The Anti-Work Movement - How Money Works

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There is a movement that is gaining popularity online amongst disenfranchised workers who are struggling with jobs where they are not paid enough, not given enough flexibility and simply not treaded with the level of respect that should be afforded to every human being. So It’s time to learn How Money Works to find out what the Anti Work Movement get’s right and what it gets horribly wrong.
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[@1984Phalanx]

I'm turning 38 soon and I've spent my whole youth working hard making companies rich while they push me for more and more at the best of times. They don't care if I'm doing the work of 3 people as long as the work is getting done. Never be loyal to a company, only the money. Always serve yourself first. Save money and buy a house while times are good so you don't have to tolerate an abusive boss while times are lean. Do this while you're young, it only gets harder as you age.

[@Bradimoose]

Change jobs and pretend to be slow to get a break. Worked for me. Still gotta get the house thing though but having low expenses where if I was laid off i could be a bartender would be a good backup.

[@incognito1427]

I would say you could open an small business and not being loyal to anyone 🧐

[@josephbrennan370]

@@incognito1427 the classic argument used to stop improving working conditions.

[@incognito1427]

@@josephbrennan370 I did just that and my income dramatically went up, and my workload exploded but in the end I normally start to work late morning and can enjoy other perks. There is no free lunch in this life.

[@s.a.d9465]

@@incognito1427 still a Stupid argument working conditions should and need to be better and don’t majority of businesses fail anyway can’t really compete with the big players

[@richardsalley9848]

I've worked hard all my life. All I ever got in return is more work. I've learned that it is better not to work as hard.

[@HughJassole420]

This is a real issue called performance punishment. The harder you work the more the employer expects of you and gives you and then the harder you work it's a loop. And it's messed up because I've seen people working like dogs standing next to lazy people in the same environment and nothing is expected of a lazy person.

[@ABC-jq7ve]

Get a more challenging, higher paying job. This is why people get new jobs even though their currently one may be reasonable.

[@Sam-xu8si]

People in this scenario don't use the extra experience this gives you to find a better job or negotiate a promotion. They just rot in their current job none the wiser of why they aren't progressing.

[@roncerjani9063]

​@@HughJassole420In all my jobs, I worked hard at the beginning just to show that I'm a fast learner and create an idea of the work environment there. If it looked unlikely to increase in hierarchy or payment, I'd stick to do just the bare minimum required.

[@theWebmasterify]

Here‘s the thing: The AntiWork subreddit actually started as „simple“ arnachistic movement whose endgoal really was to just not to work. Only when the subreddit became more popular it slowly swung into a workers rights movement. The problem is that the initial members (including the famous founder what gave that horrible interview) are still there so there is this internal, awkward conflict of being completely against work vs being a pro-worker movement which puts the sub into a really weird spot.

[@lets_see_777]

it started as a rant sub about shit working environment. Then it got to a point with people from all spectrum joining in, just like the video, under the common enemy that work in modern society sucks. From left to right, from liberal to communists to anarchists, everyone tags along with that something is wrong with work but nothing else in common, this movement goes nowhere except spreading awareness that people need to ask more from employers.

[@lolwtnick4362]

its evolving just like anything on the internet. if the old doesn't change the site becomes toxic and cancerous and will die.

[@Iron-Bridge]

So. The original preacher lost his cathedral. 🤣

[@runnethdown]

So that's why r/workreform sprang up lol

[@VoidOneGamer]

Doreen wasn't a leader by any means,just a moderator. And the community at large was fucking pissed she spoke on their behalf.

[@Raamsheld]

Speaking of rebranding, anti-work should be called better-work. It's focusing on quality over low value. It's basically the labor market acting as consumers for jobs. In this case, you are you're own capital. Job shop wisely and spend your personal capital carefully.

[@NavaracVolare]

Nah, anti-work is fine

[@theyellowmeteor]

There's a sub called "work reform" with the same sentiment.

[@naufaltriandiroziqi8538]

Anti-exploitation will be better

[@DaGoof120]

Whoever names these movements really picks shit names for them. Anti-work, defund the police, etc

[@user-dk9dx3xb2t]

r/workreform

[@jeffbenton6183]

"Stop thinking of yourself as a worker, and start thinking of yourself as a company." That sounds like some solid advice I should try to follow

[@marcduchamp5512]

Yeah tell that to your employer LOL

[@jeffbenton6183]

@@marcduchamp5512 I just rewatched the video, and considering where that quote originated in it, I don't see the difficulty here. Part of being a "company rather than a worker" is doing well enough to be recommendable, and part is being able to look for a new employer if one is willing to offer more. My employer only controls me if I choose to be lazy at work and refuse to research other options when I am not at work.

[@5hadœwbånnedbyyou]

A company that can invest in reasonable time, energy and quality. I've seem to come across this perspective from job hoppers who were Jack's of different trades; From waiters, to call center agents who could bartend, a forklift operator that could really cook, a person who could manage people really well and fair but had the abilities to also had a degree in accounting. This works. But what kind of partnerships is one willing to have? And how is one able to negotiate the tangibles-- Time, energy and quality.

[@5hadœwbånnedbyyou]

​@@marcduchamp5512 A SSN already makes you a humanoid trader of resolutions and resources. If an employer has never told you: "You work with me not for me." Then it's probably gonna get sour. And in fact, you don't have to tell an employer anything. Which explains Gen Z ghosting and other elements of job maintenance or departure. Another thing is, employers are more insecure when a resume has been significantly expanded. Meaning they may automatically feel you could get bored with the "investment" in a span of a year with no thorough indication that you'll terminate the holding of any position. While still having the residuals of their status or EIN. There are also scams where people will target a company that is on the verge of collapse of business, just so any state depart of labor can have them qualified due to proof of shit down. But that is for those who can venture from place to simultaneously. And most employers hurt themselves in regards to job sites that are utilized to the detriment of either poor selection or fickle minded belief systems towards candidates they really don't even know. So who's really taking more losses?

[@RedEyeification]

Stop bullshiting us.

[@kingkottah]

As a contract worker in the power generation industry I’m anti full time work. I worked full time for 6 years and by the end I hated it, never had any time to do what I really wanted to. Now as a contractor I work 60 hour weeks (6x10) for 4-8 weeks, sometimes away from home but I get to pick and choose when and where I work which is what really matters for me. This ending financial year I worked 7 months and earned 85k AUD and got to enjoy the whole summer off, something not really achievable in my field/trade with full time work(38hr week). If you have the opportunity to work contracts with big hours over a short period of time i high recommend giving it a shot, it might be what you need to love work.

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

+1 for this. I would rather work 14x12 and then have a pile of time off, than have one or two days here or there. Also, having the money roll in rapidly while working is great for reaching goals... home, stocks, new vehicle, etc.; but there is always a light at the end of the 14x12 tunnel, while endless 40 hour weeks never ends... not even after years.

[@lobstermacsansbro477]

I worked minimum wage, temp labor jobs for over 2 years. The pay sucked and the work itself was sweaty, dirty and about the lowest possible rung in terms of societal respect. BUT I got to choose when I worked and that pretty much made up for it at the time. I could walk in to the office get an assignment for a week, work 50 hours and then I was free! Totally free, I could never show up again and no one would be bothered. I could take months off, and come back like nothing had happened. I could plan vacations whenever I wanted, I could travel, work on personal projects and pick up cash when I needed it. It wasn't a fancy life, I didn't eat out often or buy lots of stuff and I had to have roomates. But I liked the people I lived with and I could still go out for dinner when it was a social thing and when I really liked something I could buy still get it. Mostly it meant my spending was always a conscious act rather than a casual thing. Obviously and unfortunately, it still wasn't stable in the long term. I wasn't able to put much in savings and work could be unpredictable. The freedom was the addictive part. Even if I was the lowest status guy on any job site I was still outside the company, I had a feeling of independence. I could choose to work or not. If a supervisor was a dick I could shrug it off because in the long run they weren't my real boss. I didn't need to chase promotions or kiss anyone's ass. I'd show up by choice, be a respectful, work hard, get paid and leave. Looking back on it, it was by far my favorite way to work. If it wasn't for the pitifully low pay I'd probably still be doing it.

[@BOSSDONMAN]

60 hours a week 7 months a year 240x7=1680 40 hours a week, 48 weeks a year 160x11=1760

[@rfjel7785]

I’ve been in healthcare for decades. There is an “anti-work movement” in healthcare. Many times staff just don’t show up and quitting on the spot happens. It’s one of the reasons you could wait for hours to be seen in the emergency department.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

I work from home at a desk job that does tech support for my state (I am not in IT, I mostly provide customer service). In many states, I earn more than the lower ladders of healthcare workers and yet I don't make a lot overall ($41,600 or $20/hr). There's a serious issue when I, with no degree to my name, can make more than anyone in any medical position. CNA's are a lower position on the medical field ladder, but clean human waste...like, seriously think about that. You are cleaning up an adult human and yet being paid less than $20/hr to do so. Why is that a thing?! Why is my desk job valued more than someone in the medical field? It's not something optional, we need medical workers. But the conditions and pay of the job of course make it so there's high turnover and shortages. I remember seeing a documentary on this a few years back, about shortages at a nursing home. A nurse informed you pretty much don't do the job for money but because it's in your heart. Made me think of a coffee mug my mom has, "Nursing is a work of heart" (she's now a nurse, formerly a CNA and likely has worked other positions, usually at nursing homes). But it seems the caring nature of these people is being taken for granted to screw them over. Oh, and...there's also the fact that these facilities are privately owned (hospitals and ambulance services, too). The owners are usually making bank while everyone else eats dirt.

[@Archchill]

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley could not agree more

[@Football__Junkie]

The more corporate healthcare gets the more employees hate it. Healthcare has such limited competition to offer better jobs, better costs, and better care. It will get worse before it gets better

[@NankitaBR]

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley every work that is deemed "essencial" (aka the ones that couldn't stop during the lock downs around the world) should be paid more than other kinds of work. Period.

[@alexander15551]

I’m sure it’s a draining job, but nurses get paid absolute bank. Pay is definitely not the problem here

[@austinharris5346]

Really good video, as always, but I think you could talk more about the theoretical underpinning of the movement: For decades, productivity has continually increased, but workers' share of the gains of that productivity has continually decreased, and there are distinct social, political, and economic instututions at work, and within "work", that are responsible for that disparity. I think viewing antiwork as a personal philosophy and modus vivendi is fine, indeed, much of the community seems to favor that interpretation, but I think we're all better served seeing it as a larger body of policy preferences built into the progressive platform. I.E, Antiwork is not about one's own lifestyle choices, it's about labor reform, fiscal and monetary policy, constitutional rights, transparency laws, tariffs, and a whole lot more.

[@Potatotoro]

Bump, video felt kind of dismissive, because “of course people don’t want to work” is such a common response that ignores much of what antiwork is about

[@The_Midnight_Bear]

Yeah, and that split from the anti-work guys into communities like r/workreform

[@thomasdtrain]

Well said

[@xaviar10]

I speak as a crazy leftist, but the political left fucking sucks at branding Most of our slogans also need a paragraph of explanation to make much sense (defund the police, antiwork, etc) The average person prefers the thing they understand without having to investigate rather than the complicated thing because one of them makes them feel smart and in the loop

[@isphus]

Yup. And the gap between productivity increase and wage increases started in 1971. In a big way, leaving the gold standard led to the antiwork movement.

[@me0101001000]

My dad and I had a great conversation about the anti-work movement. He's your typical Asian immigrant with a crazy strong work ethic. He always thought of American (read white) kids as lazy and of terrible work ethic with an unrestrained sense of entitlement. I explained to him the conditions where a lot of them work. He argued that it was far worse in the country he came from, which is its own issue, but even then, that doesn't excuse the problems in our current nation. People are not willing to work not because they are lazy. They are angry. Very angry. Productivity is at an all time high, but wages have stagnated, and sometimes even fallen, and living costs have only gone up as well. Some refuse to work out of hopelessness, others in protest. But in any case, they recognize the issues in the system. We concluded that there are issues in the system that is in play in most industrial countries, but of course we can't just not work either. This is why I'm less anti-work, more of a workplace reformist, if that makes sense.

[@incognito1427]

Well, I'm first generation immigrant and worked 6 years for a very low wage and high productivity until I got mad and opened my own business with all the knowledge of my low wage job. The kid on the fox interview seems to me like a very very low productive member of society, industry talking.

[@me0101001000]

@@incognito1427 good on you mate! I really wish more people were like you. This is the kind of attitude people ought to have!

[@Marvin-ii7bh]

i think the percentage of the us economy coming from industry is just too small and much of the industry you got is not competitive or not sophisticated enough. fe. in germany 1. the percentage is 6% higher (18 compared with 24), 2. big parts are highly advanced (fe. luxury car makers, mechanical engineering companies, etc. (of course you also got less advanced industries like steel makers but they are as much in decline as their peers in the us). when it comes to possible solutions obviously tarrifs are not really combating thr core problem: low productivity. if youre industry is supposed to be healthy and competitive you need high productivity. you get that from good education, high automatization and more advanced products (for which you need innovation in fields that matter to industry). this is obviously easier said then done leading to populists to fall back on short time "solutions" like tarrifs (they can be usefull in other regards but not here).

[@admiralfrancis8424]

r/WorkReform

[@TheXrythmicXtongue]

I am in 100% agreement with you, my friend. You cannot live without working on something. Even if there were no "jobs," in order to produce food, for instance, plants and land must be tended to properly, skillfully, and diligently. Same with most industries. So work reform is what is actually needed, those who don't want to work at all don't understand life in general.

[@HeyNoProblem]

Anti work is about treating employees the way they need to be treated and recognized as people. Promote good work, with promotions, in a timely manner, provide benefits, vacation, and value your employees. I say this as a manager. We arent all bad people as managers, we want to see our employees thrive, not just survive. Be good to those who work for you, and they will do outstanding jobs.

[@amesasw]

Anti work should focus on the amount of time we trade for money. The problem isnt always work, it can simply be the work uses up the majority of your premium day time every week. If people worked a bit less there would be more time to raise a family or have personal growth hobbies. We probably could drop everyone to 30 hour work weeks and be productive enough.

[@hisholiness4537]

Most ppl are productive for only 3-4 hours so yeah

[@joecommenter1332]

@@hisholiness4537 The problem for me is the that I spend 2-6 hours every day in meetings and/or working sessions, not of my choosing. I need an eight hour work day to have enough time to get my assigned work done.

[@Duck-wc9de]

how much time do you spend on youtube and facebook? why arent you raising your family nor enjoying personal growth hobbies? and the number of hours per week varies from ocupation to ocupation. Office worker? sure. Public servant? probably, with a tax increase to pay for the new employees. Doctor? hell no.

[@shinqqing5161]

@@joecommenter1332 That's your problem man.. And some people also need like 10 hours to finish their day so should you make a case of 50 hours per week then? Personally I'm done at 4-6 hours a day unless we're being pressed by deadline.

[@jokerpilled2535]

30? We have enough people to have 20 hr work weeks. As long as they get paid, the hours are arbitrary.

[@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim5376]

I completely understand where a lot of the anti-work people are coming from when it comes to the majority of jobs today. Nobody wants to be a slave working for pennies working a job you hate while doing so doesn't even afford you basic things in life. On top of that add on double-digit inflation, gas doubling and skyrocketing housing prices and it's no wonder people don't want to try anymore, because there's no more real opportunity.

[@OCtheG]

I had to quit my job at the motorcycle factory because it literally didn’t pay me enough to have the gas to come in to work, it was charity. I was losing money taking shifts.

[@chrism3933]

@@OCtheG what do you drive to work? A big rig, dragging an 80k lb trailer? 😆

[@josephbrennan370]

Over 50% of the world's population earns under $15 dollars a day

[@chihirostargazer6573]

The human population on this planet has tripled since 1960...no one seems to want to address this. More people, more competition and less opportunities, especially for "meaningful" work.

[@Typexviiib]

@@chihirostargazer6573 there are arguements for and against this position. The best arguement for this position is how much more leverage the lower class in Europe had after the black death swept through.

[@Kinos141]

"Think of yourself as a company." Jay-Z: "I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man." Thank you!! You just made that quote make way more sense now.

[@roxaskinghearts]

but heres the problem with that treat people like that and people will treat you the same

[@Kinos141]

@@roxaskinghearts The way I see people treat businesses, I don't see the downside. lol

[@grim1427]

This is just common sense. The only reason it has to be explained is because society shoves a bunch of garbage down your throat about chasing your dreams when you are young.

[@SuperTyden]

Chasing your dreams is good and it's what made America such a rich and prosperous country.

[@jas_bataille]

I don't think anyone ever thought "I'd be so happy to not work!" - people don't want to work useless jobs created for the sole purpose of feeding terrible managers' egos, they want to work meaningful jobs that make a difference in their communities. But those jobs are so rare, and usually pay quite badly and aren't fulltime, that the few lucky ones among us who do get human-level jobs that matters where we're friends with colleagues and customers alike still need to hustle. It's not a "side-hustle" for me anymore, it's more like hustle A, hustle B, etc Yes, I would make much more and be more secure in a full time job. I also know for a fact that I would not be happy. This way of working isn't for everyone. I found that, for me, figuring it out "on my own" (AKA using many contacts have acquired over the years) is 100x worth the efforts compared to keeping with a fulltime job I hate where I'm treated like shit. Simple really. Nobody wants to be unemployed, especially not after a pandemic. The fact they still quit anyway is then extremely telling : those weren't jobs, especially not the fast-food ones, it was slavery in disguise, and it'll still be if we don't take action about it. It's not an "antiwork" movement (except for a few idiots), it's an anti-disrespect movement. Not the same at all. Also, government programs is NOT an option to have a comfortable lifestyle. I don't know why and how people keep saying this, but as someone who was in a relationship with a person who suffers from extreme mental illness due to trauma, seeing her trying to get by with 600 bucks a month knowing full well she was *not* going to he hired anywhere and that it wasn't her choice really hit me deep. Absolutely nobody is affording a comfortable lifestyle "off of the government". That's nonsense. Even in Canada during the pandemic, I regrettably accepted the offer because I could not work in my field, I'm autistic so I knew how hard it would be for me to change, and I was completely depressed. I still regretted my tax statement after that. The government was purposefully unclear about this, making checks smaller but with taxes pre-paid in the middle of the whoe thing, and I do not want to any a single check from them anymore, ever. I think that this is how most people in the "antiwork" movement think, but as always, there's a small minority of idiots who actually think the world can work automatically and magically who scream very hard on top of their lungs.

[@stemszz7658]

@Zentosi we don't care

[@branofilipovic9608]

Hello, Ill just react to the first part - "wanting to have a job which makes a difference in community and is meaningful and having a "human" and friendly boss" is the way to anti-work and some burn out and depression. And I think people can really hurt their lives if they try to get this. Usually it leads to low salary and lot of hours worked per day. Most people who are long term (5+ years) happy about their jobs picked a job which is not stressful, sometimes bit boring and well paid and with a boss they can freely ignore (even better than having a nice boss). Ive worked in research (nanostructures and 2D nanomaterials), which you could describe as making the difference and so on, it was lots of stress, i went to small-ish (350 employees) private company to work in RnD, I have way higher salary, most of the time i can just sit on my chair and watch youtube and stuff, i do not pick up any call during weekends and only read emails in work hours, my boss is actually kinda nice, but i dont have to care too much cause i know they desperately need people with qualification who would be willing to move for a quite boring job (as opposed to the research, which was actually super interesting, but included too much stress and too low salary). Btw my current job makes very very small impact and difference on peoples life, I just mostly do some boring innovation and stuff so that my company can sell and make profits, nothing which will change the world, as a researcher I had great results, managed to get great grants, worked in important research center in central Europe and I am super happy about quitting :-)

[@NavaracVolare]

It is originally an anti-work movement, as the thumbnail says: unemployment for all, not just for the rich. What's wrong with wanting that?

[@branofilipovic9608]

@@NavaracVolare Rather everything is wrong with that. Quite clearly mentioned in the beginning of the video that if this is your view on this movement, than its horribly wrong and every1 with sane mind should see this. Rich people can be unemployed simply because they have their own money and usually even their own income, money basically translates to some work. Poor people who just dont want to work are getting benefits from the government, so other poor and middle class people have to work for their benefits. And quite simply - if no one worked, we would die of starvation. If you dont wanna work, thats quite normal, earn some money then. If you get a good education and your partner as well, you can quite easily work 4 days and live comfortable life and still earn way more than average salary, thats what I did. Or start you own business, but basically thinking "i dont like work, we all should not work, cause we can just get money from he government which can just print money forever" is total nonsense.

[@lavellelee5734]

@@branofilipovic9608don't know how I feel about this comment and the video, nor have I joined that particular movement. But I feel like people don't understand how foolish this mindset is, or how condescending it comes off as" oh hold on marx!". Not everyone can make a successful company, most entrepreneurs earn less than the average worker, and the grand majority of people hate their fucking jobs. So what's with this attitude on people wanting to live? It's almost like y'all think people should live to work or something. Even fucking developers making six figures a year have been quiting like clockwork since most only go in for the money so they may at least attempt their actual passions. And before you say "commie" I fully believe most people love hard work, however it depends on what they're working on and if they have a real choice in if they work at all. Strange I know.

[@luisandrade2254]

The moderate members could get the whole of society to support them if they called themselves work reformers instead of anti work

[@MostafaElSakari]

Exactly, the movement might have some good points but I’m never gonna support something called “AntiWork”

[@josephbrennan370]

R/workreform?

[@موسى_7]

I prefer calling it the Universal Union

[@epbrown01]

There's a bit of a conflict in the "see yourself as a corporation" and "minimal work" mindsets, as I've seen them practiced. A corporation is looking to maximize income and minimize costs, resulting in the most profits. The "anti-work" movement is basically about reducing productivity to just subsistence/breakeven levels to maximize free time.

[@Not_Pulsus]

This is a good critique, the way I see that issue is misaligned incentives in this analogy. A company is motivated pretty much only to profit, while an individual is motivated to be healthy, happy, and survive at all costs.

[@lets_see_777]

true, the video kinda felt off with this topic. Like his point was "ask for better conditions from employers" which is not the point for a lot of people in this movement.

[@lucaschmidt8913]

Capitalism is running on the values of consumerism & profit maximization. This is what the anti-worker wants to move away from, towards a more humane society. Therefore, I don't want to see myself as a company.

[@epbrown01]

@@lucaschmidt8913 I see the problem as less capitalism and more "Americanism." After all, plenty of other capitalist countries offer more access to education, health care, and benefits for workers. The American political mindset is spiteful, one where people gladly stall policies that will benefit most of the country to deprive a tiny percentage they don't like for some reason, often even ignoring the fact that they wouldn't.

[@goldstein10493]

You don't need a collective left wing movement for that. Just look into better time management. Most people who are burnt out are unmarried. Well no wonder they're feeling burnt out, their boring dead end jobs (which is the definition of a job) lack purpose and meaning. They're not thinking of their children's future, they have no reason to get up in the morning and power through the suffering of life. And no one can guarantee that life is without suffering.

[@Ralph2k20]

I built a budget with a paycheck calculator, I realized I only need to work 32 hours to pay for everything in my life. Knowing this allowed me to come home earlier and do w/e I want.

[@enhancedutility266]

That's great I did the same thing years ago

[@WitchMedusa]

What about retirement?

[@FlowziMowzi]

How much are you paid, and where do you live ?

[@jacksonnduriri7413]

Now that's ingnorance

[@sturmgrun]

@@jacksonnduriri7413 u good?

[@Teej_0]

This such a great take on the actual ethics of the movement. I'm so glad someone is willing to speak out about what the majority of anti-workers actually feel. It's not about living off the government, it's about returning value to the workers time and effort.

[@adrianafamilymember6427]

This is such a great time to tackle it too when there is a recession about to hit

[@Teej_0]

@@adrianafamilymember6427 I know, it's like the perfect storm. People are hurting and businesses made a ton of money so now the fallout of inflation is causing people to spend less and work less. It's kind of funny how it all panned out

[@RTB1400]

Preach. Mischaracterization of the movement is rampant, which serves to preserve the status quo rather than change it.

[@blameekatoneikosipente482]

That! Lower the hours. We want to work but not 40-50-60 hours a week. Put in the time of getting ready for work, commuting, taking care of the house and there is no time left for any living! If you have kids and work not only you have no time to live, you don't have time to even sleep xd

[@kurmis999]

when worker time and effort was valued ? cant fined any historical record confirming such idea :D

[@stevenspencer306]

I like the perspective of being your own company. I've used this analogy for years myself. But I have minor disagreements with a few points. One, rather than think of my employer as another business that I'm doing business with, I think of them as my customer. My role as a business is to provide a service to my customer, and to ensure I am being paid a fair market rate for that service. Second, when you don't have a lot of customers, it can be worthwhile to stay loyal to a customer who is loyal to you. This is similar to not raising rent on a good tenant simply because market rates went up. But if the tenant or employer is a pain the a**, f em', find a new one that pays better. Third, I have no desire to be a soulless profit maximizing entity. I want to feel like my work has meaning. Finally, I don't sell the hours in my day, I sell a set of skills that produce value for my customers. The labor market is like any other market and prices are determined by supply and demand. The supply of basic worker time is much greater than the supply for specific skills. So if you supply a rare skill that is in high demand, you can find customers who will pay well for it.

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

Top notch insights, you've got there! My view is largely the same - I've always viewed my business as being a partner to my clients, helping them to run their businesses. Every once and a while my rates go up, but I strive to provide better service and better rates than all big businesses do - and I accomplish that. (Which to be fair, is not hard. Big Business sets a low bar.) A while back I realized that if I market skills that no other provider nearby offers, I can undercut and profit massively. For example, VOIP phone setups. For a big old complicated one, a big competitor might want $1500/mo, and their after-setup support is dog shit. It's easy to undercut that if you know what you're doing. Recently I came up with a creative way to wire up some workforce housing and atco office trailers and saved another business $18000/mo. Big Business really gouges if they know you're in a profitable sector. Internet isn't worth $18k/mo, even if you did set up a few APs.

[@TyphoonJig]

I disagree on the whole "see yourself as a company" because it totally ignores what makes workers movements work : collective action. A company have absolutely no interest in organizing with other companies to have overall better prices for its products (it might even be illegal). As a worker, you're an ireductible part of the value making process and it's using that as a lever that will allow you to gain more benefits for yourself and your fellow workers. Thinking of yourself as an individual entity and not a part of a bigger group totally erase that. A good approach IMO is to ask yourself both "How much I accept to do this task" PLUS "How much I accept to not do what I could have been doing in the same time". You have a set number of hours in a life week and sure, you've got a few dozens of them where you don't see what you could be doing and don't mind working. But each hour above that cost you most as they represent more of your remaining time for the week in proportion. So take that in account when selling your time as a package. A company doesn't have to eat, sleep, do the dishes and so on. A company can't die of anything else than running out of buiseness. A worker can get in a car crash after getting sleep deprived and coming home from work at 11PM for the tenth day in a row, a company can't.

[@AdrianA-lr3gq]

Most companies absolutely price fix if it was legal.

[@mrstraiban]

The biggest misconception is that if you don't work you don't do anything meaningful. If I'd be able to quite my job, I'd start doing things that I want to and learning new skills. This would most likely not be commercially viable at the beginning but after a while it might transform into a career and a productive job that I'd have created on my own terms and that I would continue to do on my own terms.

[@Fx_-]

Most people do that during elementary, highschool and college and the year right afterwards. People who live automatically and do not find guidance towards what they should be doing to actually be fulfilled… those people are the majority that wind up chained to work because never kept learning new skills…. Except you had a huge chance and you CAN do it while working and instead of watching youtube videos during free time… watch and practice new skills… like me… in my 30’s… I can’t ever not have a great paying job because I know so much about so much and my ability to solve ANY problem has decades of development. I can enter and learn and master and expand ANY industry and am in demand as such. If you think life is about not working so you can finally start learning then you are intellectually lazy by habit (a habit you must break) and have not realized it is something you must do continously or you lose.

[@WitchMedusa]

Are you dumb or blind, what you just said is work. Work isn't just a job with a pay cheque. You working on you own terms is still work

[@minedgravy380]

@@Fx_- Your are special dude and you deserve what you've worked for. Most ppl need downtime to be able to do that, I just don't see the value in not wanting to give ppl more time to develop skills seems like overall better for evryone

[@JerichoCasio]

@@Fx_- I have a number of friends who always say they don't have time to do anything. They are in their mid to late 20s. I always start by asking how many hours they work. Some are proud to say 50-60. Then I say we have 168 hours in a week. 168 - 50(average) 118. A generous 8 hours of sleep a night leaves us with 62 left. say 10 hours of commuting thats 52. 12 hours of cooking/eating/washing/baithing leaves us at 40. This doesn't include children but at the right age most people have a lot of free time they spend playing games and relaxing. thats not to say its time wasted at all but its time that could be well spent learning new skills. I've been a data analyst for around 5 years now and have taken online lessons on SQL as well as multiple programming languages to beef up my resume and its helped greatly. I think a lot of people take this for granted and decide it wont be worth their time.

[@dragonsharker4793]

Nice idea but why do you not need to work to do this? Plenty of people turn a hobby into a career while still working a job. You need to fund your learning of skills somehow, which is why you need to work.

[@reidwallace4258]

My mother told me before my first day of work, "Remember, minimum wage, minimum effort", and I have taken that to heart every day since. If a boss wants to pay me the legal minimum, treat me as badly as he can get away with, and milk his employees for all he can, I feel it is our moral and ethical duty to do the bare minimum to not get sacked and care not at all for the job. That mindset is vital to keeping employeers honest, fair and just, if we are willing to bust our asses to show them we deserve more, what we actually show them is how much they can get for less. That being said, when you do find an employeer that treats their workers well, pays them decently and cares about them, the tables are turned and you clearly owe the same right back to him, to care about the business, to work well and such. IMO what happened to our labor market in north america is a generational story. It wasn't covid or 2008, it was the 20-30 years before hand of businesses desperately trying to slash labor, or at least keep it from growing, that left us in a situation where your average college grad is working for less spending power per hour than a bar tender in the 80s. It has been getting progressively worse for decades, and we are very rapidly reaching a tipping point, the point at which the wages shithead bosses expect to pay to maintain their profits is simply not worth working for, frankly I think a lot of businesses are there already, and have been for a long time, it was just Covid causing enough of a shake up to get burned out, done with this shit workers to actually move on and find something new.

[@stevenspencer306]

The real problem is that people in 1st world countries now live in a post scarcity economy. That is the majority of our basic human needs can be produced by a small fraction of the population. We continue work to fulfill our wants in addition to those needs. But creating new desires happens more slowly then population growth. That's why companies are willing to spend so much on marketing; they need to generate desire. What's happened is that the demand for labor is simply being outpaced by the supply of workers. So supply and demand dictate that wages fall. If a company can get two workers for the price of one, they're more likely to hire both even if they don't necessarily have enough work for both. There have been some interesting things happening recently. With baby boomers retiring, labor supply is decreasing faster than gen Z is replacing it, which is partly why unemployment has been so low. Covid created temporary scarcity by halting or slowing labor in many industries, which created a supply chain shock that's still working its way through the system. This everything-supply-shortage plus trillions in stimulus had a double whammy effect prices, leading to our current inflation panic. The Fed now shifting from QE to QT and raising interest rates is making it harder for companies to get new loans to continue to grow. This will lead to hiring freezes and layoffs, which we're starting to see, further damping the demand for labor. So despite the boomer retirements I don't see wages increasing faster than inflation anytime soon. You can call the bosses shitheads all you want, but they don't have good reason to pay more than market rate.

[@mynameisnotyours]

@@stevenspencer306 **considers the baby formula shortage** Yeah. Post-scarcity.

[@Archchill]

@@mynameisnotyours add gaming consoles, cars, houses, apartments, and a variety of other things to that list as well. I don’t think that guy knows what he’s talking about.

[@mynameisnotyours]

@@Archchill Post-post-scarcity.

[@reidwallace4258]

@@stevenspencer306 That is... kinda my point dude, that its the market forcing their hand... and although I'll agree we can't be surpressed bosses are willing to pay less for labor, we can still call them assholes, given that at the same time they are trying to save on labor their bitching and moaning about the modern work ethic, high turn over and lack of staffing. The fact is the market is saying in a lot of cases that they cannot get good labor for what they are willing to pay, but they are far more willing to force their employees to put up with insane hours due to lack of staff headcount, and bitch and moan about how bad their labor is rather than... paying what labor is worth. Also, post scarcity my ass, we are living in the lowest scarcity time in human history to be sure, and our basic needs are indeed met by a tiny fraction of the population, but scarcity is still very much a thing, and more importantly our economic system requires we are always on the verge of a shortage for even the most essential items, so even for things like grain and dairy we are one good supply chain issue from shortages... so for all the scarcity we have eliminated we have simply replaced it with artificial scarcity. Your entire post basicly boils down to 'Yeah but it is what it is'... which is like... kinda empty? Are you trying to say that it is a good, desirable thing to have tens of millions of people payed too little to meaningfully advance in life while producing record profits for their bosses? Is this the outcome we want? You seem to see the problems facing people, but have just thrown your hands up because the magical monster of economics says you have to...

[@TheNJB]

After my previous job of seeing people close with management get promoted more than me after doing almost nothing, I have different views on work. Sure I work to the best of my ability, but I'd much rather work on something I enjoy and know my work is actually benefiting others. I always tell my friends to invest so they can work less in the future but they'd rather complain about work lmao

[@BOSSDONMAN]

I generally agree, but it looks like the oligarchs are doing everything they can to destroy the bottom 99% to make sure we're in permanent indentured servitude.

[@DomesticTourist001]

We need to do more real work and less fake work. That's the issue.

[@Halliwell0Rain]

I work in healthcare, all we do is "real" work.

[@NightMourningDove]

Right? Make it easier for people to become healthcare workers and get them higher pay, shorter work weeks, etc

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

I will have plenty to do not at a job. The issue is the job that you already don't like doesn't pay enough or expect you to like there. Add to the fact that the way I work doesn't match the 9 to 5 yet end up sitting in an office when there's little to do and also expect over time when busy instead of just evening out hours over the year. If I'm sick on a Tuesday, I don't mind working Saturday .. but now back to office I can't, and lose a day of work. Coming from a family of workers, we work and eventually build our own thing and leave. Companies will keep losing their best to highest bid or those build their own

[@jokerpilled2535]

The movement should be called “Anti-Overwork”

[@SquishyProductions]

Oh I had a post on that subreddit blow up! I wrote about the time when I had an interview at an auto parts store. The interview was held out by the registers because the woman couldn't stop working long enough to talk to me. So we're having this interview and this guy walks in, sees it happening, and goes "You're getting applicants? I can't even get the fucking (Mexican slur) to work for me anymore!" He stood there my entire interview ranting about how no one wants to work anymore. After the interview was over I turned to him and asked what he pays. I don't recall the exact number but it was below minimum wage. I responded "But that's not even minimum wage." And he replied "Farm jobs don't have to pay minimum wage!" Angry that I questioned him paying less than minimum wage. I looked it up and yes in Pennsylvania farm work is exempt from minimum wage laws here.

[@StarboyXL9]

*pays pennies for days of backbreaking labor* "Nobody wants to work anymore! Everybody is so lazy!" No. Nobody wants to work as a slave. If we can't make personal progress from our labor, then we might as well just turn to crime. We'll fare better that way!

[@SpecialEdDHD]

Not anti-work. Just anti-too much work. 5 days 40 hours a week is too much. 4 days 6 hour days max.

[@THETRIVIALTHINGS]

I've always seen the 'anti-work movement' as "pro-good working environment with great pay movement". Unfortunately, the latter doesn't roll off the tongue like the former.

[@dragoness777]

"If this is all sounding a bit hammer and sickle...." *Airbnb ad with "Yellow Submarine" plays immediately*

[@thewen]

this has been my attitude and mindset since i witnessed my dad's layoff in the early 2000s. luckily, he was also smart to pivot and i quickly realized I only need to be loyal to myself. fast forward 20 years and I'm making as much of bit more than people with grad degrees and working half as much. i have a much free time as i want

[@adrianafamilymember6427]

This is what is called self worth and knowing how to negotiate.

[@kolacao8134]

What do you do?

[@z7sk]

@@kolacao8134 probably engineer at Microsoft. Get paid 300k to work ~4-5 hours a day.

[@armorbearer9702]

In other words, work smarter not harder.

[@DaRKWizaRdGaming0]

I remember finding r/antiwork when it had like 100k people in it. Joined it up and I agree with it to a point. People should work and we need people to work. However you def should have safe conditions and a liveable wage. Work sucks sometimes and that should be ok. What if shouldn’t he is toxic

[@heavymetalelf]

This is a fantastic way to put things in perspective! I spent my 20s being loyal to the companies I worked for and being thrown under the bus by them at a moment's notice. I'm nearly in the same spot as the person commenting they're turning 38. I'm turning 39. This is an eye opener!

[@Yavin4]

Work in of itself has no real value other than conditioning you to subjugate yourself to someone else. Work is something that should provide ever increasing value to you over time. That value should be both monetary and career development. If you're doing the same work for the same or less pay, then you're on the road to becoming obsolete. Work should provide value to yourself and the world at large.

[@ZelphTheWebmancer]

This is why I'm in favor of a distributed wealth system, with the goal of providing a income floor for people. Now, I'm not an economist so all of this will be based on my layman's understanding, but I'm sure people more educated than me could make something that actually works. The idea is so the government supplements the income of people that needed, so for instance, if you don't work and your income is of $0 than the government will pay you $1000 a month to help you financially, but if you get a job that pays you $800/month than the government will pay only $200 to make sure you are getting at least 1k/month, and of course if your income is equal or higher than 1k/month they don't pay you anything. The actual values would depend on a multitude of variables, and the pay (being per hour/month/year) would also vary depending on what would work best, but I like the idea of having a floor where people can have at least *some* financial security so even if it's not enough to live without work forever, at least it can help pay some of the bills between works or if the person becomes unable to work.

[@SerifSansSerif]

I want a reduced work week. 30 hours a week, 5 -6 hour days, and have labor laws to cap most jobs at around that. The idea is more shifts, less working ourselves to death, etc. It's not like jobs aren't trying to get away with 35 hour work weeks to avoid insurances that ce with full time labor, or trying to push for everyone to be a "freelance" independent contractor to escape any and all labor costs at all. My problem with anti-work is that it pushes the idea of entrepreneurship, which is just funneling more people into "freelance" which is just slave labor with the added benefit of paying your employer's taxes while pretending that you're "free".

[@bobo-uv9ls]

you missed the point. productivity is through the roof while wages and standard of living have gone backwards to the point our ancestors had higher standing of living (owned properties).

[@simaancheno]

Yes, so we are more productive than ever, yet we need two incomes and long work hours to survive. Apparently very few understand this fraud.

[@aznpwnerp]

I really like your point about thinking about yourself as a company. I basically try to see my salary as not something to spend, but as capital to invest in assets. You want to minimize the spend (housing, gas etc) to the extent you can so you have more cash to deploy elsewhere. It's also why I try not to get too upset about working in a boring, well paid job since my goal from working there is mainly the income stream.

[@Spectacurl]

This is literally my mind set since I left a company where I was overworked

[@clubbizarre]

Damn how do you work 80h a week? Like materially, how? When? For how long for how much? I do about 50+ and it's more than enough to me

[@JKSSubstandard]

There's another side to the antiwork movement which is the forward thinkers. We are reaching the point where we need to start planning for a second industrial revolution. An industrial revolution that will replace 80+% of the workforce with AI, robots and machines. The other half of antiwork supports the concept of preparing for and implementing that revolution as soon as possible. A future where farms double efficiency with no farmers, trucks double their loads with no truckers, bridges design themselves with no engineers, and every retail job on earth is replaced by a robot. Figuring out what economy and life looks like when work isn't mandatory anymore. Where the mechanics who keep our machines running and programmers who make ai work do so as a side hobby or out of interest rather than a necessity

[@saturationstation1446]

i wish people would stop saying we can automate labor with robots. thats so insanely unrealistic. for one, if that was possible, it would have already been done and the working class would have been slaughtered (not hyperbole). there isnt enough resources to make that many robots and there isnt sophisticated enough robotics to even begin to try that. a human is very complicated and has more range of motion. thats not something that we can really replicate well enough to replace us. the only things AI should replace are office jobs and those kinds of things. things that dont really need to be done by humans because they are all done in the 2nd dimension/digital space. automating those is VERY realistic but that doesnt require armies of robots lmao.

[@Demopans5990]

@@saturationstation1446 Wait until you see the developments in the machine learning fields. We already have prototype AI that can write code for you, and computer vision system that work well enough in real time. It is only a matter of time before someone puts the pieces together, and more to make it widely accessible

[@richardesponja693]

I work as a salesman on the phone,l. The job was so stupid, but the bonuses were so good, I didn't even complained, but when they saw they're paying way to much, they paid less and less, and the expectations were the same. I was really angry, because at the end you even had problems with your targets, because the goals where so high. People are more and more used as a tool and they eveb give you this feeling, while the money is worth less and less. I saved a lot of money, but I can't afford my own house in my city. The whole economy is a joke rn

[@johnl.7754]

I think the anti work movement corresponds with declining marriage and children since when you just need to take care of yourself it becomes much easier decision. Work has most of the time in history been unfulfilling BUT your family or extended family made it worthwhile to grind it out to have status within the group.

[@lukahribovsek5563]

true and also social media showing 15 year olds selling jpeg for 400k kinda contributes to this.

[@johnl.7754]

@@lukahribovsek5563 and men and women has become more picky/unsatisfied after seeing pretty and wealthy people online which most won’t be able to reach so many just give up.

[@Yavin4]

@@lukahribovsek5563 Excellent point. Imagine putting in the work to become a surgeon, years of schooling, mountains of debt, the stress of passing exams, etc. only to see Bitcoin holders, Tik Tok content creators, and NFT hustlers all make millions even though they haven't even gone to college.

[@lukahribovsek5563]

@@Yavin4 exactly!

[@vojtechstrnad1]

@@Yavin4 Except those who have made millions on NFTs are outliers. You don't hear about those who lost money on it, sometimes their entire life savings. Your surgeon should be happy that he didn't try to go this path, not envy those who gambled and got lucky.

[@argeus3639]

I think you strayed from the anti-work movement concept a lot

[@jokermage]

Yes this seemed to be more of a way to promote his "think of yourself as a company" idea than a real discussion of the antiwork movement.

[@earthling_parth]

Thinking of oneself as a new company is one of the best perspectives I've ever heard about work life.

[@lachlanraidal5100]

Analyses a collective movement, comes to an individualist solution. Point was missed by mere millimeters on this one.

[@tonywalters7298]

I think it should be stressed there is a difference between "work" and "labor", with work being a broad category of activities required for for personal or social sustainability, and "labor" is any action done by leasing your time to build wealth for someone else in exchange for credits to support your personal work.

[@Ivanfpcs]

Companies aren't our friends, they will pay us the minimum we will accept and expect the most we can, we can have more power with unions so we are payed fairly and treated with respect.

[@treibiont1825]

I prefer the FIRE movement over the Anti-work movement because FIRE movement is based off hard work and abusing the system while anti-work just complains about the system and most of the people there are stuck in low paying jobs.

[@enhancedutility266]

Same and minimalism and Van life and coordinated purchases of consumer goods and hurt the bottom line of companies that don't offer adequate wages and compensation

[@jerrytan798]

the anti work movement needs to push for more pro union and pro labour organizations, organize themselves into movements that can sponser pro labour politicians

[@johnl.7754]

Now with higher inflation and low or negative investment returns FIRE movement might only have a chance to work without children for most people

[@minedgravy380]

@@jerrytan798 It had a good chance but then that mod did the interview. Before they did it people where begging them not too, it was a trainwreck

[@treibiont1825]

@@johnl.7754 as a single person without children and a high saving rate it is still possible if you're comited but it definetly isn't as wildly accessible

[@Dexter01992]

I think one of the main sentiments about "hating your job" is this constant trend of workplaces to put toxic people on management that are often there to fuel their own ego rather than focusing on making a functional work environment. The factory I'm in since 5 years switched soon after I joined to this guy that came out of nowhere (nepotism?) and soon after everyone was hating him as all he was doing was yelling at people to solve issues rather than telling them *how* to solve issues as his job was supposed to be, well, management. He proved in more and more occasions that he had no idea what he was doing, but dare to suggest him something to improve everyone's environment. He recently left as he got offered a place elsewhere that pays even more (who the hell keeps thinking hiring these people is a good idea!?), and the second in command, a much younger guy that now took his place, is making a lot of positive difference. Things are asked firmly but politely and people are more likely to comply. In return we get to order better equipment if we prove it is a necessity for improving productivity. I asked if I could do part time (I'm 6 months into a patreon as illustrator and it's going well) and while higher rank couldn't grant it due to other issues, this guy supported me as much as he could. 6 months ago I was "this much" from quitting abruptly with no regrets because of the previous manager. Now I'm kinda sad I'm leaving (in a serene deal with Human resources) in a few months as the place is showing real improvements in the general mood of the workplace. Fight to get selfish, toxic, incompetent managers out of the way. They are ruining everything for everyone alike, and them leaving truly improve quality of life.

[@hidesbehindpseudonym1920]

I've just been working from home, maybe for 5 hours a day at a leisurely pace in a little cost of living area in. It's been pretty nice. I think I could do it well into old age.

[@bryantgutierrez9191]

I spent my 20’s to serve a company that replaced me the day I finally had enough. I learned, mastered and helped this manufacturing company save money, increase productivity in new hires, and open a dialogue between floor and engineering (they hated that haha!). I was constantly ridiculed, yelled at by a certain bitch, and Severely! Undertrained by these same people. It was soul honor to do them right, work hard and learn, and be only a complete asset to these engineers. They never cared, they never liked me, i was a joke to them. 90% of the time, I was certain I was only hired to be a diversity statistic in a only in a all white-male staff I was in. I superseded them. I was the master of Inventory management. Every department depended on me afterwards. I did not once abuse my power, I held my truth of being a asset it to them in all that time. Despite that, I was still abused by that bitch and looked down on by my engineering superiors. They replaced my control with a new program. I gave up. I drifted day by day, and slept at work. There was no point in me being there. HR finally got involved. I vowed a change when I had a new manager which was a former friend. Nope, I caught her one day from a quick bathroom run with all the engineers by her say’s how I wined like a baby about sitting arrangements. I stayed Loyal for 8 years. No more. No raise after changing so much of my attitude, work habits, and performance after HR got involved ment nothing after 1 year of improvement. The next day after turning in my letter by my supervisor. “I heard, sorry to hear you go, here is this guy, train him you’re job before you go” . I spent 1 day with him, i used my vacation to side him till my 2-weeks were up. I learned my lesson.

[@scottmescudi3423]

Side him ?

[@lucasfox4485]

Spent a year at a car dealership working 85-90 hours weekly. Sold a lot of cars but hated myself the entire time. So glad to have gotten out of that industry without wasting my life away

[@Vedrajrm]

They didn’t work and couldn’t be rich Why should they be allowed to retire? I’m talking specifically about the fun going out party people

[@HelenLannister]

Ironically, I’m watching this video at work :P

[@braydenrawson1861]

same

[@johnsamuel1999]

Same

[@shadeaquaticbreeder2914]

Why do I feel like I didn't hear anything about people being upset that the corporations are effectively cutting their pay many times over? Like UAW workers got $48/hr and they are still making a lot of money off of them while still spending stupid amounts of money on things that should never be spent on like lobbying and marketing to the extent it is in some areas as well as meaningless bs jobs like HR and other office stuff that has no real purpose. That's about big thing, purpose. I didn't hear that either.

[@Primitarian]

Humanity has been building civilization for at least 2,500 years, and we still feel the need to work people 80-90 hours week? Is progress truly impossible for this species? How about being pro-work, but work with a purpose, with such purposes to include not merely advancing a corporation, but advancing a citizen, and his or her country, family, education, physical health, spirituality, etc.?

[@phoenixrising4995]

Most of these "jobs" are busy jobs now. Back then it took along time to do things by hand. I mean building stadiums and cities like the Romans did. Now we mostly just input data on a screen geez what a life.

[@muhammadabdullahhanif8860]

I just realize that you never make a video about UBI. I heard some rumor that even Milton Friedman think the concept has some good ideas behind it. It would be very informative to know your opinion on UBI.

[@davidduston1611]

So, assume this society must function, therefore, objectify yourself. This video focuses on what work is, frames that within the controlling assumptions of this social imperative, and concludes by dismissing the question of who is doing it. My response, work is fine but why we do it here is wrong because we need to put people first. I'll speak for myself in that my anti-work philosophy is less anti-capitalist than anti-imperialist. Conflicting economic systems is a distraction from the conflict of our social system. This system is a social pathology, but colonized minds have blind spots that make it hard to perceive. There are humane ways for us to live. Reacting to this social disease by becoming self-serving is easy and defensive, but we need to do the hard thing and change how we relate to each other. Not as companies or opponents, that's vanity, using symbols to protect our vulnerability as a living being. However, things move in cycles and I don't see this cycle ending in my lifetime, still, I will imagine how sweet it could be to overcome.

[@00ipodman00]

This is the most enlightened centrist take I've ever seen, you barely even focused on any of the points of the movement, yeah it's easy to dunk on vocal idiots on Reddit. But at the core the ideas are that modern labour is completely disjointed from production, bullshit jobs, lack of worker freedom, no worker protections, insanely low wages, useless management, unending growth, ect. It's about working for a purpose and not working because you have no choice but to work. You chose to work 80 hours a week and probably made buckets of money doing it, and i don't think there's really anything wrong with that but most people who work that much don't have a choice and are doing it just to get by.

[@THETHIRDL2009]

Honestly for me it's less about the work and more the fact that now most of the jobs previously offered are tedious and irrelevant and a lot of jobs create medial tasks to push the narrative of minimum wage by creating borderline do nothing jobs and then calling people lazy for taking said job that's being offered for pennies opposed going to school because they pushed that ideal that college is importand than raised it to extreme levels of expensive. Why would people feel passionate about working if those job don't give people passion of accomplishment or achievement. We have developed so far as a species in the form advancement of technology and science that the same automation progression people have feared have done just that, and have made it so a lot people don't have to work.

[@موسى_7]

Forget passion. People cannot afford cost of living.

[@THETHIRDL2009]

@@موسى_7 Being poor or not having and not being able to afford thing doesn't really have much to do with what you're passionate about .

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@موسى_7 exactly fuck passion, paycheck come first

[@THETHIRDL2009]

@@phoenixrising4995 Did you miss the point of the video or my response? Like passion wasn't even the focal point of the point i was making. lol but I'll bite. Passionate people tend to produce better results which in turn is a pretty good bargaining chip for when your evaluation comes up i.e. a better pay check. However better pay comes with being competitive. Notice how I didn't saying hard work their not synonymous. Especially in an economy that has very little upper mobility for a vast amount of the work force. If it's just about a pay check for you It's fine if you have a job you're not passionate about, but if you're not out performing or have better work ethic than the person who is passionate than they're going to get that paycheck you want.

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@THETHIRDL2009 I was passionate in the past and I actually worked damned hard, I increased sales by 50% and helped reduce costs over 25-30% and didn't get promoted. You know who did, it was the Karen who didn't show up on time 3 out of 5 days a week and wasn't producing anything of value other the managing departments management. Oh well so be it. From that point on I learned a valuable lesson of not giving that 50% extra cause it ain't worth shit at the end of the day other than stress.

[@man8dude]

Did I miss the content in this one? I don’t feel like this video was truly about anti work

[@LightPink]

I still don't know what anti work actually is

[@davidebic]

@@LightPink This wasn't a video about explaining what the movement is about. It's about his interpretation of it.

[@jokermage]

@@davidebic I got this feeling too. It feels like he just used the topic to lead into his "think of yourself as a company" idea which should have been its own separate video.

[@divinelycreated4him]

I can’t wait to quit my job!!! 😢

[@DevelopmentRobco]

"the world's burning around us, and I'm literally stacking packages overtime for Amazon and asking like a slave if I can go to the bathroom only to still be living with my parents." Pretty much sums up all of generation z

[@Gunflame]

Like Jay Z said, "I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man"

[@leylanyfigueroa2783]

Anti work is a misnomer and a way for companies and employers to shift the blame on workers. It's anti exploitation and slavery we are against.

[@Akash.Chopra]

Not a single piece of useful information in this video. Just a bunch of well known generalities strung together in a semi-coherent fashion.

[@karibui494]

It's not about having to work. It's about having to work in useless soul crushing jobs in terrible conditions for sub-livable wages. Just so a billionaire can buy a new island. It's about fair compensations and jobs that actually contribute to society.

[@timbomb374]

Stress isn't worth the money tbh. Boredom however is worth the money. Stress follows you home. Boredom doesn't.

[@yurigadaisukida4457]

i studied ABA to become an RBT and one of the techinques used to stimulate learning in children with autism was the token system. but the token system works on normal kids and adults too. one of the things psychologists discovered is that once kids go negative (though being bad) they no longer have the motivation to be good (and earn more tokens.) this is because they perceive it as not a gain because they will still be negative or working towards zero. This same psychology works on adults in the real world and explains the symptoms of late stage capitalism. its not that we dont want to work, its that the work isnt fulfilling. If we are working just for rent, bills, and debt, it feels like slavery, but if that money is going towards stocks, things we want, or a house, it feels fulfilling, even if the pay is the same

[@onetime3137]

Could u tell me about your job in detail if u have the time. Pros cons $$ etc..thinking about Ava or accounting. Not sure yet and I’m 44 lol.

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@onetime3137 accounting is a 5-8 year venture before you touch actual accounting. Plus a lot of the Junior level stuff is being automated now unless you take a public sector position. Not worth it as a pivot at 44 if you want to be a CPA that is.

[@onetime3137]

@@phoenixrising4995 what about aba ?

[@yurigadaisukida4457]

@@onetime3137 ABA is extremely stressful and underpaid. its also dangerous and high liability unless you really just care about the kids that much go with accounting

[@stephenskinner7207]

I think you hit the nail on the head. This was the best analysis of anti-work I have ever seen. With one exception: the idea that work sucks. Well, maybe it does in most cases, but it doesn’t have to in itself.

[@techguy651]

Treating your career as a business is a good reminder of how our employers see us. It’s all about maximizing revenue (income) while minimizing expenses (overhead costs and time). Once you have enough to pay your bills and save for hard times, stop working and enjoy your life. Life is short and our time with others is limited.

[@ElectricEdgeAi]

I am tired of working my A** off, and only making someone else rich.

[@nickduggan3084]

Sounds like the “lying flat” movement of china

[@shram86]

Not a bad video but you also should have quantified that all "hours" of work are not equal. You may have had 70 hour workweeks when you were "working", but those hours include mostly sitting. 70 hours of construction labor, or even retail labor (where you are forced to be standing and interact with strangers on a constant basis), is something entirely different. You also didn't state the most important bit: #antiwork is about fairness.

[@TJL2010]

Never heard of the anti work movement until now. I’m on board!! I like working with a purpose and to be appreciated for work completed. It’s just something about getting recognition I like.

[@Septimus_ii]

I don't think HMW's interpretation of the anti-work movement is very widespread. The core of the movement is much more hardcore than this. HMW's vision is very positive and much broader than the anti-work movement - it's somewhat similar to nearly every workers rights movement.

[@jokerpilled2535]

You’re late to the party but glad you’re on board! People need to realize they deserve more than what corporations are willing to throw us.

[@asdf09er]

@@Septimus_ii Absolutely. OP would be called a brown noser by AW people.

[@calebmckean3546]

Ive been doing it for years. I liked it so much I made it permanent.

[@KingUnKaged]

More like "How Money DOESN'T Work"! AmIRight?

[@tattletalestrangler8084]

I really don't get it about all these anti work movement. If we all just stopped working how are we going to feed and shelter ourselves? Some may answer that jobs should be given to robots or technology or some other stuff. But at this point of time that scenario is impossible, probably in hundred of years or maybe in thousand of years that might be possible. With the current technology it's just not possible, and if it's possible what about the third world countries how are we going to afford it?

[@douglaslarsen162]

@@tattletalestrangler8084 anti work just means that survival shouldn't be 100% on working, some work is not seen as payable and some is deemed low value. The point is, if you want to work then work but a hard coded, everyone must work 40 hours on a job they must have a college degree on, it's not only, not working but it's showing not to be sustainable. Do you know that before westernized ideology, not everyone worked, and most didn't even work a lot(40 hours a week) and things still got done

[@CFlandre]

@@tattletalestrangler8084 At the heart of it, at least from my perspective, the anti-work movement is not about ending work entirely (as you mentioned it's impossible to keep our standard living without work), but rather about addressing the incentives to find work in an environment that compensates employees little in comparison to their local standard of living. If you cannot make work profitable, why would anyone do it?

[@ohmyrage]

I always thought of myself in partnership with a company even when i was really just an employee. Once I jumped ship into my business I already had a proper mindset, do what’s “best for the company” translated into do what’s best for my business

[@brad27713]

If I had a million dollars, I would sit on my ass all day...I would do nothing.

[@serenitycoastUK]

I work 6 days a week and 70 hours a week. I have no time and I still can't get afford a home. Where's the motivation when the house prices go up more than your income. Did AI take your job?

[@RedEyeification]

I work hard = i can't buy a house. I do not work hard = i can't buy a house. Why should i work anymore ?

[@donaldlyons17]

Right!!!

[@PaulThomas-qb9cx]

"Anti-work" just needs a brand re-fresh. People want respect, stability, flexibility, opportunity, and purpose. Tailor to that. Industry could actually capitalize on this, and make their employment positions desirable to get better talent.

[@chantalreneehayles7976]

That would involve paying people more and actually seeing employees as people.

[@ravenRedwake]

3:12 oh that troon is the exact stereotype you’d expect. Philosophy teacher indeed.

[@MickyAvStickyHands]

We need to step back and look at the timeline. This only exists b/c labor markets have been flooded for decades beginning with the rise of women in the workforce. Labor was abundant and capital (interest rates) were cheap. It's no coincidence that interest rates and labor are both being disrupted at the exact same time. Your children have a much higher chance at having a good paying job in the future (unlike millennials), BUT starting a new business is going to become VERY difficult bureaucratically and financially.

[@Roccofan]

I really want universal income to become reality. We need to get the lazy people out of the equation. You want to sit around and do next to nothing? Fine, here’s $1000/month and your little apartment. If you want to be/do more than that, cool, but for those who don’t, stay the F out of the way. With that in place, I can finally get rid of 60% of the resume’s that flood my inbox.

[@tattletalestrangler8084]

@@terrorist_nousagi8747 1000 a month is like 8 times my monthly wage wth

[@nicholaspurcell2433]

It’s a great idea in theory but assuming you are American we don’t have the tax dollars/revenue to make it a reality. 200+million Americans all receiving a thousand dollars a month….

[@RealEstateAndLandlordNews]

So you think that the solution to lazy people is giving people money and free housing? All that will do is create more lazy people.

[@johnl.7754]

Then you will need to work harder/longer

[@mochiboi5686]

Maybe not even a grand a month. Provide basic needs like food, clothing, water, and shelter, then maybe some basic cable and internet. Leave luxuries for ppl who work, therefore incentivizing people to go out and do so.

[@Val1414_]

Great video. you've remind me of what someone once said❤️ "The mind is the man, the poor is in it and the rich is it too". This sentence is the secret of most successful investors. I once attended similar and ever since then i been waxing strong financially, and i most tell you the truth...

[@jerbear7952]

spammy bullshit

[@stapleman007]

The first anti-work person I met was at a job in 2000. He had to pay child support, so he took the fewest hours and lowest wage position he could, while still technically being employed.

[@bagery]

My bro is doing this exactly. And while I know it sucks, can't be too shocked his now teenage kids have zero respect for and refuse to give him the time of day.

[@taylorsps12]

thats someone abusing the system. that is not what anti work movement is about at all.

[@guru47pi]

Exactly! My whole career thus far, I've thought of myself as "a corporation of 1." Thinking this way makes it much easier to go negotiate, to leave if I know I can find somewhere better, and most importantly, to ID the best way to market myself and ID things I need to do to improve my product (which is me).

[@sprocketus]

Mate, the last scene with Lebowsky was absolutely holerious. Love your content, thank you for your effort

[@cavemanstyle1376]

I used to absolutely hate work because I basicaly felt like a slave even though I had a good paying job and in- demand skills. After I took an economics class and understood the free market better I shifted that view to "I am the seller of my services, my work is the buyer of those services. If I'm not happy with my arrangement I need to either take steps to modify or else start selling my services to another buyer. Either way it is my decision." My attitude is actually way better now, and I still work at the same place!

[@lacijohnson400]

Same! It’s easier to climb the corporate ladder with that mindset. Good luck

[@cavemanstyle1376]

@@lacijohnson400 Ha thanks. I don't want to climb the corporate ladder but I know that this job is a great opportunity to shove away a lot of money to give me more options later. I figure anything I can tell myself to make it more tolerable will be advantageous in the long run.

[@lacijohnson400]

@@cavemanstyle1376 yes I I understand. I used to hate my work, but I changed my mindset and started learning new skills. Got a bunch of recruiters contacting and I was able to get amazing opportunities, coming for big tech right now!

[@chibonchibon3967]

Should be called anti worker exploitations but yes anti work is more catchy . I already demolished the exploitation on my company but still need some profit to make it perfect.

[@23093034]

It sounds similar to the Chinese idea of Lying Flat, where you only work to pay the minimum needed to survive and enjoy the rest of the time in any way you wish.

[@Yasmine91646]

They should just call the subreddit “anti-overwork” instead of the silly name “anti-work” to avoid all the unnecessary confusion.

[@idiotengineer3925]

This is well timed. I just got my first engineering Job out of school and I moved to a different state to get it. I'm planning on staying here about 3 years then quitting and moving back home, taking 6 months off for hiking the pacific crest trail before I try and get my second job. My friends and family think I'm ungrateful and dumb for already planning to leave a place with such good benefits

[@maximumeffort6049]

I would really like to think all these worker shortages are stemming from people finally realizing they have value and they are just as important to the company as the company is to them. Now to get employers in that mindset would be ground breaking.

[@NotShowingOff]

Whenever ppl criticize “anti-work” and take it literally I ask what about “right to work”

[@naddarr1]

It's not that people don't want to work but that they see no reason to work. Can't say I blame them, for the average American they literally work all month long and gain no ground. I wouldn't be motivated to work either if I knew I was never going to own a house or retire both of which have been priced out of reach for the average American. If we don't give actual value to Americans for their work then they won't work, sure they may show up to a job but they won't really contribute anything meaningful. In other words the carrot on the stick for American workers has been removed over the last couple decades and especially over the last few years. Also yes their really is a legitimate labor shortage that everyone knew was coming with the retirement of the baby boomers.

[@GhostOfSnuffles]

There isn't an anti-work movement among employees as much as there's an anti-pay one on the companies side. I get that Bidenflation is hitting everyone these days but if you don't pay your employees enough to at the very last get by then they won't work for you. Calling them entitled and lazy after the fact also doesn't help.