The AI Music Situation is Insane

[@marionrennel]

I just want to be able to open a google doc in word and vice versa without the formatting getting messed up. And yet, here we are lol.

[@heyvalabas2638]

I'm sure chat GPT could tell you how to fix that

[@marionrennel]

Touché. I will ask it tmrw.

[@Pumkinseeds.]

I have to agree there. I want talk to type / click for my whole computer. Or a car I can talk to like Kit.

[@Skypost4ever]

OMG yes

[@BilboSwagginsTheThird]

Fairly certain that's at least partially by design, Google doesn't want you to go to Word and Microsoft doesn't want you to go to Docs, they only make money by keeping you in their ecosystem.

[@MrCOLBSTAH]

There was an anime about this on Netflix about 2 years ago. It's called Carol and Tuesday. And it's about two young kids that live on Mars trying to make music together in a world dominated by almost entirely AI generated music

[@Un1234l]

Oh shit, I watched C&T but forgot that was the premise.

[@MrCOLBSTAH]

@@Un1234l in fact, I think it was also directed by the guy who made cowboy Bebop. And it was stated that it's in the same universe.

[@Mopantsu]

Watching it now. Thanks for the heads up.

[@Toberumono]

@@MrCOLBSTAHYou are correct on both counts

[@Alw1242]

It was a great show 👍

[@seres-de-luz]

I just came back from Lisbon Portugal and had dinner at a Fado music restaurant situated in an old 16th century vaulted house with great acoustics. No microphones, no amps, only acoustic guitars and voices. Beautiful live performance. And now seeing this video l have a lot more appreciation for music created by a group of human beings. Even with AI music, live music will always be there for us.

[@Strepite]

Yep, the future is in live instrument playing… Suck in on that tech-bros! We’re going full circle.

[@WillyJunior]

any idea what they were singing about?

[@musicmarshal123]

just wait 20 years and maybe Boston Dynamics will have built a robot dog that can play guitar

[@earthtones33]

How would you feel if those live musicians were playing music that was written by AI?

[@seres-de-luz]

@@earthtones33 l’m pretty sure some musicians will choose to play AI generated music, but these musicians were most over 50 years old and playing the most traditional Portuguese music ( written by Portuguese legends ) in a place famously known for just that. So it is very unlikely they would make such an out of context and poor choice like playing something created by an AI. It would be like serving potato chips in a high end restaurant. But to answer your question, I’d probably not notice it because AI is getting very good at creating similar things to what humans have historically created.

[@ryanshumway8479]

I'm a music teacher at a high school, and a couple weeks ago a friend of mine showed me suno and asked my opinion. As I don't think it's the greatest thing in the world, I dove right in and I'm using it in the classroom. I use it for ear training and modern band ensembles. I, or my students, generate a song and then we try to replicate ourselves on our instruments and voices. We are finding it a lot of fun and a good ear training tool.

[@Peron1-MC]

now that is a good use for it :) i play guitar because i think its fun. i have no intention on making it a career. its just a hobby. i wouldnt want to use this for music "writing". my cousin made a backing track for jamming along to on guitar. thats a pretty good use. as a tool rather than actual music making.

[@benjones5799]

yep. AI is a tool. Not doubt there will be pop artists that use this. I'm guessing it will be more like photoshop generative fill, or a writing tool

[@soggybiscuit6098]

This is the worst it will be, soon people can generate polished music, the music industry is going to shrink proportionately with supply. AI will take all intellectual jobs, teaching included, soon they will have bodies and agency. The globalists at the WEF is pushing AI hard, expecting 40% near turn efficiency. Meaning 40% less employment.

[@WilloWat]

Why would you use a model that exploits artists, though (especially as an artist)? There are ethical models. See Fairly Trained.

[@soggybiscuit6098]

@@WilloWat human nature. Same way that AI has become an profit driven and control arms race

[@janedoe6181]

I really wish you’d reconsider making more music this year. I know I’m not alone in this request. The reason I subscribed to you, and became a Patreon supporter, is that I love to see you so passionate about music, and I love the music you create. Watching the pure joy you express when you’re really into a piece of music brings me joy.

[@RoomieOfficial]

I’mma be honest I don’t think I’ll be able to stay away from it haha. I love it too much

[@ausican4ever]

@RoomieOfficial This is why AI won't ever completely replace artists- visual or musical! Many people are hard-wired to create. As long as people find joy in creating and performing music, as long as people build community by jamming together, as long as people gather in a space to experience the shared emotions and physical vibrations of live music, ​human music will remain viable. Maybe corporations intent on pumping out hit after hit will struggle, but real music, with heart, soul, and passion will survive; for the joy of it!

[@tommax1626]

Yes, as i said on multiple occasions, i subscribed for Joel and i want to see him and listen to him.

[@Benlovescheese]

​@@RoomieOfficialyesss plsss make more music, id love to see what you'd make.

[@janedoe6181]

⁠​⁠@@RoomieOfficial You don’t know how happy I am to hear this!!

[@Foxfire-chan]

How the tables have turned with Billie Eilish. She had no issue using AI art for the cover of one of her promotional things or a cover of one of her albums because she couldn’t be bothered to pay an artist to do it, but is now up in arms now that ai is threatening her job. Classic mentality of “so what if it doesn’t affect me then who cares”. What we need is more sympathy and understanding and less apathy if we want to set up a world where there are pro human laws in an ai filled future.

[@amyt2035]

This is how I felt about AI art too, as in visual art/digital drawing/painting. I spent years practising things like tone, light and shadow, composition, colour theory and anatomy and was happy with what I was making but dropped the habit for a while. I was considering picking it back up again when AI art started becoming a thing. Seeing all the incredible human-looking art it could make just sapped the motivation right out of me.

[@NormaLeeIWood]

I empathize with you and all kinds of artists who are feeling demoralized by AI's capabilities. If it's any consolation, I'd much rather enjoy art by a human being. It feels much more impressive to know that the art was made by human skills, not to mention the emotional connection that comes from knowing that someone's personal feelings and thoughts went into the art. A drawing/painting of something is usually much more captivating to me than a photograph -- and a photograph taken by a human photographer is usually much more interesting than an image captured by something automatic, like a satellite or surveillance camera.

[@dogesowow]

​@@NormaLeeIWoodthat is one point of view. Then there's the one I subscribe to - that the art is to me as valuable as what it represents to me and how it makes me feel. If it isn't interesting to be, then that's that, I'm just not interested. I enjoy both human-drawn and AI-drawn images. The difference is that some of the images I'd like to be able to see just do not exist or I cannot find them, and I would not make a commission either way, oftentimes a commission is a matter of tens or hundreds of dollars and you cannot even be sure if you'll actually like the outcome. Which is why I value the option of being able to generate an AI images, because otherwise they wouldn't exist at all either way. While the AI helps a lot to people who just don't know how to draw it cannot afford to spend time on it, it also often isn't *quite* right or what you wanted, but it's closer to the result you wanted them nothing. Then, if you actually *CAN* afford commission it can be a reference that you can show someone to point them in the direction you want. AI also as of now has limitations. I hit a wall many times with my asks for some simple things. A snake. A white owl flying straight at the camera. More than one person on the image and their interaction. Animals being depicted faithfully. Hands, eyes. So far AI has real issues with many things. I don't know how it will look in the future, but I feel like the very nature of AI and the flood of images will make it very difficult for AI to be an answer to all the questions. It will be like an idea, like "something along these lines". And for more faithful or precise images we will still refer to real people.

[@G0DKILLER_]

Nah Im happy about AI Art, Years ago I wanted a logo done by this cool artist and he never responded. Now I can just generate something, If I don't like it, I re-roll. all for free

[@luzvazquez4189]

No offense but if the existence of AI takes inspiration out of you maybe you need therapy. And I'm serious about it. I'm not pro AI but it won't go away just because artists get sad, it will go away if artists keep doing art.

[@sneetchw]

An AI can create art that is good but it can't create art that is YOU. Only you can do that.

[@Lenci_the_Nugget]

This is wild. On one hand, I have lyrics that I'd love to turn into songs even though I don't have the access/money for studio time or equipment. On the other hand, as others in the comments are saying, I find it upsetting that as a society we could benefit from so many quality of life upgrades that make soulless work easier or unnecessary, but we are instead outsourcing the parts of the human experience that would provide jobs that are better for our mental health. Seems like a huge misallocation of technology.

[@autumninterludemusic]

I think the reason AI companies are trying to make models that make "art" rather than do some boring job that no one actually wants, is because you can't really do art "wrong," so AI will look impressive making it to get the companies more funding. also people have seen artificial art as the "final frontier" for technology so its an eye catching goal. Also most art, especially music is very well catalogued with most releases having a lot of metadata that goes with it like genre, subgenre, mood, key, bpm, lyrical topics. Having a huge database of well cataloged and organized data is the dream for AI developers and takes out the initial gruntwork of setting up training, making it very tempting to make models like this

[@krunkle5136]

​@user-wn2pv5qb5ppeople are being gaslit into thinking most work is soulless. Most work isn't. Fake work is, which is what might be left if AI develops and permeates society enough.

[@Maioubi]

Why do you want to replace the "soulless work" I do? I love my manual labor job in agricultural processing. I don't want to be forced to make art or music to feed myself. Honestly, you're so full of yourself you can't see it.

[@itch433]

People aren't forced to do the "soulless" work though, they do it because they need money to survive. If AI replaced fast food service workers or any other job that is considered unfavorable, it wouldn't make anyone's life any better, it would just leave a bunch of people unemployed. Not to mention that plenty people like to do the boring work, it's usually the conditions that make it look like slave labor that are the problem.

[@DolphinWithIgloo-fg3ow]

People already use social media to socialize as opposed to face to face gatherings, so we are already going down that road.

[@DanielMaia]

this makes me so afraid of the future, as someone who dedicated so many years of my life studying music production, its just so scary to think that maybe I just wasted all of this time. I feel truly sad about this.

[@moastray5093]

You dont waste it, you can still do whatever you do in the past Ai just give you more options, it dosent take any of the ones you have in the past You are free and now any body can do music without the time sacrifice you do, isnt that good?

[@NeroMai]

@@moastray5093 They're free to be jobless while people play with cheap imitation music? They sacrificed their time to be skilled at the craft they *enjoy* doing for a living. You take away both their life's purpose and income, and you genuinely think that is a good thing? What other options will be given, especially to put food on the table?

[@moastray5093]

@@NeroMai art is to be percive and to express, not for soembody to live of it if ai is better at medicine than doctors you would argue that people may not use ai instead of human doctors to mantain theyr jobs? let me answer that for you: NO, medicine exist to save the lives of people and to reduce suffering in this world, not for people to live of it you would tell someone to die because doctor need theyrer job?, because a surgery would have a higher dead ratio and a lesser sucess ratio

[@moastray5093]

labor economics hasnt been functioning for a while and ai is gonna terminate to kill it, we need post labor economics and people would be able to do art for love for it and no for profit motive... maybe and just maybe we will be free finaly our time would be ours to decide and not from others to decide thats my dream

[@NeroMai]

@@moastray5093 It's not for you to decide whether or not artists want to live off of their hard work, that's the artist's decision. If someone spends 8 hours producing art and music for a client, they deserve to be paid fairly. That's how artists have been operating for thousands of years. I'm strictly referring to people being *replaced* in favor of ai. I'm not talking about doctors using it alongside their work, so cut the whataboutism. You still haven't answered my question. In 2024, what options does this give to artists when you're taking their livelihood away? We're not living in some utopian society where people don't have to work anymore, we're far from it. So using that as an excuse while people could easily be homeless by next year is a short-sighted and ill-thought-out delusion.

[@alveraan1]

Udio is INSANE. Didn't think there would be such an evolution so quickly after Suno V3

[@Ah__ah__ah__ah.]

it is insane

[@overtonesnteatime198]

it's ok. Don't be so quick to be impressed.

[@WillyJunior]

Suno is way better though

[@bloodyiceberg6827]

@@WillyJunior suno is catchier but it's wood.

[@WillyJunior]

@@bloodyiceberg6827 wood? What does that mean

[@fen9007]

AI was supposed to do the boring and tedious tasks, not the fun ones. I'm scared Edit: please stop commenting lol, there's almost 90 of them you can't have anything else to say right? Edit 2: I SAID STOP WTH 😭

[@momentary_]

Don't worry. They'll do the boring and tedious stuff too. Enjoy. I'm just waiting for AI to replace CEO's and government, then we're really talking.

[@MurrayLime]

unintentional best Suno ad

[@Real_SkyRipper]

well this is not real AI so ofc it will only do the fun, easy, stuff. Music is just audio data, a program to generate audio data isn't crazy difficult, this is what this Suno is, there are no AI in real life, this are just programs that generate data because they have access to huge databases of it.

[@ehhh2547]

@@momentary_ that will never happen haha

[@HercadosP]

Why do you want to stop people who can't sing or play an instrument from making good music through AI? If they can make good music, good for them!

[@EDM-Jigger]

Is it me or does a lot of the A. I. Vocal sound like something you've already heard before??? I'm getting that vibe a lot.

[@devononair]

As long as it's trained on existing music, that will always happen. At least in that, humans have a clear and obvious advantage.

[@pokepress]

Also, your brain is kind of hard wired to look for those kinds of connections.

[@EDM-Jigger]

@@pokepress It's not hard wired to look for similarities. It's hard. wired to find predictability. There's a big difference. One is you're listening and you can fill the next note. Come by. The other one is you're looking for something that's already existed. And that would make it very complicated. Turn. producers of all genres to come up with new and intivating sounds. Then.

[@onesong2001]

@@devononair some do, but did you ever hear Status Quo play?

[@peterparker5161]

Because modern music is lazy af

[@gidgetboggs1656]

"Bridge Over Troubled Water" is a beautiful song without any context. But it has so much extra meaning and layers if you know the history. You're listening to a song about being unquestioningly present for a loved one, with lyrics written by a man during a time when he felt he was being undervalued and abandoned by a friend who was supposed to be building something important together. Then the vocals are sung by that very friend who was doing the perceived abandoning, literally taking Paul Simon's voice away and getting applause for it. Powerful stuff. Music gets it's longevity from the human stories we connect to it, whether those are the personal stories of the listener or the stories of the writers. Hell, look at Fleatwood Mac's whole Rumors album, lol I don't think real art will be as impacted as we think, but a lot of filler pop will certainly suffer. I mostly feel bad for up and commers who were already dealing with a digitally saturated market being even more lost in the sauce than before.

[@aspenlog7484]

i agree in general but i enjoy listening to 99% of my music without knowing its history and specifically my favorite songs aren't really art so much as it is good music.

[@cryptowl4533]

I think that many good songs can be AI, but the best will be human because of the way it can connect to humans. Some people like the music because of where it comes from, rather than if it is actually good.

[@carpo719]

❤

[@InDeathWeLove]

I know barely anything and often nothing about over 90% of the music I listen to. Not about the story that lead to the song itself nor the story of the artist(s) behind it. This particular reasoning would barely have any influence on my enjoyment on listening to a song by humans over AI.

[@seanrobinson6407]

"49th Street Bridge" song is another one that people don't get. Paul Simon was walking and looking at a bridge and a lamp post with flowers at the base of it. He was looking for fun and feeling groovy, so he wrote a song about it. Interesting when one knows the history.

[@Flying_fisher]

As a pilot I constantly worry about automation taking my career. Never did I think that basically every other job would be under attack before mine lol, we're so fucked.

[@Pedroramossss]

Don't worry. You're not gonna be replaced any soon

[@BrawlArena]

Honestly I thought AI would fly planes first too.

[@JohnSmith-hv6ks]

Auto pilot has been a thing for a long time. Landing and take off meanwhile is still important

[@BrawlArena]

@@JohnSmith-hv6ks their carrer is still intact apparently.

[@SpottinPlanesForLife]

​​@@JohnSmith-hv6ksYou have to manually set up the MCDU (flight management computer) to actually get those automated landings and auto pilot in general. Also airbus announced some "dragonfly project" they claim can land the plane by itself by AI, and garmin has a autoland emergency system that uses ai aswell. ​@JohnSmith-hv6ks

[@Fedorevsky]

Music sounded like AI for about a decade before AI

[@futavadumnezo]

Since 2010s that's for sure! Hope this will force the industry to change or bring something refreshing to the table

[@keithlane4705]

So true !

[@EpicVideoGamer7771]

I wouldnt be surprised if there's AI music more listenable than some of the garbage pumped out today

[@franklynanderson]

Predictive programming you say

[@justice4all719]

Artists need a real government in order to protect their rights, but how many real politician for the people is there? 2, maybe 3?

[@lillhogge6369]

I make music. I have spent years learning instruments and playing with other people, to be able to make music. I've watched hours on hours of tutorials and have had classes on how to produce music. How to use an EQ, how to properly compress, how to cut out bad frequencies and create bigger or smaller soundscapes. I have made fun songs, and I have made sad songs. And especially, I have made some really really bad songs. I have also gotten to meet wonderful people, that I have worked with and connected with through music. I rarely release anything, since I mostly make music for myself and my friends/family. But have made funny passion projects with people before, little songs and albums of just us having fun playing around. And I kinda think it sucks that all of these people I know, that have spent so much of their lives studying and working on something they love. Might no longer be needed. But tbf, thats how technology works. "The man made the synth and now who needs a band" some people said, as it could replace most parts of an orchestra or normal band arrangement. And the bands are still around. And so is the orchestras. So hypothetically speaking we might just be fine. Anyway, Im off to start study economics after the summer, so I guess I have to put my passion to the side nevertheless. But damn does it hurt a bit to have spent so much time working on something that just might die out in the end. And to all fellow musicians reading this. Keep up the good work ;)

[@VanillaBean2023]

This is the sanest comment I've read here and your example of the synth feels spot on. Technology has forever been "replacing human jobs" to some extent--horse breeders are not as needed as they were 150 years ago. While technology causes some suffering due to job displacement, it also provides more opportunities. The people that scare me are the ones that call for banning AI. That would have to be so far reaching if it was going to be enforceable at all. BTW I do feel for you feeling like something precious has been taken from you. I just don't think it can be stopped.

[@Atlas65]

😢

[@Benlovescheese]

Yeah that's an amazing comment, and you might be right, I personally don't see the need for a band or artist going down, I just think bands will have their fanbases and they will be loyal, and you might just get less people making it big but more people with loyal fans.

[@_.ks._anime7983]

as a college student studying music I can help but feel genuinely scared for how this might change my whole plans for my future life as a musician. maybe you're right, maybe we will still be around, but the question is will our talent and dedication still be appreciated and treated as amazing, when my best friend can do the same thing by clicking a button and writing a few prompts. all I'm saying is, it hurts little

[@kylespevak6781]

Half of the things you learned are already automated versions of old processes. Same with this

[@simplyepic3258]

I went and played with it a bit and it's scary how decent it is. Like, not good enough to make a masterpiece, but if someone wanted they could definitely generate a song and cover it, fixing any issues in the process, to make it their own.

[@ronanfoote1376]

If I make a song on it can I release it or is that not allowed cause of copyright

[@kylokat]

@@ronanfoote1376 You definately can. Even those "sounds exactly like that song" examples shown in the video that people cherry picked aren't even remotely sufficient to cause any copyright issues.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

UBI universal basic income. We work because we want. Not to Survive

[@hombacom]

@@carkawalakhatulistiwawe wouldn’t we would waste time on social media like this instead

[@21syaf]

and thats the whole point, Ai as a tools not final products

[@julia15206]

its the same in the art community (and in alot of other types of arts as well), like im seeing people posting their super rendered art just to get someone say its ai when its not. it also made me think "whats the point in trying hard" but at the end of the day art is way more than a product, its about the connection of the one who made it and the one who see it. just like you said tho, it gives us this 'aha moment' where we start to look for things that ai cant do and so thats gonna be fun to see whats thats gonna be like ig.

[@SouloxYT]

the problem with AI isn't the whole "what's the whole point of making art still?" because, it's proven in the past with other things. when digital art came, traditional art still prevailed, and etc. the problem with AI is its insane energy consumption, moral and ethical issues, and how it's getting spread in schools and accepted as something we should keep on "waiting to see what happens". it doesn't have enough laws against it yet and we need to actually stop normalizing generative AI for the push for more laws.

[@julia15206]

@@SouloxYT when you say energy i do think i have heard about that how the servers take a lot of power and therefore is bad for the enviroment? yea i do agree about what you said and theres also alot who works with art that might lose their jobs but i think why they dont stop it is because it makes them money and all of the countries are kinda in a race of who will have the best ai or somethig as it can be used as a weapon. if we ban it in only one country thats not gonna stop it.

[@jondepaul2372]

Humans will continue to produce beautifully unique music which will be copied by the AyEye.

[@julia15206]

@@jondepaul2372 yea like we create by observing the world and it creates by then observing us, its always gonna be an uncanny feeling about that.

[@tyronewashington230]

@@jondepaul2372 Humans will continue to make music and tools like AI make them more productive, just like every tool has in the past.

[@CraddyMusic]

I'm glad I've spent half of my life learning music production...

[@selliantuttimusi6735]

You mean you're glad you only spent half of your life instead of your whole life because it's meaningless now?

[@hiiambarney4489]

Time to ask around Indie game Devs, I guess. That's one use case I can't see AI taking over within the next 10 years, because to tailor make songs that fit specific actions and emotions within games is way harder.

[@AlignAGI]

@@hiiambarney4489 It's already being done... many indie game devs are supportive of it as it's cutting costs by a ton.

[@brion_aiota]

@@hiiambarney4489na there will definitely be a way to parameterize and focus with more specificity

[@Danuxsy]

you do it because you love it Craddy, I hope. Even with AI around you can still do that!

[@garibelli]

28:21 can't help but love Joel's intros in the middle of the video lol

[@kallethoren]

Yeah that was weird

[@lography6917]

@@kallethorenhe always does them late

[@kallethoren]

@@lography6917 I see. I haven't watched in a while, thanks for the info

[@DupesDidIt]

That’s what they call a cold open.

[@NielsJulian]

when i heard the "face melting guitar solo". my first reaction as a guitarist was: "there is so much potential to learn from that". My gut feeling feels very intimidated, however i think there is a lot of possibility to grow as a musician from it. AI could show so many unseen and unknown to play a certain riff or a certain solo in the future. i could definitly see how it could be tool to grow from personally. besides this whole argument. i think there will always be a need for people to play music together, or to go to live events with real people playing. maybe this wil grow into a big niché for people that realise the true potential of music. in that is to bring people together. I think a big part of music listeners will feel find a feeling of meaninglessness, those people will find the ways music brings people together.

[@KCM25NJL]

I think this is absolutely the best attitude to AI music. It should be about generating inspiration..... taking that and making a product that people want to go see. I don't wanna go see AI.... i wanna go see what people can do with their material.... however that material came to be.

[@thecardboardsword]

how can you really learn from it though?

[@krunkle5136]

Listen to your gut. Feel intimidated. AI. is. your. enemy.

[@MDTQP-ly6jd]

That Carolina song you played at the start is absolutely outrageous. The inflections in the vocals were so realistic, i was googling trying to find evidence it was a real vocalist. The future is so sickening to think about, but i genuinely enjoyed that song.

[@michael7054]

It's all about lyrical content to me. It did sound really good.

[@Ev3ntHorizon]

I agree. I would love to dig up a link to the actual version generated here

[@MDTQP-ly6jd]

I am able to find it, if i google “Carolina-O Hemingway udio”.

[@MDTQP-ly6jd]

i’m able to find it by googling “carolina-o hemingway udio”

[@MDTQP-ly6jd]

@@Ev3ntHorizon i’m able to find it by searching “carolina-o hemingway udio”

[@loettu]

Btw, please continue making music if you feel like to do so. I‘m sure that there will still be many people who will love to listen to it, both because they like the song and because it‘s you who wrote and performed it.

[@alexzehnmusik]

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[@smavtmb2196]

It's disturbing. Ai will definitely take more jobs then it creates. Especially when robots are included. This will happen in most industries. Who do companies think will buy their crappy products when few people have jobs in the near future.

[@TruthBeToldTP]

But should we use our knowledge in economy, society, and money to jump to that conclusion? Because, think for a moment... People who have resources don't need money, and here lies our mistake, because the only ones who need money are the ones who don't have resources, but billionaires have water, livestock, farms, lands, crops etc 🤷🏾‍♂️ In other words... The economy collapse you're describing won't affect them in any way my friend.

[@actualzelda]

Detroit Become Human predicted this! Turns out they were right.

[@lienalien4399]

What jobs, you are talking like if people in arts where drowning in cash in the past decades :V

[@yuzuki5395]

As someone who is interested in history of art i found very appealing the fact that every piece of art (call it music, visual arts or any other) reflects the life experiences of the author, their personal beliefs, emotions, historical and political context even. There is always a message, a piece of themselves they are trying to communicate with the world, that is so personal yet universally understood and that´s why art resonates with us, it feels just scary to think it could be replaced with AI.

[@brandontadday6288]

But it’s the very reasons you mentioned that make me believe AI art and music won’t replace human-made art and music. Art and music doesn’t exist in a vacuum. They predominantly serve a social function. Without the socio-cultural context, music is just noise and art is just materials. It is the meaning that we collectively imbue upon art and music that makes it valuable.

[@TruthBeToldTP]

​@@brandontadday6288 But based on the current behavior of our society do you really think that art will prevail? Because recent history has shown the contrary. No hate here, but you're romanticizing the fact that our job or skills requires soul and talent, every field (regardless of your opinion) requires that, but people don't give a dime about art, soul and good. Prove me wrong with recent music and its auto-tune-and-empty-lyrics artists 🤷🏾‍♂️ People in general feels empowered because they "can do" what you can with a $25 subscription. They were giving the false impression that they are also creating "art" and they are happy with the results embracing that idea. They don't have a well-trained ear or are infatuated with music like we are. So they don't spot the differences. Even if you and I agree that it's not the same in terms of art and soul these sheeps are going to feel happy with the results 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@mjhollerATme]

​@@brandontadday6288 The problem is, and you can see that throughout the comment section, that people are so dumbed down already, being stuck in their neoliberal fairytale and don't even understand that this ist just another appropriation of the big, pervert and lusty capital.

[@Absbor]

i still remember the day more naturally sounding vocaloids were introduced. (half) a year later ai music got introduced to the mainstream. vocaloids/utau voicebanks were spoken by real people, are used like instruments(just like the ai voices) and thanks to tuning them you can make them sound more natural. now we have these ai voices, which is honestly a vocaloid but in extra steps. every "ai" music has existed before too, they weren't called ai until now tho. (SynthV = Synth Vocaloid) i'm conflicted About using ai. 2 things: 1) it isn't ai but is rather spitting out what you want. like how you train a dog to not shit inside the house. 2) as long as people are fine with being trained on, no problem - but we all know "ai"s were trained without permission. i hope both can exist side by side, because vocaloid has always existed, but seeing how they evolve like this with ai idiots feeling superior, it's a whole cringe festival. i have seen good use of ai music. i can understand the fear of jobs being taken away at the same time. that's why i hink having them side by side is a better solution. but it can end up the same way ai art is facing right now. some people are respectful, but so many are dumb and and just an ugh. the minus brains said "pencil is a slur for ai art artist". another reason why ai art is bad, but mainly bc are sh!t. people have been always the main reason why things are bad. it can be a good thing, if it weren't in the wrong hands nor trained on no-permission people. but _no_ of course not.

[@steve7814]

honestly hopefully it will come back to live shows and community. As we disconnect in general to reconnect to eachother.

[@kr00t0n]

I must admit, when I first heard about song-writing camps that some artists essentially 'shop' from for their songs, I got much more into artists who write their own stuff entirely.

[@carpo719]

It will replace all of the restaurants and workplace music stations they have to pay for, they'll just have custom AI make music for the moment depending on the face scan of the person who's in the room. Creepy

[@AZaqZaqProduction]

One thing I noticed browsing around Suno was that the best songs were the ones that clearly had hand-crafted lyrics. This is an obvious enough statement considering that ChatGPT kind of trash at songwriting. But one thing of note about this, and you can consider this a silver lining, is that these songs with good lyrics were probably made by people who had genuine songwriting talent but maybe didn't have all the other skills required to make a song. Tools like these helping people fill in those gaps and share creations that otherwise just wouldn't exist seems like a good thing to me, and points to a future where AI is a tool to empower human creators rather than replace them.

[@ichtozavuzovsky8370]

I can 100% relate to this, been writing songs for awhile now in a variety of genres but could never conjure up a band of any sort to produce any of them. These tools for the first time gave real life to my creations. It felt cathartic I can't lie. Many of them I've played on guitar but it is only one instrument where to truly bring life to the lyrics I would need many.

[@Briggsian]

It's more likely that the AI made the majority of the lyrics and a human tweaked them to make it better. At the end of the day, if the AI creates the vocals, instrumentals, and 90% of the lyrics, that's not human art.

[@Mopantsu]

@@Briggsian it would be great to be able to upload your own creations and have the AI use it as a reference for creating fully produced works based upon them (even using your own vocals) with enough flexibility to adjust the arrangement and sounds to your own personal requirements. I can see that being the next step.

[@6thwilbury2331]

@@ichtozavuzovsky8370 My brother used to enjoy writing music as a hobby. He's a damn good piano player and a pretty solid trumpet player, but he doesn't play any other instruments. But when MIDI really started to take off in the 1980s, he could hear what his compositions sounded like if he had a drummer or a strings section or a saxophonist or whatever part was missing. Obviously, this takes that process to the next level. I could easily see this being a game-changer for someone who needs a quick commercial jingle or a backing score for a low-budget movie. Hell, the stuff Roomie is playing in this video is already many times better than whatever the hell Tommy Wiseau used for the sex scenes in The Room.

[@breannathompson9094]

I guess what is kinda upsetting about this, if youre familiar with trying to form a band... this makes it worse. It does encourage people to go "solo" and fill in their gaps with AI, instead of perhaps using their social networking or local scenes or university (etc) to find people that could be actually decent reliable members. Like it encourages more unbalanced ratios too, at least for the rock and metal world. I notice a decrease in drummers who actually play acoustic drums, also bassists. Its almost a meme now. Its good that people can access these sounds IF they choose not to network or work with others or cannot. But a lot of folks will default to it since it is easier, ALSO solo = all money to yourself and not another bandmate.

[@bondgirlro]

While other advancements in technology we had so far were more geared towards replacing manual labour, or hard to perform by humans tasks, the AI revolution we are going through right now is so scary because it threatens something we considered to be the most human expression, art, which is what humans always did to express feelings, human experiences, a way to see the world. It is a little scary, even as someone who only consumes art.

[@chinitoreacts]

truly!!!

[@TunaIRL]

Please give me your argument for how AI threatens art, I'm curious to hear.

[@fuwu9904]

@@TunaIRL Art is literally just human expression and communication, what more needs to be said

[@TunaIRL]

​​@@fuwu9904 And how is ai affecting any of that? Will you become a brainless noodle because of ai or what's the argument?

[@bondgirlro]

@@TunaIRL the threat is not that human made art will disappear completely, but a part of the human creativity will be left to the AI, the same as in the industrial revolution when some of the things people were doing were replaced by machines, it had a huge upside, everything became more easily available, cheaper, it allowed the world to progress, but it also made a whole generation of people to need to adapt, which was fine in the end, but those people probably also had doubts and resentment towards the new technology; also a certain quality of the products made by humans before was lost, mostly uniqueness. The industrial revolution turned out to be a huge success for humanity (even with the effect it had on the environment) because it made it easier for us to get basic things we needed. With art it is more complicated, it should probably remain an expression of humanity, and this advancement, while it won’t destroy the creative need people have, it will make it way harder for people who are not top tier to make a living out of it.

[@SelmaAymara]

This whole situation reminds me of the line from the villain in the Incredables: "When everybody's super, no-one will be" It's a tool that allows any talentless person to "make" a song or a painting, taking away the superpower that artists have.

[@muatring]

sounds like a win to me if "making" music becomes accessible to everyone

[@mitzee8621]

We've gone through this before. The existence of tree harvesters don't make being able to cut down a tree with an axe any less impressive. Just less profitable.

[@patrickwehrstein8693]

@@mitzee8621 it's actually not such a bad analogy cause automated tree harvesters aren't a good thing either and pushed mass cutting of sensitive environments often hurting the ecosystem. And it's also insane cause noone is stopping you to pick up an axe and start chopping (I mean you'd still need to own the tree but yeah) Making music or making art in general doesn't have to be democratized, since it already is. Music theory and how to learn x is already all over the internet. If you have any access to it (which granted doesn't everyone have but they don't have access to AI either) you can make music and even upload it. And if you are really good at it you can earn some money too. The last thing doesn't happen often but that's mostly because there is just so much music and it's hard to find something new if you don't search. So in the end all these AI tools allow is that those that actually spent time learning and are pretty good at it or just know what the people like to hear, especially smaller bands, just die out. And I doubt that you can feel the same joy typing a prompt and listening to a song then crafting it over hours and hours and finally hitting the point where you can't help but feel something, bobbing your head or shedding a tear (very much dependent on what you write). And that feeling cannot be shortcut with AI tools. Cause that feeling is the direct reward of your hard work.

[@mitzee8621]

@@patrickwehrstein8693 I'm with you for the most part except the last few sentences. Bands may die out and there may be fewer people making art of any sort, though I think this will primarily be because AI will kill the profitability of art, not art itself. I think there will always be people who program something themselves just for the fun of it, or spend hours trying to craft a song that echoes the right feeling. As you pointed out it is already difficult to sell these things due to the abundance of art (and indeed software libraries). Perhaps AI will become the final straw. After all the hobbyist woodworking community is thriving in this modern age and most will never sell a bit of furniture since it is simply impossible to compete with the industry pricing when working on the small scale at home. I believe and I guess I hope that programming and art will thrive also when the profit motive disappears.

[@starventure]

AI music like AI art, sets free those who can dream but not create from those who can create but have lousy dreams. To speak of artists as having superpowers over the plebs is a major factor in why people think of artists as snobbish elitists who bend over for the rich.

[@Divig]

Really really interesting video! I wonder if a kind of cooperative mode will be available. A human gives a prompt. Like a demo... The AI generates a song and gives not only the finished song, but also the instrument, harmonies, the possibility to export to different music programs The human can edit the melody and adapt the "demo" to something more unique. (Even if AI will be able to do this as well soon)

[@loettu]

I‘m probavly not a classic example of a music consumer, I more or less exlusively listen to music from a hand full of artists/bands i already know every album of, I go to their live concerts and enjoy everything around the artists. I almost never listen to radio or random playlists, so I don‘t really see me change my music consumption habits of listening to my favourit artists:)

[@ybciminlee]

love this type of content, looking forward to more of this

[@DotmatrixAI]

I’ve got a bunch of songs!

[@Rev8691]

“Cause you got baggage, I got room” BRUH why is that such a good line. As a self proclaimed tech guy my whole life, AI and wearable AR/VR are ushering in a new world that I wish didn’t exist.

[@frankjennings4489]

I think that song was written by a person and the vocals and instrumental were AI. It flowed way better than any AI song I’ve seen and there were too many layered meanings in the lyrics.

[@antman7673]

@@frankjennings4489 Have you seen the capability of ChatGPT(or other LLMs)? -When it came released in end of 2022. I made it write a poem about a blue banana. Totally whack idea and it made it work. The language skills of an LLM is way beyond my own. Pretty sure, you can generate better lyrics than any person can come up with or equally good.

[@djtbone001a]

Ready Player One

[@Briggsian]

​@@djtbone001a imagine Ready Player One, except the main character is the only human in the movie and all his "friends" are AI characters in the game he's hopelessy addicted to...

[@BillAnt]

".... I got broom" even better. lol

[@lucasbohlin6799]

As a wise man once said "and when everyone's super ... no one will be"

[@keltkenterbery]

"wise man" huh... 😂

[@TeaspoonLicence]

Sounds alright to me, I despise celebrity culture.

[@WhateverWhenever888]

@@TeaspoonLicencesame

[@Seru_Janai]

If by "Wise man" you mean the inpredibles's villain, yea, quite clever

[@bowwing333]

That's the sale's pitch.

[@sugardarling9946]

use this as a tool to make music. i see it the same way as photoshop, people worried it would kill photography and now its an industry standard tool. if I'm not mistaken, autotune/ melodyne uses ai for vocal correction. the same was said with digital cameras vs traditional film. I love that I can set a demo with my base instructions and bring my work to life.

[@floof7680]

💀

[@GoldmaniaBella]

Future AIs will flood the market and make it even less likely that I, as an indie artist, will ever earn money with my music. But no AI can take away my joy when I write a song and at a certain point in the process everything suddenly fits together and it sounds (more or less) like a song. I LOVE music! ❤🧡💛💚

[@giacomoneri1782]

Exactly. Nor it can take away the fun of playing them. Anyway, i hope this will spark a new interest for small live shows, so indie artists may have a bigger pie to share which they didn't had before anyway, since the market was already flooded with dancers lip synching over some ghost producer uncreative stuff.

[@Anxious_McStabby]

People will always be able to tell the difference. AI will never be able to do more than take the formula and generate an answer. It doesn't think, it doesn't feel, it processes. It will always sound hollow and will never be able to replace, especially live. Who wants to hear a song made or "performed" perfectly every time. I think the biggest thing you need to worry about is the grifters stealing your creations to line their pockets, this stuff will settle into its limitations or go the way of crypto.

[@AiVaultGuy]

all AI creators and their creation will soon have to be labeled so it differentiate from human creators and artists. Then is up to the consumer what he wants to buy, either AI content generated products or Human generated products.

[@Iusedtohavemojo]

You will be making music only for yourself but why not.

[@bidossessi]

​@@Anxious_McStabby the vast majority of people aren't able to tell the difference right now. I don't know where you get your confidence from.

[@sa1ko152]

Off topic, but i really like this more toned-down, mature side of you! Would love to see more of it in future videos

[@toppy83]

I tried out Suno with one of my lyrics, wrote Rock, inspired of Dead By April, my mind is BLOWN. It gave me the ide for the song that was already in the back of my head, but now I heard it out loud, and now inspiration has taken control and a new song with the band is on its way. I see it like a ide, mind bump to give you a little inspiration to make great and catchy song ;)

[@codyquinn8646]

Are you trying to say idea

[@bondgirlro]

I understand you being discouraged by how good this technology has gotten, songwriting will be a challenging thing to be soon. I think that the future of human made music is linked to live performances, where talent and showmanship is still very much needed and appreciated.

[@casandra0]

Then the holograms drop 💀

[@GreyfauxxGaming]

Not only that but even for traditional writers, you can use as a refrence point to brain storm something, than take it and adjust it more fine tunes, same with art. Right now AI art cant really do fine tune detail. You can't use it to make a steady stream of anime/comic because it almost never draw character the same way, asking to altering one thing gives you a whole new picture. I think this will just speed up the process of music for everyone, but live real performances will still be wanted. Look how crazy people been for Taylor Swift. That wont go away anytime soon.

[@Annapolisz]

@@casandra0 My initial thought too 🥲

[@Mikas_Emil]

Soon you will never know if it’s real what is coming out of the singers mouth 😕

[@GreyfauxxGaming]

@@Mikas_Emil Its always been that way, most concerts are done using Studio recordings that are tweaked with Autotune and all sorts crap because ton singers are horrible at it.

[@rebeccatompkins]

It's rather daunting. Auto Tune became not only a tool but a musical instrument in its own right. Time will tell.

[@taiguy53]

The difference with that, is that you didn't have to be a good singer, but you still needed to make a soundtrack to sing or rap over. AI just straight up makes a whole song for you. Artists could probably just use AI to make their beats though, and leave the lyrics to them, but that still leaves less to the imagination.

[@JavedAlam-ce4mu]

@@taiguy53 To be honest I hate autotune so much that I prefer this AI music, which is saying a lot. Not saying that I approve of it, just prefer the sound. It sounds less fake than autotune.

[@onidaaitsubasa4177]

Suno now has 3.5 , and it's amazing, it can generate a song up to 4 minutes long and you can extend it longer. And get the whole song from multiple parts.

[@dvillain4136]

Imagine how i feel. Im studying to become an accountant. My job will be gone by the time i leave college.

[@Ah__ah__ah__ah.]

:(

[@frankjennings4489]

No it won’t dude. Companies aren’t about to entrust the most vital part of their business, their money, to predictive models like this.

[@Ryderman2000]

Then get out and adapt now, avoid sunk cost fallacy if you really believe your job will be redundant by the time you graduate. Easy to say, i know, but just give it some serious thought

[@pupip55]

In quite a few countries have laws against fully automaton, plus you don't need AI for something ridge like maths. your safe.

[@Briggsian]

​@@frankjennings4489 doesn't need to be 100% automated for people to lose jobs. If AI programs can handle even 30% of the work load, then they hire 30% fewer people. If you think that AI isn't going to be used to "optimize" companies and devalue human labor, you're much more optimistic than I am.

[@kateq7212]

The thing about creative humans is that they will still be driven to write poems, stories and draw, paint and create music. The experience of standing in front of a human being playing an instrument and singing songs created from their lived experience will become more valuable. We are at the start of our digital AI journey and we will work it out. The AI is recreating songs from existing samples. It is similar to my English classes when we were asked to write in the style of Shakespeare or Conan Doyle. It isn't reflective of the individual lived experience. This isn't creative it is mimicry. Humans will still want to have a singsong with guitars, ukeles etc at an outside event; watch orchestras at full throttle; enjoy a local band at the pub; and go to concerts to see talent live. Bob Dylan, Queen, Inxs, Eurythmics, Tina Turner: all fantastic experiences.

[@Divig]

The problem with this is not that creative humans will stop making creative things, it is that creative humans will have a much harder time to earn a living. If AI music would cost less to play (on the radio, on Spotify, in shops etc) they will play the AI music.

[@balckbaerd]

i love using AI like suno, i love to write poems/songs but can´t sing or create music, so i use suno to make songs out of them for myself. but i understand the fear of music artists behind it

[@KIKAN_THE_RAT]

You are missing a very crucial part in your theory, some people dont care about instruments, musician and artist. In fact most people dont, wich is why your top 100 spotify is plagued with artist that have never played an instrument in their whole career. This will just create a very polarized view on musicians and make it harder for real talent to be seen in an endless sea of AI songs. Ai is just a product with no personality. But i agree in that you can recreate michael jackson voice but you cannot recreate his charisma on the stage or his motives for doing music, but no artist today will or can and thats just a fact.

[@kateq7212]

@Divig Maybe initially. But watching talent live, listening to people producing music in real time - nothing can beat that. You can buy a cheap print from Dunelm, but a real painting from a local artist is so much better. Being a musician is hard now. It had always been under paid. Producers who "create" fake groups and digital music won't last long. I trust in humans to ultimately prefer human creativity over AI.

[@chinitoreacts]

unless they can make concerts into a VR experience

[@propm]

Music is music, also, some ppl might have an extreme talent for making lyrics, but no talent to make music or sing etc. Idk, I think its natural that AI gonna take over a big part of the music industry, but I think there will always be space for some real artist, as some one is always gonna want a real artist to go to concerts and stuff like that. But AI music is probably the future for music, partially or fully

[@foxblack4722]

that dial-up sound :))) where we've been and where we have reached!

[@Casett]

I am very conflicted about AI in the arts. It is fun and scary. Music can make us feel. Music is a creative outlet for artists. Should I have an emotional connection to music that was created by a machine? I did play with Udio before this video and was able to come up with some interesting songs and I have no understanding of music. I don't want people to lose their jobs but the world changes and there is no going back. Confused, excited and terrified.

[@FormalFilmsProductions]

My thoughts, exactly

[@Atlas65]

This is plain awful. And the people behind this technology are horrible people, which are currently performing a crime against humanity. They are going to suck all life out of culture and society. This is a bleak future we are heading towards.

[@pavelmolchanov7156]

​@@Atlas65of course. But I don't get why everyone assumes it can't be stopped ! It can ! AI learns on open data ! So remove data and it will be stopped!

[@pavelmolchanov7156]

I don't get why everyone assumes it can't be stopped ! It can ! AI learns on open data ! So remove data and it will be stopped!

[@Casett]

@@pavelmolchanov7156 So you are saying remove the internet? Unlikely.

[@michaelsmith1380]

Live music will hopefully become more popular with people wanting to part of a performance

[@heydude7568]

you mean like the eagles????

[@ElectroBOOM]

I should train this AI with my voice and make me a singer! Dang I just tried it and I can use it to generate no copyrighted background music for my videos! Maybe I should read the terms of service first...

[@dianjonker]

@ElectroBOOM We got AI to write, then to draw, and now it can sing. Soon, it'll be able to electrocute itself for entertainment as well. You might be able to automate your entire channel :) Please don't. I'm sure most of us prefer the traditional ways of organic electric misconduct.

[@JamesP7]

As long as you aren’t using the songs for monetary gain (assuming you’re a free user), you’re free to use it as background music.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

⁠​⁠@@dianjonkersome people already automate numerous channels… hooray…

[@disuko]

pay for a license to use music by actual artists, or use one of the COUNTLESS peices of non copyrighted music available online for free. this AI is solving a problem that doesn't exist

[@jasonball9677]

if you get the subscription you can use it for commercial purposes love you videos medhi

[@HazelAster]

As a person with writing and music as my passion, I feel like my talent is not as precious anymore when anything can be generated by a Robot

[@gugy8708]

First time? U get use to it.

[@BadenTheGreat]

Maybe it isn’t as precious 🤔

[@TallicaMan1986]

Well get over yourself.

[@taniadiamond6393]

I relate totally as a musician myself..but I don't think u mentioned it right..its not SO abt "the talent" AS the PASSION(FEELING etc) that we can put in our music as an individual person/artist that NO AI can replace it...imho😊😊❤❤

[@moamber1]

In Shakespeare's time, the value of that talent was even lower, because everyone could play an instrument. It's not about your talent to play. It's about your talent to cause emotional connection between your message and your listener. How you are doing it - is irrelevant.

[@9mmhobbes]

all music we make these days is ones and zeroes. we were always going to have to deal with this, BUT one thing i've done, is used it as a jump-off point for songs i want to write on my own if i have writers block. a lot of people think it's just easy to do, but if you want a quality piece, it takes awhile to get it right.

[@maudjito]

The point about photography is better compared to portraits, who used to be painted by painters.

[@metricstormtrooper]

Which used

[@JavedAlam-ce4mu]

That wasn't the point that was made, it was about the introduction of cameras in smart phones and how that democratised photography, not about the original camera.

[@maudjito]

@@JavedAlam-ce4mu Both good points then.

[@PremiereGal]

Great video Roomie! I think the key here is that whatever music is used in the Ai's learning model, the creators of that music must "opt-in" for ai learning. Very much how Adobe Firefly models of the Adobe Stock library, all contibuters to Adobe Stock must opt-in in order to sell on Adobe.

[@orangearts-desgs5614]

Trained partly on midjourney images? 😂

[@PremiereGal]

@@orangearts-desgs5614I guess unless you developed the tools or read the model research white paper details, its hard to know!

[@orangearts-desgs5614]

@@PremiereGal Yes, that's true. I don't really know what to believe.

[@bacappellawith2p2ll48]

It reminds me of the changes studio musicians, bands, orchestras etc had to experience when they were replaced by audio libraries... But I'm pretty sure live music will always have its own value.

[@BederikStorm]

AI in generation needs human input (to train on). It can't go way beyond as it generates in the same domain. So, creativity will still be very important. It just fights with people who themselves produce derivative music.

[@Briggsian]

We've all learned from those who came before us. We are a social species that has thrived through our sharing of knowledge through generations. Every thought that you, I, or anyone else has ever had has been influenced by the thoughts expressed by others. Generative AI is just a, for now, rudimentary facsimile of our derivative creativity.

[@MrZoomah]

Well... that human input to train on is the thing that can kill it. There is so much poorly made AI content flooding KZbin and other parts of the internet that we'll eventually have majority made AI content. What happens when you go to make another dataset and end up feeding all that AI content into your training model? And then you output more and refeed it back into the model... What happens is it becomes very generic and same same. They showed with AI art that the more you feed it in the more something will look the same. Get a lot of pictures of elephants, create pictures of elephants and then refeed it back in and eventually most of the elephants are facing the same direction, with the same pose, in the same landscape.

[@Danuxsy]

but that's the vast majority of people lol

[@BederikStorm]

@@MrZoomah exactly. That's why I'm saying that AI can only outperform generic musical artists. It can't be genius yet

[@zach9169]

spend a year or more generating a truly unique style which is much easier said than done, and as soon as it is published it will be sucked up into AI models. If it becomes popular, copies will be reproduced and flood the market, drowning out your own personal artistic voice. Your time investment and ability to profit from your own creativity is then greatly reduced.

[@KingKrouch]

I think that AI generated music is fun to play around with as a way to get inspiration or to shitpost (like that 1940's sounding song about Superglue), but I can definitely see a bunch of ethical and copyright concerns with passing off generated content as your own work.

[@Boris-Vasiliev]

There is Creative Commons license, which means alot of content can be used by community for free as long as its author is mentioned somehow in credits. So its possible to train AI models without breaking copyright restrictions.

[@Strepite]

This seems unstoppable. The AI is the same as human inspired by song, style and influenced when creating it’s own work. That’s not copyright

[@beantreats]

@@Strepite yeah but a human remembers the feel and sound of different songs they've heard, maybe some specific melodies, not the entire thing front to back including all of the metadata lol, this is more than human

[@monkeyabout1297]

​@@Boris-Vasilievbut can you copyright a Ai song. No, only human creators can get a copyright.

[@Strepite]

@@beantreats Yeah but it’s not blatant copyright infrigement. The AI analyzed music just as a musician analyze other songs. Only yeah, it’s much more powerful than human in that aspect

[@LadybugMug]

Many people have mass produced, cheap art in their homes. But good, original art that has been hand made has become more valuable. But it does have to be really good or stand out in some way to be recognized as valuable. I think music will be the same. Quality will need to go up, but living musicians will become more valuable.

[@sweetparriz]

I feel so bad rn. I used the Suno AI to just add a melody to theme song lyrics I kinda had sitting around in my head for a bit, and because I’m TERRIBLE, and I mean ABYSMAL at trying to come up with melodies, I just tried to see what the AI could come up with so that I could kinda come up with ideas. But the AI ended up creating the literal DEFINITION of what I was thinking of the whole time, the melody was perfect. But I’m so on the edge if I should just take the melody the AI made for me, repurpose it into my own, (such as playing actual instruments and in general tweaking it to my liking) and call it a day but it also feels so wrong…No matter how much I tweak it and physically play the melody with my own hands, at the end of the day I didn’t create the melody AT ALL, a machine did. It would feel so wrong and distasteful to “release it” (for context it’s a theme song for a project I’m making rn) and be like, “yea guys I did the lyrics and tweaked the melody but AI made it lolllll 🤪🤪!!” Like, there’s people who GENUINELY pour their heart and soul into making melodies and probably take a while even trying to come up with them, meanwhile someone like me, who has 0 EXPERIENCE/ knowledge in making music can just easily have a melody generated for me in 10 seconds? Idk man…I don’t know if I should RESTART and try coming up with my own melody which will probably never reach resolution due to prior evidence of me being terrible at making songs, or just use the AI’s melody…I need opinions from musicians, do you guys think this is ethical?

[@sweetparriz]

And listen I understand, I’m an artist who draws. I personally don’t feel the AI art threat that much since I’m not going to pursue that career path, but I could understand how scary it is to see your only source of income to be taken away by a ROBOT with no life. This is also why I’ve been hesitant because I’m literally someone part of this “field” of creativity. (In terms of art.)

[@WilloWat]

I appreciate that you have a conscience. Since the melody isn’t yours, it’s unwise to monetize it. I write this as a musician who has really, really wanted to use certain samples in my own songs but who could not because I couldn’t clear them (the original artists had terms that felt too restrictive or the sample cost too much) and so went on with my life and eventually created other stuff that I love just as much if not more. There is tech that allows you to record melodies with your voice or anything else and can turn these into various instruments. This means that, just by humming, you could create an entire orchestral score. I think what you’re encountering is more a mental block-a self-fulfilling belief that you cannot do something without relying too much on tech. Try listening to songs you like and harmonizing or jamming to them. Try this with songs that are increasingly sparse (that seem to invite more layers). You will likely write melodies without thinking about it too much. Just make sure these aren’t too close to the songs to which you are harmonizing. Also, as with visual artists who carry around sketchpads, always have a handheld recorder handy. I wake up all the time at night to record song ideas.

[@GodSkul]

I think it is absolutely ethical to use the melody to make your song. I don't know what the future holds for musicians but for now this is a brand new tool and it would be silly to not use it while you can.

[@jo_nm9484]

I believe it is ethical, because you approved of the melody's existence and you were the one who decided it fit perfectly with your song. The AI could've written something completely different that you wouldn't have liked. It's essentially browsing samples, or copy/pasting code from the internet into your program to create the final product you wanted.

[@nimhard]

What about musicians who don't write their melodies and use outside writers? 99% of pop artists - Suno and other AIs is just a new way to have outside writers if we think about that - I see no problem at all with this morally speaking - also there are artists who made their names on sampling such as the Beastie Boys and Daft Punk - etc

[@maudjito]

I love this for pre-production. Brainstorming, ideas, chopping and reassembling it all on the DAW as a sketch, to later rerecord it on a studio

[@bosonbreeder]

No need for studio recordings in the upcoming version. We all know how this is going to end.

[@Thealchemyofmusic]

Likewise. You can use it to have a clearer idea of what you actually want to make.

[@axonathan]

except it's using copyrighted music from artists that actually have talent, you're just sampling bro

[@maudjito]

@@bosonbreeder I'd love to be able to generate stems. I guess that's the future. Text generation for audio stems

[@benjamin._.mcalister1698]

@@maudjitobut then what’s the point? This isn’t me starting a fight, I’m just genuinely confused haha. What part of music making do you enjoy if it’s not making the actual music? To clarify, this is about your response to Bosonbreeder not your initial comment

[@theukuleledirectory3900]

The future for musicians is live festivals, concerts and gigs, Who is going to buy a ticket to a concert hall to stare at a speaker box?

[@nathanhaimson]

Look up Vocaloid. They're computer singing softwares with 3D modeled singers that have live shows all the time.

[@MissChristineL]

I love music, musicians and every role that goes into making a song!! Music is amazing ❤ Another amazing thing is watching your favorite artist or band live. Hearing the difference from the studio to the stage. AI can never do that as well as real musicians do. But I do think this can do proper damage to the music industry overall, unfortunately. I hope it won’t though 😊

[@novantha1]

Tbh, I have a sneaking suspicion I understand how they developed Suno, and most contemporary generators of a similar type. I'm pretty sure they're a relatively standard Transformer model, but is simply quite large, trained on a huge amount of music, similar to how LLMs were scaled. I personally don't agree with that strategy, and I'm pretty sure that something like a symbolic AI (classical AI, not trained, but rather defined by the developer) model to determine the progression, and potentially some combination of symbolic / Transformers to determine the rhythm, emphasis, and individual note placements...Possibly with some form of LLM tool use to use existing production tools like quantization (as seen in music production, not LLMs) should be fairly performant, democratic, and not require a lot of training data (notably, not requiring data in the sense of requiring it for the "heart" or "soul", but mostly just needing it to finalize the styling on individual notes. This might be doable with just sample libraries, rather than training on music itself). Music is significantly more mathematic than art, and the structure of music should lend itself much more strongly to AI music generation, at least in my opinion from someone who understands Transformers and music. I do mean this in the sense that it's more suited on a technical level, not in the sense that it's more ethically suited to be generated by AI. So, I don't agree with their technical strategy, but beyond that, is there anything I disagree with in terms of the application itself? Personally, for me, the coolest uses of AI aren't prompting to get a product. For me, the coolest uses of AI are in using it to achieve new things that weren't possible before. One thing I've been kind of interested in is something like a "tracker" as you saw before the 2000s, where you could do a live recording with musicians, but the song could be adapted to the situation (ie: in a game), to shift the tonality such as changing the original recording's chords to a vi -> II instead of a vi -> ii in a more heroic fantasy situation. It's worth noting that with some form of cross attention with a traditional LLM (or even just an Encoder block) the soundtrack could have a very strong semantic understanding of the situation.

[@musicbro8225]

Every single genuine avenue of expression, other than live performance, is being flooded with 'muzak', can't be good.

[@Zysperro]

Meme songs with Suno is so good. Been having a good laugh with my friends bringing back 2007 copypastas to life, LMAO.

[@johnfaber100]

We certainly have come a long way since "Blue Jeans and bloody tears"

[@Tsegoo]

Extremely far😂

[@tenorwithatea4627]

That's still a banger 😂.😊

[@wh0sc4nd1ce]

KEEP CREATING MUSIC! That’s the only way to stop this!

[@PeregrineChurch]

The thing that feels different about the introduction of AI versus the introduction of digital instruments is that even with synthetic instruments, you still had to *IMAGINE* the melody and the song structure. You were still engaged in the act of creating, as in making specific creative decisions to literally create the notes of the song. But now with a text prompt you don't even have to think musically or make any decisions. It doesn't feel like being creative at all.

[@vorrdegard2176]

But the prompt can only generate something thats in the algorithm

[@fabulo19]

Plus, digital/electronic instruments add new layers of potential expression through sound design. Most of the music I make isn't melodically complex, but I can still express a lot just through the infinite ways you can program a synth patch.

[@monomentalmusicgroupllc3163]

No offense to you at all. I'm not correcting you, only adding to what you are saying. That is a nice disposition you have - I respect that. There are indeed some "creative choices" that AI prompters make in the process. Just understand that they are akin to "Make something passionate and really feel good, you know? At a mid tempo. And it's rock, but not too much. Male singer but not too screamy. Ok.... go!" There is no music AI platform that needs you to supply even the basic information that a DJ would need to supply, such as key or tempo. Much less understand what the AI generates for you, or create it in any way that inhabits technical or musical skill. I'm not sure you care to understand, or want to hear, but what a musician, writer, and performer puts into their craft and the release of any new song or music you have ever heard is a bit more focus, dedication and care, and talent than this. This is the idea that a 5 year old child with reasonable spelling... oh wait, never mind, the bot will do that for them too... can garner a hit nearly instantly, and actual music talent that spend literally years of dedication are out of work or scrambling to be "something on youtube" instead. I know that no one cares as long as the beat is thumping. I know.

[@fredlcc9503]

@@monomentalmusicgroupllc3163 The prompt can be likened to the request made by a client or creative director in an agency to an artist. In other terms, the prompt engineer act as a commissionner and the IA as the artiste. Sorry as a French guy, I may not have used the right terms, but I hope you get the point.

[@iminumst7827]

@@vorrdegard2176 That is factually incorrect. Deep learning is not an algorithm or a database. An algorithm is a set of instructions, it cannot learn. AI can generate things that have never been heard before, even if it has similar qualities to things in it's training set. But, this is not very different from humans who learn to make music by listening to other musicians. Less than 1% of human musicians are making unheard sounds and inventing obscure genres. Most of the time, human artists are more derivative than AI, because human artists learn from a much smaller set of music than an AI does.

[@JaiLeeroy]

Turns out I agree with you, at the very least this should encourage human artists to be different. AI can only repackage the information it has been given. Could AI create a 'specific artists sound' before they were popular and apart of it's trained input -- NO!

[@WilloWat]

It will be almost impossible for artists forced to take on other jobs to develop their originality and there will be less incentive to do so since, without protections and regulations, the work one puts into this can be ripped off by AI companies and users in pretty much an instant.

[@kathycooksey8108]

I would be interested in how AI could affect music recommendation. I'm holding onto my Pandora subscription because I enjoy how it plays songs related to the edges of my interests.

[@justtiredthings]

I'm pretty depressed by all of this. Idk what we're going to do for meaning if AI just colonizes everything we love

[@newrealitygaming3933]

You should be afraid. Ai will end everything. Ai is new to the world, so it may destroy it. Who knows it won't? How can we be sure its safe? Ultron taught us Ai is dangerous. Ironman warned us.

[@marian0321]

we must fight it... just be active, stand up and stop being NPC

[@PhantomFidget]

ChatGPT was enough to mess around with, now things be kicking off to questionable territory. * Concerned noises * If this wasn't something that could possibly replace the artist completely, then artists wouldn't be hesistant. It would also be strange to connect with something thats been fed info & generated into automatic creations. Hesitant how this'll progress & affect others if it keeps up. Rather interesting vid to look into, Keep up the great work Mate 🐺 🐾

[@ehhh2547]

furry

[@JamesP7]

@@ehhh2547He’s got two sides: furry wolf and anime boy (Link)

[@Danuxsy]

It's funny that back in the 2010s I remember people were laughing at the idea of AI making art and music, it was literally considered impossible by the vast majority.

[@sarpozdemiroglu]

We respect artists by their creativity, their songwriting skills, excited by their voices, wear their shirts, cry at their shows, discuss their music with friends, defense their awesomeness and fight for them. Where these all go is very depressing because AI can write great songs, exceptional lyrics, sing beautiful voices, come up with production ideas subjectively better than Rick Rubin at a fraction of minutes. And I make these comments not as a professional producer, multi instrumantalist and a mixing engineer, but as a humble fan of music.

[@Slayr.]

They're all so good. Each one makes me smile, even the ones i've tried making so far.

[@whitebread3872]

It’s crazy how fast AI is developing, it’s scary to see as someone who wants to write their own music hopefully there will be a way to keep it from getting out of hand

[@tomhe286]

Its already too late for that

[@Nathan47223]

its over

[@russyJ20]

@@Nathan47223 It was over when streaming started

[@TEYAHOfficial]

AI is meant to be a tool, not a creative. Musicians barely make anything because of streaming, this could F us all over.

[@averageenjoyer3934]

This is scaaary man

[@Naomiskyyy]

I'm glad you informed us about music made by AI fully. I don't blame you for being a little sad/hesitant about making music. I am definitely not the biggest fan of AI in general, never have been because I know the dangers and realities of it, not just when it come to music but with everything in general. AI is going to make more jobs disappear. Sadly, it's inevitable, but we will all have to adjust/deal with it. You're right when you mention AI happening fast because AI has been spoken about at my job. Others worry about AI as well. I will always appreciate the music made by real people and real instruments. I hope you still decide to make music, follow your passion and use your talent🙂

[@Kharizmah]

I love it! There are so many song writers out there whose music IDs never heard. As an introvert song writer, I thoroughly enjoy hearing my lyrics come to life with the musical ensemble I could never personally gather. It’s h hard to find the music I want to hear out there. It’s either good lyrics and bad music or vice versa. I’m tired of hearing what the industry wants us to hear. Music with no depth and full of sexual innuendos. Gets redundant.

[@Action2me]

There is already a tsunami of music coming out every day even without AI.

[@justsomejk]

I don't want to listen to a generic music made by robots. Part of the reasons why music is touching or relatable is the fact that there is a real human thought, experiences and memories behind it. To me part of the reason why some songs are so impressive is that I'm in awe of someone's amazing vocals or skills in playing instruments or that the lyrics are so touching/relatable/clever. When it comes to art, I still want to hear and see what all humans can create with their own personality, intelligence, emotions, hands, vocals chords etc. AI can't experience life and therefore can't have real memories and those are the things that gives the soul to the art. I also still want to see live concerts with living breathing artists, so that's something AI can't replace. I hope that the geniuses creating AI would use their efforts and energy to solve problems in this world rather than trying to completely replace human connection from the art. I mean it is a great tool for music making to a certain extent, but what is the point in totally replacing musicians. And in my opinion there should be some payment given for the artist whose voice has been used to make a model. It feels like it's kinda like stealing part of someone's identity idk... I hope u won't stop making music, I already got excited when u said that u want to make more music this year ❤️😊. And btw none of those two AI generated "so selfish" songs came even close to the original, which is so much more original and better! I hope AI makes musicians become more innovative as u mentioned and that artists won't give up. It would be nice if there was a way of knowing if the music is made by humans, 'cos that's what I will choose to listen. Sorry for the long comment 😅

[@CraddyMusic]

Just in a few months, you won't be able to tell which is human and which is a robot. (It's really over for us)

[@justsomejk]

@@CraddyMusic You might be right about that and it is really sad. At the moment I feel like AI voice doesn't have as much emotion in it and the lyrics seem quite generic and everything kinda sounds a bit like something u have heard before or like some famous artist... but yeah that technology moves so fast that maybe they are able to catch up on those too. I hope that the laws and such would move faster and that there would be a way to regulate the use of AI or at least some way of knowing what is human and what is AI. Probably wishful thinking... But at least the AI "artist" won't be able to perform live. Not that every current musician wants to or has a chance to do live concerts... But still, to me it is really important knowing that the song is made by human, otherwise the story feels empty in a way. So in the future it's probably more important to search for the information about the artist...that it actually exists..

[@TunaIRL]

​​@@CraddyMusic If what you do has no other value than creating sounds for people to hear then unfortunately you aren't doing much as it is. Actual artists do so much more than just create. They think. They think of ways they can communicate an idea or thought or a way of being to people through their medium. An artist does not need to fear being replaced because they're not valued for what they do but who they are and what they have to say about the world. It might simply be the case that you have nothing to say. "Why should people care?" Is the question an artist needs to answer for themselves. If you think AI can replace artists then you truly do not have any idea what it means to be one. All you need to ask is how many tickets to a concert will an AI song sell? Right now, why should people care about what you make? What questions does your work ask? What does it answer? Why is it important? An ai song can never answer those questions. People have no reason to care about ai songs. Unless there's an artist behind the ai creating meaning for them. An artist could see the infinite potential in criticizing AI and everything around it. Communicate the bad things, show the emotions you can bring to people personally. Or is all you want to create simply sounds that you hope people will like while you compete with ai in doing that? I know which one I'm picking.

[@CraddyMusic]

@@TunaIRL I'm glad you guys are this hopeful but any artist's "Magic" can be fed to the AI and replicate it. Of course, the large labels are safe because they gatekeep their business with lawyers, etc but pretty much every up-and-coming producer/artist is fucked to the core. Sites are gonna be flooded with AI-generated music so they can exploit it for money. Any nonmusician will be able to generate professional music, artwork, and even videos to promote it. Live shows? Soon, you won't be able to tell that their music was AI-generated.

[@TunaIRL]

@@CraddyMusic I have to assume you did not read what I wrote. I'll ask a more simple question. How many tickets to a concert do you think an ai can sell? Can it interact with the people there? Can it create personal connections? Moments with people? There's a lot more to being an artist than creating music or painting paintings. You not knowing this might indicate the fact that you aren't an artist in any meaningful way. I'd love to hear how the ai algorithm recreates ticket sales for sure. Again, simply because you are fucked, does not mean people who have something to say will be. If I ask you why should people care about your music, what will you answer?

[@AlbertoLopez-mn8ms]

You sir have now sent me on a wild rabbithole on this site that I had no idea existed. This stuff is WILD

[@TechWeLove]

Now people can actually get lyrics and songs they actually want, and are not fed music they have no choice but to like.

[@TheMasterOfTheFrets]

I like using this suff to bounce ideas off of. Helps to get the ball rolling

[@RaineSternOfficial]

Sounds like you don’t create art from an authentic place and a spiritual/emotional place but from a “I’d like to make something but have nothing to talk about or anything actually inspiring me. Let me steal from a robot who stole from people who actually do write music and make art from an authentic place. I don’t have beliefs or anger or love that can inspire me on its own.” Live, feel, then come back and create. Don’t “create” for the sake of creating. That’s whack af.

[@TheMasterOfTheFrets]

​@RaineSternOfficial sounds like some vapid sophistry. I disgree with almost all of that

[@RaineSternOfficial]

@@TheMasterOfTheFrets I don’t believe that you are lacking the emotional capacity to create art - but you don’t and shouldn’t need a robot to make it for you. Get inspiration organically. I do, and it’s damn good every time. I’ve never needed to be derivative. So yes, I take issue with your approach and always will. I find it lazy and likely the source of unimportant work. If you’re truly so inspired that you *must* make art like an artist, then you’re not searching for it. It comes naturally. There’s plenty of fuckery and beauty to write about - look out, and look in. Vapid? Scoff. I’ll go listen to your music, we can compare notes. I wouldn’t *like* me if I were you after reading this ^ but if you saw me perform, listened to my art, randomly met me out and about, I’m down to earth, helpful, empathetic, and damn good at what I do. So yes, I have strong opinions and I’ve earned them countless times.

[@TheMasterOfTheFrets]

@@RaineSternOfficial you've never had the technology nor the precendence of its use either. So, maybe give it a shot and compare. It's really fun

[@l_______I]

Still playing around with them a bit, but with smart prompting, I feel like you have more control with Suno, especially with less common genres/hybrid genres which udio's been seeming to struggle a lot with.

[@רפאל-ב]

13:32 I hate these arguments, "it's just a tool", "people were always scared by tools" etc (Not a perfect analogy but) This is like saying a cable car is a tool for climbing and that people were also mad about ropes and harnesses. Both lead to the same place, one might do it even better. but if you rode a cable car could you really say you climbed?

[@BadenTheGreat]

The person who rides the cable car has a much higher chance of reaching the top than the climber does. There is much less risk to the person in the car. The climber hates the car because it invalidates their effort. Neither will have a greater reward at the end, but the climber would need to put much more effort and take much more risk that the person who easily rides the car to the top. So I guess the question is: Does the journey matter if the end result is the same?

[@רפאל-ב]

@@BadenTheGreat I would say the journey does matter It also matters why you're going up, if someone is looking for the health benefits, dexterity and muscle aspect of climbing, a cable car would do nothing for that But nothing wrong with taking the cable car for fun imo, just don't claim you climbed

[@BadenTheGreat]

@@רפאל-ב if we take the analogy to the music scene though, does it matter more that the artist spent a lot of their life working on improving their music, and had struggles and victories, or does it matter more that the songs they make sound good?

[@רפאל-ב]

@@BadenTheGreat hmm that's a good question, I suppose it would matter mostly to the climbing artist At surface level I think there wouldn't be much difference for some that's all they need but I personally would find the climber's story more intriguing (especially when you listen to multiple climbers vs multiple riders) Either way I don't think the riders can see they climbed P.S. sometimes the journey or climber do matter, for example "own you" isn't necessarily the type of song I'd listen to, but having seen the video of the journey leading to it (+ already being familiar with the climber) I love the song

[@WilloWat]

@@רפאל-ב Except the person asking this question is ignoring the fact that AI “songs" cannot sound good without the artists who spent their lives working on improving their music and had struggles and maybe some victories. AI "art" is literally dependent on original human artists yet merely exploits us, and that is why, yes, these artists, their struggles, and their victories matter.

[@nekoshey]

Man, with new tech that has known drawbacks, I always try to remind myself about the cool stuff about it instead - but when it comes to AI, no matter how hard I try the concept just makes me feel really... Empty. All art has an underlying human connection to it. It's why we can feel strong emotions when looking at cave paintings our ancestors made. It's not that the stick drawings themselves are particularly impressive or stirring to our modern aesthetics; it's knowing that some other human was there, all the way back then, leaving a small part of themselves behind to say to everyone else 'this. this is a thought I had. I exist.'. If we take that away, I think we're just warping another part of the human experience to be more lonely and isolating than it was before - and that's pretty sad. I just hope humans can adapt to it in a way that eases the burden of those feelings.

[@Brandon82967]

it's a tool that enables people to make more art. i wouldn't feel sad about Photoshop just because it means people paint less

[@moastray5093]

Humams arent special, if something has been touch by a human or not it dosent mean anithing

[@lookwhosinsideagain3489]

​@@Brandon82967 it's hardly a tool. It's like saying you're the cook when you order custom food in a restaurant. The art is delivered to you. This erases the artist.

[@lookwhosinsideagain3489]

​@@moastray5093 it does mean a lot to humans. Maybe if you're a spider on a wall you don't care that it's been painted by someone a 1000 years ago. Humans care and it's important for us.

[@moastray5093]

@@lookwhosinsideagain3489 for some humans you mean because im human as well and i dont mind if is created by a human or not Is lile tour phone: you only want the phone and you are not interested in how it was crafted and/or who crafted

[@Dr.UldenWascht]

Honestly, this made me more interested in music in general. And I can totally understand the worries, however, the level of control both AIs provide so far lean way more on the side of entertainment than commercial viability. It's fun to play around with prompts, but professional requests tend to be way more specific. But yeah, the cat's out of the bag and the effect on small musicians is undeniable.

[@רפאל-ב]

33:33 *Very* much so! It's like the difference between a random post with a motivational quote and an actual person you know motivating you I think a big part of why people are ok with it now is because we're in a transitional era

[@SkyKin]

AI Music 👀..... Concerning territory yet, I do comprehend why some would want to use it. If only there was some type of balance where it doesn't completely replace the artists & their hardwork. It'll be interesting to dive into. Danke for the vid, Hope everyone is doing well. Keep It Up Bro 🤖 🎶 😎 👊

[@StarshipCaptainNemo]

This is not replacing artists. This is augmenting the way artists are able to create, democratizing art. Previously people who had an imagination but no means to express themselves are now able to express themselves. And artists who were able before have now a lot more leverage to express themselves. This is NOT a threat. This is the future.

[@Sageoftheforest7]

How can you have a musical imagination if you can't sing or play an instrument? How do you produce an original or interesting melody without any form of training? You don't. You have the illusion of imagination, but you're just repeating what you've heard. Originality comes from basic efforts to produce something on your own.

[@dangerliesbeforeyou]

the idea that the arts need to be 'democratised' is so bizarre to me tbh... like, fundamentally they already ARE democratised! humans have been making music, regardless of wealth or education/skill level since the dawn of time (think of folk songs, sea shanties, hymns, etc)! I really don't believe this technology is about 'giving everyone the opportunity to make music' because that literally already exists! this whole thing is honestly just so frustrating as a creative person and a lover of the arts in general...

[@jpage94gaming]

I did read a comment yesterday that kind of seemed like a good argument and it's very specific to this person but I personally thought it was valid. Long story short they said that in their older years, arthritis has basically stopped them from being about to make music but this technology has allowed them to use that creativity in some way again. I think 1 thing they could do is not allow the AI to generate the lyrics at least so you still have to use your own creativity for that.

[@dangerliesbeforeyou]

@@jpage94gaming No disrespect to you or that person (I totally understand how debilitating arthritis is) but that is an awful argument for generative AI to be used in music... Having arthritis doesn't stop you from being able to create music, and I'm sure there are plenty of musicians with arthritis that have found other ways to create music that doesn't hurt their joints! (for e.g. singing!) There's also software that has existed for literally years that allows people to create music with a few clicks lol Also I'm sorry but I really can't see a world where any creative person could feel fulfilled by typing words into a generator rather than actively creating the thing themselves...

[@T13Nemo]

One thing that I cannot fully comprehend is how AI model that learns on all music is copyright infringement, but me, growing up listening thousands of hours of music and then writing my own is not? There are hundreds of songs in top charts that have similar melodies to one another.

[@lacunae2784]

For me this is really not the same. I see two fundamental differences. First is treatment capacity (no human can possibly learn on as much music as AI does). Second is that you actually listened to those songs, which is how artists get recognized ; AI does not listen, it just computes data, and gives the artists zero recognition.

[@T13Nemo]

​@@lacunae2784 we even remotely don't understand how the human brain works and there is a debate wherever free will actually exists. To this extent, we cannot really say how exactly we give "recognition." Also, some can argue that AI model recognizes music by scoring it, adding classifications. Some songs get more weight in the model. True, engineers still tune models to their liking to receive "pleasant" sound, but transformers decide how to tear apart content, where to store it and which sound combinations to prefer when making music.

[@illyaeater]

cuz 1 is done by a person duh the only thing that matters is whether HUMANS were involved not the evil terminator thieves

[@lacunae2784]

@@T13Nemo I meant recognition as in contributing to the artist’s success (sometimes financial well-being too, though not always). When you listen to music, appreciate it and even get inspired by it (as long as it’s inspiration and not plagiarism) it is the intended pupose that the music was created for. When AI companies scrape music to be converted into patterns by a model, without crediting or compensating the artist, and even with the objective of replacing them, it does not respect the intented purpose. The music is not appreciated, just used like a raw material. (This is a bit of a tangent, but I tend not to pay attention to the elucubrations about free will from neuroscientists. Complex systems (like our brains) have emerging properties (properties present in the system as a whole but not in its individual parts). Conscience is an emerging property. Some neuroscientists tend to obsess about the parts and forget the bigger picture, and get deluded thinking they are the only ones qualified to talk about the human mind. In my opinion, our understanding of free will and its limits is way better advanced by the fields of sociology, psychology, or philosophy.)

[@Gnarrkhaz]

Some people argue that humans have their own voice and style when writing music even while imitating others, while AI does not. It can only work with what it's fed, which would make AI generated stuff not original.

[@christophers6163]

Let me put a few things in perspective…simply put human beings don’t like change so we will typically rebel, bargain, adjust then accept: - when digital instruments started to be introduced as early as the 70s. - CDs being introduced in the 80s/90s and the ability to burn songs onto blanks - 00s with file sharing (Limewire, Kazaa) - 10s with music blogs and KZbin undermining radio stations and cable tv shows like TRL and 106 and Park - and as of today, in the 20s, AI music The reality is this…the technology is going to continue to get better and better everyday and as musicians, instead of scoffing it and being boomer about it (ie “it’s not real music”), finding ways to use it in YOUR music career. Because at the end of the day, it’s going to get to a point where you can show someone an AI song and they aren’t gonna know it’s AI unless you tell them. It’s a cool piece of technology and I’m personally open to seeing how to use it in the future.

[@paultapping9510]

It'll die off as quickly as the image generators did. While it is genuinely fascinating, what people like about music and art more broadly is that people did it. I suspect these generative tools will continue to improve, and will be integrated into production toolchains, but I very highly doubt that they will be as apocalyptic as people worry about.

[@njf11-]

That's what I'm saying. Nobody's ever going to consciously seek out AI generated art unless they're doing it for the purpose of seeing what art made by a machine looks like. So far, I've literally never seen anything generated by an AI that has been talked about as art rather than technology. Even with AI bros, it's always "look how competent this AI painting is" and never "Wow, this AI art is impressive from an artistic standpoint, the AI really used an interesting technique!" People ultimately like art because of what they can see behind it, and knowing that it was generated by a machine kind of takes away some of the fun of interpreting art, because ultimately, the AI didn't have a deeper meaning it was trying to convey. It was just doing what it was told.

[@Cocowater7]

Ai generated songs sound so bland

[@xheir]

Not true

[@paultapping9510]

@@xheir well, I'm entirely convinced by that stunningly well thought-out argument. How could I have been so naive!

[@40krocks21]

I think you may be underselling how good AI is and will become. The point is people already DONT know the the difference between real and AI generated content. None of these models are perfect, but they will get 10x better in just a few years. I agree that there will always be wants for human made products, but there will be a LOT of people that either A) don’t care whether it’s made by a human or not (in the case of music, there will be songs so unbelievably curated to a single individual that it will top human made songs. And B) people will not be able to distinguish what is AI. Online content, news, music, movies, TV will ALL have more and more completely AI content, and these industries have just began to adopt these. This is just the beginning of large language models/AI

[@Naomiskyyy]

Thank you for informing us!

[@esmooth919]

27:38 Roomie, the short answer is HELL YEAH! Don't let anything stop you from your passions and your creative outlet. God gave you these gifts for a reason! Use them! And that goes for all of you musicians, be ye aspiring or professional.

[@GoodOldGamer]

Pretty sure suno's getting a big boost in traffic today, lol.

[@JeromeBanaay]

I don't know whats real anymore, we are becoming more and more reliant on AI.