Is Marco The Phoenix A Disappointment? - One Piece Debate: Seb vs. Lawrence!

During episode 113, Larry and Law point out that Marco is a bum. Sebastian screams back that he isn't. Which side do you go towards?
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[@Skylancez]

No Marco hasn’t shown that he’s a disappointment ever. He’s also highly respected by the top people in the verse like shanks. His kit is insane.

[@samuraitadpole5459]

Yep, his devil fruit really helps him be a balanced build

[@houseofmatrix6174]

Marco was Legendary at marine fort but now he feels like sidekick

[@Skylancez]

@@houseofmatrix6174 let the new Gen show what they got kind of deal

[@lordoflaziness7775]

@@houseofmatrix6174That’s the point though. It’s similar to rayleigh after Rogers death. He was just chilling and supporting the new gen. Exactly what Morco did in Wano.

[@houseofmatrix6174]

@@lordoflaziness7775 yeah Rayleigh still a boss

[@wilt2303]

Sebastian is 100% right here lmao, all I know is that I saw Marco hold his own against Queen AND King by himself

[@ClassicKidSan]

After holding off big mom 🥱

[@expressiondestination6430]

The fact they don't wanna accept he was nerfed during marineford is wild he was the only put on sea prism cuffs then sniped while bugging his brother and dad just got murked. And it's been proven if you're not calm your haki becomes weaker

[@jorgedaniel6869]

​@@expressiondestination6430 True

[@jareddonaldson9249]

What do you call holding his own tho? Neither of them received significant damage and both went on to have fights with zoro and sanji while Marco was gased

[@orbboom6119]

Didnt sanji pre germa awakening also did the same? Lol Marco went full force kick against BASE Queen and didnt manage to knock him out so his AP is worse than Ifrit Jambe😂all marco has is regeneration and countering fire

[@fullydiminished]

Marco’s best brag is actually the fact that Shanks is actively trying to recruit him. That says a lot.

[@jalenfunches2833]

Makes me wonder though if Shanks saw something with future sight that involves Marco

[@drnemo4820]

Marco is 100% what he shows which is a high tier yonko commander. However we have never seen a 1v1 with him. Considering everytime he shows up, he's ganged on and considered a top priority. He is well deserving of his placement.

[@jalenfunches2833]

Well said honestly I mean the fact that high tier characters think of him as a big enough threat to resort to jumping him should show how strong Marco is

[@AhmedHajjaj-yh6ii]

Marco was carrying marineford for the wb pirates. He distarcted kizaru from wb, he saved luffy multiple times, he kept the admirals busy, and even after he got handcuffed by seastome when he got out he was still clashing with akainu

[@dphantom1314]

I swear they only diss Marco to get revenge on Seb for years of trolling.

[@fire17102]

Haha ❤ confirmed

[@greywarden5513]

No, he is what we thought he was. The only person he’s disappointed where people who had him rated too highly

[@kamikazedude123]

FACTS

[@SickedSqaud]

biggest issue is who u guys are comparing marco to. i know the bounty numbers are pretty random, but since the community in general tends to glaze katakuri/king more i think its important to stress that marcos bounty is basically as high as king’s and higher than katakuri while marco is clearly the smallest threat to civilization and part of the least evil yonko crew of the 3. the fact that king is lunarian most likely also further increased that bounty

[@MisterParavoid]

Marco is quite literally always fighting more than one opponent and the few times he isn’t, he’s keeping the fight at a standstill

[@billarasPAOK]

Marco has clashed with Akainu, Kizaru, Aokij, Big Mom, King, Queen and Blackbeard. Other than King and Queen, the other characters are arguably top 10 in the universe. It's like saying Zoro can't beat Blackbeard so he is trash. Marco clashed with the heavy tiers of the One Piece and has hold his own that obviously makes him strong. Is he Yonko or Admiral level of course not but saying if you can't beat Big Mom you are trash is stupid. Shanks wants this guy in his crew for god's sake. By the way, what was the name of the guy that defeated Law? It's Blackbeard! The same Law that along with Kid, defeated Big Mom!

[@BlaxkSun]

I’ll put it simple. If Marco is weak, shanks is as well, cause shanks wanted Marco on his crew.

[@charqdicon8167]

the take makes sense but i don’t think that really works in this case bc shanks always allows lesser ppl to join up

[@BlaxkSun]

@@charqdicon8167 shanks crew is literally Quality over Quantity… watch even Ben Beckmen has the respect, no who joins his crew are strong

[@bigt100]

Weak compare to who?

[@BlaxkSun]

@@bigt100 anyone that people think is above Marco

[@charqdicon8167]

@@BlaxkSun i’m not referring to his main crew. but other than them (and the giants) shanks grand fleet is a bunch of ppl shanks always had to protect 😹😹y u think shanks 1shot kid ? bc he was finna destroy everybody xcept the main crew

[@Strawhatj824]

Marco is literally the best support character in the show with all his utility while also being one of the few characters to survive multiple interactions with the yonko the admirals and multiple yonko commanders at the same time 😭

[@chrisescamilla5885]

calling Marco a bum is insane, guy has clashed with emperors and admirals.

[@samuraitadpole5459]

Marco does his role well, he's not meant to be a top tier so you can't expect him to comfortably take on admirals and yonkos Edit: he's a high tier

[@gottagofast1548]

Bro was the first commander of the guy who rivaled the king of the pirates has a mythical zoan, he is top tier in my opinion, at least today, but in history nah

[@scienceisthetruth5927]

@@gottagofast1548 he is definitely not top tier, however he should be considering his father's reputation,he just isn't.

[@gottagofast1548]

@@scienceisthetruth5927what is top tier? Top 10 or top 15

[@scienceisthetruth5927]

@@gottagofast1548 basically anyone relative to the admirals and yonko who are all relative to each other.

[@gottagofast1548]

@@scienceisthetruth5927 okay so marco scrapped with the 3 admirals, yeah marine ford is absurd and doesnt make sense but marco held up king and queen until sanji and zoro arrived, marco has consistently being a toptier, maybe not top 10, but he is in the stronger end of the right hands

[@Blaisesoldier]

Sebastian cooking these boys 😂

[@GammerAddict]

Yall also have to remember the type of character Marco is. His devil fruit isn’t really the fighting type, now he can fight with it but it’s more of a support type fruit the fruit doesn’t really deal devastating blows nor does it finish people off (who aren’t fader). So based off of that i give props to Marco. 👍🏽

[@WriteWhatISee]

Behind Law, Marco is the best support character you can ask for. Versatile speed and offense with healing and flight. The issue is when you try to compare him to top tier solo combatants. That’s not his game.

[@handsmcgee8331]

Seb knows whatsup these other dudes been hating on Marco since day 1 for some reason. Currently out of all the commanders excluding main characters like Zoro, Marco objectively has had the most impressive feats by far (Marineford & Wano) and it’s not even close. Marco also has pretty high portrayal in the story as we’ve seen top tiers constantly give him praise. This whole 1st commander vs Admiral benchmark started in the first place because of how Marco was able to do pretty well against them at marineford but it turns out that’s not the case for all first commanders, just says a lot about his strength and even how impressive some of the other WB pirates were. I really don’t get the downplay some ppl have, sure maybe he’s not stronger than an Admiral but Marco sure as hell proved enough to be a top tier commander & a legend in his own right.

[@Charlieoes]

Marco was never a disappointment, yeah maybe some people where disappointed by him for rating him too highly. But he had a scrap with big mom then afterwards 1v2 queen and king and held out against them. He’s also very highly respected and sought after by shanks, garp, sengoku etc.

[@czar17_28]

I love Marco, I think he’s underrated by some. I would like to point out though that narratively, he’s used as the stall plot device which certain depicts him in a certain light.

[@goatboy1827]

Marco clashed with all 3 admirals in marine ford and then pulled up to wano and fought big mom and then held off king and queen

[@BlooNugget]

without marco in wano they would have lost. for him to have been keeping two yonko commanders occupied by himself and saving multiple people he needs more credit cause while sanji was captured and zoro was on the roof, who else would have been able to do all that he did.

[@jalenfunches2833]

Facts too bad Dr. Martin Luthor Jinbei was occupied dropping the sermon on Who's Who otherwise him and Marco probably could've handled it King and Queen

[@SpaceHov]

Someone needs to mute Larry whenever someone else is making a point. Homie is ALWAYS so dismissive and belittling Seb just spit facts in this ep

[@SuperSpicyHotdog]

The only reason anyone thinks marco is a disappointment is because they rate him to highly. He has fought as a YC1 level opponent should be able to fight

[@lou98t]

Sometimes you just gotta be realistic. Oda obviously needed Zoro and Sanji to fight King and Queen so Marco wouldn’t have beat them in a 2v1 at all even if he is stronger. Marco in a 1v1 would’ve beat either of them tbh but Oda couldn’t have him do real damage to them because that’s all people would talk about once Zoro and Sanji fought them. “Ahhh they were damaged from Marco so it’s not fair”. Sometimes the obvious answer is the only answer.

[@maniac6494]

I need like 5 of these old arguments everyday😅

[@Top0ne1]

Takin on king n queen same time WITHOUT being hit n still callin em weak is crazy

[@reeze2sleeze]

the fact that marco is getting called a disappointment and fraud leg sanji is walking around with no fraud allegations

[@devinb3538]

Marco is that guy you need on the team for major support. He might not be the guy to finish the job but he can for sure hold it down until it's time for the main person to come in.

[@expressiondestination6430]

Yo the fact only sebastian gets it is wild😂 everyone says "then why didn't he use haki at marineford" when haki was barely even a fuckin thing😂. That is such a weak argument when he was THE ONLY MF LOCKED UP IN CUFFS, THE ONLY ONE DEPOWRED, and yall wanna say he can't do anything. When he's in a 1v1 he's either winning or dragging the fight out. Any other time they jump him to win

[@TheGostboy7]

Yeah outside of seb its very hard for me to watch these videos because it feels like someone is always trolling or not beinv serious and thats genuinely frustrating seriously. Marco def flexed himself in wano he did so much solo thats WITHOUT HIM they would have lost the raid people ignore context and i hate that

[@T4NN34]

Some people set there expectations of Marco too high after we heard that he took over for whitebeard in the war after marineford against Blackbeard

[@Archonus]

Marco is easily top 30, maybe even 20 in the entire verse. The slander is crazy.

[@greywarden5513]

We should support Marco. Putting Marco in the Top 20 would be a fumble

[@ganggang6510]

Bruh what? Disappointment? Are we forgetting bro literally had rated E for everyone hands at Marineford? How about the fact that he single handedly held his own against King and Queen? What about Shanks trying to recruit him? Orr maybe the fact that he’s able to hold his own like that, yet we don’t even know if he’s awakened? Pretty sure if Marco DF is connected to lore, Marco will prob die & be reborn (awaken). Bro is such a problem. Plz give this man respect

[@Phil-Tasse]

This video is so entertaining. And i love that the scenes they are talking about, is edited in. I really apreciat that

[@donelcoetzee9466]

I think ace had to die because if he were alive and the payback war happened Blackbeard might have lost after Luffy's loss his growth was extra and ace wouldve lost whiteboard his growth would've been immense after the timeskip if he were alive

[@greywarden5513]

BB is not losing the payback war, full stop. He’s more then likely killing Ace during it and now he’d have the Mera Mera with him.🫠

[@Immortalprisonking]

@@greywarden5513 if ace was there and they all trained for the two years which is what’s would have happened if ace survived then ace Marco vista and a 1 armed jozu should clear bbs crew . If you have read the ace novel you should be a somewhat aware of what ace should be like

[@greywarden5513]

@@Immortalprisonking You think an Ace that got goaded into Swinging on Akainu for insults about his “father” would be able to not go after the man who actually killed his dad? 😂 Nah mate, Ace can have ALL the light novel hype you want, a significantly weaker BB layed him out. The Get back war also wasn’t 2 yrs after the fact, and even if it was that an additional 2 years where BB has supped up his crew. Ace gets Mid-diffed

[@Immortalprisonking]

@@greywarden5513 yes because ace has more potential then luffy and we saw what happened to him after two years with Rayleigh. You don’t think that Rayleigh Roger’s right hand would train ace the same way he trained luffy you crazy. If you don’t consider the novels cannon I can understand why u think this way. However, they are cannon and come from some of oda notes . So following the cannon information in this what if scenario the the remaining wb pirates renamed the phoenix pirates Would take down bbs crew and be the new yonko crew. In my opinion based one the cannon information provided.

[@greywarden5513]

@@Immortalprisonking The light novels can BE canon. Ace still gets bodied. The Ace we see at Marineford is canon, as is the one that originally went after BB. No, I don’t think Ray would train him, why would he? They’ve never met, Ray knew they were executing Ace and didn’t show🤷‍♀️ How do the remnant WB pirates take out BB? A BB that was already familiar with Every member of that crew and now had WBs DF which excels at fighting Large groups. They simply don’t have the fire power, including with a fully healthy Ace.

[@BigpopsMcGee]

Sebastian has been on a role lately

[@ronlewis1554]

Alright you guys need a top 5 favorite characters and why you like them cause if marco a bum idk what being going on in yall head.

[@bahbahamine6980]

Since his introduction marco only clashed with top tier talk about kizaro aokiji akaino garb then teach after that big mom and then king and queen at the same time bro come on

[@masido443]

Sebastian is 100% delusional about that "jumping". He has gotta be trolling!

[@ciphersage7171]

Marcos got the best in show feats of just about any yc1 none of the other ones are holding out against yonko and admirals by themselves

[@bahbahamine6980]

Bro if it wasn’t for marco luffy would literally die in marinford he was the only one actually capable of holding akaino without him akaino would smoke everyone and get to luffy before shanks gets here

[@donnellhayes3927]

Marco has great haki feats also.. his haki is strong enough to harm the admirals in the war of the best, ALL of them.. marco has lived up to his name!! Even IF his Devil fruit is OP if youre haki is strong enough it willl cancel it out , which is not seen.. only garp got a GOOD hit on marco & it look like he felt it

[@Blueexo13]

At the end of the day you’re both right. Here’s the real problem, it’s all comes down to oda choice to make Marco a heavy support character and people having high expectations because of marineford. Also during wano oda chose to have Marco drain his stamina to heal and keep the viruses at bay for a long time and gave him little moments here and there

[@hassanshibani221]

These two will never stop fighting 😂😂

[@JohtoBurglar]

this is why you can never figure out if Larry has inflammatory takes on purpose

[@DbpLukcy]

Thank you for the content 🙏🏿

[@ThatOnePieceTalk]

Thanks for watching these old clips!

[@DeaminZaints]

3 People 1v1'ed an admiral at Marineford: - Whitebeard fought Akainu and died - Jozu fought Aokiji and got frozen solid and had to get carried outta there - Marco fought Kizaru and was the only one to walk out on his own two feet Im just sayin...

[@ousmaneconde357]

Also don’t forget Kizaru’s attack goes at light speed

[@myst2761]

Marco would’ve beaten WCI Luffy unlike a certain someone and fought King and Queen 1v2 for like 20 chapters off-screen when he was already fatigued he just lacks lethality but his speed, phy strength, endurance is up there

[@DatBoyCartel]

They wouldn’t have won the raid if it wasn’t for Marco, Marco was the reason everyone didnt turn into and Oni includiny someone vital like Chopper, all while fighting two Yonko Commanders, He fought Big Mom without thinking twice, he held his own against a Top Tier like Kizaru until he got distracted, they say bro making excuses but he speaking Fax

[@austinilimaleota8128]

Luffy definitely at Yonko level now lol

[@louiebeni5189]

Marco is the ultimate stall tactic he don’t got AP to take out the highest level guys but he got the endurance to not get beat

[@BlaxkSun]

The term yonko comes from the bounty, not the strength…

[@supergoji7511]

And territory/Land

[@greywarden5513]

And yet for the most part, all the Yonko are in/near the Top 10 if not Top 5. (Obviously excluding Buggy)

[@unnirajac8617]

Also the strength

[@ToolTalkChannel]

Larry has it bad for Big Mom… he doesn’t even bother to pretend she needs to be in her prime anymore haha

[@jalenfunches2833]

Marco be wildin but I think we can all agree that our boi needs a new cut dude been rocking the pineapple comb-over since pre-timeskip then he dyed it blonde and thought "yeah this is it" 😂

[@Zoro.d.uchihaa]

Bro Sebastian is 1,000,000 percent correct yall cant accept it

[@CristianQCruz]

Lawrence doesn’t understand how future sight works

[@mrwiggles8559]

Y’all gon stop jumping my dawg Sebastian when he’s literally the only one that cooks

[@Amirshotthat]

Every episode is : seb is wrong now lets discuss. Seb be talkin that talk

[@heavenlyking8386]

Marco is the only character in the series where when he shows up the High tier characters have to Jump him. The only 1v1s hes had are against top ten 10 characters. He overpowered Kizaru. Held his own briefly against Akainu. And Big mom said she did not have the tools to tkae care of him.

[@sethsherr2793]

If Marco was not a wano they would have lost

[@ioffendedyoudidnti4784]

Not really…

[@bobjohns9791]

I would a say they would have a much harder time

[@sethsherr2793]

@@ioffendedyoudidnti4784 in support wise yes if he wasn’t there the Obie virus would’ve taken a lot of people out including chopper he was turning into an onie

[@alexguyson129]

@@ioffendedyoudidnti4784you clearly don’t know how important Marco was held out 2 of their strongest fighters gave chopper more time for an antidote kept the straw hats from crumbling after luffys supposed death I mean he’s literally made a case for mvp only reason he’s not is because other characters happen to do more

[@chris2cold_941]

Sebastian always getting jumped and is always right cause they were wrong a lot

[@men-zh2jo]

"Debate". This is just an arguement. Im genuinely struggling to understand 80% of the points while using this as a podcast

[@ezramassey2930]

see be cooking they just don't wanna listen

[@justsomeguy9226]

“Bolder hat guy snuck up on Luffy Luffy’s observation haki sucks.” Larry probably.

[@doncourts]

Marco block the same punch that killed Ace put a hole in jimbe and whitebeard clean. And this was after getting shot in the back by Kizaru

[@chrisbrownlee8085]

The Marco slander is insane bro got no credit for clashing with big mom and taking on king/queen at the same time…..his job was to stall for the straw hats. He did his job lol😂

[@eatiblegeo1829]

Marco gets the law treatment, fruit so broken Oda has to come up with ways to nerf them. Like Law being basically a teleporter in fights and Marco getting cuffed at marineford

[@KingNikaDKota]

She may be able to take him alone Lawrence, but she still jumped Marco

[@marcomarin1196]

Usually the loud hype guy on podcasts talks nonsense but the last few clips I’ve seen of this shows he’s been 100% right each time

[@BlessedDaily365]

I don’t think Emma strengthened Zoro’s halo output just Baki control

[@onebigofortheOG123]

Off this video different question you think from the old cp0 in wano with that witch helped them diminish the samurai from when oden was around. That’s why when the admiral came around they only had a few of the odens retainers then when if oden was around all the samurai would of been a whole different defense 😂

[@felwinterpeak1674]

People really use the fact that Marco held two commanders off, which makes him stronger than King, and for some people, Katakuri. He's stronger than Queen, obviously. But King? He didnt damage King a single time. He threw a blast and one knee and King just got up. When they started to fight, Marco was defending against a flame on, pterodactyl form King. And then started running away from King. I'm sorry, but Marco kicks, Shockwaves and beak attacks are not going to be enough to take down King. That's why he's the 5th strongest 1st commander. He is a guy who constantly self heals. Yeah, it's going to be tough to take him down. But his stamina his linked to his healing. Its only a matter of time.

[@HitDrip]

Marco is the man period

[@samuraitadpole5459]

More like the Bird and everyone knows the bird is the word

[@bigt100]

4:10 bro is spitting facts they don't wanna admit it lol

[@TheOneYan]

I for the first time agree with Sebastian he fought prime Rayleigh in the past he fought king and queen 2v1 fought admirals if anything one of the two strongest admirals and then clashes even with a yonko even if he woulda lost the fight he’s up there in the top echelon of pirates he’s literally whitebeards right hand

[@JahIthBer]

The only disappointment is you 4 thinking big mom is not the weakest yonko

[@brittonprice637]

I like Marco but he's never shown the feats to be at the level fans claim he is. Same for Urouge, all he did was get clapped at Sabaody and has appeared maybe once since then but fans claim he's this top teir character.

[@rolandbarnes1126]

Everyone seems to forget he is a medic smh

[@cohenfox2106]

Lol these guys are hating on Marco while ignoring every single bit of context lol. They literally had to nerf Marco during marineford, he faced King and Queen 2 v 1 and was doing great . Come on bruh

[@HappyMrMeal]

Just started the vid and already know seb gonna be spittin facts and these boys ain’t hearing it 😂 How is Marco trash after blocking a yonko, blocking 2 yonko commanders and healing others constantly. Dude seems like a must for any crew, f’n dummies 🤣

[@adamc.5250]

Marco has walked away unscathed from every fight he’s been in. His durability is unmatched bc of his DF. The argument that Marco is weak is ridiculous.

[@dhg-1242]

Maroc is not disappointing hes just in rough position hes not weak at all he just havent greatly overpower anyone

[@unnirajac8617]

10:05 WTH Bro Luffy is definitely Yonko level. He was taking on both Saturn and Kizaru. Even though he couldn’t hurt Saturn Kizaru started to bleed. When five elders showed up 3 of the elders chose to go up against Luffy. Are you guys not following Manga ? Luffy may not be Kaido Level but still he is definitely Yonko level.

[@mdmahfuz9601]

Oda sir knows what Marco capable of so he gave us some glimpse of Marco's power. I think he can take on any 9 Super nova 1v1 accept luffy. Their are some things oda never revealed like Rayleigh was called DARK KING for a reason. Because i think Roger @ Rayleigh are same level like little difference 20 / 19.5 one is King other is Dark King So i think Marko is also yonko level❤

[@cyndyr8938]

Future sight is not faster than the speed of light

[@GBK100TTD]

Bro y’all gotta put some respect on Marco name King only has a higher bounty because he is a Lunarian/Lab subject that escaped Marco is the reason why we think Yonko Commanders can go toe to toe with Admirals.

[@surenomacias4179]

Nah that Marco slander is crazy💀💀💀they was gaslighting the whole time 😂

[@GuruKwazz]

If it wasn’t for Marco the showed would’ve ended at Marineford had he not clashed with Akainu this saving the Future Pirate Kings life who I might add was unconscious from the shock

[@ElmokillaXDK]

Marco isn’t a fighter though he was the white beard pirates on ship doctor he’s literally a support character

[@anthonylawhorn4848]

Bro! they be gaslighting Sebastian like crazy! Sebastian is 100% right

[@Ctgfsuper]

I legit feel bad for Larry right now

[@princerilley6646]

4:56 no lie they be gaslighting the dude with the glasses like crazy and im glad the editors are putting the actual things he’s talking about in this video cause i agree Marco has not had one solid moment to really show how strong he is yet he’s constantly clashing with the top tier of the verse

[@tjxshippuden467]

Marco is LIKE THAT

[@Tenderchris81]

Feel like Marco got cuffed cause of a figured his df was too broke and had to nerf him at marineford. Strength shouldn’t determine disappointment level he’s a healer type character and held his own in both wano and marineford

[@mushroomloudcloud]

Sebastian always getting gas lighted in these videos

[@maxtenny]

i was rockin wit bro until he said Luffy’s not yonko lvl?

[@ProfessorQrow]

It’s funny viewing Marco as a powerhouse when he’s just a ship doctor commander or not dudes just the crew physician 😂

[@greywarden5513]

Erm considering that Law, Marco and Queen? Are Drs, idk if “just the crew physician” is something ya can say 😅

[@ProfessorQrow]

@@greywarden5513 I’ll give you law but queen is a Mad scientist not the crew “doctor”. Law also has one of the most busted fruits in the verse and his role as captain calls for a more active role in combat. But in comparison to the characters mentioned Marco is way more useful in a support role than a main combatant.

[@greywarden5513]

@@ProfessorQrow I believe all members of MADs are Drs. Queen is a Virologist, which can/does carry the Doctor title. Idk if he is acting Physician for the Beast Pirates but he should be a Dr.

[@nicolasraimundo3645]

I ain't never seen Lawrence have a good take, Seb you the goat