The 1966 Jeff Beck & Jimmy Page Recording Session That Nearly Formed Led Led Zeppelin!

The Recording Session That Almost Created Led Zeppelin! Were They Rock’s Predestined Band?
Hey everyone!
On May 18th 1966, Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck from the English Rock band The Yardbirds joined The Who’s Drummer Keith Moon, John Paul Jones, and Nicky Hopkins to record Jeff Beck’s ‘Beck’s Bolero’!
Many consider this session the session that almost produced the Rock band Led Zeppelin a full two years early!
Who would have wound up in this alternative line-up if it had manifested at this early date? What name would they have chosen for the band? Who would they have got to sing lead vocals?
These and many more questions are answered in my latest video, and Part 1 to my new series based on Led Zeppelin’s story!
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Enjoy!
Michael Noland
The Bottom Line

[@helenespaulding7562]

I think that band would have been a supergroup that maybe lasted two albums. Perhaps like Cream. Plant was able to mold the raw talent of Plant and Bonham to conform to his vision. I remember reading that, when Zep first got together, Bonham, being the cocky 20 year old that he was, was unhappy about some of the direction he was getting from Page. Grant took him aside and said basically..,shut the fuck up and do what this man says or you’re out That wouldn’t have worked with Moon. He was too uncontrollable because he was already a celebrity. Ditto for Entwhistle. Marriott was also already his own man. Page would not have been able to exert the control he needed to realize his vision with those guys. Too many huge egos already in place. And Beck? I think he and Jimmy, although great mates, would have wanted to go in different directions musically after awhile. Good for an album and a tour perhaps, but it would have imploded very soon I think

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Exactly my thoughts Helene! I think 2 albums, a tour and a later live album would have been it! But what a couple of albums! And I even agree with your analysis as to who would have been the loose cannons! Excellent ananlysis!👌😉👍✌️❤️

[@ekpoole957]

I assume you meant to write "Page was able to mold", not Plant. I agree with your view point otherwise.

[@w.geoffreyspaulding6588]

@@ekpoole957 Helene here. oh darn, I hate it when that happens! I tried to edit, but cannot..evidently because Michael has “pined” it! 🙄 at least I got it right twice!😏😉

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

@@w.geoffreyspaulding6588 I’m not unpinning it Helene! Your points are just too spot on!👌😉❤️ Besides, what wrong with being right twice?😎👌

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

@@ekpoole957 There y’ go, EK!👌😉❤️

[@martelprayer416]

Man I'm a black brother from America. You'd be surprised how many of us brothers are into Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Nirvana and such. Love your content. Keep going strong

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, Alton! Classic Rock Rules! At least when it’s played properly!😉👌❤️

[@martelprayer416]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Absolutely agree with you there. Keep up the good work you're doing.

[@allanjechorek4381]

Same goes for us white folks with black music. Sly and the Family stone,Muddy Waters,Jimmy’s Band of Gypsies,etc. We’re all Brothers when it comes to good music.

[@bobinscotland]

Music is great as it doesn't need colours, but I suppose there are many reference points still in use from the old days. Just great to enjoy the sounds made by top musicians these days.

[@stevecowder4774]

Wow that’s quite an intriguing story on the origins of Zeppelin. Never knew the true depth of all that till now. Thanks for breaking it down Michael.

[@markeemark85]

And hear I thought I was a Knowledgeable Zep fan, interesting stuff man

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, mark!👍

[@stuartmoore6310]

The album that Jeff Beck put together, Jeff Beck Truth, from that session and subsequent ones including Rod Stewart on vocals, was just a phenomenal LP! That is an absolutely killer record and among my all-time favorites right up there with Fresh Cream and the first Led Zeppelin album. Throw in Meddle and Who's Next for the win!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Absolutely, Stuart! Truth has been worn out more than once with me over the years!

[@juliemanarin4127]

I think those loose canons would have ruined the band...no way. You had to have basically unknowns like Plant and Bonham and the multi-talented quiet Jones to make a band with Jimmy!! This was truly DESTINY!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

That woulda been my worry, Julie! Jimmy needed carving time! Those first 2 albums really established their base, and Jimmy was more or less in full control until he saw a real partnership!

[@jonrhythm3686]

Good points. I'm inclined to agree with u that the unknown quantity of Plant and Bonzo worked to Jimmy's factor in being the leader. Pair that with Jimmy's confidence in Jones professional studio credits to that point and you got a real unstoppable force.

[@tektoniks_architects]

Very astute, Julie. I think you are exactly right about that. And Michael....your Zeppelin videos are among the best I've heard. Exceptional work. Superlungs Terry Reid.....he's worth a video and maybe a few reactions....what a talent.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

@@jonrhythm3686 Good points here, Jon! Once Page had ‘the sound’ he, relinquished his hold a bit, and LZ benefited so much!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

@@tektoniks_architects Absolutely, Ernie! Terry Reid is a major part of the Led Zeppelin Story! BTW: I’ve retitled this new series! The new and continuing title is ‘Decoding Led Zeppelin’! That better describes my whole approach to their amazing story! Hopefully, I’ll open a few eyes regarding just how significant this band truly is! See what you tribal members get, with a deeper dive into The Tribes comment section?😉 -Michael- Thanx, E!

[@kevinmyler4335]

Narrator: "watch my hands as I weave a tale of Rock and Roll wonderment, the likes of which nobody has ever seen or heard before."

[@philweeks8459]

As much as we've enjoyed the work of these VERY talented musicians, it probably wouldn't have worked out as a band. The Led Zeppelin we know was Page's idea and this was HIS band. Having a Beck, Entwistle, and Moon WITH Jimmy Page in one band the expectations would have been too high. When Page met and heard Plant, his first instincts were correct, BUT, he had to assure himself that Robert was a "good fit." Before inviting him to his home, Page has admitted that he suspected that Plant must be too full of himself, probably difficult to work with. How pleasantly WRONG he was! He found Plant to be quite charming and humble. They both shared the same likes of folk artists as Page showed him his ideas of different tunes. He saw that Pant could take direction and the excitement in his attitude. Page was very familiar with Jones' playing and saw him as the other "stabbed/experienced" member. Peter Grant was assisting Jimmy with his project as the two of them had already worked together as the Yardbirds were ending. In an interview, Grant stated that he knew John Bohnam would be the drummer BEFORE he had even heard him play. John was friends with Plant, and it was Plant that suggested for Jimmy to go hear his style at some gig. According to Grant, he said he knew Bohnam was the right guy because when Jimmy phoned him, Page paid for the phone call. "When I hung up the phone, it dawned on me that it wasn't a collect call. Well, that's first. This guy must be really good." Personally, I think there would have been too many egos with the "fantasy" Zeppelin. At the start of OUR Zeppelin, the only one with an ego was Page, BUT also smart enough to check it at the door. He didn't want another "Who" where Townsend did all of the songwriting. Page really wanted to form a band he could collaborate with. There's no way Beck would have a good working partner, Moon was already a handful, and Page would have NEVER put up with his nonsense. Being a great musician is one thing. Being a bandmate as well is another.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Some very wonderful thoughts there, Phil! And I will be covering some of those specific points in future videos! By the time Jimmy met up with Robert, I think he was feeling a bit twice bitten, twice shy! As usual, some very interesting and valid points by you!😉👌

[@michaelszczys8316]

I played in a band with a guy who was very good but his head was too big to fit through most doorways if you know what I mean. Guitar player same way, one of the best naturals I have ever seen. Musical talent isn't everything, in fact it ain't worth 10 cents if you can get together and play stuff people like to hear, not just yourself.

[@randyjordan5521]

Supposedly, Page hired Plant because he was looking for a strong lead singer like Roger Daltrey. Since Jimmy doesn't sing at all, a strong lead was vital.

[@bobinscotland]

@@randyjordan5521 Terry Reid was the first choice but wasn't available due to touring commitments, then Steve Marriott and Steve Winwood were other options at the time, but they listened to Terry Reid's advice that a young Robert Plant would do well in the job. As for The Who, I always felt they were the only band with a lead singer, a lead guitarist, a lead bass player and a lead drummer....

[@tompease8810]

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[@zosometalgod]

In my opinion Led Zeppelin without John Bonham wouldn't sound anything like Led Zeppelin! Jimmy Page and Bonzo were the top fuel dragster of Zeppelin! page and Bonham always played off each other in John Bonham followed Jimmy's guitar more than he did John Paul Jones base! That's what made them unique!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

‘NUFF SAID, ZoSo! The metal good has spoken!😉👌

[@SeanFlaherty]

"John Bonham followed Jimmy's guitar more than he did John Paul Jones base![sic]". This is a key point! This gives LZ music that "swing" or human/off-beat/behind-the-beat/ahead-of-the-beat tempo. It makes the music unpredictable and interesting. It's totally lost in today's click-track recording method.

[@ThatGuyThanus]

Exactly. I watched a video about bonhams drumming that demonstrated how instead of playing the beat, as in 1 2 3 4, he played along with the guitar parts.. JPJ went with Bonham..

[@DadaNabhaniilanandaTheMonkDude]

I don't see how they would sound like Led Zeppelin without Robert Plant's voice.

[@ludabooze]

When Zep formed, the stars literally aligned. I totally agree that their music superseded the sum of their parts. Although they were some of the most talented musicians on earth, their proliferation wildly topped even their skill. It’s actually hard to comprehend how good they were. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, Ludabooze! It’s almost as if the band was just waiting to happen, but the star hadn’t quite lined up!👌

[@royceinthehouse842]

Michael I feel the same way about Led Zeppelin, Just incredible. What an amazing history lesson you just told. You filled in many blanks for me. Also thank you for hosting with us tonight, great time looking forward next week

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Same here, Royce! I had a ball! Still waiting for your upload!

[@furstlahst860]

Michael, great content, as always. Beck’s Bolero is a magic track. When you discuss Page’s lifting of riffs and songs from Willie Dixon, please do not neglect driving the point home that the entire genre of blues would be nowhere near as omnipresent without Jimmy bringing the unmatched spotlight that was Led Zeppelin. Page brought the fans to the blues. Not the Stones, not Clapton, not Fleetwood Mac - it was Pagey that lifted the blues into the spotlight.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, FL! As 7you know The whole issue of lifting didn’t start nor end with LZ. I’ll cover that as well!

[@tektoniks_architects]

It's impossible to calculate how many bands have lifted/copied/stolen/been inspired by Led Zeppelin....maybe we should talk about that sometime? :)

[@furstlahst860]

@@tektoniks_architects Perfectly stated!

[@sreyna3000]

You couldn’t be more wrong

[@genboomxer]

Nice breakdown. As soon as you said Steve Marriott, I started subbing his voice for Robert Plant's on their first album. Page totally wanted that grit, range and soul for the band he had in mind. Oh what could have been indeed. The hardest part would have been taming each other's egos to make it all work long-term.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Exactly Gen! Ego alone destroyed so many great bands!👌

[@tullskull]

It would have taken a much bigger man than Page to tame Steve Marriot! The only hope they would have have had is if they could of caught the same fire for the musical vision. My God can you imagine "Since I Been Loving You" with Steve Marriot on vocals?!!!!!!

[@ctcards2636]

This man is sending me into a trance with his hand movements/gestures haha. Seriously tho, great video. Thanks for posting :-)

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I’d try to sit on them, but they would just somehow free themselves and take over!😉❤️

[@ctcards2636]

I dont think this band would of lasted very long. Beck wouldnt have stayed long term. Jeffs always reminded me of Neil Young in that sense that hes always moving forward to new things and maybe they will come back to something or maybe not.

[@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328]

Wasn't Page's initial plan to keep the Yarbird's name, and change the lineup to suit? You can see Page TRYING to get something like the Zeppelin sound out of the YB's in some of the final performances.

[@daddybog7189]

Nice coverage on some classic musicians. I'm a friend of Royce's, so I'll probably see you around. Continued success with your website.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I recognize you from the chats, DB! Thanx so much for your wishes!👌👍

[@shinyoneincarnate5565]

1)Roger Daltrey said Moon couldn't play on The Music Must Change from the Who Are You album. He couldn't get the 3/4 right, & they had to use the sound of a pair of boots walking across the floor. Moon was emotional & unstructured. 2) Moon said he screamed, at the song's mid break, because he had just broke a $500 studio mic. 3)Bonham was all about structure & details. 4)Hendrix was emotional & unstructured, while SRV was sounding like him, but you could make sense out of his playing structure. 5) Moon, Bonham, Hendrix, & SRV, whether structured or not, pushed the emotional side to the full extreme.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Emotion! Perfectly said, Shiny!

[@walterfechter8080]

"Beck's Bolero" -- stellar!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes it is, Walter! And for the time, a groundbreaker!

[@walterfechter8080]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine -- To my mind and ears, "Beck's Bolero" is the 20th century's answer to Rickard Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries." Beck and company put some real power into that instrumental.

[@DC-ih8bv]

Michael my friend ..you have the same feeling I do about this marvelous band but you put it into words so much better than anyone. Cheers !!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx so much, D C!❤️

[@dextergelfand7465]

I read Beck's account of that experience long ago. Keith Moon was terrified of incurring Peter Townsend's wrath if Townsend discovered he was seceding from the Who, and quickly backed out.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yep! And he showed up in disguise on top of that! Thanx, Dexter!

[@rickferrari9042]

Also Michael Pete Townshend is an excellent song writer

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Agreed, Rick! I especially loved his double solo album from the 80s, all for the most part past demos with him singing Roger’s parts on them. Wonderful!👌

[@rickferrari9042]

And quadrophenia is the best album ever right next to physical graffiti or higher and the album cover of quadrophenia with the 4 members of the who how their faces are on the mirror on the scooter absolutely a classic..back in the day plant and daltrey looked the same both awesome front men and you can't forget Freddy Mercury as an incredible front man

[@trajan6927]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Pete Townshend is like Paul McCartney. Two of the greatest ALL AROUND singer/songwriters, all around musicians that can play any instrument at the professsional level. Only these two are in that league.

[@rickferrari9042]

Michael did u get to see the video with Elvis and page and moon let me know

[@antarcticorb9197]

Nice segment Michael!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, AAO!

[@winslowredcross2835]

I've read about this. Steve Marriott (vocals, rhythm guitar), Jimmy Page (lead guitar), Jeff Beck (lead guitar), Nicky Hopkins (piano), John Entwistle (bass guitar), Keith Moon (drums). I've always considered this literally the greatest band that never was. Thank you Michael. Great video!!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, WR! 👍

[@detlefmorrison3316]

Terry Reid was asked and he turned down Jimmy page and suggested Robert plant instead.

[@gator2813]

The greatest band that never was that would have made one or two albums and imploded.

[@ijamsum]

Thanks Mike for the Led Zeppelin pre-history !

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

You’re very welcome, ijams! Thanx for watching!👌

[@rodgermaus4538]

I am good friends with Terry Ried, he has told me some interesting things . Terry is an encyclopedia of early British rock. He knew all of them . He told me Robert Plant stayed with his (T Ried’s) parents the night before going to Pages house and how nervous Plant was. . Plant was broke and Page was cheap . Plant soon returned to T. Ried’s parents home because they fed him better than Page .

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

What a great story! I can just see all this in my mind! Wonderful!👌 Thanx, Rodger!

[@juliemanarin4127]

Crazy isn't it? They are the most amazing band ever!!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

And almost predestined to occur it sometimes seems, Julie!

[@jaysantos536]

Deep Purple was the best band of that era....by far.

[@gator2813]

@@jaysantos536 Best band is a matter of opinion. As far as the band with the most loyal fans go I'd go with the Grateful Dead. By far.

[@jaysantos536]

@@gator2813 Thats because they all were STONED the entire time..

[@williambaldridge1203]

I saw all of these bands back in the early 70's and they were great, but I also saw Jethro Tull, and I think they were by far the best band of that time period. Mind you I am not a musician. But I just don't see any comparison of those bands with JT. Don't get me wrong they were all great musicians, But as a band that performed live, Tull was like a huge monster in comparison. L Z Was my favorite band and I had seen them live twice, But when I saw Tull it was like almost never having seen a great band before. But you guys are musicians, and probably know more than I do about these subjects, but I just know what I saw, and it's just my opinion. but It seems like you all are talking like Led Zep was the greatest band that was ever created. I just don't agree. Though they were my 2nd favorite.

[@inspector29]

Michael this was my 1st. Vid , I was TOTALLY Enthralled, can't wait for the next 1

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, David! There will be at least three more these week, with Part 4 of Led Zeppelin Decoded being one of them!👍

[@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328]

Entwistle and Moon had one destiny - to be the rhythm section of the Who. As great as they were they were so unconventional that any band they joined together would have that flavor. Townsend's style was the perfect fit for their busy free-wheeling approach. All three had those years to organically find their voices in that group.

[@bobinscotland]

The greatest surprise was that The Who lasted any time at all, since they had an expectancy to break up within an hour for the whole duration of their existence, such were the dynamics of the personalities.

[@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328]

@@bobinscotland I've likened them (onstage at least) to a wide eyed child running down a steep hill on the verge of tumbling head over heals.

[@helenespaulding7562]

Michael, your fascination with Zeppelin runs very deep…like mine. For me, It’s not the same as my huge respect for other bands I love….it’s more personal for me. Such intriguing and complex personalities in Plant and Page especially…..an aura of danger about Zeppelin, a mystique. I know some of that was contrived by Grant, but it was also natural. What you are doing with this journey is simply marvelous! 🤗

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, Helene! Like you this band is a very personal band for me! They, like the Beatles were able to wear their superstar position with such class and indisputable talent to propel themselves to the stratosphere

[@bobinscotland]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I was late to the Led Zep party, only enjoying the 4th album, and disliking their early efforts at unseating my favourite band, The Beatles, from the top...lol. Once I got into Physical Graffiti, all that changed and I got to enjoy the musicianship a lot more. Similarly with Bowie and Prince where I discovered them fully much later despite enjoying a few early tracks. All that adds to my eclectic collection from Fats Waller to MUSE, with YES and many more in between.

[@GetOuttaTheJohnBoy]

Everyone, Turn the playback speed up to 1.5 for a more normal sounding speech. And yes, he did say "irregardless".

[@joanpahls4520]

Michael, what a treat that showed up on my newsfeed. A liive performance of, "For Your Life," from 2007 at the 02 Arena, London. Fantastic performance , and what an honor to see Jason on the drums.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

That sounds like a full course dinner to me, Joan!😉👌

[@johnnywraie1955]

I've just this morning discovered ya and definitely have subscribed. Speaking of Zep, Holy Houses how I LOVED those guys... I'm thinking it was about a dozen or so of those 8 track tapes that I went thru jamming many days and nights with them CRANKED.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Me too, Johnny! Countless hours, bro!

[@DC-ih8bv]

Remember all guitar players wanted in those days was a band . Beck wanted his band . He went from player to player and band to band. Couldn't find one. Clapton could never settle either. He wanted D. Allman ..he wanted to be in Bonnie and Delaney ..he was jamming with everyone including Harrison.. He could never get HIS band., Frampton the same for a while .. Townsend was never really happy ..but that's just his personality .,a bit like Clapton. However .. Jimmy found his band He crafted it. Hand picked. It was a blockbuster. I fell he left Beck and Clapton in the dust a bit with his success. Clapton and Townsend were never fans of LZ even though lately PT has taking back some unpleasant words about LZ Clapton was never a fan. I think the way Jimmy went about it and the instant success this band had ..especially Plant and Bonzo..two unknowns ..pissed off some of the English players .

[@kevinbrady6075]

Even the wise can not see all ends.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Great observations, D C! I’ll be going into what your talking about as I go along, regarding why Jimmy not only found, but carved out, and why!

[@henryhartley9993]

That's pretty much spot on...

[@jonathanlocke6404]

I think it wasn't just that Plant and Bonham were unknowns, but that they were unknowns who were really, really good...

[@DC-ih8bv]

@@jonathanlocke6404 yes valid point.

[@giulioluzzardi7632]

Fantastic , enjoyed this snippet of music history..bravo and "Encore"!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

More to come, Giulio! Just let me catch my breath!

[@scotv5099]

Steve Marriott was so underappreciated...

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes he was Scot!

[@jonrhythm3686]

To me, Jimmy paired up with Moon is the most intriguing aspect of this story. In a head to head I always take Bonzo over Moon but I can't help but to wonder how Jimmy would have dealt with Moons musical style(or rather lack of) and combustible personality. Jimmy may have been a Wizard but he was also a true professional so I really can't figure how that dynamic would have played out. Either way I dont think it would have lasted 10 years. But damn, it sure is an intriguing thought.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

It is, Jon! I think that at best they would have produced maybe 2 albums before Beck would have quit! Moon would have probably followed Beck out by the third! But in my mind, what a couple of albums!

[@helenespaulding7562]

Jimmy was very nonconfrontational. It would have been Grant who would have dealt with Moon. Now that would have been interesting to see 😏

[@helenespaulding7562]

Bonham followed Jimmy’s lead, which lead to such improv and jamming. Would Moon have ever followed Jimmy? I don’t know much about inner dynamics if The Who so don’t know if Moon followed Townsends lead ?

[@scotv5099]

@@helenespaulding7562 I came here to see if anyone said that!

[@stephenmartin6733]

Moon's almost uncontrollable lack of style would not even last to the first album. Do not forget that Bonham originally had a busy style and Page yelled to simplify so as to not overwhelm. Two, Steve Marriot who can really belt out a song nevertheless not have the vocal range and can add into even further by asking who was to write those lyrics to the song. John Entwhistle was a rock and roll bassist whereas John Paul Jones was classically trained so Thunder fingers may have enabled to really roll. As for Page and Beck, they may have been able to create some ungodly rock and roll, but how were the two ever going to figure out who was to play the lead? So where does that leave them to go?

[@dakotaslim]

You might be the most articulate hand talker ever.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

LOL! Watch Lou Mars in my Artists and Albums that changed Music Forever video! He comes in at a close second, slim!

[@scottlewis8386]

Just subscribed to the tribe. Absolutely love it bro. Truly appreciate your work.✌️

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx Scott! I’m just about ready to shoot part 2 to Decoding Led Zeppelin as I type! Welcome!👌😉

[@scottlewis8386]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine thank you sir. Can't wait

[@danriley903]

jimmy wanted control ( not a bad thing), he would of clashed with beck eventually and he knew it. the rest is history and awesome from both of them.( all of them) great vid, great enthusiasm! thx!

[@easygojunkremoval3564]

Great video Michael, I love your take and the ability you have to tell a story. Thank goodness that they did get moon they ended up with the best drummer in rock and roll. Great job bro

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, bruddah!

[@w.geoffreyspaulding6588]

You mean DIDN’T. Of course…,,and I agree!

[@kokorokate]

This session occurred between the recording session for the Yardbirds' Over Under Sideways Down / Jeff's Boogie single and the sessions for the rest of their Roger the Engineer album. Bassist Paul Samwell Smith left the Yardbirds shortly after the album was completed, about a month after this Beck's Bolero session, and Jimmy Page joined as bassist almost instantly.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Great further info here, and I agree! Thanx,koko!👌

[@chrisfischer9825]

Those hand movements would be great in 3D 😂

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Not according to my wife, Chris!😉

[@chrisfischer9825]

😝 😂 seriously though- the original Disney animators (who actually knew how to draw) would kill to animate this video. Very wise, wizard-like mentor hands lol Thanks for the cool stories!

[@beachhunting69]

Led Zeppelin...the sum is much greater than the parts.

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Fascinating piece of rock history. All giants, but this line-up never would have lasted. Too many combustible elements. Zep was the perfect balance of temperaments. Michael, you are THE MAN! Keep 'em coming.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, Bruce! I think they would have lasted 2 albums maybe! Helen give the very best analysis on this in her pinned comment! Heck it out!

[@artramos8202]

The most interesting Yardbirds period is the 6 months after JP joined where he and JB played a bunch of live US shows. I'm most surprised there's no live video recordings of those shows. Only 2 live shows I know are the Blow Up scene and the Milton Berle TV show.

[@bonanzatime]

I heard that Fred Zeppelin was the coolest guy to ever roam the streets after midnight..

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yeah, but he was a bit schizophrenic! Some say he had four separate personalities!😉👌

[@paradoxstudios6639]

Lot's of their songs had this otherworldly presence that transcends you to other places.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I thoroughly agree with you PS! They take me to so many different ‘places’!👌

[@jaysantos536]

Thank GOD Moon and Entwistle STAYED in the GREATEST Rock and Roll Band in the WORLD..................THE WHO

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yeah, they were right where they needed to be, I agree, Jay! Still, one can dream!🤔

[@henryhartley9993]

Nice one, to many ego's to last more than an album or two I would think, exciting yes longevity no....

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I agree, Henry! Beck was famous for breaking down on tour, so…👌

[@DDWyss]

This is a great topic! I often wonder about what would have happened if that incarnation of the Jeff Beck Group had stayed together, al least in part, instead of Jimmy going off to make Led Zeppelin into a separate band. Even if Keith Moon had gone back to The Who, if Led Zeppelin had been Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, John Paul Jones, Nicky Hopkins, Robert Plant and John Bonham, I think that would have been pretty spectacular!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

OMG, David! A SIX member Led Zeppelin??? I don’t think the world would have recovered! Good lord just think what those 6 guys could have accomplished! Now you’ve gone and done it! You’ve made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up!👌😉❤️👍🤔

[@DDWyss]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I had read that at some point, as their music became more complex, Led Zeppelin considered bringing in another guitar player, but were reluctant to bring in a new player which might alter the band in unpredictable ways, and they didn't want to risk it. But if they had those six players from the get go, there would have been no limits to the musical boundaries they could push! 🤯

[@dextervortexsungte5348]

incase you miss out, not to mention terrace james raid, aka terry raid, a session musician, was almost a member of the new yardbirds (so imagine what if) unfortunately terry declined jimmy's offer and later he recommended robert plant and bonham of "band of joy" to see on thier LIVE. since terry raid was going to be busy with rolling stones as a supporting act tour

[@garydavenport3321]

Diggin this🔥🔥❤️. Thank you

[@kevinmarshall353]

I always thought that Cream combined with steve marriot would have been a proto zeppelin

[@36karpatoruski]

I seriously doubt Jeff Beck would have stayed in this mythical group as he changed directions in the Jeff Beck group to a jazz rock hybrid artist. And - although lifelong friends with Page, I think there would be conflict over both leadership and genre focus between them. I could also seen Moon and Page having issues. Marriiot and Entwistle would probably work out ok, but it would have been a different sounding band. They would have very good though - too much talent there to not be. I have no idea about Hopkins, not knowing much about his personality.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I agree with your whole analysis! I would add that second man out woulda been Moon!👌👌👌

[@jeffbaker2979]

I agree with you. I think we might have received one album from them (maybe two as they cranked ‘em out pretty quickly back then) before they broke up. Knowing what these cats were capable of, if they all collaborated on the song writing, I think we would have some pretty cool, unique stuff. 30 Days in the Whole Lotta Love, anyone?

[@andylampert-media]

Very interesting!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, Andy!👍

[@MJTheDJ1964]

I heard that Terry Ried was approached to join before Robert Plant, but couldn’t sue to prior commitments.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes he was, Jack! But that would be two years later in 1968! Jimmy sure had the cream of the crop to choose from, man!👌

[@peterdoe2617]

I once heard that, when finally forming Led Zeppelin, he was shooting for Clem Cattini as a drummer. It'll be interesting to see if that is a valid information.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I’ll be covering his options pre Bonham as well, Peter!😉👌

[@ericblakeney5153]

I had dinner with Clem and he confirmed that Pagey in fact offered him the gig. It was kind of known throughout the session world.

[@MrCherryJuice]

Cattini says he was invited twice to meet with Page and/or manager Peter Grant, but was too busy and thus never went. Once Zeppelin hit big, Cattini asked Grant if the meetings were about him joining Zep and Grant nodded to the affirmative. I won't comment further on the matter of drummer options, as Michael has indicated he will be doing that. Oh, and Cattini says he has no regrets, noting that he was happy doing sessions in London...and that he wouldn't have wanted to have long hair. I met him 10 years ago. He's a very down to earth and unassuming chap - a nice fellow.

[@OutOnTheTiles]

Great episode! Looking forward to the next edition. ✌️❤️

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, OOTT!

[@cronixblack6582]

great video most intreasting, one of the best bands ever Led Zeppelin!!!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, C! I agree wholeheartedly!😉

[@joanpahls4520]

Michael, I was listening to that song by Spirit called Taurus versus Stairway to Heaven. There are similarities, however ,within the first 30 seconds there's seven mathematical discongruencies. It could have been maybe a subconscious exposure, but mathematically, it's not a copy. Not with that many differences in 30 seconds. Case closed. Thank you

[@joanpahls4520]

There's a note that's missing in the Spirit song pretend that's a numerical number and from that numerical number is a double jump like numerical jumping it's absent so there's no way can be considered a copy. The algorithm in the Physical Realm is two once you noticed a third discongruency, then you're beyond what is acceptable of what you would consider a copy in the Physical Realm., I counted three then I counted another three and then another one I stopped listening to the Spirit song Taurus. It's not a match not enough to be considered a copy too much difference mathematically. Thank you so much

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

And to that, I say… Amen, Joan! Exactly what I hear!

[@LAboomR]

Another great video Mike.👍🏻 When you look at the first Beck solo LPs with Rod Stewart you can sort of see how Jeff felt Jimmy copied his thing. I heard Kieth said “lead balloon not Zeppelin?”

[@billtaylor3382]

Great info Michael, Btw where can I get that lighted Zepp on your wall? Like I said before they are my favorite.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Check out my video ‘Unboxing My Led Zeppelin Wall Art’ video. I include the company I ordered it from, Bill!

[@billtaylor3382]

Okay, thank you

[@hekakain4108]

I keep thinking you are about to do a magic trick or some other kind of illusion with your hands waving about the place like they do. Subbed.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Welcome to the Tribe, Heka! Want a magic trick? Watch what I pull out of a box, in my next video!🪄🪄🪄

[@colinmartin2921]

Marriott's manager was approached by Page asking about Marriott's availability for Zep, but was warned off in no uncertain terms. Don't forget that Marriott was an accomplished keyboard player, which would have been useful.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

He certainly was warned off! And yes, he was a wonderful asset for any band at that time!👌 Thanx, Colin!

[@colinmartin2921]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Cheers. I think that it was incredibly sad how Marriott destroyed himself with drugs and booze; so many talented rock stars have gone the same way.......

[@tullskull]

I'll give you that Zep comes out on top in the 70's but for a while Tull was just as big and they were playing more complex music and had a flute taking solos for crying out loud but they just never seemed to be able to take themselves seriously which did them no favors with the press. The fans loved it but I don't think most realized at the time that Anderson was making fun of all of us while we were giving them standing ovations!:)

[@rayquintal403]

It would of been interesting of how much the two guitarists would drive each other to higher levels. I have heard stories about the opportunities before the four Led Zeppelin members created what happened to be lightning in a bottle. Than did it again over and over. It was fate they were meant to be. Jeff Beck was and will ever be the more talented of the iconic three guitarist that came out of the yardbirds.

[@justinlehti4193]

Keith didn't say "... go over like a lead zeppelin", he said lead balloon... that stuck with Jimmy

[@gilobregon]

Don't know if it has already been said here. But, I just watched a documentary on Keith Moon in which the narrator explained that when Page voiced his (and, presumably Beck's) idea of a bluesy hard rock band, Moon blurted out that such a hatched group and sound would go down -- "like a lead balloon." Page stored THIS in his memory banks and only sometime later did he, himself come up with the, Zeppelin, part of the name. I still think that the group should have been named, Cardboard Dirigible.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

There y’ go Gil!😉👌

[@bobinscotland]

Ironic that Beck was frustrated by being a pop act, but the following year, once he had Ronnie Wood (bass), Micky Waller (drums) and Rod Stewart (vocals), he was made to churn out Hi Ho Silver Lining ( song that Rod was going to sing but was refused by Mickie Most). The TRUTH and BECK-OLA albums that The Jeff Beck Group produced were the real forerunners of the Led Zeppelin sound, with other acts like Crazy World Of Arthur Brown and Atomic Rooster carrying that sound along beautifully at the same time.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I agree, bob! I listen to Led Zeppelin and Jeff Beck almost neck and neck! I love the whole sound of that time, dude!

[@1957kevy]

I thought Keith said it would go down like a led balloon ? That's what I read in various books

[@davidhall1075]

Keep me updated.

[@michaelrochester48]

Have you ever listened to the PJ Proby album that contains all the members of the group except for Robert plant?

[@luvbasses5487]

Mike you nailed it - my thought on “the history of rock” that is. I’ve always said to people who ask me “what do you think of this or that” concerning rock music. Here’s what I tell ‘em: my thoughts on the history of rock music? simple - Fifties: Elvis. Sixties: Beatles. Seventies: Zeppelin. Eighties: Van Halen. These artists all brought forth something that wasn’t there before them…and none of their contemporaries at their respective timeframe could outfox em. Elvis really was a prince from another planet. His unmistakable angelic voice and good looks set the mold for plenty of spin-off teen idols. None to be as big as Elvis. The Beatles WROTE THEIR OWN SONGS. This was unheard of at the time. Sinatra or Elvis didn’t write songs. The Beatles did and the only other to break the trend of covering others was Dylan. Come to the late sixties. Cream and Hendrix dominate the land but there’s still room for the next big supergroup. I heard Robert say once that “we were not gonna do that bubblegum crap!” He’s of course referring to that Herman’s Hermits/Gerry & Pacemaker/Merzy sound. Zeppelin made sounds that weren’t there before them. It was absolute precision all around within the four members. Then comes VH in the late seventies to save heavy rock from extinction. It’s safe to say that they did. And no one can be Eddie. No one. He invented what EVERYONE tried to replicate during the span of the eighties.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Exactly lb! They created sounds that weren’t there before!👌

[@trajan6927]

Michael Jackson dominated the 80's. As far as rock n roll, yes Van Halen.

[@luvbasses5487]

@@trajan6927 I was referring to rock and roll. Believe me, I’m fully aware of MJ but as far as a rock guitarist grabbing the world’s attention by 1980, it was certainly Edward.

[@robertacolarette1594]

Michael, if you’re going to be discussing the intricacies of the birth of Led Zeppelin, I want to be front and center. I have done a Zep deep dive during the pandemic and what has just astonished me is the vision and tenacity of Jimmy Page and of course his determination to create this groundbreaking band. I really enjoyed this video. Thank you. ❤️

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thank you Roberta! I think a deep dive is about due!👌

[@robertacolarette1594]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I remembered something that I heard Jimmy say in the film “It Might Get Loud”. He was describing his session days and how in his words “I could wear many hats”. He said he was told before they began any music “just add light detail, Jim. Whatever you like”. He enjoyed that. Then one day he came into the studio and he had music in front of him that he had to play exactly. He said “I knew I was through with session work; but there was so much more I wanted to do”. I just try to imagine what is going through the head of a genius like him when he talks about doing so much more. It’s completely exciting and fascinating.

[@thewizard6077]

I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Peter Grant many years ago, and contrary to his popular persona, was a true gentleman. I know that Simon Napier-Bell managed the Yardbirds during the period you describe in your video, and was the person you mentioned who claimed credit for producing Beck's Bolero, and remained the manager of the Yarbird's until late 1966, when he asked Peter Grant to take over as manager of the group. Peter was with Jimmy the night he met Robert Plant and heard him sing for the first time, and of course, John Bonham came through Robert. It was truly an amazing experience meeting Mr. Grant, and he had such wonderful stories of Led Zeppelin, as well as Bad Company, Chuck Berry, and others who he had worked with in the past. I will always treasure those memories. Peace

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

What a great story, TW! You also know your history!👌

[@MrCherryJuice]

Yes, it was Plant who introduced Grant and Page to Bonham (who had no interest in being in the band), but Terry Reid notes that in addition to pointing them to Plant, he had recommended Bonham as well. His band and Plant's had done a gig up north where Reid said he ended up also doing the sound for Plant's band.

[@EvilJester119]

I’ve been a fan of Led Zeppelin since the summer of 1972 when I bought Led Zeppelin’s first album. I was fortunate to be able to see them in concert at Madison Square Garden in 1977 (The first LIVE concert of my life). Since then, I’ve read most of the books that were written about the band. This is honestly the first time that I learned that Jeff and Jimmy were close to forming the band. Thank you Mr. Noland.

[@mistermerlin8917]

I find all this fascinating. You should teach a course at university. I've heard that Bonzo was the best drummer for LZ, Moon the best drummer for the Who and Ringo the best drummer for the Beatles - I think I understand that now.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Exactly, mm! It’s not always about the chops, man! Sometimes it about the fit!👌👍👔

[@vrvaughn]

I keep waiting for this guy to do a card trick..

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Nothin’ up m’ sleeve!😉🪄

[@vrvaughn]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine 😂🤣😂 It’s the hand gestures… reminds me of the closeup magicians who used to work the parlor at The Magic Castle

[@rodinkumar3628]

Very interesting insights into some very important history of Led Zeppelin… it was all Jimmy Page’s vision and it took the rest of the others including Peter Grant to come together and realize his vision ..

[@glandelectro]

Jimmy Page didn't join the Yardbirds until 5-6 weeks after the Beck's Bolero session, after the infamous Oxford May Ball concert where Keith Relf got drunk and Paul Samwell-Smith quit. Which is why Page initially joined on bass, not guitar.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Absolutely! He was offered the job in 1965 and turned it down. Jeff then took the guitar spot! Thanx, ge!👍

[@thekitowl]

Moon may have said “ it’ll go over like a lead Zeppelin “ to Page but it definitely came from Entwistle . It’s the reason John didn’t show up for the session.

[@heyhuey4429]

Didn't J P Jones, Page and (maybe) Bonham play on Donovan's 1968 "Hurdy Gurdy Man"? (Those drums really sound like Bonham but recollections of others differ). When were session notes invented? I know George Martin was fussy about documenting everything but even his notes were occasionally disputed by the lads. Martin became a serious Beatle fan when "Please Please Me" was written.....and with good reason.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes, Huey! Bonham and Clem Cattini , along with Jim, JPJ, and Alan Holdsworth were all on that record!👌👍

[@pskully57]

Did you know, Terry Reid was almost the singer of Led Zeppelin? He was at the NAMM show one year and told the story how Jimmy Page asked him to join. but he was managing the Stones on a US tour. He told Jimmy he would sing for them when he came back in two months. But as he tells the story, when he came back to England, Jimmy Page said, "We've found a singer and he's sight better looking than you mate". He also said he was the one who knew John Bonham and gave his phone number to Jimmy.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, pskully! He even suggested Robert to Jimmy!

[@pskully57]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I didn’t know that, when I met him, he was with Seymour Duncan, who was winding a pickup right in front of us.

[@tschieding]

If this session was the precursor to Led Zeppelin, then it likely was the same for the original Jeff Beck Group, which featured Nicky Hopkins and included "Beck's Belero" on it's first album, "Truth". And, by the way, The Yardbirds were anything but a "pop-rock" band when I saw them in the summer of 1967. They were, I think, the heaviest thing going at the time. Jimmy Page made sure of that!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

It certainly was as much a precursor to what Jeff Beck would do as it was for Zeppelin later! Truth is amazing! Thanx, Tvs!👌

[@bobinscotland]

The sounds created by Jeff Beck Group in Truth and Beck-Ola albums were the backbone of the heavier sounds that Led Zep were looking for, with Atomic Rooster and The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown being the other big influences of that period for The Yardbirds.

[@saminislam2043]

Hey Micheal, I would like to hear on your take on Peter Grant. Almost none seems to talk about his importance for success of Led Zeppelin.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Peter Grant is coming in Part 2, Samin! 👌😉👍✌️

[@zosometalgod]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLinekzbin.info/www/bejne/p3WqlZVsmpxmjbs hey Michael check out this young ladies Zeppelin reaction! She's a K Pop fan but she gets and understands Zeppelin! I'm glad to see the younger generation digging Zeppelin!!

[@philweeks8459]

I'm looking forward to that as well.

[@DC-ih8bv]

Peter and Jimmy basically ran the band the first 7-8 years until drugs got the best of both. Then Robert became the voice of the band. You can see Roberts command on stage in 1977 when he was fantastic.

[@adampoe2797]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Good!

[@grahamhowes6904]

You’ll,hate the fact that I cannot remember this guys name beyond ‘Mac’ - he was a drummer from Birmingham who used to dep for various bands from that area - so he would play for Slade, Wizzard - he played for Gong on occasion. However he told me that he belonged to the “Pete Best club” - he was called up by a Brummie vocalist who wanted to know if he’d join their band. He had a gig with Jeff Beck so decided to stay put and recommended his old friend John Bonham … yes he turned down Robert Plant and Led Zep! He was in our pit band for a pantomime that I was in starring comic Ted Rogers.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I know that several drummers were approached during this time, but their names escape me at the moment!👌

[@MochaDaisy8645]

The “Led Who-birds” - Annette Carson, Jeff Beck (unofficial) biographer

[@brianwolle2509]

i saw zeppelin three times including the one time they opened for the who.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Ol’ Pete Townsend musta hated that evening!👌

[@trajan6927]

​@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine back in the day The Who opened for The Beatles and Stones from 1961 to 1964. No animosity with those guys. Townshend did not have a problem with Page or Zep at that time. They were all friends. Most of those bands all got along well with each other and friends to this day.

[@ernestaguirre4300]

PJ Proby's album "Three Week Hero" featured Led Zep including Robert Plant (harmonica, back up vocals) as session players just prior to them releasing their first album

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx for the info, Ernest! Wasn’t aware of that!😉

[@mrmott44]

Screaming Lord Sutch put groups like this together.

[@MochaDaisy8645]

Without question, this would have been my favorite rock band of all time. Forming a band with all named herein was actually proposed at one time but these plans were “stalled on contractual hassles”. When the first Jeff Beck Group formed with Rod Stewart, Beck wanted a band name and identity but the manager, Mickie Most, wanted to continue riding on the success of “Hi Ho Silver Lining” (the A-side title, Beck’s Bolero was the B-side) with the Jeff Beck moniker.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Amen to everything you just commented on, Bc! Thank god, Mickie was outmaneuvered between these two excellent bands! What worked for Jeff would never have worked with Led Zeppelin! He always insisted on too much control! Good work, Peter Grant! Nice one!

[@dancalmpeaceful3903]

Love those first two Beck albums....powerful stuff.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Me too dan! I cut my teeth on those albums!👌

[@kwmusic4560]

They wouldn't have been Led Zeppelin, they would've been something completely different.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

And nowhere as long lasting, KW! Not with that crowd!😉

[@gilobregon]

Exactly! And in that case, they would no doubt have called themselves, Monty Python's Flying Dirigible!!

[@douglascarducci6977]

Zeppelin came down to pure unadulterated chemistry amongst the members to form a synergy of brilliance. Thanx Mr Page for being aware of the magickall workings that could be created by doing that...he is and will always be a genius

[@edwardgonczy3170]

Enjoyed this. I had heard this before and "got into it" with a woman from another KZbin video who told me in no uncertain terms that all these stories are nonsense: none of it ever happened because all the musicians involved were all so tightly controlled by their managers and contracts. I think I like the way things turned out anyway. I like The Who for what they are and like Led Zeppelin for who they are. And Jeff Beck really did predate Zeppelin with his Truth LP and I heard that he was not too happy when he heard the "acetate" for Led Zeppelin I and then Rod Stewart goes and burns him by joining the Faces behind his back.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx, Edward! You know there are far too many sources backing these stories up, sources substantiated by sources who did get along, or didn’t like each other etc… We’ll get to the Bottom Line of it in the end!😉

[@bobinscotland]

Just to clarify, Rod Stewart didn't "burn" Jeff Beck by joining Faces behind his back. Jeff had already broken up the band in July 1969 having sacked Ronnie Wood then re-hiring him. Rod Stewart didn't join Faces until October 1969 and had signed a solo deal separately with Lou Reizner's MERCURY label the year before, on the proviso that he could not record before July 69. I think that was sufficient notice for Jeff Beck to find a replacement if he wanted to keep the band going, but Jeff was demoralised by the US Tour of 1968 and was looking for new direction by then. They still managed to produce another album together and do two more US Tours before Jeff broke up the band in late July. Jeff Beck Group were also listed on the promo material for WOODSTOCK in Aug 1969 but had split up by then, with Ronnie Wood inviting Rod to come and meet the boys in FACES with a view to joining them....which he did in October... remember Rod already had his solo deal working by July, and had also recorded a demo session of 3 songs with Python Lee Jackson (including the hit "In A Broken Dream") at the request of his friend John Peel who produced the sessions. That session in April 69 coincided with the recording of the Beck-ola album, so Rod was still very committed to the band right through 1969. I'd say the sacking of his mate Ronnie Wood (with Micky Waller having gone already) would have been the final thing for Rod to decide it was time to move on and look after himself.

[@edwardgonczy3170]

@@bobinscotland And Jimmy Page put the nail in the coffin LOL. I saw The Jeff Beck Group at Fillmore East in May 1969. It was the first concert I ever saw at that fabled establishment and quite possibly the worst. You may remember that Jeff, in his book, pretty much disavowed drug use during the 60's with the possible exception of a rare "toke". But he said he and his bandmates were not above a "drinkie-poo" now and again. On this particular evening they headlined a bill which included NRBQ and Joe Cocker. They came on stage and acted very strange; the music was all over the place. After two lackluster numbers, they put down their instruments and walked off stage (Nicky Hopkins was officially in the band that night). Bill Graham came out shortly and said: "the band has the flu. I apologize but that is the end of the show." I could tell by the tone of his voice he was not a happy camper. Bill did not suffer incompetence well. Anyway, if all you say is true, it wouldn't take much to make this unprofessional bunch of clowns unhappy with one another.

[@bobinscotland]

@@edwardgonczy3170 Well-known for drinking... in fact, Faces later had their own bar ON STAGE with them and would serve each other during the songs. Rod had suffered from nerves a lot in those days, often hiding behind the amps and speakers.... not the flamboyant frontman of a couple of years later. I put that down to all his previous bands from 1962 being mainly as a second singer playing harmonica rather than being the front man. All that changed with Faces as he was wanted there and felt he belonged with his old mate Ronnie.

[@tektoniks_architects]

I would loved to have heard the dynamic between Superlungs Terry Reid and Jimmy Page, Michael!

[@royrice6656]

Loved Beck’s “Truth” album! 👍

[@arthurreilly2795]

Thanks!

[@AbleBodied]

Interesting how Jimmy Page couldn't boss Paul Rodgers, during the the Firm. Which is the main reason why the band broke up. Jimmy reported in a 93 interview, "Paul was hard to get along with." My thoughts on that Jimmy comment, Paul was too established and famous, to be ruled over, even by Jimmy.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yep, Able! If Jimmy wanted to get that kind of control over Paul, he would have had to do it before Bad CO’s first album! After that, all bets were off!👌

[@rudymikula7129]

The Supergroup that would have resulted would have blown the doors of of Rock. The first zeppelin album was earthshaking. The album by the group that never was would have been released around the time of Jimi Hendrix, but the twin guitars of Beck and Page would have been interesting. The main difference between LZ and the Supergroup is that in LZ Jimmy recruited unknown musicians who evolved into an amazing band while the other group would have been musicians who each had their own identity. Who knows how the SG grown, but LZ grew into an amazingly tight and creative band. I really like Beck's Bolero though.