The 10 Worst Quests in Baldur's Gate 3

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Patch 7 Highlights were just shared! The Gondian Steelwatcher is being fixed and added to the game!

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

ffff😭

[@richardrichter2285]

Challenge idea: do a solo run on tactician/honour with the worst possible build, made by Cephalopocalypse: copper dragonborn wild magic sorcerer with 8 CHA, 9 DEX-CON, 15 STR-WIS, 17 INT, with useless spells/cantrips: dancing light, true strike, poison spray, light, charm person, featherfall. No armor proficiencies, simple weapons only, starting with 5 hp. And every level up you have to choose the most useless spells/feats :)

[@hiddenleif6854]

when proxy is getting softlocked you know it's a crazy chal

[@giuseppedue2367]

Just in time to celebrate the anniversary 🤣

[@YEKOBness]

The gondian quest sucks, but pissing off wulbren who’s the biggest asshole ever makes it worth it.

[@kingnuggs6337]

Pissing off Wulbren *is* the quest reward

[@i3lackfusion]

I started to just leave them in moonrise. No one will miss him

[@drewcifers8thcircleofheck307]

I regret that I can't kill Wulbren. Pissing him off kind of fills the void, but not really.

[@HarryPujols]

That quest must be bugged because when you save them all, it does show in Gather Your Allies that they will help you against the Absolute, only for them to be a no show.

[@rockassassin64]

also you still get the iron hands you just tell Wulbren's ex to be the leader

[@Saintbalor]

I will happily side with the Gondians and get absolutely no rewards just for the pleasure of sticking it to Wulbren

[@Martin-di9pp]

You can have Barcus replace Wulben as leader of the Ironhands and have both factions as allies in the final fight.

[@RavenNiffler]

@@Martin-di9pp Yes! I found this much more rewarding

[@emmasilver2332]

Yeah. Screw Wulbren

[@mewmew34]

​@@emmasilver2332 Fuck Wulbren Bongle.

[@Sacryfy]

@@Martin-di9ppHow?

[@thenim8999]

Wyll's quest is also incredibly disappointing. The whole part with Ansur made me bitter because the Emperor just. Stole the scene. Like wtf man I was so upset at that. Wyll doesn't even have that many extra lines. Also Save the Gondians ends up with having both the Ironhand and Gondians as allies if Barcus is there. I love that little gnome. You can help him cast out Wulbren and unite the two factions and it was so satisfying! I only managed this in my second playthrough because I'd managed to keep Barcus alive and it was very rewarding.

[@Than211]

Ansur was terribly unsatisfying, I have to agree. All this talk about a legendary dragon and whatnot and thinking that it'll help us turns out to be an enemy. The equipment from doing it is nice but in terms of story, it left a lot to be desired.

[@vinny985]

Honestly it’s his whole quest that’s like that, i had a bug on my first run that broke wyll’s companion quest so it never started in the journal, but i still completed all the major objectives just by exploring without ever knowing they were part of his quest, i swear it feels like he isn’t needed in his own story and it’s just sad…

[@aiadeva]

The Ansur quest felt exactly like "The Hobbit" (the movies) : they made a HUGE deal out of him for a long time (I mean you gotta pass a Gauntlet of Shar v2 and stuff), only then to be rewarded with dialog that you literally have NO say in it (unlike other dialogs where different options lead to different dialogs) and then no choice but to having to defat the dragon, no new allies. Like wtf bro why are you mad at ME???? Im not the one that killed you. Afterward you DO get a few new dialog options with the Emperor which I thought was pretty cool, but besides that, thats it. very disappointing in the end

[@Korhi]

Wyll's entire quest can be completed without him ever leaving camp lmao. Shadowheart, Astarion and Lae'zel kinda steal the show from everyone else, even Gale's personal quest is a bit lacking, though nowhere near as weak as Wyll and Karlach's who suffered greatly from being last minute adjustments and additions respectively.

[@badjas7973]

I tried to convince them to let barcus be the leader in my first playthrough, but then failed the checks. I ended up having done the entire quest with zero rewards. Wulbren hated me cause I let the gondian live and the gondian couldnt help me cause of said reason in the video. Really sucked cause the entire quest felt pointless.

[@primrosett]

If I could at least commission Oskar to paint Astarion so he could see himself again, it'd make that damn quest a little more worth it but NO. he has no reaction! Istg the painting you get isn't worth what I paid the Zhent to free him and also frankly........ Janneth is too good for Oskar, he kind of sucks as a person and doesn't deserve her devotion. Next run I'm leaving him with the Zhent, girlie will be better off.

[@Korhi]

My painting almost always turns out to be Minsc and it makes me laugh every single time. Also I think they're both actually much better off with Oskar in the Zhentarim's hands.

[@portpebble]

I killed all the Zhentarim so he could escape, but he still didn’t leave by himself. In Act 3 now, and he gets so mad like “after you FAILED to save me 😡” like bruh. Jannath was having an art gallery at her house and was feeling bad abt him until I told her he left her for another woman. She was frustrated, but thanked me bc now she didn’t have to worry abt him. Gave me the ring, too 👍 UPDATE: killed all the Zhentarim AGAIN, through the Guild Hall fight. He still won't leave. At this point I think leaving him to his own devices is natural selection.

[@My_Master_Waves]

When I found this quest I literally thought if I save him he will probably be available for my painting creation. Like goblins for the statue, but no he literally does nothing.

[@ry2950]

The painting always changed who it was whenever I picked it up and dropped it. Wish it would've just let us lock in one character, and get special dialogue if that character was Astarion.

[@madamefluffy4788]

What's the point when Astarion wouldn't react, anyway? (basing this on how Astarion has no reaction if you pay the hefty price to have a statue made of him).

[@AllergyPuppy]

The suspicious toys quest DOES suck, but the reward of being able to get a huge pile of explosives from it soothes any gripes I have tbh.

[@sophiasu5885]

Though you can also just randomly stumble upon this place, be like “omg why so many explosives around I’m going to steal every single one of them” then return out of town get into the basement realizing there’s a quest😂

[@Miju_YT]

@@sophiasu5885Yep, same happened to me xD

[@Nike-gs8ig]

It was a dumb decision (on purpose), but casting fireball during the fight in the shop was fun.

[@sirdro1339]

It always freezes on us whenever we confront the banites as soon as the clerk gets to take.his action.

[@yvaskhmir]

No reward is worth messing with Avery Sonshal. His powers extend beyond simple AC or attack power. We are but mere pawns in his schemes.

[@emberblade7430]

Saving the Gondians for me was never about the reward. My party had almost everything they needed at that point. My character was trying to be a hero, and couldn't just turn a blind eye to their plight. Plus, the Iron throne encounter is just amazing. Even though it isn't as dangerous as some of the bosses, the time limit really makes it memorable. Most exciting encounter besides Ansur IMO.

[@aekritleborgne1065]

Exactly my point too. The iron Trhone is so unique. And it gives you Ravenguard in the final battle as an ally, and Omeluum gives you some items if u save him. Slightly better than fighting fucking ghosts for hours and gaining a paint that you can't put on a wall....

[@Miju_YT]

Reading this really lets me regret to have killed Gortash on my first encounter with him. If you do that you never get that Iron throne encounter :((

[@jackllewellynkramer]

I loved the whole quest, but come on. You don't even get a cutscene where you get to see them united! If you're not going to give a reward, at least give a heartfelt cutscene or thank you😊

[@MirOmran]

@@aekritleborgne1065 A painting that isn't even of your character lol

[@MargaManterola]

I hated the Ansur encounter. Come to think of it, it should have made this list! An ugly fight and all for nothing. You can get the loot without the fight.

[@crumblyairship]

on my first "Save the Gondians" playthrough, i decided to use a Potion of Angelic Reprieve because i'd never gotten to, and i REALLY needed it, because it was ridiculously difficult to keep these idiots alive. i jumped up into the rafters and used it, because nothing could really hit me up there a Gondian jumped up, SHOVED me, and woke me up. i decided to just let them die after that

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Ok that’s hilarious the gondians are so stupid hhahaha

[@SaHaRaSquad]

Reminds me of that video where someone saved Jaheira in the tower fight by teleporting her up to the rafters and healing her. After that she immediately jumped down, went prone and died before she could do anything.

[@kieranflaherty3316]

I just had the opposite yesterday! I was doing great in the fight, but then had two steel watchers next to me about to explode... I managed to move my party but my "me" was stuck there. Some absolute babe of a gondian - before moving herself from the blast - pushed me to safety!! ♥ I stared at the screen in awe for a bit and then clipped it 😂

[@crumblyairship]

@@SaHaRaSquad god i love the BG3 AI so much 😐

[@SwordSaint892]

I think most allies are programmed to do something like that if they find opportunity. I used an Angel Potion during the final sequence and once of the summoned Hellrider allies decided to spend his turn shoving me awake and not helping kill the giant goddamn dragon lol

[@HeavenlyHavoc]

Raiding the grove is easily the worst choice in the entire game simply because of Dammon. You get some low level loot from a few druids but lose out on the flawed helldusk set, the armor of persistence, like four best-in-slot weapons, the darkfire shortbow, and basically any interesting arrows bc he sells the vast majority of those in act 3

[@georgecoman8448]

not to mention that you can just go and kill all the druids for loot and XP after the party and nobody bats an eye 😅

[@TheLeviathan1293]

I mean, for the arrows Karlach's friend sells those and you can also find them in. Wyrm Rock and Rivington. The only issue for me is the Legacy of the Masters. Those gloves are exactly what an archer (or a unholy assassin) wants.

[@wsmith7918]

Minthara sitting on my face >>> absolutely anything dammon has to offer me

[@ShadowFlower15]

@@wsmith7918 Get on my level, I managed to get Minthara to sit on my face AND Dammon is my bro since I can pull both off.

[@wsmith7918]

@@ShadowFlower15 no face sitting scene without tiefling genocide unfortunately

[@DngnRdr]

The chicken chasing will be done with the owlbear cub if you let it live if/when you killed it's mother. In this case you can talk to it and get it to go where it needs to and then tell it to follow your scent to camp.

[@EluneAnzu]

You can skip the need to do chicken chasing with dialogue options and still get the cub to show up at your camp as long as you let it get your sent before talking to the goblin.

[@superkawaii792]

As drow elf she hands over the reward for winning and all her earnings 😆

[@LexIconLS]

You can also go to the cave, meet the Owlbears then leave. Then, a couple of long rests later, you can go back and the mother will be dead, killed by the goblins who then took the cub back for the chicken chase.

[@darkdragonmedeus705]

Yeah, Owl Bear makes it a lot better.

[@stuffandthings617]

@@EluneAnzu You don't even need that. I killed all goblins, then entered Owlbear cave and let her live so backed out of the conversation. Long rest Owlbear mama is dead. And somewhat later the cub just appears at camp on it's own. Had it in my first playthrough and also in my second (although it did not yet join me in my second as I only had the scene where it comes and runs away, only in my second playthrough it was Astarion who chased it away instead of Gale, but since I use Astarion and not Gale in that run it may be that)

[@Ovfrost]

Iron Throne rescue mission has to be one of the most memorable gameplay moments in the game for me. Sure it's very hard to save everyone, but it's like a tactical puzzle you have to solve, many times involving preparations before going in there. And if it's annoying for you, but you still wanna save everyone, go partial illithid with all your characters - It becomes almost trivial with perma fly and mind blasts.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I enjoyed it too, but after realizing there’s no reward for doing well and no achievement for saving them all it felt like ok… why did I bother trying so hard to do it. I think if gondians were only required to be saved there and no other areas I could accept it’s not bad

[@yanli111]

Or, get a monk with rogue multi class, stack some movement speed, haste, and go super sonic with step of the wind, loop across the entire map like twice in one turn and unlock every prison cell. 😂 it is hilarious to imagine that in real time

[@kademelien9363]

I thought I f*cked up, when my time was running out and I had only Omeluum left to save. I got to control him, checked his abilities and it was so rewarding to actually pull it off by saving everyone including the Duke with Mizoras interference.

[@teampower7820]

Mizora coming in from nowhere with the spiders and taking control of Ravenguard is a dirty move imo.

[@BardianAngel]

@@ProxyGateTacticianI don't get this. My character would try to save everyone, that's all the motivation i need.

[@marvcollins7842]

The underwater prison was honestly one of my favorite parts of act 3. It actually required strategy to save all the gnomes, the Duke and Omeleum inside the time limit.

[@davidmoran7827]

It definitely grew on me after a couple of playthroughs. Even harder if you freed Wyll from Mizora and she is actively trying to stop you.

[@brittahasnofilter]

I just played it today for the first time after completely stumbling on the submersible with no idea what it did, and it was SO fun for me. Had to save and reload a few times to figure out how to save Ravengard, but that’s part of the game :)))

[@TheOwlQueen]

I just did it for the second time last night and I BARELY got my durge back onto the sub. It was so extremely fun. It's pretty easy if you make sure both Wyll and Gale have the ability to create portals for your party and the gondians and your party to use.

[@elizabethduffy2145]

Save the Gondians does mean Barcus ends up leader of the Iron Hands though. Do it for him :)

[@artwithlaur]

And he calls you friend :)

[@CabinetofThorns]

I was gonna say… do it for Barcus! Also, go to the Iron Throne first before going to the Gondians… saves you a trip

[@Danny_B13]

I would, but my tav accidentally pulled the wrong lever and now his body is resting in the blighted village. I guess pissing off Wulbren is my reward for the quest

[@CabinetofThorns]

@@Danny_B13 noooo 🤣

[@adchoalulle387]

@@Danny_B13 Yeah, happened to my last Dark Urge as well. xD I considered reloading, but since it was... you know... a Dark Urge, it kinda fit too well to not just leave poor Barcus dead.

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

I genuinely can’t believe I completed the dribbles the clown quest my first time playing. I did literally everything I could in act 3, but I’m still amazed I found all his pieces LOL

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Actually impressive

[@sophiasu5885]

Same, explored pretty much every piece of the city, picked every lock I could stumble upon😂

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

@@ProxyGateTactician Thank you 🙏

[@MrTrellheim]

Same here, I still don't know how I managed to find all the pieces. Some of them are very out of the way.

[@TimeSorceror]

I always have trouble finding the one in Lavernica's house, because it's in this little alleyway tucked underneath a bridge that's not on a main path, but knowing it shares a wall with Araj's exploding lab place helps a little.

[@eomer6520]

The Free the Artist Quest is the most annoying because the battle is within the house with multiple layers. The ghosts will agro you even if they're on the higher floor and they take their turns forever. After doing it on my first playthrough, I always kill the artist in the Zentharim hideout. LoL

[@mikeevers9079]

I agree. Easily irritated me the most.

[@kylehalpern9705]

my issue is that i had to engage with carrion. Why couldn't i cast remove curse on the portrait. It felt like a common sense move to me.

[@yanli111]

My issue is the bugs. The quest is already annoying to do, and i actually would’ve be happy with painting cuz at that pint in act3 I’m all stack up with everything, with end game builds and don’t really need much. Instead of gold or some gear I most likely wouldn’t need, portrait of my character is something very unique and cool for once. No other quest does anything similar. HOWEVER, the damn painting buggs out every single time. Not only is it random, the character in the painting would also change everything you load the game or change location or go to camp, heck, even reloading a save will change the portrait. Like for example it would be that of Gale when being rewarded, then you go to camp and it becomes Jaheim’s, then you save and reload and it becomes Laezel, then you go back out and it becomes just blank. and then you quit the game and reopen and it becomes Astarion. Like wtf? Is like as if it’s possessed, ironically. Realizing that instantly breaks your immersion. Safe to say, in all my subsequent playthrough, lady jannath mansion has only been used for her art exhibition.

[@HarryPujols]

In my second playthrough I understood the right choice was just to let the ghost take him, you get that ring at least.

[@agirlnamedmichael1670]

@@yanli111 How does break your immersion? Obviously it's a magic painting

[@dopaminedrought395]

it's more satisfying to see lady jannath freely having a social event in her not-destroyed home. this happens if you don't save Oskar from the zhent (you can still meet him in act 3)

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I just noticed that if you don't do the questline there are humans outside the mansion trying to find ghosts but failing lol what a timeline

[@mr.shadow_wolf]

Now I don't feel so bad for ignoring him when I fight the Zents and set off all those explosions to kill three of them in the first round.

[@theveganduolingobird7349]

Honestly the issue with Karlachs quest isn’t that the ending isn’t “good” it’s just you get so many options and implications that there is a solution. Kinda disappointing her only real “good” option is to back to literal hell.

[@yanli111]

I would argue the quest being simplistic is that makes it really underwhelming. Literally all you do is get 2 inferno iron and dialogue. There is nothing to it. You don’t even get a quest to go out of you way to a specific location to find these material, you just stumble upon them while you do other stuff. All other companion have waaaay cooler and longer quest with either unique location, unique boss, unique choice that alters the storyline, unique npc to save or interact with, unique gear as reward, unique new ability, or a combination of all. Meanwhile karlach get “fetch” quest and I guess kill gortash, which you would do anyway in main quest. Even wyll, who’s got the second half-baked companion quest, have ties with iron throne and slay the wyrm, and 2 potential reward that can only be obtained thru Mizora. they really didnt put much work in karlach’s quest😅

[@HarryPujols]

And you get soo much infernal iron later in the game, and it’s basically useless.

[@theveganduolingobird7349]

@@yanli111 does getting the infernal iron even do anything? The first infernal iron doesn’t even give you approval lol. I’m not the type of guy to only do quests for rewards since I like the story and all but you’d think karlach would atleast be slightly appreciative of you stopping her dying

[@indri1553]

@@HarryPujols Dammon can make 3 items from that infernal iron

[@primrosett]

Yeah I honestly don't understand why they put all that dialogue with the steel watch if it leads nowhere lol. I believe Swen when he says there wasn't more; Karlach was a late addition and was just meant to be a minor NPC. But it's weird there are all these breadcrumbs with a dead end.

[@cursedmonkey1033]

There's the House of Grief battle, not so much a quest, but. That one and the Iron Thrown were initially the must frustrating but when you figure out how to beat them they're easily the most memorable and satisfying. Seeing all those gnomes running to the ladder and you're like "Yay, go go go!" I think it's just what the designers had in mind when they made them.

[@frenchtantan]

I only found out too late that the House of Grief fight is THE place for Shadowheart to use her Divine Intervention (Sunder the Heretical mainly). LOTS of enemies, makes perfect sense story-wise whether you killed the Nightsong or not, and objectively makes the fight a lot easier if you combine it with other AoE attacks. I lost that battle a LOT due to not using it. Ended up getting a lucky initiative roll with Shadowheart just before Gale, ran up the entrance stairs with all my party, used summons to keep the enemies busy at the bottom of them, used SH's daylight spell to get rid of the darkness, immediately followed by Gale fireballing the now-funnelled sharrans. My monk Tav and Karlach were here to defend Gale and get rid of any enemy with enough movement to climb up the stairs. But hooo boy, tough fight.

[@shadowdroid776]

I had to reload at least 3 times in the House of Grief solely from that fight. It was a nightmare!

[@cursedmonkey1033]

@@shadowdroid776 There's an easy way to do it, though it takes ages.

[@Verienn]

house of grief is tedious, but I definitely wouldnt call it difficult.

[@SergeantStark]

House of Grief was easily the _worst_ for me until I figured out the stairs strat on my 4th or 5th attempt: set up two scrolls of Wall of Fire horizontally and vertically to make a flaming cross shape that most of the Sharrans just repeatedly ran through lmao. Astarion, Jaheira wildshaped as an owlbear, and my sorcadin stood behind the door and picked off anyone who got too close with ranged spells/attacks, and if someone tried using Darkness or similar when they got close I counterspelled 'em. Shadowheart healed us if we ever did get hurt, and she also used two scrolls to summon two mud mephits and a larger Earth elemental in front of the door to hold the line. The _real_ kicker though is because I went through the big Zhentarim vs Guild fight after recruiting Minsc, I got the iron flask (with the Spectator trapped in it) since I did their quest legit and never stole it. That Spectator was only lvl 5 and did _not_ live long against the Sharrans, but it was the real mvp during my final attempt. I just had Astarion chuck it into the center of the room and misty step back behind the door before we raised the walls of flame lmao

[@Brainfly-]

I legitimately don't understand the Gauntlet of Shar hate. The trials are easy enough, even on Honour Mode, are overall pretty interesting, and that section of the game has some awesome character interactions and backstory. Ofc the trials won't be as fun on a second go around because they're puzzles you've already solved, but I never dread it like some people seem to 😶

[@ProxyGateTactician]

It wouldn’t be as bad if it didn’t feel like you need to cheese the invisible maze to complete it. Also the elevator is in there lol I’m surprised you don’t mind that for Honour mode

[@Dutchbrother07]

The hidden path trial was bugged when I first attempted it on tactician and just kept killing me even though I was on the path. So you bet your ass I used knock on that door for honor mode and skipped that bad boy

[@teampower7820]

I don't mind the self same trial and the ring you get is worth it but fuck the invisible maze.

[@gildeddrake1479]

I don't understand the hate for the invisible maze. I could see the path highlighted on the ground and I just had to follow it and I got it first time with no trouble. Why do you guys not have it highlighted ?

[@x23-w1o]

@@gildeddrake1479sometimes it is bugged and you can see the path. Also every time i did it by jumping/ flying to the platforms it would randomly kill me like 80% of the time for no apparent reason.

[@hermitowl_]

Raid the grove quest is probably the least favorite for me because minthara's behavior doesn't make sense. She's send here for a mission - find the artifact. And yet neither during the raid nor after it she doesn't search the grove, doesn't interrogate anyone, no investigation done whatsoever. And the next day she just leaves, thinking that murder of "heretics" will win her any favors. Like girl aren't you forgetting something? Something about an artifact hmm?.. that was infuriating for me

[@ProxyGateTactician]

The goblins did a lot of looting though so she trusted them I guess? But yea she totally dropped the ball never trust a gobo

[@hermitowl_]

@@ProxyGateTactician and worst of all you disappoint halsin :(

[@jam34786]

Agree. Minthara has a lot of herp-derp moments that might get missed in a single playthrough but become more obvious/ annoying in later runs. Of all the companions, she feels the least refined/ consistent. Fortunately, Emma Gregory's performance was so stellar, it overshadowed all of the Minthara writing flaws for me, at least. I could attentively listen to that lady talk about tax code and have a good time 😅

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

There's a very good reason Minthara's behavior doesn't make sense. Spoilers if you don't know, but it's because she's very literally not the one making those choices. She even condemns you for attacking the grove if you don't have a reasonable explanation for it. For the record, the attack on the grove has nothing to do with the artifact. They're entirely separate things. Attacking the grove is solely because the Absolute said so. They know the survivors of the nautiloid crash have the artifact, and that's a separate issue. We even encounter separate groups of the Absolute's forces going after these two different goals specifically.

[@hush9185]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 literally this lol

[@seraphina1724]

This really highlighted how important the permanent see invisibility buff is...

[@LibertyRapsher]

If you're referencing the poltergeist section... I had the permanent see invisibility buff and it did little to nothing for me in that section. One ghost still insisted on playing hide and seek for at least an hour.

[@shrubert]

It just triggered combat while I was walking by, for me. I was getting that buried chest in the yard and the see invisibility buff ‘revealed’ a poltergeist inside of that stupid house (who designed that house, btw? It’s got the dumbest layout. I know it’s a game dungeon and not an irl house but still. Damn.) and I had to spend 3-5 turns just dashing through the house, triggering combat with all the other poltergeists, to get to where that first revealed ghost was. 100% save the artist is the worst quest in the game. It’s so damn long for such a meagre reward and leads into the mystic carrion quest, which makes it feel even longer.

[@zero11010]

Except ... who gets that buff? The game is VERY literally telling you over and over ... "dude, Volo is killing you. You sure you want it to get worse?" The people who did it WITHOUT knowing the reward did it out of morbid curiosity and likely do both different paths of every single choice.

[@thevoidcritter]

I desperately wish it would be possible to blackmail Gortash with the toy quest

[@eclecticcode]

Fr!! What's the point of uncovering this plot? Confirming what we already knew, that Bane's best boy probably isn't a Good Person™?

[@thevoidcritter]

@@eclecticcode I know, right? It's not like he sold my girlfriend to a devil or anything

[@knightofskylark]

I call Find Dribbles the worst with how annoying it is for a crap reward imo. Save the Gondians at least leads you to where Duke Ravenguard and Omeluum are and if you help Barcus you can still get the ironhand gnomes in the final fight while siding with the Gondians. Having a controllable Steel Watcher in the final fight would have been fantastic

[@HarryPujols]

Rescuing Omeluun only gives you some junk reward when you find him back at the Society

[@aiadeva]

@@HarryPujols i gotta admit, my personal reward for saving Omeluum is him saying that he likes me XDD

[@Abimin100]

@@HarryPujols saving Omie IS the reward on itself. Would protect best squid with my character's life.

[@ironstranger314]

Yeah find dribbles is the worst quest you go on this long as goose chase to find his body parts which idk how anyone could do on a blind play trough I had to look that shit up and once you complete the quest the circus gone they leave getting rid of a amazing area with fantastic characters and scents merchants I know they said they would leave once dribbles was found but I didn’t expect the devs actually remove them like I thought would be “oh you found dribbles thanks here’s some mediocre gloves and we’ll be leaving soon” and have them remain there while your still in act three as they are preparing that way the circus is still there the player still has access to the merchants and characters while their “preparing to leave”

[@FalconWindblader]

As soon as i read up about the Spellmight gloves, picking up Dribbles' remains became little more than a footnote. It's just ridiculous that you went outta your way on a shit tedious quest only to get some junk that you'd have no qualms about selling right away.

[@markcobane5551]

I think the fact that none of these are really THAT bad speaks to how good Baldur's Gate 3 is

[@ProxyGateTactician]

For sure. I almost changed the video to be top 5 lol

[@thiagoanbonfim]

Dribbles and Oskar quests felt really out of place for level 12 characters.

[@OMGUKILLKENNY2]

@@thiagoanbonfim The one redeeming thing about the dribbles questline is that all the murder scenes are callbacks to the main antagonists of BG2 Throne of Bhaal DLC.

[@starwarslover015]

With the gondians, you can side with them but convince Barcus to take over the iron hand gnomes. He will send you help in the final battle by giving you grenaders

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Right, but the quest says the gondians will still help you in the final battle if you choose that option and they still don’t send any help which feels broken somehow

[@sunbleachedangel]

​@@ProxyGateTacticianWeird how they fixed the Watcher not using one of his abilities correctly but not fixed him not appearing there at all. Maybe a case of them checking something with debug tools to spawn him in there or something

[@ProxyGateTactician]

@@sunbleachedangel I used the debug book mod (which adds their debug tools) and if you use the mod in there it works fine.

[@New2DM2]

While "Save the Gondians" fizzles out when you get to the foundry, "The Iron Throne" quest on its own is one of my favorite in the game.

[@p1553d0f]

I personally hate resolve the abduction because up until that quest I had fully commited to no savescumming. But Isobelle decided to trigger 3 opportunity attacks and go down.

[@feroxk.9266]

thats why i move all my characters to the entrance points to the room and block the entry.. NPC's really have a good tendency to kill themselves as soon as possible xD

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

It really sucks when you cast Sanctuary on Isobel and her first chance to break that effect she does.

[@Empiro3]

It's a quest/battle that desperately needs more "outs". I like it when the outcomes of tactical fights can lead different story results depending on what exactly happened (for example, the Iron Throne battle does exactly this, which is why a lot of people love it). It keeps game more replayable and makes the world feel more dynamic. However, a minor bit of unluckiness or not-quite-optimal tactics shouldn't mean the difference between "everything is peachy" and "everyone is dead" like it does at the Inn. For example, if Isobel goes down, you should be able to prevent her from being taken. Maybe the warding falters and a few Harpers outside die (making the later assault a bit harder). Even if you let her get taken, maybe you can find another way to ward the Inn (at the cost of more lives outside the inn). Later on, you should still have the chance to keep Isobel alive by KOing her in the Ketheric battle.

[@archiveacc3248]

​​@@dontmisunderstand6041this ^ thought I was gigabrain for casting invisibility on her and she immediately breaks it and starts getting rekt. Waste of a spell charge

[@scroogemcduck8509]

Investigate the Fireworks: I was okay with the quest. The reward for me was throwing multiple people out the window. Then the shopkeeper joined the fight. He would take a full minute to decide to dash upstairs. He almost destroyed my Honour Mode run by getting me caught in a crash loop every time I loaded into the game. Way too overpowered move-set for a stupid shopkeeper.

[@brittahasnofilter]

I HATED that. Happened to me too and I had to reload a save from 30 minutes before and just go kill him in one round first thing

[@coopstain1728]

MY GAME WOULD CRASH ON PS5 EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. I WOULD ATTACK AND IT WAS THE SHOPKEEPERS TURN. I MEAN EVERY SINGLE TIME. I HAD TO START PUTTING CHARACTERS DOWN THERE WITH HIM FOR THE GAME NOT TO CRASH.

[@skawtiep]

Siding with the Gondians pisses off Wulbren, which is a great reward on its own.

[@x_rhi_x2772]

Everyone talks about how karlach gets a crap ending, but honestly spawn astarion starts burning up and has to live life in the underdark, which is also pretty lame for an outcome. Some of the companions even just casually say "guess we wont see him ever again. Oh well".... Im glad the epilogues hinted at both a cure for karlachs heart, and astarion still looking for ways to walk in the sun, though

[@Slack-3R]

I don't think he lives in the underdark. He is just back to night life in baldurs gate. He also talks about how he tries to save people now. Not the worst ending

[@gbzebs]

@@Slack-3R In my game I played as a Seldarine Drow, romanced Astarion, didn't Ascend him and released all the spawns into the underdark. On the Epilogue we ended up living in the Underdark, training the spawns to control themselves, like an Xman institute.

[@itzan7513]

It's because Astarion burning from the sun after the tadpoles get purged is lore and ingame logically sound. Karlach not being able to fix her engine considering the steel watch has the improved version, the gondians are engineers who know all about the engines and the blacksmith NPC seemed like he could fix it down the line. It was just cut because Larian decided to cut the whole upper Baldurs' gate. And then they lied about it, even tho 2 weeks before release they talked about it.

[@danielduncan6806]

Only evil monsters force Karlach to go on living in Avernus, after she explicitly says she would rather die. The only reason she goes on living is because you manipulate her into doing so. Like forcing a pet to live with painful and devastating injuries just to sate your own emotional desires. Disgusting. They included the false hope of return to give you a way out, a means of allowing you to keep your false moral high ground intact. But I know the truth. And now you do too.

[@bazilrichardson5989]

@@itzan7513 i mean... archdruids can canoically cure vampirism in dnd lore... so halsin could cure him. Its actually not really all that hard to cure vampirism or even just find a way to walk in the sun again. I think some sort of mention that you are at least looking for a cure rather than accepting his fate (or as it says in the quest log), dooming him. But yes, I think Karlach should definitely have some sort of way(also I saw somewhere, scrolls of true resurrection could cure her, if that's true Gale has one as well as the party could easily afford one or the compents for one). There are several holes regarding things like this, as there would definitely be a way to figure it out pretty easily if it is dnd lor based(which it is).

[@jhfh3112]

I really like the Shar trials, except for the Faith-Leap one. The soft-step trial lets you use a bunch of solutions to get around it such as invisibility potion/spell, gaseous form, or just being super fast; so I think it lets you experiment and try different things in multiple playthroughs. The self-same trial is a pretty fun 'gotcha' on a first playthorugh when your characters are probably not optimised anyway but encourages sneaky tactics on second playthroughs such as removing the enemies' equipment or sneaking in companions after the trial starts, both of which I think are on the border of 'was I meant to do that' solutions which I find very fun in an RPG. I agree the faith-leap trial seems not to be implemented correctly though, and they really needed to avoid anything requiring fine control in a game where fine character control is not really possible.

[@Furthea2]

Try the faith leap with a moon lantern. I've read that reveals the path and I think that's what I did on my first playthrough though at the time I just thought it was a settings bug when the path stayed visible.

[@cixelsyd40]

@@Furthea2the visible floor was a bug that they have since fixed. Was visible in my first run but more recent runs the paths are invisible as intended. Still easy though as the map of the routes is at the start.

[@labelle4497]

For Faith-Leap, I've started I just jumping the platforms 😅

[@RexxyRobin]

For faith leap I have memorized the path and you can achieve farily accurate movement, by always turning your camera to a 90° angle relative to the direction you need to move, then placing your cursor at your characters feet and moving it horizontally to the target location

[@archiveacc3248]

Faith leap is easy with the map on the floor but its super bullshit that it just starts killing you if you try and jump through it. The game normally does a great job of rewarding creative thinking, so suddenly introducing an instakill punishment for thinking outside the box sucks ass

[@jaxi-fye]

For me the investigation of Suspicious Toys will always be the most useless quest line :/ Like you mentioned it seems so odd there's literally NOTHING you can do with the info once you've figured it all out, no reward for killing them or 'revealing' them.

[@wiewioragaming5726]

you need to come back and talk to the toy maker to finish the quest

[@NoLifeButMyOwn]

In defense of the chicken chasing, it’s very easy to skip that. I mostly use it to get the owlbear cub. I’ve literally never done it with an actual chicken tbh.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

From what I’ve read you actually get a gold reward from the owlbear version so maybe only chicken is broken

[@callmeraeak]

Am I the only one who turns on turn based mode and just shoves the chicken where I want it to go? lol

[@LibertyRapsher]

I've never once done the chicken thing either. That's one you almost have to go out of your way to experience as it is.

[@DestroyerOfSouls213]

If you talk to the chicken with speak with animals on, you can tell it to run to the end, no check, I think you can do the same with owlbear cub( there might be a check there, can’t remember rn)

[@wiewioragaming5726]

you can also move the boxes and chests to cut off the way back and guide it where you want it to go

[@TheLumikko]

I'm actually a really big fan of Karlach's questline. It's sad and heart wrenching to know that you can't find a way to properly save her during the game. But, with her romance having the option to blaze through Avernus with her was the best ending possible for me. She still gets her freedom, and someone to stay by her side. She does also mention that you found plans to fix the engine and are getting ready to raid one of Zariel's forges to do it, which is fun to think about.

[@Empiro3]

Yeah, not every story needs to be wrapped up in a tidy bow to be good. However, I do think that a valid complaint is that Karlach's questline is just kind of simplistic. It's basically a fetch quest and then you're done. Her relationship with Gortash is kind of interesting, but also a bit half-baked. Other than having some unique dialog, there's not much else going on.

[@ninethreefivesix]

I can respect Larian's decision to move on from Baldur's Gate, but I am super disappointed. There's so much more to this world. I genuinely thought we'd face Zariel or Vlaakith during our campaign.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I fully expected the same. I thought while playing we'll eventually meet Vlakkith during the base game as an encounter too

[@TheGreendaleHumanBeing]

We don’t go to level 20 so that’s not gonna happen

[@iamchill549]

​@BornToTroll-it5ju way to call them egotistical when all they've done this past year is continue to patch and provide as much content as possible for free. It's not even their fault, WotC is just that shitty that no one wants to work with them.

[@jasonscottsego7311]

​@@TheGreendaleHumanBeingif you play Descent into Avernus then you can absolutely slap Zariel around at level 13. She isn't that powerful in the lore, BG3 talks her up more than it should

[@TheGreendaleHumanBeing]

@@jasonscottsego7311 I was talking about vlaakith

[@What_do_I_Think]

One major objection here: At the end of the save the Gondians quest, there are three options. You can side with the Gondians or with the Ironhands or you can replace Wulbren. This option is only available though, when you did not let another important person fly in the first act. With this third option you still get the support of the Ironhands in the final battle.

[@mattdixoncarter9383]

I’ll admit it. I pulled the wrong lever my first time. 😬

[@onereallyradgator6179]

I really despised Ethel's quest in Act 1, specifically the combat encounters in the swamp. I know it is intended to be dangerous and hard to maneuver but all the mud, poison, and cc makes it my least favorite thing to do in the whole game.

[@tobiasbayer4866]

The worst thing is playing it for the first time, taking ages to get to ber boss fight nd then realise you are horribly underleveled so you have to reload a save from over an hour ago.

[@phoenixwright3752]

i dont get why karlach just doesnt stay in the house of hope? theres a good person there, its in the hells, she can be comfortable until they can find a solution? its so aggravating to see her either die, or force you and wyll to go to hell (rip if youre dating will and want karlach to live).

[@MargaManterola]

"Force you and wyll to go to hell (rip if youre dating will and want karlach to live)": This was actually my ending and I interpreted it to mean that we became a trio, fighting demons in hell together. I was not bothered by it at all.

[@LibertyRapsher]

is she just gonna sit around with Hope flicking her bean. Being stuck in that place would be the most boring thing ever. I never felt all bubbly inside when Hope decides to stay there. Sure, her situation greatly improved not being a captive and all, but not by much.

[@yotosfuneral]

i believe it’s because zariel is pretty much constantly hunting her down, so staying in one place would be the worst possible decision. i cant think of a specific dialogue but i’m pretty sure karlach says a few times throughout the game that she’s been running from zariel and her hell army for a long time. holding up probably wouldn’t work, especially not in the HoH.

[@toddcooper2290]

@@MargaManterola Same here, I actually loved this ending as it let my character keep adventuring with two of his favorite companions. I know Karlach didn't WANT to go back to Avernus but I think the three of them could make the best of it.

[@kirikakirikakirika]

Because Zariel is constantly hunting her. If she goes to the House of Hope, she'll just endanger its inhabitants.

[@NaveWarp]

As much as I was sad seeing the ending for Karlach, I still find it interesting and nicely written. Not everything is fixable, not everyone can be saved, some people will die or return to their miserable state after clearing the main quest, that's just how it is.

[@vamp97]

And if she goes with Wyll, it doesn’t even feel like a tragic ending. The pair of them are out there taking names and kicking ass.

[@NaveWarp]

@@vamp97 Agreed, they seem to be having quite some fun together down there

[@Bacxaber]

The problem is, at least three people should be able to fix her (whoever installed the engine in the first place, the ironhands, and the steelwatch), and Karlach mentions a wish spell but it's never a real option. I don't accept it because it's forced drama that ignores solutions.

[@mintkit1064]

I don't like the Karlach quest because it's just not finished. They were speaking about the upper city two months before release. And the upper city was important to Wyll and Karlach. The two characters whose stories feel cut short and shafted :// I hope for a definitive edition to add back cut content.

[@sombodi200]

Fuck that shit! This a fantasy game, if we want a happy ending we can get it. Get that "That's how it is" out of here. There were a thousand in-universe ways to fix Karlach including the literally god of death sitting in your camp. Larion just wanted cheap pain for the playerbase.

[@mikesnapper9001]

dribbles is the worst for sure, you get no quest markers so you have to just explore every inch of the map, you have to find a crapton of bodyparts and the reward is terrible

[@jotun5383]

Just do the Orin quest - basically every Orin victim has one part of Dribbles on their corpse.

[@Walthanar]

LOL THE REWARD IS THE SINGLE MOST POWERFUL ITEM FOR ANY BLASTER BUILD, ALMOST DOUBLING YOUR DAMAGE OUTPUT BUT OK

[@courier6960]

@@Walthanar But you can literally get it for free by just pickpocketing or even killing the NPC, and by the time you collect all the body parts you’ll likely already be level 12, so it is incredibly pointless to go through the actual quest to get this item

[@zeta7920]

Honestly, it feels like Larian did everything they could to discourage a fully evil run (i.e., one that includes raiding the grove and helping kidnap Isobel) without fully railroading players away from it. There are viable ways to be not entirely good or be an antihero of sorts, but being completely evil is punished incredibly hard for virtually no reward and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

[@i3lackfusion]

I mean, the durge is a thing

[@brittanysheets8782]

@@i3lackfusion yeah and evil durge run is punished as well. god forbid you accept bhaal and become the absolute. no epilogue for you, nuh-uh

[@anna-flora999]

​@@brittanysheets8782 what epilogue could there be, though?

[@TheLeviathan1293]

I'd say you can be very evil, just save things for the right moment. You can save the grove and then kill all the druids (which usually happens to me because I want the idol of Silvanus). You knock Alfira out to keep her from dying before act 2. Then you rescue Lakrissa and the gnomes and once they're all there and reward you (Potent Robe) you kill Isobel. The only real issue I have with that is not getting the "Legacy of the Masters" in act 3. Which means if I'm going with a physical unit it's a bad loss. But with a sorcerer or something like that you're still ok. Also even if you refuse Bhaal as the Durge you can still be evil. In fact, the Durge is a very vicious person even without the Urge influence. If you choose the right dialogue questions after refusing Bhaal you get a creepy note from the narrator telling you all the evil you do from then on will be for yourself and not for Bhaal. There are other similar situations revealing you can still be a piece of crap if you want and it's compatible with the lore. Then you can go for the epilogue to find an empty camp with no allies and have an attempt to kill Withers with "Atrophy". The fitting end of the one who just wants to kill by themselves and for themselves. Even the Absolute, the Dead Three and their predecessor will be just one of your victims.

[@sunbleachedangel]

Yeah, but the game is huge enough and making it twice as huge for a whole evil path seems like an insane undertaking

[@alexandergriffith1825]

It makes sense as to why Wyll and Karlach feel so unpolished in regards to their story when you discover they were after thoughts in development of BG3.

[@tyger389]

Another quest worthy of a black mark is the eagles' nest on top of the monastery. You kill several eagles to evict them from an eagle-sized nest to give the nest to a much smaller bird, and the reward is a chest you could always dig up anyway.

[@neodontknow1353]

Yo fuck them eagles those bitches killed Astarion like 5 times in my first playthrough 💀

[@dyamonde9555]

Same with the Frog in the Hag Swamp, he also shows you to a reward you can easily find before ever meeting the Frog.

[@chillax319]

I just bully that lil bird out of it's new nest and don't bother with attacking the eagles. I only talk to them while passing by and that's it.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

... there's a thing you get for clearing out the eagles besides the Blood of Lathander? Interesting. I didn't know there were additional extra rewards on top of an end-game weapon.

[@dyamonde9555]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 that's the thing, it isn't really an extra reward. Chances are you already found the stash just by walking past it on the way down the mountain. It's just a regular Survival Check Buried Stash.

[@espielawson2236]

If you can worm Wyll out of his contract with Mizora before going to the iron throne, you'll find Wyll's dad and can save him! Definitely very rewarding. Wyll deserves nice things.

[@callmeraeak]

If you sell Wyll to Mizora for the rest of eternity, Mizora will personally rescue his dad as well so... That's an option.

[@ulfnarverud1661]

I did a bit of experimenting with Oskar's painting and discovered that he always paints whichever companion is closest to you when you tell him to go ahead with the painting. So if you want a painting of yourself you must let one of the companions do the talking and make sure you¨re the closest one to that companion. I don't think this was intended but is simply a very banal mistake by the person writing the script. They could have made the whole thing more interesting by letting you talk him into painting a nude of yourself instead and then be able to sell that for a fortune to someone! XD

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Ohh really is that what the trigger is? That is interesting. I didn't realize it. I was just like why the hell did Astarion talk to her and I got minthara? Even worse is sometimes you start the dialogue, and ur companions were still walking and can go closer when you're in the cutscene. Good testing to find that.

[@camerillas]

no matter how evil my OC is, I'm always side with Tiflings. All because of Dammon and his shop.

[@ingakozuruba9145]

Logistics matter the most when you are in a war. :3

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Act 1 is a solid 11 hours if you wipe out the grove. My current playthrough is at 27 hours and hasn't yet entered the Creche, because I saved the grove.

[@WalterWild-uu1td]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 Why would anyone with a pinch of soul want to wipe out the Grove? Even if you really are aiming for "the most evil character ever," taking out the Grove takes away about half of your companions and rips the guts out of your game options...in the 1st Act!

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@WalterWild-uu1td Nothing you said is even remotely relevant to anything I said.

[@Trethan3266]

Shocked that there is supposed to be a Gondian Steelwatcher. That said, you CAN be nice to the Gondians and get the iron hands, if you put Barcus in charge of them. Not that it’s worth it, the Gondians blow. I like saving the ones in the depths, but the ones in the foundry are morons.

[@jessblues848]

I didn't know the gauntlet of shar was hated, I loved it. #1 should be saving the artist, it is so frustrating mechanically

[@ProxyGateTactician]

If you just fly from outside it’s insanely easy but for experience I Intentionally tried walking through the building and I can see why it is bad

[@jessblues848]

I'm definitely doing that on my next playthrough (if I don't kill him first!). The enemies inside are just so tedious to kill and the way to disable them is not at all evident. It's a shame, because the mystery of the quest was so interesting

[@frenchtantan]

SAME, the Gauntlet was challenging, but not frustrating for me. The walking on darkness answer is literally drawn on the floor when you start. The whole stealth mission is done with an invisibility spell/potion, and the fight with yourself, you don't need to actually do that, the debuff for having someone else kill a duplicate can be easily removed.

[@catgirluwu752]

Biggest problem for me was that you cant use him as slave after literally buying him. He just runs away and if I try to knock him down to stop it, everyone around gets aggroed for me damaging MY OWN property :(

[@mmsL125]

The only flaw in the game is I can’t tell wulbren I threw his boyfriend off a windmill

[@davidhorn8004]

That's a serious mistake. Barcus makes the Last Light a Triple Play for important vendors. Plus there's that whole final battle thing. Your play-thru may vary...

[@catgirluwu752]

@@davidhorn8004 one more enemy after killing Isobella you mean?

[@davidhorn8004]

@@catgirluwu752 "Yes, living in the future *IS* a little like having bees live inside your head, but... there they are."

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@davidhorn8004 My first completed playthrough ended up making it to the final battle with my only allies being Dame Aylin and Astarion's minions. It was fairly difficult to succeed in the end.

[@garrytalaroc]

are you kidding. I love some of these quest. i dont really mind the underwhelming rewards. what I seek is the experience I get from them. Some are funny and thrilling. iron throne quest was an underwater adventure, it was really fun and Id like to play it again.

[@LibertyRapsher]

The save the artist quest was horrible from any angle. First you pay 600 gold for some stranger at a time in the game where gold still means something only for the prick to come back later, which requires you to navigate through a house with time stealing poltergeists in turn based mode in which the final one could play hide and seek for a while. By the time you free the artist you best be getting the sword of colossal whoop arse or the amulet of infinite health, but a painting. Mine was just a shadow. That one was so bad I'm pretty sure it was Larian trolling us. The poltergeist house pissed me off. It highlights how painfully inn-efficient the games turn based design is and it just so happens that the polterguists take longer than any other character in the game to act. Also any battle where a lot of enemies are placed at upward angles against you. You don't get to do that unless you design better controls that allow the player to easily access those angles. And of course the final march to the netherbrain ends up being just that. But you are correct about some things, such as the Shar quest, which I thought was fun and is so easy on a second playthrough.

[@bunnyboygamille]

​@@LibertyRapsher my rogue bullied the merchant into allowing him to pay zero gold for that man... then insulted the artist by telling him exactly how much we didn't spend on him 😂

[@eliotgierat9462]

"worst quests" doesn't imply that they're awful, just the worst of the quests available in BG3

[@MargaManterola]

As I said in a reply, I'm surprised Ansur isn't in the list. I felt completely tricked after having been promised a dragon... It was a not very interesting fight, the reward can be collected without fighting, and the main plot point that you discover (that the emperor is Balduran) is almost absent from dialogue afterwards, I thought it was going to be a much bigger deal. I'm not sure if it's my least favorite, but definitely top 3.

[@bumblerbree]

plus the emperor being balduran is unnecessarily confusing for his character and the city as a whole, i honestly forgot he was balduran until this comment because it's such an underdeveloped plot point

[@Name-oy2dl]

That quest was ridiculously glitchy for me too. So frustrating

[@Trethan3266]

Only 1:31? When I did the stupid “save the painter” quest, the poltergeists bugged out and EACH TOOK TWO MINUTES TO TAKE THEIR TURN. SOMETIMES THEY WOULDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING ON THEIR TURN. So yeah that one easily makes the top of my list, didn’t even finish it on my first playthrough and I never will. Oskar gets blown up in the Zhentarim hideout now, every single time. He’s more evil than the netherbrain if you ask me.

[@thx1138tab]

Exactly. Worst of the worst for me as well.

[@kable_t.v.]

I love the bitter sweet return to the Hells with either Wyll or your PC. It's a beautiful cutscene and great character moment for Karlach.

[@callmeraeak]

One of my characters had been dating Gale but Gale refused to give up the possibility of godhood for my character so I went to hell with Karlach. Gale can have his divinity. I'll take my fiery new girlfriend and our epic quest to save her life any day.

[@WalterWild-uu1td]

And you get to share a cigar with a kickass loveboat. Her last line makes it clear she's not exactly unhappy. "And this time...I'm not alone." With a really cute little smile. She's gonna be okay.

[@angelstarlight6030]

So I'm guessing you didn't save Barcus because if you do the Gondians and iron hand gnomes can make peace, Barcus basically becomes the new ruler of the iron hand and evicts wulbren from the iron hands

[@creativename2567]

Fighthing against my own strong clones is always fun, it will be the last actual engaging fight for the rest of the playthrough. Everything else will die before I even finish casting my buffs.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I really enjoyed that part the first time, but the rest of the trials were annoying the first playthrough for me.

[@korakys]

The other day I sent in Shadowheart against herself and the challenge felt like it was probably intended to be done that way, it was quick and fairly easy.

[@HarryPujols]

The reward is also not too shaby, that ring is useful. The dark walk puzzle however sucks.

[@wawho9645]

@@korakysI agree, is even easier if you have her unequip everything before initiating the trial since shadow being mirrors her equipped items-sneak in, re-equip best items and surprise the would-be ambusher, who has no weapons or armor 👍

[@slayerdwarfify]

​@@HarryPujols Just misty step over. I've completed it 4 times by doing that, no problem

[@HalfBreadChaos]

Find the Mushroom Picker. Not because the item rewards are bad or anything, just the moral implications and results of interacting with the quest... Either you blow up Baelen (nice job?) you save Baelen, and he gets to be abused by his wife again (y.. yay?) or you feed him the noblestalk and *he* gets to abuse his wife again (oh no) You might argue giving Baelen the noblestalk is the 'good' outcome because she leaves him under the cover of night but like... not really?? She has no source of income and her abuser is still out there somewhere, he could find her and resume his abuse at any moment. What's worse is, there are all these cats in Act 3 that only serve to give some small semblance of closure to this plot, and only in the event you give the mushroom to Baelen... I wish Larian didn't have an entire questline trying to "both sides" an abusive relationship... it really undermines that actual dynamics and struggles of real abusive relationships... I have seen so many people going 'why don't you just leave her/him' not understanding how or why people find themselves in these places, and this game could have taken the opportunity to shine a light on a rarely discussed issue, but through a fictional framing that makes it more approachable... just like it did for Astarion's questline.

[@ultrakitten674]

the part that was annoying with that quest is no one was in the right. he was an abusive jerk, and she poisoned him and kept him that way for years.. rather just keep the noble stalk for myself (bonus if you are Durge and eat it as well)

[@wawho9645]

Interesting point, hadn’t considered Derryth as an abuser herself-thought lobotomizing the man that had abused her for 70 years was justice served. One playthrough gave noble stalk to Shadowheart, another Durge used on self, other times just let her have so she has a well-stocked supply of potions and ingredients in Act 3

[@davidhorn8004]

Neither Baelen nor Derryth are nice people. I consider it a good thing if Baelen dies of a spore overdose, but he's not getting his scrolls back. Nor is he getting the noblestalk. It's far too valuable to waste on restoring some yutz's memories. Give to Derryth, assuming you intend to play Act III, then go buy a couple-three of the best healing item in the game from her - after any level-up or long rest. Logistically, there is no other option. If you want to wander down memory lane, save, sample, restore. You're welcome.

[@Ian-hm4ld]

Karlach's story is great as it is, she is a metaphor for a person with a terminal illness. They want to die peacefully but they will do the chemotherapy treatment if you really insist. By accepting treatment they are willing to go through hell, not for them, but they'll do it for you.

[@Achaemus]

I get that, but in this case, karlachs chemo is magic, the solution to her problem absolutely exists within the game world, but the devs didnt put it in their game. Basically, its telling the player in a game where choices matter, that their choice doesnt matter.

[@kharnthebetrayer8251]

Theres even a legitimate solution in game thats just never mentioned You can get a Scroll of True Ressurection. Which magically re-creates a persons body, so you can revive a desd person from a single fingernail. You could easilly get the scroll. Kill Karlach. Cut off a hand or something, cast the spell on the hand, and she'd be reurned to life with her original heart back

[@Ian-hm4ld]

@@kharnthebetrayer8251 that is a 9th level spell. There are no spells above level 6 in the game. Plus, you need a diamond worth 25000 gp as a material component, which is supposed to be an extreme rarity and it is fair it doesn't exist in the game.

[@Ian-hm4ld]

@@Achaemus what is the magic solution to her problem? She needs a heart. And there's some poetry in that because she is the most kindhearted person in the party. Any magic that can probably cure her, give her a new body or a heart is probably too advanced for the level cap of the game. Sure you can cast wish or something like that, but it's not that simple. And it is ok if a DM says high level magic isn't available in his campaign

[@kharnthebetrayer8251]

@Ian-hm4ld Gale has one that you can get in the game. It's either you get it as part of his personal quest in act 3, or you can get it by killing him, and following his automated image's instructions to bring him back. Can't remember which. But it is in the game

[@MrHGravity]

The worst quest easily for me was saving and finding Mol. Having a capable and charismatic character who seems to be struggling with a growing addiction to ambition would be fun enough. But having it be a child adds an extra layer to it. It built up and up and up with saving Mol's friend, then looming dread with Raphael, then finally seeing her kidnapped...only for a fart out ending where she's just chilling in the guild's lobby. "Oh hey, good to see you again, got big plans, friends? eh they'll be fine. k bye!" -Quest completed ...the fuck?

[@constantj2132]

I think the biggest reason in act 3 not to do some of the more tedious quests except once is because of that point you are not able to level any higher

[@davidhorn8004]

A truly excellent reason to grab the mod that raises the level ceiling to 20. Why do tedious quests for the underwhelming magic items in this version of D&D?

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

I've only completed the game once, and I didn't hit level 12 until literally the last encounter before the battle for baldur's gate.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@davidhorn8004 Leveling only actually makes you stronger in DnD (and BG3) through the additional abilities gained by those levels. Currently, modding can't add in those abilities or the higher leveled spells that almost every class needs to meaningfully gain from increasing the level cap.

[@kieranflaherty3316]

9:35 "All in exchange for one night with Minthara" I wasn't listening to the rest, RIP teiflings, man's gotta EAT

[@timmyman9677]

Do a Durge playthrough, she supports your evil all the way.

[@FecalMattur]

Man, I had an idea how Karlach's ending would go as far as choices my first playthrough, considering I'd romanced her, I thought I was going to be okay. During the docks sequence I had a few mini heartattacks that I had somehow been locked out and she was going to burn up in front of me. Thank the gods that wasn't the case. Look her ending isn't perfect. But after the amendment of the epilogue, it has a silver lining. It's up to your imagination how the forge heist would go. More importantly, she's still alive and not alone. Avernus wasn't even her biggest fear. It was the loneliness and betrayal she faced. She makes a point to highlight those two things enough throughout the game in dialogue with her that they might as well be giant neon signs. She's willing to go with Wyll too if you didn't romance her. I have to imagine she's even more content being there with the person she loves if you do go. I know I plan to do it every single run, afterall Karlach is bae.

[@lrose5522]

My friend romanced Wyll in our playthrough, and both him and Wyll were able to go to Avernus with Karlach. At first I was disappointed because my character was the one who built the bond with her (but I chose to have my character kill himself at the end haha), but I think PC + Wyll + Karlach to Avernus ending was really cute in a way! Especially with the added epilogue stuff

[@Sky-si1iv]

Finally, someone who understands Karlach! For her it does seem to be about the loneliness and the trust. That's why she's my favorite companion because I feel like she's a lot like me. I love her!

[@FecalMattur]

@@Sky-si1iv K-bae is my pookie bear lol. She's always in my party, rom'ed, and spoiled af in my runs. Somebody gets all the best gear, diamonds, beers, and stuffed animals we find lmao.

[@ingakozuruba9145]

If my players want to continue playing their characters after finishing the "Descent into Avernus" D&D campaign, then I will let them up with Wyll and Karlach to go after the forge for fixing her engine for good. :)

[@FecalMattur]

@@ingakozuruba9145 "Fuck yes!"

[@gii7851]

I completed the Gondian quest today and I gotta say, their AI was very good. I remember them constantly running into danger months ago but I feel like their AI must have been tweaked in recent patches because they made a good habit of Misty Stepping out of danger. One even pushed two of their paralyzed buddies out of a Steel Watcher explosion with Thunderwave. Well played..

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Yea they all get blur now and they spam misty steps they got way better than original release. I still took 4 tries to save every single one on explorer but I was using awful builds also. Most of my late game save files were from challenge runs where my chars are under leveled or something lol

[@zephyrprime]

I just played that and a gondian attacked a steel watcher that was already counting down to explosion thus causing it to explode immediately

[@edman9953]

Another thing about the explosive toys quest is that it is completely bugged. If you initiate combat, usually the people on the other floors of the building will be drawn in The problem with this is that most of the time, the characters fail to move, take actions, or do anything besides standing there for minutes at a time, only for the game to crash afterwards. I’ve personally tried to quietly eliminate them, or eliminate them all at once e, but there’s always a straggler or two who managed to not die quick enough. So yeah, not only is the quest apparently (and I say this because I literally can’t beat it) unrewarding, but it’s bugged to hell.

[@tobiasbayer4866]

That would explain why I for the life of me was not able to stealth that section. Had to resort to just blowing everything up after getting frustrated.

[@petergohan]

3/4 of the Shar trials can be cheesed. 1 - The Sneak one can be done before interacting with the statue and bleeding, just by lockpicking some doors/disarming some traps, just have one party member wait inside right in front of the prize, start the trial and go back to that companion to pick the gem, takes like 3 sec. 2 - The Copies trial can also be cheesed by unnequiping everything in your party before bleeding to the statue, right after you can equip every piece again, and now you have a fight where the enemies are naked and you have your nice gear. hehehe 3 - The Pathway trial is cheesed by just standing at the right corner to where the bleeding offer is, and just click on the other side. For some reason this straight line goes perfectly and you can finish it like it was nothing. Havent noticed any cheese for the Libray part, tho, might have to ask those Mice around the temple.

[@lexicron]

Was about to say this too! To add to the 2nd one (Copies trial), I've also heard you can send everyone else back to camp and just have one player do the trial. Makes the fight go just a bit quicker with one KO hit!

[@My_Master_Waves]

I had no problem with any of those challenges AND I don't know what I did right but I could just see the invisible pathway so it's wasn't even a trial for me.

[@wiewioragaming5726]

it doesn't matter if you can cheese them... the problem is it takes a lot of time and is super boring. They are not difficult per se, they are just tedious.Especially on your third or fourth playthrough in a questline that is obligatory

[@von_max]

Save the Gondians isn't too bad. It intersects with other quests like Disable the Steelwatch, etc. so you're not solely focused on it and the loot you get along way is pretty good.

[@grubbygeorge2117]

I won't stand by the attacking the grove hate. Your companions' discomfort during the goblin party is the true reward.

[@loknaz97]

How did oscar make it to the city? Who knows

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I never thought of that but now I want to know

[@Shayoni]

Mayrina too. How did she make it there?

[@xenosaga8436]

I never had any trouble with the invisible path trial in the gauntlet of Shar. I was so paranoid about being in the dark in Act 2 that I constantly had a daylight spell cast on everyone's weapons. You can see the path if you have light.

[@velzoya]

I remember being really annoyed with "Stop the Presses". When you accept it, you have to complete it before a long rest otherwise it's failed and you get bad reputation in Baldur's Gate, and I also thought its gameplay was very frustrating. I don't even remember if there's a reward! It seems like your character is better off never starting the quest altogether, in my opinion (I played it soon after release so maybe Larian patched it since).

[@laurenturner3172]

I'd rank Free The Artist as my top worst quest

[@jhfh3112]

I think the challenge and idea behind the Iron Throne quest is pretty good. Like in good DnD, not every encounter should be about wiping the floor with enemies in the same way you always do. Even on the higher difficulties it's perfectly possible to release all the prisoners in time with good use of haste, fly, potions, and movement-boosting items. That tells me it's pretty well balanced. But like in the foundry, the big problem is with the gondians themselves who will randomly decide to not run to the ladder, often just stodd waiting for the sahuagin to kill them or even running PAST the ladder to get out. Like a lot of act 3 it's a really good idea let down by janky performance.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I had it happen once where one of them ended turn at the ladder so no one else could use it causing the rest of the gondians to all run the wrong way and then not escape in time

[@pierredupont1000]

Sincerely I had no problem with Karlach's ending, I just didn't like the fact that you basically only need to find two pieces of infernal iron to advance her quest and nothing more. Beside that, I think it's pretty realistic that you cannot save or fix everyone: Karlach had only two options, die or getting back to Avernus, and the fact that she can go back there with a friend - or a lover - is a "bittersweet" ending that I think totally works with her. It would have been so predictable to simply and conveniently find a way to fix her heart.

[@ozpin8329]

7:26 I would *kill* to only have to wait a minute and a half to wait between turns at the actual -table-, but it's so damned tedious in a video game.

[@ProxyGateTactician]

lol you're right but at least at a table you're chatting with friends and enjoying ur friends rolls instead of waiting for a computer to just do it

[@ingakozuruba9145]

We have small hourglasses with a minute of time for our D&D fights to make combat go faster - one minute maximum for tactical discussion of the new round, then max 1 minute for every player to make their moves. Fortunately, I have it easy with playing a Warlock. :D

[@VramsGamingChannel]

I'm so glad you mentioned the Raid the Grove quest as the dog poo that it is. I played it last night and forgot that Minthara turns on you if you don't sleep with her, and ended up killing her, thus making the quest useless, punishing myself for no reason and like you said, locking me out of future quests. It's such a bad quest, and worse, it's written poorly. You mention Dribbles the Clown needing a guide but I feel like Minthara being your ally needs a quide too because canonically there is no reasonable way to assume anyone would EVER ally with her. Even roleplaying, it's hard to justify making such a person your companion.

[@mikeevers9079]

I enjoyed the Gondians mission. The underwater prison was totally memorable and I relished the fights where you needed to disable the devices which made their collars explode.

[@DrFoggyPants]

Freed Oscar once during my first playthrough. He's mysteriously died in every subsequent playthrough

[@Abimin100]

I did Oskar quest once, totally not worth it, since then the guy dies where I find him and once I make it to the city I tell Jannath that he escaped to avoid marrying her, girl deserved better.

[@Piggyrocket]

Chicken chasing? What chicken? That's called an owlbear!

[@d20plusmodifier]

Fireworks quest design is so broken for me that I've never done it correctly. The first encounter when you enter act 3 is to fight the toymaker's thugs and he is immediately worried you'll look in his basement. That basically puts you in the 2nd part of the quest by default.

[@notveryartificial4486]

If you saved Barcus Rut - he offers a peaceful resolution of the conflict between gondians and ironhands. So once someone figures out how to fix steelwatch ally and make him show up in summon menu - it's gonna be a good thing to have both on your side But for now just kill gondians, kill their leader, speak with his corpse to find out the password, and blow up the foundry with it, saving a rare and expensive rune powder bomb for something more worthwhile - like Raphael's soul pillars, for example

[@mtsmcr]

i have to disagree with criticisms of karlach’s story. it’s a devastating ending but that’s the point, it’s a brilliantly executed tragedy. sometimes, the people who most deserve it don’t get an happy ending. her breakdown after you defeat gortash is one of the most memorable parts of the game for me, absolutely heartbreaking but narratively outstanding. it’s super valid to be sad that she doesn’t get a happy ending, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a well executed one.

[@brittahasnofilter]

I don’t know, the thing is that her heart even being halfway fixed is very tenuous (relies on Dammon surviving TWICE), so a decent amount of people are getting that tragedy. All the companions have a tragic ending option, (plus they can just straight up die), so it feels like a real success to get them to the end and give them all their happy endings. If Karlach’s quest required saving the Gondians to fully repair her heart, it would be by far the hardest happy ending to get anyway. I don’t think people are in the wrong for being upset that there’s no way to keep Karlach, party darling, safe and happy at the end.

[@archiveacc3248]

You can't see why people are upset about a railroaded outcome in a game literally based from the ground up on player choices? It really just feels like the writers dictating an outcome to nicely wrap up their sob story. Doubly so when you know that ways to fix her engine exist in the dnd lore. Triply so when you know that she was a late add in development and likely didn't get the amount of time spent on other characters.

[@DragonSageSequi]

I agree with 9 of these whole-heartedly, but... Karlach's quest I have to disagree with. It's nice world building and dark story. Karlach's ending to me is still happy. She doesn't need to fight in avernus after the end of the quest, at least not in the blood war. Just against those that want her back. Not to mention, the ending where she dies? She's happy and fulfilled. Probably in an afterlife that isn't the hells for her sacrifice. A bitter sweet ending that left me with a teary smile. There's too many stories out there where the happy ending is always just perfect, not enough bittersweet story lines. I commend BG3 for stepping out there with a story that's not completely out of control to steer for a happy ending, but has circumstances with actual weight that leave you feeling things long after the story is done for a long time.

[@SomeBody08150]

I fully agree. Her death as the default ending to her quest was great and one of the biggest emotional Moments you can have on a first playthrough. It would be a straight Up downgrade to get a Happy ending for it.

[@Than211]

If you play Karlach as your main origin character, you'll realize that she's not at all satisfied, she wanted to continue living and is mad at the world for the hand she was dealt, even to the bitter end. How could anyone be happy with that life? Being forced to fight in the hells for 10 years, finally escaping only to find out that you're going to die no matter what choice you make? Her ending was no where near bittersweet, it was just sad, through and through - no different than a child who never got to live.

[@skandre7776]

The critique is about the limited ways (lack thereof really) of exploring the options to fix her predicament, not general story and background. Game teases players with connections and possible resolutions with Gondians but doesnt even allow to interact with them in any way. Suddenly your party and Karlach herself forgets that Gondians probably have all the tools and knowledge from building the fricking Steelwatchers of infernal iron. This is big fat middle finger towards the players. Her Avernus ending is acceptable yes, she's not imprisoned anymore, finds people who value her life more than she ever could and can look forward for fixes inside Avernus. But suicide ending being happy? This is one of the biggest bollocks i've ever seen. Imagine your whole adult life being imprisoned in neverending war, suffering it completely alone to the point of making your life lose any purpose. By sheer luck u escape it and travel with likeminded tadpoled people to save the world from Grand Design, only to realise that despite giving all you could your "friends" dont bother figthing for your fate and you're doomed to that purposeless infernal life... She's so "happy" in the afterlife that she doesnt want to atttend Withers' party, i wonder why?... This is just depressingly sad, how can someone call it bitter sweet is beyond me. The issue with tragic or bad endings is that they need to fit the context. BG3 is a role playing game based on high fantasy DnD, not a Cyberpunk or other dystopian genre. RPGs and DnD campaigns are about trying multitude ways to reach the resolution. It doesnt always needs to be perfect ending, it can be done with obstructions or limitations, but not having really chance to explore different options and being doomed from the start is straight from war time drammas and its the antithesis of RPGs.

[@Sky-si1iv]

@@Than211 I agree. Karlach literally just spent 10 years in Avernus... to escape, potentially find love, and then die? Hell no! She deserves so much better! It's not bittersweet, there is no sweetness in the best character dying after suffering so much, and getting just a taste of life.

[@irequestabuff8484]

If you save Barcus in Act 1 and side with the Gondians in Act 3, you can have the Ironhand Gnomes as an ally for the final fight

[@ProxyGateTactician]

Right but it’s extra work for the same outcome which feels weird

[@Peusterokos1]

to be fair, the Gondians aren't at all worth it as allies. I expected them to be chucking smokebomb grenades all over the place but instead they do the amazing idea of running up to something in melee range to attempt a ranged attack joking aside, they are not at all worth the allies though the iron throne is absolutely memorable

[@__kathrin__]

Barcus always dies in Grymforge for me. It's so infuriating!

[@LibertyRapsher]

Another thing that sucks is there are multiple ways of missing out on Zevlor, Halsin, Dammon, Mol, Arabella etc, besides raiding the Grove. Many players including myself assumed the game to be an open world kinda game, not a time quest, where if you fail a time quest early on it locks you out of a huge chunk of the game later on (I'm on board with choices leading to different present and future outcomes, but taking a decent portion of late game things based on early game decisions is frustrating). As a result people like myself start seeking online playthroughs/cheats because we don't want to miss out on huge chunks of the game in the future or if we replay the Grove/Goblin Camp portion we don't want to make a choice that removes large portions of the game later. and there are multiple ways you can lock yourself out even when you think you're taking all precautions. It won't put tree branches over the grove, but it will lock you out of the Grove characters going forward. On a most recent playthrough I decided to take the helping Kaghda to see the errors of her ways path, which worked in that regard, but locks you out of the Tiefling characters going forward. On a first playthrough this made me paranoid going forward. Any difficult decision would cause me to look it up online and or feel less free or confident about roaming around and letting the game happen naturally

[@DestroyerOfSouls213]

None of the quests are timed as far as I’ve seen, they do skip some parts or all of some of you go to certain areas though, like if you go to the Mountain Pass before saving them, the grove will get locked. But the Tieflings won’t leave until you have killed the goblin leaders, I’ve done the Kagha redemption like 3 times, if you tell Zevlor he thanks you for giving them more time, and asks you to take care of the goblins. You need to do kagha’s quest before killing the goblins. tldr: you can take as much time as you want, as long as you don’t go to far ahead of where the game expects you to be. Not intuitive to some, but not timed

[@tobiasbayer4866]

The problem is that the game is very good at faking urgency. In reality you can take all the time you want, only advancing certain main story quests or progressing into different zones (although there will be a warning for that) will lock you out of stuff. But when you first play you are very motivated to press on with the main quest, when in reality you should do those last after exploring everything else.

[@DestroyerOfSouls213]

@@tobiasbayer4866 The main quest only felt urgent to me up until the first meeting with the dream guardian, who effectively tells you that you won’t turn while they’re around. What this meant to me was that I didn’t have to worry about time. Then again I’ve played a lot of rpgs, so maybe I just have a good feel for these things. Generally unless the game gives you an actual timer number, there is no actual urgency, regardless of what characters say, has been my experience.

[@tobiasbayer4866]

@@DestroyerOfSouls213 The tadpole is the obvious thing, but I dont just mean that. Basically every main story quest does this. Helping the grove and promising to get rid of the goblins? Yeah, lets do that right away. Being tasked with infiltrating moonrise? Right away. The only thing where that isnt really the case is act 3 because getting to wyrm keep and finding Orin isnt straightforward and requires a bit of exploration. Basically what Im trying to saying is that the main story threads are laid out in such a way that you want to see what happens next immediately, and most of the time you are able to, but when you just follow the main story you miss out on a bunch of stuff, so you kinda have to take the indirect path If you want to explore everything. The whole story just flows so smoothly together that messing around with side missions messes up the pacing a bit imo.

[@afish4086]

Karlach and Wyll are arguably the only origin characters with "good" alignments (the others being neutral or evil). It's frustratingly ironic that the only happy endings they get involve ending up in Hell. I think Larian writers enjoy irony like that tbh

[@minecraftmechanic1]

I’m really surprised the trials of shar was on here. I honestly didn’t find any of the trials to be overly difficult and actually had a good time doing them

[@explodingDuckie]

i wanted to play the game as if im roleplaying to try to enjoy it like other people do, but i quickly realized i'm very reward motivated, so i can't truly roleplay, and i feel like this video validated a lot of my feelings lmao

[@theworksproject13]

“All for one night with minthara” worth it tho

[@andyl7677]

I've streamlined the gauntlet. For the stealth one take an invisibility potion and keep to the right. For the self-same trial take off all your equipment before activating the statue. Got that idea from the mimic boss in elden ring.

[@Dutchbrother07]

I have also streamlined the gauntlet of shar. I use knock on the door and boom, no trials necessary

[@gildeddrake1479]

@@Dutchbrother07 you don't even have to take the elevator if you know the right place to make a feather fall jump.

[@andyl7677]

@@Dutchbrother07 Yeah but XP

[@Dutchbrother07]

@@andyl7677 true if you’re confident in it. I do everything I can except certain things and you can get pretty overleveled

[@Baked_bean571]

If you go in alone to the self-same, its much easier

[@TheSleepyGoblin]

The "Save the Gondains" quest has another solution. Make sure Barcus stays alive, in act 3 he understands that Wulbren is extremely violent and asks you to talk Wulbren out of using the nuke on the foundry. Discussing with Wulbren about saving the Gondians instead of having them die in the crossfire, makes Barcus happy and Wulbren seems to agree to it. After saving the Gondians (unsure if all of them has to survive, I make sure they always do) Wulbren will talk about murdering the Gondians, blinded by his hate, Barcus steps in and expresses his feelings and his disappointment. This is the interesting part, if you convince Barcus to become leader of the Ironhands (considering Wulbren is violent, makes decisions fueled by hate and refuses to find a peaceful solution) and succeed, the Ironhands are happy to follow Barcus who wants to show mercy (he also displays a better personality for a leader), Wulbren gets exiled and Barcus offers his help in the final fight. So, there is a way to get help from the ironhands without discarding the Gondians, additionally you help Barcus become leader, which will lead the Ironhands much better than what Wulbren did. Saving the Gondians are difficult, but one of the most interesting quests in act 3 (in my opinion).

[@gNetkamiko]

To the bit about the "free the artist" quest: Not only was it annoying in the ways that you listed, but also aggravating for me because so damn much was going on that it crashed my game 3 times. Had to kill those skulls just to make it stable.

[@fynn8090]

Lol Gauntlet quests are so easy. Use invis for the stealth check, the labyrinth is imprinted on the ground to check how to pass it 😂. And the quest against the mirror-enemys is easily passed by entering the room naked 🙈

[@barelyontime]

People who hate the karlach story are such babies. Not everyone gets to be happy forever

[@SirPawsies]

The worst quest is Shadowheart 's just cuz the fight at the end of it encompasses everything that can go wrong with the game's combat

[@jah5391]

Don't you have to do the same self trial to get Killer's Sweetheart?

[@alnoso]

you do, but it's not that big of a deal. it's cool to get a guaranteed crit but if you're doing a crit based build you'll be getting plenty of em. i'd rather have the risky ring tbh

[@brendagalvaomartinsnunes4440]

I think my biggest problem with the save the gondians quest is that they were just so freaking bad at surviving. Like after I had cleared the path to the staircase in the underwater prison, all this NPC needed to do was walk. Just....walk and go up the stairs. But no.... of course he didn't do that, so he died

[@jklroxmysox111]

lol “1.5 min between turns is too long”. I mean yeah, it’s a video game I get it. But in actual D&D you can easily go like half an hour between your turns

[@ProxyGateTactician]

I know lol I did dnd with my irl friends and 5 people had never played. One battle I remember taking nearly 3 hours and then they all quit the next week. I blame the DM for it though

[@sovyenn]

That's an issue with dnd tho, some people actually dislike it but also when you play with friends that 30 min can feel like 30s so it's different. When in bg3 your turns take like 30s and enemies take 3x more time you're spending only 1/4 of the battle doing anything other than staring at npcs and irl dnd with friends time outside of your turn can actually be fun

[@cat-ara5249]

The iron throne is actually one of my favorite quests in the game. So weird that they cut the reward though! That would have been cool. I also definitely think the Gondians would have the skills and info required to fix Karlach’s engine… Or even if we had the option to ally with Gortash with the condition that he fix Karlach’s heart (which surely she would be VERY conflicted about). Some missed potential there (although the game is already MASSIVE so like. I get it)

[@nangminbl]

Saving the artist is definitely the top of my list.

[@uncreativeperson8497]

Guiding the chicken being so difficult is a reference to real life where it is also extremely tedious to get chickens to move how you want them to