The 2020 Porsche Cayenne is a Subtle Reminder To Skip The Base Engine

[@theredline]

Good morning guys and happy Sunday! We start this video with a quick update to what’s going on with our 2018 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS. Car is still in our garage for now... Porsche is also finally sending us our very first press car next month, a 2021 Cayenne Coupe S, so expect a follow up review very soon! Stay safe and thanks for watching as always ☺️

[@harryli6138]

hi Sofyan, how much did you pay for your lease on the cayman GTS? Downpay and monthly pay?

[@natetarbox6660]

Harry li If you search “Porsche Car Configurator” or “Porsche Build and Price” on google and it takes you to this webpage that has all the Porsche models. And so you’ll pick which one you want and configure it. Then at the summary it shows the price if you purchase and the lease price and down payment. All that stuff. But in the end your probably want to check your local Porsche dealer to see how much it would be in your area. It could change because of sales and stuff. Here’s the link to the website: www.porsche.com/usa/modelstart/all/ Hope this helped! ☺️. You can ask me if you have any more questions. Because I worked at a Porsche dealer then I quit and made my own business. I worked at Porsche of Syracuse but I would recommend you NOT go there. The boss tells us to haggle the people into giving us as much money as possible and all that BS. So I personally go to Porsche of Westwood. Sure it is a long drive to get there from Upstate NY but they are the best around in my opinion. (Idk where your from so it depends where you are from how long a drive would be) Very nice and honest people. I’ve bought a many cars from them. What I’ve bought from them- (In case you were wondering) 2020 Cayenne Turbo. 2018 911 GT3 6-Speed. 2017 911 Turbo S. 2019 911 Targa S 6-Speed. 2018 911 GT3 RS. 1964 911 Turbo. 2019 Panamera Turbo Executive. 2020 911 Carrera S Cabriolet 2019 Cayman GT4 And they helped me order a Taycan Turbo that should arrive in July. They helped me order a 2021 Turbo S Cabriolet, which we don’t know when it will be here. And I’m getting a Carrera GT and a 959 delivered there in June from Washington. I also bought a friend of mine a Macan Turbo from there. (And I’m only 26 so who knows what the future holds. Maybe 918 Spyder which is out of my budget but my dream car.)

[@angeldustfairy]

Can you do a video with all of the options?

[@craigscott7315]

@@natetarbox6660 Sounds like you have no budget. 🤩

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Sofyan, Way to call out the Porsche brand pricing nonsense. $85k plus for a base model and still lacking features you get on SUVs costing much less is really wasteful.

[@yankeedoodle6293]

bassandtrebleclef I’d buy a 2-3 year old one at extreme discount along with an extended insurance up to 150k miles 👍

[@marcoulibarri5744]

@@andrew.woolman7449 yes it is out of reach from us peasants😉 but the majority of this cars are leased and given back after a few years. The depreciation on a new PORSCHE SUV is atrocious.

[@mudman6156]

Andrew.Woolman I couldn’t agree more. Only idiots buy these vehicles. Thankfully, there’s plenty of idiots in the world. They buy these new, generally by getting a leased vehicle. That’s even better because then they’re forced to take care of it. And when the lease is up, they end up on the “Certified” used car market at 50-60% of their original price. AND THAT MAKES THEM BECOME AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE NEW CARS FOR THOSE NOT WILLING TO SPEND $100,000+ for a car that’s going to loose half its value by the time the lease ends. So I watch these videos to get an idea of what to buy next. My current vehicle is a BMW 4 Series hardtop convertible, fully loaded. It’s a car I could’ve never been able to afford if it was new. But it was used...with ONLY 12,000 miles on the odometer for HALF the cost of a new one, and yet, it still looked and drove just like a brand new car. If some sucker wasn’t there to throw their money away on a car that would depreciate that much, I would’ve never of been able to own and enjoy it. Three years later, it’s been absolutely rock solid without so much as a hiccup as of yet. Even the battery’s lasted well past it’s replacement time frame, so I’m about to replace it anyhow.

[@ralexander9495]

@@andrew.woolman7449 It's self inflicted

[@mindhunter8772]

@@mudman6156 So you're saying, Rich people that may never go broke again, are Idiots for buying a car like that?.....SMH

[@leveraged6694]

Steering wheel (Optional): $1,200

[@graceli1878]

Jaguar asking 900 for backup camera

[@TheGecko213]

@@graceli1878 Audi used to charge extra for back up camera and Nav bundled together. Never bought any cars from the VW group, NAZIs

[@angeldustfairy]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SD-pi9co]

@@graceli1878 I just installed a backup camera on my 24 year old truck for $25. LOL

[@cowanscott9047]

The base is fine (I have owned both the base and the S) if you don't go hunting for the red line. It's not that kind of car.. The S has a more raw and nicer sound and is louder across the rev range with the bulk of the extra power only available above 4k revs. I love it! Remember, the current base has way more torque than its predecessor and never feels lacking where you need the power/torque the most on a daily basis. The sporting pick of the range is going to be the GTS or the Hybrid if it fits your daily needs better . Don't get me wrong, I love my S and would happily stick with it if I had to, but the GTS will give me that additional oral pleasure and low end torque even though its only slightly more powerful. Good review!

[@bigmacdaddy1234]

For the asking price, the base is just not good enough.

[@Porsche1969]

It's quite funny, because a guy like him is always "super-critical" about entry level versions of cars like a Porsche Cayenne. But what does he expect? Having Cayenne Turbo S-E- Hybrid figures and driving feeling in a for Porsche standards quite inexpensive 80.000 Dollar base version of a heavy SUV??? For such a heavy entry level model of the Porsche Cayenne line-up with "only" a 3 liter V6 engine, it's surprisingly dynamic to drive and a very satisfying vehicle! Here in Europe the Cayenne is a really big SUV, but which of course is class leading in terms of driving feeling and driving dynamics. Porsche just produce class-leading sports cars, cars and SUVs, no matter if its "just an entry level model" with an Audi built 3 liter V6 engine, which by the way is a fantastic engine. This guy really has no fucking clue what makes even the "normal" Cayenne with its base engine to a Porsche! Because he's just cruising in typically boring US sub-urban style like an old fart, while talking about "driving dynamics" and the Cayenne rear axle biased all-wheel drive system... LOL! How can he feel the advantages of the more dynamic Porsche AWD, when he's just cruising with this Cayenne in a totally lame driving style on boring speed limited straight roads without any corners and without feeling the difference to other heavy SUVs, especially when you really use the brakes hard in such a heavy vehicle? This is totally ridiculous! This guy seemingly has no fucking clue how good and sporty even such a base Cayenne can be, if you really move it like a Porsche! Even such a base version Cayenne gives you a quite sporty feeling, because its chassis, steering and brakes are class leading, which let you feel the difference between a Porsche and an Audi Q7 for example, which he mentions several times in this video.

[@cliffgolf4193]

Totally agree with you, the "base" 2020 version 3.0 v6 340 ps is enough and powerful enough to win against most of suv, for me I have one and I reached in the high way many times 260km/h easly and without sport chrono package !! Only I put sport mode and the cayenne response is magnificent!! And for me it is sure worth the quality power price!! Last thing the first 10k kilometers the steel suspension was pumping kind of bouncing because it doesn't have the adaptive suspension but even with steel suspension by porsche after around 10 k kilometers time the mechanism needs to adhere the suspension working perfectly and the bouncing effect disappears, so yes I think that the guy in this video doesn't tested this car like it need ! My god its one of the porsche you can buy and be so happy without spending a fortune..

[@georgepotcovaru2595]

​@@cliffgolf4193Hi ! I'm planning to buy a 2018 Cayenne 3.0 gasoline at pretty much half the NEW price at 42k miles. Have not been in this 'league' before and honestly not sure what to expect in regards to reliability/maintanance fees. Any suggestions ? Thanks !!

[@bfielder9097]

I actually like that Porsche allows you to tailor the options to your liking in a more individual type way. Problem is the prices are just ridiculous.

[@mudman6156]

There’s far more truth to that than most people realize. Back in the 60’s and 70’s, that’s how all cars were sold. Option packages didn’t start until the 80’s. Option packages are incredibly annoying because I can only get certain options with certain colors of paint, as if one is related to the other. Or I can only get certain rims with certain options packages. I’d rather pick my own options and dump all these stupid packages. Just price the options directly in proportion to their actual value instead of multiplying by 10 or more like Porsche does.

[@jacobbwalters8133]

The ability to tailor your options is exactly why the options cost so much. Automakers like bundling options together to obtain economies of scale and manufacturing efficiencies.

[@bfielder9097]

@@jacobbwalters8133 No you're right and that's a fair point, but at the same time when Porsche's safety suite is an extra $6500 and it comes standard on every Honda that kind of sucks. It's just kind of crazy that on pretty much every Porsche you can double it's base price just by adding options. And I know Porsche isn't a mainstream brand so you're going to pay a premium and you should. I think any reasonable person understands that but also any reasonable person understand that some/most of their prices on options are insane.

[@PYYYYYY]

Tailor means extra cost

[@bfielder9097]

@@PYYYYYY WELLLLL if we want to get technical tailor means in this context to make or adapt to suit a special need or purpose. But yes obviously having so many ala carte type options it will add to the cost. That and many of Porsche and other luxury brands have many options that tend to be pointless or unnecessarily pricey.

[@hellkitty1014]

Sofyan: "This drives nothing like my 718." Cayenne: "I'm its 5000 pound big brother. What do you expect?"😅

[@CanadianMax]

Yeah.... Sometimes I wonder about this dude

[@MyerShift7]

To take it out back and shoot it between its ugly frog eyes.

[@MrPorschecrm]

Own a 2014 Cayenne now w 100k. Nothing has been done except recommend maintenance and replaced tires. It is a reliable vehicle and you can keep them past 3 years. Ask an owner

[@mudman6156]

Actually, you got lucky. These aren’t reliable at all. About the only reliable car that’s German made is a Volkswagen...and even that doesn’t do very well. And I happen to drive a German car. I just don’t keep them to the point that they become unreliable. You want reliable? Buy a Toyota. They’re also BORING.

[@edwinalfredo310]

@@mudman6156 all in all your point is "RELIABILITY MEANS BORING"

[@sassafrasjoness3167]

What engine?

[@philippernice8769]

17k for engine upgrade ? Sounds excessive

[@twfinc6855]

I agree its one of the best looking SUV you can get.. its gorgeous !!

[@WaywardAnalysis]

Thank you Sofyan, and thank you to all who continue to provide fresh new materials at this time....really really appreciated. Not everyone gets these vehicles for showroom factor, there's no way I could afford leasing this car or any car as I drive almost 50K/ year.....love the lack of exhaust sound and the upgreadeable sound system of 1500+ Watt (instead of exhaust sound)...would get the 19" tires and spend NFL sundays with "Red Zone" with my 3-4 Daily Fantasy Sport friends as we cruise for 10+ hours.

[@amfitness5598]

Still weird to refer to this as the “poverty model”...I say that as I’m still in my 2012 KiA Sorento LX👀

[@marcoulibarri5744]

@AM Fitness I'm still driving my 08 Audi A4. Its paid off and I'm using it as a daily.

[@edwinalfredo310]

I have a 2011 kia sorento lx and I have to say, the kia has a lot less black piano plastic on the interior than this Porsche.

[@braetonwilson4296]

lol that really made me think of Sofyan as an arrogant elitist snob! He probably shouldn't have said that!

[@CanadianMax]

@@braetonwilson4296 he is pretending

[@chriscallas2066]

This dude is out of touch. You can tell how far behind he is because he wears shirts that are supposed to fit toddlers

[@twilliams8041]

"Porsche does whatever the hell the want" That's true. Their mission is to extract every last dime from the customer that they can get away with and they become quite good at it. Shareholders expect maximum return on their investments....

[@d05wtt]

That’s such a stupid comment by him...I’m pretty sure all the brands do whatever they want.

[@goobert83]

$4500 for 21in wheels?!?? Jesus, they made out of adamantium or what?

[@bennykwok603]

Wow, it is refreshing to hear someone who is so brutally honest. I can't wait for your review of the Cayenne S as I am in the process of "downgrading" to a Cayenne from a 911 and am toss between the base model and the S. Great review!!!

[@La-yt1wr]

When I heard it I thought it was a 4 cylinder I would definitely get a performance exhaust if you own a Porsche with a 6 cylinder.

[@mudman6156]

Oh, hell NO!!! Not for $3600. I’ll hum loud exhaust notes before I spend that much for a sport exhaust. Keep in mind, Porsche is DOUBLE CHARGING YOU. That’s because the exhaust that would’ve come on the car has a value as well. But they’re not taking that cost off the car’s sticker price before they add on the cost of the sport exhaust. And that sport exhaust doesn’t increase the vehicle’s power. It’s just the muffler and exhaust tips that they’re changing....for a cost that’s nearly twice the cost of a full sport exhaust system for nearly every other car. So if you really want to know how much that sport exhaust is costing you, go to a Porsche dealership’s service department and ask them what it would cost for you to have the standard exhaust put on the same car. Then add that to the options price for that sport exhaust. THAT’T WHAT YOU’RE REALLY PAYING FOR THAT OPTION. That’s one of those hidden cost that are sitting right in front of you when you purchase a new car. So when they tell you that you can’t be refunded the cost of the original hardware, simply ask for it back. Let’s see if they’re going to hand you a new standard muffler for this vehicle.

[@WaywardAnalysis]

Curious, are you into lane swerving, race-track racing....a NASCAR wannabee? Trying to figure what type of people dream about exhaust sound....

[@whatevernevermind5960]

Passenger seat: $1200 Airbags: $2600 Mirrors: $800

[@CalvinHikes]

Driving a Porsche: priceless. that's what they expect buyers to think

[@TheGecko213]

Wheels : $5000

[@SD-pi9co]

@@TheGecko213 Hubcaps: Priceless

[@ed2098]

The thumbnail looked like a pic of a new airliner with cayenne on side👀

[@nick_k.6000]

Porsche: air in the tires is a $500 option lol 😂

[@Neomet010]

Drove a base Cayenne. Meh... Drove a Cayenne S. Bought it. The 2.9 transforms the vehicle.

[@theredline]

We're looking forward to driving the S next month!

[@amirmasoudsepehr4947]

@@theredline They giving you a press car? That's unheard of! 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[@mudman6156]

And your wallet! It transforms it from full to empty.

[@Neomet010]

@@mudman6156 LOL True, I am afraid that is a standard part of any Porsche experience. :-)

[@BimmerDude330]

I beg to differ. I was surprised at how peppy this engine is. I drove a relative's base 2020 with Sport Chrono ad Spyder wheels. This things jumps harder than expected. For city and even highway driving, it is plenty extra. Coming from an F01 740li.

[@trevormacdougall9385]

I dunno...sounds pretty darned good to me for base.

[@backseatdriver8902]

This is a Porsche motor (2.9L) that Porsche co-developed with Audi. They were both involved with developing this motor. Audi wanted it to replace the S4/S5 engines and RS motors. This motor comes with twin turbo and is used in the RS4 and 5. Porsche uses it here and in the Macan Turbo. They made it for the new Panamera and uses a big turbo to make 460 hp at the time. This is a great Porsche/Audi engine that will end up being used in 10+ models and produce between 350 and 500 hp.

[@JohnGuidetti751]

No this a 3.0 engine different to the new (2.9) co developed engine that is in the RS4/5 not s4/5

[@klausmuhlhoff1464]

I own a 2020 Cayenne with the base V6 3 liter motor and its an absolutely lovely drive , intuitive and throttle ready I'll add that I'm not a boy racer the only things that I don't like is the small back window and the new infotainment system . I'd prefer old fashion push buttons . the money I've saved by buying the base over the GT Cayenne will allow me to purchase a Cayman base Sports car . my preference would be a 911 4S . Cheers

[@DoctorSkillz]

Ah, the BMW 320i of the Porsche Cayenne.

[@teemo988]

His Porsche Cayman is the 320i equivalent :)))

[@jasondong9721]

Porsche Cayenne base is by no means a BMW 320i the engine is actually pretty good for a base the 320i is just slow! Go drive it

[@DoctorSkillz]

@@jasondong9721 I have one. It's slow.

[@KTBTVHD]

Don’t you love how ppl make assumptions based on a comment 🤦🏾‍♂️🙂

[@Noah-ui1iu]

I have a problem when a $20k Corolla has adaptive cruise control but an $85k Porsche doesn't.

[@braetonwilson4296]

@David Farley On a planet where you leave the house with $102,000 in your pocket to buy a 2020 Porsche Cayenne out the door but you end up visiting a Toyota dealership and buying a brand new 2020 Toyota Corolla SE sedan for $22,000 out the door. Knowing that you just saved $80,000 of your hard earned money will make you LOVE your Toyota driving experience. Should I keep going, David?

[@CanadianMax]

@@braetonwilson4296 please keep going, I still don't understand

[@brynnleahnayvieghlaykynnn6175]

Braeton Wilson if you can afford a 100k suv you will not even think of a corolla and it really isn’t worth it to save 80k because if you’re paying 100k for an suv u are t stressing about Money

[@yankeedoodle6293]

I watch many car channels. This is one of the best, Thanks Sofyan 👍

[@casecarter77]

I recently purchased this vehicle and it has enough power to move out it’s a Porsche it’s not a GTS but it’s also not almost 200k trust me you will be pleased!

[@georgepotcovaru2595]

Hi ! Could you share, how is the reliability/maintanance costs on this vehicle ? Would you recommend it ? Am planning to buy one used at 42k miles in great condition, but don't wanna end up with a car that breaks the bank. Thanks !!

[@jasonsmith1143]

85k I will take the Toyota Landcruiser.

[@zixi2067]

Toyota lc200 hahahahah have fun with this piece of shit

[@grizzlyman329]

Boring Toyota with a 4 cylinder lol😂

[@theemotionalremix]

​@@grizzlyman329 4 cylinder? The Land Cruiser comes with a 3.5L V6 engine. 3.3 if you're buying the Diesel.

[@hellkitty1014]

Classic Porsche. They've always charged a la carte for many options that are standard, even at MB and BMW. That worked for a while on the 911/Cayman/718 because those buyers car a bit less about those luxuries. But the Cayenne is catering to a different customer, and charging absurd $$$ for heated/cooled seats(no heated rear seats), extra leather, etc. is insane. The Cayenne S should be Porsche's true base model. Night and day difference and more in line with the character of Porsche. That engine is so sublime!

[@sasothestrategizer]

I think Sofyan was feeling himself that day with the “poverty nonsense”. Porsche and Audi has been helping each other out for decades which is why I love specific Audi’s. Like my SQ5. I have a Porsche engine. I actually think I made a good decision.

[@smcgowen4533]

I agree with you that he must have been feeling himself that day with the poverty comment. 👎🏾

[@barrygoldwasser5449]

Soyfan, go back to the old format.

[@IAmAPhan]

It's new, give it time. If it doesn't really work, he'll go back. The old format has been copied by everyone, do you really need to experience it again?

[@bneyens]

3:00 - “It will looked TIMELESS for YEARS”

[@mudman6156]

Timeless my ass. The original looks old as dirt. And this doesn’t look all that different, at least on the outside. Except for the back where they too stole the light bar style from Lincoln (they had it first), it looks outdated all ready. The Lincoln Aviator is a much better looking SUV with nearly the same level of quality. But that light bar on the back...that always was a Lincoln styling cue, dating all the way back to the early 60’s.

[@MyerShift7]

It's a Porsche SUV. It's a dated sign of the times no matter what.

[@cb9137]

I swear the engineering behind Porsche is incredible

[@lexuslife9751]

Great video, thank you Redline Reviews!!! The Cayenne is definitely one of my favorite Luxury SUVs, but I would definitely get the wood trim package!! Thank you for showing us, can't wait to see you review other more well optioned Cayennes !!

[@tuolumne9]

Can guarantee product strategists at Porsche & VW Group are not worried about any of the MLB EVO products are in any way being cross shopped with a Genesis anything, anywhere in the world outside of The Republic of Hyundai/Samsung dba South Korea.

[@emmanuelrodriguez1043]

You guys can have it this year! I’ll wait a little for the depreciation 😂 🚙

[@adrian3686]

*Lmao… this reviewer totally misses the point. The top Cayenne (Turbo GT) also has an “Audi engine”. Does that mean we should skip the top dog Cayenne as well? He doesn’t understand what it is like to really drive a Porsche, which in itself is worth the premium (not to disrespect bmw, audi, mb, etc., but those are clearly lesser brands).*

[@ramonj08]

People that buy the base model of a luxury brand are just trying to get into the brand. Those same people are the ones that aren't going to take care of the car or do routine maintenance, which is going to suck for the person that ends up with the car next.

[@craigscott7315]

Stereotype much? How arrogance one can be.

[@redreadyj8916]

That’s a lie ! Most buy a luxury base for reliability! Not to race up and down the road to get a speeding ticket.. yes you could for a bmw for more power but the reliability isn’t there ! This base would last for 200k miles or so ! Start getting into more power and you’ll have more issues later but most people want reliable car ! I have bought base model vehicles in the past and I always took care the maintenance! As a matter of fact since you want to go that route the less you spend the more you can pay for maintenance!

[@CayenneTurboDriver]

I got a 2019 Cayenne S and it is the best car I have ever owned! 👍👍👍

[@joeybrooks5625]

Base pricing with the base Cayenne is fine. It's just that in-stock units all have over 20k+ in useless options making the car a lot more expensive than it should be. The base Cayenne is also a very uninspiring drive. Not enough power, feels heavy and clunky, but steering and handling is decent for an SUV.

[@brandyag]

The body shape reminds me of the new Ford Escape. And thank god im poor bc I cannot afford this suv being that Porsche charge you for every extra that’s on the vehicle when it’s standard on other SUV’s.

[@mosesberkowitz3298]

Body shape of the car or the reviewer? Yes, he reminds me of a Ford Escape too.

[@d05wtt]

Of course you can’t afford it. If you could, everyone would have one....then Porsche wouldn’t be a luxury vehicle.

[@marcusvision]

Then again you have to understand the only people that BUY this suv, has money to burn 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@bactablack1384]

A fully loaded Cayenne is about the same price as a (slightly) used Cayman GT4. Look it up. Not that the Cayenne isn’t nice, not to mention far more practical, but I’ll definitely get a GT4 instead. Brilliant review as usual 👍🏽

[@whitenite007]

Apples and oranges.

[@hermanwan3392]

My family owns a cayenne s, and we are very glad that we didn't get the base model. The s model although is VERY lazy in normal mode to save gas, putting it to the sport mode chages it to a whole different car, and it's very punchy. The engine souds all right to me ears too.

[@VMPhilosophy]

"Unlike the typical German brands Porsche makes you pay for everything thing" dude, have you spec'd a Beimer lately? Audi seems like the only German luxo brand that packs little features into larger packages. The rest nickel and dimes you to death.

[@jeffs6090]

You have a year left on your 3 year lease on your Porsche? My dad was in the same situation a few months ago, and he was able to get rid of it free and clear. Porsche was allowing lessees to turn in cars a full year ahead with zero penalties or payments. Check to see if that's still a thing they're doing if you want out of the lease.

[@theredline]

That's interesting to hear, we will look into that! Thank you :)

[@eriknephrongfr8847]

So, the S version you recommend in this limited spec would be $102K. That’s nonsense.

[@videoassets]

Boom, and that’s why I love my base 2020.

[@briangray5921]

No one buys these, smart people lease.

[@blazerboiz5996]

Brian Gray smart people hve never leased, your spending over 20k to rent a car for a few years and are left with absolutely nothing at the end of the least🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@GhostPrime21]

hm... so 20kmore and u get a beefy 4.4 v8 x5mcomp

[@mudman6156]

Brian Gray NO...smart people buy these after the lease is up and they become “CERTIFIED USED CARS” at half the cost of a new one, because the first owner took it in his shorts from all the depreciation cost. What other item could you possibly buy that looses nearly $700 to $800 a month in it’s actual value? Whatever your down payment and monthly lease payment is, that’s about how much the value of this vehicle depreciates EVERY single MONTH, even if you don’t drive it. SMART? Hardly....STUPID? ABSOLUTELY!!!

[@johnburton2771]

Sofyan just has to be the best looking car review presenter ever! ( although, Hoovie ain't bad! )

[@brynnleahnayvieghlaykynnn6175]

Hoovie do be kinda daddy in a way...

[@JohnBCrozier]

I know this comment is a little late in the game, however the base 2929 Porsche Cayenne with Sport Chrono package offers plenty of back tingling speed and torque. The car reviewed here does not have the Chrono. The Chrono package makes a BIG difference.

[@vincentthomas28]

GV80 is gonna stir things up in this segment without a doubt

[@joshuastein5295]

Maybe for the Japanese competitors like the MDX, RX, and QX60, but I'd be hard pressed to find an owner of a BMW, Merc, or Porsche who wants to step into a Hyundai dealership. They really need to further themselves from Hyundai, no matter how good their cars are, many luxury buyers don't have positive things to say about Hyundai sadly.

[@mikecui9428]

I think the genesis is at the same class with bmw, Benz and Lexus, Porsche is half to one step above.

[@brynnleahnayvieghlaykynnn6175]

Drama...

[@GG-si7fw]

Try taking a first gen Cayenne S with similar power/weight, base suspension, no sport exhaust, and finish midpack at a local PCA autocross and tell me that its slow. I had a 2018 loaner, previous gen, similarly spec to yours and said to my wife that I would be faster than my 2008 CS autocrossing it. I bet the 2020 is even better autocrossing than the 2018.

[@stephaniehenry9264]

With all these complaints about the options being more expensive then other brands, you know you do have the option of not buying a Porsche as well.

[@barrygoldwasser5449]

$2,000 headlight assembly units, each. Ridiculous. And the plastic lens looks like crap in a few years. Audi/Porsche worst plastics in the business. Lease, never buy. Never.

[@MrSizzle7]

Owned a 2016 Porsche Macan S, the little brother basically. Porsche makes great vehicles, but their nickel and diming for additional options is rather ridiculous. I like the looks of the Genesis GV70 and might buy one of those next.

[@danjarupath]

In Thailand, You can buy it for pricing 8-12 millions Thai Baht.

[@CalvinHikes]

Its fine that all these companies work together and share platforms. But I'd hate to buy a Porsche with an actual Audi engine in it.

[@huggie43]

The only thing not optional turn signals and sun visors 😂

[@dreamhorse279]

Rumor has it that Porsche is gonna charge 1k for oxygen in the cabin. Sounds like a fantastic deal for a essential feature.

[@zachao9259]

The Korean Brand will never be up there as a rival for BBA and Porsche.

[@sopheathunofficial9793]

Why I feel this car look too simple! doesn't look premium at all...

[@blazerboiz5996]

your opinion doesn’t matter

[@edwinalfredo310]

Your opinion is a fact

[@borninhk1]

How willing are the sales executives to allow for negotiation in terms of pricing?

[@kheirfrancis22]

Love this, it sucks that they charge you for some stuff that should be standard, but it is worth it. Cayenne has always been in my opinion top 3 German SUVs that are reliable and are durable as well. All it needs is a 3rd row, along with the coup and hybrid and electric, it would be the best German SUV hands down

[@A_guan]

I love the Porsche chimes in their new cars

[@alexandercupples]

i have a loaner 2020 gle 350 with 255 hp. talk about the base engine to skip.

[@yankeedoodle6293]

I’ve got the poor mans Cayenne - the VW Touareg TDI- quite a powerful car along with a 700+ mile fuel range. At least my car is unique and not very common 👍

[@Nikica40]

I actually think Touareg is visually the best VW grp product atm

[@ethandong1313]

2012 Touareg owner. Best car, always reliable

[@Ck76_Vancity604]

The base model in "Comfort Mode", when in idle, does anyone notice the engine noise is really droney, even it has been warmed up. Not really "Comfortable" in Comfort mode. However, it can b fixes when u pop it in the Sport Mode. I guess Porsche wants you to drive in Sport Mode. Although this engine has exact same spec and output as BMW X5, the throttle response is not as fast as X5 40i. Test drive both.

[@tommy516]

I have a 2019 base Cayenne, this car is exceptional in Base Trim, the S is a rip-off, the Hybrid is the only reason to upgrade. This channel has obviously never driven the prior version base, it was awful, this car is quick, responsive and very comfortable. Also, it drives nothing like a Q7 or Q8 which shares the same engine. The base model Cayenne is very very good.

[@MyerShift7]

And still an ugly monster for people with more dollars than SENSE.

[@tommy516]

@@MyerShift7 Ive had all the newest Porsches and this is my favorite. Currently have a Coupe S. But, none are bad, they're Porsches!! Also, I don't know what doesnt make sense about them, they are quick, very safe, VERY comfortable, have an amazing media setup and if you option it up, has very very good level 2 self driving.

[@eluc9]

Seems like most of the hate comes from the price of these things. Which in turn means most people can’t afford them (wether they’d like to admit it or not). So to make themselves feel better, they try to pick apart everything about the Cayenne. Can you spend $10k-$20k less and get a fully loaded Q7 or BMW? Of course you can! But it’s still not a Porsche. I owned a Q7 for years and absolutely loved it! Now I own a Cayenne and love it even more. There are big differences between handling, drivability, and even resale compared to X5’s, Q7’s, and Cayenne’s. Bottom line, if you can afford it, rad! If not, a kick ass X5 and Q7 will do just fine.

[@tommy516]

@@eluc9 what’s funny reading this now is, I currently have a Cayenne coupe S….it’s amazing!

[@generalarl]

Safety should always be standard

[@SarahJames2669]

I'm in the market for a Luxury SUV that won't Bankrupt me at 23 so I'm gonna Buy a fully loaded Acura RDX over the Porsche cause I'm not made of money lol and tbh I love Acura I'm probably gonna get haters saying they suck but oh well Ps I love the channel and your reviews keep it up From Boston ^^

[@brynnleahnayvieghlaykynnn6175]

Don’t get an mdx unless u buy it used. No point in buying a new one they’ve aged hella

[@SarahJames2669]

My budget is 37 Grand actually i saved sense I was 15 my 1st job

[@alanhung1428]

Or just get a used Lexus. More luxury and reliable than the Acura.

[@CarGeek360]

I love Acura and Porsche too

[@simoncquach]

It's an overpriced VW for those that say the same about Toyotas. At least Toyotas are great reliable cars.

[@DecemberMoon]

According to consumer reports, Porsche is also a very reliable vehicle.

[@mziwendukuntsele671]

@@DecemberMoon So the Audi-based underpinnings are good?

[@DecemberMoon]

mziwenduku ntsele Sure

[@ro0ster648]

@@DecemberMoon According to Porsche owners, spending $2000 a year on maintenance and repairs is considered as reliable where as a Toyota owners think that spending more than $200 a year on maintenance and repairs would make them consider the car as unreliable. Consumers surveys don't tell the whole story, got to take them with a grain of salt.

[@braetonwilson4296]

My girlfriend drives a Porsche Cayenne and I drive a 2020 Corolla SE sedan. She's always trying to borrow my car lol, says it's more fun to drive. I don't blame her, weirdly enough, it's more fun to drive my Corolla than her Cayenne. The main thing is that the Corolla just feels lighter and easier to drive. More fun to fling around corners. They really made the 2020 Corollas way more fun & sportier compared to the older Corolla generations.

[@rayveloso9781]

Mine with sport Chrono package is making 5.1 s 0-60 ..... make sure to add it .

[@NeedSpeedRC]

Is the GV80 really a competitor in this segment? I doubt anyone who is interested in either a Porsche, BMW or MB will cross shop anything outside of the German trio.

[@theredline]

salali Tell that to the 10,000+ people who have put down a deposit to preorder one already!

[@NeedSpeedRC]

Redline Reviews Fair point. The sales figures will be interesting for buys leaving the German brands. Personally, I doubt the majority of those who wants a Porsche, BMW or MB will cross shop the GV80 solely based on value. High priced options are nothing new for the German brands and they still sell. Like it or not, certain brand logos equal success.

[@joshuastein5295]

@@theredline Again though can't really prove how many come from German brands. I'm betting a lot of GV80 buyers will be coming from Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, as well mainstream Asian brands. Many German brand buyers are very particular and the idea of buying a "Hyundai product" leaves a bad taste in their mouth.

[@joshuastein5295]

@@NeedSpeedRC Agree, many German buyers are particular and still view Genesis as re-badged Hyundai's to which they equate to their 80's products. In my opinion Genesis needs separate dealers, no BMW, MB, Porsche buyer will step into a Hyundai dealership, and even they don't want to sell you a Genesis (I know from personal experience) and they don't even try to showcase their vehicles, there often at the back of the lot. Also the GV80 seems to be less of a value compared to other Genesis products, there are a bunch of Genesis forum members that seem to be arguing and angry at Genesis for pricing the GV80 higher than what they would have preferred.

[@2Greenlid]

I always cross shop to make sure I’m getting value for my money, have owned BMW, MB, Porsche & now driving LR, looking to replace LR now and will consider all options..

[@md8744]

Buy this one much better than bmw x5 about back seat reclined and I love this one

[@geraldnau425]

Outstanding review as always. I get this for my wife who won’t care. So all good.

[@juwon1234]

This is just stupid over priced car. If I even have the money to buy it, I won't. Everything is extra. Even your life is extra.

[@princea9615]

We have a 2019 macan S great suv very fun to drive it’s a race car in a suv.

[@jlsc4125]

quite odd to have the tachometer the main dial, hope that's changeable. It's an automatic, and statistically most people do NOT use the paddle shifters primarily.

[@DanielA-vk2ls]

Hey guys. Do you know if there is going to be facelift any time soon? I would like to buy the Cayenne but not sure if I should wait or just get it right now

[@a3chowdh]

100% agree. test driven an X5 the other day, cayenne base does feel seriously underpowered. buyer beware!

[@morganvon5664]

I've been test driving Audi Q7's. Very loaded for about 75k. The same Cayenne with Air suspension and driver assistance pkge might be 90k. Seems like the Audi is a decent value (comparatively)

[@COZNA]

Recently drove this car. I agree with your assessment. I cannot find the value vs the BMW X6 m50i.

[@marcusvision]

Getting all the add ons can pay off my new Camry 😂

[@2Greenlid]

Yes, but you are still driving a Camry.....

[@marcusvision]

@@2Greenlid yep and it's everywhere and will outlast that 🐀 looking SUV 😃

[@betaorionisdrums]

Tune it and get another 100HP and Torque, Base model now has a much better value proposition. TCU tune for the YF also.

[@videoassets]

My base 2020 is a half second slower 0-60 than my 2013 Audi A6 Prestige. I’m good, thanks.

[@teemo988]

Yall trash talking about this base Cayenne. When it literally cost more than a BMW X7 & Audi Q8

[@samsharma9207]

Great review. I drive an X5 40i and felt similar about the base Cayenne when I drove it. The S felt comparable to my 40i. One thing I wish you would do when comparing is to also compare relative prices across competitors. My X5, with almost every option, came in at $86K. A comparable Cayenne base hit right at 98K, which would be the cost of a comparably equipped X5 50i. The S with the same options as mine came out to $114, which is X5M and GLE63 territory. Porsche just doesn't make sense to me at the SUV level. Nothing quite drives like a 911, but an X5 is better than the Cayenne price to price.

[@za_2050]

That steering wheel is better looking than my face

[@teemo988]

This dude call the base model “poverty line”, while he drive a Cayman????????

[@jcur3118]

Drove the S and the base. Steering was decent but nothing to write home about. Recently I drove a Rav 4 which tracked like it is on rails. Super responsive and on centre focused. Good on Toyota for that, bad on Porsche. Power was smooth but not stellar as you mention. I was a little disappointed in the cornering. Too much lateral force will cause it to scrub a bit. My X7 does better than that. Not a huge difference, mind you, but better planted. What I didn't like is the "glorified Volkswagen" feel. Too much road and ambient noise. Yes, I know the BMW is much quieter, as are the GLE and GLS. In fact the X7 is much quieter. More like an S Klasse. Not really a comparison but going from one to the other is a unique experience. The Cayenne is a good car, no doubt, but you're basically buying a name, not performance. Cheers.

[@DJEddieXZ]

Can you test a bare bones base model, the one that starts at 60k with no options and compare to the ones like this?

[@theredline]

This is about as close as it gets. Porsche dealers rarely stock a bare bones model like that unless its special ordered.

[@elroz1675]

CarandDriver and Motortrend tested the base Cayenne with chrono package and registered 4.9-5.1 seconds in 0-60. So if you are not going to actually test acceleration on this one (though this channel is "redline reviews") then how about some research and numbers from those who have tested it on the skid pad, figure eight, and 0-60.

[@CarGeek360]

Yeah I hate it when car reviewers call cars lackluster without actually testing them and giving them a fair chance

[@f181234]

Honestly I’d rather buy an X5 looks better and that straight six is so good

[@gp1683]

I disagree. The base is the one to have. Does everything you want in a daily driver and has plenty of power.

[@borninhk1]

Are the Porsche sales executives amenable to negotiation in terms of pricing?

[@BrogeKilrain]

So why doesn’t Porsche put a Porsche flat motor in Porsche SUVs ? I’ll take a Japanese V6 any day and buy 3 cars for same as 1 German . Had it with extreme parts and repair costs Krautmitten cars

[@theredline]

Because every Porsche SUV is based on an Audi platform.

[@BrogeKilrain]

Audi needs to get those Porsche engineers to push that engine back over front axel like Porsche pushed engine forward in 911

[@borninhk1]

But Porsche is made in Germany, as opposed to the USA for BMW/MB. This also means you can also do European Delivery in Germany!

[@nureaiza]

New Cayenne's are made in Bratislava which is in Slovakia

[@sdjrinc.6921]

Caranddriver got the base cayenne 0-60 in 4.8sec that's considered slow now.

[@backseatdriver8902]

LOL, yeah he thinks so. It propels an S4 to 60 in 4.4 seconds and does fine for the Macan Turbo, Panamera, S4/5, SQ5, RS4, RS5, RSQ5 & more...

[@XavierMathewsEntertainment]

Time to update the camera equipment. Maybe get a Red camera or something.

[@vasiliyl9577]

Very good explanation of Porsche Cayenne. I am deciding between this and X5 and I am pleasantly surprised to hear that X5 drives better.