The 7800x3D or the Intel Core Ultra 7 265K? Which do you choose with 10 Games Tested!

[@Ralipsi]

The 7800X3D still is the best so far.

[@robeytech]

From a gaming standpoint, yep.

[@ManCaveMike2099]

@@robeytech My wallet is like the u7 65k Better price and if you are gaming above 1080p, you are more gpu bound anyway

[@portman8909]

@@ManCaveMike2099 7800x3D used to be much cheaper.

[@chiyolate]

Not for any other than gaming, even vs 13700K. My 13700K can easily finish all tasks faster than 7800X3D which for me is more important than having 10-20 fps higher when playing game, like I can notice the difference anyway.

[@portman8909]

@@chiyolate Because you don't play CPU bound titles. But fair enough you want productivity not a strategy gaming based CPU which btw the x3D chip will achieve a lot more than 10-20 fps extra in. But it's ok you're an FPS casual that doesn't know how these things works, only use your GPU.

[@thomasenright5282]

7th November this year the new Ryzen 9 9800X3D is supposed to be released. Have to wait and see what price is, also how much better it is to the 7800X3D

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Great video. I'm waiting to see how all of the new hardware performs after everything has been released.

[@robeytech]

Yep, that’s our recommendation

[@thetheoryguy5544]

Thank you for being one of the few reviewers with a none biased and positive outlook on these CPU's. I think some of the results I have been seeing from many channels are very odd considering this and the 285k have some of the highest single and multi core scores in the game right now according to cinebench. It just does not make sense the gaming is not great, so games really prioritize cache that much over raw multicore? It makes me truly believe there is some driver/optimization wonkiness' going on. AMD chips being made for console makes me think certain games just prioritize AMD cpu's to run best on like Fortnite and Forza 5 those are very AMD biased. I hope we get an Intel bios update that improves performance like AMD did with Ryzen 9.

[@robeytech]

We aren’t trying to get clicks or hype, just trying to help folks make an informed decision.

[@jayvee8502]

Wouldn't that be R9 7950X3D. "Jack of all trades, master of none"

[@robeytech]

Price wise this is where most folks are looking.

[@Foxxie55]

Benjamin Franklin is often credited with saying, "A jack of all trades, and a master of one" They think that he took it from Shakespeare with the "none"..

[@araschazarabadihagh420]

Thanks for the video, there is a point that almost no one is discussing about it, what about engineering software and calculations like finite element, which one do you suggest? Well i have always used Intel CPUs but now with the issues not so smart to go there. Would appreciate your answer man.

[@robeytech]

Right now, hard to say. In that it is comparable to the 14900k, and I don't have data on its math benchmarks, the answer may be to hold out for some performance data from Auto desk. Additionally, is Auto desk going to look at Ai to bolster Finite Element. If yes, then CU9 would be a better choice.

[@araschazarabadihagh420]

@@robeytech I see. And it’s not only Auto Desk, there are CSI software also which they say have better performance on AMD. and so many other software like CAD CAM and so on. Thank you for the reply.

[@Ejp23_]

Im trying to get into pc… Which one is better for the electric bill?

[@JayDaDon_7]

7800x3d way better in that regard lol

[@zakazanyphoenix3573]

7500f rtx 4060 combo buy good b650 to undervolt the cpu then with both you would consume around 30-40 watt for cpu and with an undervolt on gpu 50-75 depending on workload on the gpu

[@Moonlight-zp5rj]

My Mobo is flashing red light for CPU & DRAM. Don’t know what to do.

[@portman8909]

Update bios

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

Gimping the major platform feature of being able to handle MUCH faster RAM speeds with tight timings is a weird choice. Why not run Arrow Lake with a ~9.5ns 7200MT or so kit?

[@robeytech]

Because most will buy 6400mhz. Not saying you aren’t wrong but this is a starting point.

[@Hyperion1722]

Why not compare it with 285 instead? Better yet, have you compared 14700K with 265 on productivity/gaming?

[@robeytech]

The price difference. These are the two most purchased CPUs from each company. The 285k is almost $150 more.

[@simptrix007]

@@robeytech Well in my country 285k is still not in stock yet all major retailers rised its preorder price to almost twice the 265k...

[@AQAVAR]

Decided to buy a new hardware: Core ULTRA z890 motherboard+CPU and use my existing, still very strong going PSU Corsair HX750i. Wattage is good enough but i'm worry if new hardware requires new generation PSU too (gen 3 vs gen 4)

[@samchaleau]

Just out of curiosity, why do you not run comparison bench-marking on the most graphically intensive system out there right now? Star Citizen? It'd be a good test case for future-proofing IMO.

[@Sylar0n]

As a Star Citizen player myself, id say its a terrible idea to use SC as benchmark. Performance changes from patch to patch drastically. Id love to see if Arrow Lake is competitive in SC because im sitting on a 9900k currently so it is high time to upgrade.

[@robeytech]

What he said is absolutely true, the game changes to much to be consistent from test to test.

[@unreconstructed9172]

The AMD! Why is this even a question? Intel is obviously struggling at this point, which has been rare and this new CPU appears to be bulldozer fail quality. Now that's rare! So glad I went 7900x. Looks like I'll be ok for a couple years now.

[@Majeskty]

Very Nice review for the Intel Ultra Core 15th generation! Looking to replace my very old (but still functional) Intel i7 2600k and been waiting for the 15th generation CPU since the issues with the last couple versions have arose, not sure if problems have been solved with the microcode updates. However, thanks for the information and keep them coming!

[@raminpro9765]

do you know all intel after gen 10 very very hot ? give blue screen in games after 3-4 month ? dont risk buy ryzen 7600 or 7800x3D. or if you need render manster buy 9950x (can work you 15 year)

[@robeytech]

The architecture is quite different so odds are good that what Intel is saying is true. BUT time will tell.

[@peped99]

Thank you robey

[@robeytech]

You are welcome!

[@GregM]

When one is in Canada you have to add 30% to US prices plus 12% sales tax. The dollar is king especially when building a non-gaming system for someone who has an ancient system where anything would be an improvement. Longevity of the 1851 socket is up in the air if you are one that upgrades CPUs.

[@robeytech]

Sorry, I know there is a good point here honestly. Just trying to understand what you are saying!

[@Sylar0n]

Oh wow, a reviewer that did not jump on the hate train. Good review, quite clear that the initial review will need follow-ups as Intel works out the issues. A bit strange because Intel is known for solid releases, this one looks just as bad as AMDs 9000 series release a couple months ago. I am in dire need of upgrading and am looking at all options, i want gaming while video making and editing, so a purely gaming CPU like the 7800x3D may not be the best choice, but at the same time we already know that AMD is playing Intel and will release the 9800x3D for 500-550 dollars. At that price point the 265k is a nobrainer, even if 10% behind in 4k gaming FPS.

[@nephilimslayer]

98003d will beat all intel cpus in games, if u wanna video edit then 9900x3d will be more than enough for you, no reason to go intel when intel sucks right now

[@robeytech]

Look, we want to just help folks decide on what is best for them. I would definitely wait for a month or so to see how it all shakes out.

[@bodasactra]

But what to do if your new Intel CPU is found to have fatal flaws and Intel refuses the RMA? You know, like what is going on right now?

[@1872959]

Should have included Dragon's Dogma 2 fps from both

[@Kazzman90]

So whats the warranty support for this gen of intel chips? Will never buy another intel chip after their piss poor response to the 13/14 gen issue. It should not have been that hard to get my product RMA'd. If i need to do more than game I'll just buy a non x3d AMD CPU.

[@robeytech]

It’s standard not extended like 13th and 14th Gen. I can understand your hesitation given your experience and there is nothing wrong with a non-x3D AMD chip

[@atif32111]

Considering everything. Intel did manage to feed 200 freaking watts and squeeze out more than twice multi core performance than the 7800x3d even cooler than the 7800x3d. Everything will be different after the BIOS, Windows and software updates

[@RobBCactive]

Being generous that'll be around 5%. Using about double the Watts for a bit over double performance on 3nm vs older 5nm isn't great. The 7800x3D was going around $330 this summer, the price shot up due to gamer demand and the 13/14th gen failures. CPU temperatures aren't comparable between designs as it depends on where the sensors are placed and how the values are reported. In the past BIOS even added degrees to spin up fans to improve performance. The fact is the 9800x3D is a significantly better all round chip than the 7800x3D. It's a bizarre comparison as for most >8c/16t has been pointless while those professionals doing a lot of productivity workloads on CPU generally make money so the instability reported on an immature platform makes ARL a hard pass for now.

[@atif32111]

@@RobBCactive Currently using 13700K. No heating or instability issues what so ever. even with 100$ Cheap 360mm cooler does very good job cooling 13700K. Temps are under 70c with little under volting cz mb manufactures feeding lots of unnecessary voltage to CPU than it needs TDP stays under 190w. R23 gives 30K Flat Scores. No Complains so far. ❤❤

[@RobBCactive]

@@atif32111 That is only because you haven't run the kind of software which the chip failed quickly with a 100% failure rate. The RMAs were not handled well and Intel kept everyone in the dark and you've had the issue that they hadn't test properly the power conrigurations by vendors. The whole things was a QA disaster, they rushed RPL to market after ADL, due to delays on the planned chips.

[@robertstevens1554]

For gaming yes the AMD for content creation the intel blows it away.

[@napoficial7123]

With AMD you know it will work for years, witn Intel it may rain bugs or also get oxidation too. So, AMD.

[@robeytech]

To be clear AMD had issues too. No one is perfect in that regard. We want you to choose what’s best for your workload, given neither of them is perfect in terms of either burning through your Socket (AMD) or Instability (Intel)

[@derbigpr500]

Funny, you must be too young to realize how ironic that statement is. Intel is the one known for being perfectly reliable and durable and dependable, and AMD (and ATI previously) known for being buggy, laggy, unreliable, etc. Never had a AMD or ATI build in my life that I didn't end up selling long before due time because of issues. The issues Intel has now, AMD has always had. It's just a BIG DEAL that Intel has those issues because they never had them before. It's like a straight A student who starts getting C's all of a sudden, it's a red alert, but a student that's always got D's and some C's on rare occasion, suddenly starts getting B's, that's a big improvement. You get my point? Intel is still infinitely more dependable as a brand compared to AMD, despite what gamers think.

[@napoficial7123]

@@robeytech Also Jesús has problems. I can tell. Also I'm the one that "Tel++" with God, unless there are more people in the Room like me. I guess not. So... I'm the way. El amigo or el camino. It's the same. Love your tech channel.

[@Betelgeusephotography]

Just today online I found a 265k for 385$

[@leojack2614]

05:39 73 > 77 degrees, good math... what a channel.. -.-

[@robeytech]

Did you read the disclaimer below the chart? We literally stated it was a graphics error

[@Respect_V187]

me who just bought ryzen 9 9900x to do everything (Gaming, browsing, coding, etc...)😬😬

[@gerrymangione]

If you need multicore performance go with the Ryzen 7950X or 9950X!!!

[@robeytech]

Totally different price range.

[@simptrix007]

@@robeytech Thats wrong 7950X cost 30 Eur more than 7800x3D and like 50E less than 9800x3D. Its valid choice.

[@845madhatterni]

7800x3d for the win still

[@robeytech]

Totally good!

[@atif32111]

This isn't even the question. Intel gives more than twice the Score than 7800x gives and even more expensive than 265K. If you want gaming just go with the Amd simple end of the story. Intel isn't competing with the x3d nor ever will

[@tendosingh5682]

But the 7800x3d costs a lot more than the 265k.

[@robeytech]

Yep. Up to you to determine if the price is worth it in the end for you.

[@Boss-zo4lw]

I just got one in Uk for 380, thats cheaper than the 265k and alot better.

[@GiridharanG]

​@@Boss-zo4lw India I can get a 13900k for lesser price than 7800x3d from Amazon or other trustable sources which delivers the package in one piece,moreover the 7800x3d sells at higher prices in local dealers than a 14700k or even 7950x3d🌚

[@derbigpr500]

@@Boss-zo4lw "alot better" - It's 10-20% faster in SOME games and it's 100% slower in productivity. SO how exactly is it "alot better", if on balance, the 265k is objectively a far more powerful and capable CPU?

[@oysterhead5150]

Its to bad really, I was really hoping that Arrow Lake would be vey competitive, Zen 5 launch doesn't seem to bad now, lol!

[@travishurst3919]

265k looks like it would be solid for both development work and gaming. Works for me.

[@thetheoryguy5544]

Agree looks like a good all arounder sweet spot cpu for its price. I would not get the Core 285k because not much gain but price is too high.

[@robeytech]

Yep, and if you are happy that’s all that matters.

[@avgjoesgamin9935]

This is how you tell KZbinrs are not capable of giving advice. The 7800x3d SUCKS as far as content creation. You’re comparing 2 completely opposite chips.

[@robeytech]

No I am comparing the two most purchased chips and the top question asked on which should I get. You just assume people know this, they don’t.

[@jaydx314]

Yup ​@@robeytech, i really needed that. Everyone reviewed and comments were based on gaming. World is beyond gaming.

[@bradleypetersen241]

Intel works best if you play simu flight X in 4K ultra

[@deadlox.d]

looks like intel is good choice too but i personally love ryzen

[@robeytech]

And that’s totally okay!

[@catninjawang794]

Buy what makes you happy, just that simple.

[@thetheoryguy5544]

I agree, good comment.

[@robeytech]

Yep!

[@eg9574]

Wait what? 7800x3d the fastest gaming chip on the planet vs the 265k? Which should you buy? Lol well if you don’t know you probably shouldn’t be playing with anything that has electricity running through it.

[@robeytech]

People ask the question and it isn’t always just about gaming. So we help them decide. The i7, u7 and Ryzen 7800x3D are the choices for most of them, so it’s worth breaking down!

[@eg9574]

@@robeytech Not wanting to be rude but probably shouldn’t have lead with “7800x3d vs 265k with 10 games tested” if your focusing on all round use case. Then again if this is not a gaming focused video why include the 7800x3d? Why not just the 9000x variant… don’t think you pull out the x3d then say video is not just about games….

[@MouseHunteR77n]

Ant always about gaming what about application software other daily tasks today and tomorrow 😀 and year's to come

[@bigrc73]

The RYZen 7

[@Reodhadh]

tl;dw, neither; get a 9800x3d on the 7th.

[@Boss-zo4lw]

Or grab a 7800x3d and you know your getting a great cpu and maybe get a newer one down the line.

[@robeytech]

Yep; hence our point at the end!

[@madsuperhero1]

👍

[@robeytech]

Thank you!

[@profounddamas]

Neither!

[@fightingmink]

Get the Ultra 7 265K. At current prices, you’ll save $150-200. Or wait for 9800X3D.

[@dylf14]

AMD doesn't raise the price, the store do based on supply and demand. The official MSRP is unchanged.

[@robeytech]

Yes it did, sorry watch videos on this. AMD sets the range in price that retailers can sell at. If I were to guess it’s to help with adoption of the next x3D chip.

[@dylf14]

​@@robeytech Is there an actual source to the claim that the official MSRP has gone up? Or are you media guys just quoting each other in circles or is it some rumor mill?

[@robinrufino8244]

flop

[@robeytech]

We will see, from a gaming stand point, right now. There isn’t much for folks who are anything current at all. But it’s much easier to cool, so there is something.

[@robinrufino8244]

@@robeytech the same as zen 5?? We cannot see good and bad the same thing....

[@raminpro9765]

intel lie again ,new cpu not TSMC = same 13-14 gen hot shit (with fake cores and super overclock to 1.50 volt) = blue screen in games after 3-4 month

[@thetheoryguy5544]

Wtf did I just read?

[@robeytech]

Yeah, not really sure what you are meaning to say.

[@yildirim771]

7800x3d is a no brainer for now

[@matthewparker7180]

Intel please pick it up. If there is no upgrades to move to in the future with lga 1851, I will happily be switching to amd after my entire life. Please pick this despicable shit up. I am now stuck with a shitshow for a cpu😂