"THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL!!!" CROOK & JOELL AIR OUT JOE & ROYCE (PART:1)

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[@marceldaggs9943]

When Crook speaks, you can feel the genuine nature in this voice. The yelawolf example, the text message with Kino, and his desire to get the group to historic levels. I respect dude even more

[@TheCosmicFailure]

No doubt. It doesnt feel like an act or some sort of facade

[@303TAG303]

Crook is boss 🔥 COB

[@bignutbussa3917]

@@303TAG303 Crook is BROKE 😂😂😂

[@jaccblikky8977]

He always been a real one

[@123Abishai]

And the opposite w joe and Royce. Glad Lupe stomped him

[@kavkazE]

Crook is the only one keeping it real lol. I like Royce a lot but he's making excuses for a friend that is a weasel...

[@ProvenSawlid]

EXACTLY

[@kenndogg1481]

WORD!!!

[@mrbcoolkid8623]

Facts. Joe use to be one of my fav rappers but as a human he is one of the worse kind. Dude is so manipulative

[@beachcity562]

Making excuses for joe

[@cervantesthenilbog7513]

Strong agree.

[@mca217]

There's a reason why Joe has a long track record of failed relationships whether it be with the women he's dated, other artists or with friends. He's the common denominator. He even said on a podcast in a round about way that he doesn't feel like he has to respect his friends. He is the problem and that problem has to do with a lack of emotional intelligence in how to treat people.

[@lonnielynn9566]

Realest comment on this video

[@Imbatman257]

Facts man! Joe is the common denominator! Everything that man touches becomes cursed! Complex! JBP with those other two ass kissers until it smelt like shit! Then Joe got two new ones now! Also the deal with Shady! He has probably put a spanner into a friendship with Royce and Em because his Joe! And it’s sad to see Royce do all that given what he got from Marshall! At this point Crook is a better friend to Em than Royce is! And crook just kept it real and said there is always different stories but look at the facts

[@keithdior1657]

He is also extremely passive aggressive a trait commonly known with intelligent people but intelligence doesn't equal smart. Smart understand treat people like u want to be treated n the arrogance that come with intelligence, is always undermine n condescending to that aspect rather your a billionaire or got 5 bucks. Mutual respect is priceless n costs nothing.

[@lonnielynn9566]

@@keithdior1657 and joe is more successful as a Podcaster than he ever was as a rapper, which feeds his ego so he not gonna be down to come together for the group

[@Kristahfor]

As a Joe super fan when it comes to his music, I’m going to have to agree with this take. Love the dudes talent when it comes to telling stories and rap. But as a person… I’m gonna have to pass

[@HipHop-vg7cd]

If I had waited 11 years and Joe stubbed up and wouldn't put in work, I'd be mad AF. And THEN...they all get off Shady to appease Joe and he still being mad disrespectful and refusing deals, FOH! Esp if they didn't wanna get off Shady, cmon. No way he was coming back to hip hop bc he makes too much money now so he wasn't coming out of retirement no matter what. Joe has been and always will be the problem, period.

[@Atribecalledsuccess]

These men don’t have minds of their own ; they don’t have to do whatever joe said

[@jerrywalker3788]

Naming your album rise and fall of the slaughterhouse is nasty. I don't care what Joe or Royce did. You ruined a name that yall built together.

[@CSpad]

@@jerrywalker3788 huh?? So Joe & Royce can talk about all the reasons constantly, but when 2 MC's actually spit like mc's should, they catch the fade? Fuk that. Joell & Crook have always been more str8 up then Joe & Royce thru their careers.

[@WaveOva1917]

@@CSpad just not as popular . They waited for joe cuz he moved the needle.when u not the star of a group u have to move with the needle mover

[@akaspon1]

@@CSpad Right. People were so hung up on the name of the album. Like come on man. All the while Royce/Joe said some really foul foul stuff about these dudes and THAT was ok because they are bigger stars? Craziness.

[@howitzerdriver7687]

The moment is this. When 4 men sit int the same room and talk through it. That’s the real moment. You will rock with who say what you want to hear. Slaughterhouse definitely under appreciated. Respect to all 4 members.

[@JohnnyCruz1]

Except they didn’t sit down within the group and talked shit out…like crook said, Joe didn’t even have the nerve to call. Dude had his direct number , could’ve called and he didn’t … that’s extremely disrespectful, especially when you’re working with that person.

[@frankverdin321]

Hell yeah

[@juice2364]

Esso shoulda been here to catch his shots. He was definitely adding spice to the whole “they did it cause they are broke” narrative

[@TheRealAwestBeats]

He didn't want that heat! It's obvious why he wasn't there. 😂

[@Chicagosuperman1]

It’s funny he missed this one after adding those snippets

[@isaiahpagan4374]

I said the same shit on one of the previous videos lol

[@joshuakithyoma9575]

Esso with his "frontal lobe is not developed" takes

[@EarthTraveler3087]

No Queens people so that a no show.

[@xandermartin2118]

Is interesting how Joel and crook are so similar & and Royce & joe are so similar.

[@TheodorePendergrass]

And that's probably the problem, the division between the four. Joe Buddon is kinda wierd in a good way, kinda like, it;s my way or the Highway.

[@xandermartin2118]

@@TheodorePendergrass exactly

[@ProvenSawlid]

Right

[@apuertorican1773]

Joe and Royce are the narcissist

[@PardonMyPresence]

@@TheodorePendergrass these guys are lying. Crook trying to act like he's closer to em than Royce 😂😂😂

[@jaysundj]

Joell never been this tight before, you can tell that Slaughterhouse shit upset him and he feels disrespected by Joe.

[@s.a.c6935]

9:06 you can definitely hear the pain is his voice.

[@COTTrader]

Him and Joe spoke before all of these recent interviews. They are addressing what Royce said recently now

[@johnye2210]

​@@COTTrader whatd roycr say again now ?

[@emushow9315]

Or he know he is lying

[@COTTrader]

@@johnye2210 he went on the same podcast right before they went. That’s why they are there to give their side. You’ll have to look it up. Too much to type.

[@three3thou]

At this point I'm ready for these two to continue as a group...

[@elcheleloco]

they just dropped a new projet together

[@dail.hiphop]

Then support them, they have 3 projects together, and all fire!

[@LoneWolfHustle]

They already did!

[@omega2648]

Yeah, long as they don't keep calling the group Slaughterhouse

[@sethtrahan2659]

@@omega2648 Joell and Crook from Harbor City nothing about Slaughterhouse

[@Louie200Seven]

Slaughterhouse was under appreciated fr 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@dassolosyndikat5113]

They didn't make classic songs

[@lochofmceo]

We appreciated them they just fell apart

[@thehandleisuseless]

they were been hated just cuz they was rollin with em

[@ryanwatson6911]

@@dassolosyndikat5113 i liked the group but you are right

[@insubordinatenyctv3627]

They didn't have enough material

[@thaB00gym4n]

Man u can tell by the way they rap that it's not just for money, they spit top tier verses and that can't be easy, their consistency is off they charts, especially crook, it's passion in those bars

[@williamgrierson4133]

I felt that. Ego and pride are the 2 worst of the 7 deadly

[@EverydayWithBobby]

Especially within Joe’s body…he has some really foul shit brewing with him. Fucks over damn near everybody that tries to help his undeserving ass.

[@tristinhall1275]

Sloth pride greed envy lust wrath gluttony. Ego is not a deadly sin and it's almost the same as pride.

[@williamgrierson4133]

@@tristinhall1275 My bad. Pride is still the most destructive. It almost always comes with other character flaws and is usually the down fall of many successful men.

[@Puertoito]

Joe’s bipolar has a lot to do with it too

[@schematicb5393]

Idk man wrath leads to ass murder and shit; thats pretty bad

[@POPLSEV7]

Math without a doubt has the best interviews of 2022 👏💯👏

[@ADG.Est.1988]

Agreed..he has the most important interviews of 2022

[@kyrone475]

Him and hov 💯🔥should do a Brooklyn Collab king talk

[@yb3604]

fr he should win an award for that

[@coolvibesonly2914]

Facts he really let in people talk

[@kamikazi5144]

I still bump Slaughterhouse to this day, a legendary group brought down by the ego of 1 or two members. Respect to Joell and Crooked for clearing the air and keeping it a 100

[@beastfather4541]

Sidebar: Whomever lined up Crooked's beard is the Real MVP 🔥🔥🔥

[@th-wf3sz]

Many didn't hear what Crook said..... It's 4 of us, light workload. All mfkas have to do is do they're respective verses. Egos get in the way too much with rap dudes. Then when you're the one trying to be the fixer or the savior, you're viewed as weak or needy. Naw bro, I just see the bigger picture here....

[@UnrulyOnYT]

the moment we’ve all been waiting for

[@PardonMyPresence]

No the moment Joell and crook been waiting for. They loving the pub they keep Joe in they mouths

[@kaylpedro]

Yep

[@calvincambridge4473]

Ong

[@JoseLopez-vp8vu]

@@PardonMyPresence -one of Joe’s girls

[@divisionunion1658]

Whos watching Joe responding next??

[@tajbass3570]

I like Mecca, but sometimes he tries to argue his opinion on too people a little too much it's kinda monotonous

[@gs3dreko797]

Facts like it’s only one way of seeing shyt he just so square he don’t understand other perspectives

[@robertnard3335]

Big facts! I swear I've been wanting to comment that.

[@trevontejones5892]

He’s annoying AF

[@mikelarry1068]

One of those guys who always thinks he’s the smartest in the room. Need to be silent sometimes

[@kaibalogun7974]

He gotta be right.

[@masterofthecraft1990]

They got off shady for nothing lol

[@thc3439]

thats what jowll n crook got for tryna please joe

[@nkazimulolangazana6058]

They got off bad business? Maybe

[@zod4365]

MAJOR DIFFERENCE in energy, that's why I believe them over Royce and Joe. Crook has receipts, and everything has facts to back them. Even when Math and glasses, "couldn't remember disrespect" Crook reminded them. Glasses energy completely changed, because he saw it to be the truth and logical. The opposite of his energy with Joe and Royce. The vibe is right here, not on those episodes.

[@odot8148]

Facts , that’s why they (Royce and joe) were so emotional. They refused to rap crooked and Joel snatched control and spoke their truth

[@KlassiKemcee]

Glasses 😆 🤣 😂

[@Brokenenglishfilmsplus]

The irony of talking about disrespect but calling Mecca "glasses." Easy name to remember, just watch any segment or episode.

[@thirdburna]

They didn't point out any disrespect tho just their own insecurities. Talking about "the energy " they only felt that "energy" cause they was insecure about the situation.

[@realtalk37851]

@@thirdburna exactly

[@urbanflavorz]

When Royce was on the show and talked about his friend who helped him and he didn't pay him a penny and turned it around like his man was stealing money from him, I knew what type of person Royce was.

[@emushow9315]

How wud u know?

[@Megahustla313rd]

@Tien Most Powerful Human On Earth Kid Vishis already cleared up the scam thing with Grizzy Hendrix.

[@urbanflavorz]

@@emushow9315 because from the story he said himself his man looking out for him and he didn't pay him anything. Then when his man got some verses for an agreed upon price, his man just added his fee to it and Royce got mad and made it like he took his money.

[@Megahustla313rd]

@Tien Most Powerful Human On Earth Nah, Kid Vishis said he has no problem calling out his brother Royce, if there's evidence showing he did the scam nobody was able to prove it.

[@jasonhoppe781]

Royce is an alcoholic. Now if he was sober doing that stuff he’s an evil human.

[@Photomeike]

“Oh you don’t respect me when I bring something to the table”.. that’s interesting because Rory mirrored that same sentiment from Joe when he tried to broker a deal with Tidal for the JBP.

[@afnanbogey]

Joe’s out there busy doing business shit and Joe doesnt respect you because you dont bring anything to the table. If you do, why the fuck are you doing deals behind his back? And it’s a shit deal anyway, which is why Joe’s gonna speak to the same people about the same deal himself 💀

[@Photomeike]

@@afnanbogey This gotta be Joe burner account. Cause ain’t no way you know all this information and can speak for other people unless you was there. Aye Joe are you going to all about the Kanye drink champs interview on the next pod 👀.

[@phantomface9211]

@@afnanbogey aye joe are you ever going to reply to Eminem on a track.

[@TheRealAwestBeats]

XXL was bigger than source at the time when crook n Joell was on the cover. Buddy with the stevie wonder dreads was trippin talkin bout "one of them"

[@jazzymidear3466]

Lmao Stevie Wonder dreads

[@TheRealAwestBeats]

@@jazzymidear3466 He had me heated watching this! Had to roast his azz 🤣

[@dasfx2895]

@@TheRealAwestBeats Grill him. Stevie wonder lookin ass, lil Jon in high school before the fame lookin ass, dread head nerd pornstar lookin ass, lupe fiasco if he went to a Halloween party lookin ass 😂

[@andrewyoung3729]

Buddy stays voicing his opinions extra loud all the time.

[@Blizzie85]

It's cause he used to work for the source but he definitely wrong.

[@emmettlester739]

Mecca rolling his eyes over the XXL magazine back and forth 😂 why is he there?

[@BmoreClark]

which magazine did he work for

[@user-tk7rl6hw6c]

@@BmoreClark The Source😂

[@Paparoach493]

and XXL was way bigger then the source, im teling you, these guys are sensitive.

[@onmyway2yob_tchhouse]

He's there to go on an unwanted diatribe like he knows everything about everything

[@heathhenderson8235]

@@onmyway2yob_tchhouse facts like nigga don’t know everything but swear he does

[@TonyBambino]

Who remembers the original Eastsidaz group with Snoop, Crooked I, Techniec, and Lil C Style? They had one song "Feels So Good" produced by Battlecat that came out years before the "official" version of the group Tha Eastsidaz with Trey Deee and Goldie Loc.

[@TM8044]

Where is son that was talking that they needed the money ish??..u conveniently not there right 😂

[@nogrecords]

FINALLY!!!! WHAT WE'RE *ALL* WAITING TO SEE !! STR8 FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH !! #CrookAndJoell the GOATS of this rap shit!!

[@Emily-un3kq]

Math and his team acting like they didn't notice how joe and royce was being disrespectful

[@Paparoach493]

its what i noticed about these guys, love the guests they have on, but they play sides, poke the bear by asking certain questions, when someone tells them their side they will disagree like in this clip lol some boys never grow up i guess, and where is Esso?

[@angeloufitness-inc4557]

Yo Math, tell Crook and Joell they should flip the brand name to HOUSE OF SLAUGHER and move forward with both the music and the record label! Onward and Upward Kings! Peace and Positivity to You All...

[@josemaldonado1712]

This is Rory and mal all over again lmao

[@deonjae4354]

thank you lol

[@rikkidgermano9640]

and Joe is still a sucker

[@lamontellis8430]

2.0 🤣 people only show interest when they say Joe name. Smh move on that situation is what it is

[@mojowasabi8823]

Really this was before rory and mal though

[@ReadSomethin]

Except Joe Budden is trash and Crook a better spitter than any rapper out now

[@MICHAEL-uz6zt]

Damn I feel bad for Crook this shit changed my mind

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

Narcissist don't feel they need to explain or be around you to avoid the situation..There is more power in keeping you on a hook

[@nate_thegreat313]

Understand why Crook & Joell felt disrespect coming from Royce & Joe, if I'm bringing in a massive opportunity that can benefit everybody and I'm not getting no responses from a member of our group is not responding He getting left behind. No more way I'm waiting 11 years for someone to come back

[@rockwild737]

So what? Move on and make your own quality music. They could go still go down as a legendary duo if their music is good enough!

[@phantomface9211]

@@rockwild737 didn’t they do that?

[@rockwild737]

@@phantomface9211 No, they didn't move on. They made an album bitching and moaning about Joe and Royce which took away from any potential they had to make great music. And the music wasn't great anyway.

[@LegendaryTony.]

@@rockwild737 Yeah... that was the album that dropped back in March, "Rise & Fall of Slaughterhouse" (and tbh the title tells you what to expect). Less than 6 months later they _moved on_ and dropped a 2nd album just last month called "Harbor City: Season One."

[@bigdick3531]

You caping for Joe says a lot about your character 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@CCHBKNY160]

I wish Slaughterhouse’s story didn’t end like this. Wish Joell and Crooked the best their duo projects have been dope. Good seeing them on Math but nothing new shared in this interview.

[@G-Loheem]

Joe really is the problem here. He’s a narcissist. He never wants to give the picture from all angles. I do agree the shady deal was wack and the whole sound they were attaching to that album was wack because they’re not that. But he’s still wrong for not just completing the contract and moving forward

[@sashalove83]

No real artist who has a passion for what they do is just going to put out some bullishit ,to make someone else happy. Especially when the business is bad. Respectfully 🙏🏽

[@joshtassie9478]

Was it really wack though??? It was more commercial than we wanted but that's what happens when u sight to a major..... the needed radio play and Em put his all into trying to help these dudes get big... lost money and didn't care.... everyone respected what em did except joe..... Joe is the bad situation for slaughterhouse..... in reality Joe was jelly Royse and Em put out bad meets evil and Royse was blowing up outside the group

[@reanukeevesau]

​@@joshtassie9478Facts! Preach it Louder for those in the Back!!

[@WesleySutton]

Mecca got amnesia. The entire crew sat up there with Royce and said these 2 were doing it cuz they needed the money.

[@truthspeaker4ever]

Glasses never pushed back versus Joe and Royce that’s the problem. That’s why I’m glad math had these guys on. Two sides to the story. I loved that Crook checked glasses! Crook made logical valid points to his argument about the money and the XXL cover.

[@koybeatz330]

From the beginning of this whole interview you could tell Joell seemed irradiated at math and crew. I don't blame him they were all dick riding royce.

[@Atribecalledsuccess]

@@truthspeaker4ever he didn’t check anyone all he said was his feelings were hurt cause there was a narrative that they was doing it for the money ; they like 40 caring about social media narratives grown the hell up

[@heathhenderson8235]

That’s why I don’t respect his opinion. He was leading the charge against Joell and Crook then changed his tune. He acts like he knows everything from every clip I see reality is he doesn’t know shit.

[@jamesjones-ez9ug]

XXL was the biggest urban magazine at the time.

[@treberryiiievo39]

Esso did a lot of talking, he should've been there, no getting around it...even if it was to patch things up, or gain clarity

[@bklyn706]

Facts!!!!!!

[@t.h5823]

arrogance vs humility

[@jimmyherrera3902]

Thank you, for having Joell & Crook on the show to correct y'all.

[@willblack4237]

Being a lyrical curator, this group was major to Detroit cats.

[@Megahustla313rd]

I'm from Detroit too, and I would say they was major to us people that was into BARS & great content.

[@vecindaddcarlos7668]

Hella props for this clip here. It provides SO much depth into the history of slaughterhouse. It adjusted some one my lenses on the whole situation. Good job 👍 keep it trucking

[@shadynation8205]

Okay now we getting to the meat of the matter ,people wanna know these things because if y’all don’t speak up they’ll run with Joe and Royce narrative

[@chakagenghiskhan4057]

Royce watching this clip, with that damn straw still in his mouth.

[@cfgodwell]

What I love about Math's show is everyone is in their right mind when they speak their truths. That's not to suggest that I don't enjoy the shows with the booze and bud (because that brings out another sort of truth), but this show is one of the few standouts these days. Good work 🙌🏿 And, Joe...👀 Do better, brother. I'm surprised at Royce.

[@abstraqtphilosophy7357]

There is nothing like his truth, her truth, your truth or their truth. There is only one truth which is The Truth. The problem is, people talk about the truth of their situation from their own perspective. That doesn't make it that person's truth. It is their perspective of the truth. They don't own the truth

[@misterhodge3740]

Brooklyn Hanz in the cut 💪🏾

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

Tell him, Joell 🤳 😂

[@gs3dreko797]

Stop letting cohost speak on Artist then duck once the Artist pulls up

[@mimijay5563]

Yeah Mec....a lil push back is good for the culture because Math caught his wave and he will go full NORE in a minute. I can't watch drink champs.

[@d77543020]

Let's be real. If the fourth man was anybody else other than Joe, they would still be a group

[@LikwidEMP3]

Anybody that doesn't want to place ANY blame on Joe... please... look at his track record when it comes to business deals and even personal relationships. Jay... Def Jam... Amalgam Digital... Ransom... Shady... The JBP... these are just off the top of my head. How many relationships does a dude need to fuck up before you start to notice a pattern? I fuck with Joe. I still bump Mood Muzik 1 - 4 til this day. I been a fan since the Clue tapes. But if we talkin about Joe AS A PERSON.... come on now.

[@Isaidit26]

My only question is why are these grown men dressed alike 😂😂😂😂

[@Isaidit26]

It’s like twins day in high school 😂 and I’ve never participated in that bs back then 😂

[@kaibalogun7974]

Royce never said they was broke he just ran with the hypothetical that Esso put out to answer the questions.👀

[@dexteredwards2048]

“How can you make the most money in your life splitting it 4 ways?”

[@BrklynBread]

XXL was the biggest hip hop mag during that era. Facts

[@ericgalloway5434]

I didn’t even realize it was over 10 years since that Slaughterhouse record dropped! I played in this basketball tournament with my stepdad( God bless his soul) and one of my homies and we named the team Slaughterhouse because of these guys. Always been a fan of Joell. Shouts to Cooper pjs. Crooked keep doing your thing man. The people gonna feel you

[@TheWattsSuperhero]

Harbor City (S-1) is gonna be a Phucc'n Classic!

[@ltlifecash5879]

Lol dawg this will never end

[@civilenggggg]

u not lying hahaha

[@khristianpeel7165]

You don’t think they should able to say their peace after Royce went on here talking crazy? 🤔

[@willt8848]

Did you you this when Royce was on the show? If not stfu

[@beachcity562]

@@khristianpeel7165 they need to be able there truth

[@Megahustla313rd]

@@khristianpeel7165 Royce was just answering the questions from his perspective just like Crook & Joell are doing..

[@socrooked_since_birth]

Joel Ortiz is tight tru this whole interview & he can’t even hide it 💯

[@kontrast4361]

Crook and Joell are dope rappers, completely different styles but both so sick in their own right

[@junglekiDD55]

CROOKED I is an Original member of the Low Life Hustlas rap group from Long Beach !!! Bad AZZ, Shorty K , Crooked I, LiL Jay , CoCo Loc , TiP LoC & Mz Legacy !! 🎤🎵🔥🔥. ( 19th Street Compilation Album )

[@illuzeweb]

It's Joe the fact that Royce was going between showed that he was still trying ot put things together Joe wasn't following through. But now the house is gone..so let's see who going to do the numbers

[@bigcat2075]

Ppl just suck nowadays no loyalty no respect

[@graphitepoo]

Lmao I remember a video of joe just staring into his camera in the studio while everyone else was in the background talking.

[@est.inthe80s]

Was waiting on this

[@justinhalethesenuts7769]

anybody else thought they were wearing bath robes in the thumbnail? looking like a chubby version of Kriss Kross

[@venglife9341]

What I don’t understand is that Joe constantly talks about his retirement from rap and then they blame Joel and Crook for taking the stance that they took.

[@26Cortez]

Do a tag team match album 🤷🏿‍♂️🤣

[@IdeasDontBounce]

Lol

[@SlickDangler10]

I'd prefer just Joel and Crooked by themselves anyway

[@Megahustla313rd]

*Is* *that* *Esso* *Running* *by* *the* *window* @2:45? 😄

[@KidTokyo_]

They said absolutely nothing lol

[@hollywood486]

Damn esso clowned da fuq outta them (unrightfully so) and did the clown move and ducked the smoke… You know what they say about the loudest one in the room tho

[@TheOnesAtTheBottom]

That Slaughterhouse, Yelawolf, Bad meets Evil was a great time for Shady records music wise. Just emcees going bars for bars each and every track, but politics (Royce problems with Yelawolf) and Joes ego getting in the way. A damn shame, as Crook said, they had a chance of entering the history books as one of the best rap groups of all time but now they're unfortunately just a side note in Eminems "Book of Signed Artists That Failed".

[@T2Runner]

What happened was that Royce and Joe went into different lanes and bags. They didn't care as much anymore. Joell and Crook have money and live comfortably, anyone with a half a brain can see that. They literally just wanted to rap and have the group cemented as all time legends. People don't get how this whole thing became a massive "what if?".

[@brandoningram308]

Perception is key. I've had similar issues with associates. Joe could perceive it the exact same way. Listening to all sides all I hear is egos getting in the way

[@mozi317]

The bottomlime of the situation is Joe never wanted to come back and rap no matter what he said. His podcast took off and he was and is making more money then he ever saw in rap. Why would he leave that to go back to splitting money 4 ways. Joe should have just come all the way clean. Seems he was misleading them , had them thinking he was down and never truly was. Either that or he wanted the whole situation to be on his terms and his terms only. He may have felt a way about Crook taking the lead and initiative to bring deals to the table.

[@viewsfromthe7side171]

I been a Joell fan since he opened up in 06 for Banks at BB Kings it was lit that night

[@qc9178]

I don’t like picking sides but i got JOELL AND CROOKED on this one, joe is a handful and Royce is loyal to Joe so that’s the downside.. would’ve been fine with slaughterhouse dropping without joe

[@blackice51374]

They even tried to without Joe but Royce wasn't going if Joe wasn't

[@PardonMyPresence]

And no one closer to em than Royce so for Royce to side with Joe over them CLEARLY something is wrong. Also why didn't crook sign to shady if he was so loyal???

[@ProvenSawlid]

Same here I believe them I don’t believe Royce or Budden & I think it’s mainly Budden that’s the problem

[@Luv2spooge]

Royce and Joe seem to love to causing problems for themselves

[@ljunyreona9882]

I believe this 2guys wholeheartedly rather than Joe&Royce.Joe the type of guy who think he is smarter than every1.

[@periseanbaltimore2037]

"i tried to patch things up but i stopped because it started to look like i needed Slaughterhouse" that's a very enlightening comment

[@garrenkeith1986]

They might just need to have a fade and then things would be solved.

[@hexiestmanintheworld]

Man this was needed

[@thecunninlynguist]

Oh shit..here we go

[@Kindaserious365]

So disheartening to see they fell out

[@coachtali5151]

It's the lack of accountability for blindsiding Royce that I'm not getting.

[@keyitnam]

They kinda answered to that with “you dont see how they(joe n royce) viewed us?” Probably feeling undermined in previous decisions to where they felt it wasn’t necessary

[@1937Mk]

@@keyitnam and that would be just an assumption , its even more disrespectful that you think that royce view you in a certain way without even having a convo with him about it , royce always supported and showed loved to them , crook just was on the allegory , all of these things couldve been discussed behind closed doors and without the drama and things couldve been cleared up easily

[@keyitnam]

@@1937Mk yea im not saying it’s right but reading between the lines you can tell they got tired of feeling “lil bro’d” by Joe & Royce

[@1937Mk]

@@keyitnam and again , that's just them thinking those things , if royce didn't see them as equals i don't think he would bother to sacrifice his relationship with shady to get SH off the label , for me that move says alot about royce's character and how he sees them , and if i think that somebody sees me as less i would talk to them about it so there wouldn't be some misunderstanding , that's why royce was emotional at the beginning bc he was hurt that they didn't feel like talking to him personally before coming out and announcing that SH is over

[@keyitnam]

@@1937Mk put the gun down I agree bro chill lol but nah facts tho and a year and a half goes by fast in music so thats not much of an excuse fr

[@othonpedro2870]

Kxng Crooked & Joel Ortiz I wish them the best

[@kincamell]

Heavy Gratitude

[@conflictortiz8906]

Joe is the blame for all

[@lochofmceo]

No

[@conflictortiz8906]

@@lochofmceo yes

[@lochofmceo]

@@conflictortiz8906 how? Shady records wasn't giving them creative freedom and then they didn't like the deal that was presented or the people it was coming through.Joe wanted to do it themselves

[@MosaicButterfly]

@@lochofmceo They had full creative control. Royce has said so, Crook, Joell, Em, Rosenberg have all said so. Now I've never heard Joe say that they didn't have control, but if he did, he's the only one involved pushing that narrative.

[@lochofmceo]

@@MosaicButterfly never heard Royce say that.

[@tianttaylor50]

We’re is ESSO 😂

[@johno8425]

So this is my take on it. Crook wanted the group back together, Joe didn't want to rap anymore due to his success as a podcaster, Royce too loyal so he wouldn't do it without Joe, Joell was like I'ma ride with Crook then cause Budden isn't serious, and Royce won't do it with out Joe. Royce and Joe figured Slaughterhouse would come back one day, but let it be on our schedule, Joell and Crook wisely said, "f**k this" and then released the Fall and Rise of Slaughterhouse. Feelings got hurt, so Joe and Royce started claiming they needed money. Sad that it came to this, best lyrical group in hip hop history.

[@marquisjackson9018]

Sounds accurate. I wish the best for these brothers

[@I-85SouthExt]

BRO YOU GONNA GIVE SOMEONE A HEART WITH DAMN GUNSHOT AT THE END 😂 😂 😂

[@errolwilsonvillep6774]

Joell keeping it real

[@willblack4237]

Crook was having C.O.B. and ciphers, gear, I stayed on crook moves

[@OriginalRoDale]

Bigger than tearing anybody down 💯💯

[@ToneyDouglas23]

Math and glasses being goofy in this interview.

[@emmanueloppong9778]

Part 1 for a clip is crazy😂😂

[@johnyrose138]

Mecca gotta go

[@marromorrison]

Is Mecca the dude with the dreads?

[@shaheemshakur6719]

@@marromorrison yeah.

[@braxtopiaplutonias5250]

Why

[@marromorrison]

@@shaheemshakur6719 yeah, bruh needs to go or change his attitude.

[@omardiaz8112]

Damn! Crooked had a vision though

[@704OMEN]

Lol Joe a sassy, zesty lil diva

[@Lalaphive]

I ride with Royce tuff but I'm on Crook and Joell side. It was light shade and disrespect on Joe and Royce side throughout all their commentary about this.