The Assassin's Creed Iceberg Explained

[@actualspider-man9004]

Hey hey! Some know me as IMHOZen1 [pronounced “I am a chosen one” ;)], but on YT I’ve rebranded. I’m thrilled to have been so heavily featured in your AMAZING video!!! I have plans to do my own series covering all 100 points on my iceberg, but you did an exceptional job explaining a lot of what I thought would be toughest, specifically how you explained my nightmare that is Washington’s Cryptogram… lol Thanks for spending the time and research making this and including my work! Subbed! ;)

[@hatefulgaming1800]

Damn you’re thee real spider man?

[@natiscool]

Sorry for butchering your name, but in my defence, would have been near impossible for me to guess that hha! Thanks so much for stumbling upon my humble little video, I'm really glad that you enjoyed it, thanks again for your lovely iceberg! :) Looking forward to your videos!

[@atlantic_love]

Lol, yeah right.

[@5226-p1e]

23:38 i don't think this is an Isu speaking, he's using the word Animus which was a word invented in the modern day and age, which means this is someone in the future speaking and not the Isu. i remember these recordings while i played AC Origins, pretty much all of the audios that Bayek heard sounded as if the messages came from the future, but this was also the animus, which means the information could have been to communicate to the user using the animus. unless you want to believe the Isu have the technology to travel through time, but from my knowledge, the Isu don't have that capability, but they can predict, however some predictions don't make sense, like knowing someone's name that exists in the present day but they are speaking to Ezio, how did Minerva know Desmond's name? or was this due to the animus filling in the gaps and she really didn't say his name? yes we all heard what she said, and so did Ezio, as he says his last goodbye's to the assassins within Altair's forbidden library, Ezio says his calls Desmond by his real name, but again, is this what he says or is the Animus filling in the gaps making us hear what we need to hear to understand the message?

[@actualspider-man9004]

@@5226-p1e The Messenger Messages are indeed dated just days following the aftermath of the Toba Catastrophe (91, 95, 99, 105, & 109days), and each were recorded by different survivors, named only by their locations, but Isu nonetheless. It’s implied that these messages went entirely unheard by Bayek, as he has nothing to say when they end, only serving as a conduit to activate them, because Layla Hassan does acknowledge them. They were intended for and received by her, and she was an Animus developer herself, so if the Messengers knew about Layla (which it’s assumed they did) then they knew about the Animus. Loki/Basim even mentions when going into the Animus that “our people made these long before yours did. I’ll figure it out.”, but if you haven’t gotten into Valhalla that far, I apologize, as there’s also more confirmations that Minerva was talking directly to Ezio through time to reach Desmond specifically. To attempt a simple answer to all your questions, the Isu had several, several ways of scrying through all three (past, present, and future), and could even send “packets of information” forward or backward or instantaneously as they wished, but the Triad had theorized that - while possible - sending themselves forward or backward was too dangerous to attempt. So physical time travel wasn’t possible. But sending minds forward or messages whenever, or peeking ahead to know of all things throughout time was definitely within their capacity. Minerva even calls Ezio a conduit, too. He was the Prophet, meant to send her message of warning forward to his descendant, Desmond, whom he says himself he heard long ago, and it lingers on his mind, same as the Messengers used Bayek unwittingly to send their messages to Layla, albeit he is unrelated to her. Hope all that helped quell at least some confusion! • Your Friendly Neighborhood Mentor

[@kittenchristmas4194]

In my opinion, killing off Desmond was a missed opportunity to have an AC set in modern day. There was all this buildup with Desmond learning from his ancestors and in the end he barely does anything with it.

[@jordoruiz]

There is some people that think he and the girl from the newest games are going to return in the flesh tho

[@ThePreciseClimber]

AC is basically a victim of its commercial success. Ubisoft pretty much dropped the initial trilogy idea as soon as AC2 started development. (the trilogy idea is backed up by the fact Kristen Bell signed up for 3 games and they killed off her character in ACB instead of trying to re-negotiate her contract) Doing a final game with Desmond in the present day would've been the most logical thing to do. But that would mean the end of the franchise and Ubisoft does not want to lose its cash cow. Honestly, were they allowed to stick to the trilogy idea, AC2 already should've had lots of Desmond gameplay. At least 1/3 of the game. Ezio running around Renaissance Venice & Vatican and Desmond running around modern Venice and the Abstergo branch in Rome.

[@lost8257]

@@BakangPrivv I view the watchdogs game as a modern ac game

[@riecola_]

@@lost8257 if im correct the watcj dogs, ac, and far cry take place in the ssme universe

[@lost8257]

@@riecola_ I believe it's been said that all connections are just Easter eggs, and there is no shared universe. Personally I don't care, there are too many "Easter eggs" for it to not be a shared universe. Canonically though, not shared

[@sheepyluvsyou]

I haven’t really been invested in the games for a couple years, but this series coming to the AC franchise is absolutely perfect, so much content and secrets

[@kysoneilers4892]

The only game that's come out the last 2 years tho is valhalla, but your not missing much

[@jacobeilers2333]

@@kysoneilers4892 nice name

[@BrooklynBalla]

The series really dropped off around 2014-15 storywise.They still made fun games but it lost its charm.I loved AC2 conspiracy elements that mirrored real life history.But in my opinion Black Flag and Syndicate were the last AC games that had intriguing plots with simple but fun gameplay.

[@alejandrovallencci]

Sages always confused me within the series until Valhalla kind of cleared it up. From what we see with Eivor, Sigurd and Basim being reborn versions of Odin, Tyr and Loki, I think that means a sage is just a human who is a reincarnation of an Isu, not necessarily just Aita. The reason why an Aita sage has two different colour eyes is most likely because Aita himself had them too, and as we know sages tend to look like their Isu counterparts. It’s also why it bugs me as to why Eivor is canonically female even though she is Odin…

[@actualspider-man9004]

There’s two types of Isu Sages. The Sages of Aita are one, but when Odin asked Juno if he should drink the Mead now, she warned him to leave it alone and take it only just before the moment of death, which he did in the Hidden Truth. If you catch the ending of that scene with Juno, Odin also asked what she planned to do with her share of the Mead. She mentions she will make alterations to it, then administer it to her [at the time of the Jotunheim arc] dying Beloved, Aita. There’s 1 key difference that separates them in this “alteration” between Aita’s Sages and the 9 Reborn, so to speak. Aita’s Sages we know can come back again and again, with 2 having potential of overlapped lifespans. However… The 9 Reborn can only be Reborn once. Once Eivor died and was buried in Vinland, so too did Odin finally die. When Basim was put into Yggdrasil, he had to manipulate Layla into bringing him not just his mistress’s consciousness, but the tool (the Staff of Hermes) with which to rejuvenate the one body he was given by Loki stealing his 9th seat at the 8-Isu table from Heimdall (who was Rig Reidarasson of the Rigsogur pages). The proof we have of the one-time only theory for the 9 Reborn besides that comes from when Basim visits Eivor’s grave in the MD. He not only says goodbye to Eivor, but if he lingers, he’ll say goodbye again, to Odin, saying “A fitting place to find an end. I almost envy you.” You’re free to believe what you will given we have no idea what Mirage has to say on all that, but all that to say, not all Sages are the same, as much as the Wiki will have you believe at first glance. Even Aita doesn’t always have heterochromia! ;) Edit: To answer your gender swapping question, Odin becoming Eivor Varinsdottir wasn’t the only switch. Faravid is heavily hinted to be Sif, while Halfdan was clearly Thor Reborn. It makes the choices to kill or banish his own Reborn wife in their new life that much more heartbreaking… • Your Friendly Neighborhood Mentor

[@alejandrovallencci]

@@actualspider-man9004 ahh thank you clearing that up, I haven’t played Valhalla in a while so I missed some of the details. Since Juno and Aita were Isu scientists it makes sense as to how they managed to make blood mead that allowed him to return over and over again within the human genome. However I still do believe that there’s a chance Aita’s not the only one that can return more than once, as in this video we can see that multiple sages can be alive at the same time. I don’t know if it could be Aita fragmenting himself into different incarnations, but personally I find it unlikely. Hopefully Mirage will have some answers, especially considering that the devs have said the Djinn that Basim sees is different to Loki

[@SpiderElm]

can someone help me understand why eivor's potion visions in the asgard arc show him a distorted or almost fantastical and mythological version of what truly happened to the ISU sages?

[@jordoruiz]

The animus glitched because eivor had 2 separate dna samples, the female was eivor's and the male was odin's.

[@jordoruiz]

@@SpiderElm because the issu stories are too much for his mind to understand, so he traduced them as mythological sagas. Also, confirmation bias

[@vandersonjunior8018]

I will say this every time I have the opportunity. Seeing the original beings on Earth and discovering the secrets of Adam and Eve playing AC2 saga at 3am in the morning was the most terrifying experience I've had lmao

[@AmandaVieiraMamaesouCult]

It was very eerie

[@Yea___]

Prehistoric advanced civilizations were probably real

[@potatopinky3799]

Bro that was terrifying

[@el9078]

I remember being 7 at 12 am in the summer being in eagle vision and starring at 1 of the symbols to long and turning the game off and going to sleep terrified shitless

[@olschoolTonyCarter]

Yooòoo, I thought I was the only one who thought that was terrifying! What was more terrifying was When I saw two naked people running for a few seconds, I said to my cousin, yo this may be Adam and Eve!

[@SomasAcademy]

~29:11 Note that this ancestry dates to the 13th century, and is on Desmond's matrilineal line; this lines up with what we know of Altair's son Sef, the next in the line to Desmond, who moved to Egypt with his family in the first half of the 13th century. That's probably what that entry is referring to, although it of course doesn't rule out the possibility of one of Sef's descendants marrying a local Egyptian descended from Bayek.

[@KyberQ]

As someone who only just recently started the Assassin's Creed games, this really opened my eyes to how rich the mythology of the series is! Thought your analysis of the Matrix simulation theory was particularly interesting, especially considering your earlier point that Assassin's Creed could exist as video games in the Watch Dogs universe.

[@togepipi]

Watch dogs is in its universe as evident by the watch dogs legion ac dlc

[@togepipi]

And in ac rogue farcry 3 and ac 3 games can be seen so abstergo Is accessing memories for games which are in watch dogs

[@CenoriaWoah]

@@togepipi The Legion DLC isn't canon, but Aiden did kill that dude from Black Flag's modern-day in both BF and WD1. Also shows him killing said dude in a photo in Origins.

[@togepipi]

@@CenoriaWoah I thought it was canon considering everything such as blume in ac4 the ceo in wd1 abstergo employees in Chicago personally I think wd 1 is in the universe of the dlc because in ac4 ac was made by abstergo because of the games and in wd2 ubisoft is in the game

[@writershard5065]

Assassin's Creed was a series originally all about historical conspiracy. Like, the 1st game up until 3 were all littered with conspiracy references. II was by far the best at this, with the entire Truth stuff. Unfortunately Ubisoft dropped that angle, though Valhalla gets closest to it again.

[@UnicornPizza]

40:44 - your French is very, very great! Wonderful video, as always, keep up the good work! You’re one of the best iceberg and lore youtubers on this platform! And your voice is very relaxing and pleasant to listen!

[@natiscool]

Thanks! Learnt French when I was younger but definitely more than rusty with it! Appreciate the compliments :)

[@Marti13TS]

@@natiscool Maybe, but your Polish needs some polishing :P Totally butchered pronunciation of "Kaczmarek"

[@duncanlin4700]

I'm just discovering the assassin's creed franchise because of the new games and as a history buff I'm loving it

[@jessygilbreath31]

Origins and black flag are the coolest ones for history

[@brubeck1]

@@jessygilbreath31 yeah but AC 1 is a must .Some sites saying dont even bother with no1 which is not good advice.

[@MidKnight-0012]

The jackdaw was actually sunk by adewalle at Edward kenways request Edward had asked adewalle to find a good resting spot "for the old bird" after kenway retired to raise haythem and his sister.

[@RylanTheWolf]

Where was that stated?

[@MidKnight-0012]

@@RylanTheWolf in assassin's Creed rogue

[@Hello_.Hi67]

​@@MidKnight-0012In Freedom Cry he says that it was a rumor it sank and when you go to the wreck and come out he talks about how it feels to see it like that after all that time

[@LEOODARTHVADER2]

You missed something important in the shared universe part. Watch Dogs Legion has not only a full mission storyline with a descendant of the Frye siblings, but she is playable. And you have to hunt down templars and ISU artifacts to help the Creed. So now, despite the claim in 2017, the shared universe is canon! We're just missing a link with Far Cry

[@derkurier2710]

I doubt FC will become part of it because unlike Watch Dogs and AC it really doesn´t fit besides the fact that FC has to work out its little Nuke problem from 5

[@LEOODARTHVADER2]

@@derkurier2710 did 6 ever address the nuke? And FC 4 has an Abstergo base in it that was supposedly cleared out by the assassin's

[@derkurier2710]

@@LEOODARTHVADER2 the Base in 4 no clue about the Nuke in the Pagen Min DLC (Spoiler) at the end you can hear a recorded message for AJ telling him that there are a bunch of Nukes in the Nation targeting the US (Far Cry 5 Area) but other than that no and 6 playes after 5 because Covid is a thing (the US ending)

[@DirtySoulsTV]

In Far Cry 3 you find files that say Abstergo on them, and I think the character even says the name

[@crunkaintdead7702]

It's not canon. The developers even said that it was just fanservice

[@TheKnizzine]

The Kenway manor having the wheel would imply it was sunk inentionally either to hide something or fake some deaths.

[@Vlad2319]

That's what I'm thinking. The ship was purposefully destroyed. It's honestly the best reasoning. Why is a whole different subject.

[@AngelofGrace96]

Ahh this was so great! I used to be so into assassin's creed, especially the Desmond saga! The theory Desmond Lives got me so excited, and then for it to be practically confirmed in Valhalla (?)! That was so awesome! Keep up the amazing work! I can really see the increased production value, especially in the editing and animations!

[@natiscool]

Thanks Angel, always a pleasure to see your comments!

[@tylerfuller-battles8370]

Unity actually confirmed that both Desmond and 16 are still alive through a collectible. They're imprisoned in the same place Juno was, The Gray.

[@DonMontoya721]

6:40 what an intro my god, what a way to get people hooked in your videos, amazing!

[@thetjdman]

Honestly, I've never wanted any sci-fi tech to be real more than the Animus. I've recently gotten really obsessed with learning about my heritage and ancestors. I'd love to be able to go back and experience the way they lived. Get to know the people that made me, me.

[@jduarte0381]

​@leviathanr53nah but u gotta go far enough to get cool stuff like him colombian so id go back to tribal eras that'd be cool

[@telophasemusic]

Idk if I wanna get a POV of one of my ancestors dying in the Fillipino-American war lol

[@patrioticm1abrams895]

@leviathanr53there’s a high possibility you’re connected to a famous person in history by one of your ancestors, I am connected to George Washington by 6 different people I’d love to see their perspectives of him.

[@Conqueror25]

I do believe that Ezio was poisoned. He heaves and clutches his chest and looks to his family despairingly. The guy next to him even looks to be mocking him as he gets up and leaves kinda falsely smiling. Really sussy. Wish Ubisoft elaborates

[@jonchh956]

I think I read somewhere that the guy sitting next to Ezio was actually a Templar agent sent to kill him, but didn't when he saw that Ezio was already weak and old.

[@wiseguy1512]

It’s thought to be that the man is a reflection of Ezio. A man just starting out on his journey in the same place Ezio did so long ago, speaking in a similar way young Ezio did. It’s thought that he was just telling Ezio to let go and finally rest…

[@anotherdude5974]

Holy... This might just be the best iceberg video I've seen! The way you go into every topic, making a broad topic and adding the smaller ones as details for them, just perfect! I think you, sir, have perfected the "iceberg format" in video form. Also, giving proper credit to all theories you share, incredible job. Ps: Don't know how to feel knowing my iceberg chart is probably the first AC one, honestly I wish I had done it after I was done with playing the modern games to include even more info but I'm still proud of that iceberg and specially on using the Rouge intro as the side images.

[@Frankthegb]

Retconning isn’t just recontextualizing old information, it’s completely changing it

[@mohamedkhider6998]

I think it can be both

[@TheNinjew46]

IT'S FINALLY BEEN DONE! An iceberg video without an iceberg

[@themanofconnor]

27:00 The Isu suspect that their lives (and the lives of Desmond, Layla etc) are a simulation because that's what they are; a simulation experienced by us as we play the game. And I guess that also extends to the comics and films and so on...

[@Blargin]

“Reality is a Simulation” is basically the video game just realizing that it’s a video game

[@espo_playz6784]

Essentially but given all the info it fully changes everything about the series because what if instead of being an assassin or a templer we’re just a regular person testing out abstergos project phoenix

[@KAB_HW]

Imagine if Desmond decided to let the sun destroy the earth and we seen how assassins and Templar war continued after with Desmond being the mentor

[@Charlie-xu4fw]

There is so much of Bayeks story after Origins that we are unaware of, it may very well be possible that he had another child. Possibly more. Although, I suspect Desmond and Aya may be related more than Desmond and Bayek.

[@jackj9816]

Aya would be better as she is Rome at the time of Octavians rise to power, there is so much they could do there

[@tobiaslandt1749]

But I heard a different theory, which is better in my opinion. There was one person who said, that the scar is just a reflection of the leader of the assassin. Like Altair and ezio were and Desmond could have been. The other thing is that they never should have children, because the creed and the brotherhood is their child. Because many protagonists lost their parents and found meaning when they got in the order. So bayek and Aya could be the parents who guide these lost people even after death

[@godzillazfriction]

if only origins was actually written well then Bayek could've been utilised properly but he wasn't

[@StarkeRealm]

Ubisoft: "Assassin's Creed and Watch_Dogs are unconnected." *Looks over at Darcy in Legion* Yeah, about that...

[@TackiestTacky]

In watchdogs Legion you can play as a modern day assasin, And at a palace or something you can visit Dungeons with the past assasins

[@exilestudios9546]

that is purely a non canonical easter egg in the form of a paid DLC

[@aliquidgaming1068]

The AC2 squid is just a fun Easter egg and not much of a reference. In a dev diary that dev team said the tomb missions were made pretty much last minute and in a few weeks or months time. All of them. This was the team mid way through development realized they somewhat neglected side content (they wanted to address the issue of AC1 being too linear for an open world game). In that dev diary they said the squid was just added cause it was brought up how scary it would be to think if there was a giant sea creature in the water. They pondered and settled on the giant squid because of the kraken lore and cause squids are very intelligent

[@JJK10293]

I think it's worth noting that Clay in Rev, as he's saving Desmond, was imprinting his Genetic Memories onto Desmond in that moment, as Desmond explains details of Clay's life after the fact. In a way, The Watcher is Desmond *and* Clay, Desmond just has more autonomy (possibly). Think of it like a Piccolo and Nail (and Kami) situation. I'd love to see a future AC title that stars Elijah as the protagonist, and he in some way receives help from Desmond, and maybe even revives him (Desmond"s genetic memories could be imprinted on Elijah like Clay did, or we could see a similar thing happen with Juno's reincarnation, this being using the Shroud of Eden to create a clone of Desmond which's memories are finally imprinted on). All fun little theories.

[@ioioii]

This character really fascinates me... i think he has a lot more to offer. I mean... clay knew a lot about isu, he was the one who first discovered that secience about adam and eve escaping eden, im pretty sure he knew a lot about the isu and their ways and also the early history of humans and isu cooperating after the end of the world. Personally i think the mistety character at the end of valhalla is just Clay, since we know he was trapped in isu tech, maybe he jusy got deleted from the animus but not the isu "data cloud" per se

[@jakubgrzybek6181]

15:25 Valhalla ending literally confirms his consciousness is alive...

[@Iampeeb]

Watch the whole video you'll see he acknowledges that

[@MikeVonwolkenstein]

Love the way on how you cover iceberg videos, awesome vid 🔥🔥

[@X-SPONGED]

26:18 "If the modern reality was indeed a simulation. then it would suggest that there is some greater force than the isu and the humans at play. Using the universe as we know it as a playground" Precisely, and that "greater force" is us. A meta narrative, since we are interacting with a simulated universe and playing it as a game which has in itself a simulation that's supposed to be a game. Who knows ? Maybe we are also part of a bigger simulation aswell and the beings above us also like meta narratives as much as we do...

[@MentorKenner]

Honestly people really don’t understand how big this iceberg is. Honestly I would say it’s even bigger than The Elder Scrolls. Just because even if something isn’t in game. It still has historical ties and value and information and story indirectly involved

[@ALTAI38]

Yeah i think you can talk about it for hours, days, even weeks. There are so many theories as well. It goes so much deeper with each title released

[@Voltage256]

The watch dogs connection squash didn't age well as in Watch Dogs Legion you can literally play a quest line directly tied to Assassins Creed and even find the tomb of Jacob and Evie Frye lol

[@espo_playz6784]

Literally at the begining of the the video he explained what retconing was and evidently the watch dogs/ac joint universe thing was retconned to be true

[@Tristan-cx7qc]

You literally play through the jackdaw sinking as adewale at the beginning of freedom cry. This man said “theres no clear explanation in the game” 30:10

[@ryandrivon1638]

I’m sorry but when Ezio kicked the gargoyle off the cathedral and leap of faith in and edited to Edward under the ocean that was the smoothest edit I’ve ever seen in my life😱🤯

[@lorinop]

22:15 - 27:05 It could be a 4th wall reference by Ubi, like its a simulation because we are playing the game which makes the memories of the ancestors a simultaion in a simulation

[@travismeo3696]

One thing I love about anyone who makes assassin's creed long videos, they have a very dramatic openings xD

[@andresmandujano5800]

i’m excited for project jade, this year i’ve been going back and playing handheld games from the early 00s it’s gonna be cool to see how far we’ve come

[@latewizard301]

The inner circle is an example on how to decode, the outer rings are the message, which HAS to stay the same no matter the language. Would enjoy to have a crack at it too. Might just be as much as a teaser for the Washington DLC or something though.

[@6thHokageJuan]

so did you crack it?

[@espo_playz6784]

@@6thHokageJuanI haven’t cracked it but I have a theory so basically I’m ac brotherhood in the leonardo divinci disappearance we learn that certain numbers have special meaning eg 42 being the answer to life and 72 being the perfect number so I belive if we somehow figure out what all the other numbers mean we’ll finally figure out the cryptogram

[@Mister_Black_Shirt]

I completely agree with you i wanted a modern day desmond and his team assassin's creed. Would love to see it happen still

[@turtlemaster2957]

I've never been seriously into AC (The only game I've ever fully finished was Black Flag on the 360) But I've been looking for something new and I decided to purchase the Ezio Collection on my Series X so thanks

[@EternalNightingale]

I recommend playing the first AC with Altair before playing AC Revelations, you’ll thank me later :)

[@turtlemaster2957]

@@EternalNightingale Yeah I ended up getting 1 and 3 remastered as well because I felt weird starting with 2

[@nicholascooper945]

You know... The idea that AC is a game in the Watch Dogs universe can be squared with a crossover in one of the Operative DLC's, the (according to Ubi, non-canon) assassin Darcy Clarkson. Bagley, the in-universe AI, makes cheeky references to the player about doing some of the inane things done in Assassin's Creed, like going to high places while the camera swoops around and shows off the local area. But, obviously in this world, Assassins and the Templar Order are still introduced. And frankly... that to me lets a very big genie out of the bottle, even if Ubi says it's not canon. Because, and... this is a large if, what if in the Watch Dogs world, Ubisoft (which does exist in-game) and Abstergo are linked. So, while things are going on all over the place, Ubisoft is basically acting as Abstergo's publisher for the Assassin's Creed games. And it explains why the first games have gone untouched and why Legion doesn't have a definitive set date. In 2014 and 2016 while Aiden and Marcus were running around in Chicago and the Bay Area respectively, things wouldn't have been fucky because of the Temple and Desmond. But Legion's set quite a bit ahead in the future, though not so far that it's unidentifiable. Perhaps after 2020 and Layla's work with the Reader in Valhalla, things are put back to normal. Communications are restored, all's cushty, and yet the Assassins and the Templar Order are still running around. Thus, Darcy ending up back in London well after the likes of William, Shaun, Layla, and Rebecca to link up with DEDSEC London after things went to hell because of Zero Day (and Richard Malik bombing Canada House and leaving DEDSEC Toronto out to dry). It'd be a fun way to tie DEDSEC and the Assassins together, seeing as they have a similar outlook from wildly different perspectives and different means of executions. The fight for truth and liberation from those who seek to wield power they shouldn't have, only one tackles the problem with blades and quiet killings to prevent them from achieving their goals, and the other uses humanity's rampant democratization of information to loudly and publicly expose those who have acted in a way that jeopardizes the Freedom of humanity. Consider Bellwether algorithmic manipulation and the Lifescore algorithms mentioned in the Watch Dogs, headed by telecom company Blume and search engine company Nudle (the Lifescore data being used by Albion in Legion as well, implying that Hamish Bolaji either redeveloped it after Nudle was exposed or Albion at some point just nicked it from Nudle and quietly used it to develop their THEMIS Project) I think if Ubisoft wanted to really play with this genie they've teased out of the bottle, this would be a fun connection while also neatly explaining why Assassin's Creed is a game series in Watch Dogs. Maybe Abstergo, wanting to flex a little, decided to make their downfall seem fictional while things were actually going to shit (and once the world was beginning to end again, losing it).

[@donnanewcombe6158]

as a massive fan of anything assassin creed i did enjoy your video, most of the time im correcting creators but i must say you are amazing loved the detail , a fine peace of work by somebody who knows the universe of assassin creed 100%

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

I think AC really could use a game set solely in modern day, or very close at least. I always enjoyed the "conspiracy" side of the whole templars vs. assassins dynamic, but Ubisoft has largely forgotten that themeing, completely focusing on bland and generic "Isu = Mythology". A modern day game would have to focus on the conspiracy side only, or maybe they would force some modern myth into there too... (fucken Bigfoot = Isu). They could make the game kinda like Deus Ex, but replacing Illuminati with Templars and BAM!

[@espo_playz6784]

Istg if I’m fighting big foot in ac mirage I’m quitting 😭😭😭😭

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

@@espo_playz6784 Boiii that would be such an epic troll! 10/10 IGN

[@ldope3904]

This comment is right on the money. The conspiracy stuff tying into modern day stuff was the best part about AC and what got me hooked. The history and past events in the fun gameplay just compliment the epic Desmond story it was building up to be. An actual modern day Odyssey but instead corporate greed wins again… damn Templars

[@squidwardtortellini2827]

29:40. It is clear in the black flag freedom cry that the storm at the start was the cause of the jackdaw sinking.

[@eftinoiueduard4855]

That could be what happened but I really believe that Edward thought the Jackdaw was too powerful to sail the seas without him as the captain so he sank her,it would make sense as why he took the wheel of the jackdaw because if we use your theory then Edward wouldn t have the jackdaw s wheel,also freedom cry takes place in 1735 if i recall about the same time Edward died so again how would ve he had the wheel if the jackdaw was sunk in the storm and he was dead

[@natiscool]

If you're thinking at the ship that Adéwalé captains at the start of Freedom Cry, which shipwrecks, that's the Victoire not the Jackdaw. But it does show that even master seamen are helpless against the storms that pepper the Caribbean. Another good point with the timelines suggesting it couldn't be the jackdaw Eftinoiu! Like your thinking though SQUIDWARD!

[@jtega561]

I've been playing Ac Odyssey and noticed Kassandra also has a scar on her lip. Might be from one of her countless battles as she has scars all over but it was around the same spot as Desmond's. Just wanted to point out

[@techxz.0802]

No no no lets not....

[@luishernandezsoto]

@@techxz.0802 What's the worst could of happened?

[@techxz.0802]

@@luishernandezsoto The worst thing that could ever possibly happen is Kassandra being related to Desmond 🤣

[@espo_playz6784]

No no please we’re not giving Desmond more powers 😭😭😭😭😭

[@wiisportsmatt9775]

Its been ages since i last played watch dogs 1 so forgive me if im wrong. But if im not mistaken when you scan some of the civilians in watchdogs 1, some of them say they work for abstergo.

[@natiscool]

Yep I'm pretty sure you're right there too Matt, a lot of AC references in watch dogs!

[@togepipi]

Plus the watch dogs legion ac dlc

[@jordoruiz]

Yes. The ceo of abstergo games is killed in watch dogs 1, more or less at the same time the protagonist of black flag is "developing" the game for abstergo montreal

[@theashenstorm5509]

The odd thing about the story is time is depicted as a straight line not able to be altered so the ezu civilization wouldn't be able to know the timelines if Desmond didn't let them take control

[@JakeWavez]

For the Depths part about Watchdogs, Note that Abstergo made video games about the stories of the Assassins, so perhaps that does explain why that one guy has AC games. I’d say they are in the same universe and there’s going to be a crossover at the end of the Assassin’s Creed franchise when inevitably we are playing in the Modern Day (possibly Basim’s Revenge on the world/after he gets his family together). They just don’t want players to know that because it’s gonna be an epic surprise. That’s what makes most sense to me.

[@mkdgaming2195]

That was a good transition in the opening assassins creed iceberg

[@GlobTheDabGlob]

Hell yeah dude. Love me a deep dive on AC lore. 🎉🎉

[@lukismilenar]

In Ac Syndicate you kill one of the sages too. Altho it was just a sidequest i think. Theres also Assassins Creed crossover (non canon) with Watch dogs Legion. Where You play as descendants of Jacob & Evie Frye

[@tylerfuller-battles8370]

It was a whole side-sequence during WW1

[@lukismilenar]

@@tylerfuller-battles8370 I think even outside the WW1 setting there's one sage. But I'm not sure anymore.

[@tylerfuller-battles8370]

@@lukismilenar There's been a sage after him. The guy in AC 4. There's also another safe in the modern day, that's a spoiler for the comics due to this sage's connection to Desmond.

[@nestormelendez9005]

It's basically canon

[@jackofspades3845]

The ac game I wanna see is one set in the 60s/70s where the next protagonist is going rogue from abstergo and wants to find out the true origins of abstergo and explores the genetic memories of a Templar who is secretly an assassin witnessing and reporting on the transition from templars to abstergo to the assassins brotherhood. Maybe even witnessing the first animus in use and then this protagonist could find that assassin modern day and go from rogue to full on assassin leading into the end of the game where the protagonist is initiated and set on a final mission to destroy abstergo which would become the theme of the final trilogy of assassins creed which could maybe finally set the ac franchise to rest.

[@Yarenoglu]

I was never even interested in Assassin's Creed until my history teacher in high school (who was very islamophobic) one day started talking about it in class. This was like 2010/2011. Our subject was the crusades and he had a PowerPoint on the subject and on one of the pages it was about this game. He was so angry about the fact that it was being sold in the UK because the story was "basically about a Muslim terrorist" (his exact words). He said Altair was a Muslim terrorist, and in this game you were going around killing Christians and how horrible it was. I knew how islamophobic he was and decided to see for myself. I bought the game and loved it, I've played every AC game since.

[@Case2_0]

My sophomore year history teacher was the opposite. It was AP World History and she refused to cover anything that wasn’t Islamic in origin (for context, I’m in Texas so that is pretty out of place). Like, we discussed the Islamic push from about 600-900 into Europe, but completely ignored the existence of the crusades except for the couple that were outright wins for the Muslim armies.

[@Yarenoglu]

@Case2_0 I'm sure he was an exception and no other history teacher probably even talked about this game in those years. As for your teache, the Islamic golden age was a very interesting period in history and I think more people should learn about it, but ignoring European history during those times is an injustice. Much of European culture was established/solidified as it came out of this period.

[@archiealmond7200]

Bro, watchdogs and ac is in the same universe. In watch dogs legion there are multiple missions where you literally work with an assassin to do stuff. You get a dope outfit at the end too

[@noahsherwood2445]

I wished you talked about things like Caesar being the Father of Understanding or the origins of the Order of Ancients. Or my personal favorite the behind the scenes stories abt figures like Jesus Christ and his attempted resurrection with the Shroud of Eden

[@callumwaters8602]

for the final cypher mentioned, the one in Washington's journal. what if the outer numbers are simply the page numbers, and the inner stays the same, in that the inner circle uses the first number as the line and the second the word? has this been tried?

[@mushro0m914]

The sky of an iceberg is the explanation of an iceberg

[@Illazahl]

How can a simple video game can have so many deep lore, just blows my mind.

[@showmetheway2]

38:58 that's the freemasons symbol on the bottom of the page. The Assassin's symbol is also very close to the Freemason's symbol.

[@mbarkitayeb8006]

By the way, I have more stuff to add Assassin's creed chronicles china, India and Russia In some areas when u turn the eagle vision in specific rooms A date pops up on the wall I tried to track it but I didn't find anything. And in AC3 when you see achelies son's grave with the eagle vision, it shines with blue

[@andrewlaird123]

I love this video, and I love this channel! I wouldn’t get it from any other guy!

[@natiscool]

I'm just trying to tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand.

[@t1czer]

"Reality is simulation" - I see it more like 4th wall moment. Games are the simulations

[@lancejensen9750]

My guy mentioned the movie. May God have mercy upon his soul.

[@them_that_loudly]

Alamut isn't actually a Persian book, but rather a Slovene one, written originally in Slovene, by a slovene author

[@exilestudios9546]

its also mostly fiction made to make a political statement at the time it was written

[@METAL-ADDICT]

Holy crap. That 17 portion had me like 🤯 DESMOND LIVES.

[@daltonrueter1832]

“They’re not part of the same universe” ok explain watchdogs legion lmao

[@Lucas-gz7sc]

Not canon

[@stealth2811]

@@Lucas-gz7sc It is canon

[@stealth2811]

you can kill ac4 animus boss with Aiden, The assassin in legion is a ancestor of Evie and Jacob

[@Lucas-gz7sc]

@@stealth2811 theres an interview with Watch Dogs producers that says its mot canon, its just crossover events and homages

[@notchippy]

that intro is fire tbh

[@mw2cheatsonmychannelbanner442]

1:42 This is why you're my favorite youtuber lol

[@1nterzept661]

I really wish there was an Assassin’s Creed game where the actions of the ancestor affects the outcome the descendant has to face. Like for example, not doing side quests with the ancestor leads to the descendant having difficult missions and having a weaker Assassin influence and more of Templars.

[@galliotintergalactic1328]

21:35 the WatchDogs Legion DLC says otherwise

[@mairaineplayzgames2205]

30:34 pretty sure Edward Kenway sunk the Jackdaw after going back to england with his daughter, as he already created a certain amount of wealth and still having a fleet doing tradework for Edward and so his pirate past could not be traced back to him. i dont remember where i read it, but it sounds reasonable!

[@TommiHonkonen]

when they make a game and realize it makes money and then make more games is when the plotholes start to emerge

[@lascrannon]

An interesting point about the theory that the Present World in AC being a SImulation is that it's *technically* 100% correct. Because it too is *Inside the Video Game* that we are playing!

[@AssassinKody]

there’s apparently no multiverse with assassins creed and watch dogs but… watch dogs legion…

[@eliphas_vlka]

Like a say The main universes arent connectef But in the wd universe there is a alternate version of the ac verse

[@aidenquinn6576]

I believe Desmond is the reader from AC Valhalla, so partially alive ig

[@astyandelacroix8001]

Maybe the outer rings are meant to be deciphered from letter from Thomas Jefferson to James Madison? That's where the quote is from. But zeroes do put a bummer on that, unless the cipher shifts and zero becomes the starting point instead of 1

[@themanofthehour1418]

wow what a fantastic analysis of the lore of this franchise!! i hope people like darby get to see this

[@bstahl52]

hearing him try to pronounce Roanoke was great.

[@emilru4206]

Look at you, deserving more views and subscribers than you already have ❤

[@zpoukiboi1334]

If i remember correctly Edward had the Jackdaw deliberately sunk

[@bgl7702]

One tiny thing- the Roanoke colony was a historical mystery, but we do actually know what happened to them, it's just the investigators at the time were too racist to consider it. The colonists left all sorts of messages pointing to the native people of the neighbouring island, and there are accounts of "native" people with traditionally european features, and mixed children, but because the europeans investigating couldn't be bothered talking to the people they considered lesser, and didn't think any european would do things like- learn and speak the language, intergrate with the people who actually knew how to survive in that enviroment, or have children with native people, it was hyped up as a big mystery. You do mention this, but it wasn't that it was a big mystery and the colonists were trying to hide from the returning governer and investigators- its that they were too racist to consider it.

[@TheKnizzine]

There was also a spanish fort less than a few days travel away. Merging with the natives is more likely but both can potentially be true, at the same time even.

[@lordodium3872]

I always thought Al Mualim was Warren Vidics Ancestor

[@thelastarcadegamer6655]

I remember arguing with somebody over how good or bad nolan north’s voice acting is because of saints row. They said, “he is one of the best voice actors for games!” I just replied, “Desmond miles” and they conceded

[@lalalalala12oo]

At 16:18, I belive this is to be true, at the end of AC3 when (SPOILER) Desmond dies, if you log back into the Animus the voice of Desmond will play saying to enjoy yourself as now YOU play as Connor, I know it was only done so you could keep playing the game after the Main Story, but it is a possibility, that when AC Valhalla came became true.

[@daytonbudreau5437]

Ngl I was mostly playing this as background noise but as soon as I heard the PoP music I immediately tuned in I love those games specifically the 08 game for the PS3 and 360 With Elika as the companion

[@Jameswebbtelescope7484]

This video was interesting. I think how they time Desmond death with the whole 2022 doom thing was perfect especially since 2012 use to be thought of as the end of earth or something like that

[@S3metalsymphony]

I'd love for AC and WD to be in the same universe rather than just having easter eggs. But the latest WD game, Legion, is set in the near future, basically spoiling that even until this time, the world still hasn't ended. Unless it ends up saying that the whole world is a big simulation and the outside is an apocalyptic dystopia. But that would just be Matrix so I doubt it. :P

[@typicaljaydjs7021]

Keep in mind that far cry 2 is a video game in watchdogs. You can find it in one of the boxes in Damian's apartment that you hack into. Also, assassins creed is a videogame in watchdogs because ad the bunker you can watch a kid play it and try to explain it to his dad

[@aidanchaidez7822]

There are literally assassins in watchdogs legion

[@RaraZeCat]

Remember abstergo is also making games about the game? If that makes sense As a form of propaganda and income

[@typicaljaydjs7021]

@@RaraZeCat What I’m saying is Ubisoft says they don’t exist in the same universe, I’m that I believe the assassins creed/far cry universe exists within watchdogs as videogames.

[@marknutt4398]

Watch dogs is apart of the ACU it has missions with publisher of the game “Ubisoft “ And the developers is “ Abstergo “ That’s how it works in the assassins creed universe right

[@master_chief723]

wait but there is so much more that wasnt brought up in this video but was shown on the iceberg scale

[@commanderclown8620]

About Watch Dogs having AC as video games in-universe. We know that Abstergo has made the assassins stories into marketable virtual experiences before.

[@aidenquinn6576]

Does that mean Eivor is a sage of Odin?

[@matthewquackerz3981]

Assassins Creed really might be thee only series where fans would be fine with literally forgetting these past few games and go back and change the storyline right where they killed Desmond . . . We’d literally treat it as the true canon. .

[@3200sam]

I think bayek being related to Altair and Ezio is pretty obvious, and could also be an Easter egg foreshadowing the return of Desmond in the next games

[@russelluwarejnr1273]

Bayek deserves sequel

[@EpicSOB_]

You can get a mission in watchdogs to assassinate the guy from black flag, when anyone says that ac and watchdogs are separated, they are wrong but also correct, thay shared, as in past tense, a universe until ubi got addicted to live service and abandoned all other narrative content

[@spaghettimkay5795]

Chris Chan is a Sage.

[@gingeroverseer9302]

NO. you stop that this instant

[@valeriocapanni]

That's the start of something bad

[@spaghettimkay5795]

@@gingeroverseer9302 Though your mind may deny, you know it to be true in your heart...

[@gingeroverseer9302]

@@spaghettimkay5795 the Iso are NOT from the qwq verse!!!

[@stevenyarnell]

All Ubisoft had to do was conclude modern day story in-game, ie Assassin-Templar conflict and Isu resurrection. They still have the chance to do it post-AC: Valhalla. I can see it now! A kind of a ''Avengers: Endgame'' showdown. Assassins and Templars (temporary alliance) vs Loki and Aletheia.

[@EternalNightingale]

I think with mirage they’ll be wrapping up the Loki Aletheia story that layla started in origins, though I do wonder if they’ll ever touch Desmond and Layla again after Valhalla but i guess it did give some closure for Desmond after his death, and with the whole live service rpg thing there doing with infinite I don’t think we’ll see the end of isu and the mythical side and could very well introduce another modern day character and plot cause every ac has had one to support its story for entering the animus in the first place , ac has been hitting its peak after Valhalla and Ubisoft isn’t slowing down no way they’ll conclude modern day and isu mythology and assassin/Templar conflict in their future games

[@Jmelly99]

I love all the games. Amazing video

[@piercelavigne7124]

Watch Dog Legion had an Entire DLC linking the Two Game Series

[@alexh8110]

Me personally, I believe every ubisoft game is in the same universe cause of all the crossovers 😂 either way a cool concept