The Absurd Scaling of : Dragon Ball Z (Part 3)

[@luigi77714]

To be fair, the whole discussion about the dimensional scream not being canon should also be used for Vegeta destroying a planet back in the saiyan saga, since that's also anime only, and you basically used that feat as a base for everything else. Aside from that, great video and great series, I'm enjoying this a lot! (Please do GT as well, I find its powerscaling hilarious) Also edit since I just got to that part: while I understand the scaling of the Spirit Bomb, I also really don't think that there is any logical reason for Kid Buu to be stronger than Buuhan. He might be a little amped by just fighting on instinct, but how can he become physically stronger after subtracting power

[@driveghost1996]

@@luigi77714 I took the Vegeta blowing up a Planet feat because he was already known to be Planetary, whereas the Dimensional Scream feat has no other basis within the Manga And I also don't think Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan, just that the scaling is all over the place lol

[@luigi77714]

@@driveghost1996 I do agree that Vegeta is planetary, but the anime scene makes it look a lot easier than it is, in reality Vegeta needs to charge a pretty powerful Galick Gun to blow up a planet, and techniques are a way to amp power level, so that would place the minimum required level to destroy a planet from 18k to whatever the correct multiplier of the Galick Gun is, I think. Also fair point, it is very over the place lol

[@talcumx2124]

Here's a DBZ math problem! Roshi can blow up the moon. The Earth is basically 50 moons.What power level do you have to be to blow up the earth? Would anyone like to answer!

[@Jim-pq9pm]

@@talcumx2124 The Earth is actually about 80 moons. Here's the answer, if Roshi had a power level of 300 at full power when he blew up the moon, then if we multiply 300 by 80, we get 24 000, and Vegeta was about 30 000 when he used the galick gun at full power, so yes Vegeta can blow up the Earth, but it takes quite a bit of effort.

[@talcumx2124]

@Jim-pq9pm Sure, but I don't know where you get the 80 from because when I google did it, it said 50 but idk. Maybe we can equate it to vegeta's one rep Max. But I mean He still had plenty of energy to fight.

[@talcumx2124]

Kid Buu didn't copy instant transmission. he copied the god version kaikai. It's much better! Also, kid buu got himself killed because he never took the fight seriously. Goku even says in the manga

[@OyinkansolaAgboola]

He was blowing up planets while he was still in it and was regenerating, the spirit bomb killed him

[@MegaMachiOnline]

One thing I notice talk about is how Super Buu's ki was rising before he became Kid Buu, but people regularly ignore that Buff Buu was an absorption, and that we see Kid Buu spit out Fat Buu upon recognizing he was being hindered. And having his default state basically be a roided out SS Trunks seems like it would be one hell of a nerf before they even talk about how he shrunk. Too bad Goku was trying to hard to look cool against Kid Buu, lol But considering the Buu Era of the anime (Apparently reviving can make you stronger), manga (Vegeta & the Old Kai start weirdly glazing Kid Buu and Goku for the final fight, but both Gohan & Goku had their energy sensed across the universe) and movies (Dragon Fist puts Goku in a tier the boys cannot reach implying his techniques lets him close the gap/surpass them), Gotenks Gohan & Goku....without leaning too hard on numerical values but statements should be in the same ballpark strangely enough

[@MegaMachiOnline]

to put this in perspective: SS3 Goku thinks Fat Buu is easy and by proxy Evil & Good Buu upon splitting, but lied about his ability to beat Fat Buu and by proxy how SS Gotenks compares to him SS3 Goku doesn't want to fight Super Buu but that's explicitly inside Super Buu's body and being tiny, but does think Buuicolo is nothing to Ultimate Gohan and suggests the Dance SS3 Goku thinks he can take on Kid Buu but learns how extraordinary Kid Buu's regen is to the point he isn't losing energy compared to himself and curses himself and his body. Granted Buff Buu gave him a big scare prior to shrinking down SS3 Goku knows that he must fuse against Buutenks & Buuhan and doesn't even bother entertaining the thought of a 1v1, despite the fact Saiyans get stronger as they fight -- aka Goku considers fusion for 3 out of 4 of the main forms he met, and was far slower to considering it against Kid Buu whereas the context against regular Super Buu may make it weird, if Kid Buu is stronger than regular Super Buu there wouldn't be any "real issue" other than how Ultimate Gohan (conceptually) should compare to SS3 Goku, as Goku still failed to beat a Buu genuinely within the SS3 ballpark on his own... if its any other form of Super Buu it starts to get real contentious.

[@MegaMachiOnline]

last comment here, but if we go with the ideal that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, then Super Buu's declaration of becoming the strongest majin AFTER absorbing Gotenks and Gohan respectively is the BIGGEST self report in Dragon Ball History lmao

[@MegaMachiOnline]

It's still funny to think how Base RoF Gohan, who should be weaker than Base Z Sword/Goku Gi Gohan (aka no Ultimate Form; but could questionably beat Fat Buu in SS2 according to Goku) due to a lack of training is stronger than Piccolo. The same Piccolo that had 11 to 12 years since Cell, after seemingly spooking Trunks with how strong he became despite having superiority over Semi-Perfect Cell and saw a glimpse of Perfect Cell's power needs to be saved by the rusty Gohan that can't even go SS2. Only...for Piccolo to from hardly scaling to Frost in any capacity (if he was fresh) to doing team combos with Ultimate Gohan in the Anime's Tournament of Power & Manga's Moro Arc. It really makes me wonder what Piccolo was doing for those hundreds of years in DBO to still not comfortably scale over Buu and strictly get beat by some guy stronger than a guy that was stronger than Freeza XD

[@he_who_has_no_name]

7:19 it wasn't named until a game, I believe. And it's effectiveness is directly tied to strength. 8:57 Genki is health energy. Gohan was not in too good a state when he lended.

[@driveghost1996]

@@he_who_has_no_name Gohan was just revived when he lended energy. In terms of his health and energy levels he was in tip top shape.

[@elighbudziszewski1270]

Vegito was never trying against buuhan and could've probably gone ssj3 if he wanted so i don't think it is a stretch to assume that Vegito is probably universal

[@driveghost1996]

Considering the first villain that we get who even claims to have the power to destroy the universe is OMEGA SHENRON Yes I do think it's a stretch that SSJ3 Vegito could. The DBZ Universe is leagues bigger than a Galaxy, which is the biggest canon feat for a Z Character

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

@@driveghost1996 i agree theres no way z vegito is universal