As a Captain, the First officer isn't a subordinate, he is or she is your best asset.
@elite763 жыл бұрын
Did you just call me an "it"? :P
@iAPX4323 жыл бұрын
@@elite76 my apologize: English Third Language, and sometimes...
@The_Original_forresttrump3 жыл бұрын
Not in India or Pakistan.
@Aris-tc9qy3 жыл бұрын
@The fastest milkman in the West A captain shouldn't berate and degrade a first officer for over an hour
@Kira71303 жыл бұрын
@The fastest milkman in the West am glad those types of captain dies early and open more jobs thx
@thelatiosmaster2 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of accidents that really piss me off: everyone died just for one single man thinking to be superior to everyone. What a stupid waste of lives!
@citizenkane23492 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Pakistan!
@jostmathe2 жыл бұрын
another version of the crash, it shows more things kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZvSqKeNdrSNj5I
@sadababyyyyy_2 жыл бұрын
VERY DUMB
@billmartin40932 жыл бұрын
@@citizenkane2349 It has nothing to do with countries mate. Similar accidents happen elsewhere too, in various manners, such as Germanwings, where a pilot deliberately crashed a jet or an Italian airline.
@PanGalacticGargoyleBlaster2 жыл бұрын
@@billmartin4093 you are correct, and with so much racism around it is a very fair point to make - but I will say that I have read a bit about this case and heard from a few pakistani people and even people from nearby areas that share some particular cultural similarities that this may have had a lot to do with the culture surrounding authority and seniority. Just something to consider, although this is not really my place to be saying as I am neither pakistani nor surrounding, but where I grew up in asia I saw a some of it. It is a kind of expectance for devout and unquestioning reverence for seniority and authority (often the two are even interchangeable). It would be interesting to hear more about this and in depth from people who can speak on it.
@Majima_Nowhere3 жыл бұрын
What pisses me off the most, is that the captain died thinking that it was the plane's fault, not his.
@jamesoncurry52242 жыл бұрын
i think he knew it was himself... but was too arrogant to admit it.
@mofleh1772 жыл бұрын
Or probably the hill's fault, what were they doing there anyway?!
@paradoxvalestein91182 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? It was obviously the mountain's fault. Why would it stands in his way of flight???
@Yesnt00732 жыл бұрын
@@paradoxvalestein9118 You've never been on an airplane or watched the entire vide
@Bangtanatrash2 жыл бұрын
@@Yesnt0073 there’s this funny thing called sarcasm
@MilitaryNetwork3 жыл бұрын
First officer of this flight was a retire F16 pilot from the PAF, a very polite and humble soul known in his squadron. He took early retirement after some medical issues, but he was a brilliant fighter pilot and in Pakistan,if you make it to the F16s, you are simply best of the best. This captain however had no military background and was exactly as described
@sriranga99072 жыл бұрын
The first officer is equally responsible as he was not opposing the captain and gone along with most of captains decisions. This made the second opinion worthless and lead to crash.
@khalid_tahir2 жыл бұрын
CAPTAIN fault
@xeldinn862 жыл бұрын
Now he took a permanent retirement into the side of the mountain
@virginiaviola5097 Жыл бұрын
Obviously the Captain felt intimidated by having a real pilot sat next to him, and dealt with it in the worst possible way.. by pulling rank and not accepting that his right seat colleague wasn’t his subordinate to be dominated but his back up system. It is so sad that the second officer was such a humble man, and allowed this knucklehead to fly not just him but an entire plane full of people way off course and into a mountain. One should really consider the co-pilot to be the passenger’s advocate.. that the safety and the well-being of the plane and the passengers is ultimately in their hands when they can see that the Captain is screwing up, giving them the courage to take charge. I’ve seen a few accidents where the SO has made a critical observation to the PIC only to have it brushed off or ignored. I can’t quite fathom how it must feel to just sit there and accept death when it was within your ability but not your authority to avert it.
@SukhdevSingh-ge5rj Жыл бұрын
Perhaps this explains the one hour of berating. The captain knew that his co-pilot was a former F16 pilot. He had to re-inflate his ego. 👎👎👎👎😡😡😡
@mellownuance3 жыл бұрын
As a Pakistani, I would have never learnt it from within Pakistan. Thank You, love your work!
@prash1753 жыл бұрын
Guess what, as per report 90% of the Pakistani pilots posses fake license. They acquired them illegally. Few of them have been suspended as well but not everyone. Fly at your own risk btw. Better opt for another mode of traveling.👍
@cupofjoen2 жыл бұрын
Third world countries wouldn't want to learn it unless countries around the world start dissing them to embarrassment lack of logic and transparency.
@iftyrehman1572 жыл бұрын
@@prash175 I don’t think that comment does any justice because Pakistani pilots have taught the whole of Middle East and built their airforce from scratch. The likes of emirates and eithad were originally taught by Pakistani pilot. So please don’t make false statements.
@A.S.Bhullar36022 жыл бұрын
@@iftyrehman157 he speak about present situation of pakistan because in pakistan your minister accept this and everybody know in pakistan you have money then you buy certificate from schools college universities and diploma degrees colleges even your one minister said on national media degree is degree even its fake or real . And you said about tought middle east pilots at that time pakistan have experienced pilots which are pass out from western countries and they are real pilots . Just except that truth bro
@affan30952 жыл бұрын
@@A.S.Bhullar3602 I think Same is in other countries also
@dimitarivanov38173 жыл бұрын
Can we just say that the captain killed all people on board including himself with his arrogance?
@daveroche65223 жыл бұрын
Is it not possible that the captains arrogance in 'quizzing' the F.O. was his way of ignoring/disguising the fact that he knew his own knowledge of the aircraft and its systems was lacking/limited? Just speculating.
@notme2day3 жыл бұрын
The worst thing that can happen to you .. dying because of someone else's idiocy and arrogance.
@lucidonoccasion50123 жыл бұрын
Yeah that pretty much encapsulates it. Too bad there had to be other people on the plane with him.
@edinsoncavanirespector3 жыл бұрын
That captain shouldn't even have a grave. He killed everyone onboard. May he rot for eternity
@hariman77273 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@christosvoskresye3 жыл бұрын
I find it really frustrating that so many of these pilots, when things go wrong, keep turning knobs. Grab the yoke and fly the plane yourself! You can worry about why the autopilot wasn't doing what you expected once you're on the ground.
@rich77873 жыл бұрын
Amen to that!
@aarondynamics13113 жыл бұрын
He could have solved this so easily by disconnecting the autopilot, applying TOGA thrust and pulling full aft on the sidestick. On an Airbus the terrain escape manoeuvre really is that simple
@Morpheus-pt3wq3 жыл бұрын
Narcissists don´t take the easiest solutions, just as they don´t listen to anyone other than themselves. He took the most complicated way as to prove to his 1st officer and (which is more important) to himself, how professional and capable he is. In the end, he was the victim of is own ego.
@bobkile97343 жыл бұрын
2,500 ft just isn’t a good altitude for troubleshooting your autopilot.
@hack1n8r3 жыл бұрын
In an Airbus, it's not as simple as grabbing the yoke (side joystick, in this case), but yes, pilots absolutely should disconnect the A/P if the plane's automation isn't behaving as expected. The truth is that some pilots really don't know how to manually fly their bird. This is partly the reason why some automation-related accidents happen. The arrogant pilot was in reality a fool who made himself appear smart by demeaning others. People like him are a real danger to the safety of others, and it's their smugness that gets people killed. If I were assigned to fly with an arrogant dismissive captain such as this, I would refuse to fly with him and likewise raise concern for the safety of the passengers. So sad that those people perished at the hands of an arrogant idiot...
@blerst70663 жыл бұрын
First officer: You shouldn't do that. Controller: You shouldn't do that. Captain: How about I do anyway?
@nitehawk863 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4i4fXacf5eDfaM
@jacobrzeszewski65273 жыл бұрын
@@nitehawk86 XD exactly what I was about to comment.
@mauricedavis82613 жыл бұрын
Ahh, hubris raises its ugly head once again!!!🙏🛬😪
@jaywulf3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it is cultural. Any Pakistanis?
@Ishaqq_3133 жыл бұрын
@@jaywulf yes, I’m a Pakistani You think we are terrorists? Indeed, No one gives a fuck about what you think If it was an American pilot, you never would have said that.
@patrickdurham83933 жыл бұрын
I worked with a Master plumber who had that type of attitude. He got crushed to death by a bundle of cast iron pipe after telling an apprentice who'd just warned him about an overhead load to "STFU, if I want your opinion I'll give it to you!" I didn't laugh but I didn't cry either.
@terryofford49772 жыл бұрын
Well summed up, sadly however, there are a number of National Types whose very existence is based on the ALPHA 'maleness', an attitude which curtails any and all opposition to such a person's thinking, & attitudes,
@stellviahohenheim Жыл бұрын
and then everyone clapped
@patrickdurham8393 Жыл бұрын
@@stellviahohenheim The pipe weighed over 1500lbs and fell from 20 feet so there was no clapping involved.
@ura939010 ай бұрын
horrible situation, as much as we all are appalled by these types of insufferable people's attitudes and arrogance, its a horrific end for him, traumatic for those on site and a tragedy for a family who are blameless are bereaved by his aggression
@Redeemed_marine_699 ай бұрын
@@ura9390I’m a firm believer in karma. I think it’s a wonderful story.
@memesofproduction33 жыл бұрын
This culture of obsessing over seniority, asserting dominance and being the 'Alpha male' is a major problem in eastern countries.
@depalandepalan19113 жыл бұрын
agree
@terryofford49772 жыл бұрын
@@depalandepalan1911 Absolutely, some also of the Middle Eastern attitudes display also. But then look at what occurred when the Dutch KLM Skipper blasted off,sheer arrogance their was the world's worst on ground collision at Tenarife
@msi83112 жыл бұрын
I believe it’s called Confucianism
@tayyabkhan22289 ай бұрын
also in mexico!
@voroshilov39168 ай бұрын
@@msi8311you don't know anything about Confucianism. Call it arrogance.
@oxcart41723 жыл бұрын
"The main problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt!"
@gudboy22223 жыл бұрын
True
@androidemulator69523 жыл бұрын
..also look up "Dunning-Kruger effect" . .where people who think they are smart, but don't know how dumb/uniformed/clueless they really are.. .
@androidemulator69523 жыл бұрын
also the saying "There are no old, bold pilots.." Your either one or the other- very unlikely both..
@blotski3 жыл бұрын
I may use that quote. It's perfect.
@oxcart41723 жыл бұрын
@@blotski George Bernard Shaw!
@briangibbs37743 жыл бұрын
I believe that the crash was completely due to the captain's insufferable arrogance. In my personal experience, those most arrogant have the least reason to be so.
@smorris123 жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly
@Eric_Hutton.19803 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the line in the movie The Hunt For Red October when the one Russian submarine officer says to his captain, "You arrogant ass you've killed us all."
@Ronin46143 жыл бұрын
Well said, Brian.
@AlEtteso3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@rogeratygc78953 жыл бұрын
Very true. His bad character made him unfit for his profession or perhaps any other.
@Yoshi-sc2ln3 жыл бұрын
The captain actually ignored the GPWS warnings and the first officer, still couldn't believe that he didnt realize the situation he was in.
@YoMamasCasa3 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder if the captain was having some kind of stroke or other mental issue...
@Guntank3 жыл бұрын
@@YoMamasCasa More likely he was a fake pilot in the first place and was under the impression that the autopilot would do everything for him.
@ronniewall14813 жыл бұрын
@@YoMamasCasa CURIOUS AS WAS THIS THE NORM FOR CAPTAIN. IT DID SEEM LIKE A STRESSED INDUCED EVENT.
@YoMamasCasa3 жыл бұрын
@@Guntank is there a plethera of fake pilots out there? I was under the impression the humans flying the plane were licensed, certified, trained, experienced, etc.
@Guntank3 жыл бұрын
@@YoMamasCasa Depends on the location. Pakistan in particular had a serious problem with this just a year back where almost 1 in 3 pilots were revealed to have had fake licenses.
@Landrew03 жыл бұрын
Classic case of crashing the ship to prove you're the captain.
@Dani-it5sy3 жыл бұрын
This proves again that being good at memorizing facts when attending a university doesn't necessarily mean your are a smart guy. When something is not as described in the books he's totally helpless.
@nates57033 жыл бұрын
How does the "Terrain! Terrain!" warning not take precedence over literally everything else you are attempting to do?
@KiwiCatherineJemma3 жыл бұрын
I am not even a pilot of any sort, but even I know when you have one, indeed more than one "Terrain Terrain" warnings you go to maximum power and set flaps/ailerons etc for maximum climbing ability. A tragedy indeed. We're "lucky" that pilot only managed to kill 150-odd people. If he'd continued his career, he might have later flown the newer bigger jets with 300 to 600 people aboard.
@dmeemd77873 жыл бұрын
yeeeaaah.. 🤦♂️
@etherealessence3 жыл бұрын
Its fine, we're just getting a little close is all. We're totally fine. What's that mountain shaped cloud?
@pault19643 жыл бұрын
@@etherealessence what’s that goat doing on a cloud
@starwarzchik1123 жыл бұрын
My, these clouds are rocky today.
@enlightenment47153 жыл бұрын
This has roots much deeper. How did a person like that, totally incompetent as a pilot: cant turn or climb his ship-- (without even getting into his attitude), ever become one for an airline?
@jjuuyyttii3 жыл бұрын
I read a news report some time back about a fake pilot license scam in Pakistan. May be this guy is one of those who got in with a fake license or fake experience certificate or something of that sort.
@etherealessence3 жыл бұрын
I think this is a pilot that was skilled enough to fly under normal circumstances, and could very well have been a great pilot at one point, but he let complacency get the better of his skills. It happens with good drivers too.
@majorskies70913 жыл бұрын
@@jjuuyyttii the pilot deffo wasn't a fake license holder he was a senior captain aged 50 the license scandal was something dating only some years back. He just became too aragunt and aragont his judgment was definelty messed up.
@etherealessence3 жыл бұрын
@S J "There are no "normal circumstances" in an aircraft." This is nothing more than a pedantic statement. Normal circumstances is a common phrase with a common meaning close enough to ideal circumstances that the difference in verbage doesn't matter in the context of a comment on KZbin. "I think you meant to say..." No thanks. I'm perfectly capable of speaking for myself. Disagree with me if you want, but don't try correcting me in the most arrogant way. Especially when it's a pedantic correction
@tomklein99373 жыл бұрын
@@etherealessence i doubt that he ever displayed great flying skills. apart from the lack of judgment in planning his approach, he tried to “fly” the plane by fiddling with autopilot controls, even when the terrain warning had already sounded. even a mediocre pilot would have shut the autopilot off and gone to manual. avoiding mountains is pretty basic flying.
@johndue23663 жыл бұрын
In my working life as an electronic engineer, I have met people like the pilot: They have a limited to no understanding of their jobs and a very high self-esteem. On ground, these people are very dangerous. In a cockpit, they are deadly. They have a clinical diagnosis: psychopaths /JD
@mosesjh82723 жыл бұрын
Yes me too after i design a circuit diagram the lecturer told me wrong it doesn't work. So I bet with him and yes i won lol 🤣
@johndue23663 жыл бұрын
@@mosesjh8272 Dear sir, You just did not understand the point. Maybe you are just heavy in your head. -- Let me make it clear: This is about communication and specifically communication in a cockpit in an airplane with a lot of passengers about to take off from an airfield. That shouldn't be too difficult to understand, mr. Moses. If you have a problem with the above, I would suggest that you typed 999 on your telephone and found help somewhere.
@mosesjh82723 жыл бұрын
@@johndue2366 Oh wow Sorry if i offended you. God Bless take care
@Robidu19733 жыл бұрын
Either that, or it's narcissism. Although the reason is different, the problem remains the same.
@alansandybay2 жыл бұрын
@@johndue2366 Half knowledge+ ego = disaster
@talhathd3 жыл бұрын
this is so frustrating to see that first officer was powerless even when he knew death is coming
@jamesoncurry52242 жыл бұрын
He even called him sir, a few seconds from impact.
@xeldinn862 жыл бұрын
He wasn't powerless. He could have grabbed the controls and said "my airplane." Throttle up and pull the yoke back.
@MuhammadAwais-dm6un3 ай бұрын
@xeldinn86 tells alot abt how u have never worked under a senior.
@hassaanrauf43492 ай бұрын
Problem was his self confidence was obliterated and he didn't know what the captains reaction to that would be@@xeldinn86
@shazaibkhan78703 жыл бұрын
I remember, this was the most horrific crash of my time. It was such a heart breaking event, as all the Passengers and crew members died, only because of non proffessional attitude of the captain. Brother of my good friend died as well.
@chrisjoe36292 жыл бұрын
sad
@OZBarStories3 жыл бұрын
This accident beggars belief. I recall during my training with Virgin Airlines, it is an instant dismissal offence if any superior denigrates or doesn’t listen to a junior crew member for any suggestion. It was hammered in that even if a cabin crew member comes to the captain, the view must be considered always. Safety first. No room for ego in a plane. I just cannot get over this. How many times have planes crashed for no reason. Tenerife, this, and many others due to arrogance.
@UnstoppableEmpire3 жыл бұрын
Wasnt tenerife because of the radio communication not working well?
@aminckone.2 жыл бұрын
@@UnstoppableEmpire No, tenerife was caused by a arrogant Captain who took off without permission.
@mintymus2 жыл бұрын
And how do they define a superior that "doesn't listen?" The whole point of having a PIC is that they are supposed to be the most knowledgeable, capable, and experienced person on the craft, able to make critical split decisions in highly stressful and dangerous situations. Having a crew member make a bogus recommendation during a time where a split second decision needs to be made might be fatal. It's clear that in this case the Captain should not have been the Captain, he had insufficient skill, experience, and/or training. Your recommendation here would not have saved the flight.
@wildcatlh2 жыл бұрын
@@mintymus Look up Crew Resource Management, or CRM. The lesson from Tenerife was that the captain must be willing to listen to the others in the cockpit.
@mintymus2 жыл бұрын
@@wildcatlh How do you define if the Captain is "willing to listen to others in the cockpit?"
@ddichny3 жыл бұрын
I don't think the pilot's problem was "arrogance", I think it was the exact opposite. All of his actions match the behavior of someone who knew he wasn't capable of the job, but was trying desperately to conceal it. Other replies have mentioned that there's a problem in that country of people bribing their way into credentials they haven't properly earned. This pilot may have done so, and possibly paid for falsified records indicating that he had a lot more flight time than he actually had. He certainly didn't perform like an experienced pilot. The hour of berating the F.O. makes sense if the pilot had done or said something during takeoff that had caused the F.O. to express surprise about the pilot's ability, and the pilot had to "prove" he had experience lest he be exposed as an imposter. Trying to (twice) get permission to do a left approach makes sense if the pilot knew that the right approach was going to stretch his poor abilities but he could probably handle the simpler left approach. Having the F.O. set up nav points for the right approach makes sense if the pilot knew that he'd botch doing it manually. Brushing off the controller's suggestion makes sense if the pilot didn't know how to do what the controller was asking without exposing himself as a fool. Overreliance on the autopilot makes sense if most of his flying so far had been done via basic inputs to the A.P. for routine operations and letting the plane do the flying, and had little experience with manual flying. Failure to heed the F.O.'s repeated warnings makes sense if he was terrified that following any "correction" would be an admission that he didn't know what the heck he was doing.
@rabiaaslam31863 жыл бұрын
I agree completely..great psychology analysis...
@232K73 жыл бұрын
Damn man that makes a LOT of sense
@Robidu19733 жыл бұрын
You have provided the perfect description of a grandiose narcissist. This time, however, the narcissism turned out to be fatal.
@DysfunctionaI2 жыл бұрын
whoa lol
@FauZhee2 жыл бұрын
I think the simpler word could be... insecurity.
@Birdsneverfly3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I had lost a good friend on this same flight. He was flying back home with his sister. Both died. I still remember the dreadful news. It's monsoon season in July and on that day, we had very heavy rain and clouds were unusually low. Margalla hills is wher the plane crashed. Now we have a monument there with all the passengers names on it
@RScottLaMorte3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear of your loss, friend.
@whyilovemycats3 жыл бұрын
Oh how sad. I'm so sorry.
@rabiaaslam31863 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry...
@davecrupel28173 жыл бұрын
I hope the Captain's name is NOT on that monument.
@Birdsneverfly3 жыл бұрын
@@davecrupel2817 I don't really remember
@ParaglidingChronicles3 жыл бұрын
My friend was on onboard that flight and i always used to wonder what the reason for the plane crash was. There were even rumors that the plane was in the No fly zone area of Islamabad, hence shot down. Thanks for the clarification on the subject. Airlines should have strict rules and checks on mental health of Pilots. I lost a great friend to an idiot Pilots hand. SAD!
@phoenixlegend29219 ай бұрын
I am sorry for your loss , its truly tragic , an avoidable humongous loss of life
@AnoopVarmaPersonal2 жыл бұрын
There was a report that most of the Pakistani pilots are not eligible for a flight license. This must be the root cause of pilots like this.
@Hawker900XP3 жыл бұрын
I’m sure the captain’s tombstone didn’t read: “I told you I needed more training”
@MrNorthshoremc3 жыл бұрын
Dont make me laugh in all this sadness mate
@tomswift61983 жыл бұрын
The "pilot" must have been an imposter. He certainly was no pilot. This guy blew off the tower, blew off the first officer, didn't know how to work the autopilot, and, most obviously, didn't know how to fly. These were not subtle errors. He didn't know how to fly a f'n airplane.
@briant72653 жыл бұрын
I get a sense he was trying to cover up his own incompetence. It would likely have been really interesting if the investigation dug into how he got certified.
@fahadbutt36013 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. I was also offered by one of person after my high school cause I wanted to become pilot , I was offered to pay somewhat 5 million rupees to pass through flight school. Procedures sucked, and while many say they are improved, I refuse to believe.
@markusw78333 жыл бұрын
@@fahadbutt3601 So these fucking idiots would pass you through flight school for money? Were they assuming you'd fail later?
@kam701113 жыл бұрын
@@markusw7833 Sorry facts of life over here.
@restojon13 жыл бұрын
Look what came out after the recent crash of the PIA flight near Karachi, many PIA pilots flying on either fake or fraudulently obtained licences. It's just a fact of life over there, sadly.
@KrK0073 жыл бұрын
"You arrogant ass! You've killed us!" (Hunt for Red October) ... it seemed applicable here.
@thrashandburn102213 жыл бұрын
Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups!
@ashokiimc3 жыл бұрын
When was this said?
@thrashandburn102213 жыл бұрын
@@ashokiimc the soviet sub commander says it just before his own torpedo is redirected into his boat Edit: actually it may be the cartographer telling the commander or some interplay like that
@Arrowcosmosman3 жыл бұрын
Excellent, it is apropos for the moment... but I myself, would never ever be saying those words I would take over forcefully!
@thrashandburn102213 жыл бұрын
@@Arrowcosmosman not much time. Look up hunt for red October vs. Konovalov. The quote is literally the last second before Impact, ten seconds before the cut
@KhurramShahzad-id7qy3 жыл бұрын
My brother in law's cousin was on that flight, he was returning from a business trip from Karachi, and was about to get married in 3 months. It was a sad day.
@kashifkashi16693 жыл бұрын
Sad 😔
@phoenixlegend29219 ай бұрын
As an Indian, My condolences, such a tragedy, which was totally avoidable, take care
@shayanhasan22543 жыл бұрын
the thing is the first officer should have stood up for himself, he was an airforce pilot who flew f16s prior to being a commericial pilot
@johnstuartsmith2 жыл бұрын
It's not about "standing up for yourself." It's about creating teamwork and predictability, adherence to the established procedures, and maintaining a psychological environment leading to good decision-making.
@barrydysert29743 жыл бұрын
This captain was an almost unbelievably arrogant man supremely confident in his own abilities. That he belittled his co-pilot for an hour shows that he was as insecure as he was arrogant! He knew that he did not want to make the left hand approach that night. The further in he got the greater his cognitive dissonance became as each and every time his superior knowledge failed to produce the expected results. He blamed the plane. It wasn't him. He knew HE could fix this. It was his pride that was his undoing refusing all help. This is the only way his story was ever going to end. One wonders if a psychological evaluation was ever done on this man? Thank you. !:-) 🖖
@briant72653 жыл бұрын
I don't think he was supremely confident or that he refused to take advice because he thought he knew better. I think he was a terrible pilot who knew he couldn't handle it, and he was terrified of being exposed as such.
@Guntank3 жыл бұрын
Classic sign of a man who bought a fake pilot's license from a degree mill, solely relied on the autopilot to fly the plane for him thinking he'd be safe as long as the autopilot did everything, and spewed a whole bunch of nonsense repeatedly to hide that he had absolutely no real qualifications whatsoever. This is Pakistan, too, where 1 in 3 pilots apparently had fake licenses circa 2020.
@endoetz3 жыл бұрын
give a little power, and people will start act arrogant.
@repealsection230forbigtech43 жыл бұрын
@@Guntank Spot on that's exactly what I inferred too. The whole story clearly indicated that he didn't know how to land the plane with out computer assist. His aggression towards the first officer was to gaslight him to not scrutinize pilots own incompetence; arrogance is the companion of insecurity. A corrupt failed State like Pakistan has most of their pilots from fake schools. The EU had banned pia from flying into EU airspace.
@ilovepakistanitea13783 жыл бұрын
@@Guntank PIA had the fake license problem not airblue If you compare airblue with other carriers in pakistan it is one of the safest
@srednivashtar54323 жыл бұрын
The captain was certainly culpable, but so was the system within the company that put such a flawed individual in the left hand seat that day. Selection, training, recruitment and supervision should all have prevented that, but failed to do so. The aircraft, and the passengers and crew on it, were doomed long before it took off by the company senior and line management, as well as the person in charge.
@AB-ov1zm3 жыл бұрын
Air india overshot runway a few months ago reflected the same problem
@UncleKennysPlace3 жыл бұрын
Yes. There is no way that the captain became a boorish menace on this one day; other pilots had to have known.
@verabolton3 жыл бұрын
The western world is FULL of this kind of "captains", they are called managers and directors. They often drive big amount of people into the hillside, the only difference is that the "death toll" is not visible hence they are never hold accountable. Respect to the exemptions
@Rotuma12603 жыл бұрын
A bully captain can often hide his bad attitude from management. All the first officers who fly with him can see the problem but many are afraid to raise their concerns because management will label them “complainers.”
@Zestyclose-Big31273 жыл бұрын
This isn't relevant to what you're saying but I wonder if the captain actually sits in the right hand seat in Pakistan (like car drivers do).
@algermom13 жыл бұрын
Arrogance and abusive treatment has no place in a team environment. The captain didn't learn this lesson, and it caused his life, and innocent others as well. Tragic. Great presentation as ysual;; tganks!
@whyilovemycats3 жыл бұрын
How true. The team environment became a toxic environment. It's such a shame that the crew and passengers couldn't safely leave that toxic environment.
@nicholasschwarz71473 жыл бұрын
I work with somebody like this pilot. Arrogant, haughty, self assuming, conseded, doesn't follow orders from supervisors, can't show or tell him anything. His way is the right and only way. Fortunately we're not in the air but he's gonna get someone hurt
@BamboTV3 жыл бұрын
FO was polite and professional till the very end. What a legend.
@technologyandinnovation45863 жыл бұрын
Young guy took early retirement from Pakistan Air Force. He was US qualified and trained F 16 fighter pilot. As does the wingman, he did not assertively questioned the lead here; who was an idiot.
@godless2663 жыл бұрын
Headline: Arrogant pilot who berated his copilot doesn't know how to hand fly a plane and botches autopilot settings while aircraft heads for the hills.
@djdrastic13 жыл бұрын
Do pilots ever get shown videos like these during training to show what happens when ignoring your F/O or Tower Operator ?
@edwardrichardson55673 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Robidu19733 жыл бұрын
The only problem with that: You are going to reach mentally healthy people with that, but not narcissists. Since narcissists can never be wrong *cough* , why should they receive any input from others?
@trevrice4363 жыл бұрын
In all these situations the co-pilot should announce "my plane" and take full control for a go around,if he is wrong all they waste is a bit of fuel if he's right he saves the plane and all souls on board. ALL co-pilots should have this in them,never be intimidated by anyone in life as usually they are the incompetent part of the equation as here.
@andymath15233 жыл бұрын
You are completely correct , but crew resource management does try to put first officer in position were they can question Captains decisions and even take control . Really this should have happened on the landing brief when the captain decided to deviated from approved approach , but i suppose to captain being told how to do the approach was like being told to wear a mask
@andymath15233 жыл бұрын
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout The captain ignored correct approach procedure because he knew better so its really same as not wearing mask because you know better, procedures and rules are there for all our safety
@blah96053 жыл бұрын
There's a bit of culture at play here. Had the co-pilot even saved the situation, the captain likely would have used his influence to get the guy demoted or fired.
@andymath15233 жыл бұрын
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout Mask is to help prevent you spreading virus evidence proves this works , you ever seen open heart surgery performed without mask because studies show, it doesn’t do anything !!
@shitbird94293 жыл бұрын
@@andymath1523 That's to prevent wound infection though. A bacterial infection is a bit different
@SyedHassanTalal3 жыл бұрын
Even now, you can see the crash site on the margalla mountains, with the burned out area on the mountain while travelling on the margalla hills via road... such a painful reminder !
@mmughal3 жыл бұрын
😔
@AbdullahWaqar4542 жыл бұрын
I was 4 and a half years old when this happened. I was still unaware even though I lived in Islamabad. The Margalla Hills were a popular spot for my family and many others, I still remember the smell when I went there after the crash, absolute rotting stench and nothing esle. Put me into a phobia of planes for a long time after that. Great work on the vid!
@waqarulhaq94913 жыл бұрын
My cousin was a flight crew and she was on this plane when it came back to karachi from UK. Later this plane was enroute to islamabad from karachi. My cousin was not feeling well and she took a sick leave in karachi and against her substitute another flight attendent took her position.
@JasonFlorida3 жыл бұрын
Too bad though for the flight attendant that was on call. This is such a sad case
@YanDaOne_QC3 жыл бұрын
what's the name of your cousin?
@shahidashraf943 жыл бұрын
@@YanDaOne_QCI Was wonder, what you have to do with her name?:)
@YanDaOne_QC3 жыл бұрын
@@shahidashraf94 i know he's lying so as you can see he doesn't reply to my question, confirming my initial thoughts that he's a lying p.o.s
@edwardrichardson55673 жыл бұрын
What airline uses an Airbus A321 for U.K. to Pakistan?
@GregDickinson753 жыл бұрын
"Why won't this airplane turn left?" It shouldn't matter, grab the stick and *fly the plane*. If you're able, which this pilot certainly was not.
@budimpla3 жыл бұрын
Greg Dickinson, muito bem dito. "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate".
@charlotteinnocent87523 жыл бұрын
Yep he even tried to do the circling approach with autopilot, which is NOT what to do. I wonder if all his blustering and "quizzing" and other bullying was to hide his own incompetence? It seemed he didn't WANT to fly the plane?
@krashd3 жыл бұрын
@@charlotteinnocent8752 It is exactly what to do, he just messed it up monumentally. Jets are moving far too fast to try and follow a precise set of waypoints in a small area such as an airport perimeter, this is exactly why you plot the course with the nav and leave it to the autopilot until you are lined up with the runway and have a visual of it - then you take over.
@Sr.DeathKnight3 жыл бұрын
1970's pilots: "We lost the center engine and all hydraulic systems, we will have to fly and land the plane just throttling the left and right engines as our only controls available". 2020's pilots: "We lost the autopilot, now we go down because we don't have any means to control the plane". *Attach images of Chems.
@SpeedbirdNine93 жыл бұрын
I'd say that Captain had a "My way or the highway" personality
@sadiqjohnny772 жыл бұрын
The Captain was definitely to blame for this crash. The quetion is: why would a pilot, with 17000 hours, make such awful mistakes? The clue is his bad temper. That is a symptom of hypoglycemia, or low blood sugar--making situation awareness difficult. Another symptom is "tunnel vision" where a pilot is fixated on one thing and forgets everything else. After this crash, some of the older pilots who retired from PIA (as was this captain) were sacked and I was asked to train them back on to the 747. They told me how this captain had requested leave for that day as he was a highly religious person and wanted to fast on a holy day. He was given the day off but as another captain was not available he had to fly after spending the whole night saying prayers. My belief is that he was fasting, and that, coupled with being awake all night, gave him hypoglycemia. In this state he ignored all warnings. He could have easily eaten a good breakfast (or dinner) and fasted on another off day. When I was Chief Pilot Standards on DC-10s, I knew that the circling approach to runway 12 at Islamabad could be tricky. At 600ft above ground, manoevring in a large aircraft could be a problem. Cloud is rarely at a single height and an inadvertant entry into it would necessitate an immediate go around. So, in clear weather, with a calm wind, I practiced standard circling approaches, marking down on my apprach chart VOR angles and the DME readings. Using this method as a back up I made many approaches to runway 12 on DC 10s and 747s, in bad weather, with no problems. This was not breaking the rules as it was a back up and helped with situation awareness. I cannot understand why the captain wanted to make a right hand circuit--this would have put him on the wrong side for keeping the runway in sight in a low circuit--but then, if he was hypoglemic, his mind would not have been working. I am a firm believer in airline pilots keeping up their manual flying skills and used to fly manually whenever possible on line. My copilots did too. I NEVER bullied a copilot or flight engineer. Their voiced opinions could save all our lives!
@Robert_N3 жыл бұрын
I can just imagine my dad RIP who was a airline captain saying, "This captain is not fit to drive a horse cart let alone fly an A321".
@jmurray013 жыл бұрын
Shocking behaviour! We see that regularly with car drivers on the road, but expect more from an airline captain.
@love4ever0263 жыл бұрын
in an road accident (in most of the cases) u die immediately and u wont feel pain.. but in plane accident u get fried alive..
@cherie47442 жыл бұрын
Ik this is off topic but you have 69 likes
@jeep1463 жыл бұрын
I used to work with some of these arrogant pilots when I worked aircraft maintenance. I had nothing but disgust with them. After a while you get to know the pilots who knew what they were doing and the talkers who knew nothing.
@constanttraveler3 жыл бұрын
We give physicians and pilots God status and it often results in death. I was a truck driver and shared a hotel van with a flight crew. I got to the van first at the hotel and rode up front. After dropping the crew off at the airport, the van driver told me that he was surprised that the captain "allowed" me to stay in the front, his preferred seat in the van.
@breadtoasted22693 жыл бұрын
You see them as Gods? Ok
@constanttraveler3 жыл бұрын
@@breadtoasted2269 you received low marks in reading comprehension.
@Bwahahahaha13 жыл бұрын
I used to drive a shuttle that saw pilots several times a day. There were some nice guys but in general, a lot of captains were arrogant and absolutely wanted the front seat. 1st officers were almost always nice and friendly but captains are apparently above it. Trust me when I say there's a lot more arrogance going on than just this pilot.
@MrNorthshoremc3 жыл бұрын
In medical its one life at risk, in aviation its hundreds or more at risk in one silly mistake.
@CynthiaSchoenbauer2 жыл бұрын
Doctors demand the god status for sure. I can hardly stand it and try to knock them down a peg. Boy do they get mad!!! But what can they do to me? Not much for speaking up for the needs of the not-so-patient-anymore patient!
@MovieMakingMan2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe there weren’t glaring clues about the pilot’s behavior before this crash. Former crew members must have said something about this pilot’s mental instability and ego problems. So the airline must’ve known but did nothing. They killed 150 people.
@jostmathe2 жыл бұрын
another version here, it shows more things and has the CVR to kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZvSqKeNdrSNj5I
@stevencooke64513 жыл бұрын
The relationship between captain and first officer--and with flight controllers--is so crucial. I know some airlines have mandated policies to ensure equal status between captain and the rest of the crew. Clearly, in this case, the captain acted in an authoritarian manner and killed everyone on board as a result.
@TheRockprincess16973 жыл бұрын
The system maybe flawed and pilots can be egotistic but the small pp play of the captain is a major reason for this crash. Smh some people are just not good at being put on the spot. Also, piloting a plane is a team effort you don't discourage your team before doing anything
@paulmorgan82543 жыл бұрын
Agreed, watch the documentary about the Qantas A380 incident and how the crew plus some instructors (who were passengers) really pulled together to land at Singapore, the first officer was just going through all the alarms that had been flagged as there were so many.
@goldibollocks3 жыл бұрын
I like how in the end of the video you always show the plane landing safely. In some parallel universe, that’s exactly what happened!
@johnpatrick15883 жыл бұрын
Note to copilots. Your life plus the passengers' lives are always more important than a job. If certain the captain is a danger knock him out if necessary and take control. But you better be sure.
@amigan343 жыл бұрын
No, don't encourage that because either one of them could be wrong.
@paulstelian972 жыл бұрын
@@amigan34 Only when it becomes obvious -- here it ended up being obvious at some point.
@olivialambert41243 жыл бұрын
This is a common trait in medicine of that part of the world too. The teaching methods are almost bullying the med students into learning, they aren't allowed to think for themselves, they aren't allowed to ask questions, they just have to take it and do what the teacher says and learn exactly as this video demonstrates. That leads to the graduated doctors then doing the same thing, ignoring the comments of those below them (including the patients). Its interesting to see that same culture exists in other workplaces too. But with that in mind I don't think the captain was malicious with his teaching of the first officer, I would think he was trying to help teach him in the way he was taught. If I were to guess the problem may be cultural, and the culture of pilots may need to change in some areas to improve the safety of travel.
@rabiaaslam31863 жыл бұрын
If I'm not wrong the pilot had retired from PIA and had many many years of experience. After retirement, he started working for a Pvt airline. This plane was almost nine years old and in perfect condition. His first officer was a young retired fighter pilot of airforce. The pilot had severe inferiority complex and he used his arrogance as a means to demean his first officer. This is usually the" know it all" attitude of PIA pilots. They simply feel everyone is below them just because they got a job flying planes.. They're ,I feel ,not technically competent. PIA is a breeding ground for such pilots. They're unprofessional and a risk to everyone's lives.
@BillyAlabama3 жыл бұрын
You’re such a good storyteller. It feels as though you are a good friend, leaning over my shoulder while you point to and explain the pictures and why they’re important.
@Thiso763 жыл бұрын
What a great compliment
@frankfrimperton82663 жыл бұрын
Weirdo.
@232K73 жыл бұрын
What the fuck
@ryanatkinson29783 жыл бұрын
Let's all give this captain a reward for single handedly flying his plane into mountains. What an accomplishment
@daonlyzneggalz75223 жыл бұрын
Will the Darwin Award suffice?
@Robidu19732 жыл бұрын
@@daonlyzneggalz7522 Since the "captain" has killed others with this reckless maneuver, that automatically disqualifies him for the Darwin Awards. One criterion for qualification is that someone is killing himself without affecting (i. e. hurting or killing) others in the process.
@daonlyzneggalz75222 жыл бұрын
@@Robidu1973 well then good thing I didn't straight up say they got it, then.
@YourSkyliner3 жыл бұрын
This kind of stuff happens when pilots are not familiar enough with the autopilot functions of their plane, but at the same time feel uncomfortable with hand-flying it. If the autopilot does not do what you want it to, disengage it and fly the plane yourself. That's what pilots are trained to do after all (well, in theory at least).
@terryofford49772 жыл бұрын
Auto Pilots do not suffer the false 'Superiority' complex that certain Eastern airlines flying staff appear to suffer, its a fact that a few dollars in the right places gets a pass, NOT the intelligence and knowledge required, often known in the Far East as 'FACE' common from India Eastwards. HONG KONG and Singapore are NOT like this thankfully, I have worked as an ATC, Local and approach controller in those areas for number of years, Major arrogance is a natural attribute in certain nations, Fortunately, due o the very strict Controls HK,Malaysia and Singapore are free of such attitudes, its mainly the nations of the Middle East and India, Pakistan who suffer such problems.
@bertiodvonrastenburger11292 жыл бұрын
This may be simplistic but couldn't he just have turned off the autopilot and took manual control of the aircraft and flew himself out of trouble.
@chraffis3 жыл бұрын
This puts me in the mind of First Mate Bonovia aboard the Alfa class nuclear sub Konovolov during their hunt for the Red October. Having just realized that his Captain's over-zealous and reckless tactics, instead of sinking Red October, had in fact ensured their own demise, First Mate Bonovia, realizing the Captain's mistake, sneered at him: "You arrogant ass!! You've killed US!!" Moral of the story: Don't an arrogant ass.
@irfan-1063 жыл бұрын
The Captain had retired from PIA after attaining age of 60 but was hired by airblue based on his experience. The Co- Pilot was a new hire and probably fresh from the flight School. With all that Bull-Shit by the captain, he couldn't develop the courage to take over controls from him but as per the report he repeatedly warned the captain of impending danger.
@mairajuddin3 жыл бұрын
the 1st office was the F-16 fighter pilot and recently retired from the air force.
@rabiaaslam31863 жыл бұрын
@@mairajuddin his wife's blogs are heartbreaking. He has two boys, now teenagers. He was a mild mannered guy . This was the worst crash in terms of deaths and the scene was horrifying. Body parts flung all over Margala Hills... I don't know who is responsible.... But the loss .. loss is too great... Allah bless their souls and give peace to their families...
@jerry68303 жыл бұрын
@@rabiaaslam3186 there is no thing called Allah . It’s just a false god created by false prophet..
@egoiisticprince79773 жыл бұрын
@@jerry6830 o What the hell r u??? Is this the right time and place to start talking your nonsense?? Keep that to yourself. Whole world believe in a God you ppl r just a little minority dont come to comment section. You ppl have Godphobia and i pity your life. Life without God a depressed life.
@jerry68303 жыл бұрын
@@egoiisticprince7977 Sorry for being straightforward & honest , but I just couldn’t stand the fact where majority of people follow a religion founded by pedophile & killer.. Some ppl seek blessings from such so-called Gods .. Don’t pity my life but pity them who follow immoral & false religions.. Life without god & life with false god both are depressed lives,..
@chelseawales10903 жыл бұрын
I’ve been watching your channel for quite a while, and still get so pumped when you post a new video. I love watching channels grow, and seeing how far they’ve come since the beginning. Another great vid as always my dude.
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chelsea!
@rtrThanos3 жыл бұрын
He’s only level 900 right now. Wait until HE’S OVER 9000!!!
@ekesa076323 жыл бұрын
With him turning the knobs instead of hand flying in such An emergency really reminds me of the lectures taught by captain vanderburgh. Not really sure if my analysis is correct but he seems to have been just relying on his plane the entire time he was landing. From him ignoring the controller because he was thinking that he can just input stuff on auto pilot and make it work for him not physically turning the plane when the terrain warning appeared but instead trying to adjust it on his auto pilot (if I understood correctly) Like it’s just hot trash throughout
@TSWest3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. After watching so many crash investigations over the years I hate to see the fact that too many of our aircrews have become system managers first and pilots a distant second. Shouldn't there be a control that removes all automation and turns complete control over to the pilot in an instant? Or will there be more automation to take command away from the pilot if there is an inpending disaster?
@krashd3 жыл бұрын
@@TSWest If you want to remove automation you turn off the autopilot, simple as. Once the autopilot is off the only systems that will interfere with your decision making are if the plane senses danger such as a stall, wherein it will attempt to avoid it. Though if a pilot takes control during a scenario that requires precise flying then the pilot now has to copy the exact route themself or they will slam into something at over 250mph. Jets travel far too fast for a human to control manually unless that human has a clear view of the runway already to focus on it.
@jwesson302 жыл бұрын
That captain learned that day he wasn't a pilot but an killer.
@hmkt62793 жыл бұрын
On that morning I was stopped on a red light near the Kulsum Hospital crossing when this aircraft appeared from the right. It was flying very low and it's gear was not down as it flew towards the mountains. It banged in to the mountains with a loud thud after about 10 or 12 seconds. Such a sad incident due the intransigence of one individual.
@KarakuriPekora3 жыл бұрын
Sadly this is so common in Asia. The conventional hierarchy indirectly encourages such a practice.
@tomstravels5203 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for the final report on PIA8303 to be released
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation3 жыл бұрын
You and me both
@toetz44913 жыл бұрын
I am comfortable (lol) it crashed because the pilot use the Fred Flintstone mode
@tomstravels5203 жыл бұрын
@@toetz4491 we know what happened. We want to know why it happened
@toetz44913 жыл бұрын
@@tomstravels520 we can hear them in the CVR that they're "comfortable" even when they're too high on the approach and too close to the runway lol. And they STILL FORCED IT DOWN . That plane was not properly configured to land, we can even hear the terrain warning sound because the plane's computers think its NOT landing . Laziness and Get-there- itis = Fred Flintstone landings
@toetz44913 жыл бұрын
@@tomstravels520 heres another one from 74 gear , on the first compilation which is a cockpit video ..those are the kind of pilots that they have. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXeuZqmphLqdock
@leftclick2win3 жыл бұрын
this is so tragic, i cant imagine how the f/o felt like
@sajjadhusain41463 жыл бұрын
I read a few reports online (AFP, Reuters) about a year ago of how at least a third (or more) of Pakistan’s civilian airplane pilots go about their business with fake credentials (certificates). The criminality and horror of it all is beyond belief.
@terryofford49772 жыл бұрын
Same applies with driving licences,there is so much corruption people simply take it as normal even as simple as a car licence is purchased by handing,especially US Dollars into the sticky hands of an' Inspector',it works for Shipping, Aircraft and ANY source of transport requiring a licence, I always felt that the Motto Of such criminality should be 'WHY WORRY? a handful of Yankee dollars will buy you ANYTHING and i mean ANYTHING.
@kango137663 жыл бұрын
This Captain is now Prime Minister of Pakistan!
@00muinamir3 жыл бұрын
What do you even do in a situation like this? Even if the FO had been more strenuous in his objections, I'm pretty sure that would have only escalated the situation. That captain should not have been allowed to fly, period.
@dodoubleg23563 жыл бұрын
In looking at the "circular pattern" they needed to fly, I'm not sure why that was such an issue?? 🤔 Use the ILS to guide your altitude, then break off & fly a downwind, base, then final leg...I learned that in my first 5hrs.
@rurarararagi33943 жыл бұрын
Bad weather maybe the only thing that would have made a difference is if the bain dead pilot could see the mountain he was heading into 5nm away given that even the ground warning didn't help.
@dodoubleg23563 жыл бұрын
@@rurarararagi3394 yeah I was thinkin' that as well. If they're flyin' that type of approach, you'd think they'd be VFR, so not sure how they got so turned around 🤔...probably the same way car accidents happen, someone not payin' attention.
@BesmirZanaj3 жыл бұрын
If you have a brain
@YourSkyliner3 жыл бұрын
I suppose he was just lazy and wanted the plane to fly the approach in NAV mode. For some reason that didn't work and he then tried to "hand-fly" it using heading select mode. Which didn't work either because he forgot to switch modes. Everything about this crash screams lazy and badly trained pilot.
@lisamurphy23143 жыл бұрын
It was at night, but that's still no excuse.
@larryblanks63063 жыл бұрын
Pilot should have been suspended from flight operations years ago just for his attitude.
@chraffis3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work! Great storytelling. Great visuals. Bright future...
@CynthiaSchoenbauer2 жыл бұрын
I like your encouraging nature.
@dediirawadi74893 жыл бұрын
kinda remind me back in my first years flying.....captain always ''right''. 13 reports for taking over control did not make me sorry....saved my life and people on board. when safety is jeopardized......and the captain ignore any suggestions, do not hesitate to take over , it is not about your career anymore, it's about responsibility for the people.
@steve32913 жыл бұрын
A salutary lesson in why CRM is so important in a safe flight deck.
@Lacrymac3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, thank you for uploading, you take so much time to explain the whole story, it is really interesting
@mikemoreno44693 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully explained. That was very informative. Thank you. Were you using MSFS for the graphics?
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation3 жыл бұрын
Yes I was!
@dhawaljoshi18133 жыл бұрын
The first officer was a trained f16 pilot from PAF and these people are very particular about their judgement. Poor fellow under an arrogant captain was demotivated and hence could not do anything.
@aqibfreed46722 жыл бұрын
This happened for one reason only. Bribes. The captain did not know how to fly a plane. Didnt PIA airlines get banned last year for over 100s of pilots cheating their way into flying aircrafts. Shocking
@jostmathe2 жыл бұрын
another version here, it shows more things and has the CVR to kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZvSqKeNdrSNj5I
@andrewtaylor9403 жыл бұрын
One thing that stands out to me given some more recent 2020 revelations considering the horrific state of Pakistan’s pilot certification system, whereby something in excess of 30% of Pakistani Certified pilots were found to have falsified credentials. If you look up this accident you find a lot of info on the FO’s past. He was an F-16 pilot in the military, etc. there is almost nothing out there about the Captain beyond 25,000 flight hours with a little over 1,000 on the A320. In hindsight you sort of wonder?
@edwardrichardson55673 жыл бұрын
He pencil whipped those 25K hours. The so called captain couldn't even hand fly that aircraft..
@ashokiimc3 жыл бұрын
There’s no wayyy someone has 25000 hours or 1050 continuous days in the a320 flying on such short domestic routes.
@andrewtaylor9403 жыл бұрын
@@ashokiimc It says he had 1000 hours in the A320. 25,000 hours total. I would guess a lot of that military, if legit?
@ashokiimc3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewtaylor940 military jets specially fighters don't have a lot of gas and usually have a flight time of around 1-2 hours, no fighter pilot till date has 25000 hours. for example The most experienced F-14 pilot had less than 9000 hours.
@briant72653 жыл бұрын
Maybe it only seems simple to me because I'm not a pilot. Notwithstanding everything before, if the autopilot isn't doing what (you think) you're telling it, disengage the autopilot and fly manually to a safe state and then figure it out.
@MoominDoogie3 жыл бұрын
Again, arrogance and tunnel vision. "I want this thing to happen, so I'll keep trying to making it happen because I'm not doing it wrong."
@briant72653 жыл бұрын
@@MoominDoogie I think the error with the desired heading dial is the most telling thing. He seemingly forgot its actual function (directing the heading) and tried to use it to *steer* instead. He was no longer reading the numbers on the dial. This sounds like someone who is in a panic and no longer thinking about what he's doing.
@rabiaaslam31863 жыл бұрын
They're so used to autopilot, they don't have confidence in flying manually especially in high pressure situation
@Mrbobinge3 жыл бұрын
We're headed towards Icebergs, the Lookouts have no binoculars because I forgot the locker keys at home. OK, says the Captain, engines full ahead.
@reconforsales77083 жыл бұрын
This is a very realistic reconstruction. The plane CRASHED and yet you show the plane landing safely.
@jonwatson97653 жыл бұрын
He must have had a history of this sort of behaviour but no one did anything. It is unreasonable to suppose that thiiswas the first time he behaved this way, just the one time he crashed. Do they examine cockpit recordings from his other flights? They should, routinely if they are to identify personalities unfit to fly aircraft
@MrNorthshoremc3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it didnt happen in an instant. Some one never stood against his arrogance.
@waynedvm3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, well interpreted and narrated
@killman3695473 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately there are still pilots who think they know everything and are God's gift to aviation. Those pilots need to be identified and fired asap.
@Robidu19733 жыл бұрын
Run a check for narcissism, and you should find them rather quickly.
@Kiran_360_movement3 жыл бұрын
Great Video as always
@xristinas27672 жыл бұрын
Well Pakistan had a huge issue with fake pilots. Maybe we found one in the Captain. Trying to fly a plane with autopilot while approach the mountains...
@raja00119872 жыл бұрын
I heard the first officer was a former Air force pilot and had been flying F-16s previously. He may not be used to an unprofessional pilot like this idiot before and killed everyone.
@MLeoM3 жыл бұрын
Perfect flow and every line felt extremely good and well timed. Great as always...
@lauracarrasco-ruiz30853 жыл бұрын
Was the captain a qualified pilot? I would certainly have my doubts!
@peterwolfik58273 жыл бұрын
I doubt that there is any qualified pilot in Pakistan, listening to all those horifiying stories
@firepower_3 жыл бұрын
@@peterwolfik5827 bruh really
@firepower_3 жыл бұрын
@@peterwolfik5827 if only crashes of Pakistan are being highlighted on a platform does not mean that there are no horrible crashes or crashes due to Pilots ignorance in other countries yes that is true that some stories about pilot being not qualified in Pakistan are correct but alot of the Pilots are qualified. no hate
@cupofjoen2 жыл бұрын
Nothing is qualifiable in third world countries as they're full of pride and stick with dumb inhumane norms and tradition.
@mohabatkhanmalak11613 жыл бұрын
A junior officer/second in command can actually take full charge if they see the aircraft is in danger. The rules were changed after one or two crashes due to the incompetance of the captains. There was another recent crash, again in Pakistan, where the overzealous captain approached the runway at above the max height allowed - I think he was an ex-airforce pilot and treated the big jet as a small, nimble fighter jet. The ATC had warned him about being above the approach height limit but he just brushed this aside with the usual arrogance. At near touchdown he realised he would not make it, so decided to go around when he was a few feet from the ground and scrapped the engines on the runway which resulted in all power loss and no height. No one survived.
@moondriver2323 жыл бұрын
A circling approach is a visual maneuver. Period. Why would a captain, in the left seat, want to fly a right hand pattern when the left hand pattern would keep the runway in his view much better than to have to look over to the right the entire time and have a much worse view of the runway? Especially when the right hand pattern was prohibited. It's also clear he depended on automation when he should have been hand flying. His verbal assault on the first officer was obviously to cover up his own incompetence and lack of self-confidence. Last point, circling approaches are notoriously dangerous when used in instrument weather conditions. You are often barely able to maintain visual contact with the runway, and you have to be prepared to go around and head for your alternate the moment visual contact is lost. The maneuver is especially dangerous at night, and more so in instrument weather, such as the conditions present during this accident. In fact, so many accidents have occurred in the past that most airlines do not allow night circling approaches such as this one.
@natalindiancongress8863 жыл бұрын
@ Mishal.Raheja : hi, Agar Whirlpool in the Samundhar mein , Aakaash tathva landed on Bhoothava ? agar iss landing pressure or Impurity create karee tho tabh kya ho saktha hei ? before use kaa mathalb kya ho saktha hei ?
@ScotsmaninUtah3 жыл бұрын
This problematic hierarchy that seems to pervade certain cultures is causing many disasters in aerospace. This phenomena also extends to the granting of qualifications to people who should not be permitted to operate an aircraft. In this example, selecting "NAV" mode and then questioning why the aircraft does not follow "SELECTED" mode is just incompetence .
@MrNorthshoremc3 жыл бұрын
Am not a pilot but I can see the mistake clearly. What a self made disaster
@ipadista3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t the co-pilot just have long pressed the take control button on the side stick, thus locking the captain out of the loop and then do a proper go-around? The take control button is intended just for cases when one pilot is going crazy or loses rationality. Obviously he would be under investigation afterwards for such an act, but the flight recorders would have made it clear why he did sort of a mutiny
@warailawildrunner53003 жыл бұрын
I think the 'hour of being belittled and berated' by the captain had some bearing on why they didn't. When your confidence has been shattered like that, it's hard to go against the person who could do that. Plus if the pilot was a senior person in the company, they might have been able to bounce them out of a job even if they were deemed to have done the right thing.
@kam701113 жыл бұрын
@@warailawildrunner5300 Agreed.
@pineappleroad3 жыл бұрын
from what ive been told about how the buttons work, if the first officer used their sidestick priority button, the captain could easily take over by pressing their sidestick priority button (and the first officer could take over again by releasing and pressing their priority button) the button is held while the pilot makes an input on the sidestick, and if the button is held for long enough, the other stick is deactivated (however, it can be reactivated by either pilot breifly pressing their priority button)
@papa.jones.3 жыл бұрын
Capitan already create very tense environment during the flight first officer was low on his confidence level and captain want bit of show off as well he can do everything he want when he over ruled ATC only way to take control to completely disengaged him but time run out gosh he took so many innocent life's
@Robidu19733 жыл бұрын
Not with all the shaming and gaslighting that had gone on prior to that, and even if the FO had done such a thing, I highly suspect that the "captain" would have gone against his FO full force (smear campaigns, playing the victim card, triangulation ...), as can be expected from a narcissist. It would have been the classical catch-22: Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
@RamHomier3 жыл бұрын
In our flight safety courses we saw that there is a spectrum of aircraft captains, there is the skills axis and the attitude axis. This one seems like he was both a bad pilot and a bad team member.
@uk36932 жыл бұрын
It comes down to work and company culture. Many pilots in Air Blue are ex Airforce pilots. Civilian background and Airforce background pilots have a rivalry. In this case, Captain was fully civilian background, but FO was ex Airforce, and flew F16s in Airforce. Within Airforce F16 pilots are considered elite and take a lot of pride in that. Looks like civilian Captain wanted to asset his dominance and tell that former elite fighter pilot, who is the boss here in this cockpit.
@terryofford49772 жыл бұрын
Well said and true.
@forkan5552 жыл бұрын
I know nothing about aircraft flying but still my curious mind wants know why they didn't choose to land on runway 30??? It was straight ahead. No complex move had to be done if they would have choose to land on runway 30
@jostmathe2 жыл бұрын
in an easy way on explaining they did not choose runway 30 because the winds were strong and fast for landing on runway 30 but they chose to land on runway 12 , the winds were calm another version of the crash, it shows more things and has the CVR to kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZvSqKeNdrSNj5I