The #1 Mistake you are making on ADC

[@timercolen1586]

I love how your adc vids have tranfered with the changing of the role. Its not about killing the enemies anymore its about dodging death to waste time and macro plays to help the real carries win the game.

[@Tanoshi1]

I was looking for this comment 🤣

[@xulip4]

Maybe, but what he said in this video has been a thing for a few seasons already.

[@Intoxicated4768]

adc's have become second secondary supports for the real carries

[@djfinja]

adc is now the real support

[@grant5122]

Your advice on playing ADC more aggressively has been super eye-opening. A lot of the time it's easy to basically just get carried to a win on ADC by doing the bare minimum or sit back/preserve KDA and cope/blame your team for a loss.

[@mihailomldnvc]

After watching Gumayusi play like a madman, Saber slowly started losing his mind and is teaching us how to become psychopaths

[@ehyzen]

and i love it

[@sirtrixx]

#1 mistake: playing adc

[@andji3882]

Delusional

[@tatzecom]

@@andji3882 whats delusional? playing ADC? yes.

[@HanzHermannHoppe]

Don't worry, IE and LDR buffs are incoming that will totally help this role and not just break Yone and Yasuo

[@chojinacd]

Fr fr 😂

[@hydrosting]

Real

[@garrettbillington7230]

Holy crap Saber is making videos again and they're full of pure golden ADC content. Wait, ADC content actually exists again on KZbin?? It's a miracle! The KZbin content depression period is finally over... WE MADE IT THROUGH BROS

[@Marco-uo9es]

Unironically went on a 7 game losing streak. Watched this video and casually won 6 games in a row just by pushing mid 😁😁😁😁glad to have your goated videos back again from my favorite smolder main

[@vinnylobalsamo669]

great video saber, the way you took the time and explained the diff perspectives really helped, thank you

[@samtouchstone6860]

It's no different to bot-lane where the sup is standing 3ft behind the ADC doing nothing and then blaming the ADC for not dodging enemy skillshots. The Gragas had to face-check cause Jhin was too risk-averse to step up and shove the wave at the line of scrimmage despite being 9-3. If you don't face pressure, someone else will be forced to - League 101

[@tulavinzhi4475]

I have a low elo debuff where both teams perma fighting for mid wave. In my games its almost impossible to see when in mid game only two adc showing waves, most of the time im forced to catch waves on side lanes but this making me late to most fights, idk what to do

[@TheSickonion]

Ping your mid to split

[@tulavinzhi4475]

@@TheSickonion they ignore it

[@oskar1001_]

play sivir with stattik shiv and just split push

[@jmj7543]

One thing what i think is not enough talked about is that playing adc is so dull in terms of meta. If you aren't playing meta you are soft inting already and theres usually only 3-4 meta champions and example if in pro play 2 of them get banned both teams know what 2 are left. It was in it's worst in jinx aphelios patch about year ago and they have fixed it a little bit but not enough when it has been like 2 years of this type of situation.

[@wyatttrombley]

Your one of my favorite league players and someone I look to for tips when things are getting tough on the rift, Thanks for returning to league content saber! we missed you!

[@rigba7627]

how are you supposed to just walk up if they have like an assassin mid or noc/kayn jungle that are in fog? I understand how the Jhin lost this game but in other game it feels impossible to contest the mid wave without coinflipping being one tapped?

[@Gnievv]

He said in the video - FF.

[@snorana7657]

I guess you FF 11:22

[@dominikkowalczyk3845]

Noc with r, or kayn out of sight is an "evelynn case".

[@xFSNSaber]

hit wave and prepare to use sums/abilities. if it's literally no counterplay like 20-0 eve you've already lost the game

[@panfuncio8016]

half-way through the video, I thought the point was that adc has no agency because the team will run it down anyway 😂😂

[@samtouchstone6860]

The team didn't run it down, the Jhin let the other team run up into their own jg. Despite being ahead, he gave up territory.

[@WinterbIue]

​​​@@samtouchstone6860Yeah but why is the rell sitting on him while he is catching the wave? Why is rell not hovering raptors to be close to gragas and jhin? Like sure Jhin could have been more active but his team is very much running it, too. This video shows why jhin couldn't carry with a lead, not that jhin lost his team the game. EDIT: Also looking at the replay we see malz bot and garen dead so why is gragas facechecking river?

[@samtouchstone6860]

@@WinterbIue Support could be with Gragas but Gragas would be safe if Jhin catches the wave higher up the lane, granting vision to the entire team. Support is playing just as bad as Jhin here. Gragas steps up because he’s gotta control his own JG and he’s doing his job. Otherwise everybody might as well pack up and keep following Jhin back to the base and give up chunks of the map

[@WinterbIue]

@@samtouchstone6860 Their fed Garen mid is dead and malz is botlane. I'd argue if jhin cathces the wave high Ahri is going to get a pick on him and I disagree that Gragas is doing his job here. Imo he should see that his strongest teammate is dead and he will not be able to contest scuttle, he could just take his krugs. He is playing Ap Gragas so he can't just face check like that.

[@samtouchstone6860]

@@WinterbIue jhin’s 9/3 with rfc, swifties, I presume yommus, and rell hovering. This is literally what Saber is talking about - it’s way to risk averse. How would Jhin not be able to blow up a wave near the first tower without being caught by Ahri? At worst, just stick to top side wall closer to Gragas

[@Coolrocksta]

wow... this just made me realize i am often doing the adcs job as a support xD. In my games most people care only about kills and objectives, i care about winning so i am constanly pushing my prio is very high on that. Like for example elder is up do i go teamfight coinflip or push? usually push first if we lose then game is not lost, if we coinflip fight and have not pushed the game very likely is lost! I thank it's also why i hate to play poor waveclear supports at them moment (uncosiously i don't play a braum or something like that)

[@Coolrocksta]

very good video. I am confident i often do push mid pretty far, but this made me realize even more how important that is, so thank you!

[@gima123123]

My main question is: why would you do it as adc and not the mid? Also, usually if you do this as adc, mid will either contest farm with you and you'll share one lane and lose cs elswhere or mid will get mad and just start inting or afk, right?

[@xFSNSaber]

Mid is safest and adc is a target mid game, so you put adc mid to protect them. If you're so low elo your mid doesn't sidelane then you can carry through random fights or sidelane yourself

[@gima123123]

@@xFSNSaber okay, ty

[@lonefire333]

Econ is literally the core of this game. ADC ability to wave clear and dps objectives are king right now and those are rank skewed skills. Excellent video ❤

[@garrettjd7]

I just tried this with cait in my iron/bronze match and it worked AMAZINGLY. Lost lane but played safe and just prio-ed mid the rest of the game. We always had obj advantage because we didnt have to chase after mid wave.

[@Mr.Danny2]

this makes 0 sense. 80% of games they will have something like a assasin jg mid or something that can kill you, how will u push the wave with no tower in the mid game

[@clonosfreid6658]

Was just about to ask about how to deal with just getting 1 shot by an assassin with them using a 10s ult, getting flamed by your team and then losing afterwards lmao

[@xFSNSaber]

You just have to be prepared to outplay eg hold pink ward and when you see rengar ult, insta put pink ward and play your life with flash or something. Eating rengar r with your flash and living is worth for example

[@GodWearsGucci134]

well most of the times I get the reverse treatment, I am an aggresive adc player and I know my limits and my dmg output, I try to bait enemies or push them when I see they are standing somewhere they are not allowed to, but the team does not really back me up, so I have to start playing behind, but that ultimately results in losing the game, and when I do play aggresive sometimes I may get killed but I blew all resources on the enemies and my team cleans up, and sure we win but it is like, I won but at what cost, I don't feel the gratification of winning when this shit happens

[@XD3blaze]

Cant wait to hear its because i decided to be in the lane with 60% of the roster that is in the game, with their flash up, and I don't have mine

[@ChannelSix]

When I try to do this with any assassins in the game it feels like auto inting, since I expose myself. Do you just auto lose those?

[@xFSNSaber]

learn how to outplay or trick them, i ban eve every game for reference

[@JustXillow]

This is almost exactly the advice I gave some adc main on being behind on summonerschool

[@WinterbIue]

I solved this problem by just picking senna. Haven't lost a game with her yet. Garen takes 3 waves? No problem, my souls give me range ad crit and lifesteal so I don't need the gold. Jungle and support solo face checking bushes they shouldn't even be close to? No problem Senna ult to shield and maybe trade a kill. Games just coasts 40 minutes? No problem, scale to the moon. Need good early? Build 2 lethality items. Need late? transition to crit with lord dom and IE + souls for 100% crit. Senna does it all.

[@puckspartan1627]

Went from emerald 1 to masters in 5 days because of past guides + this macro tip. You the goat

[@MyBabado]

bro in the fucking 2 days i went froam d4 to master's like the game is so much diferent now plz do more of this type fo videos

[@angei2227]

What can i do if there is just a minion clearing monster in my team just take all the cs mid then leave the side lane open?

[@brendancheng2564]

More informative saber vids lets fucking goooooo Mid prio yipeeee They’re really helpfull to me :3 got to dia of ur teachings

[@mattynotfatty]

I have never heard of this concept in my life. Good video

[@joeblondie9663]

I have many games when i'm 25 kills 70k dmg constantly fighting 24/7 trying to pressure other lanes, meanwhile my entire team is 1 10, and still losing games, I guess now I know why... Thank you for that tip, very useful! The only problem is I have that 0 10 midlaners that clear mid with me and refuse to go sidelane or even toplaner/jungler or even lux support with 1 spell+luden's takes entire wave coming to catch it and share exp, I guess I just have to risk and catch it faster then my teammates and hope they will switch lane instead of ragequit or afk int running.

[@xFSNSaber]

Ya catch the wave before they're even there if you can, or you can sidelane

[@joeblondie9663]

got it thank you! @@xFSNSaber

[@ajx4]

This might be why I've been liking this season, I've always done this by default and just bet on myself being better

[@mylynguyen6512]

You talked qbout mid prio, but how to get mid prio , even with a lead, when the ennemy junglef is a fed rengar and the midlaner a nafiri, *meanwhile allies dont help to get prio* ? (They often go for vision first) Should we, as adc wait for the support to join us in order to catch it as far as possible ? Should we wait at our turret, and *afk* farm there when the threats are too dangerous ?

[@z3r0bii75]

Really appreciate this Saber, I love this type of content.

[@equinox85]

do u think the general way of playing adc will change with the new buffs and support nerfs?

[@TheCptLevi]

I feel like in my emerald games im bouta get farmed by shaco/pyke/panth/eve etc mid. OR if its perfect game for this strategy ill share farm mid with yone/akali or both (which will very soon turn to aram fiesta), or i"ll have an option to go botlane to 1v1 a fed fizz. :D

[@PerryNguyen]

What do you do when your teammates refuse to side lane and it's just aram?

[@Capta1n4mer1ca]

Great question, I play smolder and sivir only atm, which means I can solo defend/pressure mid wave at all points in the game. Leaving 4 team members to go pressure or do other stuff on the map. But no, they want to all aram with me even though I tell them I can handle mid solo. So in games where we are losing they just force team fights mid and since we are weaker we lose. In games we are winning they force team fights mid and coinflip the game for no reason. Like it's so frustrating knowing you can open up so much for your team, and all they want to do is aram mid. Its an awful feeling

[@xFSNSaber]

if you're at the rank where that happens then you can take side lane

[@Fuyuukki]

Would this strategy be countered by simply having the team (in this case, jhin's) group mid and push? They were ahead anyway and could easily win the fight Maybe send someone to match teemo but that's it In my perspective they also lost cause they had zero vision, having 4 oracles and a farsight Or is my train of thought wrong? Genuinely trying to learn.

[@noxbits2]

I played a game yesterday against an academy pro player in master elo, my support is mega trolling the game, but i stay focused on farm. In the midgame i have more impact in the game than him just because i did exactly what you say in the video.

[@omegaminoseer4539]

This is a more Doom-and-Gloom version of The Jhin coaching you did in 2022. You told the Jhin that he should ALWAYS contest Mid, since avoiding it makes the game out of his hands, since the fed Vladimir could just roam. Now, the game is even more desperate against out of favor with just scaling and farming, meaning you HAVE to get priority. Otherwise, you lose.

[@ivan02gl]

i's crazy how adc rol was to make damage and now is to just push mid wave to let your team do the damage, ADC Stands for AD Crasher now

[@Elimbi1]

What do i do if the opponent plays evelynn twitch shaco rengar nocturne though?

[@carltaylor2975]

I didn't know Saber was back. Yay!

[@davidli2642]

Such a new take of the adc role lol. Adc has evolved from stay safe and farm for items to enemy bait baiscally.

[@alexrobomind]

Kinda funny how ADC advice transformed from "Play safe and look to scale, space with your support" to "It's Bauss time babyyyyy" (yes this comment is exaggerated)

[@CryoSleepFilms]

"or you are just straight up LOSING" lmaooooo

[@helpsboys6065]

im masters and I only lose games where my team dont play the game, get every mid wave but no cover/benefits from it, always 1 3 1 or 2 people in my jg, guys remember, 1 3 1 has gone several years ago, the game is only played 4 1 or 5 0 in mid late game, going 1 3 1 is pretty useless as we`re having control mages mid and tanks top

[@bresanda]

any chance there is a cait montage coming? i feel like you might have some juice in the tank

[@HanzHermannHoppe]

Aged like wine

[@NimaLeague]

how do you see the gold at league replay ?

[@minhanhbui3325]

this video is like a wake up slap in the face wow

[@almeidagasparengenharia]

Eu literalmente ganhei um jogo que estava perdido usando essa técnica... Cara, obrigado por compartilhar esses ensinamentos, eles são muito valiosos...

[@Destroyr_117]

Lads lads abuse senna adc before its nerfed, Tabi -> Bork -> Wits -> RFC/LDR, if you can survive and kite you’ll 1v9

[@Discostoff2]

The enemy adc and i both watched this video and now we both sit in mid contesting the wave, what next? :D

[@xFSNSaber]

if you're winning leverage it into hp advantage somehow or bait mid fight, if losing try to prevent enemy bot from roaming and dont lose hp

[@omnicompetent3139]

i go for mid wave every time but my friend says im always late to fights should i be fixing mid wave or dropping it to fight?

[@michaelscofield1771]

If there's a fight breaking out that is game changing, you obviously rotate to the fight first

[@xFSNSaber]

Fix the wave if you're already there

[@LolFlakes2]

But Jhin cant ever walk up to the wave or else he just gets one shot by your hovering team no?

[@stairsjoke]

Uhhh uummm..... uuhhhmmm aaamm uuumm..... uuhhmmm...

[@Merikat07]

Watching this as a top and mid player to learn how to stop enemy adc from carrying

[@BillyShortLeg]

i just got 6 games winstrike and got to master after watching this video bless you

[@pettermiranda4651]

So I should just build titanic and runnans to clear wave faster

[@xFSNSaber]

no because if enemy ignores you in a fight you should be able to kill closest guy

[@shayrow9480]

so baus is right?

[@pavellekar3703]

Ik ez is pretty bad rn but is he a good champ to pick every game cause i just love him

[@ratyrat5]

Ok

[@HanzHermannHoppe]

Ok

[@roxtron7105]

Ok?

[@fourblossoms]

I think he is pretty decent, having lots of success on him. Mained him for the first time for 60 games and went 61% winrate on +-diamond 4. Do check out Dragdar videos to get a feel for the champ.

[@karimbk7549]

this is only playable on even games

[@argumentumadhominem3977]

#1 leaving the fountain

[@lowbatt777]

unless, they have a rengar, eve or briar.. there's no way..

[@PrnStarZilean1133]

Hello, I am the ADC in this game. First of all, my malz hovered nunu with ghost cleanse then picked malz since its his one trick and he is building it wrong as well imagine one trick building it wrong too wild for me bro. I would had dodged but u know no dodges left hehexd. Secondly, Teemo took over a lot of map control with his shrooms, one shroom and I am 1/4 hp or 1/2 hp which is very wild to me but anyways u did nothing but farm congrats. Thirdly, my team is going in one by one what can a adc do when I need my team to make plays as Jhin I almost have no outplay if I get cced or caught. Fourthly, was me not farming the only mistake I did and not using my lead its like mission impossible vs your team when I could get picked off with ahri, tahm and stepping into teemo shrooms if it does happen. If u think I should push the wave and get caught and die is wild to me. No hard feelings but this video almost has no good points to me as it doesn't provide any good info at all. All I heard is push mid for control even if it is unsafe all vid. No hard feelings thank u again for pointing out my "bad gameplay".

[@Welari12]

Your mistake is being indecisive and constantly hovering between two options - ultimately doing nothing. But Saber is jerking himself big time from the get go in this vid. Claims you're 1.6k up like it means anything when gold is literally even at 50.9k per team. You spend a huge amount of time travelling to plays you're never going to make it to or which you opt out of - losing cs to turret and losing turrets to cs lol. But you're right that it matters little in the grand scheme of this game. Don't take it too hard; Saber still claims he is the best Caitlyn while being perma masters.

[@PrnStarZilean1133]

@@Welari12 I do agree with u that I was indecisive and all this. No excuse but my head was hurting at this moment of time

[@fairwell6744]

Case of good advice dropped on bad example

[@mastnova2676]

a bunch of clowns in my team is the only reason why i can't win games

[@Crystalon195]

what do i do if i have slow wave clear (vayne)

[@xFSNSaber]

Hit wave and threaten for all in if enemy adc tries to hit wave

[@lighting7508]

I vod reviewed my game and my macro is good i just make mistakes mechanically and dont know how to play lane

[@KatzeArtemis]

soo basically the strat is: "guys, dont kill my tanks. KILL ME!!" and if they dont, then your team is safe and wont die 👍

[@zub9928]

We’re now mid control carries

[@Mytchhh]

thats op with tristana

[@Vesperx_]

gumi taught him well i see 🥰

[@einjharrelraca]

the number mistake on adc. playing adc when you can put less than half the effort into toplane and get the same if not better results. XD

[@bartekkowalski764]

Does this come from you watching gumayusi vods ?

[@xFSNSaber]

yes

[@santiagoguerrero809]

Comment for the algorithm! 💪

[@WhenYouGoMadd]

The buffs to the Critical Chance items did absolutely nothing for ADCs.

[@BukovTervicz]

Holy crap this was poignant

[@codnerd1234]

Most tilting role

[@valamiamadoka8685]

Make sure to say uhh and uhm more next video you didn't say it enough, thanks.

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[@namesfloop8460]

This guy needs to lay off the caffeine..

[@potofblack]

i just started playing bot lane this split on varus, doing pretty well i'm 17-7 and i'm still learning but honestly all i'm hearing from when you say to just push the wave high is to just main seraphine instead for free LP lmfao

[@StarlessSky2000]

I thought this guy retired from LoL

[@tatzecom]

5881 VIDEOS???? BRO CLEAN UP YOUR HARD DRIVE

[@bigsmoke4592]

play like Baus, got it

[@BigOatGuy]

conversely, the jhin’s team is actually making a lot of mistakes. like despite the fact that he isnt grabbing every mid wave in the center of the lane, his team is still knowingly walking solo and blind into jg… like they can just not do that and wait for item spikes to group and then check these areas as a team. like the gragas death and the rell death are unconvincably int

[@xFSNSaber]

no they cannot play the game because they have no control, imagine you are laning top and you have no vision and no jungler and enemy is freezing it's like that

[@muteall2814]

i mean forcing mistakes is a pretty big part of league. No ones gonna play perfect

[@matthewto7406]

@@xFSNSaber I am low elo so I may be wrong but is there an argument to be made that Jhin's team is not covering him to push (though I suppose that goes for your team too in some ways)

[@Destroyr_117]

@@matthewto7406 you spam ping to call your team to help, rell should always be with jhin to push. He was just waiting for the win and probably autopiloting.

[@garrettbillington7230]

Don't knock it till you try it. I think I just learned I was losing games for not pushing mid high in lane while in diamond 4... I feel dumb for not seeing this sooner. People are always stupid in solo queue and don't work THAT well together. Plus with all this new movement speed and low death timers and 1 shot dmg this season, people just don't care about vision and macro enough. They want big battle, and they will int to get battle off. While you could argue players would help each other in pro for this and work together to regain that vision, its true, but this is solo queue dude. Nobody does that even in masters elo. And the no vision theory definitely applies in pro as well. They only play WHEN there is vision, and if you keep max tempo for it, then they'll never be able to play. Tempo is important for ADCs. It's almost all we have left anymore.

[@MercurialDecree]

What frigging elo is this? Currntly at duration 4:58 and 3 people are face checking bushes after literally watching the last person who died face checking. This is either gold or dimond. Only dimond players have that much "confidence" Edit its master's 🤣 friggin figures

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[@vastroy6307]

its important to note that you become very predictable and you will be collapsed on

[@HanzHermannHoppe]

your team lowkey wins the fight if they use everything to kill you

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[@Xiler6969]

You need to be quicker to get to the fucking point

[@haroldpham6693]

Second!

[@lilcbeats1995]

first???

[@Trods911]

Major counter to this strategy Evelyn/Twitch/Shaco. But I applied this strat with the best ADC there is, Sivir *cough* *cough* need buff plz. She is in a terminal states for 1v1 2v2 the champion is weak asf in skirmish.💀 I secured Emerald yesterday only focusing that through mid game, ended with top damage somehow on 3 games...