THE AMERICAN SEMI LONGBOW (ASL) - Traditional Archery

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[@Targetteer1]

I must say this is one of the very best archery vids on the tube. I enjoyed it greatly , it is a very relaxing and informative vid with NO loud distracting music and clear easy to understand conversations. I love traditional archery of all kinds and am more at home with a recurve but always am anxious to learn more. Thanks for a great vid!

[@Volstandigkeit]

The opening theme music is freaking amazing!

[@fintonmainz7845]

Normally i hate long introductions but this is a work of art.

[@jackpollard969]

Started watching this video and had to stop because it motivated me to finish the self bow I had started a while ago. Minus the wrist slapping I can't believe how much more fun this old hickory stick is compared to my recurves. Literally puts a smile on my face every time I shoot it and now I can finish this video with more of an understanding.

[@bruce6341]

Oh well, that's the house work not getting done for another hour while this gets watched!!

[@DMacInthewoods]

I too am a strut seat fan! I have used it mostly for rifle hunting but I have toyed around with it a little with my bows.

[@Burboss]

Dedication to one type of a bow is the vital thing. It does not really matter what type of a bow you use as long this is THE only type you put your time into.

[@roevskagg]

It depends though. If you want to become a versatile archer, trying different bows and techniques is kind of vital. =)

[@davescommonplacebook9374]

You have made a beautiful film here. You really caught the spirit of traditional archery. I appreciate your work and will share this.

[@longbo2771]

Excellent film, thanks

[@fishhunter348]

Thanks very much for putting such a good video together, and what's more it's free!

[@bentpolski]

GREAT Video Men! I thoroughly enjoyed it!

[@gunshyarchery]

Lots of knowledge in one video right there.

[@douglaswm]

That was great. Thank you. Very informative, while also very relaxed. I felt like I was hanging out with those guys.

[@tradlab1859]

A Masterpiece in the Timber. Well done Gents

[@sammorrow1004]

That wonderful acoustic guitar entro sets a good tone, that's lot of cool info., all together you all a class act. Nice job.

[@larsblankenfjell9814]

Im a Longbow shooter, I started way to late in my life, but My start was a Longbow, and still is. Ive been into a lot of investigations when it comes to arrow tests, weights,FOCs,Tapering arrows, spines, size of Feathers, turned or straight. Tested River Cane shafts, but got stuck on Bamboo shafts, which I still use today. Used Wooden Arrows for 8 years, but my last 2 years its only Bamboo. Bought a Grand Plains Longbow, and its really fantastic to shoot with, now Im into my 3rd Grand Plains bow 45lbs, and its so soft to use, no shakes in the bowhand, and very quiet to use. 6 months ago I went from shooting glove, with split finger, to 3 under using a tab, I had som issues in the beginning, but I didn't gave up, and now I have improved my shooting a lot, including a new bow, from spilt finger to 3 under, I also went into Gap shooting, and it works fantastic, on targets or 3D. My favorite is to shoot 3D. Im not a Hunter, but shooting 3D is really my thing. Tested Recurve bows, but it doesn't feel natural, so I stayed with the Longbows now for 10 years. Making my own arrows, not bows yet, but I really LOVE the Longbows!!! And there is constantly new things to learn.

[@TheCpnhgnlngct]

Now I want an ASL like never before. Great work fellas. Finished video turned out amazing.

[@stykmanarchery9526]

Thanks, Matt. Tim really is a Wiz and the best at what he does. The Push made this come alive, and we are so grateful. Ps, It makes me want to get a few more as well 🤣

[@caseysmith544]

Just do not get the SAS Pioner, that bow is one where grip has to be 100% on same spot for the individual or 90% of people get massive hand shock. If you do get the SAS Pioner, then redo the grip it comes with as this moves too much and do mark a spot on grip or do not have the new grip lower then where the last finger sits on the bow. This way the bow can have a repeatable 95% the same grip that should be close enough to correct the main issue with the bow model. The Bear Montana is probably one of the better bows on the smaller size of 64 inches as the ASL ranges from 64---72 inches usually with only a few at 64 inches, the shortest the bows can be for men in 3D target. I have seen some 60 inch longbows, mainly kids/beginner all fiberglass models like the SAS Robinhood 30--35 pound model. The Bear models of Firebird 30--35 pound and Titian a 22--29 pound are more reflex deflex as the Robhinhood is minor reflex deflex, more to a classic longbow.

[@msev5713]

I’m not the best shooter consistently with one, but man; the ASL is by far the most fun.

[@chrisjohnson38]

Thanks guy's, enjoyed this immensely, great to here the different perspectives from each archer, I've been a lover of ASL's since my youth when I purchased a ML10 from Martin archery, I've owned and shot just about every style of bow there is but always gravitate back to the longbow.

[@VersatileHunter]

Surprised not to see any of the old guys that are still around that knew Hill and Schulz being interviewed or included in a film dedicated to the Hill style bow. Also was expecting to hear more history about the design and use. Maybe a part 2 in the future?

[@boxertechnical]

In before the plaid mafia shows up 😉 enjoyed this a lot, keep it coming!

[@littlelongshot73]

Plaid Media has arrived ! So good to see some some straight stick love ! The Aussie guy is the best looking … jus’ sayin😂😂😂

[@boxertechnical]

@@littlelongshot73 sure but even I’d look good thrown in with that bunch!

[@williamhart8087]

Excellent information! Thank you for sharing your experiences. Hope to see more like this in the future.

[@slalomnorth]

That Ben Maher has a nice way of talkin’

[@littlelongshot73]

😅 thanks mate

[@geogemini8528]

Great video! I'm always trying to learn more about traditional archery. I have been shooting my Deerseeker 54" longbow for a couple years now. It's pretty inexpensive but I really like it. I have yet to find a deer with it, but you guys gave me some great tips! Thanks for the video!

[@etiennelawrence2589]

Awesome film, thank you very much for putting this together. I started archery with an ASL, and these remain my favorites, after having tried compound, ILF recurve, etc. Now if I could scrounge enough dough for a nice reverse-grip Northern Mist...

[@diy-hyrum9842]

This is the first time I've heard someone talk about the double anchor, the same as I've always naturally done. The middle finger+corner of mouth and the thumb knuckle in the back corner of the jaw. I shoot a 72" ASL. 32" draw is not fun. Everything has to be custom made because nobody makes looking enough arrows, bows, etc.

[@caseysmith544]

The double anchor is more a locking style anchor or locking anchor then 2 totally different parts type of anchor that work together the way using a clicker or the arrow at the front. I used this when I am struggling to get a repeatable draw with my standard anchor in split finger with top finger at the cartilage before the ear canal (24--24.5 inch draw this way with minor bent arm) is I will use the thumb to lock behind the jaw if need be.

[@kellypeterson5771]

Hi Ben, glad to meet you in person.

[@jimmypowell1283]

Lights a fire for me to get back into archery. Thanks

[@woodsmansfinest3814]

So good!

[@nickfairchild2118]

Great video! It would be awesome to sit around a fire and cut it up with you guys and share experiences!

[@richmerlo2769]

That was definitely an awesome video of the ASL , I had Northern Mist longbows Steve Turay build me a Whisper which is a reverse handle , and I absolutely love shooting it , It becomes an extension of your hand once you get used to it . I really appreciate this video , and the information you have disscued , it's really cool to hear archers of your caliber talking about and sharing your experiences of this fine longbow , thanks for everything and I'm looking forward to more videos.

[@caseysmith544]

Yeah, if I had to use a straight handle design, I would look at a forward handle with a smaller depth for my hand size as those bows tend to have less torquing then a standard straight grip, however I love the notched with flat front as with my small hands I can shoot most bows with an ever so slightly loose but full grip, the way these bows were made to be gripped with the bonus of the easy to repeat grip.

[@australianbushcraftandhunt6123]

Great vid as always. Funny you made it. I’ve just decided to hang up my recurves etc. I’ll just be shooting my home made asl for the next little while. As I want to put an animal down with a bow I made. They are a lot fun to shoot that’s for sure. And as said. They give a lot of feedback.

[@PennNative]

very enjoyable video. I used to shoot these style bows years ago. I very much loved them. but these guys are right in that. If you dont shoot these bows regularly and be very dedicated they can make you frustrated. When i was really into these and shot everyday. they will become an extension of your body. And its very odd but man do they shoot right where you look. But you take a break. and its like starting all over again. I struggled with the fact that im not very strong and had to shoot low poundages. That made it tough to use for me mentally. cause i didn’t have the power or cast that those shooting heavier draw weights did. and that what eventually lead me away from these bows.

[@bowhuntingsoul2149]

Outstanding

[@kellypeterson5771]

Hi Paul, just started watching this video but when you introduced yourself I needed to mention that I'm from Du Quoin and new to S IL. Only been here a couple years. Thanks

[@paulmchargue]

DuQuion is a great town, not to far from me. That’s actually where I shot my first ASL

[@kellypeterson5771]

@@paulmchargue Yes, I know-go thru Herrin a lot. I shot my first ASL in Idaho that my best friend made. Still have/own 4 of his ASL's as well as some others.

[@fintonmainz7845]

The English are obsessed with the term "longbow" thinking it only refers to English war bow used by the Normans. Excellent video. Thank you.

[@caseysmith544]

True, I have an old all fiberglass ASL/flat limb longbow that is duel sided called the Actionbow by Actionrod 8200a 60 inch or 152.5 cm at 36 pounds that I draw to 34--35 pounds at my draw of 24--25.5 inches or 61--62.24 cm, a longbow made anywhere from 1961 to end of 1979, and it is a unique bow in that one it was a micro backset when new, but the limb tips took on a micro string follow due to the bow being all fiberglass so bow now has almost 2--3 degree reflex deflex bow design that you have to really look at to tell espically since this bow the limbs are set in middle of the hand grip, not at front or back like most ASL/flat limb longbows are made. This bow is fun to shoot being it is a more point to shoot bow then my other OEELINE Airobow 56 inch Recurve I draw to almost the same weight of 35--37 pounds despite it being a 45 pound bow at 28 inches due to my short draw length that is more a bow I need to work more on aim then to work on getting the draw right though both are important with the recurve, just aiming seems to be the bigger thing with the recurve as hands kind of just fit into the Bear Grizzly like grip going as close as I can to a full flat handle grip on this bow. True most ASL/flat limb longbows are made to be 66--72 inches but some can be 63--65 inches long too, one Bear makes called the Montana a 64 inch based off the old ASL/flat limb longbow called the Yukon that Bear made at one point or another two by Grayvn archery, Bushman and the Snake bow are 64 inch bows too. Some ASL/flat limb longbows are 60--62 inch bows mainly for either short draw like me (24--24.5 inches) or for young teens but they go smaller too for younger kids.

[@arnaulpujol8439]

Muy bueno esos longbow a mi y a mi amigo nos gustan esos arcos para el blanco o para la caza somos de Argentina muy bueno un abrazo

[@stevedriscoll2539]

Nice video. Lots of good info. I haven't shot this type of bow. I shoot rd longbow, recurve, and my own osage orange self bows.

[@arnaulpujol8439]

Yo y mi amigo hacemos arqueria y nos gusta tirar con longbow lastima que aca en Argentina no hay negicios de arqueria como alla aca no hay negocios de arqueria muy escaso y los que pocos hay no hay arcos para eligir no hay nada solo lo podes conceguir por encargo y te puede tardar como un año o meses largos no es como alla pero si hay personas que les gusta mucho y lo hace pero no hay negocios de arqueria nada que ver como haya nada y si uno quiere un repuesto te lo cobran fortuna porque aca no hay negocios de arqueria les mando un abrazo muy buena explicacion saludos a todos de Bs As

[@offthearrowshelf]

What a great video and on my favourite bow type. Thanks guys for recording this. Across the pond we call these American Flatbows and I fell in love shooting these styles of bows pretty much from the first time I picked one up 10 to 15 years ago. I shoot recurves for coaching sessions, but the bows I go to for fun, for me are flatbows. I can hit a target with my recurve and I go yeah great. I hit with a flatbow and I feel it. I have to focus and work but it feels so good when I make a shot with it. I shot wooden arrows with feather fletchings all year round. 4.5 inch fletch with a 460 grain total arrow weight from my competition 45lb Black Brooke Sigma Neo C. (C is for carbon) Arrows come off 171 FPS I've shared this from my Facebook page for my followers 🙂

[@stykmanarchery9526]

Couldn't agree with the statement about hitting a target with a recurve vs a longbow. Its sooooo much more rewarding to me as well. Shoot straight, man! 🤙

[@dragonsage6909]

Howdy from Canada! Great episode thank you! The budding Bowyer on yt.. :)

[@travisreges2531]

Nice work guys awesome video

[@ericdore2260]

great video guys 🏹🏹🏹just curious what brand and model of chair you use to hunt on the ground. just try to find one like this. thanks 🤟🤟🤟

[@MikeCable-hl4gx]

An hour I’ll never get back, thanks for the info that’s been out there for years. Where does this cheesy music come from for every KZbinrs videos? It’s a cry for help someone stop 🛑 the madness!!!

[@poison-kp8sn]

Great video! Would love to see a bowyer design a short ASL one day similar to a Indian plains bow and “push” the envelope of design to 52” or under. Similar to a shrew but with Hill style features.

[@HondoTrailside]

That won't happen, unless one wanted a very short draw length. ASLs basically use length to deal with the draw length to bow length design issue. They are designed to come to a hard stop. They shouldn't stack, but they are firmer at full draw that most other bows. It is one of their super powers. It is the basis of their forgiveness. Ron LaClair, who designed the Shrew bows, was a devoted ASL shooter. I have one of his ASLs, and it is just as long as anyone else's. The D/R bows he designed short, are basically recurves, but with a flex point near the handle. Basically the opposite mechanism, to an ASL. You can get a guy to buy a new bow by offering him a 28 incher, while he currently shoots a 32" bow. It becomes a must have. Meanwhile someone is harvesting just as much game with a 72" bow. Up here in Canada where gun rules are different, you have guys obsessed with 8" barrels on their 308s. Hey great idea! Meanwhile the pro in the African bush has a bolt action with a 25" barrel. Choose the toys one wants, but the shortness thing is well past rational.

[@theabhorrentchef7226]

Im all about short bows. I was hoping the “semi longbow” part of ASL meant it was gone be fairly short lol. Im strictly a stalker though so there’s just no way to have fun creeping around with something 64+” I’ve got a 56” recurve that is sweet as hell but I could use something even shorter especially for early season when the woods are thick. I’ve got a Bear super mag 48” on the way. We’ll see if I can properly accurate with that thing within two months and it’ll be my Hunter this year

[@ArcheryGeek]

I want to get into ASL, how long do I have to wait after growing the beard before I can start? 😊 Such a great video, good job to everyone involved!

[@stykmanarchery9526]

It's actually reversed. Holding an asl will grow your beard 200% faster

[@caseysmith544]

Howard Hill probably one of the best known ASL/flat limb bow shooters just had the Moustache.

[@littlelongshot73]

@@caseysmith544 but Swinehart often had epic beard

[@caseysmith544]

@@johnkeszei5995 I thought he had a Moustache the way Howard Hill and Jerry Hill had?

[@Burboss]

10 years on average )

[@timbo749]

it would be so cool if you did a vid about how you shoot out of a Viper!

[@stykmanarchery9526]

I actually hunt out of a viper. Ill try to get a video for you on my channel in the next few weeks

[@twintwo1429]

Hill style longbows are the simplest design and easiest to manufacture. If more people knew this, they would never pay more than $300 for one. My first one was easy and great. My 3rd one was awesome. Anybody can make a great laminated longbow with very few tools and space. Don't let anyone fool you, and definitely don't fool or undermine yourself.

[@xxshooterxxdm]

Is there a link to these bows

[@jake4194]

I feel like no one shoots split finger, few times i tried three under I really didnt like it

[@fishhunter348]

Yeah same, tried 3 under a couple times and was plain weird n shot super low. I shoot well split finger so why change what works?

[@jake4194]

@fishhunter348 I felt like 3 under is just a compromise so you can get a shorter point on, not worth it for me I'll just shoot instinctive up close

[@fishhunter348]

@@jake4194 me too!

[@VSci_]

​@@jake4194 I shoot 3 under because I think I couldn't stop pinching the nock when I shot split. I think it was affecting my accuracy so I found it easier just to switch.

[@gcoutdoors904]

I cant afford the basic primative price tag of 800 bucks just yet. But one day

[@HondoTrailside]

Funny how Hill invented the ASL, which is just an English style longbow that is adapted to modern materials, and simplified and modernized in form. So no horn nocks, and some centercut, as examples. Yet, while Hill didn't suck as a shooter, not one of these guys shoots his bow like he did (though Ben used to shoot that style). So explanations of "forgiveness" and the swing draw are flat. Hill seems to have mostly walked up game. Today, most people are ambush hunters, and that mates more with a target static approach to shooting.

[@cliffjones1061]

Love it wish the audio was more balanced.

[@cliffjones1061]

@@thepusharchery it was meant as constructive criticism. Keep up the good work.

[@HondoTrailside]

Funny, as I watch this the sidebar is offering me the Longbow and Traditional finals from 2022. And if you want to see a lot of top shooters missing foam fauna between their feet, that is the show for you. The real question is whether any of these guys can hit anything.

[@stykmanarchery9526]

Paul McHargue and I have both represented Team USA in the longbow division, we didn't get there by being bad shooters ;)

[@johnbottone4996]

What kind of quiver is on that longbow what kind of quiver is on the longbow

[@stykmanarchery9526]

Erik and Paul both use a "creek walker trading quiver" I (josh) us a gunshy archery products 4 arrow 2 blade quiver

[@nates2914]

What quiver are running on the bows

[@stykmanarchery9526]

Gunshy archery 2 blade 4 arrow quiver And Creek walker trading quiver

[@papyfred7817]

I'd like to ask to the person who uses wood arrows : Can you tell me which size of arrows you buy please ? I've got 5/16 but in the Gunshy quiver, it's hard to insert. Sorry if i make mistakes in my sentences, i'm French. Thanks, Merci.

[@stykmanarchery9526]

So I shoot a 11/32 arrow, in order to make them fit, I use a drill bit about 2 sizes smaller than that and Drill out the pre-made holes. Hope this helps!

[@papyfred7817]

@narchery9526Thanks a lot :) I though about 11/32 and i'll change for it ;) Thank you again.

[@pahuntnut]

what does ASL stand for, other than "American sign language" lol. But seriously, I listened to the Push podcast and i might have missed the explaination of what it stood for or why its different.

[@stykmanarchery9526]

American semi longbow

[@pahuntnut]

@@stykmanarchery9526 thank you,

[@kyleessler6317]

What lb are you guys shooting

[@littlelongshot73]

prob across the 45 - 54 range - myself Im shooting 50-52# @29"

[@paulmchargue]

Same as Ben

[@stykmanarchery9526]

43@29" I'm a weakling

[@seanjorgenson8064]

Fold the seat up.

[@dominator146]

I think I might be the only mofo shooting swing draw split finger anymore

[@stykmanarchery9526]

Nah, plenty of people still doing it! And I think it's pretty cool to get a little time with them and pick their brain. Unfortunately for me, I just have better accuracy 3 under/gap. The beauty of this sport is there is many ways to get the job done.

[@micahspur]

These bows shine with a fast shot and swing draw, i.e. moving target, Because they are so light. Now take a heavier bow and try to stop it on target when you come to target and c if you can easily stop that mass.

[@sweetchariotengland]

Instinctive yes. I think intuitive is a better word, same with making a bow

[@christopherlacoste2130]

Gun barrel aiming, 3 under using carbons with a D shape longbow is like putting a fiberoptic sight on a fine SXS shotgun. Makes me cringe.

[@littlelongshot73]

I agree 100% . Imagine sullying Hills name by such techniques . Next they’ll be shooting chained leopards 😂… or even more so , shooting 3under like Saxton Pope ! Actually Hitting what they are aiming at … oh for Shame !

[@christopherlacoste2130]

@@littlelongshot73 The power of editing before posting makes everyone a great shot lol and I thought it was a chained elephant? And notice how the one guy drew the bow like it was a compound? Egads.

[@littlelongshot73]

One of these guys placed at IBO worlds using an ASL, another one is on the US archery team as a Longbow shooter. I’m not sure they need editing to shoot well 😂.

[@bowsnature9336]

@@littlelongshot73 your right but ignorance is bliss for some isn't it .. people always finding something to whine about

[@lubossoltes321]

Gave up after 10 minutes ... they all talk about ASL and nobody actually bothers to define what they are talking about ...

[@stykmanarchery9526]

Sorry we weren't clear. American Semi Longbow. It's a style of Longbow

[@lubossoltes321]

@@stykmanarchery9526 no kidding ...

[@stykmanarchery9526]

I guess I'm confused on define what we were talking about.

[@Silentbet1of]

I didn’t know American were around when the bow was made in this land lol 😂 you mean native Americans people, you mean Indians right ? Cus it’s not an American thing at all it’s a Indian thing they hunted the animals on this land with bows long before an English man figured out how to

[@malthus101]

Opening music? Nice. (don't try to Shazam it - you'll be quite shocked by the result it gives lol!)

[@caseysmith544]

Due to my size I have to use that anchor at cartilage before the ear hole to get a 24--24.5 inch draw depending on handle design. For this reason, I had to get for hunting GREAT PLAINS TRADITIONAL BOW COMPANY The Youth Longbow (mild reflex deflex that looks like a D shape when strung) at 45 pounds and I chose Hickory for the limbs. I do like with most of the GREAT PLAINS TRADITIONAL BOW COMPANY flat limb longbows they are notched grip with flat front so I can grip the bow like a flat handle longbow or English longbow with that full grip. I like to use 45 Pounds as I know I can use the bow over and over for a bit but not forever the way lighter bows can be yet still hit just at lager game requirements in South Dakota the Elk and Mountain Lion as they need 45 pounds should I ever want to do that, not that I would. I live in South Dakota so we have minimum for deer/turkey being 30 pounds and I feel that 35 pounds is best to get the big game animal mainly Turkey than 38 pounds on up is best for deer. Oh, I am using aluminum arrows not super good arrows but good arrows from Cupid the 400 spine for my GREAT PLAINS TRADITIONAL BOW COMPANY Hickory limb Youth Longbow at 45 pounds.

[@caseysmith544]

I have since got the bow December 22. 2022 and it is more like ASS or American Style Shortbow with minor to mild Reflex Deflex that looks 95% to a standard D shape when strung. I love the handle the bow has and is a rather smooth draw for how short the bow is at 52 inches. The bow is like ASL that is a cross of a shelfed English longbow and a Native bow but the bow is a cross of a Shelfed English Short Bow and a Short Plains style Native bow that kind of has a little bit of B shape to the riser/handle area. I got this bow due to it being what I needed for a bow needing left hand and short draw, a combo that with most mass produced brands caps the left hand bows at 55 pounds when I would need 60 for most to get a 45 pound bow at my draw of 24--24.5 inches. I got lucky and got my bow at a time when the company was still not well known as now it is 6--12 months for the bow. Reason I got such a short time of 6--10 weeks was that GREAT PLAINS TRADITIONAL BOW COMPANY did not have many KZbin videos or other social media stuff at the time with really only a video about the company no longer being the original Texas brand but promises to keep making the old models in same designs with a little bit of newer tech to improve the bows and an almost blank Facebook page.

[@rafaelflecha1728]

Help.my I want to Buy One Bow like this how much$$$$$$$$