The Attempt to Ban the Hunting of Mountain Lions

[@jopo7996]

Leave cougars alone. They just want to have a few drinks and find a younger guy to take home.

[@dertythegrower]

Eye of the cougar make you love long tine.

[@Hatorian1]

F that

[@bradbutterfield5935]

😂

[@jonsalt3241]

Full winter bush !

[@RenoTae]

😂😂

[@moneymaker1986]

In Washington state they cancelled our spring bear hunting. The populations are exploding right now while elk and deer populations are dwindling. I’ve never seen such a poorly run state 🤦‍♂️

[@dirtyswar]

That's on purpose. Bet those cricket farms start popping up in the PNW.

[@Sea_Stallion]

Have you looked at California

[@repetemyname842]

And Biden wants to put grizzlys back in your woods.

[@1ifbyland2ifbysea]

Agree

[@jacobnolan1832]

Just because a population gets larger to reach the same population it USED to be doesn’t mean it’s a problem. Same with deer populations falling, it’s about reaching a balance, not keeping it the same forever

[@problematicspaghettios]

You can go deeper with that theory with hunting. You can tack on that if they essentially legislate hunting out of the equation, that's just one more avenue to attack the 2nd. Even though it has nothing to do with hunting, that still provides them the cover to run agit prop like "you don't even hunt anymore!!!" No need for firearms (or certain firearms) little by little.

[@YourWifesBoyfriend]

They don't like any type of self-sufficiency. Farming, gardening, homesteading, ffs some places regulate rain water collection. You know, rain from the sky? These sick people want to regulate THAT even.

[@Salt_Ed_One1]

Bingo!!

[@urwrstntmre]

Absolutely!

[@steventaylor4740]

Take it one step farther... No training act is also up by the left. No hunting, no training, no firearms.... they have no idea or maybe they do.

[@worldobserver3515]

That's always been the aim of all anti-hunter legislation. No hunting? You don't need guns.

[@minnesotatomcat]

Cougars are so elusive and hard to find there’s almost no way to do an actual count on how many are even out there. There is no shortage of them, they’re just very good at not being seen.

[@gungadingo]

They’re even showing up in cities now. We had one in the basement of a house under construction.

[@codyhaar1966]

@@gungadingo yup, one got hit by a car a couple months ago on 394 just outside of downtown Minneapolis near where I live. Crazy.

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

Oh, we have a cougar specialist here!

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

@@gungadingostop lying. What a strange thing to lie about. Liar.

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

@@codyhaar1966what a fake story. Stoping lying. No one believes that story. What a strange thing to lie about

[@stephenedwardleemusic8997]

thank You Joe!! Im a retired cattle rancher from Az. I appreciate You having the courage to host this dialog

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

You aren’t a retired cattle rancher, you’re a liar. What a strange thing to lie about. And joe won’t even read your comment, why lie in such a public manner?

[@TTFN55]

I grew up on a cattle ranch and can well remember being with my dad when we found calf or deer remains and the call going out to cow hands, neighbors to be on the look out for coyotes and/or wolves. These are predators.

[@chrisspera3192]

We in Colorado have been run over by Communists HELP!!!!

[@bugsthompson]

It takes no courage to stay in your comfort zone lol

[@chrisspera3192]

​@@bugsthompsonAre you in the zone?

[@povilas6403]

counting days until JRE is finally back on youtube baby

[@prolly2stoned420]

How many days left?

[@povilas6403]

@@prolly2stoned420 Joe said episode will comeback yo KZbin "in the coming weeks"

[@KansasFarmer620]

Yeah where KZbin will censor the hell out of it like they do everything else

[@francispitts9440]

City people make everything worse. Selfish and ignorant.

[@prolly2stoned420]

@@povilas6403 appreciate you big dawg

[@deebop3539]

Rinella is the best. I’d like to see him in the show more often.

[@bigglilwayne7050]

Mitchell Rompala strongly disagrees. . .

[@mandyfaith303]

@@bigglilwayne7050 who is that and why?

[@bigglilwayne7050]

@@mandyfaith303 Mitch is the greatest hunter to ever live

[@mandyfaith303]

@@bigglilwayne7050 ohhh okay I just googled him! Lol my bad

[@dshudson]

The ads are out of control on Spotify. Like seriously.

[@3masouri]

Paying for premium to remove ads just to get more 😂

[@blakedavis2447]

@@3masouriback in the day you could watch a 3 hour podcast on KZbin and only see two 30 second ads for the whole show.

[@ComfortablyDumb42069]

You can just skip thru them 🤣

[@joranwilloughby298]

Holy shit, cam and Steve I’ve needed this colab.

[@R1j0hn]

I heard more common sense in the first 5-6 minutes of this podcast than I have in the last 24 hrs on KZbin... 💯 Cam & Steve droppin' knowledge !

[@Chertoff88]

Rinella and Hanes together its Christmas!

[@Semenofthefall]

I'm not even a hunter and podcasts like this fascinate me. More testosterone in that room then Wrestlemania 88 lol

[@MrThickDick]

​@@Semenofthefallhell yeah!! Me too!! Woo-hoo!! But also *than ya know?

[@spade2187]

Just say “it’s coming right for us!”

[@xjum8547]

classic

[@autonomous_collective]

The control of minds and information is more powerful and more effective than any physical weapon in existence.

[@tokebak4291]

Im a hunter. We are indeed the best people on earth and government won't stop us from exercising our gods given rights !!! We are top of the food chains

[@black_hand78]

@@tokebak4291luckily a lot of game wardens are perfectly chill with that. They won’t stop anyone that is clearly just trying to feed their family.

[@mitchellboring2709]

The European fears are still present in the American psyche.

[@spaceisawesome888]

@@tokebak4291your weird trophy hunter just be honest quit doing fuck up shit to other beings who whole life is to just be like you just said you a hole there also top of the top trying to live there’s life’s and you can do so without interfering

[@etiblmca9267]

​@@mitchellboring2709what fears in particular?

[@RickJ916]

My old neighbor in NorCal was feeding the mountain lions. Couple of times I heard a creepy screech thinking I was on Blair Witch project. Was told it was probably the mountain lions

[@finq0997]

yeah they make the craziest sounds when they are in heat. It literally sounds like a possessed witch or something lol. If you hear that at night while camping and don't know what that is, you'll be convinced the woods are haunted.

[@zachkleinwolterink2720]

Oh yeah, imagine being in a treestand when its dark and you hear that noise moving back and forth behind you less than 100 yards away. And that is why i carry a handgun when i bow hunt. (Btw im in NW Iowa)

[@drd1924]

@@zachkleinwolterink2720 Imagine 2 of 'em intercepting you on the road way out in the woods and stopping in front of you staring you down... then one head signals to the other and it suddenly turns 90 degrees positioning for a flanking maneuver

[@zachkleinwolterink2720]

@@drd1924 stay strapped

[@drd1924]

@@zachkleinwolterink2720 Affirmative, I had a .40 on me at the time but didn't think I could dispatch 2 of them if things went wrong...I took the Bear defense theory and upped to a 10mm now....Dang them suckers are BIG when they are only 20 feet away

[@DaltonH31]

Go to pull off number 13 in Garden of the Gods, CO. Round the corner about 100 yards into the trail and listen closely. Hearing a cougar growl without being able to see it was by far the most belittling thing I have ever experienced.

[@thokim84]

Look up. They are never where your eye level will be.

[@debrataylor4509]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@drd1924]

@@thokim84 Thats the way I heard it too, the Loggers have noted that you may walk by 5 of them in a day out in the woods and never even know it.

[@alandavis9644]

I had a white mountain lion in my back yard a month ago. Got a quick video and had a enhancement still made. 2 witnesses with 7 x 50 Nikon , a video and a still, contacted the local conservation agent, he would not give the time of day.

[@debrataylor4509]

What drugs are these guys taking? They are talking down dumb. Is it to a particular audience?

[@fredw3448]

Hey Joe, tell your guests some states you do have to report outcome of your hunt season. Here in Oregon you have to report outcome of deer, elk, bear etc. and the unit hunted or you pay a fine the next season when u buy tag and license.

[@Jeanytherocker]

Yup, had to pay that stupid fine a couple years ago. 😑

[@7EEVEE]

steve rinellas voice sounds like if bert cleared his throat

[@ezrad3]

... dead

[@clamsoup]

I know both sides of the argument pretty well. My grandfather killed over 3,000 wolves in Alaska as a part of trapping, guiding, and as a gun for hire with the USFWS on predator control. I worked for an outfitter for a minute and didn't like the industry at all. Trophy hunters exist, and I call them killers rather than hunters. They just want to kill shit for the bragging rights. And, they don't want to put in the time and energy to honestly hunt. At the end of the day there is a big difference between hunters and killers. The industry tends to market itself to the latter.

[@coreylougheed]

of course trophy hunters exist, there is big money in industry. wolves can be managed w/out amateur hunters getting a adrenaline rush and photo ops IMHO.

[@acjohn6995]

Courageous of you to speak the truth. Game ranches and trophy hunters are scumbags.

[@clamsoup]

@@acjohn6995 I'm not big on calling them "scum bags," What they are is elitists. They have a ticket for sale that is required by the state. The "guide" has a "hunter" without any knowledge of how to trek. That's $18,000 from Spain for nothing. The hit man wanted to pick a bear from the herd we brought into camp. He wasn't a hunter.

[@jameshill8493]

I have a different view when it comes to the big game preserves in Africa. With how those countries are it seems that’s the only way to keep those species alive in those areas

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@jameshill8493 You can pay to keep those species alive without killing any one of those species. That’s a BS excuse. 🤦‍♂️🤡

[@RonWilson-c1n]

I lived in California most of my life, and from 1965 mountain lions started destroying the deer herds in California and have gotten out of control. But if you listen to experts, they say that's not true. Well, let's go to Atascadero California and I will show you how out of control it is.

[@thesebadseeds]

Even down here in Sacramento, we get sightings of mountain lions in Discovery Park from time to time.

[@RonWilson-c1n]

@@thesebadseeds Thank you!

[@thomasfarmer8686]

Deer are out of control here. They're all over the highway making it dangerous to drive at night. I'd love some predators. And no we can't hunt our way out of the population crisis.

[@RonWilson-c1n]

Bullshit!

[@colenewman4639]

@@thomasfarmer8686if done properly you can absolutely hunt your way out of a population crisis of any given species. If done improperly you end up with the whole coyote deal

[@SonoraSlinger]

"ITS COMIN' RIGHT FOR US!!"

[@keegandecker4080]

I live in a teeny little town in Colorado with nothing but blue skies, sagebrush, and mesa landscapes. Two months ago, I found pugmarks, lion prints, right outside my back door.

[@clicheguevara5282]

Yep.. That's what happens when you live in lion territory.

[@keegandecker4080]

@@clicheguevara5282 you never see them but sometimes when I’m smoking at night I’ll randomly feel the hair on the back of my neck stand up

[@lionelhutz5137]

Dems lion prints, son

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

No one cares.

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

@@clicheguevara5282oh so you know everything about lions? Liar.

[@ScottTrapper]

We’re having multiple mountain lion sightings a year now in interior Alaska, which I think coincides with fact that some deer species are moving farther north.

[@ontarian1237]

I'm not a hunter but the Rogan podcasts over the years have helped to open my eyes and educate me on hunting. It is one way to put food on the table. I am able to see hunting in a more balanced way. Previous to these podcasts I only heard from the one side.

[@drd1924]

Also much more healthy than the store bought Frankenmeat

[@jadegreen8034]

There's a difference between ethical hunting, non-predator hunting for food, and predator hunting, trapping, or hounding aka trophy hunting which is barbaric, inhumane, and unethical.

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@jadegreen8034 Agreed 100 percent.

[@erichayton8188]

It was a magic podcast having these 2 legends sit down together. I know there was some friction between the 2, and I hope that is no more and we can expect some collabs.

[@Lurch2u]

February 9th article in the Capital Press about Washington State Fish and Wildlife, the Colville Tribe, and wolves. The tribe is sending 15 wolves to Colorado next year. Too bad our governor isn’t going with them. Steve, Joe, and Cam you guys are awesome! Don’t ever stop! Thank you.

[@mr.Swartz]

Them Hazard boys at it again

[@BrianS-ny9yd]

Hazzard

[@atombom8214]

hazerd

[@MrJintensive]

Daisy duke

[@ninjanik2095]

More like Damned Yankees. Rinella is from west Michigan. A far cry from the confederate south

[@njnature]

Coy and Vance

[@uprebel5150]

We have cougars in the eastern Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Not the kind that are middle aged woman dating young men, but the actual big cat.

[@opegamin]

Lower Pen has em as well. DNR were adamant about them not being in Osceola county. Even though many hunters had pics of em from trail cams. SMH.

[@thenewbohemian5779]

Technically, not a big cat. Cougars are members of the Filidae clade, and not the Pathera clade (big cats).

[@swagkillayolonoscopesgg]

They’re in Ohio for sure

[@aarontarantino2910]

Yep. Saw one about 6 years ago playing disc golf south of Kalamazoo in Three Rivers. Honestly thought I was schizophrenic having hallucinations because I didn’t think they were supposed to be anywhere close to that area.

[@Leo-ob3it]

South Texas has a lot cougars…and I’m not talking about the Big Cats 😅

[@YC1708]

Joe get tucker on your podcast. We want to hear about his Russia trip.

[@ijustshitted3776]

Tucker has become more mainstream since leaving mainstream media.🤣He asked the longest sitting president of our time to talk about AI? Tucker questioning to Putin was awful. I found it comical when Putin brought up Jewish history that's when Tucker decided to cut him off. Comical

[@YC1708]

@@ijustshitted3776 yeah the interview was mid. I think tucker was being careful not to piss off the dems too much.

[@imGeistevereint]

@@YC1708 what a smart statement about an insightful and important interview.

[@YC1708]

@@imGeistevereint already offended mr they/them?

[@stumblingmumbler]

Why do you want to hear from a Russian asset?

[@SusieQZee]

The way he said “husband”. Hahaa😂

[@HyaenaHierarchy]

Weak

[@stickman3938]

Mountain lions regulate their own population by themselves just fine, just like every other animal. Very territorial, one cat covers huge terrain. Not like they are densely populating any one given area.

[@graydoncarruth5044]

Um. No. They are expanding their range which means population pressure in their current range is going above carrying capacity. I’m fine with debating whether that expansion is good or not. But I must say, respectfully, your comment is very uninformed.

[@carlshakespear7345]

@@graydoncarruth5044 60 years of observing mule deer and mt. Lion populations in Utah has proven the prey population regulates the lion population. Yes , there is competition within the species but left unmanaged lions will drive deer numbers to near zero until the lions starve then the deer numbers boom again. Appropriate management of both species moderates the extremes and allows humans to consume some of the bounty. The key is dynamic management .

[@graydoncarruth5044]

@ I completely agree and maybe did not state my thought clearly in my previous comment. The idea of “natural balance” is B.S. Predator and prey populations swing both ways. The point I was trying to make is, if left unmanaged, those wild swings will happen. With the possible (in my view) positive result of predator populations expanding to other areas where they can, again, be properly managed. I do believe predators belong on the landscape just like deer, elk, bighorns et al. But I am a passionate hunter and definitely want to find that balance. My apologies for not being clear in that first comment!

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@graydoncarruth5044 He has the scientific data to back his comment up. What do you have, Mr. Passionate Hunter? 🤦‍♂️🤡

[@graydoncarruth5044]

@@osamanazzal4302 my first question is which “he” are you referring to? As far as scientific data goes, with the advent of modern technology we now have trail cam pictures of loins way farther east than we ever imagined they traveled. That said, based on the research I have read, those cats have been almost exclusively young males looking to find a new territory, not a breeding population. So, yes, I am absolutely a student of the science as well as being a hard core deer and duck hunter down here in the Southeast. And my statement about the dream of “natural balance” still stands. That whole idea is absurd.

[@samwall8390]

Just waiting for the full episodes to be back on KZbin

[@jussihamalainen6920]

get the spotify buddy

[@tech1238]

@@jussihamalainen6920No need, it’s already back on Apple and coming back to KZbin 🔥

[@SteinBergsson]

@@jussihamalainen6920 The fact these people cannot instal FREE app is just staggering

[@SteinBergsson]

It will be censored, for sure.

[@jmhjmhjmh]

Rogan’s spotify exclusivity is ending

[@BrianJMader54476]

Great podcast 👍, Greetings from Whitetail Deer 🦌 Country here in Wisconsin 🇺🇸👍

[@Roger-fs5yo]

It's already illegal to hunt mountain lion in Tennessee and I think Florida👌

[@MrWarren1991]

TBF they are illegal to hunt in Florida due to the Puma being a state animal.

[@nataliedeyton6829]

And they say we do not have any in NC … I have never seen 1 but know of guys that have and I believe them 100%

[@Roger-fs5yo]

@@MrWarren1991 affirmative.... I believe they are also endangered in Florida as well🤔

[@Roger-fs5yo]

@nataliedeyton6829 we've had some sighted here in Kentucky but they was probably the one's passing through on the way to Tennessee🤔

[@2devious724]

The Florida panther is a critically endangered subpopulation of mountain lion. There's only around 200 left if that.

[@solarpanel9085]

“His husband is anti hunter” That still cracks me up!!! How can you say that with a straight face!?!😂😂😂

[@3.0colorado21]

I live in Colorado and I hunt. My buddies and I are absolutely pissed about the wolves and the stupid predator hunting crap. They’re just trying to mess with the hunters, they do not want you getting your own food in any way.

[@DogDog-nw6bk]

Blame all the Cali transplants who voted for this BS.

[@benignassassin]

*killer. Plain and simple Leave our colorado wildlife the fuck alone. Wake up

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@3.0colorado21 No person really needs to hunt predators. Hunt some deer for food. Hunt some bighorn sheep for food. You don’t need to hunt predators for food. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@3.0colorado21]

@ it's about maintaining proper numbers and a balanced ecosystem. You know…conservation. If nobody is hunting the predators, their number grows too large and then the deer, elk, rabbits, ect decrease. There is an old phrase, "one less dog in the bush means one more buck in the field" referring to keeping the number of coyotes down to promote a healthy deer population. Your comment has literally confirmed my point of people that don't know anything about conservation shouldn't vote on it.

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@3.0colorado21 Predators regulate their own populations based on the amount of prey available. They don’t need us to do it for them. By the way, we have no room to talk about their populations when our population is way too high. We are highly overpopulated unlike them. What’s worse is that we’re more detrimental to the ecosystem than they are. We are a disease.

[@brendabeach-s7b]

We live in Colorado and our friend is a big cattle rancher. The ranchers are going to have to implement new way of ranching to offset wolves coyotes, mountain lions or sny other animals targeting live stock. Possibly reintroducing dogs to protect livestock . There are many different breeds of dogs thats just what they do instinctively.

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@brendabeach-s7b Good ideas:)

[@timothywaterman1511]

Wolves have been in Colorado for at least 15 years, I know because I have seen more than one. Wolves aren't over harvesting either... look what they did in Yellowstone. Wolves pushed they herd back to where they need to be and created a better balance to the system. Look up Aldo Leopold and what created the wilderness that we all enjoy

[@hsdgaming555]

Hunters are just insecure people who are trying to compensate for something small 🤣

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@hsdgaming555 Agreed 100 percent.

[@Michael-sf9ym]

JRE coming back to KZbin!

[@joeevett9007]

In Germany they will have large hunts when there is an over population that is adversely affecting crops and the like. They have found a way to keep it in the middle most of the time. Mountain lions are my favorite animal, they are just so beautiful.

[@GhostNinja0007]

3:20 I agree to a point, they shouldn't be able to wipe a species out just cause it's costing them money. If we didntjat to every species that causes problems, wed have to eradicate the human species. Its not the wolves that are causing the problem, its the humans that moving directly into there habitat without a care in the world because they can make money off the land.

[@j.justice6288]

PETA had massive protest in an area of my state many years ago that year they canceled the Fall deer hunting season the result was more dear died from starvation and malnutrition than if they were managed through hunting responsible hunting

[@ALLAHaha]

Peta puts down thousands of dogs and cats each year.

[@HyaenaHierarchy]

It’s true. And if there was a healthy, controlled (by hunting) predator population then the deer wouldn’t starve as much. More of them would be prey to predators.

[@doublelunger1978]

Where and when was that?

[@_permanence]

Deer eat leaves, so you saying they ran out of leaves? Stop making sh** up.

[@SebasLarocque]

There is something that happens every year that causes starvation in overpopulated areas, it's called winter.@@_permanence

[@MN8015HQ]

If you are aren't eating it, it's trophy hunting.

[@toddminett7561]

That's extremely ignorant to reality. Waaay over simplified

[@jzunisixx]

We are finally gonna get back timestamps to Joe Rogan episodes again.

[@Tpanda85]

I did a lion hunt in Nevada. It was a serious process I’d only do once. I went to Vegas afterwards and met an Uber driver from Cameroon. He had no idea he moved from lions to mountain lions and we had a good laugh about it

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

What a strange fake story. Why make that story up and lie like that?

[@worldobserver3515]

The cougars in Vegas are quite different.

[@Smoked_Calamari]

This is the kind of subject that needs to be debated. Not just have a one sided conversation.

[@joeychaseschecks9188]

Literally was hearing joe talk about gorrila vs lions and tigers when this popped up lol

[@brucejemcek6986]

Literally literally literally. Dumb.

[@brendabeach-s7b]

My husband and friends are hunters and hunt and fish to provide food for their families. For many reasons, you have to actually work for your food, healthier food ( real free range) , and their motto is you only take what you need and you eat what you get. Only one time in my husbands 30 plus years of hunting has one of his friend's had to shoot a mountain lion ( for his own safety) my husband nor any of his friends trophy hunt . Not judging but maybe people should only be taking what they need to live.

[@ethansancti2864]

If you want Joe to go berzerk, include bears.

[@WanderingWilfords]

Love, love, love Steve Rinnella such a bad ass.

[@chrisstiles7155]

Finally…Cam & Steve

[@freeman7079]

It’s funny to me how much of a gatekeeper Joe is when it comes to bow hunting. As a life long bow hunter and hunting guide in New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas…we aren’t elitist like Joe is. Joe is the picture perfect example of someone who came into the hunting world late in life and now tries to inflate his own self worth as a hunter by acting as if only the best, most in shape, and disciplined people can do it. Anyone can learn to bow hunt. You don’t need a mantra and you’re not sub par if you use a whisker biscuit. If you ambush hunt, or hunt in a stand you’re not less of a hunter than some who does still/stalk hunting. You don’t have to hike 5 miles into the backcountry. You can hunt in your back 40 and it’s just as valid. It’s really funny to listen to Joe on this topic because he really isn’t as well versed as he thinks he is…he just repeats what he hears other people say. The guys a goofball. Everybody should learn to hunt…even if that means sitting in a blind with a feeder. As long as you’re ethical, safe, and careful about which animal you choose to take.

[@lowellcalavera6045]

😂 In what twisted universe is “sitting in a blind with a feeder” “ethical”?

[@Ireland831]

@@lowellcalavera6045 I can see hunting boar/feral pigs as they are invasive, but that is funny about a blind and feeder is "hunting".

[@Chertoff88]

Joe's rant is hilarious 😂. He has two serious experts on and he does all the talking 😅

[@olliemunchies]

Full JRE podcasts are coming back to youtube!

[@Non-Negotiable]

There are statics on every thing. Just gotta know where to look.

[@CharlieAligaen]

Welcome back your podcast on Apple and KZbin!

[@Tilted_Insomniac]

you can love animals, appreciate and respect nature, and also hunt. you dont have to be one or the other

[@clicheguevara5282]

That's 100% true - unless you're a trophy hunter. No excuse for that crap.

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

Hack comment. We know.

[@hsdgaming555]

Hunters are just insecure people who are trying to compensate for something small 🤣

[@flyawayq5115]

@@hsdgaming555 projecting

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@flyawayq5115 Well, the trophy hunters are what he says they are. But the people who ethically hunt are not what he says they are. So he’s right, but about the trophy hunters.

[@randeezydizzle]

I'm very opposed to banning mountain lion hunting, but this is an astoundingly low IQ discussion, especially from Cam Hanes.

[@princessadora]

are you opposed to hunting you?

[@Rylanor_The_Unyielding_31]

​@@princessadorabut who are you to judge or decide your self morally selfrighrous decision making is no better or worse

[@21bkier]

Why would you be opposed to banning it?

[@randeezydizzle]

@@21bkier the cougar population needs to be managed. Allowing cougar hunting achieves management goals while making money for Parks and Wildlife.

[@21bkier]

@@randeezydizzle oh my bad I read you first comment wrong I thought you were saying you were against it 😂 I need to bust out a dictionary and learn the word opposed

[@chuckspace2700]

700 acres in Maine. Nobody is stopping me.

[@probuilder961]

Mt. Lions in Maine??

[@chuckspace2700]

Hunting as a resource. Silly goose

[@KansasFarmer620]

98,000 acres for me no one is stopping me

[@chipsammich2078]

8 million acres here..

[@GooberGunkThe3rd-ik2tl]

1million acres no one is going to stop me.

[@beaubellamy2999]

Is this a podcast with Cam Hanes and Steve Rinella on the same podcast!?!?

[@dhand34]

Trophy hunting is killing stuff you don’t eat. You do it for the pelt or mount. Most people are opposed to that, 70-75%. Look at east WA and OR, where they came in on their own. Friction is just as bad.

[@fireburn247]

Steve is a trophy hunter

[@ButtersMD610]

As a life long Colorado resident it’s been a rough decade. This state is basically going full California, it’s like cheating off the dumbest kid in class. Our Governor is a clown and his ilk are destroying this state one step at a time. These guys absolutely nailed it all!

[@imyourdad7593]

cam and rinella together? ive been waiting for this for a long time. Is there a reason why they dont interact more, or was there a reason? It seems like they should be best buds lol

[@ninjanik2095]

Send him some fanmail, might get an autographed pic back

[@Buddystemz]

Prob cuz rinella is overbearing, talks to much, thinks he knows everything, and a lil conceited. Both alpha types but cam doesn’t think he’s a know it all unlike rinella. If you’ve ever been around a person like that, it’s draining.

[@colenewman4639]

@@Buddystemzthat’s just how you feel about him. In reality, he’s an extremely smart man and a seasoned hunter in every aspect of the game. You’re just a hater

[@Buddystemz]

@@colenewman4639 not in the slightest. Didn’t say he didn’t know things, he’s just an arrogant know it all.

[@colenewman4639]

@@Buddystemz being a “know it all” and actually knowing it all are two mutually exclusive things. Steve knows it all. And he informs others of things that he knows. Again, you’re just a hater. And judging by your last comment, you’re on par with the average American (stupid)

[@jescollo]

I wonder if not posting full podcasts on KZbin was in the new contract. I’m all for it.

[@korycolorado]

Mounting Lions attacked a couple dogs recently in summit county Colorado. Mitigation is key! Sitting on the Polis just wanted credit for the reintroduction of wolves even though they came in naturally....

[@tommyrsrracer]

I disagree with they all hate hunters, I have a lot of friends who are animal rights activists, they don’t hate hunting of deer, elk, pronghorn, sheep, moose and etc, they hate hunting of bears, mountain lion, coyote and wolves for some reason, but let’s be honest, there a lot of hunters who hate animal rights activist, it’s both sides. Yes I’m a big game hunter also.

[@chrisstockton7153]

How about them thinking it's a good idea to introduce Grizzly bears in Northern Arizona animal population. I'd rather only have the Black Bears, especially when having one walk up on me and only being about 20 yards away from me. Scary shit

[@BOBRY1975]

they want to do that in CO too

[@JonnyG0969]

They did just release grizzly in Colorado

[@BOBRY1975]

@@JonnyG0969 really? fuck...

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@chrisstockton7153 Go cry about it.

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@BOBRY1975 Go cry about it.

[@chronic124]

I was a supervisor/volunteer coordinator at a wildlife sanctuary and have been working with wildlife for over 10 years. None of these guys are wildlife experts, mountain lions are a keystone species. Many other species rely on them directly or indirectly to survive. Absolutely no need to hunt mountain lions, there’s tons of game animals to hunt. It’s a natural predation that occurs when mountain lions are hunting they’re not devastating deer populations.

[@worldobserver3515]

What crap. Mountain lions take out a lot of deer. Fact.

[@chronic124]

@@worldobserver3515 Mountain lions eat deer as they have for 1000’s of years. These are species that have evolved together and as a result they have a natural balance with the each other

[@worldobserver3515]

@@chronic124 it's not in balance anymore.

[@chronic124]

@@worldobserver3515 recent studies conducted on mountain lions shows no change in their diet or population. They don’t just eat deer, feral pigs, javelinas, coyotes, bighorn sheep and many others are also on the menu.

[@oglocbaby520]

@@worldobserver3515 There are many states that have out of control deer populations. Not that long ago there was some talk in the state of Maine where they were considering reintroducing mountain lions. I'm not sure if you've ever been there, but the vast majority of the state is incredibly rural and barely populated, so it could potentially work. I even saw something very similar with New Jersey, but this was quickly dismissed due to how developed the state was.

[@KonigGustavAdolph]

@13:30 Steve, you know damn well that is not how they see things in Cheyenne.

[@incorrigiblewizardry106]

You know damn well he won’t read this.

[@KonigGustavAdolph]

@@incorrigiblewizardry106 I know damn well dams decently well. And wells decently damn.

[@stephenkearny1504]

Great to see Rinella on the show again! Cam seems like a great guy, but not very interesting when Joe just has Cam on the show only. Steve is a great story-teller so his presence really adds a lot to the overall conversation. Entertaining show as a result!!

[@stephenkearny1504]

Great point that Cameron makes that hunters are not very supportive of each other. The environmental and activist groups that try to ban things like Mt. Lion hunting feed off of this fact. They know we will not ban together well. So I fully agree with these guys that hunters need to do better particularly if we want great conservation to continue to happen. Like the conservation that TR, Grinnell, and others have given to us to steward.

[@Fishifyed]

We live in a time of Karen’s! You can’t even fish w/o hassle.

[@valentoMundrov]

Why would one hunt a Mountain (or any) Lion... except for "lion-kiling-experience" or trophy? Are you guys saying you need to kill a lion to put food on table??

[@IhateAlot718]

They are full of it , they are trying to drag in food availability and ranchers to justify killing them for sport. They also think deers are going to go extinct because of the mt. Lions. They are fear mongering

[@Master_Yoda1990]

People do eat Mountain Lion, the same as bear.

[@craigfinno551]

Also theyre dangerous

[@coldwarfare1429]

Meat is meat

[@jameshill8493]

People technically don’t need to hunt to put food on the table anymore, so lots of hunting is both food and the hunting experience. You are also forgetting population control. Also people eat mountain lion

[@Ally.Cat.252]

That dude looks like Pauly shore in the thumbnail

[@adamcuneo7189]

It's easy to say you want to "ban the killing of mountain lions", when you don't have your own ranch with cattle, horses, etc.

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@adamcuneo7189 Learn to protect your livestock better. You have no sympathy from me. 🤦‍♂️🤡

[@Лена_Кузнецова]

Those animals do what they have to do to survive

[@allenforbus9020]

Here in California Mountain Lions have been protected for more than thirty years. Now the Lion population in California has increased so much that the Lion population is more than there was 300 years ago!

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@allenforbus9020 Good.

[@CR-zd7jb]

Up here in Quebec, we used to have mountain lion populations and even a brown bear population, but they were all wiped out (as far as we know) about 60 years ago. This was their natural eastern range, and it’s a shame they have been wiped out due to “they are bad and scary”. You need to be careful as to not extinct a population for the sake of some farmers. This isn’t the early 20th century, we can figure out new ways to figure out population balance.

[@O6i]

where im from we release a mountain lion every year or 2 into the mountains to keep the deer population down

[@bradbutterfield5935]

Where are you from ?

[@O6i]

@@bradbutterfield5935 in the woods in Northern Quebec

[@jeremywendell5501]

Why don't they just stretch out the season And encourage more out-of-area hunters. It would create more revenue and potentially boost your local economy.

[@BoSsGAmer_85]

My cat jumps higher than Vince Carter

[@Cbart23]

Get em in the dunk contest then eh

[@Graver81-69]

Where I live people are told Mountain Lions aren’t around but they are. They’re just rare enough to where interactions between them and domesticated animals like cattle, goats and horses are a rare occurrence. People don’t actively hunt them, but sometimes an unwanted encounter does occur. I myself have only had three encounters with a lion and only one of those situations resulted in serious injury to a horse and an unfortunate incident that resulted in the lions deletion from the census

[@chrischapman1613]

Pennsylvania, by chance?

[@Graver81-69]

@@chrischapman1613 no sir. Think more south, but in the Appalachian mountains. You’re on the right path. These events took place in North Carolina

[@tbirdstube2618]

This channel could be a 50k plus Channel one day no problem

[@MatthewNGolding]

Unless it's a nuances to the community, an obviously it's being hostile, a mountain lion, and wolves are apex predators an are a vital role to the entire ecosystem of an area, and shouldn't be hunted, it's pretty much trophy hunting outside of those circumstances, if it's not hostile, especially a mountain lion or wolf it's just a big cat and dog, but have to respect the fact they're wild, feral, animals, an you can't be stupid and forget that fact, and taking away mountain lions, and wolves food and they eat elk will lead to an imbalance in the ecosystem, to the plant seeds in the elks droppins, and lead to more hostility of nature, due to basic necessity of life.

[@PeterBall-y9s]

You can trap lynx

[@Dogatemyhomework927]

I lived in Santa Barbara for a while. No shortage of cougars there

[@kylelay6858]

Rinella & Hanes on the same Pod... this is better than the Superbowl

[@Ryukin224]

“They can’t ban flavored nicotine in California!” Also “Put tariffs on soda!” Selective liberties based on lifestyle, hilarious.

[@damiencrowe714]

I'm a meat eater, I will hunt if needed. I do have something against millionaires tho that think they should go out and hunt. You don't have to do that. You are technically going against the balance of buying produce from a hunter . You have the money, he doesn't. Would you be doing this Joe for the thrill of the hunt alone? I am a big fan of yours but this needs to be put in prospective.

[@hailmary30-06]

You can't buy wild meat, it's illegal. Doesn't matter how much money you have. Some people prefer it to farm raised. Rich or poor we all have a right to hunt.

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@hailmary30-06 Hunting for fun is wrong.

[@sseaga]

Dude i am a life long hunter and big cat hunting is absolutely 100% trophy hunting. The fake that some people eat lion meat doesn't stop it from being a trophy. Noone has meat taxidermied and mounted on the wall.

[@CountryBoyMakinNoise]

Plenty of people eat em that shoot them, or meat is given to native pops. Either way, management of any wild animal is necessary no matter how you look at it. Hunting is more about conservation and management than anything else. Whether you consider certain hunting “trophy hunting”. If you consider a cougar hunt trophy hunting, then every predator would fall underneath the same term. Varmint hunting would then also be thrown into the mix given your stance on “people don’t eat them”. People don’t eat coyotes, prairie dogs, foxes, etc, but they’re a nuisance and sustainable so they have to be managed.

[@victorgutierrez6209]

I will agree but the numbers lions need to be managed. I would rather the states let lion hunting legal and tax the hell outa it and all that $$$ can go back into conservation.

[@itzorca3997]

@@victorgutierrez6209 mountain lions dont exactly reproduce very fast. I wouldn't be worried

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@victorgutierrez6209 Mountain lions can manage their own populations. They don’t need us to do it for them.🤦‍♂️

[@osamanazzal4302]

@@CountryBoyMakinNoise There is nothing ethical about trophy hunting or hunting predators for “management”. Humans are such hypocrites. 🤦‍♂️🤡

[@_Magnum_Opus]

I had a wolf hybrid when I was in my mid 20s, she was abandoned by a crackhead and I took her as my dog. I was so stressed whenever she got out of my yard because something in the neighborhood usually died when that happened. Birds wouldn't land on the property because of her but she was one of the most loyal animals I've ever known. I miss her very much 😢

[@MikeG82]

What did it kill when it got out?

[@_Magnum_Opus]

Typically wild animals like groundhogs and raccoons. She got ahold of a few skunks and didn't get sprayed (I thought that was impressive) and quite often the neighbor's pets. She drug a deer carcass from across the field once this time of year, I fed her raw meat whenever I was able to and even had special dog food that was higher in protein. Eventually the farmers behind the house sprayed some pesticides that got carried to my yard by the wind and she had epileptic fits before she died one morning. I sent letters to my congressmen however I don't know how much it helped. I was one of the first in my area to raise awareness about that sorta thing.

[@_Magnum_Opus]

I didn't know it at the time but it's possible that she wasn't legal to have without a permit. Her percentage of hybridization was high enough that she only went in heat once a year and she was very different from normal dogs. I just know that she liked me feeding her when her previous owner abandoned her and never came back. I took her everywhere and stayed covered in hair. She was solid white with golden eyes and a mouth full of daggers but she was very lovable to me. The day before she left you would never have known she was an abused animal. She was fearless and she was not alone.

[@MikeG82]

@@_Magnum_Opus it killed neighborhood pets?

[@_Magnum_Opus]

Not all of them, she liked this little bulldog and she did allow a pit bull to mount her when she was in heat (I gave my friends the puppies) but she attacked him when he came back two weeks later She. She got killed several other small dogs and even a Rottweiler that showed aggressive behavior towards me. I never seen her attack cats however I am pretty sure she got a few. I had to pay for some because they were expensive breeds of little dogs. Pomeranians

[@timpounds42069]

they should ban mountain lion hunting in areas where there are a lot of deer, and make deer hunting legal year round in some areas, im sick of dodging deer with my car several times a month where i live it is ridiculous, theyve smashed my grills, cracked my radiators, ruined my headlamps, its crazy how many deer we have in some places. mountain lions can take down deer, mostly doe i would imagine its not easy for them but they still do it.

[@alexanderdavis5332]

I learn so much on this channel! The Egypt theories are just amazing! I went down the Joe Rogan wormhole last night 😅

[@Luckyleft7]

People who kill things for fun are sick in the head

[@hsdgaming555]

Hunters are just insecure people who are trying to compensate for something small 🤣

[@TheRealPenguinator]

@@hsdgaming555 You clearly have no idea what actual hunters do

[@hsdgaming555]

@@TheRealPenguinator enlighten me. You “think” you do .

[@DingaLingu]

I would assume that most hunters love animals more than some animal rights activist

[@internettoughguy]

Saying you love animals then going out and killing them is hipocrisy.

[@jdcreed92]

​@@internettoughguy hunting at the very least will teach you to respect your target species. I love animals... ive been hunting all my life

[@internettoughguy]

@@jdcreed92 If you love animals you shouldn't be "targeting" them in the first place. You don't actually "love" animals. You derive pleasure from killing them. You just say you love them in order to justify your behaviour and to make yourself feel good about it.

[@jdcreed92]

@@internettoughguy i feel good about it either way. Its not a justification. I kill almost exclusively for food. I just got done eating some raccoon. I like raccoons and think theyre cool and surprisingly smart... and delicious same goes for a lot of animals. Ive loved animals since i was a little kid always watching nature documentaries and keeping all kinds of pets and what not. Still enjoy hunting. I can seperate the feelings its not for everybody

[@DingaLingu]

@@internettoughguy hunting is not killing,

[@davidhowell8407]

Here's a pretty good rule of thumb if any part of the kill went up on your wall it was a trophy.

[@manbot6424]

There's a difference between hunting for a trophy only (trophy hunting) and keeping one on top of the other material gained from hunting and animal. You missed that difference.

[@jspur22]

lol. that is not how it works at all. holy shit.

[@roguemanoutdoors]

Thats a very uneducated way to think about it.

[@JohnSmith-j7n]

Were you using even half your brain when you posted this comment or was the entire thing turned off?

[@iknapp98]

One of the best JRE clips ever

[@shubhamthakur2212]

Please add audio track 🙏🙏

[@robertdudley-rx8qo]

mans ego or God complex will be his own undoing

[@osamanazzal4302]

Agreed 100 percent. Man is too arrogant to live around other animals. Man thinks thin self the best, but fails to realize that he is nothing but a disease.

[@JUMBOTATERS]

I hate the "wolves kill livestock, poor ranchers" argument in Colorado because any livestock lost a wolf is being compensated at double market price.

[@russellheifort5054]

You don't get the point, it's your tax dollars paying me ranchers, your state just fucked you

[@TheBGYeti]

Seriously I want a diverse ecosystem if ranchers were never compensated yeah change that so theu are but barely any livestock will be affected and theu get ample compensation

[@katemcdonald1323]

I'm a born and raised Texas Gal, and I'm very much against hunting mountain lions. In Texas, not only can big cats be killed throughout the year, the lack of regulation allows for inhumane fates for the animals. No regulations require monitoring of traps, causing mountain lions and young to perish in traps from starvation, heat or lack of water. Some pumas chew off their appendages to free themselves from leghold traps, saving their life but severely hampering their ability to hunt or escape, and leaving them open to disease and premature death. It's pure animal cruelty, might as well go to Australia for some kangaroo hunting and that be okay too, eh! It's very upsetting that mountain lions aren't protected, especially in my home state, Texas! 💔

[@CKB-r2i]

"Nobody does that", Yes.. they do.. I live in Australia, and a friend of mine worked as a 'deckie' on a Super yacht which travelled a ludicrous distance for seemingly no purpose.. only for him to find out they'd brought back the taxidermy of an endangered species (which the owner had shot) from one country back to the owner's estate in Texas (US).. running costs were x6figures to do that journey.

[@randystalker4093]

I live in Louisville KY and my wife and I almost hit a mountain lion within a half mile from our house. It was hunting deer and probably sheep at a farm nearby. These animals are very good at staying hidden. There's more of them around than people know

[@NDnf84]

There isn't. You live in sprawling suburbia.