The Art Community doesn't feel like a Community anymore

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westwaysable

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@GusRokk 3 ай бұрын

I don't think a random facebook group represents the entire art community though.

@idkwayta1722 3 ай бұрын

bro really make a video ranting about getting rejected by ONE random anime/cartoon facebook group

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

@@idkwayta1722 This was just the group I decided to show since its the most recent example. but I've seen this trend constantly throughout the years. so I finally decided to make a video on it. I do say in the video that this has been happening for years. so I just want to clarify it isn't just this group. I definitely wouldn't be making a video if it had only happened once. though I'm hoping KZbin will be the community for me. so far it has been a great experience everyone is so kind and I love the insights people have given, so I'm hoping to stick around for a while. I appreciate your comment!

@Anime2077yt 28 күн бұрын

@@westwaysablethen show proof of this happening because the group you’re talking about is an anime fan art group & your art, while impressive, does not fit the theme of the group. So I don’t think it’s fair for you to attack this one group when it’s obvious why they didn’t post your artwork and now when you get called out on it you say "this happens all the time across multiple groups"… it’s like… okay… then prove it.

@DennNakamura 3 ай бұрын

It looks like that community in particular caters to the anime art style. if you do a fan art of an existing anime character in your style, which i think would look badass, i think they'd dig it.

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

@@DennNakamura I did think that at one point but as I continued to scroll through i saw quite of bit of different art styles, though you definitely could be right, they may just prefer the anime art style, though I couldn't find anywhere in the group where they mentioned that, I may have missed it though!

@McJorneil 3 ай бұрын

Creating your own community probably is the best way to go

@totallyrealspiderman 2 ай бұрын

I've been in the art community for about 10 years now and I haven't noticed any of what you've mentioned in this video. But I did notice that people have gotten more reluctant to actively interact with other artists and try to make a connection. I've done it myself, I've noticed it :) but I'm aware and changing that by interacting with people's posts more and commenting wherever i can

@RafidRahim 3 ай бұрын

that group is for anime style art and mostly art by Japanese artist, that's why your art didn't get accepted

@beristainbear3924 3 ай бұрын

This is why im not a part of the community and never have, ive been drawing isolated for the last near decade or so just for my own satisfaction. its either professional or nothing. At most ill post on art station or on my website for a portfolio but I just can't with people these days.

@Hansuki1 3 ай бұрын

Oh wow, you are REALLY good at art. I don't think I've ever seen art that pretty before

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

@Hansuki1 thank you so much😭 I really try my best on each piece!

@LillenArt2 3 ай бұрын

I stopped posting in FB art groups because ultimately I don't think it contributes much towards building a following or any meaningful feedback / discussion. I did encounter a few problem groups that had weird rules every so often. Mods should just be able to look at your art and tell it's not AI.

@infamous635 3 ай бұрын

I was really expecting the twist to be that you were making really divisive or cursed artwork, but your artwork is very normal, and actually really good. But yeah, online communities suck if you're not one of the moderators or a moderators friend.

@0nepotential 3 ай бұрын

It’s best to start your own art community, that way you’ll already have a group of followers that would support your work and other endeavors. Btw, your art looks real nice, I’m expecting to see some tutorials and other tips from you so keep up the good work.

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate that! I do hope to go more in depth on some tutorials and my process for creating, a take alot of inspiration from Craig Mullins as well as WLOP and Ruan Jia. Most of what I have learned is from studying those artist aswell as just generalized studies, we can definitely do some tutorials!

@koda7720 3 ай бұрын

4:38 Damn dude you're really close to greatness. Yes most groups exploit social media for personal gain. Much of the internet is negative or lewd content because that's what people click on and the algorithm lowers your priority when you post something that doesn't get as much views as your last post. You have to think of art posting in the same way. If you post something that ISN'T mainstream you have to be the best of the best to spark curiosity in the viewer. If you post something that IS mainstream it just has to be decent because the viewer is already invested. For example, if you posted that same image at 4:38 and replaced the subject with Aphrodite and her 2 servants from that one anime the mods would have been more likely to post it. You have to ask yourself if that's something you want. In the end there is no community to be had at scale since nuance is literally dissolved by averages when any image is allowed based on engagement not merit. You have to give up popularity for community and vice versa.

@koda7720 3 ай бұрын

@@solarydays I agree. I took the approach of reflection rather than accusation. I was no better at his age.

@QuartzGypsum 3 ай бұрын

This situation is strange. "Despicable Me" art is allowed and some others, so it doesn't seem to be a genre issue. It think either they think your work is A.I. because it looks so good, they take a long time to get to people, or they don't accept new people too easily. Not sure.

@stjamal11 3 ай бұрын

Bruh, you're so good. Keep rolling past the haters.

@jrestik9747 3 ай бұрын

man with THAT talent you are a winner to me for the time been and past that wow

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

@@jrestik9747Thank you! It has been rough, but I'm definitely pushing through it!

@_Chessa_ 3 ай бұрын

For me it’s making my own art spaces for myself online because I know I won’t get validated and feel good about it. So I do post for years on different platforms but stick to my own area. It’s kinda fun. Kinda lonely. But I look back at all my stuff and just feel inspired to continue doing what I enjoy! I don’t post almost all of my things I do creates because anxiety. It’s not ever perfect. But if I make my own art spaces online for myself. There’s 0 followers and I’m happy about that. I see my work and progress and go well dang, I need to get better and improve so much more. Then I look at others art in their own spaces and enjoy their artwork. It’s gorgeous. But I don’t post to it. I just love it! My favorite artist is called Mim at the moment! I am obsessed with their artwork right now! Honestly want to study how they make artwork! I love them so so so much!!!❤ However, im way too afraid to tell them I love their artwork. And never post to them. I’m the invisible admirer of theirs until I get enough courage to finally tell them that their artwork is loved and has inspired me! And this notion in different online spaces of accepting of art vs not accepting art are not the communities you wanna be apart of. That sounds really bad and unhelpful. I would avoid such communities. 4 Chan did that to me back in 2005. Said my art was the worst ever and told me to skedaddle! It hurt me to my core. And I went lurking about on funny junk. Lol I’m right now in an amazing art space and community that accepts everything no matter what on a community on Reddit and I’m really inspired by everyone that posts their artwork! I’m really happy and enjoying everyone’s artwork on there! ❤ we try to figure out what is ai and what isn’t but other than that most things are all widely accepted and loved and it’s an honor to find such an accepting art community. I don’t post my artwork there because I just feel it’s not really needed in any community at this point, it’s just me right now gushing over a fictional character I really love! That’s the only art I seem to really wanna post at the moment! Thanks for the insight and thanks for the knowledge of what the art communities are like right now!

@scorpius666999 3 ай бұрын

I think you're targeting the wrong community. I'd look for another one instead to be honest, mostly because the things you make don't look like something that particular community is in. That being said, it's not a guarantee you won't find a**hole moderators that push their own friends or themselves in another one, it's been like that ever since online communities started.

@aliabbadi5707 3 ай бұрын

have you tried to join a discord art cult or devian art? or just create your own group, cause by the look of it your skills are way ahead of their league😂

@succoria 3 ай бұрын

Loving that dark knight illustration 3:39

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed working on that one!

@queen-ln3dn 3 ай бұрын

yeah, the art community is weird... its why i dont engage with it much and i stick to drawing for fandoms im heavily invested in edit: YOUR ART IS AMAZING WHAT, its insane they dont accept ur art...

@jupiter258 3 ай бұрын

I am there with you...dont loose hope...cheers bro...

@samankucher5117 3 ай бұрын

ive posted my art in there for years and ive seen nothing like that :) you are posting art that doesn't belong in that group if you posted a political art cartoon in a anime art channel ot wont get likes . your art is more like concept art or comic book art they will probably like it more . now there are too many art styles and people goo to particular groups for particular art styles or looks in art in a pen and ink group no one will care if your art looks digital and in full color.... btw awesome work and i hope this helps :)

@bregassatria3130 3 ай бұрын

Your art seems like something wuxia/xianxia community would love!

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

I'm not familiar with it! but ill check it out!

@sabusabusabasabasubasubasu8957 3 ай бұрын

Your art is amazing dude, keep it up

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

Thank you! I will do my best!

@OnionSketcher2 3 ай бұрын

I decide to fully stick to my own artstyle and I hope Ai art don't get my artstyle are there tips to prevent it

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

I would definitely look into using Glaze and Nightshade, it's 2 programs you can use on your computer to basically encrypt your art to protect from AI but it requires a decently powerful pc, for example, my M2 MacBook pro takes over 20 hours to nightshade on the lowest protection setting, but my Desktop pc with a 2080TI takes about 15 seconds. So that is something to look into.

@pinklotus9684 3 ай бұрын

That's why I quit being a part of the art community. It be toxic as hell in art community.

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

we are going to try to change that and turn things around for the community.

@kphelps2012 3 ай бұрын

I see what the problem is. All of the works they post is Animae and your art is not. You need to share your work with a group that allows your subject matter, medium and technique. Your a great artist. Also if you haven’t done so already you should consider building your personal website that’s not a social media page and having links to it.

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

I appreciate the insights, that definitely could be it, they do tend to have alot more anime there though I've seen a good variety of styles there. Also I would love to create a website of my own for my art, but I currently don't have the funds, so that would be a future endeavor, but definitely in the plan whenever I'm able to

@Terithes 3 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear you feel you can't find a community. I would believe that community isn't by artists, if the admins and such just post popular things they like they will hardly accept new things. I believe other sites might be better? Like Blue sky perhaps, that place has a lot of variety in art, and thousands of artists have already moved there thanks to Twitter/X's new decision to train their ai on everything that gets posted there.

@OwnyOne 3 ай бұрын

Come to Blyesky!

@SleepyRulu 3 ай бұрын

0:46 I can relate deslt with shitty art servers and shitty people yet they freak out being offended by cute anime girls that my ocs.

@Artoholic_me 3 ай бұрын

I love the art I’ve made so I subbed:)

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

@ViroVeteruscy 3 ай бұрын

You're better off using sites like Deviant Art and make your own community. The group(s) you showed looked more focused on the anime style so yours doesn't press the buttons they're into too much. So either find a group that is more similar to your work or just focus on yourself.

@peridotpockygod.9080 2 ай бұрын

Your art is amazing. I love it. Maybe its the way you draw and paint. Its a popular style thats emulated by ai. So theu group probably thinks its ai. Posting progress shots and videos my help but it could be just the mods mainly keeping it centured around themselves go stroke some ego.

@sweetbeanpaste6987 3 ай бұрын

Amazing art work! It looks like the group is for anime/manga style specifically. When you showed the group it immediately showed fetish art too, barf. Go where you're appreciated man! You'd probably do way better in fantasy specific groups :)

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

@sweetbeanpaste6987 Thank you! Yeah it could be that i just haven't found a group that fits my niche! I feel like I have tried so many, and this sort of thing happens often!

@LeadandInkArt 3 ай бұрын

Create your own community... not everyone will like or want to push your work, but there will always be people who DO like it. Facebook is pretty toxic too so, it's not really a measure of your work..

@Green_garlic_lady_gaga 3 ай бұрын

you are the craftmen dude. yeah it looks soo good that your wok might get mistaken as ai art and the mods don't bother getting to check if the submitted art really ai genarated or not. but it'sreally sad that artists has to dought what they are seeing is real or not

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

@Green_garlic_lady_gaga it is sad! I miss the days before AI Art I have had people call my work AI created sometimes and it's definitely harmful to the community, but I understand that alot of people can't always tell the difference

@mavericksantos998 3 ай бұрын

Yes channels like those have their preferences whether we like it or not. You have great talent, but it seems the admins don't feel that your style is consistent with the art they prefer to include. I believe art pages for character concepts and illustrations would suit your works better. Just make sure they don't accept AI images as well.

@WildArtistsl 3 ай бұрын

Toxic? Reminds me of when a streamer openly mocked a beginner artist with A.I is very hard to connect unless your art is on Pinterest Instagramm lookinh its hard

@g3n0sc1d3 3 ай бұрын

ive been posting for 10 years and only have 100 followers just how it is when you have a niche style

@anotherrightbrained2225 3 ай бұрын

can you tell me what niche mean? many people using this word and i cant find the meaning of it

@mavericksantos998 3 ай бұрын

@@anotherrightbrained2225basically it's something not mainstream or popular except for a small minority that really likes it.

@anotherrightbrained2225 3 ай бұрын

@@mavericksantos998 ah thank you so much, that word describe my works as well

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

it can be rough and discouraging, The important thing is we never give up and continue to grow as artist!

@Knifeeye 3 ай бұрын

Where's ur social? I wanna see ur art ❤❤

@tellmewhenitsover 3 ай бұрын

It never did

@GardenshedElectronics 3 ай бұрын

dawg 8000 followers on tiktok is awesome

@westwaysable 3 ай бұрын

I've been there for 4 years building a following but I'm wanting to transition over to KZbin. Since tiktok never shows my followers any of the content I create, I also prefer the longer format of KZbin, I don't feel so pressured to followe trends and things like that. I love that I can just do my own thing and create the content I want to and it still gets pushed out to people.