The 2024 Acura Integra Type S is TOTALLY Worth IT! 9 Reasons why :) (Analysis from '23 Teggy Ow

[@ohrandyrandy]

Great video. SH-AWD would've added about a thousand more pounds. Kudos to Acura for bringing the ITS in at only 3200 pounds... same weight as my 99' M3. My M3 has 240hp and I can get to 60 in 5.5. With 320 horses this thing is going to be a pocket rocket. All these complaints about extra luxury features miss the point. I have all those in my 2023 Acura MDX Type S Advance. The ITS is a SPORTS car first, luxury is secondary. Also, don't worry about the price. It wont be 52K. It will be about 10 to 15K more than that. 😐

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Yes! Sounds like you are having some fun! I do think it'll be a sweet car, and PLENTY of car for the price. I totally agree with you. Acura is making this car to be a rocket...people don't realize just how good it is going to be...but they will! Acura has tuned Teggy S in ways that will make it drive completely different than the current 2023 Teggy 6MT (2023 is amazing in its own ways). I am super curious how it'll drive, and just how it will differ from my own Teggy 6MT :)

[@paulv22]

If you look at a Mk 7 GTI and Golf R, AWD added about 200lbs.

[@marvingrinage5423]

Affordability, craftsmanship, performance, style, reliability, proven racing enginereed manufacturer, and fairly good gas mileage and prestige! Makes this a competent competitor across the board! Great work and appreciation to [ Honda/ Acura ] engineering/ manufacturing!!!❤

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Well said, well said! Completely agree! I stand by this initial review, and recently posted my review after putting 3k miles on it fabulous car!

[@daboxer181]

Good video!

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed! Hope you have a chance to test drive the demo!

[@daboxer181]

@@PlasmadaeDal out of curiosity I googled the track time from a 2016 Cayman s. The civic type-r which is the Integra s beat it around Nurburgring! By like 3s.... That's amazing when you think about it .

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@daboxer181 Seriously is. I think it's gonna be an amazing Driver's car and can't wait to give it a scoot around town and see how it actually handles. I think several have compared it to the Porsche, and I personally consider it a Porsche on a smaller scale, but it definitely can hold its own, clearly! Some have stated it's even better than the CTR, which is quite impressive because CTR is a nearly perfect car!

[@daboxer181]

@@PlasmadaeDal well smoking tire did a review I'm sure you've seen it. Matt absolutely loved it . Called it basically a perfect sports car. I have an frs but want this. Never thought I'd want a fwd sports car again because I had a civic with h22 years ago but this thing is on rails it seems . I don't need burnouts or fishtailing I love feeling grip, hitting on ramps and off ramps , I have a blast at 6\7 tenths driving my frs lol. This thing has more power, adaptive suspension... I hated the back end but it too grew on me fast. Front end looks marvelous . I want this car . I too though it's somewhat Porsche like , it does it all like a Carrera s .

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@daboxer181 That's awesome! I'm so glad to hear everyone loving this car! When Acura announced, and then showed the prototype car in Indy Pearl Yellow, so many were thinking it was blasphemy because it only had 200HP and wasn't 2 door. I warmed up to it and made it my mission to show just how excellent this car is, and then seeing the Type S come out so soon was really a surprise! I think all of us who understand the Integra legacy knew there would be a Type S, but so soon was a surprise for sure and to see Acura deliver in a car like this is a dream come true! I haven't watched any driving impressions yet, I want to drive it and see how it handles the first time all by myself ;) I was talking to an Acura rep this weekend, and asked if the 5HP was a marketing thing to make a statement about just how good it is, and he said likely nobody is gonna drive it thinking it's only 5HP more than CTR...in short, it's a killer as far as handling and performance goes to where everyone loves it...everyone :) Loni Unser drove the Integra Type S up Pike's Peak this weekend, and she set her personal record. Last year, she drove a Porsche Caymen GT4 Clubsport, and this year she was over a minute faster than in the Porsche! It's likely a combination of better weather, her skill improved, and more familiar with this track, but to set a PR in the Integra is pretty freaking awesome!

[@mikemccormick6128]

I started watching this video with my TV sitting on the couch, but with all of those pop-up banners on the screen, I was forced to sit closer to the TV and press pause a bunch of times. Those pop-ups are very informative and useful in my opinion. I disagree with the vast number of commenters on pretty much all Type S videos that I have seen so far. I do think that the Type S is worth the $52,000 price. I'm guessing for me, it will be closer to around $56,000 with tax because I ordered one in Apex Blue ($600) and all-season floor mats ($200). I originally wanted a Type-R, but I was quoted a $15,000 mark-up, so I went with the Type S at MSRP. I ordered mine about a month ago and hasn't arrived yet, but I'm pretty exited about it. I currently own the 2015 Civic Si and was considering the 2022 Si, but I feel that 0-60 in 7sec is just too slow for me.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Glad you are finding some useful nuggets in there :D As far as the 2022 Si, it's definitely enough power for most people, and when you couple the 6MT with the experience, I think it's got tons of excitement. The 2024 Integra is an ABSOLUTE blast to drive... The price is a slight sting, and it's hard to put into words how it's worth it....but seeing what Acura has done with just about everything lately, I've come to trust that they will make the right decisions that will help others enjoy driving. The Integra Type S is one of those cars that people will be loving for years to come and once you take a ride in one, it's clear. Seriously an awesome car and high on the specialness scale! I'm happy you've got yours ordered...you will not be disappointed! The difference between the Civic Si is pretty incredible.

[@zmelli]

With Direct Injection, how do you keep the Valves clean? Tried and true port injection lends a few unique advantages in performance applications that DI does not: It prevents carbon from building up on the backside of the intake valve, has a cooling effect on the air flowing through the port, and provides a very homogenous charge mixture into the cylinder.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Good question! Seems like manufactures are going with GDIs for better performance and favorable fuel economy...I guess we shall see, right?

[@varnan316]

Pre-ordered a black TypebS. Deposit dropped back in April.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

That's gonna be HAWT! What were the top three motivators for you to take the plunge?

[@BlueRice]

the perspective of the people whos not wealthy is something to think about. honda was consider a premium sport car that is not the cheapest but rather affordable for a premium product. its a really fun car to drive. the maintenance is cheap, the insurance is cheap, good mpg. front wheel drive makes insurance cheaper than rear wheel drive. if you factor all of it - it makes a lot of sense. this is the view point of people in the 90's. honda has the racing breed team with their market department and makes a car that is truly balance for the company and consumer. even in the 90's it wasnt consider a cheap car by any mean, but it was cheap compare to high end sport car that cost way much more and and no refinement like honda. some company focus on certain thing, like just raw speed - some focus on engine like rotatory which is just different but not really good qualities. honda balance everything, cost, reliability, high revving engine, looks, small displacement that no other manufacture did that time that was fast N/A. if there was a rating system, honda have points for each stats. now lets get down to pricing. there are so much more exciting car beside honda. you have AWD, rear wheel drive big engine with way much more power. there's so much thing you can do with a rear wheel drive car like drifting. the millennial dont have the taste of car enthusiast like old gen people. they dont understand what makes a car different. most if these new kids likes auto and dont know how to drive a manual car. price a car this high wont get their attentions as well as the older gen people. honda gen people that love honda will want something different now. they may never own a rear wheel drive car and maybe lean toward those car and other brand. the price they put on this car make then toward their head to other sport car. although, civic type R is their best selling sport car its not much of a different than type S. its just another engine on different chassis that looks nicer. if they lower it for maybe 43-45k thats prob enough to be way more desirable.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Well said, and thank you for your thoughtful comments. I do think a lot of folks are comparing this to the CTR...rather, it's an upgraded Integra, so the price differential is for this scenario. If we look at it only compared to the CTR, we'll be disappointed, because the price differential would be 6k (50k minus 44k)..it's not...the CTR has the great engine, right? But the CTR is a serious track car, you will feel it driving like one...Teggy S on the other hand, will be a serious Street racer, perfectly balanced is what we will see, but tuned quite a bit differently! In that sense, it's gonna be a completely different car to drive than the Integra 6MT, and even CTR...that's where people will likely be surprised ;) When we drive it is when folks will get it...otherwise, it's difficult to wrap our heads around it. The price differential from Civic Si to CTR is about 15k. From Integra to Integra Type S, it's even less than 15k...so Acura has priced this very appropriately for the US market....we have a very aggressive US market to thank for that...fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how we look at it. :)

[@abcdLeeXY]

$52k before any options for a subcompact sports sedan is ridiculous

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I think we need to wait to see what the Type S comes with, because Acura usually includes quite a full package by default...so we shall see. For example, the TLX Type S starts at 55k, but adding some of the premium wheels and a few other things you're up to 58, so it doesn't add a ton. Although this is a compact car, it's actually pretty big and has tons of storage included!

[@izzyiz810]

So let's go back to the most basic fact car companies have been shoving down our throats since the FWD revolution of the 1980's. Japan claimed their dominance in cost cutting was the use of FWD over RWD. They claimed the FWD platform can reduce the cost of a car up to $8k to 10k. But here we are, with a 320hp fwd costing more than the 400hp rwd nissan Z. The RWD 455hp camaro. The RWD 460HP mustang. And the same price as the RWD 384hp BMW 240i. So where's the classically known 8 to 10k on FWD pricing reduction??? Add in that there's no AWD, no auto option, obscure leatherette, and cost cutting materials on the door panels and lower car panels! I dont see the value in this car at all. It will be trampled by ever RWD cost competitive option out there. You gotta anally master bate yourself to Honda youtube videos to believe this car is worth 52k before ttl & fees.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Thank you for your input. Yes, here we are...cars are WAY more expensive than they used to be, so its all relative, right? All those cars mentioned can be really fun cars to have, but they don't necessarily discount what Acura has done, which is build a SUPER fun car! The HP factor, thats all relative for me, because it's not all about power, but the exciting experience you get driving, and each car will handle the HP differently. Also, people have a hard time controlling a ton of HP, and so Acura takes a different approach to this and is very much about the "balance" and control of how it drives. It'll be a super safe car to drive, and that counts for something ;) Acura promises to deliver on the performance, and we'll see soon enough what it is truly like to drive it. When the current Teggy came out with "only" 200HP, many were turned off...but when you drive it... you wonder, how the heck can Acura pack so much punch into this little engine? A LOT of folks were sad because they were told that fundamentally 200HP is just not acceptable...Ive proven that to be a complete misunderstanding....Its just a fun drive and plenty of power for most people. I think in terms of HP, Teggy S is running into the same thing...not enough power "for the price"...BUT When you drive it...it's gonna be a complete BLAST! Pure balance and fantastic experience, it's gonna be easy to drive and you don't need to worry too much about losing control. So the "worth" of a car is up to the buyer of course, and what they are willing to spend, but what Acura does with FWD is pure magic. They are really, really good at it! Its difficult comparing every car out there 1:1 because every manufacturer does their own thing...not every engine will be easily compared, but this is a very good thing! Acura drives all those cars and they then do what they think we will like for a different experience. Honda may have saved money by using FWD in the past, but these days, they use it as automotive magicianry! Honda and Acura know how to make an effective FWD, there is no doubt about. In many ways Acura is in a class of one...and if you compare it to other cars on paper, it may not make sense, like the 0-60 stat that we sometimes get hung up on and what hardcore drivers say, but most people want something super fun, but still safe, relatively fuel efficient, and all that. Check out the gas prices for some others...TeggynS should be fairly affordable for fuel efficiencystandpoint. I'm with you on the pricing...I wish it was cheaper than it is, but realistically, it's expensive to build a car like Teggy S...but when we drive it....holy moly! I think Acura will make people smile! I'll know for sure once I drive it, but Acura continues to surprise each time I drive their cars. Remember when manuals were the mark of a cheap car? They are no longer! Now they are PURELY for fun! Which Teggy S will jlhave exclusively. It'll be good...I'm fairly certain. Does that mean those other cars aren't worth it? Not necessarily, but here I wanted to show 9 reasons why Teggy S will be so good!

[@izzyiz810]

@plasmadaedal Everything you're saying is SUBJECTIVE. What I said is NOT RELATIVE... It's an objective truth. You can't talk your way into changing reality no matter how many liberal businessmen have influenced the culture to devolve our minds of common sense... The Integra is STILL a front wheel drive platform. All the competitive cars I mentioned come in manual as standard except for the BMW. RWD chassis are still 10k more to produce. The Integra K20c Motor is an advancement in the world of K20 motors. Not in the world of ALL MOTORS. The VR30DDTT is a weapon of mass destruction by comparison of the K20C. Acura sadly has not done anything to make this car worth its price. Most of its direct competitors are faster and perform similarly for less money. Elantra N $34k. 0-60 5.1 VW Golf R $46k 0-60 4.9 Mazda 3 AWD turbo $38k 0 60 5.5 seconds At best the Integra is a 44k car... 46k if you want to rip people off. At 52k? It's laughable. And all the prescripted essays won't change that. But thank you for your Acura sponsored marketing. Enjoy your first year of sales. Cuz after the fanboys buy them up year one and half of year two? This car won't sell. It's not competitive at all.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@izzyiz810 Thanks again for the feedback, i appreciate your thoughtful approach. Acura is not building a WoMD here, teehee, but they are building a highly tuned, incredibly tested, and critically acclaimed handling vehicle, based on previous experiences they have had great success with. This is what we can expect from this car...but it won't come at the price mentioned, and let's give it a few years to solidify in the market and we will likely see even better versions of it. The more produced, means less money to produce Teggy S in theory, right? Maybe one day it'll be 44k as you mention....but I don't think we will return to the world before sadly. If you've driven the CTR, you will know how excellent it is (The CTR being "excellent" may also be subjective ;) but this is okay too!). Folks will make their own decisions when they go to pay for the car of their dreams, and if you look at the design of this car, it is seriously a good looking car! It takes a lot of money to build a car these days...not subjectively, but realistically speaking. Acura also includes maintenance for the first two years with an excellent ownership experience, so you are not just getting a car, but the whole package and it's a premium experience (oops, more subjective speaking for ya) They will even wash your car and vacuum it, and everything. Amazing service! That comes at a price too, but it's all bundled in. TCO will be less than average too. It's also great to be a fan of something when it is GREAT! What is the car that makes you smile? What is it about that car that you LOVE? I'm trying to point out the good in this car, because it IS soooo good (subjectively speaking). Too many do not believe hoe good it will be, and I want them to give Teggy S a chance. I think if we were to figure in engineering costs, the price of components used, and several other factors to bring a car of this caliber to market, we won't be unbelievably far off...lets not forget, Acura needs to make money on this car so that they CAN come back next year to make more haha! The price of this car is more than average, but by nearly ALL accounts, this is an above-average car... in design, in handling, in engine performance, AND in fun factor (fun factor is only slightly subjective, because there is a measurement of fun that we can test ;) ). For the mark of an EXCELLENT vehicle, does it need to have top marks in 0-60 rating? Does it HAVE to have amazing drag capabilities to be worth it? Nah, these things are also subjective as you point out. To me, it's all about the experience, and the handling, but ateggy S is projected to do 0-60 in about 5.1 seconds flat...not even AWD. This is very acceptable! I'm not taking Teggy S to the drag strip per se (although maybe we could), but as a daily driver, it'll be great! Fuel economy, great! Handling, great! The engine acoustics, great! And the pricing topic, it's extremely complex, and it's not even an apples to apples comparison one manufacturer to another. There is so much differentiation in engine types, materials, etc. Agreed, exactly as you mention, this may not be the BEST engine in the world, but it is an incredibly EXCELLENT engine and amazing quality is there. This Teggy S will last you forever, too. So yeah, it's complicated, but driving and living in this car will be the mark of true value and worth. It doesn't sound like you will be buying this car this year, but my guess is that you will go and at least test drive it to see if what I'm saying is really fanboy hype, or if it's gonna be seriously amazing fun! I think it's both ;) After driving my 98 GS-R for so many miles and LOVING it since day one, and seeing how good the 2023 Integra is, I expect Teggy S will live up to the hype I'm dishing out 😀

[@izzyiz810]

@plasmadaedal I Iknow what you're saying about inflation changing the pricing demographic. And I know Acura is playing the long game in the sense that... The upcoming EV revolution will make the civilian population pay $8k to 10k too much for these cars. But I live in sports car crazy Texas. Where rare sports cars are common. We are the statistic state for figuring out which cars will succeed. What I've noticed thus far. A lot of 2023 Acura A spec models are already in used car rotation before the type S coming out. I'm not seeing many on the road. If any and the civic type R hasn't proliferated much here either. Which means that people are waking up to where their dollar is getting value. In 2023, BMW Mazda and Toyota seem to represent the best in value for the dollar. There is a sudden rise in mazda 3 popularity since the 2023 model year began. Cars selling between 36k and 44k are selling most. But notice, it's the models still offering pre-pandemic power levels, pre-pandemic pricing levels & comprehensive warranties that are selling. The civic type R will outsell the integra because the civic still makes the price average of peoples purchases. Even though the civic isn't moving like it should do to dealer markups. As an owner of a 2017 camaro ss & a 2016 Acura tlx. I can tell you I'd choose a 60k RWD car over a 52k FWD car. To SETTLE for FWD. There has to be a value proposition. If I spend 60k? I'm already in a BMW M2. Which the integra has no strength next to an M2. I know you are pushing this car the way toyota pushed the FRS in 2011. All I can say is fool me once,shame on you! Fool me twice , shame on me. The price median between a 2001 Acura Integra GS-R & Type R was about $23,000 back then which adjusts to about $39,500 est. Meaning this Acura is $12,000 over its historical pricing. Something most car companies have not dared to do except for acura... and on a FWD compact at that. SMH.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@izzyiz810 Thanks for your perspective, and yes, Texas is a BIG state and LOTS of ground to cover. The 2023 Integras are still fairly rare because Acura has seriously had some production issues, but hopefully, they are getting over that soon. For example, when I go to the Acura dealer, I'm seeing more Integras available than when i bought mine last June, but it's still nothing like before the 'Rona--the supply just isn't there, and honestly there's a LOT of people who had NO IDEA Teggy was out and making a come back. Honestly, Acura separated themselves from the enthusiasts market a LONG time ago when they got rid of the Integra in the lineup....they lost their way for a fair bit...I didn't buy another Acura since, sadly....but Acura has found their way back! Your TLX...just look at how the new TLX Type S looks and handles! And you can't tell me the value isn't there in that car, it's frankly one of the best cars built currently. ACURA is making a comeback, and the car world needs to know because, like me, it thought Acura was dead...nyoooope! It's back, in a John Wick, sort of way :P The CTR is historically a rare car with limited production, but I've seen several in the wild...but it's more like seeing a Unicorn. The Camaro SS is MUCH more common and way more produced. It's a comparison difficult to make because Honda/Acura just doesn't produce as many....so when you see a Teggy in the wild, it's kind of fun. Now, as for the pricing, to your point, Texas may be a sports-car-crazed state...the US in general is much more interested in Sporty cars, which ALSO drives the pricing up So 50k is a lot of money because increases demand, but the limited production likely, and enthusiastic buyer, they can ask for this price. It's a special car, there's no doubt about that. Acura is not willing to offer these cars at pre-'rona pricing because they don't really need to right now, and frankly, it costs a TON of money to make a completely new car (at least they already had the chassis and a few components already to go, thanks to Civic). The 2023 Acura Integra got North America Car of the year award, and the k20c engine is historically awesome....it is one of the bet engines ever made, and in Teggy S is gonna be sweet. Just walk around ANY dealer who may have a CTR and ask them for the price....some won't even offer to sell unless you have a special car to trade as well! That's the type of car we are talking about potentially, and we'll see about that (inflation is one thing, but 'Rona really destroyed car production in a real way) predictionis that they will do quite well and will be quite special. Acura has flat out said, the Type S is not a car for the masses, it's for a group of enthusiasts who really want one, so in that sense, they are nailing the demographic...but at the same time, the looks, the performance...it's going to get new demographics interested...but some people are just finding out it came back into production, so let's give it a few years and see how it does! Having driven the 2016 TLX yourself, you know the quality, you know the performance, you owe it to yourself to go test drive the Teggy S....I think you TOO will smile ;) Let me know what you think! 😀 BTW, did you have a chance to drive the 2023 Integra 6MT yet?

[@lincolnvue944]

I mean…. Biggest disappointment from me is that being labeled as a street car. It has a lot of lack of offer. Even A Spec Integra have more features than the Type S. The one that biggest disappointment is that it doesn’t have the type R software where you can see the balance of the car, psi turbo, and oil temp. Woulda been more nice to have that software. Overall, I hope the use market goes down. I want to upgrade from my RSX type S to a Integra Type S

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Dude, I would keep your RSX Type S! That's a classic car now, don't EVER get rid of it. It's a tough dynamic, I know. Let's put this into perspective a little--what is an RSX Type S? A freaking awesome Street car, right? Now fast forward 20 years and Acura is putting all the love, and engineering they've learned over the years, all the mistakes they've made, and all the AMAZING componentry they have available to them into this project. This means that the ONLY thing you're gonna get from INTEGRA Type S is gonna be stellar, and nothing short of it! The world has no clue how special this car is, BUT! ACURA promises anyone who drives it, is going to LOVE it! Let that simmer a bit. I'm bummed that there are not memory seats. I don't really mind about the Sunroof, but everything they've done is to make this a freaking amazing machine--I'm confident of this. The other thing to consider is what kind of daily ride do you want? CTR is a track car--sure, it handles amazing on the track, and it's geared for the track, but every day driving is a bit on the rough side. R plus Mode is sweet for power, but you're gonna be noticing the stiff ride. INTEGRA Type S borrows much of the componentry of CTR, but it is tuned differently, and will handle very easy on the actual streets. That means it's gonna be the "Ultimate" ride as a daily driver. The seats are bolstered more than Aspec INTEGRA, but not so much that it's hard to get in and out of--it's gonna ride like a dream. So "Street car" is not a bad thing at all in my opinion, because 97% of all your driving is on the street, going to and from work, and you'll have TONS and TONS and TONS of sportiness. It's not a fair comparison because the cars are so different, but the new INTEGRA Type S is a much more capable car than even the INTEGRA Type R of old--it's a different age for cars tho, so I get it, won't be the same, but you are gonna smile so big driving this thing. The looks too, are one of THE BEST looking cars around at *any* price! It does have some of the digital tools like CTR, but not nearly as track geeky...still, it'll have some of them :) Integra Type S is, however, a SUPER awesome Street car, just like your RSX Type S--just in different ways :) I trust Acura on this, even if it's missing a few features from Aspec. Think of it this way--the Aspec Integra is the modern-day GS-R. The Type S is the modern day IntegraType R. It'll miss a few luxuries, but it makes up in performance...I sort of consider Teggy S it's own car tho, and not easily compared to others, even it's own siblings hehe. But it'll be soooooo GOOD! 👍 👍 👍 👍 Besides...the acoustics....super SAWEET!

[@lincolnvue944]

@@PlasmadaeDaloh I’m keeping my RSX. It still my daily 😂. I wanna get the new Integra as a daily.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@@lincolnvue944 There you go! What's holding you back?! 😀 It's gonna be a complete GEM of a car!

[@mrkilroy9167]

This car is a Type R with different sheet metal and seats! There isn’t anything revolutionary about it besides the different exhaust which might account for the 5 hp to increase do to it flowing better and the chambers which make the pops noisier? I will say that exhaust looks huge and heavy. Still needs Brembos on the rear and a power passenger seat! Maybe more aggressive seats for track use and add the data logging track software from the type R which the Integra doesn’t get. I bet the track times are identical to the Type R. All the above being said I’m buying one!;). I do have one question if you were to drive this down a dirt road will the hatch flex letting dust into the car? That is a large door. The Brembos are expensive and there are floating rotors which are WAY better! The rear defuser totally makes the rear of the car.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Nice to hear from you, and great observations--some of it a lot of folks are ready for. I think a lot of folks will compare this directly to the CTR, because it does borrow some of the components. Where this Teggy S differs is what you pointed out, completely different body in every way, and the major distinction is that it is an upgraded Integra Aspec, rather than a "more luxury" CTR. Acura wants to make this clear that they are not reinventing the Type R wheels ;) The Type R is a track car, through and through, but as you would expect, Teggy S will be geared for the every-day streets. A lot of folks love the CTR, but that you feel it driving like a track car, which isn't pleasant day-to-day necessarily... and so Teggy S is gonna have all the capabilities of an extremely balanced sports car, but EASY to drive--you can make a very distinctive ride by tje tuning, and Acura has done this with Integra Type S. You won't feel jolted whenever you wanna have fun and you won't need to be experienced on the track to feel like a pro :) The extra 5HP is a way for Acura to show the world how serious they are about this car...imagine trying to convince the Honda executives that they wanted to re-introduce INTEGRA (In Type S form) to the world....AAAND make it more powerful power-to-weight in its class, even against the CTR ;) So a few sacrifices needed to be made...I'm OK with them as long as it drives as amazingly as Acura promises...the world doesn't quite know how special this car is...but will soon...Hopefully this month, because what Acura is doing now is maybe not revolutionary, but it is historically significant for the Acura brand and only the beginning of some pretty exciting times ahead :) The very few who have driven it are immediately convinced of this 👍 Are you pretty stoked to go give Teggy S a test drive when it arrives?! :D

[@PHans34]

I was in love with the idea of the type s about a month ago. I had it at the top of my list for affordable daily drivers to purchase. And then they announced the price and all dreams left. It went from being an affordable compact sedan/hot hatch, to being an upper tier luxury compact that now competes with the m240i and rs3s of the world. Not only does the ITS lack in power when compared to those cars, but it is also missing a lot of features that are normally associated with $50k luxury cars. No ventilated seats, no sunroof, cheap looking dash material (at that price should be aluminum or carbon fiber), etc... I'm sure that it will be an amazing car, but $52k before taxes and possible markups is ridiculous. That was just the price of the TLX type S and it has AWD, twin turbo V6, and a much better looking interior. What happened to the days when Honda and Acura were known for great, affordable, reliable cars? 1/3 is not acceptable.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Sorry to hear about that, but you can still be in love with it! Did you go test drive the 2023 Integra 6MT? It's still an amazing daily driver and i think its plenty of car. I still absolutely LOVE mine! As for the cheap plastics, I wouldn't say it's that horrible, although i would like to see some carbon trim in the middle, and i did actually mention that to Acura...even if they dont, Acura has done a good job with the 2023 Teggy and it has awesome value, and I do think the Teggy S will be excellent value. I would refuse any dealer markups though, I won't do business with dealers who practice this sort of "business". And yes, the Acura "Type S" is their top tier, it is the best of the best of what they offer, so it's not necessarily "affordable" per se, but it still is attainable. I don't think it lacks in power at all though! It's gonna be a complete rocket! I actually drove the RDX for a few weeks and Holy moly, that car has TONS of power. I would be afraid to have more! Haha So i think it has Plenty of power and I don't think you need more for a car of this size to be completely happy with it. Acura is all about balance in their performance and they aren't going to throw more power at a car just because they can, they are going to give you an excellent driving experience, similar to what NSX does, to what TLX Type S does. The sunroof topic...they removed that to lower the center of gravity, so I'm all for it. I hardly use mine, but I do see the complaint. I think we will see if that returns though ;) I know many other cars do the same, so not totally unheard of, but I'm sure they thought long and hard about it. Ventilated seats? Maybe? But if I had a choice for better handling, I'd give that up in a second. Heated seats for me are a must tho, and those are there :) I see the competition, and yes, Teggy S may now be in the same price point, but I don't know if Acura is wanting to really "match" what others are doing, they do what equates to an excellent driving experience and they run with it, and I think we will be surprised at how good it's gonna be. If Teggy S doesn't make you completely satisfied though, then it's definitely not worth it, but this is getting into actual dream car territory as far as performance and fun go. 😀 The 50k$ tag tho, I know, it's not cheap, but Acura is covering the costs for what they've done and hopefully it'll get cheaper to build a car, but the world as it is, don't see that happening soon. The median price of a car has gone WAY up, and that's just median. This car is above average, but imagine buying this car...you'd be happy for years to come, and the car will last! I can't say that for all cars in this class. The power-to-weight ratio is class leading, and there are several others who are at the same price. Acura can charge that much for this car because it's the going rate these days and they do need to make a profit, so while I wish it was cheaper, the reality is that it costs a TON of money to make a car that will be THIS good. I'll definitely eat my own words once I have a chance to drive this thing and see of it drives and delivers in the way Acura promises!

[@roarlisfang2860]

This is purely driver focused and clearly you need to pay a premium for that. All the redesigns eat money. I am really hesitating whether I should buy one of these to be my first manual car, should I go for the manual A-Spec or this?

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I totally agree 👍 It is gonna blow people away just how good it is. I think the sting is being felt because nobody knows just HOW GOOD it'll be and it's not cheap, but it will be worth it. Once people start driving it, just watch ;) You really should go drive the 6MT Integra, it is a special car all its own. I've thoroughly enjoyed the 11k miles I've put on it, and cruising down the strip.here in Las Vegas is a lot of fun with how agile it is, but at the same time, is a complete beast in the snow! :) If you are one who requires power, but not a muscle car, the 2023 Integra 6MT may be a great fit. It has PLENTY of power while having amazing fuel economy. Acura does magic with the engine, which is stellar, and folks who are concernedtheres not enough, should not be. It's extremely versatile and can do just about anything with it. The Teggy S will still be as versatile, but as a 4-person car. Power wise, it's sort of unfathomable to me, because it's also going to be extremely balanced. Acura doesn't just throw power at it...they do it with Supreme intention so that when you drive it, you will be blown away! I'm super excited for it and think Acura has built the modern day Type R, but with great comfort. :) It's tough to compare the regular Integra to the Teggy S, they are almost completely different cars, but has a price differential of less than 15k. The Civic Si and CTR are 15k, so it's priced just about right for this US market I think. Will you be doing a test drive when Teggy S comes along with a demo?

[@sheldonlamey7010]

The calm voice delivery with calm music is so damn different and I really like it. I can go over something I love but it's so calming, a combination that Ive been looking for. Thanks I'll subscribe.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Thanks, so much for the kind words! I'll do my best to create stuff that you will enjoy!

[@FruitSaladHD]

They literally stripped the last gen type R to put the tech and comfort into the Type S. This is blatantly taking advantage of the consumer thinking they are getting a better product but only because they made other products worse. For the same price you can get a brand new M240i with way better tech and comforts. Only an idiot would pay 52k for a FWD car that offers no rear ventilation, no cooled seats, no heated steering wheel, no premium seats, no competitive horsepower, no sunroof, no driver assist, no DCT. People defend integra because they are like "OH WELL IT ALWAYS WAS JUST A BETTER CIVIC HOW ARE YOU SURPRISED" ---- YEAH DUDE CIVICS WITH LEATHER SEATS SHOULDNT BE 50K. All the Acura has is the exterior look but for 52k there are A LOT of better looking cars. shameful.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Let's digest that for a minute. Do you feel like the Civic Type R is a great value? And what features are missing from it that you are upset about? The cooled and heated seats...do you need that in a racer? Back vents...it already circulates air so well, you don't need that either. The seats are pretty premium...what sort of treatments are you needing, I think they're pretty great. But with the current Civic Type R, do you think it's a good value?

[@FruitSaladHD]

@@PlasmadaeDal The new Civic Type R is not great value.. it is just value. You arent getting some great deal for a car that can be beaten by similarly priced vehicles in almost every category. The integra type S is supposed to be a luxury sports sedan whereas the Type R is the racer...so yes I expect heated and vented seats. and Back vents actually do matter on really hot days when you first get into the car your back passengers do suffer. As for the seats I have sat in them and they are no more special than any other car below 50k. They should have put the Type R seats in front. and again the current Civic Type R is not good value whereas the old one actually was. If you do the math with inflation included the previous Integra Type S would sell around 39k. If the Integra Type S sold for 45k that would have been awesome. but now if you go for acura you might as well get the TLX type S

[@FruitSaladHD]

@@PlasmadaeDal actually better yet. tell me what the type S does better than the M240i.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@FruitSaladHD Exactly! You're hitting exactly where i am. I think the value is for the owner to decide, because you drive it daily, you use the features, you know how it handles, YOU feel the power, and you learn the subtle joys that make you smile day to day driving that beauty! Pricing a car takes many things into account so the "value" is up to you. The 2023 Integra is a great value I think, but for others not so much depending on what is going on. What does Teggy do better than that particular car? I would definitely say it looks WAY better, but that'll be my own opinion ;) I actually think the looks of the Type S is one of the best looking cars on the market currently. One example The that would strike me as better looking, would be the Porsche line, and the NSX, and maybe a few others, but those are all out of general reach for me. For 50k, I think the Integra looks fabulous! The handling is going to be awesome! Hard to say exactly how, but once I drive it, I'll have a better idea I think 😀 😃 🙂 🙃 😊

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@FruitSaladHD Also, inflation is a crazy thing, also supply shortages, as well as general "demand" from the market. Then Type S sold out within minutes, so the demand is there, but putting a price on something in a way that checks boxes, is difficult depending on what you're looking at. The spirit of the car is a big part, and the experience, that set it apart from the average car. Pricing Spirit is nuts, because the CTR, as an example, it starts at 44k, but the ADM is ridiculous. Two local dealers were charging $8000 and $15,000 ADM. That makes the CTR costing 50 to 60k! That's no value at all, but someone was willing to pay it. I'd love all that to stop, but I was talking to an NSX guy, and he lost the bid to an NSX and he was the second highest bidder! So it's gonna depend on what people want to pay. As a matter of principle, I refuse to pay above MSRP.

[@thosetwodudes]

Here are 5 1/2 reasons why it's ain't: No full leather seats, no power front passenger seat, no rear climate control, no Iconic Drive 27 Color Changing Ambient Lighting, no acoustic glass, and no available SH-AWD (that last one is the half reason). - Came back to add no 5th seat!

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Yeah, the 27-color-changing-ambient lighting would be pretty epic! The other thing I really would like, are animated signal lights. The rear air is something that I think the market has trained us to think is NEEDED, but I've done a lot of testing on this, and the 2023 Acura Integra has amazing air circulation, and with how small the interior is, I actually think it poses a problem to have MORE air circulation...its like putting your face in front of a fan...its fun because it makes your voice sound different, but after prolonged use, it's just too much air haha! I'm gonna make another follow-up video to this to explain my logic here ;) As for the leather...I've been driving 10k miles in mine, and I am pretty happy with them. Acura isn't trying to the the most luxurious car in the world, although their value is pretty darned great, and i think they will invest in performancein some cases. The seats will last longer than leather too, and they still look and feel great! If they felt cheaply made I'd be on board with you, but Acura ALSO is trying for quality, and I think the 2023 Acura Integra has met that mark. I don't expect the 2024 Teggy S to be any different. The front passenger seat motor though, where'd you hear that? I have yet to hear officially from Acura that this is omitted. The only features I've seen anything official on, are the moonroof, and rear seat delete, and those are for savings of weight, and to help lower the center of gravity. ..items that I really WANT in a street racer. So while I see your complaints, I don't think they are reasons to write off Teggy S :) Trust me, it'll be super great! Oh! As for the acoustic glass...we don't want that! We want to HEAR the Integra Type S in all of its glory! The Porsche 911 is gonna be WAY louder than Teggy S, but it's gonna be balanced, so it'll work nicely I think. The 2023 Acura Integra is great as far as outside noise is concerned: ) I've also tested that out quite a bit! Check out some of my other videos! :😀

[@MAXED-TRUCKING]

No hood struts, fog lights, sunroof, 5th seat, or heated steering wheel are my 5😅

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@b3ar0fab hood struts? Nah, they'll fail eventually and a regular stick works great! Fog lights I have on my 2023 Teggy, and while cool, they are pretty much just for looks although I haven't heard Acura officially state "no fog lights" they are not terribly needed. The 5th seat delete they did to save weight, and no sunroof they did to lower the center of gravity, so I'm OK without it. I do have one in mine, and while it is nice to use on occasion, I hardly ever use it. In other words, I wouldn't say these are deal breakers, or reasons to not consider Teggy S :) When it comes in, are you gonna go give it a test drive to see how it handles? This is the real reason to buy this car if you are considering it ;)

[@MAXED-TRUCKING]

@@PlasmadaeDal nah I'm cool. I would have been interested in an A-spec with 2.0 which they'll probably do on a refresh because this is marketed like the CTR. Good luck getting one.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@b3ar0fab Thanks! You as well! I am pretty interested in how this all plays out! :) Thanks for stopping by!

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

When did you get the Type S? I haven’t seen any available.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

They aren't available yet. Pre-orders for the first 200 are filled already (sold out wothin minutes), then dealers will start to get allocations trickling in this month. Probably won't be too many, so if you want one, better pre order now :)

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

@@PlasmadaeDal I see. Not for me. Just got my A-Spec w/ tech. and I love it. I can drive manual, but where I live I prefer an auto. Plus with all the running I do I need to keep my legs fresh.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@@PLANETWATERMELON That's great to hear and glad you got one. I was ultra disappointed with Acuras' decision to use the CVT for Teggy, but once I had a chance to finally drive one (Mid-May, video dropping next), I was SOOOOOO surprised!

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

@@PlasmadaeDal Same here. I hated the CVT in my CRV, but this one is actually pretty good.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@@PLANETWATERMELON Agreed!

[@jamwest3146]

This car is clearly worth $70K.

[@naodwalk]

I wouldn't complain if we got a sunroof, ventilated seats, a middle seat in the back and rear-seat USB outlets. It feels too stripped down for over $50k, especially since I'm losing features from the A-Spec and even the base model.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I hear ya! I also wish a few of those were in there, but wait until you DRIVE this thing, which is the area Acura has place heavy emphasis on. The thing is gonna be amazing compared to the 2023 Integra, so a few sacrifices have been made to ensure performance is maximized. Beingthe first-ever Type S for Integra, they are making a statement. Give it a few years and they may find ways to put them back in, but for now, the main focus is on Performance, although, I've sat in the Teggy S, it's still plenty comfy! It's not a typical car too, so it's really a "4 Seater" officially (we just need to make that distinction so we don't miss it as much ;) So while there are a few features missing, it's still a very comfortable car, and it'll perform like a beauty! The rear vent though is where I make an exception to the few features missing stated...the rear vent is really not needed. I've spent many hours in both hot and cold weather and plenty of circulation there. I actually think, (and this is my own theory, not Acura's) Acura was gonna put them in originally, but found they were not needed at all, due to amazing circulation. Adding rear vents may have been too much I think....my theory anyway :)

[@naodwalk]

​@@PlasmadaeDal Hmm... I don't really care about missing rear vents; I do care about missing USB charging ports in the back. Ventilated seats are missing too (perhaps that's where your confusion was?). Any modern sport-luxury car in this price range has ventilated seats, but it is missing in the Integra. Ventilated seats make a HUGE difference in the South, where I live. I'm sure this will be a phenomenal driver's car, but it's still a stripped down sport-luxury car. They really shouldn't try and skimp on those things, then brand it with an Acura badge. In terms of age, income and profession, I fit Acura's supposed "target demographic" for the Integra Type S, but I'm not buying one because of those aforementioned missing features.Those who can afford the Integra probably won't choose it over the competition, especially when the ITS is missing something as basic as a rear seat USB charging port. I'll stick with my 2022 Civic Si. It's missing a lot of features too, but it costs $20k less, so I can forgive that. I was really looking forward to the Type S, and I'm glad it's here, but I know they didn't leave out USB ports and ventilated seats for "performance reasons", it's just to cut costs and maximize profits; and that cost-cutting lost my business 🤷 I hope they succeed and make a newer model with those features and a sunroof going forward.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@devinwalker9202 I think you have some valid complaints, and they are not lost on me. So there are a few things going on here with the rear-seat delete and the sunroof--both of those, while good options, are not included for weight savings. Acura is endeavoring to lower the weight and CG, and both are accomplished with these deletes. I do understand a lot of folks like the features, but Acura is making a statement here--Performance and class leading power-to-weight ratio. This is a big request of those begging for a Type R variant of the Teggy. They've totally nailed it from a performance standpoint from everything I've been told. Type S is THE modern-day Type R, and isn't just another ride that you can get for this price point. If Acura delivers like they are claiming, we'll probably be a little more forgiving, like you've been with your Si, although for different reasons :) Vented seats, 5th seat, sunroof, these would mean more weight and I think as Acura (my opinion here), set out to make a crazy street racer and needed to get the weight to precisely 3219 lbs. They also needed the price to be precisely 50k starting. So each component costs, and so I think you're right, they had a goal and had to choose what was most important...I'm thinking they chose right if the emphasis is on the performance side. Old Type R never had this level of amenities, so that may have been considered as well. It's a tough call, but if you love your Si, it's a great choice. They don't have Vented seats though, right? If you could get along without, you're getting a lot of engine and performance....just a few amenities missing with a tradeoff of a crazy street racer. Thoughts?

[@naodwalk]

@@PlasmadaeDal I see your points, and I understand them. I just believe the majority of people buying the Type S won't be a "crazy street racer", so those missing features should have been included and left up to the owner if they wanted to delete those features themselves. For example, many people who are hardcore racers will pull out the back seat altogether anyway, so Acura should have left the middle seat and the added 15lbs that came with it. Deleting it wasn't a huge weight savings, but it was a TON of practicality lost for a 5-door. I forgave my Si missing ventilated seats because it wasn't a $50k sport-luxury car, it was a Civic. At a $50k price point, many of us have certain expectations that Acrua failed to meet; all under the guise of weight savings, but how much weight do rear-seat USB ports add? This was nothing more than a cost-savings. The value just isn't there for me. But we'll see how it ends up selling. I noticed the hype when they first announced it, but now that people have seen it up close a lot of them feel the same way I do about those missing features. I still think it'll sell well for that niche market that only cares about track performance; but I think the CTR is a better option for that group.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@devinwalker9202 Thanks for the reply, I do appreciate it :) I see your points about the practicality being reduced, and I think you are right about that. I don't think this is the most practical car out there in some ways, but it's gonna be a heck of a lot of fun. The missing back USB ports, I think it's clunky, but two USB ports will still exist in front, so a USB wire extension can help...not ideal, but I also think Acura had to remove a few items to meet the 50k starting point. I hope they offer them in future versions. For me, I have three kids, and ive only had to use the ports a few times on long trips...but we usually take the Pilot for those, so its a non-issue for bigger families. It sounds harsh, but I think Acura needed to make a few decisions on what stays for the weight and price point. The other side about rear seat delete, Acura would probably get punished if it had 5 seats for a Type S variant. They are already getting punished because it is not a 2D, and this IS the modern-day Integra Type R. From a Legacy perspective, I think they have to make this a 4-person car, just like the original to be true to the Teggy legacy. They also need to be able to say "Class Leading Power-to-weight ratio As much as we may not enjoy it, it does look good on paper for Acura and for achieving that (and they really did compare this to the CTR for that--imagine convincing the Honda executives that it would be okay to make the Integra sound better than the CTR in power-to-weight with 5HP more....Honda's baby!) It's an interesting situation and something I fully intend to look into. For me, I am a buyer who likes a really nice experience. The current Integra 6MT is doing that for me. To have such a bump in performance though is very enticing to me. Not just on paper, but to know what it FEELS like. The other element to the 5th seat delete....it's incredibly small. You won't fit 3 adults in the back...there is no way. So although it won't fit as many, it'll make up for in the fun...all very interesting and complicated, wouldn't you say? Maybe look at it as a really practical 2D ;) But I think the USB ports and rear 5th seat I can be okay with. Vented seats in front, that's a bummer for you in the south due to the humidity, I do feel ya there.

[@barehands9614]

If this was supposed to be a "driver's car" like the type R, why would they take out the LogR function, the +R digital cluster, and half of the customizable settings in individual mode? I believe they did that because they're expecting that the people who are going to buy this over the type R would still want a powerful car, but a more luxurious daily driver and wouldn't necessarily be so "driver focused". And if that's the case why not add more creature comforts? I really doubt the practicality of a sunroof, rear vents, interior lighting, maybe even a 5th seat etc. would deter potential buyers because of "weight savings" or "center of gravity", and if it does they have the type R to go to. Besides a different body style (which is just subjective), heated seats, and leather. Why spend $8k more than the type R which has all those driver features, has all the "weight savings" and "center of gravity", plus Bose sound system and a big rear wing to keep it on the ground if you're looking for a low end track beast... I waited because I liked the look of the type S more, but not for $8k more than the type R which is probably what i'm going to go with now. Great video though!

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Yeah, many are getting stuck comparing this directly to the CTR, and doing the 'check box" comparison, which is exactly what I was doing. If you are looking at it in terms of comparing it to the current Integra, it's not such a leap, because this is a direct upgrade from the Integra 6MT--there are MANY upgrades for the current Integra. But if we compare directly against the CTR, it's a little bit more unpalatable. They have taken the Engine, and some of the ideas from CTR, like deleted sunroof and back seat, but left some of them in, like what I showed at the end (software wise). It's really NOT trying to be a better CTR...it's really trying to be a better Integra...that's how I am seeing it. If we look at it any other way, it's....complicated... The weight savings and center of gravity items tho, these are very clear indicators of what Acura is wanting this car to be for the brand. Having more power than the CTR (even though they don't specifically say this), and having the best power-to-weight ratio than any car in its class (they do compare the CTR in this class at least for power), are moves to make a statement. Acura is serious about the performance of this car. They were willing to make some sacrifices for Performance, and I don't fault them for it. The points are not lost on me though, because people will compare every other car in its class to Teggy S, and they knew there would be some missed sales due to some of these things. But me personally, I think all the data-crunching tools would be really neat to have (LogR), but since this REALLY is a more powerful Integra, I am actually GAINING functionality for software. It's a tough one, but this is why I am pointing out all the GOOD things about the Integra Type S, because yes, it's expensive, but I really don't think Acura views the Integra as a CTR luxury car. I don't really even think Acura considers their brand "luxury", in the traditional sense. I think they view their cars as Premium, focused on Performance. CTR people, will look at Teggy S and they will see many similarities, like engine itself, but the design of it is a totally different. The shell, is TOTALLY different. The driving dynamics are supposed to be tuned, totally different than CTR, and in the end, it's less like the CTR, and more like the 2023 Integra...although they are a Honda derivative, so of course they will borrow parts from Honda...but the personality, and experience....that's ALL Acura. It's nearly impossible to say without driving the car, so we shall see if THE ENTIRE experience is worth the cash. And as far as a driver's car, it totally will be, but it will be really focused primarily on the street. For example, it has no roll cage, but these are things that people can add... ...then why not just get a CTR? That's a great question that I've asked myself many times. The CTR is in an untouchable market...meaning, unless you know someone, you're GOING to pay ADM. Two local Honda dealers for me charged $5000 ADM, and the other, $15,000! That is RIDICULOUS in my book, because out of principle, I won't spend above MSRP, so that means the CTR is automatically impossible for me to get...so 44k, plus 5k, is well 50k, then Acura has simply given you the option to get an AMAZING looking sports car over the CTR, but same engine! That's a huge win i think...but it's complicated, right? Even still, putting the Teggy S in the lineup, I think it's an excellent move on Acura's part. The unfortunate reality is the cost to build a car has gone up substantially....that's where I get hung up, but then I can't control that. Thanks so much for the good points, and good discussion, it does take a lot of thought to choose a car, that's for sure, and we can keep the conversations flowing :)

[@barehands9614]

@@PlasmadaeDal yea I guess it’s the way you look at. I’m in the market for a MT sports hot hatch so I guess I’m comparing it to its counterparts instead of comparing it to the integra which is what you’re doing here. Which definitely makes it seem like more of a worthy upgrade. Yea I agree with you it’s a really beautiful car man that’s why i’m still so torn. In your opinion do you think there won’t be any ADM on the Type S? Because it seems that’s just the way the market is now for new cars like this.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@barehands9614 I know there are dealers out there who don't charge it. My dealer does not. I don't do business with dealers who do because out of principle, I won't pay above MSRP. That's why I chose this particular dealer. I know in some areas, there are limited dealers and they may....but my opinion is, this is a special enough of a car, that I'd be willing to travel to get one at MSRP...call around, they are out there. I won't support the ADM effort in any way! Someone mentioned to me today that ADM is illegal in Canada, and since their taxes are so high, Canadians generally pay less for cars and said Teggy S is 43k USD! I was blown away, but different markets, and we have 10 times as much people here than Canada. Different markets do different things...US happens to have a very competitive market and very interested in cars 😀 As far as strategy, right now it seems very much a comparison between Type R and Teggy S, but I think as time goes on, it'll become more clear to folks that Acura is a separate division of Honda and so they sort of operate independently from them, so that is why i am comparing the ASpec Teggy to Teggy S, because I know its easy to say its a CTR "dressedup", but the ENTIRE body is different. New engineering had to come from within to make the Teggy S more aerodynamic etc, they didn't just use the same shell and call it good. The engine is the same as CTR, but a TON can be done in tuning that it'll perform like a different car. It's all rather interesting, but even at 50k, I think people are getting PLENTY of car. Similar cars in similar price points and Teggy S will hold its own. The comparison that "with inflation, should only be X dollars", it's a bit more complicated than that...the manufacturing costs have skyrocketed and its a COMPLETELY different world we live in from a production standpoint, that is does drive up the cost. Someone mentioned that not a lot of profit will be made on Teggy S, and I could see that as well....but Acura makes these cars for enthusiasts, like NSX, simply for bragging rights, as well as getting ideas for future cars :) I think it'll be interesting to see how it all pans out!

[@g7sky]

i still think this car can be better if it had sh awd

[@PlasmadaeDal]

We gotta drive it and see :) I'm loving the way the 2023 Integra handles, I wouldn't want to change the amazing handling, and plus, the LSD with Dual-Axis is gonna be really sweet! I think it'll actually be more fun without, but maybe down the road they will :D

[@g7sky]

@@PlasmadaeDal You are right, I do have to test drive one to better understand what you mean. Thank you for posting this video you did an awesome job 🚗 ✌

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@g7sky Thank you! Yeah, go and test drive the 6MT and see what you think and then when a demo car is available for Teggy S, check it out. Acura is saying this is gonna be a really awesome drive, and the snow testing videos I did, make me wonder how good Teggy S is gonna actually handle. I was talking to a guy at the event and he was in a cross-country race with FWD and he was passing tons of AWD cars....left and right 😄 🤣 so if you are good at FWD, it's pretty awesome :D

[@jamwest3146]

I think the car is worth much more. Consider that it will likely have one of the highest safety ratings, lowest cost of ownership, and will have a great resell value. Its actually worth $70,000.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I think you are spot on with everything you said. The 50k price point is TOTALLY worth it. Acura has created something serious special here. Once people see it in action, they'll all understand that what Acura has really done was make all of our dreams come true by giving us a Modern Day Integra Type R! The ownership experience is excellent with Acura as well!

[@Ljbuddy12]

🤣

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@Ljbuddy12 Now don't worry, nobody will be paying above MSRP on this car, right...we should not be supporting those kinds of shenanigans--i won't pay above MSRP out of principle, and I think Acura has priced this just about right to where hopefully dealers can sell it 'as-is- and be good with it. I'd love for that whole paradigm to disappear :/ BUT! The Total Cost of Ownership will be lower than average because Acura does a great job in the long run. The 50k also includes the owners experience, and includes 2 years of maintenance (my dealer does oil changes for life, free car washes/vacuum, snacks like cookies and whatnot and just an overall more premium experience), and Acura has great service overall. So lots of factors are considered in the car...you may pay a little more up front, but l you'll pay less on the back end.

[@kevonrcguy2205]

This guy 😜

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@@kevonrcguy2205 Which guy? Do you mean Teggy S?

[@taheelfan1]

50 grand and no hydraulic arm for hood.. wtf

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Just demand the dealer install them for you. Honestly, I've opened my hood about 3 or 4 times in the last year, so in my opinion, more weight, more moving parts, I don't really mind that it's not there. Plus, original Teggy Type R doesn't have one :) Acura didn't want them in this street racer, apparently, and it's a tad more weight, maybe? Acura was really picky about weight on this one. Plus...if you have hydros, I don't think you can put it in full "service mode" where the hood is 90 degrees. I think it's good without, thinking more about it.

[@ClintonBegin]

The GR Corolla does 0-60 in 4.9s. See the Car and Driver review.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Pretty darned close! And with Teggy S projected to do roughly the same, but withOUT AWD...Pretty impressive eh?

[@ClintonBegin]

@@PlasmadaeDal mostly just correcting the video as you stated 5.4s. AWD helps, but anything modern under say 500hp will hook up with tires. For example, the EcoBoost Mustang HPP does 4.9 RWD with about 330hp.

[@ricochet48]

M240ix is the same price as the ITS and runs a 3.6 in some tests (consistently under 4 at least). ITS performance is not impressive. The manual shifter will be more engaging of course, but that's not a big sell these days (less than 2% of US sales).

[@ricochet48]

@@PlasmadaeDal Not for $52K, nope. Speed, particularly from a dig is not the ITS's strong suite. It's track and engagement oriented.

[@ClintonBegin]

@@ricochet48 and it comes with a sunroof!!!

[@chattingwithshap8010]

Are you joking? Let’s see this goes for around 55k. For that money you could get bmw 240i - s3 - even a couple year old rs3. That’s just to name a few. This car should be in the mid to upper 40s top. This is almost click bait. You have not even driven it yet.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I'm glad you said "almost" ;) So if you watch each of the reasons I give in the video , you'll see my rationale. It's not a simple thing if we just look at the amount, and although I haven’t driven the 2024 Teggy S, I *have* driven the 2023 Integra 6MT for over 10k miles and it's a complete GEM! People complained that the 2023 Teggy didn't have enough power and I've proven that to not be the case--it's plenty of power. So if you were to add 120 MORE HP to an already amazing car (2023 Integra 6MT), I think it'll be nearly impossible to not be pleased with it. Also, the tuning and handling they have done to compensate for that much power gain, its gonna be sweet! It'll be totally worth 50k for the experience you are getting...i trust Acura on this. I am with you tho that there are other cars to consider for this proce range--its super competitive, but let's give Acura a chance to prove this price is worth it. People are looking at the Intgera Type S as though it was a regular car--that's definitely not the case here either. This is the modern day Integra Type R :) This is a big deal. Acura is shooting for the stars on this...they don't use the Integra Type S name lightly. If it was a regular car, totally NOT worth it. But once people have a chance to experience this car, they will get it. Also, at the end of the video, you'll see I'm not really far off from what price point you mentioned and what I gave, and I wouldn't make such bold claims if I didn't already know how Acura makes their cars and it is complete magic in how they encapsulate so much fun! Folks who haven't driven an Acura in a while don't trust that it'll be great...but their handling and performance is fantastic! Acura is all about Performance, with premium touches. The Type S is a major upgrade from the 2023 Acura Integra and will be focused on both of those pillars, so I think they have actually done a pretty awesome job, even without the drive. I'll update the video once I am lucky enough to have a chance to drive it, and I'll let you know, but if you have been pleased with the CTR then this is gonna deliver in a big way. The CTR is 44k MSRP, so it's about in the right realm for a sporty vehicle of this caliber (if you're lucky enough to get one without the ADM). BTW, have you had a chance to drive the 2023 Integra 6MT yet?

[@chattingwithshap8010]

@@PlasmadaeDal thx for the detailed response. I think my main issue isn’t just the power, it’s also in a price point where there are so many choices. For what it is offering, there has to be a really compelling reason to buy it. That’s not even considering possible dealer mark-ups. I do love the manual transmission though. For 55k or possibly more, that’s such a hard pill to swallow with so many options. My first car with an integra and I currently drive a 2009 Honda accord coupe, v6 manual. I love the brand. It will be something I’ll test drive against cars like an s3 - used rs3 - bmw 240i - type r and even some other possible cars. One final thought. While Acura is the luxury brand of Honda, they are competing in a really crowded field. Let’s hope the type s is amazing.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@chattingwithshap8010 You've been driving some fun cars too! Go test drive the 2023 Integra 6MT, i think you will be pleased, and it will give you an idea of just how great Acura is doing. Indeed, it is crowded in this segment, which is GREAT news for you, because it forces Acura to do their very best work. I will be highlighting some of this in my next video and it'll be pretty fun! If you have the 2.0 Accord, then you have a particularly exciting option. I drove the RDX for several weeks (similar engine) so I got to have a "taste" of what sort of power is in store for Teggy S...I gotta say, for the power-to-weight ratio, it's going to be superb, and hard for me to describe until I drive it. Let me put it this way, i was talking to one of the race car drivers who DRIVES the NSX Evo, and she said the Type S is like a "duh" decision ;) so i think this car has some sizzle, and I do think Acura brings a VERY compelling package to the table. They aren't going to "Wow" you with the interior, like a Porsche 911 would, but for the price point I think they have a great balance of premium quality, but a very specific focus on Performance. Teggy S is gonna be very balanced as far as handling, power, and versatility. It's a car made for "having fun", but in a very comfortable way, and it's not a car for the masses, necessarily, it is an enthusiasts car through and through--just look at the exterior design, it's so BOSS! BUT! if someone didn't want it as a racer, it'll still be a superb choice because it is also very premium :) I hear you on swallowing the pill, I really do--i think, though, for the market here in the US, this is a price Acura can charge, and people aren't gonna be taking it back the next day dissatisfied--Acura has made something special and they know it! Trust me on this, but once it arrives, you gotta give it a test drive and see how big you smile! Also, when you buy an Integra, I think they are still throwing in free maintenance for the first two years of ownership (my Acura dealer does free oil changes for life as long as I own the vehicle, and they'll wash and vacuum my car for free as well! That's great service and part of being an Acura owner :) As for ADM...I refuse to pay them out of principle. I didn't pay above MSRP on my 2023 Integra, so you just need to find a dealer who is more concerned about the relationship of the customer VS making some money. I'm all about relationships, so I am buying not only the brand, but an entire ownership experience that I will be pleased with, and I am :) Teggy S will do this too I think :) Keep me posted on how Teggy S drives for you!

[@MAXED-TRUCKING]

I couldnt bring myself to 1. Wait to get my hands on one 2. Pay over 60k for a civic, so I copped an A-spec with many options still under 45k OTD😐. The hype is real I guess. Im sure it'll be a great car but not that damn good. I had an tuned MT 10th gen 2.0t accord and now a stock A-spec, so I'm sure the driving experience would be familiar for me in a type s. Missed me when they left out many key options for that price.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Sorry to hear! What are you gonna buy instead?

[@MAXED-TRUCKING]

@@PlasmadaeDal took delivery of a 24 Integra MT.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@@MAXED-TRUCKING That's a FANTASTIC choice! You are gonna LOVE driving thatnon a daily! How do you like it so far?!

[@kevonrcguy2205]

This car is over price period

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I think there are reasons some people consider it overpriced, but when we look at it in terms of what product you're getting, our regional market, it's not going to seem that way....can you tell me a car that is worth it, and tell me why it was worth it? I'd like to have a reference from where you're coming from. Initially, 50k could seem too much! But when I thought more about it, it makes more sense why...I discuss these reasons in my video so interested in your thoughts.

[@kevonrcguy2205]

@@PlasmadaeDal OK I might be going left with this but the ELANTRA N hands-down a very good deal on the market

[@kevonrcguy2205]

@@PlasmadaeDal I have a Kona N and I race type R and he only give me a car length my car is stock beat sti my car olny 35K 😂

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@kevonrcguy2205 Thanks for the context, I appreciate you clarifying that. Yes, if this is the measure, you probably don't wanna get Teggy S, which is projected to get to 60 in about the same time as the CTR, still beating Kona N...but not by much...if one car length is the measure of value, then for SURE not worth it. I mean, 15k for one car length! Also, if winning a race is the only measure, definitely not worth it...Yeah, it wouldn't be worth it for me either. Also, the Konas are fairly fun to drive, so not too much to complain about. If you stay here, then you'll be happy! I'm not sure The 6MT Integra is roughly the same price as the Kona, which will beat the regular Integra, by maybe 1.5 car lengths, maybe 2...so then you gotta ask yourself, is two car lengths worth it to have superior looks, better craftsmanship. Better amenities and comfort? Kona is fairly worth it...if all you look at is car length. Kona N doesn't really come with many upgrades either, so it's made to do one thing, and it does it pretty well. So in your context, not worth it, but Acura is not building a track car or drag racer, per se, they are building a street car and the driving experience is gonna be Supreme, and MUCH MUCH more comfortable than CTR...really they are supposed to be different cars. So if you are upgrading the Integra, what is the price differentiator that would be worth it? It's less than the differentiator between the Civic Si and CTR, actually, which is interesting ;)

[@kevonrcguy2205]

Man the way you broke it down I had to give you a sub 😂

[@TheBreakfastLover]

The ITS is $43k USD in Canada, and no dealer mark-ups either.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

No! That is impossible! I think you are talking about the Regular 1.5 liter Integra. I mean, I'd LOVE to get a Type S Integra for 43k US, I just don't think that's gonna happen...otherwise, it's worth the trip up :) I am interested, though, how many Teggy S units they get because only 200 initial release...then Regular batch will start delivering more...

[@TheBreakfastLover]

@@PlasmadaeDal nope, I'm talking about the Integra Type S. The MSRP in Canada is $55.6k CAD (including freight/PDI), which is $43.1k USD using the current exchange rate.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@TheBreakfastLover WOW! I can't believe that! I found the pricing details on Acura.ca. Canada does get some interesting differentiators than here in US for a lot of cars....maybe worth paying the duties on this for some? Duties will probably be 1200 for duties and fees, then taxes so 43 plus 2k more, puts you at 45. Taxes will be a few more k, so OTD could be 48k. Then I don't know how much each of the accessories will cost, but at 45k, that's a bargain. Now, 5k more and we are at US prices. All I can say is the Canadian market is lucky to get these prices, but the population in the US is substantially larger, so that may be the reason for the increase in these regional markets.

[@TheBreakfastLover]

​@@PlasmadaeDal in general Canadians are less willing to pay higher prices on vehicles, we pay more taxes, and dealer mark-ups on new vehicles are illegal.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@TheBreakfastLover I hear you, and yes, Taxes do affect things. I wish ADM was also not a thing here...bummer that it is, butnas a matter of principle, I refuse to pay above MSRP!

[@briangoodner8680]

You folks are rationalizing your falling for corporate "brand marketing" snob appeal. Street price will be $60k+ for that admittingly handsome, high performance .............wait for it..............wrong-wheel-drive souped-up 4 cylinder fancier Honda Civic! 🤑😂

[@PlasmadaeDal]

You do need to rationalize any purchase made, am I right? Please let us know the solution to your concern because there are a lot of details we need to consider here...Honda Civic is not what it used to be, my friend :) 😀 😃 🙂 🙃 😊 😇 Have you driven the Civic Si, Type R, or the 2023 Acura Integra? They are nearly perfect cars as far as the driving experience goes and super fun cars! Anyone who drives them, loves them for what they are. It doesn't really matter what wheel drive they are as long as the MAGIC is there, am I right? Acura/Honda completely nails the FWD experience, and Teggy S should be no different. The other thing folks may not realize is the quality of the vehicle, Honda/Acura are high-quality vehicles, the TCO will be less in the long run, and customer satisfaction is high with the Acura lineup. Acuras corporate costs are also expensive as heck, as much of what is done within the business is here in the US, which is what we want __> Supporting the local economy right? Even though everything is expensive....from a dozen eggs to a loaf of bread. The snobby comment I think means that it'll cost a bit of money to purchase....but the mean price of ANY car is way more than it used to be. All things considered, Acura has priced this car exactly where it should be, local US economy, demand, cost of business, features, performance, etc. There's a balance that is ever sought after, and Integra Type R was never "cheap" per se. The Type R of old was also more expensive than the average right? The 18k sticker in 2001 equates to 30k today roughly, and that was in a completely different auto industry where we didn't have nearly the regulations and requirements of today, not to mention the crazy improvements in engines and technology we now have. I need a bit more context from you so I can better understand where you're coming from :)

[@winstonwolfwhiteshoes]

no way its worth this price. Should be 38 max.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

You gotta give me some context for where you're coming from. The 2023 Acura 6MT is 38k, so there is no way Acura would be able to do that. So look at this for what Acura is doing. They are upgrading the 6MT Integra to an Integra Type S...the engine alone is a HUGE upgrade cost...then they did brembos, Sport 4s tires, then they did NSX wheels, then they did an entirely new front end, new airflow design, new back bumper, upgraded acoustics...it's basically a different car now with these many upgrades here. The appearance of the Integra Type S is one of the best looking of all the cars available--it's super sleek! So I'm curious what your thoughts are on how much those upgrades would typically cost. The quality of Acura products are very high, so 38k, although would be super amazing, I just don't think it's realistic....trust me, I'd love to pay less myself, but Acura can ask for a price that is above average because this is a car that is above average from what I've experienced.

[@winstonwolfwhiteshoes]

@@PlasmadaeDal you makr great points. I can't disagree with them but I still feel its overpriced in this market. Its just too expensive for the crowd its marketed too. Same issue as the mk4 supra and zx bsck then or currently with the Z. I don't see many guys paying over 50 grand for an INTEGRA.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@nofacewhiteshoes9209 Indeed, it's a *completely* new world the Integra was introduced to, eh? How times have changed! The great news is the Integra they brought back is an AMAZING car. The 2023 6MT is not cheap, but it's an Acura and the ownership is great, and car is fairly attainable (TCO will be lower than average in the long run) . Its very, very fun to drive, seriously practical, and still has great fuel economy and storage. The manual transmission Acura has put into this car is fantastic--they've basically taken everything annoying out of a traditional manual and put only the good, in. The only reason the 6MT exists in Teggy is for fun, plain and simple. It doesn't get better gas mileage than the auto, they are more expensive to make than the auto, but Acura did it anyway, because they knew what they were bringing to market was something excellent...and this is just the regular 2023 Integra :) I've now put 11k miles down and STILL love driving this thing. You should take a test drive in it just to get an idea of what kind of drive Acura has engineered--it's not just good, it's great :) Also, try the RDX, because that's basically the same engine as Teggy S, and that thing is a rocket haha! I don't want to compare the CTR to Teggy S (because the direct upgrade is from the 2023 Integra, not CTR), but the connection can't be ignored... they are taking stuff from the CTR that is great, and putting that into Teggy, and tuning it differently, but building off of what is already great from the Integra and elevating. Until I drive it, I can only imagine how many levels above and beyond it really is from the 2023 Integra. But knowing how many great components already are in the 2023 Teggy, and seriously upgrading them...it's gonna be difficult to articulate...but I think even the power-lusting drivers are gonna get a kick out of how Teggy S drives, and performs. It's not a powerhouse in the sense that it doesn't have 600HP, but you are gonna think it is by the experience you get from it! And to me, this is a true marker of a great car--in how it will make you smile, and the experience you have (there will always be a faster car, so my measure is the overall experience). Plus, 600HP can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. So for the value...here's how I break it down simply: 1. Exterior looks --> I personally care very much about the looks of a car. Definitely has the looks of a 50k car...I actually think the looks are better than many 100k$ plus cars, such as the Audi RS7 to give one example. So we are covered on looks. You are gonna turn heads with this beast! And it's not just aesthetics, the looks are functional! (Interior looks are still excellent too, very simple, but clean and pleasing to look at). 2. Power-to-weight ratio & handling - I think this will definitely have the handling and fun of a 50k car. It's not gonna beat every car off the line, but you will DEFINITELY be the fastest car on the road the majority of the time. Acura doesn't focus on the power alone--they focus on the balanced driving experience. They won't make something unless it's gonna be truly great (the Acura direction is really looking good now). They have engineered this Teggy S to the hilt on this front! It'll perform and handle like a 50k car. This is actually really difficult to know 100% now, but I am basing this off of what the Acura engineers told me personally and the testing they've put this through. They compared the CTR to Teggy S with the power figures to ensure Teggy S is truly top notch--THEN they made it even better! If you can believe that...Teggy S is gonna be a much more enjoyable car to drive on the streets. The CTR is a true track racer...Teggy S? True Street racer that will be super easy to drive, FUN to drive, and still fairly attainable (relatively, right?). So one must ask, what price is worth near perfection? Because anyone who drives this will come back and say Acura has nailed it....but again, the 2023 Teggy is already so good :) Once we drive it, we will be impressed I think... Acura knows they are not making this car for the masses with Teggy S...it's not as practical as the 2023 Teggy, it is a 4-person car, and it doesn't claim to be for everyone, but they do make *major* claims that this will be special...and they put this right up there with the Integra Type R for specialness...since Acura knows how to make the Type R, and they are really trying to be true to the Type R legacy, I think we are in for a treat! So I think 50k for specialness is there too ;) And as for our market, the US market is super aggressive as you say, and so this will certainly be interesting to see how well it does. Regionally, I think for what you're getting, it's about right. Fiscally, Acura is going to make a profit on this car, but I also think folks who do buy it will not regret it...there's a certain balance there too, right? Think about this, in 20 years...how cool will this car be? Do you think the looks, design, and handling will be respected in the long run? Because that'll be another measure of an excellent car...the world is just finding out about the Integra, but give them some time...they will eventually understand just how much Acura knows about racing, and street performance, and they've made some pretty darned special cars...Teggy S is gonna be remarkable. Thanks for the discussion, it's nice to know thoughts of other enthusiasts, so I appreciate it! Will you be going in to test drive Teggy S when the demo cars start arriving next month? I'll be curious what you think after driving it! 😀

[@kevonrcguy2205]

This guy Acura company mam

[@syedalam6363]

It's very nice but if Acura is a luxury over Honda than why did they take out so many features from the A spec? I am sure memory seat, power seat passenger

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Did Acura officially say they were removing memory seats? I haven't seen that, but yes, it would be strange considering the seats are an upgrade over the 2023 Acura Integra. The moonroof and back seat delete I understand lowers weight and the center of gravity, all welcome characteristics. On the "Pre Production" build, the memory seat buttons are blanked out, but this is not a Production unit anyone has actually seen. The other thing to consider are Acura's three pillars. They are precision crafted performance, so these deletes deliver on the performance pillar. The Premium vehicle at this price point really does NEED memory seats...it's such a convenient thing to have and since they already have the motor, the memory side of it would be negligible for weight I would think!

[@RobertoMezquiaJr]

@@PlasmadaeDal While I don't disagree about it should be in the ITS, I don't think it's really a "need" and it's definitely not a deal breaker for me personally. Like you said, the motor etc are there already, maybe it's just a matter of adding the button for it lol. Nobody else will be driving my ITS so it doesn't matter to me at all to have that feature deleted.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@RobertoMezquiaJr Yeah, even if it's not there, I could live without it. There are some things missing that people really want, but I think the added driving experience is going to be soooo gooood! It's hard to quantify perfection, and until I actually drive Teggy S, it's all taking Acura's word. But what I WILL say is that from what Acura has told me, it's going to be mind blowingly good. They told me the 2023 Acura Integra was gonna be great, and they were NOT exaggerating at all! I love the car!

[@syedalam6363]

@@PlasmadaeDal I am getting one for MSRP. Thanks for your content.

[@RobertoMezquiaJr]

@@PlasmadaeDal I miss my 2018 CTR. I'm excited to get back into this kind of performance and fun but in an updated package... I'll also add that most of the stuff people are complaining about can be added later

[@compaqha]

The new ilx type s is a marketing stunt they know everyone loved the dc2 & dc5 this is not a Successor In my opinion the tlx type s has more for the money I think

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I think Acura is building a car that will likely be equivalent, if not better (dare I say? Teehee), than the TLX Type S in many ways. It will be up there in quality. Fully loaded (adding a few extras) TLX will be around 60k. A fully loaded Teggy S (with some extras), will be about 55k I'm thinking...and both are gonna be excellent, but the differentiator here, is the experience and handling will be WAY different. I think Teggy S is gonna have a LOT more personality :)

[@junboloy]

So what you are saying this car will cost $60,000.00?

[@PlasmadaeDal]

😀 50,800 😀 You can add features, that'll drive up the cost of course, but base price starts at 50,800 :)

[@djjulz23]

I have no idea what this guy is talking about. Are you reviewing Grandma's car?? Because I thought this was a Type S? wake me up when september ends

[@PlasmadaeDal]

If this is Gma's car, she has some MAJOR style! Also! It's time to wake up! 😜

[@adim00lah]

It's a nice car, don't know if it's worth 52k.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

It's a tough one, right? It'll be an amazing car, and I think the performance is gonna be better than people are thinking. Everyone who drives it is ecstatic about it. In talking to others who have driven it, they say this thing is insane, so I'll be curious what your thoughts are after you take a test drive. I won't be paying above MSRP for any car, even Teggy S...I don't support those shenanigans.

[@ricochet48]

Grasping at straws here. Check the Canadian pricing, much better and closer to the Type R. You're paying much more because there aren't many (or any) sporty, somewhat luxury, family sized vehicle options, particularly with a manual. Acura knows this, saw the ITS markup, and priced accordingly. Personally I don't need the space and after 18 years of a manual RSX-S can live with a modern ZF8, so the B58 M240i running a 12.1 is my personal move. I think the extra $3K or so they added on the MSRP is hurting their image more than the additional revenue will add tbh.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I would LOVE to get Teggy S for 3k cheaper...but I don't live in Canada, don't pay their taxes, don't think I would be able to go there, buy it, bring it over the border, and end up paying less than here in the US. You bring up a good point tho, and I was curious, I went to build a 2023 6MT with all the features I have on mine, which was 38k, and they are forcing me to get the carbon fiber package to get the rear diffuser, and after adding the bare minimum, it's saying 53k Canadian. After exchange from US Dollar to Canadian Loony I'm getting a price that is essentially equal, so I didn't save any there. BUT! THE Canadian Teggy does include heated rear seats! Even still, really difficult to compare pricing region to region because the packaging likely different. Even still, such variations in packaging, it's almost impossible to do a 1:1 comparison. How's the RSX-S?! I bet that's a joy to drive, even after 18 years

[@MTater_]

@@PlasmadaeDal The ITS here in Canada is priced at $55,000 CAD which equates to just over $40,000 USD and I have an allocation for one but just hope the dealers here don't mark it up to the moon because it has amazing value. The USA pricing is trash tbh, you can get a brand new M2 for only a couple thousand dollars more here in Canada then they're charging for the ITS in the USA.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@tater7161 I only wish, but I'm in the US and the car market here seems to be substantially different. Supply VS Demand and it seems Americans pay more for some cars...not sure why Teggy S is more there, if think the opposite...but I'm sure an economics expert could tell me what the real logic here is. I think the price could be trash, but I think Acura is going to ask for a price they believe will be acceptable, and if they know Canadian markets would not buy at 50k CAN, then I think Acura must know a few things hehe. I am SUPER excited for you! I heard ADM was illegal in CAN?

[@MTater_]

@@PlasmadaeDal I’m not 100% sure if ADM is illegal or not because im fairly new to the “new” car buying market here but i have seen new vehicles priced higher than MSRP on the lot so maybe they have a way to get around it.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

@tater7161 I reached out to my Canadian contact, and yes, they are completely legal, unfortunately. I got a lot of good information on the topic, but the net-net of it is, it's possible, but a Canadian dealer is probably not gonna love selling to someone out of country because there will be extra paperwork to do, and they'll likely favor a buyer of the same country simply because it will be easier. Based on that alone, I don't think a single American would have much luck doing it. If they do...very likely, they'll charge more for thr extra effort involves for some random American wanting to save money :/

[@chaddgage759]

Did Acura pay you to make this video? JK, It was a great video and very thorough. You brought up a lot of good points that i didn't consider when trashing this car (only because putting it over 47k was over my budget). I get where you are coming from. But some thing to consider is the luxury that was removed from the car that was present in the aspec tech pack version. I think it would only be fair to deduct some of the features cost the same way you added the cost for each new individual upgrade to justify the price. This was almost a dream car for me. If this was an Aspec Tech version with all of the new upgrades it would be a dream car for me. But missing a sunroof, passenger automatic seats, Seat posistion memory, rear usbs, middle back seat, and others takes it out of the dream car relm for me because i appreciated those things about the Aspec Tech version. Also in my opinion this is in no way a race car. I get that it is 320 vs 200 hp so you will definitely be able to tell the difference. I grew up on hondas/acuras and my first car was a 97 integra. So even though these cars were fast to us they were still slow cars. I think we appreciated the ability to make them our own and customize them the way we wanted to and add upgrades, but in the end these cars were only slow car fast if you get what i mean. So in now way would i consider this a race car becuase i can name a bunch of cars that will blow this out of the water for under 52k. After adding the carbon spoiler (which everyone will want) and some other features you are going to be close to 56k or more, and that's not counting the possible dealer markups. Don't get me wrong, I love the car a lot. I'm just don't think it's worth the price. But It's good to see another perspective. Great video and i'll make sure to check out some of your other!

[@RobertoMezquiaJr]

Fair comment for sure. I think that you would have to drive one to say it's "slow". The FK8 (similar engine) could easily get to 150mph+. That's not slow at all. They're also very quick in and out of a corner. 0-60 is not the best on the market but there aren't many cars that have the same kind of utility and usability that are also in the 5 second range anyways, much less one at this price. I honestly felt EXACTLY like you felt when the current Civic Type R was announced. They removed some features that my 22 Civic Sport Touring has. Thankfully the ITS added those features back.

[@Cgage]

​@Roberto Mezquia Jr i get what you are saying. But when i say slow i was referring to like this civics and integras of the past. 130-190 hp. And those weren't necessarily slow. The point i was trying to get across was the civics and acuras have never been race car fast (minus the nsx) and in the video he referred to it as a race car several times which it's not imo. The cars is pretty fast compared to cars under 200 hp. However mustang lovers wouldn't necessarily consider this a fast car. The word fast is subjective i guess. Probably differs for each person depending on what they are used to driving.

[@RobertoMezquiaJr]

@@Cgage agreed 👍

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Thank you for watching! I also appreciate your thoughtful comment! Forgive the long-winded reply, but you spent some time commenting and i want to give a fair amount back :) I think you and I are on the juuust about on same page of what I mean by race car :) CTR to me is actually a race car. It was built for the track, and it conquers. Of course, there are different classes of race cars, IMSA cars, Historic Formula One, IndyCar, they are different breeds, but the genes are race cars. Most of those are not street legal, and I'm not sure Teggy S has everything needed for competition, but Teggy 93 from the video does :) Teggy S...it has all the elements of a street racer, SWEET engine, SWEET tires, SWEET brakes, and the handling is going to be nearly perfect. The dual-axis suspension is sounding very cool. Improved dampening...The other really sweet thing are the genes Acura comes from... racing. The exhaust acoustics is also a huge plus....gonna SOUND like a race car! Let's see how it does on Pikes Peak Hill Climb! :D Now where are you seeing no USBs in the back, and no memory seats? Pre-production cars have been shown so far, not full production yet...I did see no USBs in the back, but I am not sure that will be prod? CTR doesn't have it, so maybe they won't? I'll deduct $750 Arbitrary Plasmadaedal bucks, because I really like memory seats, but im waitingfor that to be official. The back USB, I'll deduct $100 Arbitrary Plasmadaedal bucks...I've never used mine hahah! BUT! if I had three kids (and I do) I would be sad, because I wouldn't be able to share Teggy S with them due to seat delete (hahaha, but part of me says, kids don't belong in Teggy S, they won't give it the respect Teggy S deserves :P....that's Evil Plasmadaedal talking there ;) ). The "Fast-Slow Car" is what this may be considered to some, but if the CTR sets records for FWD on the track, that's a pretty dang FAST slow car. I don't need a real race car, and most people don't, but this car will give you an experience that will feel like one, and its pretty quick to 60...yes, there are faster, but this will hold its own :) i would definitely consider this near a race car level of fun...i was actually talking to a race car driver at the Acura Grand Prix, and they were giving serious praise to Teggy S! Have you given the 2023 Teggy 6MT a test drive yet? It's a super fun car, engaging, handles great, and gets fantastic fuel economy. It seats all three of my kids (although they like sitting in the bigger family SUV better because more room). The 2023 Teggy has memory seats, back USB, moonroof, all the things that people saying are missing...don't think people realize just how FAST the Integra is now too. My 98 GS-R, while still a beauty to drive, is nowhere close to how fun this car is for its general agility, but different eras and both are sweet in their own ways and like you say, still super fun to drive and you won't get into too much trouble :) There may be faster cars out there too, but Acura promises SUPREME balance in the handling. I'd much rather have the balance, than tons of power...Teggy S tho, it'll hold its own :) The Integra design speaks to my soul :) Teggy S speaks to my sportier soul. As mentioned in the video, my true dream car is an NSX or Porsche 911...but I can't afford to entertain that soul right now ;) haha! Now the topic, is the Teggy S worth the price...it isn't worth the price if looking solely for checking boxes. Checking boxes is not the way to buy Teggy, it's much more special than that--it's the experience you will have in driving it...and that is not something easily priced. Is a Porsche 911 really worth it? No, because it's a TON of money...but pricing a Porsche is also not easily done, and it's not check boxes of features...it's very much an experience (althoughthey are seriously amazing quality and fun beyond words). Teggy S is more than an average car, it will promise to be an experience, my friend, that I am very curious about :) I don't work for Acura and they didn't hire me to make this, but I'm a guy who loves and believes in Acura because of what I've seen them accomplish. After driving the 2023 Acura Integra, I was sold on just how good it is. Teggy has plenty of power and is plenty fast...Teggy is is a completely different car, and I can't wait to see how it handles in reality :)

[@Cgage]

@@PlasmadaeDal thanks for the very engaging reply and taking the time out for that thorough response. So to answer your question I drove the 2023 aspec tech MT integra when it first released last summer. I loved everything about it minus the power and the look which I still liked, just didn't love. Unlike everyone else I was excited about the new generation integra and was very excited to get behind the wheel. It was a fun car to drive, I'll admit. I was actually close to buying the black one, but it was just lacking in power for me. I drive a 2020 civic si regularly so maybe that's why i felt it wasn't enough power because the engines are very similar if not the same. At first it felt plenty fast to me (the SI) but over the years I feel like i need more power. It was definitely a step up technology wise from the SI which i really liked. And i agree design wise the type-s is perfect for me. Only thing i tweak is the spoiler. So you made a great point. The car reviews that I've seen were pre-production. It didnt have power passenger side seat. It was manual. It also didn't have the memory position button on the door of the driver side like the aspec tech version. And the back seat area didn't have any usb-c ports. No sunroof to cut down on weight. And no middle row seat. I also wish it had that type-r display and the shift led lights. To your point what I've seen was just pre-production and i made an assumption that the production version would be the same. But i don't have any confirmation the production version will be the same. Hopefully the production interior is closer to the aspec tech version than the pre-production version. Either way I plan to drive the type-s. I still believe it's overpriced personally. But at the same time i really really really want one. I may have to wait a couple years and just grab a used one because the pre-production version isn't worth 52k for me. Especially with the add-ons that i would want, and possible dealer markup.

[@kelzpinero9293]

Yawn. If i want an integra, ill buy an integra... and thats not an integra...

[@PlasmadaeDal]

This IS an Integra! Haha it's got the Integra name embossed in the front and back bumper. It has a well respected Vtech engine inside it. It has 6MT. It has excellent handling, and best of all, it was brought back by Acura! How could it not be an Integra?! Haha :) Acura even created the little notch in the hatch door--that is totally an Integra thing!

[@zalden2565]

It’s probably worth it? But why are there so many “little” downgrades vs the Aspec Tech? The most expensive version ought to come with everything the lower trims have. Despite this, I was really exited and wanted this car. Still do. The deal breaker for me is the lack of the 5th seat. I didn’t realize that at first (I guess I didn’t notice on the CTR either) I have my 3 kids with me at least once a week so this won’t work for me logistically.

[@TheKingkingg]

Did you watch this video? And he is guessing because part and software is one thing, but Americans cost lots of money, so consider engineering team, design team, and other teams. If you can't afford don't comment, if you can afford the other cars you think are better priced, then go get them and don't comment.

[@zalden2565]

@@TheKingkingg I think you missed my point. It’s my prerogative to post my opinion and, thankfully for me, it’s not your prerogative to decide whether or not I should.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

I totally get it, the third seat delete is a bit of a bummer for 5-person configurations--Acura was very specific when releasing the Integra for the first time, but I think the 2023 Integra is the PERFECT car for most scenarios, and way more practical, but Acura needed to send a message about thee Type S, so they are making it a true racer. Did you ever go test drive the 2023 Teggy? It's still an absolutely amazing ride, and it has the two things people have been missing :)

[@zalden2565]

@@PlasmadaeDal I not only test drove the 2023 teggy, I bought one and love it 😁. I know they have to market their cars a certain way and margins are a thing, but a stripped out racer version of the integra exists in the CTR. Still, add the 5th seat and I’ll go buy it. So, when I ask why did they have to do these things, I mean WHHHHYYYYY did they have to do these things!? Hope I didn’t come off as a troll, I didn’t mean anything that way.

[@TheKingkingg]

@Zalden 256 it is your prerogative to speak truth and not spread lies and deceptions and lead people astray. Journalists fought for free speech to tell truth behind politics lies and wars, you do not have free speech to hurt Honda sales or hurt anyone. Many of you cowards make comments about people reviewing and overviews with negative comments but when people like me with lion spirit approach you you will feel fear...but , little dogs like you love to bark even at your own destruction.

[@ronherman8067]

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[@PlasmadaeDal]

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[@TheKingkingg]

Nice overview fellow 2023 teggy owner and not just some opinionated losers. The cost you proposed are ok and parts only even though i believe is more. Then their is high costs of Americans working on the car from engineering teams, to design teams and the back and forth which started before 2023 models came out. So, i believe in some ways Acura will make very little profit on type S to keep sales prices this low. People complain about price but are some of same people than want to be paid lots of money for work they do and that's a huge factor in prices of American made Honda products especially Acura.. i think price is great for value, but some dealerships and sales people are crooks(going back to Americans want to be paid large amount of money), this is the real downfalls than will see far less sales than Acura expected unless the put strong leash on this crooked behavior of price rape and lawsuits and jail time on table. Those that cannot afford comments are irrelevant and can wait few years for used ones. The others that comments are irrelevant is those not even interested to by one. Great overview again.

[@PlasmadaeDal]

Thanks for watching, and agreed, it does cost a LOT of money to make cars, but this car in particular is a very special car, and like you said, it's very possible Acura won't make a ton of money on them, but the statement they are making is gonna be very clear: Acura KNOWS how to make a freaking awesome racer, and make it cozy too! I do hope dealers will be kind....the markups are going to be...interesting

[@TheKingkingg]

@Layne hahaha hahaha hahaha 😆 I put $10, 000 deposit and will trade my 2020 2.0T Accord which I love and only dealerships mark up would change that as I am still keeping my 2023 Integra to give my son when he gets his second stage driver license and can drive alone

[@TheKingkingg]

@@PlasmadaeDal Agreed 👍 🙌 👏

[@TheKingkingg]

@@layne4376 no, and today I call you my friend, because you don't need me as your enemy.

[@Vosovogalsyncope]

​@@PlasmadaeDal a very "special car" riiight. whatever makes you guys feel better after getting took by a car stealership.