The All New 2025 Bosch Performance Line CX Gen 5 | EMBN First Ride

[@embn]

What do you think of the new Bosch CX? Are you riding anywhere fun this week?

[@PerfodDk]

Compare with the old one ,, seems like nothing new here

[@camtrollope3621]

Nevermind the updated motor, tell us more about that new? Merida! And are Merida now using Bosch?

[@MrMooStone]

What Merida were you riding and what is the battery size itself 630wh or 750wh? As they got two different types of E-bikes on their website. Thank you.

[@deusexvelo]

Rode Bump Track in Cairns Australia on the previous gen. 18 per cent for 2km nice linear power but very audible. Welcome the quieter motor.

[@Wingnut65]

Industry standard motor mounts needs to become a thing or adaptors to make things fit. 👍 Still happy with my Gen 4 for now though.

[@Emtbtoday]

Rob Rides video goes into alot more detail with the new sensors, battery new cells bigger 800w and kilo lighter than 750w good to see bosch sticking with what they know works and reliable

[@vashon100]

Reliable except in water.

[@Bengy22]

On thing I care about is a head to head with the DJI Avinox

[@ashcritchley1836]

@Bengy22 This is a bit of a flop for bosch... Dji will win with ease.

[@stianjarnass]

Please don't support Chinese war chest 👏

[@TCK71]

100% Everything else now just looks a bit shit.

[@LlenadeMalo]

Bosch was not ready for ZF and DJI motors. This would have been a Gen 5 had those not come out. Since they did this barely looks like a tiny iteration. Now less rattle and 100g reduction in weight. Wow. 😂 This looks like an iteration a company does when you have a monopoly in the market. They got caught with their pants down.

[@adriannash755]

Having ridden both, all that power on those trails.... it's not all as it seems..... But watch this space

[@williamm3548]

The new CX is overall better than DJI, keep in mind the DJI starts at 7000€ and has zero Dealers/longevity data. People love complaining, Bosch managed to improve an already pretty good motor and making it even better and enjoyable. Also 85nm is more than enough for 99% of people. Also you can get Bosch cx at 3000€ vs DJI starting 7000€

[@dansadventures5514]

To everyone comparing against DJI, I have the current gen Bosch CX. I've had days climbing 5,000 feet of elevation and was never limited by 85 NM of torque. In fact, the only limitation is tire grip and being able to shift my balance forward enough to prevent me from falling backwards on a steep incline while still keeping sufficient weight on the back tire to maintain grip. I'm always in EMTB mode for that natural feel as Turbo mode is too powerful taking me for a ride versus feeling like I'm doing the riding. The new Bosch motor being a bit lighter, smaller, and more importantly quieter sounds like a perfect fit for my next emtb especially with the proven Bosch reliability.

[@Raumance]

My bike is a lot weaker but somenhow that is a good thing... This is an absolute company bot comment. No real person can make these conclusions. Bosch knows they dropped the ball with DJI coming out so apparently they are now hiring commentors. No one would ever say "proven Bosch reliability". It's not a phenomenally reliable motor. Bosch motors do break. Friend has his 3rd CX in 2 years now and it's not functioning correctly as new...

[@dansadventures5514]

Haha, so now I'm a bot or paid commenter 😂 Making a decision based on torque numbers above 85 NM is meaningless for me especially comparing with a Bosch motor. For me, smooth power delivery, battery life, noise, and proven reliability are more important factors. If you're running low on torque on a 85 NM Bosch motor then you must be in the wrong gear or haven't actually ridden a Bosch EMTB.

[@Raumance]

@@dansadventures5514 I own a Bosch CX bike... You could say what you are saying about any bike... It's so brain dead. Like between Powerplay and Bosch there is a massive difference in power. But Bosch does have the best software choices for power delivery with instant power and overrun. And Bosch has a better power curve than any of the competitors excluding Powerplay. But comparing to Avinox you can't compete with any of the existing motors the power difference is just too wast.

[@dansadventures5514]

@@Raumance So according to you, I'm a bot and also a paid commenter and also brain dead because I change gears to keep the cadence going 🤨. Perhaps changing gears is a complicated phenomenon for you.

[@vashon100]

I agree with CX performance but my expectation after all the awareness of water issues with all motors is to hear of more durable seals and and effort towards waterproofing (this does not include submersion).

[@siriosstar4789]

it's incredible how people make assumptions about something they don't even own . There is a HUGE distinction between direct real world experience and written information . the comments that claim DJi is going to take over the market based on specs alone is a clear indication of just how effective hyped up marking is where 🐑 are concerned .

[@adamlevy8461]

Merida with bosch? New bike for merida?

[@AndrewReynolds1]

Is its water sealing any better than the previous model?

[@bradsanders6954]

Electric motors dont go in the water, no seal can keep water out for long. Very small molecules get past seals and can take silt with it. Dont ride in water.

[@williamm3548]

People love complaining, Bosch managed to improve an already pretty good motor and making it even better and enjoyable. Also 85nm is more than enough for 99% of people. Also you can get Bosch cx at 3000€ vs DJI starting 7000€. Also DJI has zero dealer support. Good luck if a problem happens ...

[@e_mtb]

I agree with the good support network of bosch, but DJI is also starting to build it up now and there are many shops, that are interested, because of the huge demand, so we will see how widespread it will become (the have accounced to start in Germany, so here are the first shops listed on their website). But on the other hand, the dealers cannot help most of the times anyway with the electric stuff, they simply replace the problematic parts and this is something everyone can do quite quickly, if he has not two left hands. So I wouldn't see it as the biggest problem, as long as DJI is able to deliver spare parts quickly and unproblematic to the customers when problems occur.

[@raketoped663]

Hmmm, Gentlemen, i have the feeling that Bosch is a main channel sponsor. After being surprisingly honest with the DJI avinox test, this seems quite like an apologie. I agree that the Avinox is a shock to the industry, but please advise best, not best paid. - Still entertaining, so thank you :) (pls excuse my bad english)

[@racocook6449]

Steve's natural narrative born of experience and long association with mtb's has been something to rely on, honest, informative even inquisitive! This presentation is a departure, could it be AI scripted ? More, Is it the real Steve ? Nope it must be an AI doppelganger !

[@MYMOUNTAIN_122]

As a current bosch owner have to say im not impressed by this half assed effort, same motor as the Gen 4, just less noise, which I didnt care about and if you can hear that rattle then your going to too f888en slow. What they should have released was at least 100nm and peak power 900-950watts and made the motor smaller alittle more compact.

[@Emtbtoday]

The new Purion 400 is really made an improvement in design aswell

[@deusexvelo]

Excellent editing!

[@johngreason9964]

Right. So what do we really have here. Other than the decoupling mech for downhill rattle, all other "updates" could've been made via software. But wait. Bosch, more notably bike brands, couldn't force obsolescence on the CX4 this way and supporting frames that use them. Forcing your market to purchase 2025 year model bikes. Sleazy move. We, your consumer, wanted serviceability. Parts. Spares. Compatibility. Adding value in what we paid for already, adding value in your product. Which is lightweight. Paper weight considering the upcoming competitors. One final word. Bosch, that's bold and a dangerous game to play with your current consumers, considering the competition that has let out of the box.

[@sacavi84]

waterproof resistance has improved for this new generation ?

[@trolleyboy1000]

No mention or acknowledgement how poor the Gen4 quality and waterproofing was. Not bothered about more power. I want my motor to last a winter and be serviceable with affordable, available parts.

[@JonathanTyas]

Can see the parts being impossible to get for the gen 4 shortly now. ​@@trolleyboy1000

[@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v]

If they have really increased durability that is great! All the brand should be doing that not because there bad but, because they could be better. Also make them like other parts of your bike that you can maintain, repack,service or replace. Another words make the parts, service kits, tools and replacement motors readily available.

[@MonsterdonMTB]

Is there any upgrade path from the previous battery and motors? Can I swap the Gen 4 motor for this one and/or bump it up from 750wh to 800wh or is it another case of planned obsolescence in e-bikes?

[@SB-dv8ih]

No it’s got different mounting points

[@MonsterdonMTB]

@@SB-dv8ih planned obsolescence it is 👎

[@bradsanders6954]

@@MonsterdonMTB Seems like every year, is another non relatable model. All new, scrap the older model. Buy new.

[@omahamtb6580]

​@@MonsterdonMTBI get what you're saying but this time I approve of the new mounting system. My Gen 4 inner motor mounts come loose about once a month even WITH locktite. It's super annoying to have to drop the motor to tighten these bolts. The new "thru axle" type mounts are a welcome change.

[@mosescerodosnocity6387]

I love my gen4 😊

[@JustEnjoyingWheels]

Will the new motor fit on the same footprint as the old motor? Standard mounts would be very desirable!

[@e_mtb]

Nope, it does not fit, the mounting points are different

[@JustEnjoyingWheels]

@@e_mtb do you know this for a fact? Or is it opinion?

[@JustEnjoyingWheels]

I did a bit of reading, looks like it may fit in place of the gen4 on many bikes which would make good business sense and I'm glad because it extends the life of many ebikes.

[@e_mtb]

@@JustEnjoyingWheels I read several reports and watched some videos and the overall tenor was that they don't fit. The new motor has just two mounting points, the old one has three, they seem also be positioned slightly different. It might fit in bikes, that are using the Bosch > SX < motor (not CX), because one brand (m1 sportstechnik) is offering the same bike with two motor options, but I am not absolutely sure about it. But the CX4 will not the replaceable with the new CX, you will not be able to buy it directly anywere, it's the common bosch policy, that only brands have access to these motors and these brands want to sell new bikes, they don't want you to update your old bike. They justify it with legal reasons, because the motor is an elemental part of the bike and the product would lose it's registration if you change it afterwards, every single bike would need to run through a whole new checking procedure and the effort would be enormous, so they say, nope, not possible, you need to buy a new bike (which of course also makes them more money, so they are not too sad about it)

[@davefreeman9347]

Nope they are definitely different Fact, same mounting on their SX motor

[@kickin123]

People crowning the DJI the winner/king already with precisely zero medium term reliability data, to say nothing of long term reliability... I love DjI's specs but if the system is in the shop after 6 months then i dont care how powerful it is...

[@sd5458]

Motors are almost approaching parity. Those things you've mentioned for example my in house Ramblas motor has had for a year now. I'm not discounting Bosch, but I am discounting your viewpoint of making app / motor synergy is something other manufacturers haven't already figured out. Oh yah - they make their own bikes too. Not so much. Bosch has a hard time even waterproofing their motors. Where's their UL certification? I rest my case.

[@Nomads_Rowing]

Hi Steve - all good improvements to hear (well, hopefully hearing less of the Bosch historic noises!), but that’s is sunny, dusty Italy. The big test is surviving the great British climate and have Bosch with the new CX made any strides in ability to avoid water ingress as that seems to be missing from this review. Having spent the last four days in the Forest of Dean, with extremes of torrential rain through to dry sunny days (who would have thought!!), that will be the biggest test of any new motor 😎

[@jokermtb]

hill hold is a curious feature.......I can see that being handy in a pinch.

[@neilelliston]

Instead of a limiter they should drop the power to 25% or what ever feels natural. Derestriction is what the people want!

[@djm8027]

If I was offered the choice of my deristricted Levo with half the power vs full power restricted I would take the half power option, there's no comparison and it feels like it should.

[@stevengoodwin3154]

Nice scar on that brand new crank arm. ✌

[@sterpumihai]

brand new = crank arm on a demo bike which has been already in use since 1-2 months now (sent to various reviewers)

[@The_Rumpo_K1d]

Rattle free downhill and lighter are the biggest pluses for me.

[@stuka78]

Check weight by yourself, remove the motor and put it on a scale. Do it for the RAcE one for example. Don’t trust them blindfolded with numbers…

[@NBSTL68]

Thanks for getting the Gen 5 update out so quickly! You said it, "kind of knows" how steep the slope is....Does it have some sort of gradient sensor like I think you said the DJI motor has in one of your other videos? ...I am wondering if the 2025 Canyon Strive:On will have the Gen 5!0. (I wanted to buy one after your review but they are off the site now.)

[@stanolauko]

THEY say it´s best balance, THEY say it has low heat generation... Don´t tell as what BOSCH says, that´s just marketing BS, tell us what YOU say, what did YOU find out? Is it a best balance or THEY just can not catch with Avinox? Does it have low heat generation?? Put your hand on the motor after 10 minutes of climbing and tell us how hot it is and if you felt some lower performance ! This is info we need, not just a another ad !!

[@e_mtb]

About the heat management, velomotion has done a lab test in their latest video, from min 16:00 you can see the results, it has indeed been improved in comparison to cx4 (you probably need to switch on the automatic translated subtitles, the video is in german), we don't have any numbers from avinox so far, but they will test it soon, so we will have real numbers to compare

[@stanolauko]

@@e_mtb Thanks, I know also german so I´m going to take a look :)

[@bradsanders6954]

Its a paid advertisement . Pretty much covers it all.

[@vashon100]

3:15 Durability check? How about water proofing so it is built for purpose? Oh I forgot this is a sales pitch not a review.

[@Bengy22]

Still only 85nm and 600w peak, .3kg heavier than the dji, batteries are also heaver than the dji for the same capacity. No mention of a increased charge wattage either to compete with dji. Also no IP water rating vs dji's IP68 rating. Super disappointed with this release.

[@ashcritchley1836]

The only question is reliability if dji had proven reliability pair that with the pinion gearbox and that's a dream build. Very disappointing from bosch

[@Scomelbasses]

The Dji and the Pinion MGU are both unproven at this time, the Dji isn’t even available yet.

[@Simon-ls8xf]

I have 12.000 km on my Bosch cx4 and my friend has 30 f***ING thousands kilometres on his, believe it or not. So I'll choose Bosch over everything every single time. For driving around hills 85 nm and peak power of 600w is more then enough. And water IP haha you boy , omg i have driven this machine through so many storms i cant count and with no problems.. It s my daily machine to get to work every single day, years after years. Bosch 4ever.

[@tmstriveon]

​@@Simon-ls8xf it depends a lot on the trails used... 10.000km, would mean: 5 new rear wheel, 2 new front wheels, over 15 pairs of tires, 5 transmissions, about 10 suspension overhauls... just saying!

[@ThomasChaplin-f5r]

And Bosch has proven to be trustworthy with parts for over 10 years for older engines and batteries. Does DJI have that too? It’s all about customer experience. Not that on paper it’s better.

[@larrygermano]

Let's see the Valeo motor comparison

[@MrMooStone]

Steve you say that the Bosch motor of 600wh and 85nm is quiet how quiet would it be? Just as i had a 2021/22 KTM 2973 Kopoho full suspension Ebike and the motor wasn't at all quiet. And it was so loud it was noticeable on rides compared to friends E-bikes at the time. And mine kept snapping chains due to it having so much torque in any mode it was in. (Also to point out & to know that it wasn't connected to any of the Bosch apps due to the Pruion LCD display screen being out dated)

[@billybennett4203]

Are they going to be compatible with older Bosch equipped bikes? That’s my issue with motor manufacturers. Bike is still good but you might want to upgrade motor. It’s not just Bosch same with new Brose motor.

[@davefreeman9347]

Nope different mounts

[@noControl556]

While it's something I can improve via gear selection, an issue I have on my eMTB is being able to stand up and petal on short flat sections or upslopes on otherwise long descents, not enough to want to raise the dropper and be back on the seat, but when standing there isn't enough resistance and I can of just flop down because the motor helps too much, I don't have the most expensive eMTB, so does the better electronics help with this or should I just click it up a couple of geras going into it?

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

Is it totally waterproof.. and can it handle 7 months of UK wet cruddy weather? 🤷

[@witu123]

But if I have last gen cx motor can I replace it with new one? This is important to me as a customer to be able to change motor not a bike.

[@e_mtb]

It's not in the interest of the bike companies and since bosch is a business partner, it will not do anything to harm their sales. So no, it's not possible to update, they want you to buy a new bike, if you want to use the new motor

[@graysquirreltreeservice7299]

Nothing special, definitely better

[@ampa666]

Will it be possbile to swap the motor with previous generations?

[@pablojmcglynn2863]

Unfortunately not

[@billybigdinners]

So what is the difference between this and the current Bosch CX Line, other than weight?

[@e_mtb]

No rattle when going downhill, slighly quieter when under power and (at least according to bosch) a better sensoric, which reacts quicker to the user input. It's nice, but no reason to update, if you are satisfied with your CX4 so far, and of course, bikes with CX4 will become very cheap now, so you can make a nice bargain

[@billybigdinners]

@e_mtb I'm still on the Gen3 CX line, which works perfectly well for me. I'm gonna hold out at least until the 2nd gen of the Pinion MGU comes out, imo that's gonna be the future of emtb's

[@Sesulak]

ANT+, BLE Connectivity with external devices (Garmin, Wahoo...)? At least unlock powermeter data!

[@graysquirreltreeservice7299]

Love this channel

[@mehukatti123]

DJI will remain niche if major manufacturers won't adopt it.

[@trevormatt6663]

Dead in the water now DJ about!

[@rickmoz]

The video on KZbin from a few months ago saying why Merida chose to use the EP801 motor hasn’t aged well with you using a Merida prototype. How is next specialized ;)

[@bikeman1408]

Is the protection of acres still bad?

[@vashon100]

acres of land?

[@tamasstrezi]

I wish you'd had the balls to compare to DJI :/

[@CopperCityPatriot]

Electric motor manufacturers, seem to be making the wealthy riders, very happy. The cost is not achievable for daily riders such as me. Nope. I gotta rely on Bafang, Panasonic, and third party brands. The brands, there is never any KZbin reviews of. Vexing.

[@PerfodDk]

This sounds like the Bosch Performance CX 2023 motor,,,, not any big update in this one. 100 gram lighter ,, ill just take a piss and i am 300 gram lighter

[@vashon100]

A dump is the best bang for the buck.

[@stuka78]

Market is in deep sh*t with high level of inventory; now, thanks to this selfish and arrogant move, all the CX gen.IV bikes will be even more discounted, obsolete and will keep space in warehouses and shops. Exit from the crisis postponed…

[@duncanicook]

WTF.. how does altitude affect electric motors...Dr Bosch?

[@oettam20]

DJI thanks very much Bosch company for the help 😂😂😂

[@mariusklokie8478]

Not impressed

[@Emtbtoday]

Robbs videos better

[@vashon100]

But he wheelied every 2 minutes LOL

[@Petrolhead912]

Waterproof (Britain proof) ??? I’ll wait

[@stianjarnass]

It's sad with all the complaints about 85nm. My Shimano E8000 has honestly more than enough 👏👏. Silence and durability is much more important

[@MatthiasMatzeBrandt]

Still no ANT+ LEV.

[@TCK71]

DJI Amflow just took a huge crap on this.

[@b45her]

give it a year and no one will remember what an amflow is, theres more to it than big numbers and paid for reviews, remember when the tq 120 was going to be the king, with all the same faces praising it to the moon... turned out to be total dogshit.

[@SB-dv8ih]

800wh battery ?

[@fudganuld]

Blah Blah Blah..Is it any better than DJI's.....well ,then what the point....

[@davinci69]

Theyre saying its more intuitive and has better efficiency and durability

[@LlenadeMalo]

@@davinci69 They have to say something when they are living in the past. They can’t say they got owned by a newcomer.

[@davinci69]

@@LlenadeMalo and they think nobody needs more than 85nm 600w

[@steves365]

3:39 scratch time.. 😮

[@stuka78]

Stop comparing any new motor to DJI or Pinion… both have still to deliver the promise they have made! Come back in 5 years

[@adrianrogers6976]

No new controllers or screens, disappointing.

[@pjewk]

Dji ftw

[@TheSometimeAfter]

Honestly there seems to be minimal effort here

[@vashon100]

All he is told to do is wheelie a bunch and repeat a sales pitch.

[@ninjabadger1]

Hope it's water resistance is better all the others are awfull

[@JonathanTyas]

Frustrating the mountings and even battery packs have changed, just moved gen4 closer to being out of support.

[@KeithElliott-v3w]

Grant Path

[@Emtbtoday]

New 800w battery new cells and a kilo lighter with 50w more

[@Klugscheisser-td6nb]

400g lighter

[@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v]

So when when did Yamaha make there first Ebike motor?

[@stuka78]

1993, 31 yrs ago

[@dixie600mhz]

I'm done with Bosch. Just waiting on mainstream bikes to get the DJI motor. Bosch seems like people making ebike motors that don't ride ebikes. No backwards compatibility simply means that it's time to switch to DJI.

[@marcopaganotto9125]

Bahhh to the flow app, ruining my derestriction efforts...

[@bookerdesigns7295]

Zero critical appraisal. Just another EMBN paid advert

[@islandaerial3414]

Wasn't Yamaha the 'first'? They claim to be Yeah, I'm on my 5th Gen 2 Bosch DU and it is about to fail and, Bosch is dragging their feet regarding a warranty claim Bosch = Junk

[@fudganuld]

Any of you out there considering spending Thousands of pounds on an ebike,and DON'T consider DJI's new AMFLOW...then you are all fools....simple...!! Every one of those ebikes on sale now,will be out of date the day you purchase them.....Think about that!!

[@TCK71]

100%

[@Nugemart]

Why do they change the footprint, people now have to buy a new bike to upgrade the motor, this industry is a joke….

[@fernandosanchez7307]

For those mourning for Chinese dji, and their nm, I recomend getting their bafangs or all those… I also recomend their Chinese byd, I’ll stick with my poor and underpowered Porsche

[@vwgtiron]

No

[@tomas71717]

Bosch fell asleep. Dji is a much better and more powerful engine.

[@sterpumihai]

this isn't on any emtb at the moment yet you say it's more powerful

[@e_mtb]

It's more powerful, it's a fact, every tester can confirm it and DJI probabably does not lie about the official numbers, it will be easy to test in a laboratory and some magazines will surely do it (velomotion is taking them into the lab usually). But of course power is not everything, DJI needs to prove itself also reliable to become a real competitor, that's were bosch could still take a lead

[@nonegone7170]

@@e_mtb Still less powerful than a cheap bafang.

[@e_mtb]

Yes, but that's not a reason because they cannot keep up with bafang, it's because of legal restrictions. 250 watt of power on average is the maximum that is allowed for ebikes/pedelecs in most countries, otherwise it's no longer classified as a bicycle and you are not allowed to use it on public roads or inside the forest

[@sterpumihai]

@@e_mtb you also need to consider the limited availability of the new dji motor; currently only on the "amflow pl" e-bikes and amflow is a company with a wide experience since.. 2023. even if the motor is top notch (and I doubt that, you need at least 2-3 of revisions as you learn from practice what goes wrong with a particular motor design), the integration might not be ideal.

[@PerfodDk]

Every review here sounds like its paid by the manufacture... Every motor get a great review here... really dont get it. not a trustfull channel anymore..

[@Bcking7872]

Can I have it please

[@sterpumihai]

yes, give me your e-mail address so I can send the bike