzz Face), in & out jacks going left to right as opposed to right to left like most pedals, and a daft non standard voltage PSU with no ability to run off batteries.

[@larsoN2209]

finally some love for the amazing pleximan! FINALLY! got mine a week ago and its my ultimate dream amp! so versatile, small, affordable and loads and loads of tone!

[@tireoghain82]

So cool. Flangers really ought to have an expression pedal option manually sweep the rate of flange with one's foot. Need more horn honks though!

[@heMANshred]

Tïr Eoghain Blackman chase bliss spectre.

[@larry2388]

I think every pedal should come with an expression pedal for at least one control. Reverb for the feedback. Distortion for the gain. Tremolo for the speed. Compression for the sustain. I really hate bending over these days.

[@javiceres]

Yes. Like A/DA and Moog

[@timothybradley926]

The Morley Pro Flanger Chrome series had operated with a foot pedal that had variable control over phase, depth, travel, pitch, and LFO waveform. It is probably one the most interesting and best sounding pedal processors ever made, that had pedal control that wasn't even surpassed by high end rack processing using continuous controllers. The Pro Flanger was capable of flanging, Chorus, pitch modulation, Doppler effects, Leslie Rotary sounds, and "Ray-gun" modulation. If you find one, buy it!

[@AuntAlnico4]

Tïr Eoghain Blackman * Boom ! That is the Morley pedal that I had ! It had a expression pedal built in to the phase/chorus.

[@GNeuman]

Hey Guys! Love your channel! Remember the Boss microrack RDD-10 from the 80's? This little beauty could do delay, modulated delay, chorus and flange...Still a great piece of kit, IMHO...

[@jasonstone9779]

And I thought I was almost alone in the love of flanger.........but where was the Boss BF-2 (or BF-3 but you can borrow mine for a review if you need, BF-2 that is). It's my favourite Flanger and is just awesome, especially for getting the jet plane sound - very easily done with the BF-2. Love your videos too, damned good stuff!

[@jonnyfive5000]

I like flanger when it sounds like chorus. Other wise I start feeling sick and dizzy after a while.

[@reallyreallyryan]

Easily the best demo type content on KZbin, keep up the good work, men. I would love to see more of the good old PRS, as I find it really hard to judge how a pedal/amp will interact with my prs compared to a Fender or Gibson type deal. It seems to be a massively goldilocks type affair for me. Plus it's just bloody lovely!

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Ryan Simmons Thanks Ryan. I'll play the PRS from time to time. It's such a good sounding guitar. :0)

[@owenhu9465]

flanger is imo the best modulation effect for rhythm playing with overdrive!

[@WinterHillTube]

The flanger effect was originally produced by using two slightly out of sync reel-to-reel tape machines playing the same sound. By leaning on the flange of one of the tape reels, the speed of one of the tape decks could be slightly altered, resulting in subtle phase cancellations between the sounds played from the two tape machines. This contraption is a digital implementation of a flanger. Unlike the flanger, the phaser effect has been developed entirely within the electronic field. Phaser (specifically the Phaser contraption in AudioMulch) applies a modulated whooshing sound (otherwise known as selective phase reinforcement and cancellation) to the input signal. A series of all-pass filters, frequency modulated by a sine wave, are used to create this effect. You can specify the range of frequencies over which the filter sweeps, and how fast the filter sweeps up and down. The amount of resonance can be controlled, and you can control the level of phased signal that is mixed back in with the input. (Extracts taken from the AudioMulch help file for the Phaser and Flanger contraption. Mulch is about 20 years old now and very much functions like plugging pedals together.)

[@gentGTR]

Thank you for bringing up the all-pass filters.

[@jtguitartv]

I just worship you guys and your show. You need to get on Instagram too! All the best, JT. :)

[@ThatPedalShow]

+JT Guitar Thanks JT. We do have a Instagram account, but somebody else set one up pretending to be us, so we quickly lost interest. It's hard enough making the videos! We'll get there...

[@jtguitartv]

Well, you do an excellent job with the videos! They're a real inspiration to me and many others I'm sure. Both with their content and production quality. Thanks again and all the best, JT. ;)

[@Garethsschoolchannel]

The Mark Johns shout out, beast of a player and a fantastic teacher! Makes me miss being back at uni...

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Gareth Taylor yep, love that guy

[@nohandle54]

The thing I love about through-zero flanging is how subtle you can make the effect. you can create a "how did they do that?" sound versus a "holy shit, flanger!" sound. To that end, the Mr Black has been a fav of mine for a while now.

[@joesatchton212]

RUSH...all day, every day.... My god, thank you guys for the time traveling. Decades ago, my very first pedal ever was that exact EH Mistress. Geez, what I wouldn't give to have that original puppy now, insanely noisy as it was. Actually, that's wrong. The EH Electric Mistress was my second pedal purchase - the first one was the original MXR Distortion+. haha Yes. I have been trying to channel my inner Alex Lifeson since I was a wee lad. Nice job Daniel on the "Spirit of Radio" lick! :D Although shame on you guys for not tooting/name dropping Mr. Lifeson. Some epic flangers guys...but for my [sentimental] money, it will only ever be the EH Electric Mistress....warts and all. As far as I recall, the Electric Mistress is the one that started it all. cheers!

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Joe Satchton cheers Joe. We can't name drop horn Alex because we don't know him personally, dem da rules

[@joesatchton212]

Ah, gotcha...But wait! I thought that rule was only about using the horn to name drop? Does that mean you guys can't even mention a player's name at all? :P

[@alfother]

Obviously you just need to get him on the show then ;)

[@joesatchton212]

@alfother: I totally +1,000,000 that! [Is that how the kidz do it these days?? lol ]

[@bankersbanker7301]

Retro Sonic, Hartman and ThorpyFx Camoflange are incredible!!!!!

[@rarch1968]

I like to pronounce flanger with a hard G so it rhymes with hangar. Mostly because a non playing friend once pronounced it that way upon seeing my old Boss BF-2 for the 1st time.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+rarch1968 Flan gar. We like it. In a similar way, we like Flash Gordon's arch enemy with a soft G.

[@JohnShalamskas]

Fling, Flang, Walla-Walla Bing Bang

[@benjaminwoodrowmusic6070]

@@ThatPedalShow 😂😂😂

[@shaft9000]

Through-Zero is underwhelming in mono, and no mention of THE KING = * FOXROX TZF * Tunnelworm is quite gimped - two outputs are a must!! When each signal is inverted in phase L/R it puts the conventional flangers to shame.

[@juliowbarbosa]

Great episode, as usual! Yet, I feel sad for not seeing the TC SCF again... Sure, its flanger is not a favorite to many, but I really hoped to hear you guys opinions on it! Maybe a versatile pedal (2 or more effects in one box) episode? Cheers from Brazil!

[@BlueSkyDogs]

Love this show. I watch to learn n train my ears and mind. Dont ever stop having the expensive, rare and vintage pedals. I am not gigging dud to family ties and cant afford this stuff yet!but watching and more importantly listening is giving me inspiration and an idea of what I will be buying when I'm working again😁

[@gordrock]

Well done. I've been working with my phaser before and after dirt, loads of difference! to the point where a friend of mine has two phases on his board.

[@joeldelpilar3651]

Mick talked about a pedalboard building episode, that I look forward to 👌🏼 you could expand on that idea too. Maybe, like you did for guitarist magazine about overdrives, a three part show on basic/modern/advanced pedalboards and in each show three "price-classes" I.e basic board (like tuner-OD-delay-reverb) what you guys recommend under 500$/500-1000$/above 1000$, interesting? Cheers 🍻

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Joel del Pilar Possibly Joel. We try not to make budget the reason for doing anything.... though we understand that we're all a budget of some kind. Maybe we need to do more challenges, where price is a factor. That might work... thanks for watching and for your suggestions. Always appreciated!

[@joeldelpilar3651]

That Pedal Show thanks for the response😊, Since you guys obviously tried a lot of gear we all really appreciate your input on what's good or not. Like the mooer, I never would have tried them out if I didn't watch your show. Like you said Mick, you spend more money on some essentials (for you) and less on other stuff you just wanna try out. For myself I always wanted to try flange but the cheep ones I tried dident impress as the more expensive ones, now I definitely getting the mooer! That's why I really think many people would appreciate such a episode. Anyway still gonna watch the show, you guys are the best! Cheers

[@robholiday5370]

Great vid as usual guys. Totally agree with Mick's comments about cheap/expensive pedals, it's far easier to dip your toe with multiple low-mid priced pedals & upgrade if you want to in time. How many of us start with a batch of Boss etc pedals? There are always some that end up sticking around, too.

[@FLCTampa]

Thank you for showing the less expensive pedals in this video. Also, you guys have taught me a lot when it comes to pedals and where and how they work well.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Tim Rook you're very welcome :)

[@19maurice66]

Thanks for including a cheap option too, always nice to hear those in comparison to the modern boutique and classic gear.

[@matheusmota134]

Man I waited so long for that Rush Reference.

[@alexey7459]

Matheus Mota ikr. Surprised they didn't play any Rush in the chorus videos ;D

[@petejt]

Damn.

[@siryba]

The flanger is a much misunderstood and overlooked stomp box so it's great to see two talented and knowledgeable blokes showing just how varied and flexible they can be, especially as demonstrated here, as way if enhancing other pedals. Spot on as always chaps. Further to your desert island pedalboard episode, I'd love to see you both put a board together using pedals from a single decade only eg. a 60s board, 70s board, etc. it would be great to hear how the tech of the time interacted with one another. There are probably only a handful of people who might have access to such pedals and could talk with a level of authority about them, and That Pedal Show is definitely in that category.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Simon Godfrey oh, a decade board, love that idea, cheers G :)

[@scotdvorak8861]

Released more recently… the Walrus Audio Polychrome is my new favorite. Captures the Pat Traverse thing really well. Has that ADA magic and doesn’t tone-suck whatsoever. Even at a very subtle setting, can provide that barely detectable movement, that makes soloing really come alive and feels great under the fingers. Also does a cool sort of detune (Van Hagar-esque) thing… Excellent flange, IMO!!

[@johnfillmore343]

I was looking at the Mu-tron pedals on the back wall. I had a Mu-tron phaser which was a great phaser, but my favorite Mu-tron device was their Volume-Wah. So sorry I sold it years ago.

[@omikl]

"Thrown into a pit with a pair of hungry Flangers": Standard Editorial punishment for transgressions at Guitarist Magazine circa 1995 ;-)

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Steve Kellett Man walks into a bar, asks for a double entendre. So the barmaid gives him one. *Please edit the gender identifiers in this joke to whatever offends you least.

[@Robstafarian]

For the show on phasers, check out the Cusack Music Tap-A-Phase. I could ship mine to you if you like (I live on the east coast of the US).

[@omikl]

IIRC a Univibe type circuit is a multi stage phaser attempting to emulate a Leslie Speaker, whereas a Vibrato circuit rhythmically changes the pitch of the signal without mixing it back with the dry signal. If I ever get the chance I'll retrieve my old one knob black box phaser & Colorsound Wah from my mate in the UK. I temporarily left them with him in 1985 while I moved house ;-) I don't think there's any hope that the DiMarzio PAF's still there :-)

[@richardhuckle5715]

Gets me thinking of songs that used a flanger. Mostly for intros, but i think i can remember a Gary Moore ( coliseum2 band ?) track where it is used for most of it.

[@apeekaboo]

Thanks guys! I'm looking forward to the video on that big impractical pedal board. =)

[@ThatPedalShow]

+apeekaboo we've filmed it already, so much fun

[@VerdiMMayerJr]

Can we expect a future episode on Ring Mods? 😁

[@Stratomacaster]

No, but here... let me go ahead and give you what that show would be like... Dan: "Hi! Dan here." Mick: "Mick here. Hello!" Dan: "Today we're going to talk about ring mod pedals. Ok, here's my clean tone (strums). And here's the ring mod tone (strums)" - The entire room is filled with the piercing sound of melting glass being raked through your brain with sand and lemon juice. Mick: "Well, there you have it." Dan: "Ok, cheers guys. See you next week." -fin

[@VerdiMMayerJr]

Stratomacaster : lol yep, thats pretty much what I expected. I have a mini moog ring mod that is ONLY useable because it comes with a wet/dry mix knob...otherwise, they're pretty much a really jarring effect.

[@chaisehombre7723]

HAHAHAHAHA

[@chrisegg7936]

Xtra Spice Mikey this is more or less what Tony Iommi used in the studio for his solo in Paranoid

[@vkuolema79]

The eleclady is a pretty much straightforward clone of the Deluxe Electric Mistress (SAD1024 version). The True bypass feature allows to preserve the low end loss that is present on the original EHX pedals. Doing a True Bypass mod on your Vintage Deluxe Mistress will give you the same low end boost preserving the high end fidelity de originals have. Most Elecladys are made with Chinese BBD chips (MN30XX equivalents) which are known to be darker sounding than the originals .

[@freddycookjr.2164]

SAVE YOUR BACK MICK AND GET A FANCY STAND FOR THE HORN NAME DROPPER LOL

[@cabbage9398]

Or better yet: Turn it into a pedal.

[@petejt]

That would be brilliant.

[@shoominati23]

I've been listening to Among the Living by Anthrax constantly over the past few days. C'mon, it's harder than anything metallica ever put out.. and still makes me pump my fist for the cause at a well mature age! Those doubletime bass fills from frankie bello are killer and Joey's voice was just on fire for that album!

[@lance134679]

The Chase Bliss flanger really takes it to extremes. Very cool.

[@TomServo_MST3K]

I heard "Most impractical pedal board ever" and immediately thought of Doug Wimbish's board. Ever seen that beast? It looks like a navigation control panel from some intergalactic alien spaceship. Or a Bootsy Collins' hallucination. Same thing really.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Thomas Kennybrook Blimmers, what on earth must Bootsy's hallucinations be like?! Met him once in LA. On Sunset Boulevard. That was trippy enough!

[@GenericName86]

Living colour uses tons of effects, even the drummer has digital drums. It's amazing their tone doesn't get completly anhilated. I prefer Muzz Skiliings though.

[@J.ScottNC]

Great video guys, thank you. Really enjoyed it! 👏🏼

[@TUBEMAN192]

I LOOOOVE that Tunnelworm. Sounds out of this world!

[@andrewflinn3804]

That phaser! Have a look at the skreddy LMS. Please look in depth at modulation pre/post delay. Love your work.

[@chrismundayguitar]

Hey guys loving the ab's and the best of 6 styled shows... can you do 6 awesome vibes? Cheers Chris

[@JamieValente]

Just heard the reference to Mark Johns in this video! I am lucky enough to have had some guitar lessons from him. Great player and guy!

[@PeteHawthorne]

The A/DA sounds absolutely phenomenal, dear Santa....

[@scottdwhite50]

I think the mini Mooer actually sounds superior to the vintage Electric Mistress(which I once owned)...it is much smaller, noise-free, and actually has a wider range of sweep speed, features(including insane self oscillation!)and is inexpensive...check out other demos on YT and you'll order one as well!

[@michael_caz_nyc]

I'm with you Scott. No disrespect to EHX, but they Improved upon the usability: No Noise, No Volume Drop, Smaller . . . No removal of the Bass frequencies.

[@sethburgin5994]

Learn about op amps transistors and build an Electric Mistress with better op amps, & transistors in it, and use metal oxide resistors too. IT WILL HAVE A LOT LESS NOISE! Another easy hack, use shielded wire to the input jack.

[@RAVINGMUNSTER]

When you do your phaser show I'd really appreciate you including the Mooer Ninety Orange, and how it compares to your MXR Phase 90 - as you were saying for occasional use.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+RAVINGMUNSTER Yep, that'll happen. We have both. In fact we have many MXRs too.... mmmmmmmmmmm

[@RAVINGMUNSTER]

That Pedal Show Actually, as you said you have a load of them, how about including the Tone City Summer Orange and the Mooer 90 Orange - which is the best of the micro sized affordable phasers?

[@jacobbrown1690]

use the evh 90. for script and modern

[@kwsailer1]

I love my old EHX Electric Mistress, but the noise forced me to replace it with an MXR, which I also really liked, but the power cord became a bit of a nuisance, so I went to a Yamaha E1005 set up for a flange sound. I eventually lowered my expectations and went with a Boss BF-2 which is almost an adequate flanger. But every time I pulled out my Electric Mistress it sounded so much better, I ended up taking flanger off my board. Now I am using a Subdecay Starlight version 2...flanger is back on the board!

[@edphaze6550]

Great episode again! I love your show. My question is about the difference between flange and phase. I understand that flange is a delay time based effect, but my understanding of the phase effect is that of a frequency notch that is swept. I have an old Peavy amp from the 80's that has the most beautiful phaser effect. It has a "pull" function on the phaser knob that allows for a "stop" anywhere within the sweep range.

[@Martinlgn]

mooer nailed it again

[@jamesgoddin8880]

Got to agree with Mick - the through zero does sound broken 💥

[@tonefordays3808]

Being a tech I'd like to say it's the other way around. The primary difference between chorus and flanger is the feedback circuit. I say this because that's what is creating the sweeping jet-like motion. Most flangers have a certain bit of overlap when it comes to delay time and with regeneration/feedback turned down you can achieve the classic chorus effect. Other than that a great show as always! :)

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Tone For Days well I'd say the primary difference to begin with is the shorter delay time, which gives you the more dramatic comb filter. You can still get the regeneration on phasers such as the PHASOR II by Musitronics but it's a very important part of the flange sound as well

[@tonefordays3808]

That Pedal Show well, phasers are a completely different beast so lets stick to the difference between flanger and chorus or we might just start discussing delay and tremolo as well ;). looking at the difference between say, an MXR flanger and a boss CE-2 you can clearly see on the schematics that the main difference is the feedback. The reason I chose the MXR is because it's a classic, and on the original schematic there is a note next to the clocking cap saying "33-62pF selected at final test" sure, this may be for obvious tolerance issues, but the fact is that with the clock trimmer you still have a VERY big range of delay time to choose from and these pedals internal settings often vary quite a bit (as with anything old). Well well, not trying to pick a fight but I just find that looking at delay time there is often a big overlap, but you do not see the feedback circuit on a chorus pedal (well, accept one and I'd call it a flanger because of that ;) ). And as I said, we have to leave phasers out of this since they are effectwise and circuitwise different animals, since they don't even have a BBD as both flangers and choruses do. excuse my english by the way, I'm from sweden so english is not my first language. :)

[@alanredversangel]

No BF-2! I picked one up for a tenner the other day and it is sweeeeet! One thing I hate with flangers is when it widens out and detunes too much at the bottom of the sweep. It can be mostly dialed out.

[@baronvonchickenpants6564]

Flange, what a lovely word! Flange flange flange

[@northof50now]

Great vid gents. Since watching your vids, I've become a bit of a snob with pedals [much to my chagrin]. The fact is, the pedals I've purchased from Lovepedal, Rockett and Suhr simply sound better to my ear. For those affects I don't use much, I've come to like the M5 from Line6.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+northof50now love the M5, great utility pedal

[@macbury18]

I definitely agree with the start cheep and cheerful and upgrade when you decide what you like approach. I've currently got 4 tone city pedals and they've served me just great, I'm thinking about replacing my chorus as its my favourite sound but the tone city doesn't quite do it for me.

[@ThatPedalShow]

+abnzg Love the journey. We struggle to find much love in really cheap overdrives/fuzzes, but all the out-there stuff... well, why not? It all sounds weird anyway! Ahem.

[@nohandle54]

Oh, if you do a phaser show, I'd love to hear about the classic DOD Phasor 201 - it always did something different I never could quite figure out

[@zac_m]

I love/hate these videos because before they even start, you hammer out a chord on a perfect Tele into two perfect amps. Flangers are super cool but I just wanna hear those two amps!

[@patrickb3064]

Hey guys great show. You should check out the source audio flanger pedals. With the mobile app they provide you can have a chorus, phase, and flanger pedal all in one box. Pretty cool.

[@Robstafarian]

I am of the opinion that a pedal is only as good as what it can do with its onboard controls. Any function which relies on a computer, obviously, ceases to exist when the computer is not available (TC Electronic's TonePrints are excepted, so long as one is comfortable with not being able to change TonePrints).

[@pinofredd]

mr EVH on the song unchained use a flanger very precisely time regulated. i love it. i think it was an original 4 knob mxr flanger, correct?

[@birdman4325]

Honestly if i took a dozen of Mooer E-Lady's , took them apart and put the guts inside some nice fancy enclosures and market them as THE Mistress clone at TGP.org;I could sell them at 200 dollars and people will be buying, no questions asked. too much cork sniffing, the Mooer sounds great gets you 97% of the way..and honestly ;if you use it live , people just don't care . u play that one on your gigs and play your 70's original Mistress at home/studio

[@undergroundjohnny]

Well stated!

[@markconnell7723]

CHINESE junk ! The communist peoples republic of China thanks you for your loyalty !

[@rectifier7578]

@@markconnell7723 Where do you reckon the components for most boutique pedals are manufactured? LMAO, another idiot still trying to buy talent with $$$

[@markconnell7723]

@@rectifier7578 LOL , You are a funny guy !! You speak , but you do not know who you speak TO . You must be constant laughs at family gatherings , cause we are in hysterics here. your fame precedes you ! LMAO !!

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

I once tried both the mooer and the mxr micro flanger at GC with the latter being very warm and musical with every setting, even the most extreme...the mooer on the other hand sounded thin, dry and almost harsh. I can't understand all the praise for this pedal.

[@timothyritchie5290]

I have a bunch of George dennis optical treadle pedals from the 90s including the flanger/chorus and the tremolo. thet are stereo with volume and panning on the treadle. have you come across these. don't use them very much. have you got any opinions? they often get compliments.

[@clintlombard1014]

Awesome video! Thanks guys! The Tunnelworm's beauty would have been much more apparent following a brief soliloquy on old-school tape flanging, with examples from The Beatles, Queen, Hendrix, etc. Sad to see the original MXR relegated, but there you have it. Keep up the good work!

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Clint Lombard yes, I have coveted the tape thing before in previous episodes but I should have recapped

[@Robstafarian]

Clearly, that was a Freudian typo.

[@jelliclecat3445]

Thanks to your currency going through the floor I got my "that pedal show" cali76 for cheaper than I could in America! Guess it's time to buy some shirts as well! Love the channel!

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Joey Belczak There we go. Every cloud.......

[@hankgalt]

I'm not a big flanger guy and pretty much only use it when covering VH or, coincidentally, spirit of radio or 2112. So, for me, the evh flanger was the way to go since the evh stripes look soooooooo good on a board 🎸🤘🏻

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Joe Sanders No arguments from us! We don't have one, but yes micro flanger made it in....

[@budmcnelson]

Brilliant as always, Gents; this is the perfect way to start my Friday! Thanks for including "budget conscious alternatives" in the last few shows. It gives those of us who are experimenting safer options, lowering our risk of wasting money on pedals that turn out to be "ghastly". It would be interesting and great to see your "list of cheap alternatives that don't suck", or perhaps a better moniker might be "Gateway Pedals". Cheers!

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Rob Nelson It's always a personal taste thing Rob. TC Electronic aren't 'cheap' but we always seem to like their pedals. Pretty safe choice / combination of good quality, credibility and loads of features. Cheers!

[@jeffrobodeenyehcmon5925]

I have a canine "so what" flanger and I love it. $45 bucs.

[@onionheadguy7094]

Out of all of the effects I truly believe that the flanger is one of them.

[@nicholsonfile]

These beige meme comments suck

[@onionheadguy7094]

@@nicholsonfile I made this comment over a year ago and trust me back then it was one of the comments ever made.

[@nicholsonfile]

@@onionheadguy7094 I get it. We're living in a society

[@MP-vg3js]

that remains to be seen lol

[@MNGuitars]

Awesomeeee...flanger is also my favorite modulation effect and the mistress stole my heart 8 years ago=) man that police sound is so good lol..u get that special low cut mid hump sorta with the mistress...what I really want to know is if any mobius users feel like the silver mode on the flanger algorithm is tuned correctly?

[@wolfnstrings]

Ok, I know it's been a while since this was done. I am wondering if the A/DA Flanger can get close to the Pink Floyd sound. I feel this pedal may be able to get close. I'd really like your opinions.

[@sduke39]

I learn something new in every show!

[@ThatPedalShow]

+sduke39 Mick here - me too!

[@wlawnsldj]

Was about to say please make a flanger video then you uploaded this. Thanks +That Pedal Show i'm modulation crazy right now just bought a phase 90 and micro flanger and micro chorus. now i need a univibe and wah haha

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Erjim Delos Reyes wobble tactic! Nice one.

[@darwinsaye]

Like Dan, I always loved the particular sound of the old EHX Electric Mistress, but I’ve struggled to like the sounds of other flangers much. The more whizzy, jetty, the less I like them. I recently found a weird workaround though. I found that stacking a couple of the less midrangey flangers at certain settings, besides making a really great, rich modulation sound, it also seems to accentuate a certain comb filter range and makes it more lush and metallic, like a Mistress.

[@LodvarDude]

Love phasers. The "Retro-Sonic Phase 90" is my weapon of choice. It can do a lot more than just "phase". It can "wobble", "spin", "be flangy" and (almost) sound like a Leslie - though I prefer my TC-Mini Vibrato to fill that role (Can't afford a Strymon Lex. Bummer.). Oh, and the Phase 90 absolutely NAILS "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" and "Breathe". Too bad I don't.. ;-) Great video as always guys! TNX! Have a great weekend!

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Bjørn Lodvar Larsen And you Bjorn, thanks for watching! The Lex will come one day perhaps.

[@rikh78]

how do you do a 45 minute Flanger video without mentioning Eddie Van Halen, playing Unchained and having the EVH Flanger on the board ???!!!! :)

[@Robstafarian]

This must be your first episode. 8?}

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Moltisanti it's a fair question. We were playing it while we were setting levels. But we were playing it wrong, so thought better of it. Or maybe it was Ain't Talkin' Bout Love. The Van Halen isn't strong in us. Mick's going to rectify this by reigniting a secret passion for a HB/Floyd-loaded Strat.

[@jacobbrown1690]

good point

[@livingabovethe12th]

the evh flange from mxr Dunlop is really good.

[@lance134679]

Electric MIstress, Electric Lady, Red Snapper, Tunnel Worm - guitar pedals or marital aids?

[@thorpenator9148]

That was funny. Sorry it took 4 years for anyone to notice. Cheers from Ohio

[@aaronboothe283]

That tone of the electric mistress with the fixed rate was special. I am not normally a flangy guy but that was something

[@ThatPedalShow]

+Aaron Boothe I really loved that too. Didn't know it could do that (Mick here). Thanks for watching!