The Acolyte Gets Lightsabers Completely Wrong...

[@MrHam9513]

Lightsabers according to George Lucas: an elegant weapon for a more civilized age. Lightsabers according to Disney: laser death swords.

[@Zinovad]

*Laser death swords... which still inexplicably don't deal death.

[@Ravenfanatic5]

"What is it?" "Your father's lightsaber. This is a weapon of the Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age. For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times... before the Empire."

[@itariwasashi1645]

Before... The Acolyte

[@ziephel-6780]

Little did we know that statement turned out to be way more accurate and real than we imagined.

[@TheForbiddenLean]

... did I ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano

[@Zinovad]

@@itariwasashi1645 Before... Disney

[@petermarchi1935]

The Acolyte is misquoting an old Samuri saying, "Never Draw your sword unless your prepared to draw blood!" The idea being to impress upon the student never draw your weapon unless youe prepared to use it.

[@tickledpickle5671]

kreia: "A lightsaber. A jedi too, and a Sith weapon."

[@OptimumGaming149]

Ima be honest, I would so steal all those lightsabers. Catch me hiding in the bushes till the battle is over

[@EflowNivek]

Found the General Grievous Alt

[@Cainmarko_1]

I'll be right there with you. Who wouldn't want one or all of those?

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

Hello there

[@rossjones8656]

Me as well.

[@yungdarn3876]

"Multiple fine additions for my collection" *crawls away*

[@TheZach201]

It's worth noting, here, that the line about killing comes from a character that misunderstands and hates the jedi.

[@kfactor99]

Every time they come back to this quote as if a Jedi said it is making me cringe. how are you going to make a 35 minute video and misquote it. jesus. this is embarassing. i'd delete this video if I were them.

[@blazingshadow2669]

@@kfactor99 I did not see anyone correct Mei. not one piece of dialogue scoffing at the statement or refuting it.

[@ReicantheJester]

yeah, the writers.

[@watchmesquatch]

No it's not. Stop doing mental gymnastics for a terrible show.

[@jaylm4112]

They seem to miss that

[@davidmontgomery8332]

A lightsaber is a tool of justice.

[@chasemauney9654]

Thank you for being honest and not blindly going along with Disney nonsense

[@bryceyazdiya]

In the high republic the jedi are supposed to be true peacekeepers and withhold from drawing a lightsaber unless absolutely necessary. They are opposed to violence of all types and even have to use their blade to unlock the weapons system on their ships. It's simply a different philosophy for a much more peaceful time

[@Dtree21]

And see this is how I interpreted it as well. I didn't think they were like breaking canon it was just a philosophy for the time period and like you mentioned a very peaceful time at that.

[@Species_5618]

Agreed

[@jaieregilmore971]

But in case the opponent try kill you with lethal weapons better pull lightsaber to defend yourself and end the fight they peacekeepers but not harmless or pushovers.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

So you think an order that has existed for millennia with techniques as old as time would have that big a fundamental shift in combat philosophy within the lifespan of many of its members despite the fact they served the same function in the galaxy and are using the same techniques? That makes no sense. "I only take out my blade to kill" followed by not killing your opponent two seconds later because they're disarmed? That makes sense. I thought he had to kill now that his blade is out but I guess not because he's disarmed his opponent implies that disarming the opponent was always a viable option. The logic you propose isn't consistent.

[@Dtree21]

@@holstorrsceadus1990 it's plausible because think re-world for s second. In the Wild wild west lawmen probably drew their weapon every chance they got but today's modern police are encouraged to use the weapon as a last resort. Both instances involve a firearm but climate of the periods are very different. The acolyte takes place in a pretty peaceful time vs modern star wars had bigger threats...thus a different philosophy on lightsaber combat.

[@ClanDWoolz]

The way of the jedi couldn't have changed over thousands of years.

[@TheStupendousWave]

Actually, Obi-Wan says that to Anakin about 100 years after the Acolyte, but Qui-Gon taught Kenobi presumably 80 years after.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

Yoda would still have been Grandmaster then and they served the same function in the Republic up until the rise of Sidious so probably not.

[@ravencross7779]

Stupendouswave, it's been a while my friend!

[@apex3d595]

I think some people are taking the line to literal. Perhaps Mae has a distorted view of the Jedi and thinks or was taught this.

[@Valkyraw]

Disney needs to finally understand that Dark Side does not mean Sith. A Sith follows the Sith Code and the Sith ideology. They are not good people! Stop trying to change what Sith are Disney.. "Empathy is a Jedi trait. Empathy leads to understanding. Understanding leads to compassion. Compassion leads to love. There is no place for love for a Sith. Only hate." ―A Sith master to his apprentice

[@michaelhill4015]

they don't understand the entire premise of Star Wars.

[@jimmyramos1989]

Yes. This complaint is pills hairs. It’s obviously not literally only to kill. This argument by stupendous is disingenuous.

[@jacklatta1890]

Why? Because you don’t like the show? I disagree with this whole premise

[@qwertiepie]

What is the premise of star wars?

[@jonny45k44]

Here come the Disney defenders 🙄

[@CuteGallifreyian]

According to who? You and your fanfiction? The EU/Legends material? The issue is everyone has a different interpretation of the Force and the Star Wars mythos. It doesn't make the Acoylte any less correct, it's just a different interpretation of the same material.

[@andrewawad2609]

It's why they're always getting their one hand cut off.

[@zachwhite4680]

Please don’t stop making these discussion videos!!! Y’all say exactly what Star Wars should be saying! The fusion of lore and cannon that is used in debates is ❤

[@kaelinjefferies9267]

Not all Jedi have the same mindset. Qui Gon is a good example of that

[@charles-vq2zg]

You two expressed my inner feelings perfectly on the Acolyte.

[@Tripp2136]

Yo i love this cat!! Salute to your channel my G!!!

[@EflowNivek]

When you look at it as the Jedi being an allegory to American law enforcement in The Acolyte, it makes sense. The lightsabers are pistols which have that very rule "Do not point the barrel at anything you're unwilling to destroy"

[@Ragnorok657]

@EflowNivek but that is not what the jedi represent, that is YOUR interpretation of what the jedi represent, The jedi are not the police, they are peaceful, peacekeeper monks that try to stand for the good in the known universe.

[@EflowNivek]

@@Ragnorok657 My interpretation? nonono sir I'm trying to look at it from *their* as in the writer's of this show's point of view. It's the only thing that remotely fits. The shadiness of not reporting stuff to elected officials, to the Ki Adi-Mundi cover up, everything about the lightsaber. Them Misunderstanding Anakin killing Dooku (it wasn't that Dooku was unarmed it was that Anakin wanted revenge and the likelihood that Dooku wouldn't have resisted)

[@Ragnorok657]

@@EflowNivek 1. Their were different writers and the ones writing this show don't understand basic star wars let alone how the world works 2. Yes that is called your interpretation of said events in said show

[@frann8552]

CONTEXT IS VERY IMPORTANT This isn't set in the clone wars or the new republic or the old republic. This is set in the high Republic. Jedi have been at peace for years and have grown complacent and overconfident in their ability to diffuse situations with the force and martial arts. Lots of jedi even stopped practicing lightsaber combat altogether because they thought it was unnecessary and too violent.

[@H0lland0ates79]

@@frann8552 it’s funny to me how many Star Wars fans and content creators have forgotten or simply overlooked this fact

[@wojciechyskawa9024]

@@H0lland0ates79 content creators do this on purpose. It gets them views.

[@BryanTheDM]

Content creators in this sphere are ignorant on purpose. They know that most of their criticisms regarding lore and characterization are wrong, but they'll never talk about it or try to consider that they're wrong for the sake of appearing objective and confident. With this show, it CLEARLY begins with every single person with some shit to say forgetting, ignoring, or even lying about the fact that this story takes place in a time period where philosophies and sensibilities are in COMPLETE AND TOTAL FLUX, CONTRADICTION, AND COLLAPSE. Not a single thing in this video matters and I've been done with this channel for months, now.

[@johnduval760]

Thank you! When they begin a video citing examples from the Clone Wars and after the fall of the order, they lost me. Context matters.

[@dunebuggy1292]

Ah yes....precisely why Obi-wan and Qui Gon Jinn, in spite of never facing a Sith before, managed to combat one. And the padawan ending up defeating him....because Jedi stopped using light sabers or slacked. Yeah that's a very compelling head canon. Very compelling to also presume the Sith are the only danger a Jedi is likely to face, warranting the use of a light saber. Honestly, if this argument wasn't so compelling, I'd have to call you a choice word indicating a lack of intelligence.

[@bluemassgamer17]

It comes down the quote when obi wan said to anakin "only a sith works in absolutes." So having the mindset that a lightsaber is meant to kill sounds "working in absolutes."

[@kfactor99]

it's almost like the quote was from a person being led on by a "sith" to attack jedi. crazy i know

[@KingShibe]

I'm pretty sure he was calling Anakin a Sith in that moment who has the you're with me or not mentality

[@cory5014]

all sith are bad is a absolute

[@Tidbit.97]

"*Deals* in absolutes"

[@justicegundam4008]

These commentary videos are great! I really think Stupendous Wave should do them more often!

[@randomramblings2325]

Absolutely brilliant video thank you so much for doing a deep dive into the light sabre forms of both Jedi and Sith i think it shows that maybe there was still some good in Dooku during attack of the clones when he cut off Anakin even Anakin as Vader cutting off Luke’s hand I guess it just goes to show that even a Sith to never truly forget what it was like to be a Jedi

[@andrewawad2609]

I found it weird that Indara said "a Jedi never draws unless prepared to kill."

[@Galvatron_Studios]

Clearly, everybody here forgot Mae was just trying to play mind games with the Jedi.

[@kmessiah1]

Lol was she now? Mae threw 2 knives at Master Trinity and pull another one out 😂 The time for games is well over, it's time for a lightsaber to be drawn. Stop writing for them dude it was a dumbass line that makes no sense...

[@joaomiguelsantos939]

Right??? It's like no one can see through the manipulation and keeps getting stuck in a literal interpretation. It's so reductive and ignores all subtext and context of the situation

[@captwolf09]

@thestupendouswave I’m going to have to disagree here. The only person to say to draw a lightsaber is means the Jedi is ready to kill is Mae. She’s been manipulated by Qimir for years. Even if he believes that, it’s a lie that the legacy of the darksiders has clearly perpetuated. The true statement is that if a lightsaber is drawn, death is not imminent but is possible though not desired. I agree with the statement that Jedi see lightsabers as swords that are shields and nothing in the show has contradicted that so far. The show has its flaws, but this isn’t one of them.

[@timboslice9905]

You’re right. But Indara then puts her sword away as if Mae is right. That’s the part that makes it seem like it’s true for me. Otherwise, she should have just ignored Mae. Either way, I do think that the dark side characters are using that idea to their own advantage.

[@robbymartinez1992]

That’s the part that makes it stupid. I trained in weapons, and there are some that are primarily defensive. A saber can be used to defend oneself and I fully expected her to say that. I mean she had literally just slashed several daggers out of the air and had no idea if she was out but because you say that let me put it up? Sorry that’s stupid. They needed a reason for her not to be able to defend an elementary school trick of throwing two things at the same time and die like a chump. I mean just write a line where she knows what’s coming but she accepts her fate ala Obi Wan. The way she went out was literally the first red flag of what was to come

[@watchmesquatch]

Clown

[@theazurefire91]

​@@timboslice9905 Indara is her own person and does not represent the entire Order. Jedi can be bad people too. The Jedi trio who mind wiped Revan were treated with disgust 300 years later. And the original Jorus C'baoth did terrible things while still being accepted as a Jedi.

[@nanashi4147]

Any self respecting fan would disagree with this take. Hair splitting has caused them a loss in common sense and now they cannot see the forest for the trees

[@andrewawad2609]

It's only what May says, and she's already on the dark-side.

[@mikelombard21]

I never get in the First fight with Trinity she says that line "attacks me with all your strength", that's the opposite of Jedi philosophy. A much better line wouldve been "defend yourself with all of your strength". Jedi are all about defense always. Its the small stuff with the writing like that that drives me nuts.

[@cjaypaz9842]

And yet you call her Trinity 😂

[@rockstribute]

She says that because she has no understanding of the Jedi Code. All she knows about Jedi are that they came to her home, tried to take her. Ended up killing her mothers and then whatever Qimir has told her, so it makes perfect sense. It's a terrible line, like worse than "Toshe Station" bad, especially when saying it to someone who's in deep meditation. But it made sense to me

[@mikelombard21]

@rockstribute sure, but it's the high republic and jedi are prevalent. I don't think you need to know the jedi code to know they are the defenders of peace and justice in the galaxy. Not a hit squad who kill on sight. And just fight to the death with any random person who challenges them.

[@mikelombard21]

@cjaypaz9842 I don't remember her characters name she was in the show for such a brief moments I forget.

[@diyomaxwell330]

@@mikelombard21 It has nothing to do with how prevalent they are at this point in the timeline. She's been listening to sith propaganda for 16 years, not riding around the galaxy with her friends or having a normal life. The only personal interactions she's had with any Jedi before episode 1 was when they slaughtered her family. The writing even made sure to tell you her state of mind when INDARA says "The Jedi don't attack the unarmed" and Mae corrects her by saying "Yes you do". This is the problem with shows actually writing scenes well by showing us rather than telling us because then people who don't care to pay attention to the show don't even understand what's going on. In this video wave goes on and on about the line of drawing your lightsaber with intent to kill when again, MAE is the one who says that. Not a single Jedi ever do.

[@Lure_01]

I remember reading "if a Jedi has a spare light saber, then thats two weapons too many a Jedi carries"

[@TurboFade1]

“Throwing Windu out the window”😂😂yaw get me through my 12 hour shifts I swear

[@Dam-a-fence]

Guys, I get what you think you're saying, you're wrong. Indara says "A Jedi doesn't attack the unarmed." Horrible writing and not true, Proper remark would be "A Jedi does not attack. A Jedi defends." Mae says "the Jedi only pull their lightsabers when they're prepared to kill." and Indara does not put it away, she lowers it, while it is still lit. Good fight choreography. She didn't deny it, because words have power, not using them is a form of power, good fight choreography again. You seem to know a lot more about lightsaber etiquette than I do, but I only take the time to learn the etiquette I need to use so I appreciate that there. Much of what you've said I've heard here and there before, I remember few names because they're not English enough to make the dent they need to in my brain, considering the etiquette I need again. Thank you for the comic reference, that is one of my favorite exchanges between Anakin and Obi-Wan, mostly because of how it implies the tutelage of Yoda in Dooku through Qui-Gon. Acolyte SUCKS.

[@kevinforest657]

Maybe they are emphasizing the difference in the Jedi of the High Republic and the Jedi of Prequel era and beyond. Maybe something happened that caused the Jedi to change their philosophy when it comes to the use of the saber.

[@AUFordFalcon]

It was my understanding that this was exactly what the series was about. It wasn't 700 years before Clone Wars and Empire, it was directly before the major decline of the Jedi.

[@carlospadilla7247]

Why try and rationalize thier actions instead of just accepting the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions? Which is they hate/don't understand star wars.

[@BryanTheDM]

That's literally the entire point of the show and the time period in SW, but these people will do literally EVERYTHING to avoid admitting or acknowledge it.

[@watchmesquatch]

😂😂😂

[@jacklatta1890]

@@carlospadilla7247 because we disagree with this logic. Because some of us ENJOY the new content and the expansion of topics and ideas. It isn’t that we aren’t smart enough to see what you see, it’s that some of us disagree with you and this kind of assumption

[@BrandonJPearce]

My mind flashes to Obi-Wan in episode 2, cutting Zam Wessel non-lethally

[@sagasta1983]

Can we all collectively agree, the acolyte was nothing more than a bad dream?

[@aaronsmithjr.5505]

I love this. Nerds defeating Disney logic.

[@sixevensage7004]

I like that "Jedi sword should be used as a shield". Upholds the lore.

[@streakydrip8792]

Great breakdown. I just chalked it up to these Jedi’s aren’t battle tester, high ego, and being afraid so they are quicker to grab their Lightsaber.

[@brianjohnson3743]

Literally the first combat use of a lightsaber we see in the lore is Kenobi lopping off an arm.

[@devinwedman44]

spamming the like button. been preaching all of this the whole show so far

[@Egregore-33]

The Jedi of the high republic are obviously being shown to be like the samurai that existed after the warring states period of japan. They didn’t draw their sword unless they intend to kill you. They follow the rules of ritualistic combat such as fairness, formal bowing, no dirty tricks. All the nonsense written in Hagakure. The samurai of the post warring states era were artists, politicians, poets, and lastly warriors. Though they trained a lot, a warrior is built through war, not playing in a dojo. They were nothing in comparison to the warring states period samurai who would kill you using whatever they could. The high republic Jedi are being depicted like this for a reason. We are watching the fall of a once great order of warriors. And who is their enemy? The Ninja. The Sith. The hidden. The deceptive. The rule breakers. As someone who has spent 40 years immersed in Japanese martial arts, all of this makes sense to me. Everything changes from one generation to the next. Even beliefs about samurai have changed wildly over the past 3 generations as we learned that the samurai that wrote the hagakure were not philosophically similar to the samurai of the sengoku period. All that “if I draw my blade you will die” stuff was created by fancy elite samurai from a time of peace in japan. That era gave rise to some amazing Shinobi though. Because the samurai were too focused on rules and honor, it made them easier to kill. I usually enjoy this channel, but I find your lack of historical insight disturbing. Jedi are based on samurai. The Jedi way, like the way of the samurai expressed in a Ryu changes over time like a river. Sometimes peaceful, sometimes turbulent, but always changing. I think in the future you will look back at this show and feel great dissatisfaction with your initial understanding of what was being shown.

[@DaNewWaveLee]

Thank you for this information. I too practiced martial arts and agree. I typically find this channel’s discussion valuable. I am surprised at how shortsighted they wanted to have this discussion.

[@Wright805]

"Jedi are based on samurai." VERY loosely though. Even the worst Jedi wouldn't behead a peasant for brushing past him.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

Bro it's like 100 years BBY and a ton of Jedi (Yoda for instance) would have been alive in both eras. I highly doubt there would be a massive fundamental shift in philosophy between the two eras especially considering they still had the same basic function in the Republic up until the rise of Sidious.

[@DaNewWaveLee]

@@holstorrsceadus1990 there was a change. According to Dagan the Jedi avoided as much conflict as they could and didn’t do enough to expand their footprint. There was a lot of stuff going on in the outer rim that the Jedi neglected and this show might end up showing that. What we saw in prequels where Jedi were controlled by the Sith. They had to fight.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

Also, warring states era samurai actually tried to capture high value targets hence the practice of committing battlefield seppuku in order to avoid capture.

[@antonioventura5561]

The stretch on these complaints is insane. You’re both big babies

[@antonioventura5561]

6-7 minutes in like wtf are we even rambling on about lmao this is just laughable

[@DreadMaximus]

Agreed What happened to this channel?

[@jacklatta1890]

Agreed 👍 disappointed as hell in this whole episode

[@BryanTheDM]

Never seen someone flip from "genuinely cool dude" to "insufferable baby who is literally wrong about the things he swears he knows".

[@watchmesquatch]

​​@@BryanTheDMand then there's so. A nobody crying like a child on the internet. 😂

[@FittedSheet2000]

I cant stand how Disney completely got rid of the yellow flashes for saber clashes (not sure if you talk about that in this)

[@gabrielchastain6091]

They wanted to take a different take Although maybe I'm remembering wrong but I've never noticed yellow clashes with sabers in the prequels or og trilogy

[@okankyoto]

@@gabrielchastain6091 The original trilogy has hand-painted flashes that are reddish/orangish for 1 frame. (weirdly Ep 4 has them even when they dont clash) Prequel has 1 or 2 frame yellowish bright flashes at the clash.

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

If a jedi lights up his ligh saber it means diplomacy has fail and needs yo gain control of the situation. Just lightning it up scares and tells people to chill out.

[@CFree-gw2uo]

Darth Bane tricked Zana into using her lightsaber instead of her Sith ability. She figured that out and defeated him on their next encounter.

[@krystoferdo]

I believe this entire video is taking things out of proportion. Mae stated that Jedi don't unsheathe their weapon unless *prepared* to kill. This doesn't mean that killing is their intention, it just means that a deadly weapon is drawn, and at any given time, a Jedi CAN kill, if necessary. The entirety of this 35 minute video is essentially arguing something that wasn't even explicitly stated in the first place. Canon wasn't broken.

[@jeremykrall1694]

Click bait, or Acolyte bashing? Only reason for this video.

[@mikelombard21]

Perfectly said; "My lightsaber is only a weapon of death, rather than restraint and harmony...". Its just so against everything we know about lightsabers and the writers dont have a clue.

[@teamtundra2619]

No

[@diyomaxwell330]

The Jedi never say anything like this in the show. The only person who says that a lightsaber is drawn with intent to kill is Mae after she's been fed sith propaganda for 16 years. Most Jedi we've seen in the show actively use their lightsabers for non-lethal purposes. Yord uses his like a flashlight so often it's annoying. You quite literally fell for sith propaganda.

[@liamdacre1818]

Acolyte Jedi: I’m drawing my lightsaber to kill he’s too dangerous to be alive Canon Jedi: That is not the Jedi way he must live. A Jedi uses the force only to defend never for attack

[@cobra3094]

Canon Jedi: Ignites Lightsaber when gas appears.

[@DreadMaximus]

Lol like Mace against Palpatine?

[@AUFordFalcon]

​@@DreadMaximusYou dare bring logic to this nostalgia discussion?

[@BryanTheDM]

Mace Windu, with an ignited saber: "HE'S TOO DANGEROUS TO BE LEFT ALIVE!!"

[@watchmesquatch]

​@@cobra3094self defense. Cry more though.

[@frankfreeman1553]

Jedi: believe they're underneath The Force Sith: believe they're above The Force

[@Sci-Fi-Mike]

Excellent argument by both of you. I completely agree regarding the use and purpose of lightsabers, and the Acolyte writers didn't have a decent understanding of this.

[@kevinclapson]

The Acolyte suffers the same issue that many modern adaptations or treatments suffer: that its out to use an IP to tell a specific story instead of telling a story in service of that IP. In the case of The Acolyte, the story they wanted to tell was a deconstruction of roles, primarily roles such as "good guys," "authorities," and the patriarchy, handled with all the narrative grace of a toddler.

[@teamtundra2619]

I don’t think so

[@carlospadilla7247]

@@teamtundra2619 I bet you don't....

[@doro626]

I agree whole heartedly. To write for another persons IP is to exercise discipline on yourself. There are things you can and can't do. I will use a simple examples. Light saber colors. There are a set number of colors. Samuel Jackson asked George if they can have a purple one. The games/books took it further and made the colors show certain roles or personalities. If someone says I want a blade that is a rainbow, then the answer would be no. If a writer says I want to make a blaster that has a lightsaber in it like the cartoon Ulysses 31, the answer would be no. It breaks canon to just look cool. The reverse of that, that can (IMO) also be problematic. I watched a Star Wars Visions episode about people who dig Kyber crystals getting abandoned in the very mine they dug teh crystals from. in the end they get rescued but nothing in that story felt inherently star wars. It could have been any fantasy or no fantasy property digging a precious commodity. So the story ended up feeling superfluous.

[@jwinnfield9192]

good discussion guys. ive watched before but this finally got a sub. we need more people that can intelligently highlight lucasfilm going wrong. So many just repeatedly post 10 words of vitriolic hate without receipts or reason.

[@alex141516]

The Jedi really fell a long way in 100 years. They went from, "You must only draw your lightsaber if you intend to kill," to "let me use it as a light source."

[@charliedulin]

That fall happened literally in the same episode.

[@zedbruh7212]

the color of the blade is symbolic like every other part the idea its never "drawn unless prepared to kill is too simplistic a view for what it stands for

[@Yodakaycool]

Dear Stupendous Wave, could you make an video explanation about how the jedi during the clone wars were more susceptible versus the old republic era? I thought the jedi were always on the defense because of the rule of two and not that the old republic (before Ep1) was the "golden era". Thx

[@iggi3985]

George Lucas said it himself, ‘Disney doesn’t understand the force’

[@Falpastymonster]

2:51 agreeing to this, Ben when he protects Luke in the bar cuts off the arm and not kills a unarmed (pun intended) person. Which matches what he said. Also in episode one when obi and his master get spooked while waiting for the federation and the room starts to fill up with gas, they both draw thier lightsabers

[@victormoreno2360]

Another great example of how the Jedi should use their lightsaber is with Obi Wan on Mustafar. Even after Anakin slaughted a majority of the Order at the temple, killed younglings, and the unarmed separatist, Obi Wan still decided to use a non-lethal move on Anakin. Even though it was a forbidden move, Obi Wan had all the authority to kill Anakin, now being a Sith Lord and for what he had done at the temple, but again Kenobi showed restrain and ended the battle without taking Anakin's life, and leaving the fate of Anakin to the Force! I will always believe that Obi Wan is a perfect example of what a Jedi should be. His nickname is "The Negotiator", he would always try to find a diplomatic solution before all else, and the times we see him use his lightsaber he rarely takes a life. He is shown using non-lethal techniques all throughout Star Wars. Like you mentioned in the New Hope, Attack of the Clones, during the Clone Wars, and again on Mustafar! Even during the Kenobi series. He could have taken Darth's life again but listened to the Force and ended the battle!

[@antonj7944]

In SWTOR for example, you could try to avoid fights with jedi as a sith in cutscenes but jedi don't automatically go "oh ok ure free to go" xd

[@lionelthawne7723]

True Sith are not Virtuous correct... We are Vigilant⚔️⚛️🌹I love Revan... I H🔥te Sidious

[@Gor85]

I completely agree. Sith are pure threat and evil. You really spoke honestly,despite you like the Sith😊Jedi use lightsaber only in defence,for peace. Sith use it to kill,conquer,destroy. Acolyte again destroyed lightsabers. It destroys canon and legends. Thank you Stupendous and Archivist. May the Force be with you both😊

[@NightBane345]

The Acolyte writers doesn't get Star Wars mythos as a whole. They just took the skin of Star Wars, and think they could get away with it, and fans wouldn't notice

[@codymazza7303]

which is actually crazy to even think about....Star Wars is known for having one of the most lore critical fanbases ever...

[@Luke_wait_for_it_marengo]

The female writers you mean?

[@clintonford9609]

The writers don't realize burnt hair visibly singes and stinks. How can we expect them to understand Star Wars?

[@jacklatta1890]

@@NightBane345 then don’t watch it. May I remind you, Lucas, sold the rights. For 4 Billion. Not million, BILLION. So, as far as I’m concerned, they can run it into a Star and destroy it, if it suits them. You wanna point blame? Blame Lucas

[@lordfrank8719]

Sadly this is a common trend among the newer tv shows that try to dive into pop culture like starwars, wheel of time, lord of the rings. To name a few...its almost as if they hire people who have no clue what they are writing about.

[@satmtca]

Considering this happened over 100 years before the prequels I can c why their views on the lightsaber is different

[@jeffreyherndon5259]

Stupendous, thank you for answering my question/comment about Yoda’s shoto saber hilt because of his height.

[@Tom-wm8qs]

What I’m wondering is why are there so many yellow lightsabers? They seem to be just as common as blue and green here but 80 years later you pretty much never see them

[@kevin-2.1]

Great video on what a Jedi view a lightsaber.

[@kingleo5368]

I've watched everything star wars pretty much but something told not to watch the acolyte and after your vids I'm glad I didn't

[@sayurissanctuary6404]

It's High Republic, not skywalker era. It's not too hard to understand. You can leave your mom's basement now.

[@AUFordFalcon]

Agreed. I loved this channel and Star Wars Theory, but they do not own the franchise. Star Wars stepping out and trying new things is fine, and I welcome the new takes.

[@guyincognito8909]

I was also thinking the red lightsaber is a red flag because they're made by pouring all your nastiness into the crystal, so to be able to do that you must be very bad indeed, and have probably been trained by someone who has the nasty sith legacy of ambition and manipulation.

[@bvang0520]

I remember when episode 3 came out in theaters and my sister's friend was laughing how Star Wars has laser swords and people wave their hands to do magic in space. I feel that is the understanding Disney has about Star Wars.

[@Ragnorok657]

@bvang0520 I mean you aren't wrong.

[@skipslash7367]

what else is there about star wars

[@StrappedSnowMexican]

- "Whip it out" "That's all I have..." -

[@greendaydude22]

Guys, they also use their lightsabers for non lethal uses in the show as well, in the first episode or 2nd episode, Yord uses it as a light source, they don’t mean the literal only use is to kill, they mean in the context of the combat

[@JamesMorningstar-pp4ob]

And another thing they tried to ruin is the process of making a lightlsaber

[@jeff37801mf]

Dunno, I think they all have a version of "live by the sword, die by the sword" - great vid, I am not up on the various stories and it was interesting.

[@arwinaBluKat]

Excellent video!

[@andrewharris3570]

Being a Jedi means master self control

[@davidcici11Evolution]

The Jedi Order kinda were different before the Clone Wars, so i can understand it. They were more militant during the Clone Wars reason Obi Wan and Anakin were the primary examples of the campaigns during that time.

[@mattsmith5704]

This probably has no baring for the Jedi but an interesting point is that Lucas did base the Jedi on Samurai and not drawing your sword unless it’s to kill is actually a thing in samurai culture (I believe, anyone that is free to say I’m wrong if they know better)

[@jacklatta1890]

I’m not gonna say you are wrong, but Lucas has a big bag of nonsense he sprinkled all over this storyboard…and when Disney went to simple fights in the new movies, people complained about that because they weren’t hoping and flipping all over the place anymore like in a bad KungFu movie You just can’t please everyone

[@Wright805]

@@jacklatta1890 No, people complained because the choreography in those fights was abysmal.

[@jacklatta1890]

@@Wright805 I believe the choreography was intentional…it’s my belief that because the order, both Jedi and Sith, had fallen, the new users of sabres were recreating it, very much intuitively. On the fly. Which explains why Luke used the Sabre much like a baseball bat in Return of the Jedi…on the barge, in the final scene, etc. Look at Luke use a Sabre and it was incredibly raw. The choreography was awful there too. Look at it again with fresh eyes and tell me I’m wrong…Luke was possibly the worst user of a lightsaber until the most recent movies…and who is it that taught the next generation? Yeah, that would be Luke

[@Wright805]

@@jacklatta1890 Watch, for example, the Rey and Kylo vs. Pratorian Guard fight. At the very start one of them swings at Rey's head and deliberately misses. Later in the scene a Guard has a weapon in each hand. He starts fighting Rey and for no reason at all, one of the weapons disappears from his hand. He doesn't drop it, it's there one second and gone the next. And you think that was intentional?

[@leeroygreen8711]

When you have nothing left to complain about….

[@watchmesquatch]

^ When you're a Disney shill.

[@jacklatta1890]

@@watchmesquatch another cringe comment…Disney shill? Get over yourself

[@Jay12Dizzle]

. This video is full of him saying a bunch of nothing😂 Just hating for no reason and even proving the point of what they were doing in the show

[@alejandromolina7270]

31:08 that is something that really irks me with today's pop media. All these artist, writers and directors saying they relate more to the villains so they want to portray them as "complex" while heroes are shafted and get targeted as flawed and deep down bad people. Here's a wake up call. Being good and virtuous is difficult and sometimes impossible. There is no reward for being good, except for helping or saving lives eho you'll never meet. Hell, the 12th Doctor shouted it out at the Master why he does what he does, "because it is right. Because it is decent, and above all because it's kind". He even states that nothing might come out of it and he'll fail. Yoda even said this in the Revenge of the Sith novel. The Jedi do what they do for the moral reasons, never for things that'll benefit for themselves.

[@Purpleninjawv]

If Star wars was a religion, then the Disney version is the Jehovah's witness 😂.

[@vagabond4576]

Straight up diss us in the first seconds saying, "Greetings Acolytes"

[@drakkaar6676]

I still consider Legends canon and Disney-pocalypse can suck it.

[@zerokool-13-0]

The Blade is the Heart of the Jedi [Lightsaber] The crystal is the heart of the blade. The heart is the crystal of the Jedi The Jedi is the crystal of the Force. The Force is the blade of the heart. All are intertwined: The crystal,The blade,The Jedi. You are one.

[@Newbyrock23]

There are many times in history where weapons are drawn with the intent of deescalation, not provocation. The weapon is a tool and the wielder decides the method of deployment. This show doesn’t just misunderstand Star Wars as a property, and its source material. It doesn’t understand basic principals.

[@ursacor]

The Acolyte is a small compact time frame story. That happens long before Luke , before Obi-Wan etc. So a story that in the vast rich time line of Cannon and Legend Starwars. Is tiny , merely a speck in that time frame. So enjoy it, instead of hacking it to pieces.

[@stephenbrock3321]

This is because the acolyte is written by woke individuals who want to portray the light saber as it last resort weapon rather than what a light saber is supposed to be a Jedi’s life as Obi-Wan said to Anakin

[@Infamous1892]

I wish they would make a show where they talk about Lightsaber Combat. Way of the Rancor, Juyo/Vaapad, way of the krayt dragon. We wanna see these things and how their philosophy in fighting influences their learning and connection to the force. They all use the Force to flow through them when they fight. Talk about their colors and why they matter. What does it mean to be a guardian? Why are consular important? Show us sentinels.

[@megacodeheals722]

It’s a civilized tool used as an extension of the jedis power

[@StardustMagician420]

Couldve gone my life without watching this show just like my friend 😂

[@karnovtalonhawk9708]

G'day all, just wanted to say that there could be blood from lightsaber cuts if they go through a large artery. Most cauterising of wounds involves pressing down with a hot object, to pretty much fry the top layer of flesh together. The pressure from an artery would easily blow through a deep wound, especially if the lightsaber cuts so quickly passing through a person, it might just as well burn people's' veins and arteries open.

[@chaospar09]

Just out of curiosity but could the reason this eras Jedi have that mind set be because they are still wary after their recent conflict with the Nihil I mean it's only been 100 hundreds unless I'm mistaken.

[@MiamiHeatHype]

We need a show based on Luke and his training of jedi and the evils they faced … mandalorian ? Come on let’s gettt ittt pleaseee ! ! ! 15:59

[@mikelombard21]

Not to mention all the limbs that have been chopped off in Canon to diffuse a situation non-thethally. That line to me shows a lack on understanding of the universe they are contributing to.

[@HansJuergen-ps8bt]

Especially if you consider that all characters are aware how prolific completely functional prosthesis of the Hand is in the Universe throughout the canon. Considering that Anakin had to be convinced by Palpatine to Execute Count Dooku after completely disarming him the Jedi way and cutting off the Hands the take the show has is hella weird.

[@carlospadilla7247]

@mikelombard21 "contributing" that's hilarious

[@carlospadilla7247]

@HansJuergen-ps8bt actually Anakin even went too far at that point. Taking both hands is excessive by almost any jedi standard. Infact the taking of multiple limbs is referred to as Mou kei. It was generally forbidden unlike Cho mok which is just removing a single limb to end a fight.

[@HansJuergen-ps8bt]

@@carlospadilla7247 only as much as is necessary to prevent more harm to all parties.

[@carlospadilla7247]

@HansJuergen-ps8bt so anakin didn't need to take both hands just the one holding the lightsaber.

[@jameswalker4291]

Just because a Sith or Sith Acolyte says “A Jedi only does…” doesn’t mean they are speaking facts. The Sith are known for playing on a Jedi’s morality and that’s all that was needed for o me. Mae messing with Indara’s moral high ground in attempts to bring her low. For a Sith acolyte it’s not surprising to use any means necessary to unbalance your enemy. Also, Mae wasn’t a true Sith so she was likely just repeating whatever teachings she herself was taught. She was flowing on hatred so it didn’t matter whether she was speaking truth or not, slander can be just as affective for a desperate newb.

[@GGBlaster]

And I’d normally agree with you, but what rattles me is that no one in the show seems to vocally disagree with or correct Mae’s manipulative comment. It’s not the Dun Möch itself, nor that it worked, but rather that there’s no obvious rebuttal of the statement that stands out.

[@slicerneons3300]

Acolyte is a disaster that fortunately, I will never watch. Much suffering is avoided this way.

[@jacklatta1890]

@@slicerneons3300 first time I hear someone speak sense…don’t like, don’t watch. It’s simple and it baffles me that all the people who hate the show continue to watch anyway…I think it’s bizarre, watching something just to find ways to pick it apart. Speaks to the person more than speaks to the show. At least you are going about the dislike in the right way

[@richardclemons9603]

We can't forget most jedi we know are combat veterans they have a much different experience with their weapons then a generation not used to war but only to be used in self defense

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

If there is one thing the acolyte does right its the sith guy and the lightsaber fights, don't forget maybe the older ways of the lightsaber philosophy is different to the philosophy of the prequels... i just mean it plays a 100 years before the prequels.

[@gaberomero1740]

Agreed, I don’t think the Acolyte is great, but it might be getting a little over analyzed because of that reason

[@jacklatta1890]

Agreed as well…I’m really tired of fans dumping on this show. Is it the best? Up for debate…but there is sooooo much garbage in the comics that is absurd, and I rarely hear any complaining about it…people just like to pick on Disney, and it’s kinda obvious it’s trendy to do so

[@watchmesquatch]

The fights are horrible.

[@MeisterSchwabbo]

@@watchmesquatch yeah, no, not really, they are a LOT better, cooler and more brutal to watch than anything from the Sequels, kenobi, or ep. 4... but hey, tastes are different, the only thing hateworthy about Acolyte are the main characters((except Sol)) and the story is mid as hell...

[@Hysube]

They don't understand the force what makes you think that they're going to understand a lightsaber

[@H0lland0ates79]

You can’t compare the philosophies of the Jedi during the waning time of the golden era to the time of Luke, or even the philosophies during the time of anakin. You need to remember that the Jedi had become completely comfortable in their role on top hence their need for lightsabers was practically nonexistent at the time. TLDR: you’re comparing apples to oranges

[@williamlevii]

agreed.

[@HansJuergen-ps8bt]

Do you understand that the force grants longevity? Most Jedi get surprisingly old. Yoda is ancient even at the beginning of the Skywalker Saga. 100 years is hella short time for this drastic of a change. You ain't selling that. All that you don't get it stuff falls apart the second you think that these Jedi are the masters of the Jedi of the Skywalker Saga era. Like literally they changed their mind so drastically they started to train their padawan to flash that thing around?

[@comradessan1041]

@@HansJuergen-ps8bton top of that the old republic held similar beliefs as far as I’m aware… so for the Jedi to just throw that away and somehow get back on track before the prequels is a very tough pill to swallow…more so Ki-adi-Mundi was alive through all this apparently (not to mention Yoda) so the timeline changing that drastically in a short period of time is baffling to say the least…