The Arsenal Transfer Show EP434: Thomas Partey, Bruno Guimaraes, Michael Olise, Mourinho & More!

[@fgtrhwu2]

Guirassy for around 17m(release clause) is something for us to think about. Would allow us to spend more money for other positions

[@TGFLdn24]

Betting shops etc has a history of damage to addicts, something that we have not heard about with the lottery. The issue was well spoken about on Paul Merson's documentary on Netflix regarding his issues and other people's addiction. The idea that betting has caused damage to football for years in regards of "match fixing", it is funny that the football world then accepted sponsorship from random overseas betting companies. I think a sports writer done investigation into many of these companies. Very murky world.

[@markygti138]

Philippe Auclair??? Journalist for the Guardian I think? Wasn’t he talking to Arseblog about it a couple of years ago?

[@TGFLdn24]

@@markygti138 that's the one, thanks. Yeah maybe early last year or before.

[@CaptainPresence]

My only argument is we the people are pumping (losing) money to these companies who then circulate the money back into football by sponsoring the clubs so technically speaking it’s the people betting that are sponsoring just in a unorthodox manner. People make the choice to bet but if your in the game you know you shouldn’t be it’s as simple as that. That’s why their is advice lines for gambling propelled by People like Merson as there wasn’t much things out like that when he was playing. The message is very clear from companies, like bet within limits and if the fun stops etc. We bet amongst ourselves as we’re in a competitive world betting companies just make it more fancy, that’s all

[@TGFLdn24]

@@CaptainPresence ah yes but that goes to a bigger conversation, more than in the comments about addiction and how some companies "further entice" those that have addictive issues, no matter how many times they advertise help (a bit like the cigarette box topic). Yeah, I get it, for responsible people who have the odd bet here and there, it seems harmless and much ado about nothing. It's not a easy topic because of whatever view and stand point you take on these subjects.

[@CaptainPresence]

@@TGFLdn24 I see where your coming from ✊🏾

[@Joonzi]

Love the show Tom and love how it became the only daily routine that never changes lol I just have two points about today’s episode i wanted to share. 1- It was so nice to see the picture of Kai and Martin together. To know our players not only have “relationships and connections” on the pitch, but also outside of it. And so much so that they go on vacations together! Really loved seeing that. 2- Well said on the betting companies sponsoring the sport. It’s still so weird to see in stadiums and on jerseys.

[@MerilP71]

Bro, spot 👌! 😮💯👏🙌

[@shika1983dk]

Favourite thing about this episode isn’t anything specific Arsenal related but watching Tom talking to himself out loud going through a logic debate over gambling and his ability to self reflect.

[@CaptainPresence]

Definitely poker Tom Odegaard with the shades on is typical of a poker player, from havertz’s smile it’s clear he’s trying to find a tell from Ode, also holding 2 cards normally associated with Texas Holdem It’s crazy, the amount of sports created that human beings can enjoy around the 🌎 🙌🏾

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

😂😂

[@teetemz]

I would love to see Guimaraes at Arsenal. Put him in a central midfield pivot with Rice with Odegaard up top and we'd be solid. Then Jorginho, Fofana from Monaco and Nwaneri as back up.

[@willsecretchannel8307]

The difference with betting and the lottery is all around the dangers of addiction. It's much easier to get addicted to gambling and not know where to draw the line. It's much harder to get addicted to something like the lottery. You're not risking so much because the costs are so much lower. There's a strong link with addiction and the thrill of risk-taking that's worth exploring.

[@electro-acupuncture]

Keep party unless you get a decent fee over 20mil adds great depth and proper quality

[@ronrogers6942]

Tom im an Arsenal Supporter from Australia I've been so from the Seventies . I would love to go to the Emerates . Good Luck to those people who can go to Games a bit Jelious . English or from Overseas.

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

Indeed mate. I hope you can make it

[@landoreece]

Really interesting talk on gambling. My take is FP essentially is a form of gambling (although low level). If you’re paying for goods/services that isn’t guaranteed to you - it’s gambling. Betting is slightly different but they do live on the same road.

[@gooner1ization]

That's wrong Tom, The Emirates was built as an 80000 seater stadium but the club chose to use wider seats for fan comfort. It wouldn't be difficult to add a few thousand extra seats. However the club have stuck with the wider seats.

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

It’s been built with that in mind mate. Would require a major restructure now

[@bobbysikes9479]

Tom, on the issue of the lottery vs sports betting punishments for players-it seems to me that your issue isn’t with sports betting in general. The issue is the moral discrepancy of inundating players with the idea of sports betting being a part of the game, down to the sponsors on their shirt, then punishing them harshly for any involvement in it. At the same time, sports betting companies are profiting from the relationship and monetizing the players. It seems an unfair temptation and I agree with your opinion that it is different from the lottery or prize drawings. I think an analogous example would be a U-18s team being sponsored by Heineken and then punishing the kids harshly if they were caught underage drinking.

[@vizhal007]

Liverpools low net spend is also based on a few high profile outgoings like coutinho And the net spend merchants never want to bring up wages + agent fees into their debates

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

Yeah and Suarez shortly before

[@jamesbrooks788]

Me to Tom, I had to quit fifa in fifa 18/19 because I was addicted to buying packs and never got a player worth more then 50k😂 reason why I don’t not bet, lesson learnt.

[@DMailosi]

I actually rhink we shoyld sign the type of striker who can also play as a winger, and a 6 who can also be an 8. I would bring Gyokeres and Zubimendi. Both first team ready and dont break the bank

[@MrKnowledge0014]

Betting and raffles are very similar but different. I’ve never placed a bet in my life, never played a fruit machine but I have played online poker on and off over the years but never put a lot of money into it, like £5-£10 over many month’s. I think there is a huge problem with betting advertisement as it’s absolutely everywhere and and at all times of the day.

[@vandemann]

Even a participating in a church or school raffle is a gamble. If there was an advertisement for your local fete and there was a raffle, and you were excited by that and attended on that basis then that then the ad has done its job. Football prizes and the lottery are doing a job. It’s hard to stream line adverts for just adults and not children or people who are addicted .its all about taking things in moderation. Maybe a thought that if people are ploughing lots of money every day in to football prizes, then some advice would be to stop take a break. It got me thinking Tom on a Saturday morning thanks . Great show as always. Respect!

[@StrictlyMad]

Hey Tom, you got my mind going. Gambling imo is where you put something down as collateral to have a chance of winning a prize greater than your stake. But then when I did the grand national sweepstake for £1 at work, never used to see it as gambling for some reason until recently. Same as the lottery. Sorry but I have been no help whatsoever lol

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

Haha yeah it’s tough isn’t it. By definition your £1 sweepstake is gambling but even someone against it would be okay with that maybe?

[@StrictlyMad]

@@TheGoonerTalkTV aargh, IDK lol

[@stephenhawke6324]

people should remember there was a time in the recent past where you couldnt give your tickets away when they talk about increasing to capacity of the stadium to solve the problem of getting a ticket

[@louisscrivener]

I see Football Prizes and the lottery different to betting also. I guess they can both be categorized as 'gambling'. Although lottery and football prizes is luck of the draw, you know the odds, and you're more likely to part with smaller sums that you're okay to lose. Betting on the other hand is trying to play the odds in your favour and there's a multitude of options, not just a luck of the draw thing. They're in the same boat, but I can't help but feel they're definitely different

[@SirNickyT]

Tom why do you think waffles is gambling but pancakes isn't?! Tell us! 😂

[@gsbealer]

Morning Tom! Memorial Day (3 day) weekend here. Had a friend post a meme on Facebook at 8:00, before I had my coffee, about the search (currently in its infancy) for “the hard question”. Do you by chance have any insight into the study of consciousness. If you happen to know Roger Penrose of Oxford you must have some theories. 😐🥴😀

[@dpauditss]

I’m back. Lost my old account. How could I forget about this great channel. My bad lol coyg!!!

[@gsbealer]

Bad boy Bruno in midfield? Man, that would be one expensive, star-studded midfield.

[@ashimmainali1527]

100m on CM after spending 100m on a DM. What has happened to my beautiful sport 😭

[@cheryllpepper2017]

Hi ton watch your show at 8, was good as always. Got some thought's on gambling. I work in a betting shop I see first hand how the addiction of betting affects people, I subscribe to your chats got into football prizes and found I got a bit addicted to it, I have now stopped. As any form of gambling can get addictive. But I like you think this a form of raffle all the same, I love your balanced views, one thing id love you to promote next season champions games to get them all red like dortmund do in yellow, I think it increases the atmosphere. Thanks kevin

[@numerouno6753]

Hey guys, does anyone know when the Club goes on preseason tour? Is there even set a date yet? I’m just wondering with the Euros going on. Any answer would be wonderful!

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

It’s after the euros but very close to the final

[@amervisca4398]

the difference would be the effect on other peoples lifes imo. With lottery e.i. Football price you “invest” into something that you might win w/o infringement into other ppls lifes, and with gambling into sport you play you can directly influence the outcome and chances of someones else bet ect.

[@greyhat99uk]

Easy Tom, i guess the difference between betting and entering a raffle is the addiction of chasing a lose. For instance if you can only enter a raffle a finite amount of times you it doesn't really entice/trigger this mind set

[@greyhat99uk]

And in regards to fifa points 😅 i see it as trying to be the best virtual self you can be; a fast track to improvement. A bet guarantees nothing, where as fifa points you get something and a decision on how to use it

[@jayantonio4487]

betting has much expectation than prizes. you are rewarded based on what bet you place but prizes give a random selection of winners so there is no much expectation. I think betting companies should sponsor but players should not be allowed to bet because they can manipulate the odds to their favor.

[@BetaFax]

This is definitely fair, as players can bet on non-football things. Personally, I’d rather see the major sponsorships and ads (kit, advertising boards, and the like) not accessible to betting companies. It’s almost absurd, actually, the situation; and I think Tom laid it out pretty plainly.

[@m.d8434]

Unpopular opinion. Keep the squad. Few additions if a kimmick or such become available

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

It’s not a bad idea but we need depth in key area

[@Dankchong]

Players/staff can have direct influence in games and are compensated well for their professional involvement in the game. I’m wondering legally if it’s in their contracts if betting is prohibited. If so then it’s simple. As for lottery vs betting, it’s a choice and to generalize what is right for masses is impossible. The only criticism I have about football prizes it’s UK only, love the show and as a foreign listener it does suck that I can’t participate in that. I am for sure not saying that you are xenophobic, you are the opposite, but that would be my only critique of football prizes. Look forward to supporting you and all the great content creators that you collaborate with. COYG!!!

[@cricketsi11]

Listened on catch up and came to comment re. Gambling issue. I'm very anti-betting, but do think there is a difference with a raffle/lottery if there is a limited number of tickets (and therefore money to lose) with a defined prize. With betting, your losses are unlimited, and your return more opaque. I think both could be problematic to somebody with addiction, but if you have an addiction you'll be drawn towards the more dangerous option. Should we ban tombolas at school fetes?

[@BetaFax]

I think there’s this thing with all types of vice. I’m ok with this level , but not ok with something I think is a few rungs up the ladder. A bit of wine might be fine, but maybe someone passes on the scotch whisky. A bit of prize play might be fine, but maybe someone passes on the sports betting. That framework might help a bit. All or nothing, non nuanced, takes almost always abandon the in-between reality of everyday life. So, it is possible to support a ‘ban’ on the betting companies (shirts, adverts, etc) simply because of the consequences the players might face (for betting on their sport). It’s ok to then turn around and maybe use those services. Or turn around and do a prizes competition. Or turn around and do a lottery game. It’s an interesting conversation.

[@markygti138]

I don’t have an issue with betting, the lottery or raffles like football prizes. They are however all a form of gambling. That’s why you have to be 18 to participate. As far as betting sponsors, I don’t have an issue with this either. Footballers can gamble just like any of us except on football. It’s exactly the same as employees of a competition company being ineligible to enter. Lastly the Paqueta charges aren’t related to him having any sort of addiction. There’s no suggestion he’s made any bets himself. He’s been charged with spot fixing which imo is even worse and should absolutely carry a heavy punishment.

[@truefact844]

I think that players can be addicted to gambling or just enjoying it as a hobby. There is so many sports they could bet on, so when it’s football it creates the possibility for cheating.

[@petermabe897]

Hi Tom! Did you have any Spurs fans in your team?...just asking 🤷‍♂️😂🏃‍♂️ Now you appreciate how talented Rice is after he faced at least 3 Liverpool players and managed to force them into fluffing the opportunity 🤔 Good day to everyone 🙏

[@Themaskedcannon]

18:26 ederson mate

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

Yeah was addressed in the show

[@stephenhawke6324]

i thought that was a subbuteo pitch 🤣🤣

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

😂😂

[@sansho_official]

Bruno is a good player, but 100m no way

[@JD-mc3bl]

I think bruno guimaraes will be the perfect replacement for xhaka. Possibly better at carrying the ball forward & passing in the final 3rd & has that brazilian flair as well...

[@amanred9337]

From what I've read the links are not entirely accurate. He is too expensive. More likely to go for Zubimendi who is also a very good similar player but about half the price.

[@ajzx86]

My take on the gambling subject. Firstly footbal prizes you have to be 18+ to be involved. In real life football, children are being exposed to betting and gambling from an early age and are being conditioned to believe that football and gambling/betting goes hand in hand. Football prizes is a raffle. The lottery is something that is there that people can do once a week but it isnt synonomous with anything. Football is becoming synonomous with betting, and football has such a huge young following that I think you can very comfortably be ok with the lottery and football prizes, vs betting in football more generally.

[@matsufotos]

Football players are not banned from gambling in general but they are banned from betting in the sport they are participating in due to the massive conflicts in interest. Lotto and betting are no different but one has been socially normalized and one sufferers from bad PR. The conflict you are having is a conflict in accepted social narratives, despite the similar reality of lotto and betting.

[@terrystokley2968]

Zubermendi or joao Neves for me.

[@vizhal007]

For me it’s the number of people whose lives are ruined betting vs ruining their lives on the lottery/ football prizes

[@vivienmc5983]

Betting debate. Sounds to me Tom that you’re against advertising betting in sport rather than the betting itself as you agree with the lottery etc. On that basis are you anti alcohol advertising in sport?

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

Maybe yeah, maybe that’s what it is

[@ajzx86]

@@TheGoonerTalkTV do any clubs have alcohol sponsors anymore? part of me feels like they did away with that like with tobacco advertising back in the 90s

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

I don’t think so

[@TGFLdn24]

@@ajzx86 I am sure companies like Carlsberg have been still floating about in football sponsorship around 10yrs ago tho. I think they have gone more or less "off the pitch" rather than on shirts these days.

[@askido351]

3 nil at half time and your team still got done by counterattacking football? Why? They should be getting done by counters

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

For clarity, we’re not professionals

[@TheBurdenOfHope]

Upload United channelling Man United for their game apparently 😂

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

😂😂

[@truefact844]

Tom I am disappointed, all this talk about xenophobia. Then two minutes later you said no premier league games should be played outside of England. Why the hate for Welsh clubs ? 🤔😂

[@mark_from_aus]

The insane level of gambling advertising during sport, and punditry of sport, has an overwhelming exposure to children which raffles/lotteries do not. The association between betting on sport and enjoying sport is a gateway that needs to be removed. I imagine players with gambling addictions would come from their outside environments and not directly related to advertising in football although I can see where it can create temptation for addicts. The culture of betting in sport and its effects on children is the bigger issue for me and would prefer sport in general was rid of it.

[@deanbirkett2102]

With respect Tom I fear You have missed the point. Addiction is a mental affliction. One I will take to my grave. It has a worse side. The blessed unaffected don`t really think it`s a thing. I`ve been clean some Years now, I learned coping mechanism`s for my "trigger`s". I dare not imagine if my addiction manifested itself in gambling. Said trigger`s on my Hero`s shirt`s would cripple Me!!!!

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

What’s the point I’ve missed then Dean? Amazing you’ve managed to deal with that pal.

[@DeonCluff]

Very heart broken 💔 partey is 😢leaving arteta mistake

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

Why?

[@Nick.braden]

The halftime team talk must’ve been abysmal

[@temiola3458]

Tom "saliba" canton? Or tom "Jenkinson" canton? 😂

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

The latter for sure

[@nelsononuoha1857]

I guess you are coming to terms with the money we wasted on Rice.

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

Eh? We got a bargain with Rice mate

[@zTom_]

Good one! 😂

[@Andy-qq3hp]

Man, Tom, please don’t be denigrating about the UK and racism. We’re consistently in the top 3 for least racist countries in the world. Of course, there are always outliers who can’t accept people of others races or ethnicities, and some could argue that their views are influenced by certain factors we are exposed to as a country (whether reported on or not), but they represent a tiny minority. Loving the content other than that little niggle. ❤

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

I don’t think that’s true mate. Maybe one of the “least” in Europe from a quick google. We still have a considerable race issue here. Being the “least” racist and claiming that as a win when it still exists is no win.

[@Andy-qq3hp]

I completely agree that racism is any form is terrible and leads to huge issues. That said there’s a reason that people from all over the world choose to come here. If you’ve been watching the recent protests in London you’ll see that a large majority of the people being Anti-Semitic are not native born British.. in my life I’ve met very few ‘racists’, which is a blessing, but I do agree they are out there and they need to be both educated and listened to. Lots of people hold views because they do not have all the pieces of the puzzle, but without listening to their concerns you can’t understand and guide them. Of course, I don’t mean the people shouting obscenities in the street. There’s a softer prejudice that can be taught out of people, given time and patience. This is going way too far for a chat on a football podcast haha! See you at 8am tomorrow!

[@TheGoonerTalkTV]

I enjoy these conversations, they’re important to have in any context. Discrimination remains rife, and while I live here and consider myself British it’s a topic that hits home for me to see it existing so prevalently