The Absurd Scaling of : Dragon Ball Z (Extras 1)

[@shoolcreates1999]

The wild thing about king cold is that we don't even know what form he's in lmao. That could just be his first form and he's that massive 😂😂😂

[@johangodojolo8652]

Would make no sense because he didnt even try to power up against Trunks. Frieza said he invented his transformations to contain his own power so its unlikely King Cold would have any at all

[@driveghost1996]

As I say, he can't transform lol The only evidence for it is one statement from a French Guidebook and a brief implication in the Dragon Box Set that he "seems like the type to transform"

[@michaelbraxton137]

Great video

[@ChaosGodEnerjak]

I think Kid Buu did copy IT and Kai Kai was something the characters got wrong. Buu only really learns Goku’s attacks and he likely wouldn’t have gotten the ability to instantly where Goku and the others were if not for having the same technique Goku had repeatedly used in front of Buu rather than the Kai Kai which I’m not even sure he saw, unlike the Kamehameha.

[@rriverderch7035]

Innocent Buu was born much faster than instant teleporting. Yes, he copied the Kai-Kai (from absorbing the Kais) which allows one to teleport anywhere in the macrocosm.

[@ChaosGodEnerjak]

@@rriverderch7035 I don’t know what your first sentence means so you have to rephrase that. And I know how both of them work. Buu doesn’t copy anyone’s attacks naturally aside from Goku due to how he’s related to him as antagonist. Not to mention the Evil Buu doesn’t ever see the Kai Kai. Only Instant Transmission. Even when he was a single entity as Innocent Buu. And again. Kid Buu is a pure Buu. He doesn’t have any additional abilities that aren’t a part of him. He also looks off and teleports to the realm of the Kais, a place he wouldn’t really know to go to. In the anime he goes to places with power/lots of ki like Otherworld first. It’s Instant Transmission. Goku hits and the others get it wrong and don’t realize because part of the story is that why the Buu situation gets as bad as it does is because of Goku and him unknowingly negatively (for the protagonists) influencing Buu while knowingly not choosing to influence the protagonists (or “next generation”) for the better, even though that line of thinking is wrong. The games got it right because Kid Buu is thematically an “evil Goku” so yeah, it’s Instant Transmission.

[@driveghost1996]

Either way, it amounts to the same Just that they specifically say he copied Kai Kai

[@rriverderch7035]

@@ChaosGodEnerjak My first sentence rephrased: It literally makes no sense for Buu to copy a technique he's perfected/faster than. Buu came out the gate faster than people, who are faster than instant transmission (cell, meta cooler, Goku, vegeta) Secondly, "Buu doesn't copy attacks naturally" is plain wrong. When he fights Supreme Kai, we see a moment where Buu performs the exact same magical eye beam Shin does JUST AFTER being hit with it. Never was he only copying Goku's moves (which aren't even his) as he absorbed the Supreme Kais and Dai Kaioshin. Moreover "Kid Buu is pure Buu" That's objectively false. Kid Buu and Innocent Buu are narratively seperate. The scariest Buu from Shin's past DOES NOT EQUAL Buu after all of his experience with the Z Fighters and absorptions. Furthermore, he still has all the power, Ki control, magic abilities, techniques, martial arts and knowledge that he stole from everyone he's ever absorbed, while Innocent Buu does not! He went to otherworld because the fighters there were stronger, not closer for Instant Transmission (a skill he had a long time ago used for fights and energy/position tracking) but for the Kai-Kai. (meant for travelling anywhere in Universe 7) Goku did knowingly made Buu too strong, but it was a win win. That pushed Gohan, Goten and Trunks to become far stronger than Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo and 18, but the plot kicks in and they get absorbed.

[@rriverderch7035]

@@driveghost1996 he already had it and Shin simply forgets for dramatic effect

[@leightonrud66]

Dragonballs always had abysmal power scaling because toriyama wasn't too great at writing for it to make sense. It's a mess. Super Saiyan was this unique crazy multiplicative boost but a new villain comes along every time and it's meaningless. Like we literally have #17 on par with super Saiyan blue, basically god energy. When he was weaker than base cell.....And then other randoms in their normal state like hit, jiren etc being op without transforming. You shouldn't be that powerful compared to them. Goku and vegeta have been fighting for years and their transformations should put them leagues above anyone. The jump from SS1 to 2 was immense. At 1 they couldn't do anything to cell, but at 2 he was dog walked. Super Saiyan 3 should be sooo much stronger than 2 and super Saiyan god is vastly stronger than 3 and blue is to god (red) and UI made blue worthless since that did nothing to jiren but UI did? Majin buu was a terror of the universe and super Saiyan 3 Goku could defeat him, even more so now in SS3. Now, SSB should be no challenge, he should evaporate him with a single Kamehameha. Its leagues above 3 by 2 forms but i bet you buu would hold his own somehow. Its so stupid. Remember frieza on namek who is weaker than a super Saiyan 1? but back before that, think on how drastic his power ups were each form. Piccolo after fusing walked all over his 2nd form, but was smoked by his xenomorph ahh 3rd form. And its not that much in terms of power now. And then he goes to his final form, his true self and its hopeless for everyone. Nkw super Saiyan is a MUCH bigger leap in power with each stage. Once again, means nothing clearly. Hopefully some writing changes now and we get better scaling. I highly doubt it though...

[@driveghost1996]

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[@leightonrud66]

@@driveghost1996 I'm all about it 👍

[@rriverderch7035]

First extra, King Cold. Excluding Cooler is false, Cooler is canon to the anime. He appears in GT, and as confirmed by Toriyama and several guidebooks, the manga and anime have converged at several points (Dai Kaio, Gregory, Otherworld, Pikkon, Icarus and many more) 2. Cold didn't transform because of one thing that no character in fiction can escape: the plot. There was no narrative or logical reason for Cold to transform and have an actual fight with Trunks, because the focus of the arc is Trunks and the androids, the promotional art features Trunks and the Super Saiyan legend, the toys feature Trunks and on and on. Furthermore, Cold wouldn't have done anything against Trunks, so wasting pencil lead to animate and design a whole entire form for no reason makes WHAT type of sense to you? Just because he didn't evidently doesn't mean he can't, it just doesn't matter. Second extra, and missed info, Fusion. 1. Vegito doesn't "easily low diff Buuhan. It's evident that he actually needed to go SSJ to stop Buu's rage boost from destroying U7. Vegito's full power Super Saiyan and Buuhan's rage kiai are closer than you think. 2. KIng Piccolo could most def wipe out a planet. He's not going to do so as easily as King Vegeta, but charging a planetary ki wave (while he's already above moon level characters) takes no more than a minute. Just because the book doesn't hold your hand through the scaling, (i.e showing you that Piccolo can destroy a planet) doesn't mean that there aren't things such as potential. 3. Cell being "satellite galaxy." Just no. The citizens of Namek state that Cell would destroy the universe (infinite in size) and Android 16 calculated the same thing. Cell saying "solar system" simply means the macrocosm, 3 infinitely sized universes, galaxies and the planets the Kai's live on as a "solar system." Evidently, galactic feats were last exersiced by base Broly, who wasn't even fighting anyone and initially scales far below Perfect Cell. Perfect Cell is already 3 things, faster than instant transmission, infinite speed and ki, and thirdly universal. He can't have early Android saga power levels. Misinfo 2. Goku adding Life Ki to the Kamehameha. Sure he did, it was just too insignificant to matter. Vegeta allowed an opening for Gohan to try his hardest, and Goku found the opening. Not so much as using his own power (the boost from dying still wouldn't have gotten him stronger than Trunks, let alone Cell at the moment) but giving it to Gohan. Misinfo 3. Kid Buu already had the Kai-Kai, and Buu fresh out of his seal was much faster than the characters who were already faster than instant teleportation (meta cooler, android saga goku, super android 13, cell, and so much more.) Once again, movies and GT are canon, and I'm glad to help you further understand the scaling since you're still exploring those.

[@driveghost1996]

First of all, WALL OF TEXT Second, GT itself isn't canon. Confirmed by Super's entire Existence. It appearing in Dragon Ball Heroes doesn't count, because both its Anime and Games aren't canon either. Cooler has never appeared in the CANON Anime or Manga, and at this point if he hasn't appeared he isn't going to.

[@9xFalse]

are you ai bro?

[@driveghost1996]

Nope, my intelligence is genuine No matter how limited it is lmao

[@9xFalse]

@@driveghost1996 nah i was tripping on your voice in the beginning