The 1918 Pandemic Never Ended

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The 1918 pandemic infected over 500 million people, but the virus that caused it didn't stop in 1918.
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[@Dontlicktheballoons]

My great grandmother would tell us stories about when the 1918 flu hit Virginia when she was a little girl. No one in our immediate family passed away from it but almost the entire town was bed ridden at 1 point or another. Neighbors would slide meals in through the windows of the sick people's houses, only to then have those neighbors get well and return the favor days or weeks later. She would tell us stories of being only 5 years old but being the only one well enough to go retrieve water from the outdoor well and bring it in one ladlefull at a time.

[@lohphat]

The odds were that every family least at least one member. It was so virulent, that if you had symptoms in the morning, you were dead by the same evening if you were vulnerable. It was the "cytokine storm" from the immune system which filled the victim's lungs quickly and they essentially drowned to death.

[@animatrix1851]

this is basically how covid was where i'm at

[@NecrochildK]

I love your story. XD Though I'm left wondering why she didn't use a bucket, bowl or pitcher to fill at the well and bring in instead of going back and forth so much with just a ladle.

[@ericajohnson3504]

@@NecrochildK I guess that as she was only 5 , a ladle would be the only thing she could carry without spilling the water, or that she couldn't carry anything heavier.

[@1IGG]

@@NecrochildK because water is heavy.

[@Evergreen64]

They knew in 1918 that they weren't dealing with any known bacteria. They had ways to filter out bacteria and they still retained the infectious agent. But it wasn't till the 1930's that the first electron microscope was developed that they were able to see the first virus.

[@jackprier7727]

Such things later named "virus" were called "filterable elements" because they would pass through a porcelain filter (!!) and still cause disease-

[@jhoughjr1]

pretty sure they knew of viruses before electron microscopes. The Russians were using page therapy before Flemming in 1925

[@BrambleGlade]

thank you for the explanation! I had no idea viruses were seen so recently; crazy to think about how far medical knowledge has come in just the last 100 years...

[@ZachJ-0]

Imagine how terrifying it must've been to look down to such an absurdly small scale only to realize you are in fact surrounded

[@misanthropichumanist4782]

@@ZachJ-0 Yeah. Lovecraft in miniature! 😬

[@lynndonbarr3153]

I got sick from the 2009 h1n1 flu. I remember that the day when I got sick also coincided with one of the hottest summer days that year, so I was already dehydrated from being outside in the heat, and I wondered why I wasn't getting better after a day inside drinking fluids. Thankfully I was living with a roommate at the time, because I woke up in the hospital days later. I have momentary memories of waking up while they changed my IV fluids. Hands down the worst experience of my life. I genuinely thought I was going to die, and would have if not for my roommate calling an ambulance.

[@alyseandrews1066]

Me too! It was miserable!

[@paposeco06]

And so did I. To this day, the worst flu I ever got. Even worse than COVID in my opinion.

[@amberbydreamsart5467]

Y'know, I'd almost completely forgotten that I did get swine flu! I was in middle school at the time, I caught it from the last week of school vacation to the local theme park. I must've still had that early-flu-exposure child magic because it was utterly unimpressive for me - I had a fever and muscle ache the first day, but once I got some acetominaphin in to reduce the fever I felt like I had a mild cold for a week. I was mostly pissed because I came down with it the first day of summer break and my parents, being responsible adults, made me quarantine inside the whole time I was sick. I did play like 60 hours of FFXII that week though

[@Beaver550]

I got sick from H1N1 in February 2010 just as I turned 50 years old. It was miserable. I ended up with pneumonia in both lungs that almost did me in. I missed 6 weeks of work and was quite weak for months. My lungs have never been the same since. The experience taught me the value of getting vaccinated when they become available (which I had previously neglected to do).

[@adamhawn2523]

Drink more water bro

[@markmaurer6370]

My great-grandfather was an ambulance driver in WW1 and he caught the flu and while he was in the sanatorium his ambulance group was wiped out... The flu saved his life

[@peggedyourdad9560]

That wasn't luck, that was divine intervention.

[@borttorbbq2556]

@@peggedyourdad9560 yeah divine intervention from a crackpot.

[@borttorbbq2556]

That's bittersweet to say the least

[@thewafflehouse841]

Well it depends he probably got lucky from not dying from the flu well unless he got it before 1918 then he had a better chance of survival but after it for some odd reason it just became deadlier we don't know why best guess is it became deadlier from well the great war when it hit the trenches and men who were gassed and well the chemical warfare can cause severe mutigenic effects

[@borttorbbq2556]

@@thewafflehouse841 no not really. Was so dangerous out of the gate because one it was a highly virulent strain but to it is also a detail people forget is that when a virus jumps species generally speaking it is significantly more dangerous and then tapers off look at the covid stuff the symptoms and the severity has gone down even in unvaccinated individuals

[@_maxgray]

I nearly died during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and tons of my friends got really sick. It blows my mind that so many people seem to have forgotten it happened.

[@KNR90]

They didn't. After SARS and H1N1, people (stupid ones) began believing they were all over hyped and not a big deal because they never got sick and they didn't go full pandemic. These are the people who, when Covid hit, remembered that and thought the same thing was happening. That's why there were mass graves, because the stupid ones remembered not getting sick those times.

[@ethanstump]

It's partly because either a lot of people were too young for them to remember, or to old for it to really make an impact. I remember thats around the time I got my tonsils out, but I don't remember the exact details, as my memories of junior high were fuzzy, as I was going through health challenges and depression at the time. (Lol yeah, that's what happens when you get sick)

[@ethanstump]

Not to mention that when people bring up 2008, usually it's in reference to the crash. It really is crazy to me at how much economic crashes and outbreaks seem to go hand in hand both historically and today. From what I just looked up, it's mostly because while swine flu was far more infectious than regular flu, but it wasn't more deadly than regular flu season. This meant that people treated it more like a particularly bad flu season, rather than a separate event.

[@189Blake]

I remember it very clearly. I was 16 years old and Mexico City went into lockdown for 3 weeks. I remember watching the news and seeing the infections rise on TV, asking my mom if everything was going to be alright. For me COVID was a déjà vu from those times.

[@1IGG]

Dude, people already forgot millions dying of Covid. The human race isn't particularly smart.

[@kathyastrom1315]

In November 1918, my grandmother’s little sister Hazel died from the flu, just 18 months old. I recently got a stash of family photos from my father, and in it is a picture of two ~1 year old babies with the name “Hazel” on the back. I don’t know which of the two is her, but that just might be the only photo of her. Thinking about that gives me a bit of a shock when I consider the fleeting nature of our existence on this planet.

[@lucycarin]

As a kid mid 1950s, my mom inherited post cards from her uncle. The years from 1905-1930s. They also write of having a relative dying in 1919.

[@klimtkahlo]

@@lucycarin in Portugal there are cemeteries with entire families and their servants having all died during that period of pneumonic flu.

[@thewafflehouse841]

@@klimtkahlo yip the Spanish flu was utterly devastating were it would use your immune system against itself the stronger your immune system the worse off you are and many died from turning blue at this point at the time of the Spanish flue was a death sentence Edit turning blue means your system has launched a cytokine storm were the immune system launches literally anything and everything to kill the invader but commonly would result in the death or debilitating of the person afflicted

[@jamielonsdale3018]

Any chance she was the only one in the photo that wasnt slightly blurry? In 1918, it wasn't uncommon to take a photo with a family member whom had just passed. Often, that was the only time a family would have their photo taken. Cameras took much longer to take a photo, so you would have to hold a pose for an extended period of time. Often, a hidden rest would be used to help a person maintain the same pose without moving. For obvious reasons, the dead had no difficulty with staying still, and so they would be the only person who wasn't blurred slightly from very small movements during the film's exposure.

[@msjkramey]

@@jamielonsdale3018 that's so cool and a little creepy

[@Tempo_Topos]

My grandmother was a little girl during the 1918 flu pandemic. She said she only had two types of nightmare as a kid: about the flu and about the kaiser (the last emperor of Germany).

[@tomasparriles6440]

The kaiser? Why?

[@Braun09tv]

@@tomasparriles6440 because he was not a feminist?

[@ryanfarrelly4647]

@@tomasparriles6440 Maybe propoganda that caused her to fear Germans/Kaiser Wilhem II

[@Tempo_Topos]

@@tomasparriles6440 Because during World War I he was the most well known leader of the Central Powers, who were at war with the Allied Powers, which included the USA (my grandmother was American).

[@tomasparriles6440]

@@Tempo_Topos Thanks for explain that, i guess the fear comes from the papers.....

[@romxxii]

The saddest bit is not only did the pandemic stick around and become part of our new normal, but the blatant disregard for public safety was also quite common back then. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[@nahor88]

What blatant disregard today are you referring to? If anything, the reaction to Covid was WAY overblown. The way more practical solution was to ask high risk people to stay home and allow the world to continue operating as normal. The percentage of high risk to non-high risk was so infinitesimal. So many young small business owners had their lives tanked asking everyone to stay home. It should have been left completely up to the people to self-evaluate the level of risk for themselves. If you're a low risk person that could also spread it to someone high-risk that you interact with often, you should also stay home. I'm a young, healthy person. I caught Covid, I felt off for a week, and now have had 3 Covid shots. The only thing that happened was I lost 2 years of my youth thanks to the government taking away my free will. We allow people to get behind the wheel of a death machine every day, and put the lives of others at risk on their own decision making.

[@mattsmolinski595]

Element is Vegan friendly? You mean no pig intestine is in it. How could it be anything else. Key words to get you to buy.

[@evil1by1]

You say that as if there was any other outcome. How long exactly do you think humans can survive being locked down? Oh you mean an incomplete lock down where 80 percent of people have to work because they are essential.... yeah I'm sure no disease will spread there. Even if you did somehow perfectly lock down every person ... can you make the rest of globe do the same? Look at new Zealand. Sure they kept it out and locked down so hard it smothered any transient cases but the rest of the world didn't or couldn't. As soon as they opened up for any reason, in marched disease. Is your solution permanent isolation? Like when the us shut it borders except where it would be "racist" not to allow undocumented people to just waltz in. So I guess you think we can do the New Zealand thing while also having open borders and international travel so long as the travel is to or from brown nations. Because that's going to contain a disease how? That doesn't make any sense at all but ok. Ah the vaccine. The vaccine that doesn't stop transmission or reduce disease severity. That'll what some how stop the spread by not stopping the spread. Really aside from polio and small pox when exactly has vaccination eliminated disease? It doesn't. Im not saying don't get vaccines but in the context of a novel disease becoming a pandemic and then endemic vaccines dont really stop that. More than anything anymore vaccines mitigate symptoms more so than than stopping transmission. You know what else does that... time and exposure. Thats the natural evolutionary path of most viruses, they start bad and eventually turn into a variant thats much less harmful so it can spread widely without killing its host. Yes I'm aware the fear mongering are desperate to claim that the law of declining virulence isn't true keep only using covid 19 as an example despite it being less lethal now than at the onset. The only cases where it isnt true involve human interference and the viruses mutations to evade our interventions leading to worsening disease. Like it or not this was always the outcome of any pandemic and it was foolhardy to think we could actually put that genie back in the bottle.

[@davetaylor2088]

Great video. I have only had one influenza infection in my life. I was living by myself at the time. Every joint in my body hurt for days and the soles of my feet came off in one piece. I was so sick I couldn't get to the doctor and my employer got cranky because I didn't have a medical certificate to them within 48 hours of calling in sick. I went three days with only the water from the bathroom sink keeping me going. I didn't eat, smoke or defecate for that time and when I finally crawled out of bed and made myself my first coffee in four days the milk was off. On day five I was well enough to get to a doctor (although everything still hurt). He spent some time shouting at me for not calling an ambulance. I am not afraid of influenza but I certainly have a healthy respect for it. I gave the HR manager the soles of my feet in a plastic bag when I returned to work, along with a certificate that the doctor happily backdated. She seemed OK with that...

[@GrumpyOldFart2]

We’ll, that’s one way of convincing them that yeah, you were really sick. 😅

[@mamanoneyall51]

The soles of your feet..as a gift to the dark souls in HR...

[@grrrgrl101]

It’s sad that some people flippantly dismiss that others can get seriously I’ll, I’m glad you brought the soles of your feet in a bag because then they HAD to take you seriously!

[@mehere8038]

I've had the flu 3 times in my life, first one was the worst, when I was 10. I don't remember it well, but remember after I had recovered, my family then got sick & I got the day off school to care for them, calling the doctor to organise a housecall, cause my parents were incapable of getting out of bed to do anything. Doctor came, prescribed antibiotics for my Mum, since she also had bronchitis & I think some other meds as well, can't remember, but remember I had to ride my bike to the chemist to buy the meds, which was interesting, cause I had to ride straight past my school to do it. Was kinda fun running the house :) Eventually my grandparents were called in to help, but for the first couple of days, I was caring for myself & them, cooking, washing etc etc, plus my parents had their own business, so I was running that too (basically calling all the customers booked in & cancelling & recording an answering machine message saying they were sick & who to contact instead of them) My Mum was NEVER sick, so yeh, it was a bad one. Kinda annoys me when people say "I've got the flu" when they have a mild head cold. If you have the flu for real, you're not getting out of bed for a week! (well kinda out of bed after a couple of days, but certainly not back at work without passing out trying to get there)

[@carenrose6002]

Wait why did the soles of your feet come off? 😧 That's not a symptom of the flu I've ever heard about before but ... new fear unlocked

[@BrambleGlade]

my friend's grandmother got the 1918 flu and survived, but got so sick from it that she lost her entire head of hair-- it grew back eventually, but brittle and sparser, and never fully recovered.

[@fiberpoet6250]

Wow that’s wild a flu can do that

[@WohaliTheOneandOnly]

People are reporting that Covid makes their hair thin out for almost a year before it goes back to normal.

[@anyascelticcreations]

Mine has thinned a ton recently, too. I attributed it to medications or stress or thyroid issues. But I did have COVID twice. I've heard that can cause hair loss, too. Oddly enough, I had the h1n1 swine flu in 2009 and didn't loose any hair from that. Weird.

[@AnonymousanonymousA]

Pathogen -> biofilm -> thyroid conditions that were massive after the 1918 flu -> thinning hiar -> the popular rise if the short female hair cut if that time -> the famou entertainer thar popularized it being diagnosed with a Thyroid Condition -> the 1918 flu was affiliated with a staphylococcus aureus bacterial infection and was likely spread by the government (many people reportedly got sick on Cloudy Days, possible cloud seeding related?)?

[@dragoninthemoon7719]

My hair got crispy and has been since swine flu back around 2009. Sounds like dead weeds/grass and it keeps growing like that.

[@rossplendent]

Quick correction: at around 3:00, the animation zooms into an infected cell to show whole viruses being targeted by antibodies inside the cell. In reality, antibodies don't enter infected cells. They bind to antigens presented on the *outside* of the cell, which were brought there by the major histocompatibility complex (MHC). This is one of the main reasons SARS-CoV-2 is so tricky for our immune systems: once inside your cells, the virus quickly suppresses MHC expression, meaning antigens are hard to come by, and infected cells aren't easily recognized.

[@Darkmattermonkey77]

Just like chiropractors, pretending to be doctors.

[@bjornschafer8028]

Not to mention the Fc region binding to the antigen too 3:12 💀

[@mickeydangerez]

They also say humans didnt' know about viruses until 1930 lol

[@katybechnikova2821]

Isn't there a way to recognize and kill cells without MHC?

[@juliekorsbk4221]

And the virus still has its membrane inside this cell.

[@eacalvert]

One of the other theories that I've heard about it why it hit harder in young healthy adults is similar to an issue with COVID: the immune response was stronger, meaning more inflammation and mucus production, which made a lovely home for secondary infection. Extra Credits History did a great series on the this

[@DirkStarlight]

Ah yes cytokine storms

[@huldu]

Actually with covid it's the reverse. Older people die from covid while we younglings are pretty much unaffected/very mild flu. The miles may vary of course. Let's be real by now most of us have had covid at least 3-5 times.

[@eacalvert]

@@huldu you're right. I think I was thinking of the 2nf or 3rd variant that emerged ???? My brain does not want to brain lol

[@helentee9863]

I had exactly this type of flu 5 Christmases ago I produced so much mucus after the first 48 hours l couldn't breathe,so rang the out of hours doctor (111 in the uk) and they transferred me to the ambulance service. They said that they would send an ambulance,but it would take around 4 hours. Since l couldn't breathe my elderly father (also sick and in bed) took me to the hospital. There they did my (first ever) ECG and gave me a nebuliser till l felt a little better. Then the consultant tells me they need to rule out whether l've had a heart attack (women apparently don't always have chest pain)! The blood test ruled that out,so l go home with a steroid inhaler and antibiotics Yes, flu can be a killer More than a month to get over it +3 lots of antibiotics (and l'm a healthy non smoker with good cholesterol levels and no weight problems)

[@lee3171]

but covid didn't hit young healthy adults harder

[@seatbelttruck]

My college roommate caught swine flu in 09. They were very consciences about sanitizing and keeping airflow going in the dorm, and fortunately I didn't end up catching it. There were definitely a noticeable amount of flu cases going around campus that year, though not all of them were H1N1. I don't think my area had any "official" cases (my roommate was diagnosed in another state, but came back to school anyway because college).

[@JonMartinYXD]

Among the many things we have re-learned due to COVID-19, one is the importance of keeping the air clean in spaces where lots of humans are crammed in for hours at a time, eg. dorms and schools. We should be racing to retrofit schools with top notch air handling systems that can disinfect the air. High up-front cost, but since kids are so vulnerable to infection and so good at passing it on the benefits of reducing infection rates in schools would multiply in the general population.

[@Dubanx]

I had it as well. It wasn't that much worse than a normal flu, but I was sick for two weeks straight. Longest I've ever been sick. Longer than COVID and chicken pox, which are the only other two times I've been sick for longer than a week.

[@kaitlynoddie9649]

the only memory i have of the 2009 pandemic is being in third grade getting the vaccine at school and my mom came to hold my hand and then ended up holding the hands of all the kids whose parents couldn’t come

[@christinedelay5378]

That's so sweet of you mom! ❤️

[@LubnaSiddiq]

How sweet ❤️

[@vacafuega]

That's so nice. Thanks for sharing!

[@trishapellis]

Your mom sounds like a legend

[@daniellassander]

What 2009 pandemic? There wasnt one.

[@gregoryclark8217]

I had the 2009 swine flu, whilst aged 9, and this explains why my parents, born in '59 and '60 weren't bothered by it. I think I was also affected by "long swine flu" since I was noticeably weaker for about 1-1.5 years afterwards.

[@rphnick]

Just watched an interesting video explaining that long covid is a type of long viral effect. People have been suffering from long viral effects for years, but it was never discussed before. Not really a new phenomenon caused just by covid, so I believe anyone who had long swine flu.

[@sharonsloan]

Any bad viral infection can leave you with lingering symptoms, recuperating can take multiple months. For the unlucky it can trigger a lifelong autoimmune disorder, which happened me after a pneumonia infection.

[@mjkay8660]

swine flu in 09 wasnt the first time, back in 84? babies & elderly died after getting vaccinated. causing mistrusted vax's

[@anyascelticcreations]

Same here. I was already very prone to illness before getting Swine flu in 2009. Probably from what I now know was Lyme disease that went untreated years before. But that flu wiped me out for years. And I've had flu after flu ever since often developing into pneumonia. I thought for sure that COVID would kill me if I got it. I did get COVID, twice, but oddly enough that was mild for me compared to swine flu. I still have long something, though. Long Lyme/h1n1/COVID I guess.

[@anyascelticcreations]

@@sharonsloan How did your doctors end up discovering your autoimmune disease, if you don't mind my asking? My doctors have been trying to pinpoint exactly what is wrong with me and I have had multiple very serious illnesses throughout my life. I have an appointment with a rheumatologist in a little over a month. Any suggestions regarding finding an autoimmune disease like that?

[@moonspear]

FYI your animation at 3:03 is inaccurate. It shows the "bottom" of the Y (the F_constant region of the IgG protein) attaching to the virus. The Fc portion is what interacts with your immune cells, its the two "top" parts of the Y, the F_variable regions, that actually do the recognizing and attaching to the viral particles

[@lukaszszczebiot3160]

Came here to make same comment. IgG is backwards

[@Tayl0r_]

This makes me realize I really need to grab my biology textbook and workbook from my storage unit next week lol. Good catch

[@MWall711]

Yup! Good catch!

[@grapes4832]

Ok nerd

[@eininw]

Yes. Which side the antibody binds with affects how antibodies behave. Kudos to them for getting so much right though. Immunology is a very dense field to try to explain and understand, even for folks who work in it every day.

[@TreadSlowly]

Those antibodies are depicted upside down. The "V" ends attach to antigens. The base "I" segment attaches to immune cells etc.

[@jefimeyerhoff999]

I caught that too. Fc stealing all the thunder from Fab portions 😕 c'mon sci show 😛

[@jeffreyalanwong]

Lol! And it should be noted that it’s an IgG… the IgM is more of a pentamer type of thing than with the fab(2) parts facing out and the Fc part facing in looking like a snowflake

[@jhoughjr1]

I noticed that too but didnt htink much of it.

[@geektome4781]

I knew two people who died of the 2009 swine flu, including my boss. He was a great man.

[@dingdong2103]

I know 3 people who died immediately after taking the covid jab, 2 of which my close friends. And one more got a stroke at 55 after the jab. One died to blood clots, 2 sudden cardiac arrests with no prior symptoms. My uncle had to go to heart surgery after his 2nd jab, surprisingly he refused the 3rd 🤣

[@Agiyi]

I know people that died of literally anything, what's your point?

[@lesath7883]

May he be in light.

[@lesath7883]

@@dingdong2103 May they be in light.

[@sharonsloan]

My husband was really sick with the 2009 swine flu. He quarantined to his room for 2 weeks so our young daughter wouldn't get it. Thankfully neither of us got it. House well ventilated and all high touch areas cleaned frequently, an exhausting 2 weeks.

[@camipockets]

Good job!

[@amberhawksong]

I'm glad everything worked out! He sounds like an amazing husband too.

[@Beaver550]

I got sick from H1N1 in February 2010 just as I turned 50 years old. It was miserable. I ended up with pneumonia in both lungs that almost did me in. I missed 6 weeks of work and was quite weak for months. My lungs have never been the same since. The experience taught me the value of getting vaccinated when they become available (which I had previously neglected to do).

[@areguapiri]

Keep getting those injections.

[@gk5891]

I was hospitalized in the ICU with pneumonia as a young child with the 1968 H3N2 (which was a genetic component of the 2009 H1N1). I was lucky enough to recover without lasting lung damage in 1968 and it possibly contributed to the mildness of the 1977 H1N1 in my case (although I apparently contracted Chicken Pox during a Doctor's visit). The combination apparently provided me with some defense against the 2009 H1N1 as I managed to avoid infection.

[@dijidal]

Vaccines are for emotionally weak people who have little to no mind-body connection and who eat the corporate American diet, avoid direct sunshine, and who regularly sit on their couches and watch tv.

[@MrBannystar]

As long as the "vaxxes" actually work. These C-19 aren't exactly up to scratch.

[@amberhawksong]

I'm glad you made it in the end.

[@icarusbinns3156]

My sister caught the 2009 outbreak. And got bronchitis on top of that! When people say they’ve list their voice, they can usually make whisper sounds. Sis was completely silent. Mom got a little white board so sis could communicate with us, when she was awake.

[@AnonymousanonymousA]

USA30O Pandemic discovered in 2009 covered up look it up, look up Medical upcoding and medical gaslighting as well, there are games being played

[@lh3540]

A friend I was hanging out with got the 2009 one really badly. He lost like 12lbs. It was weird because we were in close contact, even sharing drinks and I got nothing. I did get wrecked with the worst flu of my life in 2003, and my jerk college profs wouldn't let me out of class. I should have gone to the hospital that time. Looking back that is insane.

[@Handicrafti]

I had a friend in college in 2011(?) who actually had to drop out of school because got the flu and one professor wouldn't let her make up the work. She was supposed to but was really old and just didn't care, she wouldn't make any exceptions. My friend got a bad grade, which tanked her GPA, and she lost her scholarship

[@cleverusernamenexttime2779]

@@Handicrafti I would have brought her in front of the school board. Or at least kick the s*** out of her

[@erinm9445]

@@Handicrafti Wow, that is terrible. And shocking that there wasn't any path for challenge or recourse with the school administration or with the department overseeing the professor.

[@ericmaclaurin8525]

2003 was the first covid pandemic - SARs -

[@StarCrystal9]

Well in the favor of fair balance, the Covid produced opposite reactions! Both are definitely insane!

[@EternalxFrost]

One of the best SciShow episodes I've seen. Only to notice half-way in the video that it was published 45 minutes ago, so fresh. Thank you SciShow ! Oh, and that shiny Charizard line was amazing haha

[@Carebearritual]

i agree! not sure what i like about this video more than others, though

[@coldfinger459sub0]

My grandfather was 10 years old and a police officer stopped him in the street and made him go home because he was not wearing a mask back in Spanish flu time.

[@raztubes]

Did he tell the cop that he will not be muzzled and that the flu is just another conspiracy to bring about a new world order?

[@coldfinger459sub0]

@@raztubes George bushes, clan and group ancestors were hard at work even back then.

[@gordthor5351]

Tom Lech / LECH AIR CONDITIONING You mean the "US Flu". It originated in the US.

[@johncaze757]

Where did that happened at exactly?

[@metamorphicorder]

And it was just as stupid as it is today.

[@nightthought2497]

The major take away from this should be that factory farming is the primary contributing factor to the spread of pandemics. Re-localize and diversify livestock practices, with a focus on small scale ranching. Smaller herds, smaller viral sinks.

[@karldubhe8619]

D'ya really want to pay 30$ for a chicken?

[@nightthought2497]

Person doing the subtitles pressed x to doubt.

[@LimeyLassen]

True. If we keep doing the same things we'll keep getting the same results, or worse ones. Almost every pandemic comes down to livestock.

[@lordgarion514]

@@LimeyLassen The majority of the diseases we have vaccines for, came from our livestock. Humans have given animals diseases as well.

[@lordgarion514]

Small scale means a LOT more people in contact with animals. The diseases don't magically pop up in a herd, it's brought to it by an infected animal. You'll lose more animals with larger herds, but you'll have a fraction of the people exposed to the animals. Small scale is what parts of China have going on. Tons of people exposed.....

[@neilkurzman4907]

The story of how we have the genome for the 1918 pandemic is also an interesting story. The story of a doctor that tried to get a sample of the virus in the 40s and a team of army scientist, trying to sequence the virus based on samples from World War I in the 2000s.

[@StonedtotheBones13]

I was wondering how we got it tbh

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@StonedtotheBones13 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Hultin

[@allangibson8494]

@@StonedtotheBones13 They also recovered samples from Inuit victims buried in the Alaskan permafrost. Being frozen for a century is great at preserving viral genes.

[@StonedtotheBones13]

@@allangibson8494 that's kind of terrifying but neat

[@leeparkdenouden]

the Spanish flu of 1918 arrived in Nigeria at the time. it was largely unreported but it killed a lot of Nigerians in those days it first arrived in lagos and slowly moved to my grandfathers state and then to his village of Adonte, this was before the Nigerian independence. a huge part of my grandfathers family was wiped out because of it, he was the only surviver of the Spanish Flu. They gave him a title in honor of being able to survive that scurge

[@nobodyspecial4702]

British railway workers in India estimated the death toll there alone at 60 million, but there were no records of the population by any other members of the government to corroborate those numbers.

[@DanielSMatthews]

Tuberculosis (TB) mortality declined after the 1918 pandemic, suggesting that influenza killed those who would have died from TB.

[@HweolRidda]

@@DanielSMatthews or it quickly killed the people currently suffering from TB, which slowed the spread of TB. Then other people were saved from subsequent TB infections.

[@DanielSMatthews]

@@HweolRidda In 1918 the majority of influenza victims were smokers (young adults, particularly men) and did not have access to antibiotics, which is relevant because Tuberculosis (TB) mortality declined after the 1918 pandemic, suggesting that influenza killed those who would have died from TB. The virus hammers the immune system so hard that you get opportunistic infections or flare ups of existing ones, these still happen in a modern context, just not as often and it is usually treated appropriately and in a timely manner, with antibiotics.

[@veggiet2009]

I have a weird sense of nostalgia watching this video, it has me nostalgic for 2 years ago when I was very interested in virology, for... "some" reason....

[@unknown-um3lq]

Almost 3 years ago...

[@territaylor8276]

My Mother passed from covid 19 in 2020. My sister & I were with her the last 7 hours of her life. When she passed, I pulled off my ppe & laid on the bed with her. After that day, despite our care to not have family contact, My father & 2 sister's extended famlies became sick. I quarantined but never was ill. Either I was unsymtomatic or still high on antibodies from a severe "flu" I'd had the fall previous. I've also had swine flu. Idk. It's just so weird. My sister that was with me when my Mother passed became very ill despite keeping all her ppe on & extreme precautions (like undressing before going in her house). Regardless, if anyone had experienced the passing of someone from covid 19, they would not dismiss its impact.

[@fourleafclover2064]

I'm so sorry about your mother's passing. Covid is terrible

[@gordthor5351]

Terri Taylor Sorry about your loss. There is a big misconception regarding the main purpose for wearing masks. The virus can enter a host via the mouth, nose and eyes (mucus membranes). Masks don't protect the eyes, but they do greatly mitigate the chance of infecting others in their eyes nose our mouth. The virus can live on hard surfaces for at least 1 day, so all the PPE in the world won't help if people touch their eyes, nose or mouth before washing their hands.

[@jmann2143]

Lol ..who says..."I pulled off my ppe". No one in case you're wondering.

[@Pippis78]

So so many people died alone because family members weren't allowed to be with them. Nightmarish. It kinda had to be done like that but it's just so terrible.

[@rosiehawtrey]

Did your sister do the sanitiser and you didn't? That's enough to explain it. You use sanitiser and it kills your holobiome - so all the hospital nasties can get in - you don't your own biome protects you. I've never had covid - kind of irrelevant however due to multiple bcc and breast cancer.. Partly isolation, partly from knowing the stuff I know. Partly never *ever* killing my skin holobiome to allow every hospital infection free range on me.

[@nance1111]

This is very informative. One of my kids got the H1N1 in 2009. It was scary. I wish I'd understood more about it at the time and this would have been a huge help. One complaint I had then that I still have today is that "Family Practioners" don't explore what kind of flu you have ( I had to request he be tested) and in this current environment, they don't want you in their offices if you have respiratory symptoms at all. You really have to push to find out what exact type of flu you have.

[@anyascelticcreations]

When I had h1n1in 2009 the doctor I saw offered the test to me without my having to ask. I was also at the doctor's office this week for other stuff. Several people in the waiting room were clearly sick. And the nurse told me that they are not allowed to turn down anyone who is acutely ill. So, maybe it varies from place to place. But both places that I referred to here seemed to be treating patients well.

[@jessicaspencer3480]

Not only did I get the swine flu in 2009 at 8 years old around October but all of my cousins (at the time about 30 of us in total, 10 or so) were out playing in the yard all day the day before my brothers and I became sick. When we went to the doctors my brothers and I were diagnosed with both strep and the flu. All of my cousins that were out playing that day got it and so did their siblings. One of my cousins a year older than me had epilepsy and didn't get it until after most of us got better so the entire family gathered for our aunt's birthday. This cousin got a fever from it, so she went to bed early to sleep it off; had a seizure and died from asphyxiation in the other room while we were celebrating.

[@ananttiwari1337]

That's so sad :(

[@normayoung5715]

So sorry for your loss

[@melissafarrugia9531]

I'm really sorry that happened.

[@rainwinter8798]

Aww

[@ineedhoez]

God damn.

[@CompanionCarli]

I remember catching H1N1 back in 2009. It happened in the middle of the summer and it barely affected me. I just had a low grade fever and a slight cough. My poor brother on the other hand caught it a week after me and was sick for weeks. He is only 5 years younger than me but I guess it was enough of a gap in our age to be exposed to different enough strains of the virus.

[@anyascelticcreations]

I got it too and so did my boyfriend at the time. He mostly slept for a day or so and then was fine. I was very seriously ill for months and was noticeably more sickly for years. He said he recovered from stuff very easily because he had some rare blood type. I have no idea if that's true. But he definitely did recover from stuff fast.

[@cmichaud04]

I think the major takeaway of this video is that there is a flu strain that specifically only targets humans and also seals. That's insane

[@letsburn00]

This kind of thing is the reason gain of function research was done. Despite what a bunch of conspiracy theorists say, there is a reason you want to be able to develop medicine and vaccines on stuff and be able to use animals like rabbits and mice instead of having to keep a bunch of seals around (or using humans for early research)

[@useodyseeorbitchute9450]

Next time someone would be clubbing seals, he should explain it's a pandemic prevention policy.

[@morgan9005]

I caught it in 2009, along with the rest of my family and our neighbours. I was vomiting every 5 minutes, my mother took my to the hospital only for her to start vomiting once I’d got a room. They told her if she wanted any medication she’d have to go wait for a spot, but she didn’t want to leave me. My dad called a while later saying my baby sister was vomiting all in her crib, and he was sick too. I crapped my pants right before we left the hospital that night, didn’t even know it was coming. I was horribly dizzy as well. It was a truly brutal flu.

[@areguapiri]

What happened I was 2009? I don't remember it.

[@morgan9005]

@@areguapiri h1n1 outbreak

[@sam-dot]

As someone who is currently down for the count with the flu, this was a funny coincidence and I can’t wait to see the video.

[@perraplays4126]

Bruh, what if it's your last straw

[@fpfp2196]

Get well soon!

[@andromeda7758]

I got h1n1 back when I was 9? It was when they outbreak was out in the late 2000s. Luckily I had a mild strain cause it could've got nasty with my asthma. Dr. Told me to isolate so I hid in my basement for a week. Thats when my dad got me the sims 3 and that started a whole thing and I think he regretted getting me that game 😂 I get a strange ass nostalgic memory of being sick and playing sims 3 for the first time when I smell a specific hand sanitizer 😅

[@tyler5545]

So funny, I also have a crazy connection between basements, smells and the Sims (though it was the Sims 1 👴🏼)!! Our family computer was down in the basement, in which we had one of the radiator-style oil space heaters since it was usually chilly down there. All the countless hours my siblings and I racked up down there playing the Sims, to this day we always laugh when a space heater is on somewhere and say “smells like The Sims.” Pavlov was certainly onto something…

[@usaslastresort1126]

@@tyler5545this is what the internet was made for!!!🙏🏽

[@patrickrussell1888]

My grandfather came down with the flu during WWI. He never got to the Euopean theater because of his lungs. My grandmother was a Red Cross nurse helping with the sick soldiers New York. Luckily he survived, albeit basically one lung. That's how they met. My grandfather lived to 85 as a dirt farmer in Oklahoma. My grandma lived a more comfortable urban life for 92 years. Hearty souls.

[@RamonQuiro7]

Thank you! This flu timeline was really interesting and crazy. It was all really concise and we'll presented

[@jonathanhucke]

About to start a small personal farm with livestock and didn't even think abount antigenic shift, despite taking classes that focused on virology in my undergrad. I'm glad I saw this video when I did. Definitely going to be keeping different species seperated.

[@catc8927]

The 2009 H1N1 was one of the worst flus I’ve ever had. Coughed until I lost my voice. Had chills and never could feel warm at all. Needed Tamiflu to finally break the fever. Messed up my metabolism for months after.

[@Tayl0r_]

I remember that. I was 10, and had immune system issues so I got it bad. Turned into pneumonia. Had relapses 2 times, due to the infection. A bit of a tangent but I remember my 4th grade teacher was super pissy that I kept missing class so often, and didn’t understand the math problems. She didn’t take my health issues very seriously and that just made me develop anxiety/avoidance issues smh

[@v1626]

@@Tayl0r_ some teachers are the worst. It was a scary time, sorry you had that experience!

[@Tayl0r_]

@@v1626 It’s okay! But I will say it’s pathetic that it took a seperate/another new pandemic for teachers, institutions, admins, workplaces/corps etc. to understand people’s situations like mine, and actually *properly accomodate*. Sad.

[@catc8927]

@@Tayl0r_ That’s so sad that you had such an unsympathetic teacher. I first noticed the 2009 flu pandemic because at the time I was working as a TA in graduate school, and an unusually large number of my students were requesting deadline extensions very early in the term. Once I realized it was due to the pandemic, I tried to go as easy on them as I could.

[@carolbowen1693]

A friend of ours tested positive for covid Dec of '21-took colloidal silver and got better in just 2 days-I've heard similar stories

[@kazzicup]

Tell your friend not to get tested ever again. Scam.

[@sithwolf2091]

Lol let me guess you took advice from Mercola? You know that fraud also claims colloidal silver helps with rabies? What utter trashy lies.

[@cheyenneismyname4279]

The flu and covid will never go away. We may get better at combating them, but since they are viruses, they are always changing.

[@Walt2323]

Dont get vaxxed!!!!

[@Ulfhedhner]

...but seen as Viruses have been around longer than Humans, and we're still here, I'd say we're okay. Ultimately, a virus dies off too, if it runs out of people to infect.

[@didac3918]

Are you a virologist now?

[@daqq]

I think the mRNA-based vaccines will prove to be much more effective than previous vaccines.

[@clogs4956]

@@hugoanderkivi or the opposite, where all new strains and mutations prove deadly to the virus. Fate is really rolling those loaded dice.

[@JayTie1]

3:02 the schematic antibodies should attach the other way around! The whole point of the Y shape is that it can attach to two moieties to crosslink and immobilize them! The lower part of the Y is bindable for example by immune cells to gobble them up.

[@purplevamp3132]

In 1918 my paternal grandmother died from the Spanish Flu. My father was only 9 years old. (I'm from his second marriage) He must've survived it. Everyone of European decent is a survivor of the Bubonic Plague. I never caught COVID. I feel lucky to be alive.

[@WolfgangDoW]

Fun fact: some British people are immune to HIV cos it shares a receptor with Plague which they're also immune too

[@purplevamp3132]

@@WolfgangDoW My father was half English and half Irish. Could be...

[@huldu]

You have *never* had covid? That's a big one. You really have to live in a secluded area or by yourself barely ever going outside. I've had covid 5 times so far luckily I barely even notice it. Work is hell but what can you do bills need to be paid at the end of the day.

[@purplevamp3132]

@@huldu I've never had COVID and I take public transportation in New York. I wash my hands more often now. I wear a mask if the bus gets crowded. (I recently got vampire teeth and I like showing them off)

[@cherylreid2964]

@@huldu I haven't had Covid and many I know haven't. AotearoaNZL here 🌏

[@mellow-jello]

A sample in the 90s of the Spanish flu was found in the Canadian Arctic, when analyzing corpses left by an Arctic expedition. Later shipped to the CDIC, and made it in a National Geographic show.

[@louisestaats234]

"And don't look at the man behind the curtain" said the great and powerful OZ.

[@mayaryom2641]

My great grandmother (Denmark) wrote a little pamphlet about her life. Seeing the first Ellehammer airplane and how she celebrated her 8th birthday in hospital with a drain in her lung due to the Spanish flu, which I remembered when they først started talking about covid19, making me prepare for lockdown etc. early on. I was, BTW hit quite hard in 2009...And twice from covid19.

[@Ayudado]

Thank you for keeping your standards and the objectivity that defines your content as high as always, so much so that you even clarified how its misnomer was formed. 👍

[@liberty-matrix]

“The vaccine was not brought in for COVID. COVID was brought in for the vaccine. Once you realize that, everything else makes sense.” ~ Dr. Reiner Fuellmich

[@tomspencer1364]

Almost every pandemic in history is accompanied by hysteria. It follows set patterns of panic and exploitation. How does it feel to be a symptom?

[@joylox]

I was diagnosed with swine flu in 2009. I was at a huge event for youth groups across the world, and those under 15 at the time like myself really got hit hard. It's the worst I remember being sick since being a toddler, and the only consolation I had was that one of my friends who got sick at the same time was able to come over during the quarantine, so we watched a lot of movies and ate a lot of applesauce...

[@psdeas7530]

A 3rd grade classmate of mine was out sick in 1968, but never returned, as she died at age 8 from the flu he is describing. Her death has had a profound effect on my life.

[@Graanvlok]

Sorry for the loss of your friend. x

[@Volgotha]

So this thing literally does the equivalent of putting on glasses and our white bloodcells go "Oh hi Clark Kent, have you seen Superman go by this way?" smh

[@LimeyLassen]

Well, cells don't have eyes or ears. 🙈🙉 Those proteins are the only way they can what's going on.

[@vangu2918]

It may keep peekabooing us forever.

[@zxzerostelar]

Can't wait for the sequel in 100 years

[@sophierobinson2738]

Everyone in my family but me caught the 1968 flu. My aunt was an RN, the doctor she worked for was our family doctor. I got to make sure everyone took whatever it was he gave us, on time.

[@Bryan-Hensley]

That was also the time the measles made another round. I got deathly sick in 1968 at 3 years old. My temperature went to 108 for a little bit. I lost about half of my hearing because of the high temperature.. I've never been bad sick since.. never had the flu. I'm 57 now

[@lordgarion514]

You probably had it as well, unless you got tested of course. Some strains of the flu have up to a 60% asymptomatic rate.

[@MagdaleneDivine]

I got that 2009 bug back in 2006ish? I remember they kept warning everyone about it. And no one listened. I didn't even take it seriously when I had it. It was the worst thing ever. I was completely delirious. Never in my life... Looking back I'm like why didn't I go to the hospital.

[@sydneyc5308]

I got it too and I remember going to the ER and the doc saying there was nothing they could do and sent me home. My grandma remembered her mom talking about the 1918 version and was freaked out.

[@applegal3058]

I had a severe case of covid in September past. I was so miserable I literally couldn't do anything except pee, jack my body with meds so I could sleep, and go back to bed. I lost weight because I had absolutely no appetite, so that probably also weakened me. I was experiencing a racing heart and constant cycling fevers, pain, constant coughing and sinus issues. It was rough. Personally, I stayed away from hospitals because I have zero faith in getting the help I needed from past experiences in my childhood (I have PTSD caused in part to this), and was too weak and sick to drive myself, and too miserable to sit in the ER wait for 8 to 12 hours.

[@finky555]

Maybe because subconsciously you knew you were going to survive.

[@applegal3058]

@@finky555 maybe, but I doubt someone knows if they're going to die until they stop breathing or going unconscious...

[@ZT1ST]

@@finky555 It's more likely that it was the looming medical bill that accompanies a U.S. hospital visit.

[@podtherod9304]

I got sick during 2009 H1N1. I was around 7 or 8. I thought I was going to die. I was bedridden for days and I remember having the most insane fever dreams. One of them involved vampire SpongeBob and Patrick hunting me down all around my hometown

[@purplealice]

And the avian flu reduces the number of domesticated birds (chickens, turkeys, etc) and useful wild birds (ducks, geese, coots)

[@ninalehman9054]

I remember the 1968 flu, it helped make 1968 one of the worst years in American history. Also, the news referred to it as the “Hong Kong Flu."

[@luannnelson2825]

Two books I’d recommend: Flu by Gina Kolata; The Great Influenza by John Barry. I’m sure there are others that are good but these are both highly informative and well-written.

[@DalgetyBayHypnotherapy]

One of the best Scishow videos I've seen. We'll done!

[@terramater]

It's always interesting to see how viruses keep genetically changing. Our crew recently filmed another pandemic we are currently facing: the Panama disease (one more disease named after a place). The fungus affects only bananas, but this could be the end of the banana we know in the Northern Hemisphere. But we talked to some scientists, and they have a solution. We're curious to see what will happen with the banana pandemic.

[@saraallen5447]

Panama disease is caused by the fungal pathogen Fusarium oxysporum f. sp. cubense, not a virus

[@areguapiri]

You will believe anything.

[@Praisethesunson]

Lol the "solution" is the same thing they did last time. Find a banana that doesn't die to that disease. Then just mass produce that banana. Problem "solved"

[@cyberherbalist]

One of my great grandfathers and his son (my great uncle) died in this 1918 pandemic.

[@clogs4956]

I lost my paternal grandfather to the 1918 influenza (if I can put it that way). I was born in 1961 and my Grandma, who helped raise me, showed me the family bible and told me what happened. There must be an awful lot of families with stories like ours.

[@sophierobinson2738]

There’s a cemetery near me with 5 members of one family buried within days of each other.

[@amypetersen1668]

My great grandmother died in 1919 during the second wave. She had two little children, one being my grandmother. They had only arrived 4 years earlier and my grandmother was the first in our family to be born in the US- her brother was born in Russia before they came here. Sadly my grandmother was only 3 when her mom died and the children went into foster care as their dad had to work and at that time children were taken away if the mom died. My grandmother was always healthy and lived to be 96 (although Alzheimer’s robbed us of her mind long before). I wonder if she ever got the flu again after most likely getting antibodies from her mom’s infection

[@javierpatag3609]

My dad got AH1N1 several years ago when it was in the news. It’s a good reminder that indeed diseases never really go away. We just end up living with them. That’s something to accept with the current pandemic.

[@CL-go2ji]

I see it that way.

[@drg9812]

"Original Antigenic Sin" ... Would that be a good band name?

[@MrWaterbugdesign]

I lived as a hermit as an experiment for 1 year. When the year was up covid was just starting and I kind of liked living as a hermit...so I stayed a hermit. When I shop for food I wear a N19 respirator mask that I had for woodworking plus I still tries to stay away from people. I eat low carb so in and out in 10-15 minutes. I like not being very worried about not only covid but other flu and even colds. Kind of amazing if everyone on the planet isolated for just 2 weeks, maybe 4, or wore a serious mask to protect themselves that covid would go extinct in those couple of weeks. But that's not human nature. Instead we do this endless dance, People say humans are the most intelligent animal, but I guess that's a pretty low bar.

[@SaebriSelect]

but it is interesting to think of something like 'Demolition Man', where if we eliminate all human contact, when u do get the rare sickness coming by it would be often fatal. so exposure really makes humans strong. so its a hard balance to try to figure out for sure. both extreme ends of this have pros and cons

[@Paislywalls4767]

I was happy that they reported air quality was much better during lockdowns. I know people who go for a drive for Any reason... to decompress for the day! We need to stop that behavior. Clean air is perty important, can be achieved. I know its easy to become a hermit. I don't feel its best but people make it an easy choice. 🥴 Hunt, fish, grow a garden , less people in my life. 🕊

[@lours6993]

My dad who was an Australian naval officer came back from Hong Kong to Sydney in 1968 and that weekend both my parents go so sick with the flu the were not able to get out of bed for several days. My sister and I were only 4 and 5 at the time.

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

I’ve had 3 very terrible flus: when I was about 8 (high fever with delirium), one when I was 18 (awful and lasted a solid week) and one when I was in my mid-20s (also high fever, all the aches, etc. it took a month to recover). I never got h1n1 and I was totally exposed to recruits during boot camp at that time, and haven’t caught covid (I’ve had the 4 vaccinations though)

[@motherofnerdlings]

Ugh I'll never forget 2009. I was 20 years old when I got swine flu. I literally felt like I was dying every minute of every day for 28 days straight before I even STARTED feeling better, and it was another 4 weeks or so of recovery.

[@ineedhoez]

Crazy. I remember it but not really.

[@andretorres8452]

You have some immunity to the 1918 variant of H1N1

[@grrrgrl101]

The comments have been so interesting! I’ve enjoyed hearing other people’s accounts as it has broadened my understanding

[@michaelmayhem350]

Covid-19 isn't ending either its just going to be endemic

[@nicholaslewis8594]

And wouldn’t he surprised if there were periodic flare ups of even worse activity mixed in too.

[@turkeytrac1]

Now, I hate to ask, can you dumb this down so I can show it to certain persons? Anyway, great video, thx!!

[@Beryllahawk]

Where I live, there are a LOT of chicken farms...and the local farms just suffered a massive problem with the H5N1 virus. Poultry products almost doubled in price between August and November. This is anecdotal but, I was told they were forced to kill a lot of their animals in order to stop the spread of the virus. It's likely that a bunch of them just plain died from the flu too but either way it was a bad time for the chicken farmers. Fortunately (I think) chickens reproduce really really quick. Prices are coming back down as the farms recover, but it was a direct example of how badly a flu can mess our lives up even when it's not infecting US. And a sobering reminder of how much we rely on keeping our livestock healthy and safe.

[@kohakuaiko]

Lucky for you, but they're still rising where I live 😭

[@someguy2135]

Vegans aren't bothered by the price of eggs or chickens. Why else should you boycott animal products? 1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get the most common chronic, deadly diseases) 2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases 3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen. 4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water. Each vegan saves 219,000 gallons of water every year! 5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution 6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation 7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses. Workers in meat packing facilities often endure terrible, dangerous working conditions. 8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity 9-Needless killing of innocent, sentient beings cannot be ethically justified. 10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation. 11- Longer lifespan. 12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.) 13- A healthy plant based diet significantly reduces the chances of ED later in life, and even 1 meal can improve bedroom performance 14- Vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of dementia later in life 15- A plant based diet could save money! You could reduce your food budget by one third! 16-A fully plant based diet improves the immune system according to a study published in the journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health 17-A fully plant based food system would greatly reduce food borne illnesses like salmonella 18-A fully plant based food system would be able to feed millions more people. Our population is growing! 19-A fully plant based food system would save 13,000 lives a year from the air pollution caused by animal agriculture, according to a study 20- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1 trillion in health care and related costs (Oxford Study) Links for some of these are at my channel under "About." If you doubt any of them, I would be glad to cite evidence from credible sources to back them up. KZbin only allows a certain number of links at my channel. Can you refute any of these compelling reasons to boycott animal products? After I made my list, I found this video with his own list which overlaps mine. He cites evidence from credible sources in the description. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5SZfp2jqJalnq8

[@melissajohnson2935]

I got sick back in 2019 with flu and tested positive for type A and B. Further testing showed the type A was H1N1. Let me tell ya, I thought I was going to die! Touching my hair caused severe pain. A unbreakable fever that caused me to hallucinate.

[@amberhawksong]

I'm glad you recovered :)

[@LouCadle]

My grandfather was 14 when it hit his small town. The doctor assigned him nursing duties, and he nursed 400 other people through it, made a huge pot of soup every day to deliver, and washed sheets in a wringer washer every day until he dropped, but he never got it--or at least never had a symptom. (I inherited his immune system. I have never had the flu or a flu shot.) The doc said "take a shot of whiskey every night--it'll kill the bug." Nonsense, and luckily didn't turn him into a drunk. It was an exhausting month, but he and the country doc didn't lose a patient.

[@CL-go2ji]

Wow. 400 patients and no deaths is impressive, they were doing something right. And/or very lucky.

[@LouCadle]

@@CL-go2ji could have been the town's demographics played a roll. A big killer in 1918 was secondary infections. Maybe there's some reason they didn't suffer those. 2.5% mortality rate, so 10 deaths would have been expected. Random luck, possibly. What's weirder is that northern Italy, where Covid was so awful, really terrible death rates? The same thing was true of the 1630 plague there. Wiped out a crazy high percentage of that population. Why would a locale matter, you have to wonder...

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@LouCadle The age profile of Italy is very elderly by global standards. Also, in 1630, Italy's population was very urban and congested by the standards of the time

[@sujimtangerines]

The current Bird Flu outbreak (making eggs so expensive) has gone on a lot longer than experts predicted. After the last one in 2015, that lasted HALF the time so far, scientists & farmers worked to see what could be done to fight a future pandemic & mitigate losses. They had a game plan, so to speak. Despite culling millions of birds, this strain has been found in twice the number of states as detected in 2015, largely because it's being driven by wild birds, who don't show signs or symptoms as readily as domesticated poultry. Those extra precautions taken to stem the contagion aren't as effective in this case as it's not farm to farm transmission. The CDC & other govt agencies need to do PSAs on wild birds, because I have a feeling it's going to get worse before it gets better... and I don't want it to jump to humans.

[@bonniegierach5027]

Don’t let FEAR rule your life, or you’ll live in the basement like monkeyman.

[@someguy2135]

Vegans aren't bothered by the price of eggs or chickens. Why else should you boycott animal products? 1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get the most common chronic, deadly diseases) 2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases 3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen. 4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water. Each vegan saves 219,000 gallons of water every year! 5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution 6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation 7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses. Workers in meat packing facilities often endure terrible, dangerous working conditions. 8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity 9-Needless killing of innocent, sentient beings cannot be ethically justified. 10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation. 11- Longer lifespan. 12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.) 13- A healthy plant based diet significantly reduces the chances of ED later in life, and even 1 meal can improve bedroom performance 14- Vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of dementia later in life 15- A plant based diet could save money! You could reduce your food budget by one third! 16-A fully plant based diet improves the immune system according to a study published in the journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health 17-A fully plant based food system would greatly reduce food borne illnesses like salmonella 18-A fully plant based food system would be able to feed millions more people. Our population is growing! 19-A fully plant based food system would save 13,000 lives a year from the air pollution caused by animal agriculture, according to a study 20- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1 trillion in health care and related costs (Oxford Study) Links for some of these are at my channel under "About." If you doubt any of them, I would be glad to cite evidence from credible sources to back them up. KZbin only allows a certain number of links at my channel. Can you refute any of these compelling reasons to boycott animal products? After I made my list, I found this video with his own list which overlaps mine. He cites evidence from credible sources in the description. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5SZfp2jqJalnq8

[@glacialimpala]

Disease is fascinating, I still don't remember reading about how CWD got to northern Europe after only American deer population had it

[@mystic_tacos]

@@someguy2135 So, where are the farm animals to go if we all go vegan? They just can't be released.

[@someguy2135]

@@mystic_tacos The world is not going to go vegan overnight. As more people become reducitarian (aka flexitarian,) vegetarian, or vegan, the demand will drop, which will result in fewer farm animals being bred into existence to meet the demand, according to the economics law of supply and demand. Eventually, the last of the farm animals can go to a sanctuary, like the farm animal sanctuary owned by Jon (Daily Show) Stewart.

[@KeepSpeakingLoud]

It's so funny that LMNT is sponsoring this because of how this current pandemic can cause a condition that makes LMNT actually the best medicine (hey POTS havers) I live and die by LMNT

[@alienonion4636]

In 1968 I was soooooo sick from the flu. It hit me hard and fast. I was taken home from school and in my own bed in less than an hour. That was on a Friday. By noon the next Monday the school closed for at least a week since there weren't enough healthy students to attend. I remember the worried look on the school nurses face. Oddly now I feel lucky to have had that flu. And I think in terms of my ancestors having survived a great deal or I wouldn't even be here. We are made of sturdier stuff than we realize.

[@mellow-jello]

As a Torontonian, we apologize for our part in 1918. In the 1870s, we had a horse zoodemic, which spread to the US Calvary. Independently, a duck zoodemic cross-mutated with the swine flu in China, and carried to the front from the labour corps travelling through Canada. It combined itself with US forces, and the rest is history.

[@Tayl0r_]

Got the flu really bad in September or early October, but had a doctors appt coincidentally at that time, so they gave me the flu shot. I still got a sinus infection due to immune system issues. Now Im sitting here, sick with the flu but much milder, but with a cough/cold(?) symptoms as well. Here’s hoping I don’t get walking pneumonia like I used to get every year as a kid and teen, multiple times. Get your flu shots people!!!

[@jackflash9735]

The Avian Flu is why we're paying $5 for a dozen eggs and why Turkey was so expensive this past year!

[@nicholaslewis8594]

At least for the Turkey pretty sure the feed got more expensive too.

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@nicholaslewis8594 The feed was just one aspect. Entire flocks were lost, and interestingly in chickens it affects egg, laying chickens more than it affects roasting chickens, a.k.a. broilers.

[@amosbackstrom5366]

That's why I had steak for Thanksgiving and I just eat bacon and more bacon for breakfast 😋

[@someguy2135]

Vegans aren't bothered by the price of eggs or poultry. Why else should you boycott animal products? 1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get the most common chronic, deadly diseases) 2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases 3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen. 4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water. Each vegan saves 219,000 gallons of water every year! 5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution 6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation 7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses. Workers in meat packing facilities often endure terrible, dangerous working conditions. 8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity 9-Needless killing of innocent, sentient beings cannot be ethically justified. 10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation. 11- Longer lifespan. 12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.) 13- A healthy plant based diet significantly reduces the chances of ED later in life, and even 1 meal can improve bedroom performance 14- Vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of dementia later in life 15- A plant based diet could save money! You could reduce your food budget by one third! 16-A fully plant based diet improves the immune system according to a study published in the journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health 17-A fully plant based food system would greatly reduce food borne illnesses like salmonella 18-A fully plant based food system would be able to feed millions more people. Our population is growing! 19-A fully plant based food system would save 13,000 lives a year from the air pollution caused by animal agriculture, according to a study 20- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1 trillion in health care and related costs (Oxford Study) Links for some of these are at my channel under "About." If you doubt any of them, I would be glad to cite evidence from credible sources to back them up. KZbin only allows a certain number of links at my channel. Can you refute any of these compelling reasons to boycott animal products? After I made my list, I found this video with his own list which overlaps mine. He cites evidence from credible sources in the description. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5SZfp2jqJalnq8

[@juliantheapostate8295]

@@someguy2135 'Vegans aren't bothered by the price of eggs or poultry' Actually they are. The more people who eat vegetarian food, the higher the demand and the price. Yes, this will trigger an increase in production, but not all farm land can support arable production

[@MorriAelthyn]

I got H1N1 in 2009... And I'm pretty sure my daughter did too, but somehow she never tested positive even though she was sick. BUT she was still nursing at the time. So now she's forever better protected against H1N1 strains? Silver lining to how utterly miserable we were I guess. 🤔

[@johndemeritt3460]

Don't give "the benefit of hindsight" too much benefit of the doubt. It's amazing how often humans make the same mistakes repeatedly, despite having history to examine. How long did it take to get rid of "balancing the humors" medicine before we adopted a newer paradigm?

[@leakingamps2050]

Even ignoring that - people still haven't really learned how effective quarantines are, hundreds (over a thousand?) Years after they got the name

[@EclecticFruit]

The politicization of vaccines and quarantining has proven humanity is not socially-responsible enough to take protective action for its population, especially considering some are much more vulnerable to bad outcomes than others. "Muh rights" means more than "your life."

[@lordgarion514]

About 15 minutes after technology got good enough. I exaggerate the time of course, but most weird things people believed, didn't last long after technology allowed them to actually study it.

[@lordgarion514]

@@leakingamps2050 No, they've been told by those that study it. So they absolutely know. Choosing to ignore isn't the same thing.

[@someguy2135]

The lessons of history tell us to switch to a fully plant based food system. Why should you boycott animal products? 1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get the most common chronic, deadly diseases) 2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases 3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen. 4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water. Each vegan saves 219,000 gallons of water every year! 5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution 6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation 7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses. Workers in meat packing facilities often endure terrible, dangerous working conditions. 8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity 9-Needless killing of innocent, sentient beings cannot be ethically justified. 10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation. 11- Longer lifespan. 12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.) 13- A healthy plant based diet significantly reduces the chances of ED later in life, and even 1 meal can improve bedroom performance 14- Vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of dementia later in life 15- A plant based diet could save money! You could reduce your food budget by one third! 16-A fully plant based diet improves the immune system according to a study published in the journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health 17-A fully plant based food system would greatly reduce food borne illnesses like salmonella 18-A fully plant based food system would be able to feed millions more people. Our population is growing! 19-A fully plant based food system would save 13,000 lives a year from the air pollution caused by animal agriculture, according to a study 20- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1 trillion in health care and related costs (Oxford Study) Links for some of these are at my channel under "About." If you doubt any of them, I would be glad to cite evidence from credible sources to back them up. KZbin only allows a certain number of links at my channel. Can you refute any of these compelling reasons to boycott animal products? After I made my list, I found this video with his own list which overlaps mine. He cites evidence from credible sources in the description. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5SZfp2jqJalnq8

[@vallana]

Avian flu not only ups the cost for poultry and eggs, the flu vaccine uses eggs to grow the viruses needed to make them, so shortages of eggs can lead to a shortage of vaccine

[@AlexDiscovers]

While they still use eggs to grow certain flu vaccines, there are several versions that are not that have been widely available for several years. So while it may slow production of some versions, it is unlikely to lead to widespread shortages, as production of non-egg versions are widely produced to make sure people with egg allergies can get the flu shot just as readily as the general population.

[@istp1967]

Not to mention, they didn't have electron microscopes in 1918; so they didn't know what viruses looked like. The invention of the electron microscope and the subsequent discovery of DNA in 1957 made the study if viruses significantly easier.

[@scottnyc6572]

Royal Raymond Rife had developed a electron microscope however the medical establishment mafia torched his laboratories and labeled him a charlatan.The medical mafia is real

[@XwitterEye]

at 3:05 the antibodies need to be rotated. The epitope detecting region (FAb) is at the tips of the Y shape. The base of the Y is the FC region

[@olivebrosnan4437]

In 1918 while the flu was still a raging hurricane (metaphorically), Philadelphia decided to throw a parade to say that everything is fine, there is no deadly virus and because of this the reports of cases became so high the next day. It’s the greatest irony in the history of illnesses.

[@uzaiyaro]

Whoever named it original antigenic sin clearly had a sense of humour.

[@sparky082]

I got the pandemic and 2009 and have been paying for it ever since because I've had long-term. I call it swine flu (h1n1) but it really is just long-term Spanish flu and I got it again about a week after and then relapsed. It was awful and I've never really recovered from it

[@kellydalstok8900]

According to a BBC documentary the first case of the flu was an American recruit who came back from leave on his parents’s poultry farm. He then infected several other soldiers. Of that platoon had been isolated instead of sent on to embark the ships that took them to Europe, the pandemic could have been nipped in the bud. More people got on those ships and some even died. Arriving in France they infected European soldiers, who then took the virus back home on leave. What really would help with the spread of flu is paid sick leave, so people don’t feel pressured to go to work sick. I’m looking at you USA.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

What would really help with most viruses is to contain them to their source country, China

[@zacrintoul]

This is a great explanation of a surprisingly complex topic. Well done 👍

[@eyevou]

So H5N1 is why eggs are so expensive recently? (up about 60% as of 1/4/23 as compared to 12/26/22)

[@TheRockInnRobin]

Yes. Jumbo eggs at my parents house is $7.55 a dozen in far west Texas

[@That.Lady.withtheYarn]

That and crop failures causing feed prices to go up. But the bird flu is the biggest factor

[@ussstropicana]

No it's because of the Ho2Na (water non-available) variant. We'll eventualy be missing letters after the Z99999Z99999 variant.

[@eyevou]

@@That.Lady.withtheYarn feed price increases are surprising as the cost of Milk has went down ~15% in the same time frame.

[@That.Lady.withtheYarn]

@@eyevou depends on the farm to or buying for home chickens. But the virus is clearly the bigger factor. Milk its still pretty high, but I'm sure that more greed than anything

[@syenite]

I was 21 during the 2009 pandemic. I lived in a large house with 10 other students at the time. We all got it, and it was so, so bad for all of us. I was sure that I was gonna die. 2 of my roommates ended up in the hospital. I've encountered so many older adults who say it wasn't that bad, but all I can think of is 4 bathrooms for 11 people with the flu and how he'll-ish that was. I was completely health and hale prior to that. Within 2 years of being infected, I was diagnosed with multiple auto-immune disease and developed dysautonomia, which is what people with long-covid are now being told they have. Any virus can have "long-xyz." all the research coming out about covid and long covid have me even more sure than I was before that h1n1 wrecked havoc and devestation on my immune system and caused the health issues I have today. Get your flu shots!

[@janwallace5005]

Thanks that was really interesting, I got influenza in 1968 aged 7 and was quite ill with it. I don't remember much about it just the extreme thirst and bad co ordination. Touch wood I've not had flu since apart from a couple of dodgy viruses in my 20's, I'm in my 60's now and being urged to get a flu vaccine personally I can't see the need for it. Also have managed this last pandemic without contracting Covid unless I was symptom less.

[@varyolla435]

Catch Influenza = and you will see the need as you say - though by then it will be too late...... Moral of the story: as you age your body works less efficiently - and this includes your immune system. As such your risk from vaccine-preventable infectious diseases is today vastly greater than when you were in your 20's. As an aside. The more people who like yourself refuse to avail yourself to vaccination = the greater the chances of eventual exposure and infection. You are living a life of assumptions in a world based upon reality. 🤔

[@horridohobbies]

Very educational! Thank you.

[@PSwayBeats]

I had gotten the swine flu it was the worst I've ever felt in my life 103 fever body hurt so bad and I was in the doctor's office spreading it to everyone LOL my doctor told me to come in so I did

[@ActuallyAShrimp]

Hopefully the people there that day ended up alright, along with you of course!!

[@SpawnofHastur]

I've had H1N1. Not the sickest I've ever been, but close.

[@fiberpoet6250]

I remember in 2009 H1N1 there was a vaccine shortage and ppl were really getting sick. I normally never bothered with flu shots. I had a bad flu in middle school in the late 1980’s and never got sick from a flu after that. But I was definitely concerned about the 2009 one, and luckily cuz I have epilepsy, I qualified to get a H1N1 flu shot and I got it and I’m glad I did.

[@GreenJeepAdventures]

The 2009 h1n1 flu was the sickest I have ever been. If it had been just a little worse, I could see how it would have been fatal.