THAT SIGVALD! Tournament Finals | Slaanesh vs Lizardmen - Total War Warhammer 3

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[@Woodrow512]

I love how Turin has been saying he "still got It" for years now every time he wins an important match

[@christopherhayes1369]

Yeah and bangs his desk haha

[@lich109]

Every single time it's "The Slann's low, I can finish off the Slann, it'll work this time!"

[@zthornzx1364]

It seems like the issue with seekers vs the slann is related to the slann routing, must be a secret stat on the toads that makes them slimy when they're scared

[@user-mn3ex6vw9k]

Banana Slann using "Cowardly Mucus" - it's super effective! lol

[@florians9949]

“Sigvald doesn’t do anything too flashy.” Turin, we are talking about SIGVALD, the guy that puts bloody mirriors on his honour guards just to look himself in them. Flashy isn’t even his moto, it’s his middle name.

[@kirbythewizard101]

so 9 minutes in @Turin the reason why the cav couldn't hit the slaan is two fold: 1 - Some units literally do not have animations that hit units if they're routing and 2 - Slaan hit boxes are super haggard where their hitbox is deep inside their model, but their chunky model itself has an invisible wall around it, and instead of hitting the slaan, models will try to be base to base with that hitbox stuck inside them which caused your cav to derp out at 9:00 in the video.

[@M0DIDDLY]

looked like they were trying to do the bee thing where they just vibrate to cook the slaan

[@Aayren]

It seems there is different behavior for unit AI when they are fighting vs when they are chasing routing unit. And the second one is sometimes complete rubbish, with chasing units running around right headless chickens instead of attacking even if faster.

[@IIIJG52]

@@AayrenYeah trying to finish off routing units is sometimes SUCH a pain. Just no attacks going in at all.

[@ExtremeAvenger]

Hahaha I know exactly what you mean!

[@fallenprince7591]

I had the same thing happen in an Eltharion campaign this patch. I had a unit of lions chasing a low health goblin shaman lord, I used the warden cage so he could not move, then watched in confusion as the lions ran laps around him doing 0 damage for the full duration of the cage ability...

[@user-mn3ex6vw9k]

5:38 Gotta love the Soulgrinder jetpack jump animation xD always cracks me up

[@TheMagicalPinata]

It farts purple gas to gain momentum

[@florians9949]

Looks like a fart to me.

[@Atokensis]

@Turin The reason the Daemonettes got annihalated by the Cold-One Spear Riders even though they weren't targeted by them, is that once a unit gets its Charge Animation they Do impact damage, which scales with weight difference. To See that in Action I recommend Blake's Take's Video "Why you suck with Khorne". There is a section on Skarbrand where He basically explains that in Detail. I have used this tactic with Ogres to great success, when you Charge through a frontline to attack the ranged units behind.

[@ScrumChum]

So its an exploit?

[@erlendlarsenholme7515]

@@ScrumChum Not really. It makes perfect sense that if a cavalry unit or monster using its mass to smash into another unit, and push through it to deal "trample" damage. It's the same concept, principle and ruleset as charge damage has. If the unit it charges into has enough mass, it will stop the charge. If it's the other way around, the charger will just push through and trample. Example: dragon ogre shaggoth running over an infantry unit.

[@cyan_2877]

I imagine daemonettes are on super model diets and have lower weight on than regular infantry, and the cold one riders are probably higher weight than regular cavalry which made things a lot worse. Impact damage is also calculated based on the speed of both units, so I'm pretty sure that means that the daemonettes being super fast and moving at top speed towards into the cold ones made the impact damage even higher. Also if you look at that specific clip, pretty much every single one of those daemonettes got yeeted, which means every single one took impact damage.

[@peisenxu952]

Yeah, it's really funny to just see the Sky Striders walk *through* a passer-by enemy unit while charging and just wipe it out

[@Aayren]

Those were two amazing fights! I had such fun back in domination! I retrospect, I would go with skink skirmishers instead of chameleons, SL is to fast to try running away even after poisoning, and there is not that much use of missle res. Skink/Kroxigor might been indeed a better buid. Another thing - I played good 300 multi battles with LIZ in WH2 and I never used Slaans. God dammnit, are they strong!

[@liamcullen3035]

Well played dude! That was a fun match to watch! I love both Lizardmen and Slaanesh, and I always love seeing Lizardmen vs any demon faction.

[@turinRTS]

GG man!!!

[@profpwn9446]

OHHHHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAA

[@krazhuk]

Ow gad you've awakened my druid arena nightmares: cyclone, cat form, entangling roots, cat form, hibernate...

[@MrPacificStorm]

Turin, you are the best. I don’t even have warhammer 3, but I love watching your casts. You are a true entertainer, keep it up my guy!

[@riccardobert1950]

Same here, i have been following him since the early days of WH2, where i have been playing a lot myself. Sadly I most likely cant run WH3 on my PC, which is kinda old, but i love every single WH3 video Turin puts out there :D

[@skjefull8786]

haha, that thumbnail is so good!

[@BauthorFowler]

Moving a Slaan Mage Priest into close combat, seems like what Jason Bateman would call "a bold strategy..."

[@thouvenelclement2398]

For the anti-large, are devotee marauder that dead so u can't bring 1 or 2 for trading well into Kroxys?

[@jadenzantslayers6694]

They don’t have the AP or the armor to make the trade worth imo, and they get dominated by LM infantry. The Exalted Demonettes and SG are superior imo.

[@thouvenelclement2398]

@@jadenzantslayers6694 overall ok but aren't they dirty cheap?

[@jadenzantslayers6694]

@@thouvenelclement2398 yes, but hey provide the impact you would expect from dirt cheap. There are more factors to the battle.

[@emultra759]

Speaking of toads, do you think Nurgle will get Toad Dragons in their update?

[@florians9949]

Well if the Nurgle lord is Tamurkhan like predictions says, most likelly since he’s known for riding a toad dragon.

[@turinRTS]

Aye I do!

[@dupree9881]

7:22 pretty sure they would have done less dmg to the Demonettes if they would have targeted them. Not sure if WH2 already did that or if it is one of the many "features" of WH3, but the charge animation does dmg too. Probably even more than the charge attack at the end does. I remember charging Skarbrand along a line of skeletons, not targeting the unit infront of him, but always the one behind that, so he did the charge animation across almost the entire lenght of the unit infront of him and he basicly took away half health of every unit in the frontline.

[@prospero7849]

Really fun battles to watch from this tourney, wp!

[@CharlesProctor]

Turin: "Humping a pillar" Slaanesh: [nods in approval]

[@user-lj2xr9de6e]

Slaanesh has soooo much potential. Can't wait for their DLC after ToD !!

[@Gelwain]

Pillar humping resto druids... I hated them so much that druid is the only class I never played in wow

[@17thFable]

Final cast of the night for me

[@Amonabus]

@Turin if you're ever having the itch for MMO play, you gotta give Return of Reckoning a go. It's the old Warhammer Fantasy MMO that a group made a private server with constant updates. Doubt it'll ever have the player count of WoW, but I thought the PvP in RoR was pretty damn good.

[@christianweibrecht6555]

This is the first time I have seen a solar, crystal in tw3

[@shiggydiggy6847]

Slann probably have a hitbox issue when trying to hit them with infantry sized characters, Kugath feels similar. But the seekers being unable to attack the routing slann is something I've kept seeing since Shadows of Change dropped. When units are given an attack order to a routing unit they just keep circling it instead of attacking. Probably a much bigger issue in land battles compare to dom. It seems to happen way more often when trying to chase foot characters. Makes it really frustrating since you end up having to chase something to the edge of the map instead of killing the target in quarter of the time.

[@milominderbinder8655]

Its super frustrating, ive noticed the same thing since SoC

[@IIIJG52]

In not sure, but at least since WH3 its always been an issue with SEs for me, but im mostly campaign player.

[@wickd_5736]

The Kroxipersons are a strong and noble species.

[@majorfallacy5926]

charge does more damage to units that aren't targeted because total war logic

[@havocgr1976]

Been a victim of chasing down a druid in WoW in circles forever, so silly.

[@chasejordan5676]

Yo Turin what would you say your main is?

[@turinRTS]

Empire & Slaanesh atm!

[@chasejordan5676]

@@turinRTS hell yeah gigachad moves, thanks Turin! I’m a humble empire and nurgle enjoyed myself, very thrilled for the new toys in thrones of decay

[@isaacfreeman98]

I never see Skaven in these games, are they unviable?

[@profpwn9446]

They just are not very strong atm

[@expandeux]

GG

[@keropnw3425]

Great thumbnail lol.

[@SilverFan21k]

Wheeewwwww pre comment! Was excited for this upload

[@jc5512]

Chameleon skins take far too long to kill. Once you catch them, they should go down hard

[@DrBoofenstein]

Omg Turin you played frost mage?!?!? Shame on you! Shame on your family!

[@turinRTS]

hahaha

[@dodgyass11]

gz

[@Bans94]

Turin actually wins a tournament (its off stream) Me: He did it...? 😮 His entire fanbase: He did it..? 🥲 CA: He did it ...? 😴 God in heaven: haha what I did not see that coming ! 😂 (CA is about to raise the price of their next DLC by 50%)

[@Kaggiekins]

It's wild to me how bad warhammer 3 made the "can't damage fleeing enemies" problem. Nerfed the hell out of the few units that could do it well (ex. dogs) and completely broke most cav that could do it. Single-entities in general are the most broken they've been, and the tiny fixes haven't done much to help. Ruining the game for me that I genuinely don't know if my guys are even going to try to do what I ordered them to.

[@hitppohiman]

@10:05 Turin just casually admitting to live coaching during a tournament final 😛. Seriously though, if you're new to total war, deafen during tournament games.

[@profpwn9446]

There was no advice being given of any kind lol

[@micasa8421]

Day 5 of asking for normal land battle videos.

[@woodlands_]

I'm just now noticing that lizardmen players literally never bring carnasaurs or troglodons. Like, why? where are the T'Rexes?

[@oscarstaszky1960]

Pretty sure they're only mostly good for dueling other large SEMs in case the Lizardmen players don't bring enough range. And also their terror effects are useless since Slaanesh has permanent ITP

[@lich109]

Big Dino's are bad against Slaanesh because every Slaanesh unit is immune to psychology, and Slaanesh has tons of anti-large.

[@chingchongmypenisislong790]

Coming back to Total War warhammer after a long time it feels weird to see large units gey slaughtered by Slaanesh units who seem to be primarily anti-infantry