That Time Nickelodeon Ruined The First Two Winx Club Seasons

[@THE_ENBEEZE]

I HATE when people shit on the original animation and say that the animation in the specials look better when it really doesn't. Plus the first 3 seasons looked SO MUCH better in the early 2000s than it does in the special and later seasons in the 2010s.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

To be fair. The voice acting in cimalune wasn’t the best. Some voices were great. But some were just really bad. I feel like Nickelodeon did a good job with the voice acting. But I’m biased because it’s the one I grew up with. And I honestly love the specials. Even if they did cut a lot of stuff out.

[@ellentaylor6883]

In my opinion the puppet animation in winx is not the worst translation I've seen from traditional animation. That would go to the later seasons of Arthur. That makes the winx puppet animation look like miyazaki in comparison.

[@strawberrymins]

I couldn’t agree more with anyone on this round blue planet I’m so sad they’re not continuing with it

[@KarsonSquad]

real

[@theduchessofdarknessofficial]

Hate me bc the voice acting and animation was refined vs the old one

[@darkbloom6276]

the fact that the design of Dark Bloom was massacred too 😭

[@L0VESS1E]

FR LIKE WHERES THE SHARP WINGS AND TIARA? AND HER MESSY HAIR

[@greenstarlover1]

PFPs check out.

[@llysehislop]

​@@greenstarlover1 username too

[@NezukoKamado-li3fv]

Like she still looked good, but man, they did her dirty 😭

[@R.P.Pyotrsovich]

@darkbloom6276 Oi! As an American with Autism who spent his childhood watching only Game shows like Press your Luck, Pyramid, Wheel & France's Anime Code Lyokô* (*sometimes), and as a former subscriber of yours, I haven't even heard Of Winx club til the October of 2011 & I see the 16th of that month as a special Day for me. You don't have to be THAT nasty about 2011 Dark Bloom.

[@Elysia_Sunny]

Not to mention the complete AUDACITY to remove Season 1 Palladium and just use the season 2 design

[@DarkDevilMason]

it bothered me so much seeing the girls using the season two outfits in season 1, since i already had seen the original italian version.

[@MelonTartVA]

@@DarkDevilMasonplus making Magic Winx into Charmix. As someone with a massive stickler for continuity, that drove me up every wall in my house.

[@DarkDevilMason]

@@MelonTartVA true, and what they did to dark bloom

[@leena75]

@@MelonTartVA some not-OG fans still call the basic transformation (magic winx) "charmix" and it angers me so much, and they will argue that its the correct name smh

[@crimson1194]

Justice for Twink Paladium

[@brandyloutherback9288]

Basically, Aisha is the Jasmine of Winx Club, but even better, they have many similarities, locked in a palace their whole lives, isolated, desperate for meaningful connections, both are pretty badass, and they're both rebellious Princesses, not to mention they're both beautiful, and capable! Her and Stella are my favorite Winx members!

[@Dr_Doomfans01]

And since both of them have middle-east/arabian theme design, I can see the connection here 🤔

[@katiestevenson7742]

Stella is basically the Cinderella of Winx with her blonde hair and with her wicked stepmum/step sister.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

I wouldn’t call Jasmine capable per say, but Leila is so underrated imo. She’s my favorite aside Musa, and I don’t like her more aggressive personality she got in the later seasons.

[@humanintelegence]

13:36 "walking backwards is irrational. I'm Tecna" WHAT?

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Tecna.

[@peropero2208]

Like, her original introduction was 10x better cause it was her kinda being amazed that "Varanda" (Bloom) was apparently from Calisto and she slightly nerded out

[@Cookie-mc4us]

Removing princess Amentia and the whole downland arc is criminal! Season 2 is my favorite season and that subplot was the best Stella and Brandon story ever

[@mmgs1148]

S2 is my fav too, I really like the plot, people like s3 because of enchantix and shit on charmix for being too simple, but i love it. It was nice to have something in the middle between basic transformation and final form

[@asmaaziz9677]

LITERALLY cuz we were all rooting for them so hard after season 1 especially cuz they'd drifted apart after stella found out that brandon wasn't an actual prince. And in the whole underworld arc brandon redeemed himself and proved he truly loved stella and would never let anyone else take her place, its just :']]]]]

[@haveagreatday-x1g]

season 4 is my fav season for some reason

[@kristinahuchison2511]

I mean, Season 2 was done dirty so badly. A lot of Musa’s story arc is in this season aside four because of her close friendship with Leila. It’s criminal how Nick basically shoved Tecna, Musa and somewhat Flora to the sidelines for Stella, Bloom and Leila to take center stage

[@joeljohansson3615]

Clicked faster than riven throwing his boomerang

[@77fearnot77]

I will give credit, when it's due and this, this is hilarious 😂😂😂

[@chenillesagoe6348]

Jojo Siwa is that you 🤣

[@yukivermillion]

Really thought you were going to say faster than riven throwing a fit 😂

[@Laef_dream]

And once again season 2 got ROBBED (seriously guys what the hell….)

[@cierandelle498]

I love Season 2! Nick did a disservice by condensing it.

[@rhettmitchell]

It’s one of the best seasons too 😭

[@simply_chillcakes]

Can you imagine missing 5 minutes of the 4th special on cable TV and you immediately lose where the plot is going-

[@Igorcastrochucre]

I'm forever stumped at the "forever girlfriend" bit. This is the stuff they were trying to get away when they ditched 4kids.

[@SuperladCK94]

and 4kids really didn't edit this as badly as they edited everything else on their block aside from the unedited Shaman King. Sure some plot points were shuffled, but at least we got something enjoyable out of it.

[@BuizelCream]

Imagine if Nickelodeon really did include Aisha in their Winx specials from the beginning. She must've had a roommate, and who it could've been. The fight scenes would've been rechoreographed to make Aisha contribute something. Added dialogue and basically making her the most proactive protagonist. These requires a lot of work, I realized typing this down. I see why Nick just did the lazy route instead.

[@SuperladCK94]

If Aisha was in the specials from the start, they could have had her start off with her original roommate, Francis and then pulled a season 4 midway through where she now was with Stella...and that remains the case today...and that causes chaos.

[@DekaNovelist]

I am so glad you made this video. I had nothing but burning hatred for the Winx Club TV Specials because of how Nickelodeon cut a LOT of important storylines from the two seasons. What was the point of creating those two TV Specials instead of re-dubbing the first two seasons, which makes me sad since i love the voice acting in the Nick Dub. Season 2 got the worst treatment since it cut a lot of interesting storylines such as Hallowinx, Aisha's backstory and Musa's emotional conflict with her father 'cause that's one of my favorite episodes, and I was so confused that it was not added in the Nick version.

[@BratzRockAngels]

Same here. I would've loved Nick to just dub season 1 and 2. It was my favorite dub growing up for seasons 3 and 4.

[@DekaNovelist]

@@BratzRockAngels The voice acting was the best part of the Nick Version.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@artomapoan2338Yikes my dude. Bad take.

[@SuperladCK94]

​@@artomapoan2338 The Nick cast isn't actually bad. It's actually the Dubbing Bros. cast that can be the worst (they're great in other roles, but not so hot as the Winx especially Cindy Robinson as Bloom...yikes.)....most of them match up well with their 4kids voices...the only one who doesn't? Molly Quinn, instead she sounds more like what Letizia Ciampa would most likely sound like if she spoke English.

[@SuperladCK94]

@@artomapoan2338 I don't think so. The Dubbing Bros. Cast doesn't even try to sound like the Cinelumè or 4kids cast. Now, no not everyone is bad, but they sure don't try to sound like any cast we know in other dubs which is weird. Cinelume is mixed...it kinda depends on which season who sounds good and who sounds terrible. 3beep (formerly DuArt) at least tries to emulate the 4kids and Cinelumè dubs by doing vocal blends. 4kids is considered the best cast by many. Nick may not be everyone's cup of tea, but Alejandra, Amy, Keke, Morgan and Romi at least try to sound like Kerri Williams, Caren Manuel, Vashti Mompoint, Jessica Paquette (credited as Rebecca Soler in 4kids season 3, returned as Stella in season 7) and Lisa Ortiz...and they brought Caren back as Darcy (credited as Jennifer Cody), Larissa Oleynick and Kimberly Brooks also tried to mimick Lisa Ortiz and Suzy Myers respectively...same with most of the Specialists trying to emulate their 4kids voices...Matt Shively also chose to emulate the Cinelumè voice (Danny Brochu better known as Buster Baxter on Arthur), Liz Gillies also emulated Erica Shroeder (credited as Bella Hudson) and Kheri Whalgren immitated Rachel Lyliss. This is because most people are familiar with the 4kids voices or the Arthur voices...but the 4kids voices are more fitting...except for Stella...because it is commonly accepted in the fan community that no one not even the original Perla Labratori can play Stella better than Muffy Crosswire's Mom. The only one I found off really was Molly as Bloom, but that's it.

[@natbatlightwood5288]

'Is that the best you got witchypoo.' ... 😶😶😶 Okay i know 4Kids made mistakes when they had the show, but we can all agree that they nailed the trash talking in battle. Even 4Kids Bloom could never salvage a line as bad as 'that the best you got witchypoo.' It sounds like something a 6 year old on the playground would come up with.

[@greenstarlover1]

I died inside from that line 💀

[@natbatlightwood5288]

@@greenstarlover1 Same. Like i had to replay so many times to be sure i'd heard it correctly. Again i know they weren't perfect but the way 4Kids wrote Bloom and the way her actress voiced her absolutely dragged Icy for filth, Bloom in these specials just feels so juvenile in terms of dialogue. Like i'm not a fan of the cinelume dub (i just never clicked with the new voices) but even that dub did better than 'is that the best you got witchypoo.' 🤣🤣🤣 Like i know writing is hard, especially dialogue, but there had to be a better line than that surely.

[@kristinahuchison2511]

Same. I don’t get why everyone hates on the 4Kids dub, especially when its the one that got a lot of English speaking fans into the series. Yeah it definitely made a bunch of stupid and unnecessary changes and the studio itself was notorious for absolutely destroying various anime, but I still think Winx Club was one of the better dubs. Like, people who say Nick had the best voices forget how cringe the dialogue was in so many episodes to make it “‘more kid friendly” I still find it hilarious 4Kids actually did sneak in some adult jokes like the Trix calling each other b*tches and Stormy even calls the Specialists boytoys in an episode

[@laedollchick]

The dialogue and line deliverance is what made 4kids😭 I can’t even watch the original English version because it doesn’t have the 4kids insults or slang lol

[@AASDAM]

@@laedollchickHey i’ve gotta question, by any chance do you know who the singer is from the S1 intro for the 4kids dub? I’m doing a multilanguage and I can’t find the singer’s name!

[@Monsicorn]

Something else weird about this. Bloom doesnt have her season 1 outfit when she should in the specials

[@lasloapollo4312]

Maybe it was too ugly and basic.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Am I the only one who didn’t like her season 1 outfit? It always looked like she was wearing pajamas to me. Sorry. Maybe I just am picky about clothes.

[@aubreeofarc]

I actually miss it. It made her look like an ordinary girl just discovering her powers, figuring out the problems, acting like a teenager, and being herself. Also, the outfit gives me the early 2000s (the crop shirt top, flared jeans with stars at the bottom of each side, and her wedge heels), which I luv and feel.

[@kristof7341]

i really feel like people just say these specials are better animated just bcs they stay on model most of the times (well these are puppet animations so it would be wierd if they didn't) but like these look lifeless, everyone moves the same, they have no real facial expressions, transformations are boring and are all the same if you ignore the color of the background and sparkle effect.png

[@jaimemijares4419]

Mmmm no, no really

[@pinkstarlightchaos3076]

True

[@Dulce_Doodles]

Harmonix was a pretty redeeming transformation for nick

[@lemonyvee]

too bad it was pretty short lived : ( tbh i think it looks better than sirenix

[@Dulce_Doodles]

@@lemonyveeSo true. Harmonix deserved better.

[@CodyJacobs16]

I'm the only person who likes sirenix 😢😅

[@pandaworld8166]

@@CodyJacobs16 nah lol, top 3 for me

[@Dulce_Doodles]

@@CodyJacobs16although I may prefer Harmonix more i do like some aspects of Sirenix. Like the cursed angle and some of the spells like Aisha’s Naiad’s attack and especially the song.

[@guidopierro4193]

FINALLY someone who talks about how bad the nick specials are.... what I hated the most is how they did not sumarize the second season, but they completely changed it

[@laurimarbaez6314]

All of the specials fail in their own way, and what I’m about to mention is just one of many problems ofc, but one thing I personally can’t stand as a Flora girlie and a Florelia stan is how the 4th special handled Flora and Helia’s relationship, especially when you take into account the continuity of season 3. Since the 4th special very clearly shows them having a crush on each other, but never actually shows Flora confessing (and by extension completely erasing Flora’s character arc of overcoming her fears and insecurities)…are we just supposed to assume that the two of them got together off-screen soon after they met. Cause its not like Nick omitted their relationship in season 3. Its very clear that, just like every version of season 3, in Nick’s version, Flora and Helia are very clearly in a relationship by S3, so when exactly did they officially get together in the nickelodeon timeline?😭

[@Duckiana]

"this is my friend flora" -helia

[@laedollchick]

That was such a great part of her character AND how she got her Charmix too!😭

[@ping4d064]

i only like the specials as a way to rewatch season 1, i like to get through it quickly cause it feels so weird to not have aisha ALSO WTF DID THEY DO TO STELL’S SCEPTER?????

[@Naruto.Shippuden463]

Idk

[@honestlyboringperson]

More balls

[@Raggiefoul582]

weird unnecessary change

[@SheepChan.]

They through it into the Omega Dimension.

[@nilsk4720]

The worst thing about this truely was, that once these specials were released Nickelodeon even in countrys where they always had the rights to air winx on their channel, most of the time just skipped through season 1 and 2 with these specials for reruns, making for like a few years the only way to watch season 1 and 2 with DVD, since they ignored there existence

[@IsaacKlauser]

Luckily this doesn't happen anymore. Several dubs have come out after the Nick seasons, and they dub the first 2 seasons, they don't use the specials.

[@CryogenicPlanetGraceauria]

First of all, I think I am one of the few Italians to follow you constantly 😂 Suffering is also shared for us. The only thing that is saved, and will be saved, is our dubbing, which is always excellent and iconic 🙏🏻✨ A short sad story: a Winx-themed musical was recently supposed to take place in Casavatore, but it was cancelled because the truck where the costumes, musical and stage equipment and other objects were all stolen.

[@rhettmitchell]

Omg that is such a travesty about the musical 😓😓

[@jakeform1160]

What is awful about season 2, they got rid of Aisha character arc. To be clear: Who is Layla (Cinelum) ? Layla is a princess of Andros, who overcame her inner demons and she's really good friend. Who is Aisha (Nick)? Aisha... is just Aisha. Also she's the princess of Andros (maybe, If she even told it in 4th special)

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

Yeah basically Nickelodeon character growth to now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

At least Nickelodeon gave her the correct name. Layla is not Aisha. Aisha is Aisha.

[@SuperladCK94]

​@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian well Layla's a backup for when localizations in certain countries don't allow Aisha....particularly in the middle east. Or else she gets a name meaning "Water Fairy"

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@SuperladCK94Hmm. Did not know that. That’s honestly interesting. 🤔😌☺️😁

[@SuperladCK94]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian also in some countries Bloom and Musa aren't immune to name changes either.

[@WILFORDCLUX]

Specials 1 and 3 were flash/puppet animated while specials 2 and 4 were actually hand-drawn. Though you can tell that the hand-drawn ones were rushed, especially 4, which doesn't hold a candle to the corresponding season 2 scenes when you compare them. ❤

[@Naruto.Shippuden463]

Nickelodeon could have done so much good for Winx club if they had more time

[@akiinmoonlight79]

Time wasn't the Problem, it was competent writting

[@That_1GayTheaterKid]

Theatre kid brain rot has corrupted me. I read this wrong and thought it was a Hamilton reference 😭

[@albrtw]

No, they couldn’t..

[@naolucillerandom5280]

Well, they've had it in their hands for like 15 years now, and look at what they did

[@leena75]

they literally spiraled down every season with their plot lines, so HOW? ;-;

[@princesspid9471]

Your take of just including Aisha since the very beginning in the Specials is actually really good, like season 2 doesn't have much plot that is ultimately too important for the general plot of later seasons and they could've at least had the 45 minutes remaining run time to at least include a portion of all the character moments.

[@missvanillacchi]

im so glad i grew up with the RAI version

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

The story for it is great. But some of the voices? Some were really not fitting. Especially Musa. Seriously! Why did she sound like a 89 year old women?!

[@gian7288]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian OG Italian version voice acting says hi Which ppl always forget and attribute to Rai English instead

[@IsaacKlauser]

​@@gian7288Exactly - Rai Musa in S3 in particular sounds almost identical to Musa in S03 Italian dub.

[@idontsm0ke]

​@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian bad take lol

[@mmgs1148]

Yeah, getting rid of the actual charmix and calling magic winx "charmix" cant be forgiven.

[@Daryl-2009]

Honestly, I can kinda see why they cut Tecna trying to be emotional from the Seaon 2 special I mean, what introvert leads with something as powerful as: "Walking backwards is irational, I'm Tecna."

[@emuanon34]

This is the Winx Club I grew up with and I still associate the characters with these voices. These videos helped me understand what was going on behind the scenes and what happens after season 5 because I fell off it because I moved to another continent and they didn’t have Nick.💀

[@Serena-n4n]

Music is nice though..

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

Theme song’s definitely a bop.

[@Serena-n4n]

I recommend listening to epic instrumental versions of this.​@@harmonetheanimationaddict4419

[@wendywhalims1257]

A lot of background ost in specials was taken from s4

[@bananabutter8162]

True dat

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Heart on fire! Will forever give me goosebumps in the best way! ☺️🥰❤️🧡🔥

[@raw086]

Sad that this was actually a lot of people 1st introduction inti the show so much is skipped out that is brought up in season 3 luckily we have KZbin so fans can go enjoy the show the correct way

[@JalenMai]

i feel like the experience turned out to be the same or at least similar, i grew up with the specials and i legit thought Season 3 was Season 1 as a kid. The only things I missed out on were the Brandon and Sky switch and the character development that happened with season 2 but I feel like i can attest to the fact that the feelings of tuning in every day to see which winx would earn their enchantix was universal regardless of the dub.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

That’s a little self entitled. There’s no correct way. Everyone experiences shows differently. And we should respect that. Not discriminate them. Some grew up with Nickelodeon, some grew up with 4kids, and some grew up with cimalune. Nothing wrong with that.

[@raw086]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian Not discriminating the reason the special exists because Nick was lazy and wanted to rush out the story quickly before the season 5 premiere but the correct way to watch the show is to watch seasons 1-3 you miss out on so many great character moments and development for the other winx the specials is literally just “Bloom Club”

[@raw086]

@@JalenMai Yes I’m glad nick brought a bunch of new fans to the show but you guys deserved so much better between the strange airing schedule very few reruns and random hiatuses I surprised kids were able to keep up

[@leycylinappiah5503]

Man the flash animation that started in season 4 pissed me of and got worse from season 5. It felt like they were lazy to properly animate.

[@frenchhufflepuffie83]

Until I got addicted to your channel, I had NO IDEA they had done this lol. That's probably because I'm not from an English-speaking country, but I also discovered that the specials were also dubbed in my language, and I'm so confused because I know I have never watched them

[@Nancydrew301]

*at the beginning* i-is that stella's scepter? *by **4:00* get that scepter out of my face! O.O what is that?! And they did change Bloom's outfit....where's season 1's outfit? ;~; i'm glad I was busy moving into my college dorms during the release of these things..... By the time I got settled in, figured out how to use my first laptop and had access to TV again, this was over and the new season was out. I didn't realize the network liked screwing things over until LoK

[@theesolarian]

why couldn't they just dub the first two seasons 😭

[@Naruto.Shippuden463]

Idk

[@pandaworld8166]

would've pushed back the 5th season too far ig and they wanted to air that since it was new content

[@idkkkk7588]

​@@pandaworld8166Yeah but changing the artstyle this much probably took a lot of time as well. They could have easily dubbed the first four seasons in less then a year judging by the time it took them to dub just season 3.

[@BlueBlazeKing]

⁠@@idkkkk7588probably didn’t want dub an additional two seasons

[@josheh8286]

I remember reading somewhere that they felt the season 1-2 animation looked too old as it was produced in the early 2000s and nick really wanted to make the animation more modern + it seems they felt their seasons 1-2 outfits were too out of fashion at the time the specials came out.

[@screamingwhales4031]

Season 2 has been my favorite since childhood, so imagine little me's utter disappointment when i found out they were summing up all those episodes into ONE special. Because uh. No sapphic Musa x Layla shenanigans or Red Fountain concert?? This baby bi was not having it.

[@mmgs1148]

S2 is criminally underrated by the fandom

[@emotionalnpc]

I remember being so excited for Nick to get the rights to Winx, I grew up with the 4kids version and I watched every episode when it aired on Saturday mornings. I remember my sister and I recorded the first special on DVR so we could skip the commercials, and I remember us being so disappointed. It just feels so off, like it’s Winx by the appearance but it just doesn’t have the “soul” of the Winx I remembered. It’s crazy the disconnect from Rainbow and the long time fans who just want the show to be done justice. It has such a unique place in the magical girl genre, but I feel like the potential just gets trampled all over with every new season or iteration because they just don’t understand their demographic. Hell, even if it’s made for little kids, I think the 2004 Winx had mature themes and can be watched by adults with no issue aside from some corniness here and there. They treat kids like they’re stupid and only need flashy colors to watch a show and they tried to appease the older demographic with the live action that was barely Winx Club. I don’t even know how to feel about the reboot cause I just don’t trust Rainbow to do a good job I’m sorry. 😭

[@SnowFlower-ih7yf]

One of the biggest issues of these specials are that they tried to make Bloom the "main, perfect character whose friends are just there". The writers at Nickelodeon didn't wanted to understand why they work together and why everybody loved the original show. From season 5 until today they tried to make Bloom the "foundation" of the show, a person, who can be a role model for little girls, taken away her personality and her little quirks that made her unique, but not just hers, but everyone's as well, turning them into "shadows of their former self". The specials could have been so much more, not just rehash of the first two seasons, but a great chance to introduce each and every girl, their worlds and their interests and their role in the group, that changed their life for better.

[@Bluemoonplayz]

Even tho bloom is my favorite i agree . Like bloom was still good in season 3 but then she started to get more focussed than the others

[@noorh798]

No need to make a big deal out of it, she's just a main character in a children's cartoon.

[@noorh798]

@@Bluemoonplayzbecause she is the main character

[@Medbrat99]

One thing I really love about winx specials. That's what they made Darkar a fake Avalon. This made Darkar a much more interesting calculating villain. Not just ":THEeViL LAUgh dude" and fix the plot hole with Avalon 's complete disappearance after he delivered Bloom . I want this to become a canon for the original series

[@Medbrat99]

Even from the point of view of the plot, it can be interesting to beat. Like that Bloom's certain infatuation with Avalon is explained by the fact that the essence of the Dragon inside her was drawn to the essence of the Phoenix inside Darkar, which she unknowingly felt

[@WILFORDCLUX]

It did introduce a new plothole though. The real Avalon didn't exist in the Specials but he does appear in season 3 among with the other teachers (not with any dialogue but still).

[@StephDilimia]

​​​​​​@@WILFORDCLUXYeah and Darkar's entire ordeal is that he lives in the shadows. He literally commands the trix like 8x in the season saying they must NOT show themselves at Alfea and most of the time the trix stay undercover. Darkar NEVER leaves his citadel because his powers essentially contradict it. He is the SHADOW phoenix. Coming into sunlight does not make sense for his character. Darkar always sends allies or creatures to do his bidding, because staying in the Shadows is his power, origin and is what makes him stronger. Becoming Avalon does not make sense as he makes it VERY clear he and the Trix must not call attention to themselves and stay low. Darkar walking around in Alfea would completely contradict that and by extension break most of the season.

[@jaimemijares4419]

​@@StephDilimiaDarkar Is too much better in the specials

[@StephDilimia]

@@jaimemijares4419 Darkar is not better in the specials lmfao. He's a husk of what he once was, a threatening villain.

[@superbanimegirl1408]

I can understand if the Nickelodeon isn’t for everyone, but one thing is for sure is that I personally grew up with this dub- it was my gateway to Winx Club and even as an adult who can see the discrepancies brought on by Seasons 5-8, it will still be my favorite dub. The cast in that dub is just too nostalgic and perfect for me that I can’t imagine watching Winx in any other dub than that one.

[@SpecsTube]

Only positive for me was the updated animation. Given I grew up with the original versions, I honestly have never watched the specials. I knew of them but ignored them because I didn’t feel the need to watch them and I’m so glad I did.

[@Mohammed1000real]

Nickelodeon is still falling apart as we speak. And as a editor, i could put the time on making a restored version that includes the Nickelodeon voices.

[@TitanXecutor]

Also you would think redubbing the first two seasons means a quicker and easier way for Nickelodeon to make money. The show would last longer on their network and if demands are popular enough, then they make new seasons

[@MelonTartVA]

Sadly they were more determined to rush out seasons 1-4 for the word premiere of season 5

[@Tyler2K7]

6:45 You know how 4kids' Version of Winx's 17th Episode had Bloom (and the other winx) punished for sneaking into red fountain? Well Nick could've have done the same! If there version of episode 2 had musa introduce herself, why not do the same as 4kids?

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

...wait why is Sky cheating trash? Yes he was engaged when he was dating Bloom but dosnt he make it WARY clear he has NO intrest in Diaspro and wasnt it a arranged marriage he had no say in?...ore did the german dub change that too make him more likable?

[@IsaacKlauser]

This person grew up with 4Kids, I grew up with Rai and I remember it going like how you described it here.

[@sailingthemwebslmao]

Fun fact, these specials were my introduction to the Winx Club series

[@nicoleportnov3724]

Me too

[@winifredeghrudje9427]

Cool 4kids was for me even though I found out they censored it lol

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Same! The specials were my childhood!

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

They’ve got problems, but the specials are still pretty nostalgic to me.

[@thatxiaosimp]

oh yeah same 100%. they sure as hell aren’t perfect but they’re nostalgic as can be

[@SnowWolfAlpha]

They got rid of the season 1 outfits too!

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Honestly I might get hate for this. But some of the season 1 outfits didn’t look good to me. I’m sorry.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

​@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivianI agree, but only when talking about Flora and Stella. I actually liked the OG outfits for Bloom, Musa, and Tecna.

[@heathed4945]

I remember the specials being advetised and watching it in secret. Family was very "traditional" Ig ie fairies are for girls what are you queer? Little did I know at the time i was lol. Was so excited for Aisha bc she was new. I'm happy that the cinelune dub was on Netflix in the mid 2010s so I could watch season 1 and 2 without the huge amount of cuts they made in the specials.

[@WILFORDCLUX]

So is there any way the Specials could've worked better? Should they have thought of a more natural retelling of the story rather than rushing through a selection of unaltered scenes? Any ideas? 🤔

[@gregorywiederecht]

Well, for starters, they probably should have given themselves more time. Maybe if the specials had been 2 hours each, they could have fit in more of the character moments. The season 2 one definitely needed more than one installment, for sure.

[@raw086]

Would’ve been better if they just dubbed seasons 1 and 2

[@BlueBlazeKing]

@@gregorywiederechteach special is an hour without commercials, with season 2 getting a second special

[@jaxxseven]

the way bloom READ RIVER DOWN in the 4kids dub is hilarious

[@rjdarr06]

I don’t understand why they couldn’t call the transformation magic winx. There was more than enough time to throw charmix in season 2. Since the plot was butchered, it could’ve been a Sailor Moon S thing where the fairy-pixie bond spawned the charmix power.

[@mmgs1148]

The saddest thing is that people who were introduced only to the specials, will argue with you that the correct name for the first transformation is charmix

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Because Straffi wanted to Rowling away the differences between Magic Winx and Charmix, and Nickelodeon went along with it.

[@HaldjasHelina]

I was already 16 when this came out and thus I don't really have childhood nostalgia related to it, I remember being quite upset about the butchering of the first seasons. Great video! I never noticed the great soundtrack so thanks for pointing it out!

[@Zenfrogn]

I agree, i hate the new transformations, too. They won't even transform. They are just swimming around in glitters while already in their fairy forms.

[@MelonTartVA]

And calling it Charmix instead of Magic Winx. I am a massive stickler for continuity and that drove me up every wall in my house.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Still wondering about an AU where Disney and Iginio didn't have that despute and if they collabed together instead of Nickelodeon.

[@candy_ribbons]

They could’ve done what they did with miraculous ladybug (which ironically was also sidelined by Nick) Disney + magical girls just works

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@@candy_ribbons The difference is Disney+ and Nick distributed ML while Nick helped produce seasons 5-7 (and consulted on season 8). I doubt Disney Channel would've thrown WC to Disney Junior, and given the animated shows they were airing at the time, I doubt they would've made seasons 5 onwards so vapid--though they might've tried to make it more similar to W.I.T.C.H. This is assuming they did this around the 2010s like Nickelodeon and wasn't the main distributer of the OG series.

[@candy_ribbons]

@@OpticalSorcererI think winx could’ve found a good home on Disney XD (weird choice probably but I watched star vs the forces of evil all the time on there and that show was significantly girly while still kicking ass) maybe airing there after premiering first on Disney channel

[@SuperladCK94]

​@@OpticalSorcerer maybe not, but at least Disney Jr. actually had decent programming that was more in line with PBS Kids than Nick Jr. at the time. Actually better than Disney...PBS would have worked...and since PBS loves Canada...the Cinelumè dub wouldn't have ended and it could have remained getting more along the lines of the adaptation of Adventures from the Book of Virtues with a side of their other Book related programs, as that would be in-line with the friendship lessons from Winx. PBS would have also gone all out with the tie-in stuff for their education angles...just by having Arthur, George, Buster, Francine, Fern, Sue Ellen, Mr. Reed, Brain's cousin (the mother, because there's no way that any voice of Aisha will ever not be cast as a soccer mom in anything...she's too good at it!) from Sinikah and Mrs. Crosswire get together to work on some sort of surprise for Muffy and they imagine themselves as their Winx counterparts for a joke on the Cinelumè voice cast since 🎵"that's just the thing to doodlie-do-do!"🎵 PBS also would have found a way to actually put everyone in the club in a fun new way tied to their health/activity promotions as well. Bloom- art Stella- beach Flora- gardening Tecna- research in both book and tech because she's the Brain (not to be confused with her good friend Alan "Brain" Powers.) Musa- jam session Aisha- gym Roxy- pets Daphne- family relations

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@@SuperladCK94 I'm not an expert on PBS, but given their style of programming, Winx Club would probably have been seen as too dark for their audience (particularly the first 3 seasons), as well as lacking enough educational content since it was fantasy. Assuming PBS decides to extend the series (which I'd see as unlikely; they'd probably cut it loose, especially if their reputation takes a dive for having a show purely for entertainment), I'd imagine a lot of the fanbase would see it as ruined if they tried to steer it towards their own style. An educational WC show could work as a spinoff, but not necessarily a continuation of the main series.

[@homabasiri2218]

7:02 ´Getting the s6 energy ready i see´

[@yukivermillion]

Honestly don't understand why they couldn't just binch watch the previous seasons and just continue after what already existed instead of remaking the seasons, knowing they could upset the audience if they got it wrong

[@Naruto.Shippuden463]

Nickelodeon killed it with the soundtrack

[@Naruto.Shippuden463]

Who else didn't like the shadow of Phoenix special at all? It was just bad. We only watched it for Keke Palmer

[@DekaNovelist]

I hated The Shadow Phoenix TV Special with a burning passion. They removed a lot of my favorite moments from Season 2. I don't know why those TV specials were made in the first place.

[@lexis_trash4480]

The winx learning how to converge their powers was my favorite part of season 2. Episode 12 specifically is probably my favorite... seeing that they removed every scene of them in their classes learning new spells or training destroys my soul

[@1234tntom1234]

I do find faragondas line in the beginning of season 1 so funny, even though her knowing about bloom is random and never explained the whole “she’s not on my list, headmistress!” “Well she’s on mine, griselda~” while walking away is pure chaotic faragonda energy and I love it

[@yungf_86]

I was waiting for Thomas to talk about the Charmix and Magic Winx. Like how dare Nick remove Magic Winx, and make Charmix into their first transformation instead if a booster that comes with thuer own Charm and bag.

[@Nameless_mixes]

I love how despite how often we debate whether the Cinelume or 4Kids dub is better, we can all agree that nothing is as bad as the Nick dub. Also, I’ve been rewatching the first 3 seasons (I know, what else is new?) and I absolutely prefer the original animation over the HD versions. Maybe it’s the nostalgia influencing my preferences? Idk. It just feels like it has so much more charm!

[@churroverse]

i like the original 4 seasons way better than the specials, but i do like to put on the specials in the background while i do work from time to time. i also like to watch these specials + the nick dubs of seasons 3 and 4 if i’m binging the show as a whole, because having the same cast makes them feel more like the same characters in the same journey.

[@calvinvanbalen2664]

Tbf season 3 and 4 may have better animation but also worse animation, compared to season 1. You can just tell they took more time with drawing the first season. Yes there are a lot of small errors, but overall it looks on point. Season 2 and season 3 start out great but in both the later half have some rough looking episodes especially season 3. Season 4 just looks weird in the beginning

[@mmgs1148]

In s3 you can literally see Blooms butt in her enchantix form 😭

[@JuneieBack]

Say what you want, the 4 specials are what got me into the franchise. I knew of the show on 4kids but never was interested in it. Then when it came to Nick, knowing that they were specials got me into it with no need to watch full seasons. I think it’s sad they didn’t dub the first two seasons but it worked to get people into the show. Plus this voice cast is still my favorite.

[@cyberhero5559]

Same, the specials are literally what got me into this show.

[@candy_ribbons]

Same, they don’t hold up but I still love them

[@BratzRockAngels]

I grew up with the both the Nick and Rai dub. The Rai dub for season 1 and 2 and the Nick dub for season 3 amd 4. I wish Nick just voiced season 1 and 2 fully instead of making specials.

[@IsaacKlauser]

The Nick Dub is pretty solid imo. It's my second favorite after RAI.

[@mmgs1148]

Idk if it was good for the show, because when nick took over, it went downhill. A lot of plot holes like Bloom never using her healing again, the mess with "what is the final form" and the messy plot with Daphne

[@melodybloom3702]

ACTUALLY- Heart of Fire recently got an official release. It's extremely short, but it's available on KZbin and is without all the sound effects in the way.

[@StarPichu12]

i need "I might commit a felony" sing song as a text tone, that was amazing

[@GigiM_winx]

Winx club burst into colours in the world. Only for s6 and kinda s5 to put them back in closet.

[@MostSaneSimp]

Yassified to death sounds so funny

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

That sounds like an attack you use for bad reboots.

[@tokisaki_Kurumi_Xo]

The Winx be like: YOU’RE MY SPECIALZ

[@namzeditz4212]

When I saw Elizabeth gillies as Daphne I screamed out “JADE!”

[@Gear_Storm]

If Musas mom being dead is skipped in S2, does that mean if you only watch Nick that Musas mom being dead is brought up for the first time in the crystal labyrinth?

[@shineyydesigns7696]

I feel conflicted because I grew up on Nickelodeon Winx and I remember really liking Molly Quinn as Bloom. Her emotions comes out more when Bloom actually gets to be angry, like when Bloom regains her Dragon Flame and does that loud growly battle cry before she transforms.

[@queenietisdom4681]

While I have grown up with the nick version, I didn't even know that there were more episodes to winx until I saw the RAI dub. As most as I love the nick dub with its pros and cons, it did condense a lot of crucial things.

[@Amber-ny9qu]

Try watching "A better schedule for Nickelodeon's main block" by Evan Rosman.

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

I used to love the Winx club whether if it’s animation is on Nickelodeon or 4kids tv. Even the songs when they transform are really smooth and heavy. To be honest I like the fact the storyline in the franchise different version shows that the characters especially the protagonist bloom can be used in situations that’s similar to the 4kids original in the first two seasons that can be more serious in a 4K style than how they were tone down in og 2D style, but It sucks the fact that Nick and rainbow didn’t do the same for the rest of the later seasons.

[@Father_of_Death]

Look. I get it. 4Kids' attempt to make an American version wasn't perfect, but I think it is not as bad as Nickelodeon's tenure with the series.

[@sadienw127]

holy crap this explains SO MUCH for me! i didn't watch winx on TV, i watched uploads of episodes and the movies on youtube. one time, i came across what must have been the first and second specials, and i was SO CONFUSED and I also hated it lol. why is stella just bringing bloom to alfea like "yes she is a princess actually" ?? i didn't care enough to watch any of the other specials because i had already seen the first two seasons in full. i didn't know anything about the network transfer because i was a kid, so it just seemed random and weird. anyways thanks for answering some decade-old questions i forgot i had haha

[@shilohelkins1306]

Young me seeing that Winx Club was coming to Nick: "Awesome!! I can rewatch Winx Club again!!" 😆 Young me after I watched the Winx Club specials on Nick: "What the hell was that?!" 😑

[@DeBlauweOlifant]

I must say I find this video quite, overly negative and I think you misunderstood the point of the specials. It was not to update the animation, the goal was to reintroduce the show to an american audience. This had to be done as quickly as possible so that they could launch season 5 globally. When there’s less time, obviously they will have to focus more on the main plot and side plots will be cut. I actually really like the specials, it’s a great way to quickly introduce the series to a new audience. The quality in terms of animation (I would say that it’s even better than season 5 onwards) and soundtrack is actually really good too. You can also tell that they really put their bets on the project given they had famous actors to do the voices. It could’ve succeeded if they didnt reduce the target audience for the following seasons that much. It’s weird to have the specials be for a 12+ I would say, audience and then have the actual production they did with Rainbow be dumbed down to unicorns and rainbows for nick junior.

[@jaimemijares4419]

Yeah, the specials are really good

[@thatangstychick5789]

What are your thoughts on the winx club English channel being rebranded 😭

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Very good question!

[@filia_autem_draconis613]

28:10 I only noticed or saw it here but... what is up with Flora's leg???

[@emilyalucard]

I was actually okay with season 1 being divided into the three specials like obviously I'd prefer the full season but I thought the three specials were okay doing season 2 in 1:45 minutes special I have always thought was a bad idea though the guy that got to voice Lord darkar that was awesome he did a great job

[@slaydensable4155]

BTW let's all not forget how when nick dubbed season 3 they just cut charmix lmafo

[@the-nina-beans88]

18:47 Why does musa legs look like the knee joints are on backwards?

[@pinkprincess6136]

I love the 4 kids version more than the Nick version because I grew up with the 4 kids version but I like the Nick version too. I don't like the flash animation but I like how pretty it was for the Nick version especially for the charmix transformation. I also love the music for the Nick version.

[@The00qa]

Lol the Nick version doesn't even exist in my mind. The only canon Winx material are the first 4 seasons, and I only watch them in Italian because the voices are consistent and fit the characters well💪 All the English dubs are a bit of a trainwreck. The only watchable one for me is 4kids because plenty of care and passion went into it despite the unnecessary edits.

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

I think you're the first person I've met that prefers the 4Kids dub over the other English dubs. Though you're only the first because I can't meet me.

[@The00qa]

@@nicholasfarrell5981 Something about 4kids Winx excites me.😊 The cute music, the charming voices, and even all the changes because they made their own Winx canon, full of childlike innocence. Even though a lot of their attempts at changing the plot didn't go the best, I can still appreciate the intentions. For example, they turned a random potato-peeling scene into a part of the actual plot for the episode - it wasn't some weird kitchen duty, it was for a potion that later tied into the ending of that episode. 4kids understood the structure of story and how every scene needs to matter for the plot. The original version, however, put in a lot of filler scenes that had nothing to do with the story.

[@vonterriojones]

Please do a video where you rank the voices of the trix and another one of the specialists.

[@KalebAces]

The specials tho were planned out by Rainbow tho to quote on quote reintroduce fans to the series but in all reality they were just butchered down versions of the first two seasons leaving out any of the serious character development we got from those and from that point with S5 onwards it just got aged down and too chaotic

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

They wanted to make Fullmetal alchemist brotherhood

[@KnucklestheEcidna]

For some reason I believe that RAINBOW DID NOT write Winx club seasons 5-8 at ALL. they were written by people who had little to no clue about the show.

[@mmgs1148]

S4 was heavily influenced by nick too, from this point winx became gradually more childish

[@KnucklestheEcidna]

@@mmgs1148 the absolute biggest crime they made was making the enemies IMMUNE to magic. What's even the point of introducing new transformations when they end up being completely useless?

[@KnucklestheEcidna]

@@mmgs1148 the Nick deal did SO MUCH damage to the show. No wonder the seasons were as bland and terrible as they were.

[@lj3830]

​​@@mmgs1148"S4 was heavily influenced by nick too" How? Season 4 was made before the nickelodeon deal so nick did not do the writing for it.

[@lj3830]

​@@KnucklestheEcidna"the absolute biggest crime they made was making the enemies IMMUNE to magic" Nick didn't do that it was rainbow themselves who did it, S4 was the last season to be written by the original writing team before Nick took over. Now about that immune to magic thing, In episode 2 of S4 Ms Faragonda said that the reason why the wizards are immune to fairy magic is because they made a spell that made them immune to it. Still i find it strange because the winx could have used their fairy dust to break whatever the spell is so that the wizards won't be immune to fairy magic anymore.

[@enamittenss]

I was primarily exposed to the soundtrack of the specials through enchantix high on roblox 😭😭

[@cylland5060]

Omg bloom's first transformation was in the simulator?! They cut so many good battle sequences!

[@LLXIX]

I agree that the original series is better, but how would Nickelodeon ruin something they didn't even make? The specials were all made by Rainbow, and the decision to rush the story of the first two seasons was also made by Rainbow. Nickelodeon did NOT write or animate the specials, as most fans think, calling them "The Nick specials". The specials were all made by Rainbow in Italy. It's so weird how people keep putting all the blame on Nick when, if there's someone to blame, it's Rainbow.

[@moongirls16]

THANK YOU! I'm so tried of people blaming Nick for these specials when it was RAINBOW themselves that made these bad decisions around this. Blame them not Nick.

[@skloomforever]

ok but imagine if season 3 got included in these nick specials? would've made all the winx get enchantix the same time doing a "friendship sacrifice" lol

[@maia_allys]

I became a fan of winx club as season 4 released (so the specials were already up) so i was beyond confused trying to play catch up 😭 THANK YOU for mentioning the transformation animation. I didnt care too much when i first started watching but as i grew older i LOVE how unique all their magic winx forms were (its become my personal favorite) and I hate that Nick (which was SUPPOSED to be better) essentially took that all away (im OBSESSED with Stella's og transformation and how she turns to get her hair into the pigtails before her final positions. I will never forgive them for taking that away 😭)

[@haleyfolk7018]

Something that is honestly just now coming to me is that in the first episode Bloom essentially mentions that she has friends. But we never hear about anyone she knew outside of Mitzi until season 4 with Andy and then season 6 with Selina.

[@midnightfox3157]

As much as we hate the specials I wouldn’t be a winx fan so I’ll give them that plus the voice acting and animation I love it it’s so beautiful imo

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

To give the special credit. At least they gave her the right fucking name! Aisha! Nickelodeon got it right! 4kids and Cimalune for some damn reason call her Layla! That’s not her name! In the original Italian dub of Winx club her name is Aisha. She will never be Layla to me! It’s Aisha!

[@spleelover06]

I heard the reason why they changed her name to Layla in the RAI and 4kids dubs was because they wanted to keep it from sounding stereotypical and/or offensive as well as the storyline of her and Nabu's forced marriage. I honestly think she's better named Layla (Aisha is good too, just not as much) because I heard her being called that while watching seasons 2 and 3 and also because I think it sounds cuter to say :)

[@Mpcarter715]

The audacity for them to summarize season 2 in an hour long special will never not piss me off

[@cookiekiller9478]

I really enjoy watching your videos about Winx Club, since it keeps me in the Fandom as a whole and often gets me to rewatch the first 3-4 season (usually only up to 3)❤ As a matter of fact, I have taken a look into the different english dubs and I must admit, I much prefer my Main language German as a dub. Maybe it's nostalgia or maybe something else. Still. Thank you for making me rewatch this show on almost a monthly bases. 😂❤

[@xenaturner1244]

I don't mind the specials, but i get wound up with the fact they removed a transformation in the shadow phoenix and gave the name to their base form

[@MelonTartVA]

Oh that drive me crazy too. I am a massive stickler for continuity and that drove me up every wall in my house. Charmix was its own transformation seated in character development. But they got rid of that here.

[@xenaturner1244]

​@MelonTartVA Yeah, i wish that if they weren't going to actually use charmix, they just stuck to magic winx, or found spent the time to make at least 2 specials for season 2 so we at least get something

[@KalebAces]

@@MelonTartVA OG charmix wasn’t a transformation tho more like a power booster that the winx had to obtain by conquering they’re greatest upsets however yea the name change for they’re basic form messes up all continuity

[@MelonTartVA]

@@KalebAces fair enough.