The Aspects & Their Titan Curse... Legacies Episode 1 Cinematic Analysis

[@abydosianchulac2]

Seriously, Nozzie's existence is really a trip. Sure, he knows the circumstances of his death; but he also knows when he'll betray everyone and _why_ he'll betray everyone, but he has to hold himself together, and not let that reason "corrupt" him too soon, *and* go through the process of "discovering" that reason. Meanwhile, his corrupted self is working against him, and he knows how he's being thwarted, _and_ what it will take to overcome those barriers, but since he will not have been overpowered that quickly as Murozond he can't overpower himself that quickly as Nozdormu. And yet, Murozond also knows that everything he does is pointless, but still had to go through all this effort because his younger self saw him do it. No wonder Nozdormu is never around, guy must be _exhausted._

[@abydosianchulac2]

That's the cinematic that I want to see: the conversation that must have happened after Nozdormu first looked into his timeline with his powers and saw the reason for his betrayal. He would probably have wanted to fly off the handle and rebel right then and there if the reason was so bad he'd do it eventually, but then he's talked down off the ledge by a future Nozzie and, who knows, maybe Murozond himself. While the first uses all the logic and reasoning he remembers had cooled him down in the moment, Murray is all righteous indignation that _he_ be allowed to do The Work. Thus chastened, past Nozzie goes back to the rest of the Aspects, suddenly very wearied by all their enthusiasm of their ascension and hopes for the future.

[@superj-man137]

So, I often wonder if time can change. If not, then the entire caverns of time dungeons were a waste of "time." If things CANNOT change, then the infinite dragonflight is not going to be able to stop Thrall, Medivh, Arthas, or (Well of Eternity) regardless if heroes went back in time to stop them. We could have just "not" gone and it still wouldn't have worked. Therefore, I am hoping that Nozdormu doesn't actually change. That we helped thwart his changing by (and this is the important bit of time travel and time magic) creating a NEW timeline in which Nozdormu sees the benefit of staving off the hour of twilight and refusing to betray everyone. Perhaps he sees the possible ends to a multitude of scenarios but nothing is set in stone until it is done over the course of time.

[@__Insanity_]

@@superj-man137 In the words of an asshole of a former warchief: "Times change" Nozdormu was to protect the timeline, he is the reason the timeline is correct (which could mean the timeline shenanigans with WoD was technically supposed to happen) Murozond trying to change the timeline is more than likely a set thing, but also probably possible if Nozdormu thought it was whilst he was being corrupted. It's just that due to him also being there, it affected things. He may have been so thoroughly corrupted that he thought he could break the cycle of him dying to his past self. As we've seen before, the Old Gods and those of the Void can foresee events but their perception of it is too broad and accounts for multiple timelines or potential timelines or just impossible outcomes. It's strange and not very understood exactly, but it might be why Murozond is trying in vain to change things. It may be possible for Nozdormu to not turn or Murozond to actually change things. In short: "Time is a tangled web, try not to dwell on all the loose ends"

[@superj-man137]

@@__Insanity_ lol, times change indeed. The whole alternate draenor was proof of that, new events that weren't possibilities in our timeline were made possible, (legions attack, sword, azerite, n'zoth) due to changing one singular incident (the orcs drinking the blood of mannaroth). So, I'm hopeful there is no need to change Nozdormu any longer. AU murazond may come to attack but that wouldn't necessarily be OUR Nozdormu.

[@mattwo7]

It's not really consistent if Murozond's end is actually set in stone or not.

[@godisko1237]

Galakrond having 7 eyes is an interesting detail considering the fact that Y´Shaarj is called "black goat with SEVEN EYES" in the puzzle box of Yogg-Saron

[@BobMerlinx]

I actually didn't notice he only had 3 eyes on his left side. Nicely caught.

[@RealityDysfunction85]

He is literally covered in hundreds of eyes.

[@samtrue3]

Eye Eye captain

[@luzartedafatima6065]

Taliesin & Evitel can someone please explain to me why dracthyr npc has regular fly in old regions and we players don't?!?

[@TheFrostycake]

this is my favorite part of the new expansion hype cycle. Tali breaking down the cinematics and doing a deep dive just brings me so much joy.

[@luckyskaven13]

Truth

[@Morvelaira]

Proof that the cinematic did a good job of portraying proto-drakes as "dinosaur-like" as Tali says: My three year old daughter, at seeing this point in the cinematic (which she had been completely ignoring until now) reacted with, "*gasp!* Dino-saaaauuuur! rawr."

[@rosenrot234]

Heck even adult me was thinking that lol. Its cute how dinosaurs and dragons hit that same "BIG COOL LIZARD. THIS IS HYPE" part of our brains

[@Juniper_Rose]

@@rosenrot234 Academic Brain: "They're dinosaur like only in a pop culture sense. Dinosaurs were more like birds." Little Kid Brain: DINOSAURS COOL I LOVE BIG LIZARDS!!!!!!

[@rosenrot234]

@@Juniper_Rose Same for some sharks. Just "BIG FISH."

[@kyubii972]

Adorable!!

[@GarroshTV]

„And here we see that Shadow land…“ Ptsd kicks in, Vietnam Flashbacks go through my head. Can‘t escape it.

[@harrydresden4661]

Shadowlands did nothing wrong.

[@Trevan2412]

Instant trigger from me as well lmao

[@rntypical]

I am so done with that place.

[@Marqrk]

I think a really interesting detail is that while Malygos and Neltharian are buddying up, we see Nozdorumu and Ysera sharing a celebratory head rub, which is as far as I’m aware our first indication that they had any kind of especially strong bond among the 5 Correct me if I’m wrong of course, but generally the Aspects were paired off as Ysera/Alextraza, Neltharian/Malygos, and Nozdormu was the odd one out with no particularly special bond referenced outside of their general bond as Aspects

[@lemuelhardy5164]

I noticed that too! Maybe that's part of what sets him off.

[@monkeysk8er33]

That is solely after he becomes Aspect, and it's BECAUSE of his visions of the future. He knows what happens, he knows he falls to corruption, he knows he will alter events that lead to their deaths. I'm calling it now, Murozond outright kills Alexstrasza this expansion, after/as he becomes Murozond. That completes the deaths of the Aspects, ending their reign. New dragons will take their place as Aspects.

[@sabrevanson4412]

@@monkeysk8er33 Bruh, from a story telling point of view....With Alex as the front of the opening cinematic, and the literal poster child of the expac.....this has weight. I think you are right. I think Alex is going to die at the end of the expac...either by Norzdomu/murozond, or by getting corrupted by unfiltered waters and we have to cleanse her/kill her as a end raid boss. I agree with you, and stand here calling it with you. Alex dies at the end of this xpac. =(

[@wolvereaux]

I think another thing that's worth noting is that the last memory Emberthal has is Neltharion abandoning her right before the dracthyr were imprisoned. And, given that in the early stages of their start zone the other dracthyr keep asking where Neltharion is with concern and confusion, my knee-jerk thought is that Emberthal was the only one left alive to WITNESS Nelth abandoning them (presumably on the battlefield that she remembers before Nelth looks at her and turns away). Just some thoughts!

[@AugustHahn]

As for what you might have missed, Tali? How could you not mention the moment of Nozdormu/Ysera snuggle timez?! :)

[@TaliesinEvitel]

Fair shout honestly

[@albertosaenzn]

@@TaliesinEvitel Totally agree I watched the video waiting for you to say something about them 😭😭

[@itsspeltreeves]

@@TaliesinEvitel haha, Owning it - that's why we come back to watch man - integrity. Side note - I'm wondering if the pre-empowerment brood eggs shown of Alexstrasza will make an appearance / play into a smaller sub plot? They had the 'spark' but it was still before the titans essentially changed her, so they'd still be proto dragons technically wouldn't they? Abandoned in light of her new duty and new brood?

[@PsychKenn23]

I'd say Malygos looking like he did in the cinematic in dragon form is because he was younger and hadn't gone through millennia of depression induced madness. Also, it's about time we got an in game visage form for Malygos even if he is dead. I'd just like to see it really. Great vid!

[@luzartedafatima6065]

Taliesin & Evitel can someone please explain to me why dracthyr npc has regular fly in old regions and we players don't?!?

[@MrGM]

these videos are just the best

[@AVBRIZE]

at 7:30 nozdormu's shoulder glass? crystal? is blue, at 8:48 nozdormu illustration his shoulder gem is again blue, 9:22 still blue, 9:26 it turns purple and stay purple till 31:49 at 32:26 its back to blue, 37:53 purple again. not sure if it means something. it can be just light or it can be something like an internal conflict between nozdormu and murozond

[@AugustHahn]

I think these fantastic animations are making me happy I'm not in the Beta. I get to learn these things first hand with no foreknowledge.

[@hironobu64]

I'm in the beta and appreciate the opportunity to learn this stuff, all the same, just, at my own pace. Read quest text? Check. Bother to explore for the sake of exploring? Check. Not feeling rushed because of FOMO? Extra-double-check. I always report bugs as I come across them, but I mostly get to enjoy the game and not feel the pressure of the community.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Something I noticed is Proto-dragons have a beak-like cover at the tip of their snouts (20:19) but Galakrond in this cinematic does not, suggesting something had already attempted to "evolve" Galakrond like the Titans did with the aspects.

[@azulsimmons1040]

You can tell Tali loves the lore part of Warcraft. He goes all in when analyzing the lore.

[@scoops2]

I love the comparison you made between the Azshara transformation and the Aspect transformation. This comparison between the two coupled with the idea that perhaps the Titans lied to us about the Old Gods and the Black Empire reminds me if the themes from Legion where we learn Light does not necessarily mean Good and Void does not necessarily mean Evil. FFXIV also played with these themes, where the light is evil and the darkness is good in one world and the opposite is true in another. I wonder if we'll find out that both sides actually have complex motives that could be construed as good or evil depending on who you ask.

[@arbenzotaj8342]

no.

[@zakarymoninger7845]

I don't think they're going to go so far as to paint the Old Gods as a force of "good" but I definitely like that they're stepping away from the Titans being the perfect gods of the universe. If the Old Gods are the embodiment of Chaos, and the Titans of Order, surely the ideal world contains a balance of both. We can see the Old Gods have caused some good, notably the "corruption" of the Titan constructs causing the birth of like half of the playable races. Edit: as SA N pointed out, I got my cosmological forces mixed up, which actually makes the situation MORE interesting, in my opinion.

[@bastalam]

@@zakarymoninger7845 chaos is a different realm from old gods my friends. It actually is home to demon kind.

[@zakarymoninger7845]

@@bastalam you’re right, I got my Void and my Disorder mixed up. That said, after reviewing the Chronicle chart, the Old Gods and the Titans are right next to each other, which to me implies that quite contrary to being diametrically opposed, as it is often portrayed, they would likely have more similarities than differences!

[@bastalam]

@@zakarymoninger7845 might be the case friend but I really can't see why titans be portrayed as bad. I have yet to see a good reason in pre-established lore. I've also seen what old gods (from vanilla all the way to bfa) did without Odyn's influence (the same guy who has been locked in his palace high above and didn't do jack to this day) and I'll take a hell no stance with void as well. Sure, anything in extreme can become evil even the titans but I have yet to see what bad they did other than order the planet our avatars are created on.

[@Lupinemancer87]

I think it's important to remember, Dragons (and Proto-dragons) are creatures that derives from the elements, which is part of the domain of Life, making them beings of Life, but then the modern Dragons were infused with Order magic (arcane) creating a wierd mix of Life and Order in one creature. I wonder if that has any implications.

[@Wyrmshield]

Actually the elements aren't connected to Life. They, along with spirit and decay, are "lesser magics" separate from the big 6 cosmic forces (according to the Brokers)

[@thor.mukbang]

Tali really is insanely good at these analysis

[@Juniper_Rose]

Honestly. Especially how he has the "This is where the story is probably going, but also wouldn't this be cool?" It's a thing a lot of analysis misses; the speculation fun! Anyone can watch this and pick up story beats from the past. But what about what would be cool ("What if this is a FAR Future Nozdormu...or maybe Murazond? Probably not but imagine!")

[@masonmcconnell9375]

he is good one thing i noticed when he did the dragonflight anallysis and the stonny tony wakes up and it makes that zelda noise in face if you go to dragonblight the music its self makes that noise thus telling us this xpansion is about dragons just something i noticed when playing wrath classic.

[@sillymywilly8332]

Shuddup thor

[@rntypical]

I appreciate that he uses his theatre background to help with these. He has the perfect skill set for this.

[@luzartedafatima6065]

Taliesin & Evitel can someone please explain to me why dracthyr npc has regular fly in old regions and we players don't?!?

[@Dadbot]

I haven’t touched wow in years but man do I love your video deep dives. You have so much knowledge about story telling

[@Belphcrew]

Way to make me chuckle with the Attenborough omage in the first 10 seconds...tiny arms XD

[@jordanthompson5696]

Thanks for the video! Something I’m sure others have pointed out already that you missed- unless you decided not to talk about it- was the little nuzzling between noz and ysera. Also, and this is much more subtle, but I think we’re actually shown Emberthol’s innocent position in her tone. It’s kind o cute knowing she’s a dragon being and yet sounds a little scared of this small elf guy in front of her. Like she isn’t aware of what she’s capable of, or too confused in the moment to really appreciate her own strength. A nice way to show the mystery she finds herself in.

[@4F0xSake]

Agree, she is so shook and confused and gains confidence by the end to 'step out of the shadows'. Also could reflect that even though she doesn't know who Nozdormu is, she can see/sense that he is powerful

[@jordanthompson5696]

@@4F0xSake yeah that's true. But there's still something about this dragon creature hidden in shadows who clearly sounds insecure that is endearing still. I feel like WoW cinematics are always operating on literal and symbolic levels, even when the signals each is sending are dissonant with each other lol

[@mattmenken]

I don't know if it's been mentioned in the comments elsewhere, but I couldn't help notice the nuzzling Nozdormu and Ysera are doing as Alexastraza ascends. He's always shown as this reverential entity, and I can't remember there ever being anything mentioned of these two ever having a "close" relationship, other than the By Your Powers Combined victory. Love the vid, start to finish! Can't wait for Blizz to show more so you two can show us more!

[@lukelorianTRON]

For some murozond theory, the very beginning when he runs his finger down the axe, it's 100% Villain trope energy and that's all I could think about the whole time. Either way, a retelling of descent of dragons/rise of galakrond Hearthstone story would actually be pretty sweet. Rafaam being in the game now kinda hints at it. Also, a year of the dragon Megadungeon would be insane. Start with the Dalaran heist from rise of Shadows, going through the 4 plagues in Uldum, ending with the introduction of the raid being descent of dragons/galakrond awakening raid. Shut up and take my Money.

[@fightingfaerie]

I’ve heard some people point out that his voice gets extra echoey and Murozond-like at a a couple spots of his narration. Notably when he talks about the “spark of intelligence.”

[@kirksaintpatrick3921]

HELL YAH TO THE MEGADUNGEON

[@Sk_Et]

Over 40 minute video in a couple days! Damn. You've earned some rest! Great analysis especially the comparison to the 'gifts' awarded by the titans and the old gods.

[@isiseungella4688]

I too was surprised you found the time for in depth analysis in such short timespan. Tyvm I was very much looking forward to it and wasn't disappointed.

[@k01dsv]

Though I agree that the wording Nozdormu uses could make it seem as if he's talking down to proto dragons about being lesser, it's likely not the case. In Dawn of the Aspects there's a clear distinction between the beastial proto dragons that can't even speak, and the ones (like the aspects) that can form simple sentences. Just like the proto dragons in Northrend don't seem to be smarter than any normal animal. The aspects were elevated to the dragons we know today, but that doesn't mean that there weren't other "smart" proto dragons that were not. And he doesn't say anything about this. I think what he's saying in the video isn't a distinction between the aspects and all other proto dragons, but simply the distinction between smart and beastial proto dragons that the book also establish.

[@amalthea924711]

I gotta say Evi's audible ads are starting to become my favorite parts of the video. I had to laugh when I saw this because I had already downloaded the audiobook to re-"read" Dawn and drop book quotes and ret cons in Tali's stream. HOW MANY POINTS DO I GET EVI?!

[@jamesrose8778]

You missed a point at the end. When Nozdormu claims his story is already written, that could be speculative towards him being Murozond as well. Meaning that Nozdormu's story is over and his new identity is just beginning as well.

[@ianstoll]

I normally don't watch videos longer than 15 minutes, but this was a very thoughtful video and was a lot of fun to watch. Hope we see this type of video for the rest of the series. Good job T&E!

[@jamesrideout123]

Future Taliesin : Um haven't we done this before?

[@Clodas13]

Vhagar being so big and old that she transcended franchises and got some extra eyes

[@jasonsmith2497]

The Alexstrasza transformation also reminds me of something else; how Xera tried to change Illidan with the light - although, as we know, he fought against that change. The dragons did not. Some thing to say there, I'm sure.

[@StuSaville]

Galakrond appearing from nowhere to chomp that smaller dragon gave me Vhagar vs Arrax flashbacks from the House of the Dragon finale.

[@Shikaschima]

I knew about Galakrond ever since Dawn of the Aspects and I feel like the cinematic didn't give it justice. If you have audible, go and give it a try. It's an amazing audiobook.

[@luzartedafatima6065]

Taliesin & Evitel can someone please explain to me why dracthyr npc has regular fly in old regions and we players don't?!?

[@mattwo7]

19:22 Even if HS isn't canon, Reno, Elise and Finley are in WoW and Rafaam is in the Dragonflight beta files. The Adventure's League trio haven't done anything particularly noteworthy, just handing out generic Adventurer's League-related quests but Rafaam could easily shake things up as he's an "Arch-Villain" and not an ally and could be tied to Galakrond in a raid somehow.

[@jasoncrowell8863]

Emberthal's intro has a nice contrast, glowing eyes in the dark, VERY tall...or just standing on a very large box, so she comes off as extremely intimidating. But her voice is worried, confused, terrified, awed

[@roosin7900]

I love watching your analysis vids. You can find parallels and callbacks from other cinematics and it's genuinely really cool to see the similarities and differences between them.

[@Astranea]

Thank you for the lovely cinematic analysis. To me, your channel is always the friendliest and funniest: a safe place to enjoy the latest news about a game I have been loving for over a decade. ❤

[@herocarlisle]

Nozdormu's voice echoes in this, but doesn't in Cata. Only infinite dragons possess echoing voices

[@Hoztyle619]

But it definetley does not echo like the Infinite Dragonflight. Alexztraza's voice also echoes in the opening cinematic... Don't know if that means something or not, could be a cool detail tho

[@DTredecim]

I love that the aspects become more feline when they gain their new bodies.

[@JoeNovacks]

i watching you guys in every new expansion you make me happy with your awesome videos!and Evitel hair colour so beautiful so Queen!

[@Juniper_Rose]

Also, the last two expansion major arcs give me hope that Blizzard is going for a PROPER Grey Morality instead of "Our guys had prison camps where they killed kids but the OTHER side ate babies!" Like the idea that the Titans aren't GOOD. They're just NOT Old Gods. The Light isn't good. It's just not the Void. The idea that these amazingly powerful beings beyond our understanding aren't on our side. It's less "We are protecting the Mortals" and more "Stop screwing with our stuff". Petty squabbles where one side sees us as little more than curiosities and one sees us as prey. Or maybe they both see us as Curiosities, and one side just wants to see what we can do for them and the other wants to see what they can do *TO* us.

[@delsucksatgames4926]

A terrifying thought just occurred to me. What if Alexstraza herself is the BBEG and the Noz/Mur angle is a red herring to throw us off. They know that we know about Murozond. So they use our knowledge about him to trick us into focusing on the wrong Aspect the whole expansion; even using him (justifiably, since he is an important dragon) as part of the advertising for the Dragon Isles. And when I say Alex I don't mean a corrupted version of her. I mean she as she is; herself. Like, the Alex we've known this whole time was working with us because we aligned with her goals, but seeing her in her home territory shows us a side of her we didn't know. More specifically, Alex is a Titan servant and the Titans would want their world soul to remain in one piece. What if she has like an epiphany and realizes that "the mortal races of Azeroth", the folks who killed my brothers and sister and are cursed with flesh by the Old Gods, are the biggest threat to the world soul's safety and decides to do what she has been shown to do in the past; purge the few (the mortal races) to save the whole (Azeroth). No madness, no insanity, no corruption... Just Alex coming to a conclusion based on her position and observations. And then, with the last person on Azeroth he would consider his equal dead, Noz begins his decent into Mur...not through Old God influence, but grief (because he is now alone) and betrayal (from his makers). There's a thought...

[@jesserothhammer7378]

I like that!

[@Zeergruush]

Or, hear me out. Alexstraza is the pawn of the wife of Amonthul (who's name I can't remember rn) who is the actual bad guy. Amonthul would be instrumental in her plans as well and would do something irresponsible which would make sense with the last words of Murozond. But hey, that's just a theory :D

[@mattwo7]

28:36 Wait, who's the purple dragon? Last I checked there's no Barney the Dragon aspect. I mean there's Sintharia but the Twilight Dragonflight didn't exist back then and she wasn't exactly on good terms with the non-Deathwing aspects when it did come to exist.

[@mailin3395]

I LOVE Nozdormu's voice and how he talks

[@sansaaaaa202]

worth mentioning too the emphasis on...change in physical form. The video focused really heavily on how physically different the aspects became from proto-drakes once they "ascended". different faces, longer wings, longer arms, etc. Then for Nozdormu to say basically "my story is written, yours is to come" and for Emberthal to step out and reveal, again, a new dragon form, a new body, a new shape of being suggests a kind of....passing of the torch, that the dracthyr represent the future or the next stage of dragon kind.

[@Levitiy]

Maybe Cenarius made the proto-aspects smart? It's how wild animals become human level, the cosmic domain of life.

[@dvklaveren]

I think the word that Nozdormu was going for is 'pure', thinks about it since he doesn't really believe that (or does and won't reveal it), then wants to say 'young' and realizes that Azeroth is actually relatively the same age then as it is now, but then goes for young anyway, since the planet may be old as heck, the world that it is today was recognizable but young then.

[@Juniper_Rose]

I love that the Proto Dragon Aspects use very D&D Dragon-like attacks. Very "basic" and "standard"; Fire, Cold, Thunder/Force, Poison...it feels like it's a nice nod to where a lot of their lore came from initially (when WC2 red dragons were basic "Fire Breathing monster") and their new forms are more unique to Warcraft/WoW (Red being Life, Black being Earth, etc.)

[@charlierown1355]

Man, I love it when a new cinematic comes out, if only for the subsequent T&E video.

[@BloodstarDE]

I am happy that you take your time making this reaction vids and don't rush out a piece just for the sake, like the others.

[@SH-fi8sn]

I do love me some Tali cinematic analysis. Ty!!!

[@alexeygonzalez8616]

I have a feeling that Nazdormu is not that Nazdormu of the current timeline, he’s like always traveling in time so we never see the same one

[@Wyrmshield]

We're all time travelers, traveling forward at a speed of one second per second

[@joshualogan84]

These are my favorite content videos.

[@reavestone308]

ive seen these 3 videos 10 times already, love your lore videos

[@Moiraley]

you really never disappoint on these vids 🤩theres always sth i hadn't seen or thought about . LOVE IT

[@yshomatsu]

Your video is how I learn new cinematics came out, after a quick pause and watch I'm now ready to stay awhile and listen to you

[@Voidload]

I think you could have touched the eyes of emberthal a bit more. It was switching often from focused / "I see you as enemy or threat" to "wow what is this :O" to "okay let's reconsider". I think the work on her eyes was just great!

[@Rap459]

These videos are amazing, I love the analysis and the speculation, thank you! Gonna click real hard on that patreon link!

[@nowgodostuff]

Didn't notice this be mentioned in the video but when comparing the ashara scene to Alex transformation - when the eye appears behind ashara, the circle of sand that spirals looks a lot like an eye with Alex as the slit pupil before nozdo steps in front of it.

[@Glimaaz]

"I was" + the fact we only see his shadow, but not his form at the begining....hmm interesting

[@heli0ns]

A fun thing to remember considering protodrake Ysera's green breath is, that the druid Wrath-spell used to be green originally. :)

[@AntAttackAH]

I don’t know if this has much meaning to it but I noticed that during the fight with Galacrom both times Galacrom is struck in the video it’s Naltharion who strikes him. The first strike was Naltharion and then final strike had Naltharion at the centre of the attack. (I know there’s the scene in between in which the other dragons breath their primal breath on him but actual forceful strikes it’s only Naltharion who strikes Galacrom) I don’t know if it’s a fact that he put him at the centre is to show how he was their creator and how important Naltharion was to Nozdormu and to symbolise how his betrayal was so monumental to both of them. It’s probably just a reach but it was just something I noticed.

[@courtneym75]

So this entire video is making my little meta-loving brain explode with happiness! The way you explicate on a single phrase "I *was* the bronze aspect" reminds me of writing term papers in college. Tali, did you study any sort of Lit or Media Criticism in school? Because DAYUMN it tickles that part of my brain so hard!

[@courtneym75]

PS - so basically the Dracthyr are Captain America or The Winter Soldier. Got it. XD

[@extruna4398]

Thank you for making this!! I love this content!

[@coltencook3726]

With how much the titains are portrayed with holy light symbolism, I half wonder if in the "cosmic war" the titains have already conquered the light (or vice versa).

[@anapaula45691]

Seeing Galakrond eating other dragons triggers some terrible memories from the season finale of HotD :'(

[@Felsmukk]

Kirby mode

[@BattleF08]

The ancient enemy returning is interesting, but it's perhaps too tempting to think of it on a cosmic scale. This expansion is starting on a smaller Azeroth scale. It's likely the return of those big primal elemental proto-drake aspects.

[@4F0xSake]

But have the primal proto-drakes 'returned' surely they have been there the whole time and its the dragons that have returned?

[@celestialstreams3629]

Daaaaang Tali, I would've never considered the wispy swirly chad clouds to be the result of dragon-flappin. That's an awesome observation.

[@AdrowFigens]

I would like to add that there might be something to read into about Nozzie and Yesera. Could they have been an item long ago? That nuzzling we see in the cinematic might suggest as much.

[@thenewguyinred]

I bet the next episode of Legacies is gonna detail the ramifications of the Titans’ “blessing” and how while some dragons we’re on board with this ascension and joined the Aspects. Others feared and detested it.

[@thejameslock1]

You’re at your best, when you do these breakdown videos

[@Appathas]

Something that I've noticed -- [spoilers kinda] The Titans dosed the water with Order Juice(tm) after Galakrond fell and the aspects joined their side, but most of those aspects are gone now. Instead, we have younger replacements-- meaning the new aspects are dosed with Order Juice(tm). What if the aspects dying off and being replaced was also part of the Titans' plan? What if Alexstrasza is next on the chopping block? And what if this plan was hidden from Nozdormu even with his time-travelling powers, and his discovery of it is what drives him to becoming Murozond?

[@CarterArts]

That swirly time magic that Nozdormu is holding right as he starts telling the story looks exactly the same as the first-ones thingy Firim finds in Zereth Mortis

[@sohkaswifteagle2604]

The Galakrond origin is not a retcon. it's a change of perspective: We have a few retailling of Galakrond corruption: The chronicle are written "by the titans" and we learn in those new book in new Uldaman that Odyn, ordered to all titan, watcher , keeper etc... to not share information about the old god to any of the "lesser" organic species like troll, dragon etc... So a book written "by the titans" to explain the history of the universe to us (lesser organic species). So yes they will avoid giving us the truth about the old Gods, they will tell us the curated information that Odyn deem acceptable to give us (chaotic time that they single handedly solve) and I doubt they will admit openly that even imprison, Ygg-Sarron continue to influence the world around them. Sure when it's obvious like the curse of flesh, it's hard to hide. When it's subtitle in the far pass and no one was their to see the truth (corruption of Galakrond) why not hide that failure? Then the report in Uldaman written by the titan for the titan (so no need to hide information) and the Dragon perspective (as being told in Dawn of the Aspect) 3 point of view, 3 differents versions (and the version told by the titan to the organic creature, an the version told by the dragon (an organic creature) trusting the titan is very similar

[@courtneya9731]

YAAASSSSSSSSSSSS I am HERE for new cinematic analyses!!!!!

[@mwalker9117]

A small point to raise re: curly cloud formations, when I look at them with the eye of someone that flies RC Airplanes I see the clear formation of wingtip vorteces. They're an aerodynamic phenomenon that exist all the way up to full-scale, and you can search videos of jumbo jets causing them as they fly through smoke, fog, or dense clouds. So, a fairly on-the-nose observation.

[@meganames3567]

Don’t know if you forgot but “tainted with flesh “ was an old god curse of the Stoney boys that guarded the titan facilities… and if you align that curse of flesh up is that similar to “spark of life” idk just something I felt correlated

[@Deckard0102]

"The mother wazches her eggs. She has tiny arms." Ha! That cracked me up xD

[@nookschreier]

Something I was thinking about during the stream discussion about dropping the importance of Galakrond's cannibalism/mutation was that it was a direct pull from Starcraft 2's primal zerg. In the game it literally shows one primal zerg killing and eating another, then immediately growing new eyes. Maybe it's nothing, maybe they didn't want to look like they are stealing ideas from themselves.

[@Melchizadeckk]

Well done analysis! Enjoyed that.

[@garsto9718]

I imagine Life had a hand in creating the Aspects and Order came along to give them cheat codes all while Void is trying to influence everything out of the control of Order and Life.

[@Wyrmshield]

The real answer we need first is what is the relationship between cosmic Life and the old gods' Curse of Flesh?

[@illmakeitiguess8615]

I wasn't prepared for the "friendship is magic gang" line

[@brianchristensen5266]

Taliesin talking lore... mmm... IM HERE FOR IT

[@nepheth212]

I think there's a fourth(ish) option you're not considering when listing why the Fab Five are different colors while all the other Proto-drakes are greyish -- this is the story as told by Nozdormu. You know when you tell your friends a story from your life, and the you in the story is automatically the main character, while the other people in your memories are more background? As you pointed out at the beginning of the video, this isn't necessarily Nozdormu taking the drakthyr back in time, so much as showing her it, and I think that opens up the door for the fact that this is an artistic choice, but also one with some basis in the fact that from Nozdormu's perspective, this is *the story of the Aspects*. His story, his siblings' story. The other proto drakes are just the background characters.

[@janeokeson-harlow4125]

WHAT!! No comment or opinion on the tender moment between Nozdormu & Ysera at 27:36??? I feel like Tali missed a wonderful opportunity there hehe.

[@chrisprsg]

Great work from you guys. One thing tho: in Dawn of the Aspects it is clearly stated that proto drakes are NOT eating there own kind and it is seen as something horrific within their „community“

[@burstlight7]

true but there are many species that eat their own eggs/young but not the adults forms

[@theobazinga8555]

This Nozdormu changed his shoulder armor piece since Cataclysm btw ! It kinda rminds me of the pvp gear from BfA that looked like naga armor!!!

[@omotiverat]

ok guys i have figured it out. Taliesin just said "Future tali here" in the end. 100% confirmed taliesin is Murozond!

[@dvklaveren]

Tali: "Who is this reminiscent of?" Me: "Onyxia, clearly." Tali: "Old gods." Me: "o." (PS. I don't think it looks anything like an old god eye tbh. It's just an eye and C'thun is literally eyes.)

[@pairaka984]

I agree. Not all eyes have to be indications of the Old Gods. It was very obviously a dragon eye.

[@BrandonStoetzel]

So, since Dracthyr were created with the power of all aspects, and since that figure she sees in her "flashback" has the shape of Nozzie; maybe the bronze bits that helped make her, also allowed her to have a glimpse of the future.

[@BASSiclyBob]

I've been waiting for this sense the video dropped!

[@brbbiobreak]

that rather expensive acoustic treatment in the *floorground* for so long makes my eye twitch

[@farceFacade]

Nice to see Uncorrupted Deathwing.

[@capncharmz]

In the "Dawn of the Aspects" book, the colors of the other dragonflights are present in other dragons, not just the core aspects.

[@carloslugo6701]

In the novel as he was chocking in the rock they shoved down his throat his extra eyes began to shrivel and shrink, as he was dying.

[@matthewphoenix6372]

Little late to the party here but Nozzie Bear's pregnant pause at the word young is tots signs of early onset evil timedragon insanity.

[@yarocy]

Maybe the five aspects in whom the spark of intelligence was lit are like the five torches that light the way. At least two of them were already old-gody. And the old gods "gifting" intelligence was retconned by the titan keepers as a curse

[@tayloramoras468]

The Sylvanas Warbringers cinematic deserved a mention

[@fatedescent2329]

Quality Attenborough!

[@Torrenaxe]

Spot on

[@stevecushman8453]

the Winter Queen called Yeasara Elune's pet, maybe Elune granted them intelligence

[@CaptainSweatpants90]

My personal head canon is that Elune is actually the titan Eonar, or another titan-related being closely related to Eonar anyway. According to the lore we know, Eonar was the one who empowered Alexstrasza and Ysera, and the area that leads to her boss fight in Antorus is called "Elunaria". So there is certainly some connection between the two characters, and since we have yet to see an actual, physical representation of Elune, it is very possible that she is actually Eonar herself.

[@designerwookiee]

It's interesting that we've been presented suggestions that none of the cosmic forces are inherently good or evil, but rather have their own interests which see them at competing odds with the others, but sometimes allying with some forces, leading to certain combinations. i.e: "Life, Light, Order." vs "Death, Darkness (void), and Chaos.", and "Light and Void" vs "Life and Death" The "gifts" from N'zoth / The Titans comparison is a great catch. It reminds me of 3 times I've seen something similar in WoW media before. 1. iirc, in The War of The Ancients books, when Xavius fails Sargeras, he is sent through a portal to be tortured for his failures. He is stripped of his flesh and his soul is direcly tortured. Eventually, Sargeras decides he is still useful, and shapes a new form for Xavius, the form that we know now as the Satyr. Sargeras also gave Xavius the power to reshape Highborn that proved themselves loyal to The Legion into more Satyr, which seemed to only solidify their loyalty. 2. In MoP, there is lore info somewhere about how the Mogu learned to Fleshshape from Titan archives, and experimented with this magical power on various reptiles or possibly "dinosaurs". This lead to the creation of the Saurok. 3. We see throughout the Shadowlands how souls can be granted new forms to inhabit, and that, at least in the afterlife, there seems to be a process of coming to terms with the inevitability of Death and dedicating oneself to their "Purpose" in the afterlife, unless one is a nature spirit meant to be reborn via Ardenweald. But Bastion specifically ha(s/d) a process for brainwashing newcomers to accept their role in the afterlife before getting a new standard issue body. It seems to me like the upper/middle management of cosmic forces having a means of reshaping the physical form and brainwashing entities is a norm in the WoW universe. And at the very least, infusing/infecting mortal races with energies is basically a daily game of chess for dudebros like The Titans and The Old Gods. Who's gon' win and claim the prize of Azeroth? Find out in the next expansion of Dragon-cough-Warcraft!