The 7 different ways to pronounce ん / 「ん」の7つの音

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@igamergirl14
@igamergirl14 2 жыл бұрын
I really thought there'd be a joke...but no...I LEARNED something here?!
@fzndn-xvii
@fzndn-xvii 2 жыл бұрын
For real, I'm waiting for the punchline lol
@Colopty
@Colopty 2 жыл бұрын
With short Dogen videos you never know what you'll get.
@theaverageglasses6197
@theaverageglasses6197 2 жыл бұрын
The joke is, that you learned rules are meaningless, life is pain and my Japanese hatsuon will never be as good as Dogens.
@igamergirl14
@igamergirl14 2 жыл бұрын
@KnightGunny It's certainly a convincing argument lol. I knew the ん was a little nuanced but no idea to this extent
@StevenHuxley
@StevenHuxley 2 жыл бұрын
You learned something? 日本語上手です!
@ayukot
@ayukot 2 жыл бұрын
「ん」の発音がこんなに奥深いとは知りませんでした、びっくりです👀
@SelcraigClimbs
@SelcraigClimbs 2 жыл бұрын
「奥深い」っていい単語👍勉強になって語彙が増えられて感謝です😊
@無気力理系
@無気力理系 2 жыл бұрын
@@SelcraigClimbs 相手特に上司や先輩の話を聞いて「この人の話良く分からんなぁwww」思ったら 「へぇーー 奥深いですねぇー」言うとけば何とかなりますよ
@SelcraigClimbs
@SelcraigClimbs 2 жыл бұрын
@@無気力理系 そういう使い方もあることを教えてくれてありがとうございます。そんな風にこっそりとそんな状況から脱走できますwww
@akb257
@akb257 Жыл бұрын
「奥深いですね」は、「あなたの話はつまらないから、そろそろ話すのやめてくれないか」という意味です。
@antonynormand6592
@antonynormand6592 2 жыл бұрын
Your ん mastery is a great insight into your Japanese fluency. First time seeing the phonology of something that's quite automatic after some years. You made me realize that my 原因 pronunciation needed some polishing. Thank you!!
@Whillyy
@Whillyy 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah i myself fell in the romanisation and i was always trying to pronounce it "ge-n-in". Relying on the so confortable romaji is bad :/
@modernpirate
@modernpirate 2 жыл бұрын
言語の仕組みにこだわりすぎなんだよ。
@MrKleenexDude
@MrKleenexDude 2 жыл бұрын
@@Whillyy You should just never use romaji in the first place imo
@rachelcookie321
@rachelcookie321 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrKleenexDude well you’re gonna need romaji to learn the Japanese characters. And from my experience your brain kind of automatically translates Japanese text into romaji as your brain is more familiar with that alphabet. Your brain would probably stop translating it after a lot of exposure to the language.
@avidlearner312
@avidlearner312 2 жыл бұрын
@@rachelcookie321 nope,it depends on the person and the way they learn japanese,for example,if you learn japanese syllables mostly by listening and reading them,you'll be fine without translating (sorry if I did some mistakes, my English sucks tbh)
@saulgoodman4451
@saulgoodman4451 2 жыл бұрын
I was saying all of these but never actually realized that I was saying ん in different ways
@Broockle
@Broockle 2 жыл бұрын
even げんいん?
@FDE-fw1hd
@FDE-fw1hd 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Never seemed to hit me
@eletricsaberman8916
@eletricsaberman8916 2 жыл бұрын
ikr. it never felt different to me, simply "n" adjusted for euphony
@sta292
@sta292 2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty cool going into Japanese from studying Spanish phonology. So much of this can be carried over into both languages. I promise to anyone confused by this that's its far more intuitive than it appears.
@kiechau
@kiechau 2 жыл бұрын
Oohh, is there any similar stuff like this in Spanish? I'm a native so I can't tell lmao
@sta292
@sta292 2 жыл бұрын
@@kiechau [ n ] in Spanish also (mostly) becomes pronounced as [ m ], [ ŋ ], [ ṉ ], etc. depending on the consonant that follows it. I was taught to call it 'asimilación nasal.' Basically, your mouth preemptively puts itself in position to pronounce the consonant that follows "n" as the "n" is still being pronounced. So, the "n" in "angel" sounds more like the "n" in the English "-ing" rather than a standard [ n ] cause that's the position from which your mouth will pronounce "g", and so on. Of course, most people, especially native speakers, just sort of do this naturally. That last "n" Dogen mentioned, however, I don't think is in Spanish.
@bobbie3713
@bobbie3713 2 жыл бұрын
I speak spanish as a first language and i cant see it
@Whillyy
@Whillyy 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah actually you just have to remember that the ん is just nasal, and it follows the next letter, i tend to see it as a っ but as a "nasal vocalised form" Like if you want to say がっこう while you're at the っ you're preparing to say the k for こ. The same applies for ん, when you say "かんぱい" you're pronouncing the ん as a m because you're "pausing" and prepare to pronounce the "p" for "pai", to say the p you have to close your mouth, and a nasal with your mouth closed makes an m. Like it's the same as if you're saying かっぱい, you're just "nasal vocalising" the っ Same for hantai, to say the ん you have to prepare the t that's following, so it becomes an n Same for sanka(preparing a k with a nasal so it become a ŋ) ect ... The most confusing part is only when we transcribe it in romaji, the ん ALWAYS become an n, so we learn it and we pronounce it as an n, but it's not an n, it's just "nasal vocalised consonant". (sorry if it's confusing english is not my native language :/)
@dalimatram
@dalimatram 2 жыл бұрын
Me as a native Spanish speaker totally agree with that! I prefer study phonology from Spanish, but with the grammar I'm more into learning from English.
@comcom910
@comcom910 2 жыл бұрын
すご、、日本人だけど出てきた文章読んでみたら全部イラスト通りになっててびびったw こんなに種類があったとは…
@comcom910
@comcom910 2 жыл бұрын
かといって聞き分けられるかと言われたら無理だな 日本語学習者は意識して使い分ける必要はあまりないと思う
@Dogen
@Dogen 2 жыл бұрын
short* explanation haha for more pronunciation and pitch-accent tutorials visit www.patreon.com/dogen !
@amandapung3538
@amandapung3538 2 жыл бұрын
Pin it so it's top comment!
@SonOfMeme
@SonOfMeme 2 жыл бұрын
Credibility destroyed; Carreer over
@TW-fj3he
@TW-fj3he 2 жыл бұрын
日本人だけど、この違いを意識することは全くなかったな… 日本語学習者にはこんなに難しいのか
@minhhoangpham2944
@minhhoangpham2944 Жыл бұрын
Yes. The pronunciation of your language is very complicated😢. But it sounds pretty cool and I love anime. So keep going😂
@avidlearner312
@avidlearner312 Жыл бұрын
まあアメリカ英語の発音の方が難しいと思うけど
@elfchild9
@elfchild9 2 жыл бұрын
I just ran across 千円 (せんえん) on Wanikani the other day, and I kept wondering why it sounded like they were saying "seyen". This explains so much!
@Abra391
@Abra391 2 жыл бұрын
Same !!
@derais_music
@derais_music 2 жыл бұрын
It's why ¥ is still Yen despite the ye sound not being used in Modern Japanese at all.
@mimiko-f5
@mimiko-f5 2 жыл бұрын
日本で生まれ育ってなんとなく話してたから7つも「ん」があるなんて知らなかったですw
@Sanguimaru
@Sanguimaru 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds a lot like many of these pronunciations would just happen naturally based on the placement of your anatomy as you go from one sound to the next during speech. So I wonder how much actual practice one might need to put in to doing various ん sounds to adapt to a more accurate Japanese pronunciation of various words.
@lbriggs
@lbriggs 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I think, like it's just easier to say n in the ways that Dogen outlines for me, it comes almost naturally.
@yoku651
@yoku651 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that's correct. It's called assimilation. A phoneme changes to become more similar to other nearby sounds. It happens in English too.
@muttlanguages3912
@muttlanguages3912 2 жыл бұрын
From what I can tell, vowels before an n also change in Japanese, as in English. You can either spend forever trying to perfect it mechanically or just go with the flow and hope for the best.
@modernpirate
@modernpirate 2 жыл бұрын
This is a deep-dive for linguistic nerds. If you are primarily interested in the practical application, I wouldn't waste to much effort on it as long as you are aware of the subtle differences in pronunciation.
@keoghanwhimsically2268
@keoghanwhimsically2268 2 жыл бұрын
You are right, and that’s exactly what’s happening here. This is really more of a caution to speakers of other languages that “phonemically” distinguish the different sounds, like English does, and thus will sound awkward when they pronounce the sound as just an _n_ . (Linguistically, phonemic distinctions are when the sounds can distinguish meanings of words in a specific language. For example, “kin”, “Kim”, and “king” in English demonstrate how _n_ , _m_ , and _ng_ represent different phonemes in English. They are the same phoneme in Japanese, however.)
@urykmilian3988
@urykmilian3988 2 жыл бұрын
Dogeん you really are the best! Love your coんteんt; it's very helpful towards my studies!
@nathanfrentzel7197
@nathanfrentzel7197 2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea why no one explained this when I was studying Japanese, because it was definitely something I wondered about. I've been studying Korean for a couple of years now though and after learning how the pronuncation of 받침 changes depending on the next sound these ん rules feel incredibly natural.
@popopopupupu8760
@popopopupupu8760 2 жыл бұрын
Dogenさんが話している英語はよく分からなかったですが、発音の違いはなんとなく分かりました! 大学の講義で最近扱った内容だったので、おもしろかったです。ありがとうございます!
@Hananotaka
@Hananotaka 2 жыл бұрын
Affirmation - うん! Negation - ううん。 Confusion - ん? Reflection - うーん… Manga character taking a blow - ん! Manga character groaning after taking a blow - うーーん Manga character gloating after delivering a blow. - ん!😈
@HaiTomVlog
@HaiTomVlog 2 жыл бұрын
Perfection 👏🏼It’s even spot on when you hit the translation for this post 👌🏼😂
@itowelhaveadream9463
@itowelhaveadream9463 2 жыл бұрын
oh wow .... he even has a classic piano at the end, never thought Dogen could sound so profissional.
@thesameboyyouvealwaysknown904
@thesameboyyouvealwaysknown904 2 жыл бұрын
Even as a native japanese speaker i find the ん before an i sound super hard to pronounce. I'm sure most Japanese do too so we usually pronounce it with a stretched sound. Like げんいん→げーいん  てんいん→てーいん Or a very subtle ん sound.
@adelalovesmadara4062
@adelalovesmadara4062 2 жыл бұрын
Wow.
@evildaughter4
@evildaughter4 2 жыл бұрын
I KNEW I WASNT CRAZY AHAHAHAHAH
@thesameboyyouvealwaysknown904
@thesameboyyouvealwaysknown904 2 жыл бұрын
@@evildaughter4 definitely not lol. There are some words we use the subtle ん sound for, like あんい, たんい and if you said them with a stretched sound, it'd sound weird. Idk if there's any rule to it, but yeah Japanese really is difficult for us too so you're not crazy 😂
@zahraa4149
@zahraa4149 2 жыл бұрын
I actually didn't know there was an ん in げんいん. Same with れんあい I was mind blown the first the I realized it lol
@thesameboyyouvealwaysknown904
@thesameboyyouvealwaysknown904 2 жыл бұрын
@@zahraa4149 yeah some Japanese actually do think げんいん is げいいん too lol.
@JPCLASS
@JPCLASS 2 жыл бұрын
よく分かりました。ありがとうございました。
@Sylykyn
@Sylykyn 2 жыл бұрын
being pronouncing 原因 the correct way without realizing it, wow, that's the power of immersion
@mimoza962
@mimoza962 2 жыл бұрын
なるほど〜英語には ん の発音ないのか、って思って喉を締めずに英語読んだらめちゃくちゃうまいって言われた✨
@captainkacke1651
@captainkacke1651 2 жыл бұрын
It's so interesting how I am doing all of those pronounciations naturally simply because I learned Japanese by listening more than by book. I love learning the reasons for why something is the way it is, and some Japanese learners can for sure benefit from this information👍
@JasperCasper24
@JasperCasper24 2 жыл бұрын
Same! I learn how to speak through imitation so I don't even realise there's a difference sometimes cus "that's just how it be"
@VitinRitsu
@VitinRitsu 2 жыл бұрын
You are learning how every japanese learned it, it is a usefull thing to know for sure but there is no way in hell you will remember the rules everytime you say a word with “ん" in it. I would even go as far as to say that most japanese don't even know this rule, they just do it like they heard.
@MakotoTheKnight
@MakotoTheKnight 2 жыл бұрын
To a degree and with my up until recent understanding of how to sound out ん, this at least explains why せんぱい gets phonetically transliterated as "sempai". Thanks for the info! This was very helpful.
@AhsokaJackson
@AhsokaJackson 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that one had me puzzled, as well! 😅
@aloysiusdevadanderabercrombie8
@aloysiusdevadanderabercrombie8 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, older romanization systems would transliterate the nasal before bilabials as ⟨m⟩. I think all of the romanization systems in common use nowadays always transliterate the nasal as ⟨n⟩, or ⟨n'⟩ before a vowel and ⟨y⟩ in order to differentiate ⟨n'a⟩ ⟨n'i⟩ ⟨n'u⟩ ⟨n'e⟩ ⟨n'o⟩ ⟨n'ya⟩ ⟨n'yu⟩ and ⟨n'yo⟩ from ⟨na⟩ ⟨ni⟩ ⟨nu⟩ ⟨ne⟩ ⟨no⟩ ⟨nya⟩ ⟨nyu⟩ and ⟨nyo⟩.
@kamo7293
@kamo7293 2 жыл бұрын
yeah. it wouldn't be wrong to stick to the letters (senpai) or the pronunciation (sempai) they're both correct.
@swish043
@swish043 2 жыл бұрын
This made me realize that I intuitively managed to pick up on all of these contextual pronunciations without ever being directly taught them. Now if I could just say the same about intonation....
@secondsoulalchemist2685
@secondsoulalchemist2685 2 жыл бұрын
oh my god I asked myself so many times if I was pronouncing 原因 (or 店員 etc) correctly because the ん in the middle sounded so weird, turns out I was doing it wrong ! Thanks for the detailed explanation Dogen, really appreciated
@Wulpul
@Wulpul Жыл бұрын
I noticed I was pronouncing ん wrong at the end of words, like にほん. But the visual representation of tongue position actually helped me find the right way rather quickly. Thank you for the useful info! :D
@marks1628
@marks1628 2 жыл бұрын
I came expecting ん〜 んっ?! and other 感動詞 variants that you typically hear in audiobooks and dramas as your typical comedy routine. Was floored by language terminology that is way out of my knowledge range but it was still very interesting. Thank you!
@thairinkhudr4259
@thairinkhudr4259 2 жыл бұрын
Same! 🤣
@神つべ
@神つべ 2 жыл бұрын
道元先生、本当に凄いわ!マジで天才!英語教えてもらいたいわ!
@かもか-g9y
@かもか-g9y 2 жыл бұрын
20年以上生きてきて初めて7種類もあることを知った…
@mikebmcl
@mikebmcl 2 жыл бұрын
Just as an added bonus, the English word yen for the Japanese currency 円 (えん) /en/ comes from that final bit about how ん is pronounced as a nasalized vowel before vowel sounds. 千円 (せんえん) /sen'en/ "(one) thousand yen" ends up with this nasalized vowel for the ん in 千 (せん) "(one) thousand". If your language doesn't have that sound (or you don't recognize it as a meaningfully distinct sound), your brain will tend to "hear" it as a sound you do know, if there is one that's close enough. A "y" sound in English (called a "glide" or "semivowel" in phonetics) is not a nasal sound but otherwise is pretty close. And since it's pretty close and that nasalized vowel sound doesn't exist in a meaningfully distinct way in English (i.e. it's not part of any minimal pair), we ended up with "yen" (by way of Portuguese from the 1500s which did (and does) have meaningfully distinct nasal vowel sounds). For me, the example that really encapsulated the difference for me was 千年 (せんねん) "/sen'nen/ "(one) thousand years" versus 千円 (せんえん) /sen'en/. They both have 4 morae (syllables) and are identical except for the "n" consonant versus the nasalized vowel sound. In phonetic terms, they are an example of a minimal pair. Listening to those two words in Japanese will probably help you to learn to hear the difference if you're having trouble with it. Anyway, Dogen's Patreon is great. I highly recommend it if you found this video interesting!
@tripple-a6031
@tripple-a6031 2 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand how that can end up adding a y to en. German btw, maybe that's the reason I don't really understand what you're saying.
@MitsukiKazen
@MitsukiKazen 2 жыл бұрын
no? it's because in late middle japanese vowel initial /e o/ were frequently pronounced roughly as [je wo] in the capital (kyōto)'s variety, following an earlier merger of /je e/ /wo o/
@TheBlueGoldenHawk
@TheBlueGoldenHawk 2 жыл бұрын
I thought older Japanese used to have the ye sound but it got dropped over time
@Mercure250
@Mercure250 2 жыл бұрын
​@@tripple-a6031 It's because the "n" from "sen" is basically pronounced like a nasalised [i] or [j] (good thing you're German; those two IPA symbols basically represent the pronunciation of those letters in German), so something like [ĩ] or [j̃] (because that "n" is before a vowel, as explained in the video). Since most speakers of European languages like English don't have those nasal sounds in their phonemic inventory (i.e., they don't recognise it as a meaningful sound), they will tend to hear it as a plain [i] or [j]. While it may explain why someone learning Japanese might hear "yen" even though it's "en", that is however NOT why we say "yen" in English. Mitsuki Kazen pointed out the correct explanation. As pointed out in the original comment, Portuguese does have nasal vowels (and so does French, my native language). So the question is : Why did they not hear that it was a nasal sound, then? Answer : Because they DID hear an actual regular [j] sound, that existed back then. From there, other European languages merely adopted the old Portuguese romanization of the word when Japan started using the yen as their currency during the Meiji era, even though that [j] sound disappeared from the word in Japanese by that point.
@tripple-a6031
@tripple-a6031 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mercure250 Thanks, that was way better explained.
@baronvonbeandip
@baronvonbeandip 2 жыл бұрын
This is great! Thanks Dogen!
@Naegimaggu
@Naegimaggu 2 жыл бұрын
This is pretty interesting. I never realized there were this many pronunciations. The only one I’ve consciously noticed that there’s something off here is the pronunciation of 原因 げんいん. Nice to finally get a deeper understanding of this phenomenon!
@Broniath
@Broniath 2 жыл бұрын
I've had trouble explaining to someone how N is pronounced in japanese. Turns out it's because there's a lot of ways to do so, didn't even realize lmao.
@mikan9597
@mikan9597 2 жыл бұрын
「ん」だけでこんないっぱい発音があったのか
@elizjusteliz6692
@elizjusteliz6692 2 жыл бұрын
This could not be more timely since I was just trying to figure out why I was hearing “kabam” when I was looking at かばん. Needless to say this is going on my frequent rewatch list.
@CarelessMiss
@CarelessMiss 2 жыл бұрын
The ん in かばん is not the M in かんぱい
@elizjusteliz6692
@elizjusteliz6692 2 жыл бұрын
@@CarelessMiss it’s the placement of the ん sound low in the throat that makes it sound like an “m” to my ear. It might just be me or growing up in the Pacific Northwest, but my English “n” sound is very high in the throat, while “m” is low, coincidentally right where ん is when said correctly.
@iyar220
@iyar220 2 жыл бұрын
This helped me learn how to prenounce n and 2 new kanji. Thanks!
@4orinrin
@4orinrin 2 жыл бұрын
im glad my study of linguistics allowed me to know what a velar, alveolar, etc sound is
@alexevans99
@alexevans99 2 жыл бұрын
I knew most of these already, but the voiced prepalatal nasal was one I didn't know about despite already pronouncing it that way. Assimilation is an interesting thing.
@Lyverfive
@Lyverfive 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! You’re right. They are different.
@kana2491
@kana2491 2 жыл бұрын
数日前にたまたま見たまとめサイトで道元さんのチャンネルを知って、速攻チャンネル登録しました。 こんなに面白いのに日本での知名度が低いなんて、なんてもったいない!
@acgm046
@acgm046 2 жыл бұрын
These approximants are almost identical to the ones in my native Spanish 😊
@WillBergson
@WillBergson Жыл бұрын
as a Japanese, I like to pronounce these words myself and confirm what's going on in my mouth. yes, dogen's right.
@ilyaibrahimovic9842
@ilyaibrahimovic9842 2 жыл бұрын
I might have known some of this non-intellectually, but definitely not all of it! This definitely helps! Thank you so much!
@isono-tetsuo
@isono-tetsuo 2 жыл бұрын
他にも、ファフィフフェフォとかは特殊な音だし、ラ行の音も語中の位置によって違う子音。
@imperialmarchinhumanbowels5726
@imperialmarchinhumanbowels5726 2 жыл бұрын
Pronouncing ん before a vowel was always so difficult for me to get right and now I know why. I was trying to make a uvular nasal in that context for whatever reason.
@Couch-Tomato
@Couch-Tomato 2 жыл бұрын
実はこれ、日本人は全然知りません(「ん」の発音は一種類だと思っています)。でもすべて自然と発音できています。不思議。 Actually all Japanese don't know this but are able to pronounce them naturally. That's native power.
@alexevans99
@alexevans99 2 жыл бұрын
Kind of like how English speakers typically aren't really conscious of the many different ways they pronounce the letter "t" or how "s" can be pronounced as either /s/ or /z/ depending on its placement in a word. They just know how to pronounce all that intuitively without thinking about it.
@Couch-Tomato
@Couch-Tomato 2 жыл бұрын
@@alexevans99 Well, native English speakers know the difference between /s/ or /z/, but we Japanese don't know the differences of 7 ん pronunciation nor even the existence.
@ivajovanovic3438
@ivajovanovic3438 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video, I think it's really fun to learn about these small details and why are things the way they are! You're such a good teacher and your knowledge is impressive
@amarug
@amarug 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@lukewood7341
@lukewood7341 2 жыл бұрын
"ん is a vowel" is not something I thought I'd hear today but here we are
@AgentPedestrian
@AgentPedestrian 2 жыл бұрын
sometimes the best joke is just straight up being an American Japanese teacher the pronunciation of "can-jee" in the middle is Great
@cisoid
@cisoid 2 жыл бұрын
Funny as that would’ve been, he definitely said “k and g.”
@AgentPedestrian
@AgentPedestrian 2 жыл бұрын
@@cisoid the G in kanji?
@omachiyogi
@omachiyogi 2 жыл бұрын
@@AgentPedestrian Dogen meant k and g, as in, ka ki ku ke ko and ga gi gu ge go.
@thairinkhudr4259
@thairinkhudr4259 2 жыл бұрын
@@cisoid 🤣
@tonyinhk888
@tonyinhk888 Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for solving this puzzle I have when I start to learn Japanese
@kiechau
@kiechau 2 жыл бұрын
only weirdos must really love japanese to study how to locate your vocal cords, only to say 「ん」... ...It's me, I'm weirdos
@MakotoTheKnight
@MakotoTheKnight 2 жыл бұрын
Hi weirdos, I'm weirdos too!
@eletricsaberman8916
@eletricsaberman8916 2 жыл бұрын
@@MakotoTheKnight john jacob weirdos-heimer smith...
@lastyhopper2792
@lastyhopper2792 Ай бұрын
I swear I'm not a weirdo, I was simply frustrated because I couldn't speak as natural as the teachers. I was able to figure out the difference between 'F' and 'V' in the English language from a KZbin video... Surely, there's a video that explains the ん sound, I thought.
@ぞうさん-u7z
@ぞうさん-u7z 2 жыл бұрын
発音を一切気にしないで生きてきたので、「ん」の発音が7つもあることに驚きました! とても面白かったです
@loogloogloogr
@loogloogloogr 2 жыл бұрын
I dont know if I'll ever understand pitch accent or i I'll ever study it. My focus is on knowing as much words/grammar as possible ピッチアクセントが全然分からないけど多分いつか勉強します。僕にとって言葉や文法は一番大切と思います
@Kreacher3
@Kreacher3 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this was super helpful!
@松本ミツアキ-u7w
@松本ミツアキ-u7w 2 жыл бұрын
意識したことなかったけど確かに喉の形が少しずつ違います
@いこい-w4c
@いこい-w4c 2 жыл бұрын
中国語のテキストでanとang の違いを日本語の 案内 と 案外 で説明してて、んの発音って二種類あったんだ〜って思ってたけど7種類なの!?!?
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video :)
@malokeytheallaround
@malokeytheallaround 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about this. Thanks!
@よいしょ-n3p
@よいしょ-n3p 2 жыл бұрын
ほんとだ…!んの発音の時それぞれ舌の位置が違うの今まで気づかなかった……
@thelastjeding
@thelastjeding 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know it was different!!
@Rolando_Cueva
@Rolando_Cueva 2 жыл бұрын
Just like in English, N can be pronounced in different ways depending on the sounds surrounding it!
@nightmaster5593
@nightmaster5593 2 жыл бұрын
this was interesting!
@rachelcookie321
@rachelcookie321 2 жыл бұрын
when the ん is at the end of a word it kinda sounds like ‘ng’. I never noticed that before!
@jamesestrella5911
@jamesestrella5911 2 жыл бұрын
It’s non-committal half-assed version, much like the Japanese “f” sound.
@Argumentable
@Argumentable 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate these types of videos, like to learn about speaking Japanese even if it's only a little bit at a time
@BanditKing094
@BanditKing094 2 жыл бұрын
I just noticed in the title card you had 撥音 instead of 発音. I’ve never seen that first kanji before so I looked it up in a dictionary. 発音 : pronunciation 撥音 : the sound of the kana “n” nice.
@blatantmonkey6723
@blatantmonkey6723 2 жыл бұрын
Huh. I don't think I ever realised I pronounce ん in so many different ways. I guess it was just something I sort of picked up when imitating what I heard.
@thatsnotgabi
@thatsnotgabi Жыл бұрын
i never expected my portuguese to help as much as it has with learning japanese
@-Raylight
@-Raylight 2 жыл бұрын
There are really ways to pronounce *"N"* in Japanese. I always thought they're the same N Ok I'm waiting for the punchline xD
@FDE-fw1hd
@FDE-fw1hd 2 жыл бұрын
What
@omachiyogi
@omachiyogi 2 жыл бұрын
Now pronounce んんん. We're still in November.
@ココ-c1p
@ココ-c1p 2 жыл бұрын
なるほど分からない。 使い分けしてるつもりもないし、唇を閉じるか閉じないかを言葉の流れで使いやすい方を自然に選択してるぐらいの気持ちだった。 知らないうちにこれらを使い分けてるのかもしれないけど……でも難しく考えなくてもいいと思う。発音??が違うからって言葉が通じなくなることは全く無いので…。
@もちの花
@もちの花 2 жыл бұрын
it's hilarious how such a short video is so useful
@FaithOriginalisme
@FaithOriginalisme 2 жыл бұрын
I love it cuz I could pay attention and feel that I was already doing that with the sounds.. thanks!
@elarrioguajardo208
@elarrioguajardo208 2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@stefanhansen5882
@stefanhansen5882 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating. Where do you get your information from? Can you recommend a book with all this info? Thanks.
@Ghostbeyond619
@Ghostbeyond619 2 жыл бұрын
I need to watch this again because I wasn't listening the first time since I was waiting for the punchline
@Desi_d7j
@Desi_d7j 3 ай бұрын
携我さらにパワーアップすることができた!!!
@zamooti4505
@zamooti4505 11 ай бұрын
Everyone talking about the 「ん」in 原因 or in 店員, but the one I struggle with the most is the one right before any "r" sound. 便利、反乱、森林、etc. are all impossible for me to recreate the sound. I either get stuck on the "n" for far too long or don't say it at all. I can't make it flow.
@kazuhiko7025
@kazuhiko7025 2 жыл бұрын
yo!we aint say げんいん we say げいいん🤣🤣👍👍
@Shache
@Shache 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter which way you pronounce it because Japanese people can't tell the difference anyway. Only in "Kanpai" do you close your mouth to pronounce it because the next letter is a "p" sound, but I couldn't tell the difference in the others. The position of the tongue is definitely different, though.
@zahraa4149
@zahraa4149 2 жыл бұрын
It's definitely different when it's followed by a vowel though. You can't tell me you hear that one the same as the others
@iamthinking2252_
@iamthinking2252_ 2 жыл бұрын
The least bit helps explain what goes on with 全員, ありがとうございました
@donmaizer9306
@donmaizer9306 2 жыл бұрын
The last one is actually crazy I never heard the ん before, now I slightly hear it but that amazes me
@eletricsaberman8916
@eletricsaberman8916 2 жыл бұрын
a whole dogen video without a 日本語上手 joke? just learning? something's gone wrong...
@DrBreyn
@DrBreyn 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, so polite!
@美術館-q6w
@美術館-q6w 2 жыл бұрын
乾杯の「ん」が他と違うのは何となくわかったけど他は無理だ……全部「ん」に聞こえる
@katawaya8101
@katawaya8101 2 жыл бұрын
at 0:20 i thought that he was pronouncing "kanji" like that💀
@yumemitai612
@yumemitai612 2 жыл бұрын
I realized the kanji for はつおん on the thumbnail was different than how I normally see it (発音), and it turns out that 撥音(はつおん) means specifically the pronunciation of ん
@yowo6105
@yowo6105 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a linguistics student and i live for this kind of content. I'd love to specialize in japanese linguistics but my university doesn't offer it :} so I'll make do with this for now and do a master's in Japan later
@plester2468
@plester2468 2 жыл бұрын
That げんいん one is pretty hard to spell, i couldn't spell it properly until now, thanks dogen!
@Ryan-hp6xs
@Ryan-hp6xs 2 жыл бұрын
Dogen, amazing video. Sorry to say but there’s a typo in the beginning: “a sort explanation” Hope you don’t care about this😅
@MyLittleMagneton
@MyLittleMagneton 2 жыл бұрын
Beat me to it :p
@TheMornox
@TheMornox 2 жыл бұрын
this video felt very.. efficient!
@yorgunsamuray
@yorgunsamuray 2 жыл бұрын
That's the secret behind the word 新聞 mostly written as "shimbun" on the Romaji versions of newspaper names.
@RitosM
@RitosM 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is something i've been wondering about for a long time. I can only tell the difference between n, m and the i ones.
@bluemoyuuki
@bluemoyuuki 2 жыл бұрын
7つもありますか! 私は中国語や韓国語の勉強をして、初めて日本語の「ん」が数種類あると知りましたが、3種類くらいと思っていました。自分では意識していませんし、ましてや学校で習うこともなく、7種類とはびっくりです。
@HolligaMan
@HolligaMan 2 жыл бұрын
I like your funny words magic man.
@repHAWAIIxJPN
@repHAWAIIxJPN 2 жыл бұрын
I've never consciously noticed the last style . After the explanation and hearing the example it blew my head with the realization that I don't move my tongue 😳
@thetuner3333
@thetuner3333 2 жыл бұрын
My God, always loved your comedy but I also wanted some kind of serious lessons, awesome to see this
@maymeg6777
@maymeg6777 Жыл бұрын
I am native Japanese. The nasal vowel is only the tricky one for learners. It’s a vowel like aound. 原因、緩和、今夜、etc.
@user-xy7le4nb1p
@user-xy7le4nb1p 2 жыл бұрын
It's basically saying "n" but instead of finishing with a wide mouth, you'd make the shape of ur mouth as if saying "m"
@Medijoker
@Medijoker 2 жыл бұрын
Just got back to this channel after a long break. Was waiting for a joke xD But it was very useful, thanks :)
@blobloblog
@blobloblog 2 жыл бұрын
日本人はその違いを聞き分けできないから別の「ん」を使っても気づかないし、発音も間違いにはならないですね。 全部違う音に聞き取れちゃう言語圏の人にとっては大変かもしれない。
@maymeg6777
@maymeg6777 Ай бұрын
いちお、外人訛りだなって気づくと思うよ 「こんばんは」を「コヌバヌワ」って発音されたら気づくやろ
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