THE $50,000 PREVOST PROBLEM NOBODY TALKS ABOUT

[@donbruder6838]

Wow that’s crazy, I would be very upset if that happened to a high dollar coach like that ! That’s pretty sad ! Great Video Andrew Thanks for keeping it real !

[@luvbig41]

Exactly!!!

[@cliffmorgan31]

Shattered Prevost’s quality image for me! Wow. I’ll never lust after one again!

[@crankychris2]

I'm hip. I guess it's like lusting after anything that's unaffordable. More fake 'prestige' than real value. My ranking at KOA could suffer though...

[@SuperTekBoy1]

Maybe Prevost needs to go back to riveting their panels on. I always thought the rivets looked cool.

[@aaronho4242]

I have a 1985 MCI and the riveted panels look amazing and the stainless looks amazing once you overheat the engine and it gets a rainbow look

[@TheGregWallace]

Exactly! If was not broke don't fix it.

[@llspragulus]

I agree that the rivets look badass.

[@carsjt1076]

Love the look of the riveted coaches. This is a major problem that would turn me right off from even considering an xl2

[@mrbear3487]

50 thousand for glueing panels I’m in the wrong business

[@hanserikkratholmrasmussen6623]

Me too ;-)

[@bryanst.martin7134]

It's the getting them off without ruining them, or buying all new Stainless Steel panels and sand the substrate to smooth again. Either way it's time consuming and something the Prevost Co should have sued for. Then again it could be the substrate dissolving, causing the adhesion to fail. I don't know the backing, so these are considerations of known failures in the real world.

[@mrbear3487]

Bryan St.Martin sorry to hear that I guess their no such thing as easy 💰 worked in family’s body shop the work hours that goes into refinishing a car is a butt kicker

[@paulkersey2179]

Amen brother, eve if you have to take the rivets out and preplace with new ones, 4 days job.

[@brucefay5126]

He said in the video that a large portion of the cost was re-painting. A full-body, multi-color re-paint on a 45’ Prevost can run $60K to $100K.

[@VanaConn]

Interesting to know. Beautiful being so smooth but a few polished rivets would seem to be a more intelligent long term solution.

[@prophetkeyset2628]

So delamination was thought to be a mass produced fiberglass RV problem! Yikes. Great information Andrew.

[@MrDirtbiker2006]

Crazy to have these problems on such an expensive coach

[@todda8695]

There are just as many suckers at this price point...maybe even more.

[@luisroig104]

Dude I dig your channel because your just about the only one to tell people the price of most RV's you go over.

[@richardpotter201]

If you stay on top of any Prevost delam issue, you can have these re-glued by any qualified Prevost repair shop for around $800 - $1,000. The re-glue is required about every 3 years or so. Anyone spending $35k or more to fix a fairly common problem like this is wasting money. I've had my XL2 for 8 years and had to have this done twice only in that time period. It's a shame that videos like this don't tell the whole story.

[@MeetJoeBlack55]

Reminds us poor people to stay away from shiny things ..... LOL

[@danielmarshall4587]

Man alive you brought me a smile thank you.... also I must get my £2.50 LOTTO ticket.

[@masondix2765]

This shiny shit is for Mike bloomberg & Carlos slim, ETC

[@dvfreelancer]

I would never have suspected a manufacturer would glue on stainless steel panels.

[@atimko123]

Also a problem in the architectural industry Architects want mechanically fastened...while many developers and contractors want to glue things together fast/cheap

[@thomaslgrice]

@@brichusi Except for Space Shuttle Columbia :(

[@jackrussellville]

@@thomaslgrice don't forget Challenger

[@richn7299]

@@jackrussellville I was there, I saw it.

[@manuhonkanen2111]

@@brichusi Those were the Expensive buses!

[@egosystem9959]

The best video you have done Andrew - valuable information !

[@danielf.6059]

The real idiots are the ones who would agree to that price!! DIY

[@mikep4823]

Some have more money then brains. As long as it looks good is what counts.

[@Mr-Curious]

if you can afford it why not. ;) Must be nice to be in the position to be able to take this home new ;)

[@sh0t0kan]

I have to disagree. If you can afford a Prevost most likely you can afford the fix if you own on that has this issue.

[@willysnowman]

$100 self tapping screws and a case of beer.

[@williamheadrick9173]

yes

[@henkbarnard1553]

and some silicone

[@normferguson2769]

willysnowman what kind of beer? Not the Budweiser stuff I hope.

[@willysnowman]

@@normferguson2769 ugh. something light like pacifico. don't want to have crooked screws. :)

[@davidjohnmiller4849]

Get some Robertson screws at Canadian Tire

[@brianestee1780]

Andrew - Another great and informative video! Thank you! I'm like you...a "wannabe" Prevost owner who currently owns an 07 DutchStar. I have had my eye on both the older XL and less older XLII models. I may now decide to pull the trigger on a nice old XL or maybe an H3 and stay away from the XLII models. Or, my wife wins out and we keep the DutchStar! 🤣

[@purschel6723]

Wow Andrew you don’t mess around lol! Thanks so much for the video, you have such great connections to find all this information for us! Where I live you rarely see a Prevost on the road (especially in the winter) let alone get a chance to talk to owners about them, I’ll have to check out some forums in the future too. Really appreciate your honesty in all your videos I’m guessing that’s why your subscribers keep increasing. I’ll know who to call when I get my bus and am parked in Phoenix for the winter in a couple years!

[@metroexecutiveconciergetra9900]

That is great information on the XL and XL-II's. Will you ever do any videos on the H3-45's? I am looking to purchase one and your channel has provided good insight on designs, flaws, options, and so much more...keep it up! I love the stainless steel look but the maintenance and cost with this new information on pre-owned units is eye-opening!

[@MrSafetyForever]

Invaluable knowledge for those in the market for a Prevost! Take Care

[@kathyfann]

I got mine to use. I got it last June and it has over 12,000. Miles so far. Going again when the quarantine is over.

[@johnnyhunter4345]

Expect the current owner to fix by Prevost, as part of your purchase, head over to Prevost forums to understand why you should still strongly consider a used prevost over other later model Class A's....

[@gordonhurd2340]

That's one more reason i prefer the entertainer x3. I like the look of that smooth metal above the bays.

[@serenitysearchers2909]

Thanks for sharing this video, it is very good to have this information when considering a purchase. I wish there were more honest sharing like this. Of course it still dont mean someone shouldn't buy one of these.. some fixes are worth paying for, depending on the coach!

[@freeetosaywhatilike7473]

You just save us a ton of money thank you .ps I touch and pull on all part see if they lose then Questioning it and get 2nd input on that part etc .

[@belts5953]

Pretty good video Andrew and thanks for the tips to look out. Funny thing what’s up with the tire rolling along? Lol!!!👍

[@jimdross2132]

We enjoy our older non-slide XL45, was seriously looking for a XL2. Think we will continue to enjoy our coach and not upgrade. Thank you for this video. Looking foreword to hitting the road after the Quarantine, cancelled all reservations up through August so far.

[@shawnheaps8554]

Great video again Andrew, good useful information like you said kinda depends on how much heat the coach has been in over the years and cold but l look at it this way it’s just like buying a used home it’s always going to need maintenance to keep in top notch shape every thing breaks down in time

[@philhobson3068]

I’m glad you’re talking about this issue, which has been around for over a decade. For a company like Prevost, which prides itself on quality and excellence in engineering, this ongoing issue is inexcusable. Obviously there is a problem with glue selection, production process, or both (I question Prevost decision to use glue in the first place, when this seems like an ideal application for double sided tape). As a mechanical engineer, I know that manufacturing problems like this are solvable. And, while finding the solution is not easy (it takes resources and a pragmatic approach to problem solving), I wonder which is more costly; fixing the issue, or the hit to Prevost reputation? It’s one of the reasons I’m hesitant to buy a used XL11.

[@zachedelen2246]

You're talking about a quality control issue from years ago being inexcusable today. Once it became a known issue they changed their ways. They've changed their process in which siding panels applied. Stop complaining about old coaches. Engineers such as yourself are not immune to errors. Once they made a mistake, they learned. Prevost is NOT Latin for PERFECT. Yet, the =y remain the best coaches on the road. Including Charlie Daniels 2.5 million coach that was warranried for squeeks & rattles the ENTIRE time. Who else can boast that statement? NOBODY!!!

[@bill8582]

Double sided tape erodes over time, and lets go too, I would suggest a urethane windshield glue, ever cut out a windshield? That stuff stays stuck. There is also a product in the automotive field called panel bond, it is a two stage product, and when cured is almost impossible to pry apart, as a matter of fact when it was first introduced to the market, 3M came by our shop, glued two pieces of sheetmetal together and once it dried we hooked it up to our frame pulling machine with chains and clamps and the glued section stayed stuck but the metal ripped in another spot. However I'd just stay with the riveted models anyway, I like the rivets.

[@bill-chichi9701]

Man, that is such great info. Bravo man ✌️

[@kathyfann]

Wow I thought these were state of the art and this type thing was not happening. Shocking really an eye opener. Thank You My little tiny Sunseeker has Asdel siding and the exterior they say can’t have that Problem. It’s a under a hundred thousand dollars for a brand new little ride. 25 feet long wow I had no idea, thank You again.

[@gmartin8043]

Good to know that Andrew, I’m in the market for a XLII, Prevost should’ve engineered that major problem out years ago, or at least life time warranties for any person that owns it.

[@sucapizda]

Clearly none of these guys ever heard of a gorilla tape.

[@alb12345672]

Aluminum duct tape would solve it, if you don't mind the look :lol:

[@PatrickWagz]

*Flex Seal*

[@busoldmanphil7293]

I like the looks of the riveted ones better anyway and I'll bet they are much stronger structurally.

[@imike0367]

Andrew - this is a great video. About 2 years ago we met a guy named Kyle Bennett at Tradewinds RV in FL. They maintain, service and broker preowned RVs and namely know their Prevosts. He was the first to explain this to my wife and I and show is the difference and what to look for and it became a regular question thereafter in our hunt for a XLII conversion. What we soon learned is that if a XL is less expensive by about $30K to $50K then the owner or seller knows about the delam and will say nothing usually unless asked directly. Or they’ll say they don’t know. Kyle was incredibly good about showing us what to look for. Then we met Austin Hicks at Olympia and he did the same. Basically - it’s a $30K to $50K fix. And may be right and may not be. They can’t just glue them back and if they tell you they can then they are wrong. They usually use a vertical strip between the panels. If water gets behind them then it will he even worse. Nobody knows that answer until they get into the coach. The problem was supposedly fixed in the X3. So, we switched gears to the preowned X3 hunt (want to stay under $1M) and/or the H3. We have now taken a liking to Emerald after watching the quad slide H on your channel. Mr Walker has it down. Our tastes to a T and right up the road from us. Thanks Andrew.

[@RVingwithAndrewSteele]

Thank you for your feedback! I have met Kyle and he is a good guy. I have not Met Austin personally but have heard that he is a good guy as well. Your comment says a lot about both of them and their integrity. Best of luck to you on your hunt for an X3! I'm sure with all the craziness going on right now, you will be able to find a good deal somewhere.

[@imike0367]

@@RVingwithAndrewSteele Actively looking.

[@ianhumphry1]

just one more reason i prefer the H3, no metal side panels. another great video Andrew, and as always, stay safe and give Sadie some love for me.

[@EndlessRVing]

Excellent info thanks for sharing. Izzy

[@DLTJR1959]

Thank you Andrew for your videos. I really appreciate it. IMHO...get an XL and call it a day. I got a Wanderlodge and called it a day. No delam on a welded all steel bus.

[@Jesse-gv9tf]

Thank you for covering this. I'm looking for a new coach and this is something to consider for the future.

[@pedrocaballero1497]

With problems existing on older coaches, has the company done anything to remedy this issue(s) on the new models?

[@robertpini6285]

Excellent info Andrew thanks

[@kathyfann]

Mine would just be inclosed when it was in for service and fixing what fails on the previous trip. Well thank You for the heads up.

[@MountainMan.]

it's "enclosed", not "inclosed". Inclosed is not even a word.

[@williamlambert2865]

Thanks for letting us know

[@MrOlson4863]

Who's your ideal employee you keep an eye out for when looking for a driver?

[@peaceman7332]

Recently subscribe to your channel great videos and knowledge thank you anyways what's your absolute favorite coach

[@dan92677]

Thank you! VERY interesting!!!!!!

[@wonderingtimesllc7203]

What a unique concept to video audio capture. Two types audio is quite effective Andrew.

[@brent3523]

Thanks you do a GREAT SHOW

[@philcraine3289]

well that would do it for me, what I had heard is that PREVOST always took care and stood behind their coaches. Yep drive it until the sides fall off. or water gets inside the skins and grows mold in there.

[@terryharrison6984]

The problem is heat and cold expansion and contraction.i worked at motor coach in Winnipeg almost twenty years ago when they started making the new fiberglass coaches.they had same problem because there was no spacers between the metal frame and the fiberglass panels.The expansion would cause the seal to break so we basically cut the seal and cleaned it off then put spacers in and put the cicka flex sealant back and clamp it until dry.

[@redcrawfordsgarage5802]

Invaluable information for prospective buyers------or at least $50k worth! Saved to my "Prevost" playlist....for future reference. 🤙

[@capitandonzi2113]

Rivet them up and be done with it.

[@billcallaway5736]

never be as good as an airstream..

[@capitandonzi2113]

Bill Callaway if a Prevost is a 10, an Airstream is maybe a 3. Most of the pipes and wiring are under the floor on an AS. To repair you have to rip out the flooring. Not a good design. Very light duty.

[@billcallaway5736]

@@capitandonzi2113 I got a 73. 31 footer I have not even replaced the refrigerator. Solar panels and a four battery pack.. You think you're prevost will last as long as my Airstream????. Cost as little to maintain ???pull it with 69 one ton Ford 4 wheel diesel van. 14 mpg. Yes I like prevost $ 800000 less I'll keep my airstream. Life is good enjoy your prevost.

[@solarchild1]

Andrew very good!been in the rv industry a long time.most laminated bodies sooner or later will delaminate.been looking for decade for a xl45 Finally got a 95 the body and chassis age is like it was 5 years old.it is built like it could last 50 years.be safe thank you for the great and informative video s.

[@solarchild1]

Love kicking the tire down the Road

[@barnyard4068]

This video is definitely informative!!! Thanks!!!

[@mybizz8542]

Delamm is a problem with ALL large motorhomes, not just Prevost! I had to pop rivets the sides over the tires on my Monaco, cost me about $15.00 and did it my self

[@kingjames8283]

Prevost should've stayed with riveted panels. As for coaches, I prefer VanHool's for the smoother ride quality Prevost don't have.

[@mrpaulgrimm6129]

They should have rivets at the factory like a airstreams

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

Probably cheaper and faster to glue it, and you know how corporations are. They WILL cut costs at the expense of quality.

[@h5mind373]

Two questions: do the exterior panels seal out the weather, or just cosmetic? Secondly , are there any reports of panels actually flying off if not reattached?

[@kathyfann]

Are there others as well that are not on a normal check list?

[@garylovio1180]

Great information, thank you!

[@17forever64]

Thank you for point this out. What a shame.

[@fin1964]

great job what are some of the other big problems ?

[@hoofixrman]

Excellent vid Andrew!

[@DustinNehl]

Very good video!!! However I'm wondering about the H3-45 models? Any input? Thanks!

[@patriot8087]

Awesome information Andrew. This information really makes the Newell's the ones to buy for my hard earned money.

[@sheikhrahman3109]

Million dollar motorhome and your still dealing with delamination like an old bounder or Fleetwood. Please bring back good old American quality. Rivets never hurt nobody and they look good

[@MountainMan.]

It's "you're still dealing", not "your still dealing"

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

They hurt the manufacturer's bottom line, which is such horseshit. Also, these aren't a million dollars anymore. Most of these aren't even a half a million dollars now.

[@danielmarshall4587]

Great vid great insight and what a fantastic vehicle.

[@terryharrison6984]

My first comments disappeared?I will repeat.i worked at motor coach when the fiberglass coaches first started.the problem was no spacers between metal frame and fiberglass panels so the Sika flex had no flexibility so the expansion and contraction from -20 to +100 degrees would break the seal and come loose.solutikn was to cut the seal loose clean it off put spacers and re seal.this was close to 20 years ago so IAM very alarmed all coach builders don't know or pretending not to know?

[@crynsky]

Good information thank you.

[@normanvolion2273]

With know experience of driving a 40' RV is there some type of school or driving orientation for that? Love to know! Ty. God Bless!🙏🙏🙏

[@goutvols103]

Thank you for your video. Are you able to provide the Bus Converter Company? Was this a Prevost or Bus Converter issue? Was the delamination covered under warranty?

[@Roc900]

Great Info... Thanx for Sharing

[@Collectord]

How about the x3? Same problem?

[@adrianstanciu8876]

Old school method with some rivets resolve the problem!

[@NomadicSociety]

just prick punch it 1st!!! nothing worse than slipping when your drillin the hole and leaving a mark from you know where down your stainless steel beauty!

[@joseconcepcion3159]

Great Job, thank you for your video

[@TASMAN-1]

A flaw in manufacturing means it's the builders responsibility to repair it, at their own cost.

[@hubertasselin8880]

There's what we call Entertainer Coach and the Motorhome coach. The entertainers are basically tour buses which are mostly leased. The motorhome are the private coaches and those have two rows on chromed stainless panels. The entertainers just have the bottom row. I started working at Prévost last January and I like seeing this kind of videos... rest assured they changed there glue quite a while ago though so if you buy one that needs that kind of fix...they'll put the new glue that they now use to hold these panels

[@penniesfromheaven2511]

It’s not “chromed” stainless, it’s polished stainless. Have owned Prevost and MCI coaches and still do.

[@luiselapostolfeliz2421]

Hi Andrew, my name is Luis Urbieta and I have a question. How can you prevent Delamination from happening? Is there a spray that can seal the desalination completely and make it "DELAM-FREE? Plz reply.

[@patfink9557]

You could use panel bond from an auto body supply store.

[@BxCortez2050]

xl with the rivets looks nice

[@dalehaggart407]

I use to drive Marathon xl working girl. My dad was in to rvs and we had friends that had conversions so seeing all those coaches gave me a big case of i wants !!!They are so pretty !!! I saw a Senator coach up in Montreal ( in the 90s )and the driver was trying to get to drive for them . I have been the the factory for Prevost as well.

[@miguelamaya6246]

Thank you, we are getting 2 buses so we can travel... good information to look for...

[@ej2659]

Why wouldn't you just rivet them? Couldn't cost more than a couple hundred dollars at most. You could even color match the rivets.

[@robertcollins6170]

Cosmetics.

[@zzanatos2001]

@Etienne That still doesn't seem like $30-$50K worth of labor.

[@tc7268]

Enjoy your videos very much, hate to change subject but what your opinion on Class A Thor motor coach, looking at a 2015 asking price 163,000 50k miles, if you get a chance to reply

[@paulw.woodring7304]

Your best trip RV/Plane/Yacht is someone else's that you lease/rent - if you're not using it nearly full-time. You notice most bands lease their buses for their tours, because they don't need to pay to have them sit between outings, and they can lease newer buses for each tour.

[@jjohnson8977]

2 million for something that is glued together

[@chipjumper]

High class problems.... Considering the cost of a Prevost, this isn’t that dreadful. Hence a thorough prebuy inspection is critical. Anyone that owns an aircraft can share similar experiences and learning lessons.

[@davidcanady7935]

chipjumper Considering the cost, this should be completely unacceptable!

[@rodgerarmstrong2464]

Agreed, I sure found out...

[@kennethmcknight8995]

what I would do is teck-screw it so you have only a head of a nut showing the right one for length etc stainless

[@edwardbella3871]

Did this problem begin after or before Volvo purchased prevost..

[@dpl2617]

The hat, shirt, and sunglasses screem Walmart blue light special.. Thanks for the info...

[@charlesrobertson6341]

As one who is considering RVing full time, I appreciate this. A suggestion for the future is to go over some of the safety features by year or modifier. When I look at descriptions of motorhomes, I an drawn to items like collision avoidance, blind spot warnings, ect. Doubt that I am the only one. Another thing is do Prevost units have a sliding tray that covers the entry steps? If not, what prevents the passenger from falling down the stairs?

[@richardradzinsky2755]

seat belt.

[@nemo227]

When you're spending big money on ANYTHING you must inspect diligently. It doesn't matter the thing or service for which you're spending; RV, boat, home, etc. Due diligence is what the lawyer types call it.

[@SuperRobertwillis]

Nice nice vlog mate did videoBob buy his PREVOST from that place 😂😂😂💕

[@brentpaulus4195]

What's the difference between the XL & the XL2? Rivets, Engine, Suspension, anything else?

[@tutorage]

Do the Newell coaches have a similar issue with delamination? Thanks for everything you do Andrew.

[@RVingwithAndrewSteele]

No, not that I know of

[@wrzl1675]

The riveted buses are the commercial buses ( grey hound, Erie ) but the motorhome people don’t like the rivets so what you have is “ be careful what you wish for, you might just get it”

[@panoramadan62]

Not exactly. The difference is the year and model. XL were up to 2001 and both seated coaches and Motorhomes have rivets. When the XL II was introduced both seated and Motorhomes have no rivets.

[@carmencolon3520]

Where is this dealer located? Thank so much for the information. I thought we won't have this problem with Prevost.

[@vwdarrin]

Don’t know if you can help but I have a 2003 Newmar has developed a problem where it will start up and run perfect and then it shuts off And the dash loses all power Then if you wait it will come back to life and you can restart the coach I am terrified to drive it and terrified to see how much it would cost to have it towed to Tampa to have it repaired if anybody has any advice on this problem I would really appreciate it thank you for all the great information

[@707SonomaComa]

Do all motor coaches have de-lamination issues or is Prevost the only one? And do only certain models have de-lamination problems as of 2021?

[@DieselDucy]

I have read where the issue causes water to come into the living space. I can't believe that such an expensive product such as a motorcoach has such a serious flaw.

[@davidjames5727]

Slap some FLEX SEAL/FLEX GLUE in those joints your good to go!

[@altruisticscoundrel]

Great job with this video!