The Dangers of Reintroducing Wolves to Colorado

Taken from JRE #1955 w/Cliff Gray:
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[@Stranger_In_The_Alps]

Wolves are vicious. There was this one time a poor little girl almost got eaten. Unfortunately it got her grandma before a brave woodman saved her. There was another time a mean wolf destroyed homes by blowing them down.

[@boriskohnson3006]

These homes you speak of mustn’t of had proper tiedown or bracing. And what method of blowing were the wolves using? The huff n puff method or?

[@spockboy]

I heard about that. Bloody awful animals.

[@seafoam6119]

@@boriskohnson3006 I won’t tell you by the hair on my chinny chin chin.

[@chadmann2724]

I remember a wolf that scared the ever living shit out of puss in boots

[@LSRepts]

You know what else kills a lot of children, much more so than wolves? Pitbull's.

[@shootthemoon6072]

I think reintroducing grizzly bear to California would fix alot of our idiocy problems in this country.

[@zac.s]

We don't need cocaine bear 2.0

[@scottcantdance804]

You would need them in the cities.

[@Aohhmadone]

@@zac.s Hollyweird Cocaine bears 2.0😂

[@norwegianblue2017]

Definitely fix the homeless problem. Urban grizzlies FTW!

[@AB-qt4dj]

Brilliant idea. Colorado should do the same. No grizzlies since 1976.

[@hittjett]

I spent 20 years as an outfitter in the Yellowstone wilderness. The wolves and I came to Yellowstone the same year. The changes that they brought to that ecosystem were nothing short of miraculous. Yellowstone went from being a feedlot for elk to a thriving ecosystem with 50% fewer coyotes. The beaver, the vegetation, and all the songbirds returned. I would have never believed the transformation I witnessed if I hadn't seen it for myself.

[@gbhnjmkiol]

Tell me you're talking out of your ass without even telling me lmfaoo 🤡🤡

[@younggarden_]

😊😊

[@autumndh]

How Jet…..explain

[@hittjett]

@@autumndh it was pretty simple. They brought balance to the ecosystem. They killed the excess coyotes and elk, and then the vegetation returned. In turn, this provided habitat for the beaver and songbirds. Once the balance to the ecosystem was restored, the wolf numbers diminished, and everything began to work in harmony, as it had for millions of years before we came and removed the apex predator.

[@Captain_Yami_Sukehiro]

@Bud Ridenour its ni different than doing controlled wildfure burns it looks destructive but in a year or 2 it will be flourishing instead of a bunch of dead grass

[@bobsmith2637]

I live in western Alberta, my area is a mix of farmland, ranches and forest. None of the large predators were ever eradicated out here, and we still have healthy populations of grizzlies, black bears, cougars and wolves. They do sometimes kill livestock and pets but life goes on, it's just the way things are, predators will be predators. People still manage to hunt, fish, camp, hike and enjoy other outdoor pursuits, you just have to take precautions when you're out and understand that you're in the wild, even if it's just on the outskirts of town. Encounters happen but attacks on humans are rare, especially from wolves. A lot of people don't realize how common they are or how far these predators range east of the mountains, there are wolves and black bears in the Wabamun area (less than 50 miles west of Edmonton) and grizzlies not much farther west. Wolves have even recolonized Elk Island National Park on their own, this is to the east of Edmonton, in the middle of settled farmland, and this population will likely expand farther south in the future. I probably wouldn't have voted to reintroduce wolves to Colorado but with a healthy population in Wyoming it was probably only a matter of time before they found their way south again. This won't be the end of the world for the locals, they'll just have to adjust a bit and learn how to live with wolves in their area again.

[@coffeeortea547]

What does the adjustment broadly look like? On the top of my head, I'm guessing fencing up farmland, making sure stables and barns and whatnot are more secure. Like Joe said, pet cats and dogs probably can't roam around anymore. Maybe hikes and campers will have to carry like a shotgun for protection. Is it mostly stuff like that?

[@bobsmith2637]

@@coffeeortea547 pretty much that, don't leave trash and food outside, watch your pets more closely, have guard animals for livestock, and just accept that occasionally losing an animal to predators is part of life and not the end of the world. Carrying bear spray is definitely a good idea and guns have their place in predator deterrence, but I wouldn't go so far as saying that carrying a gun while outside is a must. Again, this is Canada and our laws about having firearms while out in public spaces are a bit more restrictive than in the U.S. In particular firearms are not allowed in our national parks and attacks on hikers and campers are equally rare there.

[@TheLumberJacked]

I have a friend up in Alberta who loves on an acherage outside of Alberta’s capital city. So quite a populace place. Anyhow he and his family had walked his property along the fence line with snow shoes last winter, he told me he had seen occasional prints he thought could be wolf, and hear them, but it wasn’t until the night after was liking his property, he went out to check his chicken coop, he was using the flashlight on his iPhone, he was about 15’ away from his coop when out of the darkness loomed a large wolf, that came around the edge of the coop and went between him and his coop. As it did it took one look at him and he said the raw intelligence was breathtaking. It looked at him and immediately wrote him off as not a threat. It didn’t change its pace or direction it just lopped along with these long legs. He said his flashlight wasn’t even on the highest level so when the wolf came out of the darkness it was like it was there and then it wasn’t. He quickly figured out why the wolf had used that route through his property, it was because they had snowshoed along his property line through deep snow and being efficient the wolf simply used it to travel. He said it was probably a young male that hadn’t yet found his own pack. Needless to say, I was impressed. I’ve heard Alberta is Gods country and between wolves and wolf packs roaming around major cities to the mountains and the prairies it seems like it would be a stunning place. I want to visit sometime. Oh he also told me that he has found cougar prints and that while they have an enormous range they are surprisingly common in Alberta (relatively speaking) all that farmland really does allow wildlife to keep away from more populated areas. Here in Colorado that would be unthinkable, in Alberta it’s just another day and I find that really amazing. Clearly they figured out how to make it work and isn’t Alberta a huge producer of meat herds? So obviously it can work.

[@TheLumberJacked]

Hey sorry I hadn’t read to the part about elk island. Ya my friend said he believes that wolf on his property was from an Elk Island pack. I had no idea how special elk island was until he told me something about it. I get why it’s a national park now, it’s extremely unique and self introduction of wolves east of Edmonton is just amazing. Well, visiting is on the bucket list now.

[@bobsmith2637]

@@TheLumberJacked your friend is spot on about cougars, but they are very, very secretive and stealthy, you can live in cougar country for a decade and never get a good look at one. They also reintroduced themselves to the Elk Island area some years ago, before the wolves returned. Alberta is a very stunning place and it's a lot bigger than people think, it would take a whole day to drive across east-west and even longer north-south. And about half of the whole area is still wilderness. The mountain parks are especially beautiful and are the best places to see wildlife. Regarding predator co-existence, I also think that over 100 years of sustained hunting pressure and the more modern selective culling of individual problem animals (i.e. garbage-addicted bears) has produced a change in the behaviour of wolves, cougars and bears. They no longer seem to automatically view people as prey and try to avoid us whenever possible. The majority of close encounters and attacks that I am aware of involve a bear being surprised or defending cubs and/or a food source, or wolves or cougars going after domestic dogs, they both seem to still view dogs as prey or competition and will take them yet leave nearby humans alone.

[@hugjuffs]

15 minutes of talking about wolves and Joe didn't make a single wolf noise. Very impressed with your willpower, Joe!

[@xz-187]

He didn't make any single grizzly voice either when he discussed that animal in this very same podcast. I applaud for his self-restraint as well 😂.

[@PaulineXCX]

Hahahhaha

[@dreamersdisease2481]

Bears really turn him on

[@jtthor3068]

Owhhhhuuuu 🐺

[@autumnthomas3923]

Or a bear noise lol

[@nicosmind3]

It's amazing that wolves learned how to ballot and are now reintroducing themselves throughout the world.

[@VestigialHead]

They will be on Wall Street before we know it.

[@WeighedWilson]

AI rigged the vote in order to get rid of humans.

[@goldilox369]

​@@VestigialHead 😂

[@martinh1437]

Paws for thought

[@Mike-xi4zt]

@Michael Sørensen why would you want to keep them,? So they can chase and maim and kill game animals 365 days out of the year and not have to pay any fees or be arrested by a game warden for killing over the limit or out of hunting season. Wolves are not beneficial to other animals who have to survive in the same place where they have wolves chasing, biting, and ripping out ungulates entrails before they are even dead.

[@ianperez5122]

Wolves are insane. There was one that blew down like 10 houses

[@jerryrice8507]

10 houses is not that bad

[@paranoid2867]

i heard it was 20…

[@garse70]

😂 huffed and puffed

[@user-eo2pi6cq5m]

You made me laugh out loud

[@jsmith8646]

Yeah he was the Peado Wolf that got caught stalking some girl wearing red, they put a GPS collar on him after that.

[@brandoncruise6398]

This has been an interesting topic to me for a very long time. There are multiple sizes did the story but I’ll try to keep it simple. In the 18 to early 1900s wolves were hunted to near eradication but not because of an irrational fear, but because they were seen as competition. Because they were seen as competition they were seen as a nuisance that needed to be eradicated. After that happened, deer became too plentiful for the land to be able to handle, so plant life was drastically affected. People look at the woods today and think that that is a normal site, but what is seen is not home a wood is supposed to be. Entire ecosystems are destroyed. There is no man made machine that can do for an ecosystem daily what a top predator does. Unfortunately, people have gotten used to not having to protect themselves. We’ve gotten used to not paying attention when going outdoors. People love the idea of nature bouncing back, but are not willing to put up with the dangers that need to come with it. Ironically, this is especially true for many people who want to move into the wilderness to “ get closer to nature”. If you wanna be close to nature, have a gun and/or some dogs.

[@joerodriguez3002]

Great way to say it. So true.

[@dhooter]

It's not necessarily the wolves that are the problem. It's the roads and logging roads. Giving wolves easy access to prey is devastating. It's proven they use these roads. Wolves can move crazy milage. They move on quicker to kill more and shit we can bring the pups too. Watch Steve Isdahl he explains this in detail. He is a hunting guide in the Canadian Rockies.

[@Khornedevotee]

@Bob1934 Well then that was on that lady's part. She knew the risks and she paid for it.

[@Johhny_B]

@Bob1934 That's a sad story. Poor Labradoodle 😭😭

[@Ap_twsh]

Yup, if you live in the “wild” then you should expect the conditions that come with that.

[@bikinggreg]

The ballot initiative to reintroduce wolves in Colorado only passed in Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs; areas where the wolves aren't being reintroduced. The communities that are going to be impacted soundly rejected the ballot initiative.

[@claywells784]

@@woketopian112 if that is true how come the elk population in Yellowstone is as healthy as ever? Your point is invalid.

[@libertariansasquatch]

@@woketopian112 Wolf populations have actually made the ecosystems better, where they have been Re-introduced

[@woketopian112]

​@@claywells784 if you guys are so obsessed with Yellowstone why don't you live there?

[@tylermassey5431]

​@@libertariansasquatch still doesn't excuse people dropping them onto other people's property.

[@kaiserkonnigratzer1528]

@@woketopian112 Elk coexisted with wolves for millions of years, they’ll be fine. If you really cared about the elk you’d be calling for the humans to get removed lol.

[@trickyhickey69]

I live in northern Ontario, and when I was a kid, my grandfather had five Clydesdale horses. Every night you could see the eyes glowing in the tree line, but they never did make a go at it. They hung around for three years every winter they were there in that tree line For five hours every night looking for any sign of weakness

[@gregcushing1716]

Where abouts are you ? I been up in Moose Factory twice and seen wolves a few times but never had any problems with them. Currently live in Ottawa and am super jealous of anyone living in North Country 🇨🇦💪

[@satanicrepublican4781]

I imagine Clydesdale vs Wolf would go about like Donkey vs Coyote, and the Wolves knew it.

[@richardmueller7023]

Nowadays we have thermal. No more hiding in the dark.

[@boosyaa]

@@gregcushing1716what’s so significant. about northern canada?

[@gregcushing1716]

@@boosyaa the peace & quiet for one,the wildlife. All sorts of different things.

[@walbert801]

I live in the canyons of Colorado and this year there is an initiative to discourage people from living there. One issue we ran into was the fire insurance cost. Our fire insurance went from $ 8:02 1200 a year to $6000 a year. I asked the insurance broker why the premium had gone up so drastically and he iterated they don’t want you to live there. Through drought, the water table has dropped in the Rockies leading many residents to convert to cistern reservoirs for water. This means you have to buy water by the truckload or fabricate your own transport system to bring water to your property. Wolves are insurance. People move quickly to the high density residential areas within the urban envelope. In my canyon. The lions in one year killed 26 pets. I’m sure this will be exacerbated by this introduction.

[@The_k1d206]

I'm assuming if you live in a area with high risk of wildfires your insurance is going to be high

[@Iceman_Cool]

Why would insurance care where you lived? Big corporations dont care about the environment, only profits

[@riccardostucchi1423]

In italy we have more than 3000 wolves and they do not cause so many problems, it always seems to me that you freak out over nothing in the US

[@Reed411]

That is 100% true. Many rural Americans still believe in the fairy tails of the big bad wolf and glorify those who killed the last one. They have let irrational fears dominate their lives and culture.

[@henoch44]

Let me guess, you live in the city in Italy and have no clue what those wolves are actually doing.

[@Reed411]

@@henoch44 Maybe we do know what the wolves do and we just don't care who gets in the way.

[@jp-cb8wc]

As a Colorado voter to put this in perspective I asked one of my very liberal friends what he voted for when it came to reintroducing wolf's. He said yeah I voted yes why not I mean why not bring them back. This is the extent of The knowledge that most people that voted yes are bringing to the table.

[@andyc9902]

They save Forrests

[@brownsound545]

Do you expect the average person to be a conservation expert?

[@Dbright1982]

Well we already have a ton of mountain lion eating the dogs. Idk

[@andyc9902]

@@brownsound545 no but the average person can google

[@DeadSexyAdamCheney]

As a Colorado native and resident i voted no.

[@HappyG1lmor488]

I live in the Colorado mountains (Rifle) and watched this whole thing play out. It was so weird, first time I saw politics spill into my personal day to day. Everyone in the mountain communities overwhelmingly voted against this, but all the bleeding heart leftists in Denver thought it would be cute and voted in favor. That's how you get wolves. Now we have wolves.

[@codyroersma]

We had a similar situation with Detroit and Michigan's upper peninsula

[@trikstari7687]

Train them to eat leftists.

[@crazyj3133]

LUCKY

[@SoulEternalPeaceWarrior77]

This also sounds like more "Great Reset" tactics. They don't want people living in the countryside peacefully, enjoying self-ownership. They want you being dependent on their liberal cities, eating their morally approved junk, watching their approved media & being an "ally". There's a cultural takeover going on right now & it's insane to see it play out.

[@Bob_Smith19]

Shoot, shovel and shut up.

[@the_watcher_abc]

“Step loudly though the land of bears, but step quietly through the land of wolves.” That about sums it up.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

I think both gets you killed and eaten. Blackbear isnt really even afraid of you. Only so it appears until you run across one thats extra hungry

[@jmacomber86]

To stop the reintroduction because they attack domesticated animals is insane, no one living in the high country should be leaving their dogs or pets out. We live up here for a reason, to be close to nature…including wildlife. I welcome the animals, and excited for their return.

[@spiderhands]

Facts

[@camcambambam5128]

My buddy found an abandoned Belgian Malliois and we learned why they abandoned her. She’s the most docile malliois I’ve ever seen. No aggression, derpy asf, isn’t that smart but she is incredibly athletic and constantly escapes her crate, climbs 8ft dog fence etc

[@nycoolj3]

Why would someone abandon a dog because of that? Genuinely curious.. because I would love that out of a dog

[@kyhlekable8088]

Think of it as a job, if you can't do the job correctly, they're going to fire your ass

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

​@@nycoolj3 malinois are trained bite machines...

[@nycoolj3]

@@richfarfugnuven6308 well then maybe people should stop breeding them to be that way and expecting them to be like that instead of abandoning them if they don’t

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@REVMATCH they are 100% meant to be police/military dogs. I honestly think regular citizens should never buy one, unless they can afford schutzhund training, which is about 50k...

[@voytron1]

I live in Kelowna British Columbia and people have been seeing wolfs in around town. You have to know we have many wild animals that could get your dog like eagles, owls, coyotes, cougars, bears. So you need to watch your dogs at all times

[@carlobrigante881]

And or have some dogs that can pull their own weight

[@beneatspizza2380]

Thank you! If you want to live the little house on the prairie life guess what… you’ll see some wildlife If you don’t like wolfs move to the city dorks

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

@@beneatspizza2380 Exactly. People who want to turn the whole world into their safe suburb need to start asking themselves if the whole world is not the problem, but maybe it's they themselves. The wolves got here first, and do a tremendous service to the environment by promoting the growth of trees by various methods.

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

Yup. It's up to you to watch your dog. If you're going to leave it up to a roll of the dice, you've got no one but yourself to blame if your pet gets eaten. In Los Angeles, for instance, coyotes abound. Moreso than in surrounding nature. And pets are their PRIMARY FOOD SOURCE. Wake up, people, and be responsible. The answer is not to blame the coyotes. The answer is to take some damn responsibility on your own, for goodness sake. The race to make the world a hermetically sealed playground for infants and the infantile is taking away our agency and intelligence by more and more. You're not helpless unless you want to be.

[@beneatspizza2380]

@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 preach brotha

[@1MADS1]

In Denmark, which basically has no more than 11% of forest areas, we have wolves again. rumor says that they immigrated by themselves but rumor also says that someone moved them here. In our neighboring countries, they are widespread, e.g. Germany, Poland, Norway, Sweden, you don't hear of people being attacked, but the sheep farmers have problems.

[@hiroshi138]

"None of the people who voted for this are going to have to live with the negative consequences of it" - essentially explains every ballot initiative ever.

[@killingjoke535]

Wouldn't be negative consequences if people hadn't populated those areas in the first place

[@IKB28513]

It’s called the ‘Good ideas club’. See any military in the world, they run them.

[@tman8939]

I agree, Denver, Boulder and surrounding area should have never been populated. The wolves have been here for decades without introduction. @@killingjoke535

[@rainasworld1]

​@@killingjoke535All of us don't live in cities, nor should we be forced to.

[@BlackWhirlwindSett]

I live in Colorado out in the country. I've had multiple encounters with mountain lions. Only guardian breed I'd trust to leave out at night by itself, is a caucasian ovcharka. Two of them would be around 450-500lbs, their super dense fur protects against bites. They were used in siberian prison system to chase escaped cons.

[@Aohhmadone]

They use necklaces with spikes also to protect from wildlives bites.

[@AB-qt4dj]

Mountain lions freak me out because you don’t know they’re there until theyre on top of you. Of course moose freak me out the most. They’re huge and temperamental.

[@AlowisciousMahoney]

Some of those Turkish dogs, like the Kangal, are impressive guardians as well.

[@BlackWhirlwindSett]

@@AB-qt4dj I've been 10 feet from one. Our 70lb pitbull was scared to death to go outside, to go the restroom. We forgot to pick up a dog bowl of water. Another I was sitting at my walkout, felt a strange feeling start walking inside, as soon as I close the door a young mountain walked on my retaining wall, literally 2-3 feet from where I was.

[@BlackWhirlwindSett]

@@AB-qt4dj there was a project happening out here, and the the employees were talking about all the tracks of mountain lions. Some following people. So they decided to kill it. The hunters were following tracks, till they looped back around and noticed mountain lion was following them the whole time. That's a dangerous cat. My buddy was out hunting for elk and accidentally walked between a momma and her cub while he was walking back. He had to shot twice at her to scare away. He was hours away from a hospital.

[@047Kenny]

JRE is at his peak when discussing nature.

[@elsancho-mx7om]

🤣🤣 peak ignorance

[@anarmyoftigers]

Joe Rogan doesn’t even understand the basic evolution model. No Joe, we’re not going to evolve to a point where we can’t reproduce and become machines.

[@divadrestas]

You mean his stand-up isn't his peak?

[@joeysausage3437]

He shows his ignorance.

[@Axxxel_in_Harlem]

​@@joeysausage3437 ok, joey sausage.

[@amirlach]

I was working up past Smallboys Camp repairing a limber while they were trapping the wolves sent to Yellowstone. We came down to camp for lunch and there was a bit of fresh snowfall. We seen the wolf tracks, but never seen them. I have large hands and placed one over a track. It was the size of my palm and half of my fingers. So close to five inches across and about six long. They walked all around were we were working. Was a little un nerving to think they were so close and could stay out of sight. The drivers had a chainup area halfway between camp and the log deck. They were real nervous for a while.

[@lushlife6864]

And yet you all lived.

[@amirlach]

@@lushlife6864 They tend to avoid people and especially the machines. On Baffin Island we had polar bear sightings. They are not scared of much. We would lock down in secure buildings. Except for the 992 loaders and haul trucks. They kept working. The big loaders had to shut down when we brought pickups into the load zone because they could back over your pickup without feeling it.

[@TheLumberJacked]

Wow, looked up smallboy’s camp. That’s an interesting place and story. Beautiful country.

[@malikcunningham6771]

Joe Rogan sees a dog: Joe Rogan: it's basically a Moneky!

[@granslam175]

Great to see a local issue I’ve become very passionate about be featured on the JRE Podcast

[@dawnkeener9836]

We bought 2 wolf's when I was a teenager. Paid $2,000 each for them. They were 3/4 Alaskan Timber Wolf's and 1/4 German Shepherd.They were huge! They had to be chained by big chains because they kept breaking the chains. But we allowed them in the house. They were trained. When they grew up I could only take one at a time for a walk. But yes they understood us. For sure. However they loved to chase cat's and squirrels.... If they wanted one it took all my commands and strength to keep them from tearing one up. We had to eventually give them to a lady who could put them on her land and let them run free she had 30' fences..not Sure why but she did and they were so happy to be able to run. They ended up dieing of old age... Happy and long life. The lady loved Shyanne and Dakota. I sure miss them too.... I used to go outside and just lay down and they loved to play.....

[@wills242]

My dog went to the same farm when I was young

[@TheBasher-_-]

​@@wills242 lol

[@nickcool2455]

@@wills242 bro💀😂

[@mus.k5929]

That’s crazy! Unless there are multiple lady’s with a bunch of land and really tall fences, with two wolves that they got from two teenagers that we’re getting to much to handle, that were 1/4 German shepherd and there names were Shyanne and Dakota. Then I am pretty sure you gave them to my zoology teacher!!

[@christopherstephenson7199]

@@wills242 LOLOLOL!

[@peter-radiantpipes2800]

Lol mentioning men out there with sheep. My dad before he died used to say”back when men were men and sheep were nervous.” A really cheesy old timer joke but will never forget it.

[@markive9907]

I saw a pair of Mexican grey wolves in 1980 just east of Rangley Co ,I knew they were not coyotes to big ,they swam across the white rive heading north ,so they have been around .

[@highaltitudeexperience]

They were also present along the Wyoming/Colorado border before this introduction even took place.

[@paleo52]

Before the wolves were reintroduced to Idaho and Montana. Idaho had a thing going on called the Idaho wolf watch. The state asked you if you saw a wolf to report it to the USFS,the BLM, or Idaho Fish&Game. In June of 1990 I saw two wolves to the west of Salmon Idaho near the Middle Fork of the Salmon River. The next time I was in town I went to the North Fork Ranger District office and reported what I saw. Their reply was that I was wrong and I saw coyotes,I told them that I have seen a lot of coyotes,and what I saw were Wolves,and they were like no-no-no. I ran into that same reply after that. Then I talked to people in the USFS who knew what was going on,and that the powers that be had set up the wolf watch to fail. No matter what numbers that they had,they would doctor the info to show that the wolf reintroduction had to take place,so they could get 14,000,000 dollars to start the program. They did the release in winter,Jan or Feb. The wolves were brought down to Salmon ID from Canada. They had them at the Salmon BLM warehouse. The plan was to fly the wolves out to the Indian Creek Guard Station in the Frank Church along the Middle Fork of the Salmon River. But it was winter time in central Idaho and weather had come in and they could not fly to Indiana Creek. So they drove the wolves to the town of North Fork and headed down the river road to Corn creek witch is the end of the road. Their thinking was it's the wilderness and the wolves would just head off into the back country and all would be well. Some of the wolves headed south and in less then a month people in the Salmon area were having dogs killed and ranchers were having cows killed,and then the whole deal turned to shit. And it is still going on to this day.

[@IdahoRanchGirl]

And now they're paying us to kill them. I live along hwy 12. Nez Perce Reservation. Clearwater/Selway River area. And they are on our ranch. They are paying like 2k per wolf kill.

[@VestigialHead]

Who cares if ignorant people that let their dogs roam the neighborhood are having their pets killed. They deserve it. If your fence cannot keep wolves out then you do not have a fence good enough to keep your dogs in. While I agree that the authorities often do a bad job when they release animals and much more due diligence should be done. But dogs being killed is not a good enough reason to not bring back predators.

[@utubedude2842]

Similar situation here in Kansas with mountain lions. People are posting pictures online from their trail cameras, yet the state says they’re not here.

[@Cdub541]

@@VestigialHead how dumb can you be 😂

[@davidstrom597]

We had a fantastic elk herd on the north fork, after wolf introduction i found elk dead everywhere, and no they were not eaten just killed, they killed every animal they could catch, wolf reintroduction is distructive and assinine, the oldtimers poisoned half the animals out there to get rid of the fukin wolves,

[@gizzodadon4038]

Canadians listening be like "wtf is wrong with having wolves around?"

[@bjkarana]

That is totally inaccurate. Canadiens be like "wtf is wrong with having wolves around, eh?"

[@brownjatt21]

Idk 90% of Canadians live in big cities and have probably never had to deal with them.

[@smooth_pursuit]

We definitely have coyote problems

[@jero1918]

None of my Canadian family feels that way. Of course they actually have to live with them. ;)

[@mishaarthur7689]

Cars are more dangerous than wolves 100%

[@bc5208]

Lived 12 years in Alaska. 308 rifle works just fine against wolves.

[@eyekon4295]

Dogs are unbelievably intelligent, I watched my small schnauzer poodle X walk down the fenceline jump onto the compost bin and over the fence to get onto the park, some people like to think these dogs are small inside dogs but both breeds were bred for hunting and retrieving. Each breed has a purpose and their home determines whether they meet their potential, they also understand a lot of terms even without deliberate training.

[@jdallz3676]

My dog totally just jumped up and headed for the door hearing Joe say “You wanna go OUTSIDE?” 😂

[@Anita_Backrub]

😂😂 that’s so cute

[@RobertoTheGreat]

Lies

[@Laocoon283]

Bo

[@joemonteirosportsshorts3343]

A Wolf, Bear, and Bullshark all walk into a bar on DMT…

[@JMW_JMW_JMW]

... and got yelled at by Alex Jones

[@70KDS]

And a chimpanzee to serve as the bartender

[@kathleenlovett1958]

😅😂😂🤣

[@karnage2948]

….Joe freaked out

[@adnan4688]

​@@JMW_JMW_JMW In the dark,you wouldn't be able to tell who is Alex and who the bear and wolf are.

[@DankLion]

I've only had Great Pyrenees in my adult life, the absolute best dogs, great to hear them mentioned!

[@rlh5870]

They are very good dogs! But I love my Black Labs

[@shortyfry85]

10:50 my dog started tilting her head LMAO

[@Djk-cc2sr]

Rogan needs to get the dude from River Monsters on here

[@YourWaterBoii]

We have wolves here in Minnesota. They're heavily monitored. But they're amazing to watch!

[@KBeth35]

I just want to commend you for spelling wolves correctly. I have seen countless comments of people giving their opinions on wolfs and all I cant take their opinions seriously since they can't even spell it. And I'm not a grammar Nazi I usually don't care. It's just interesting that people can't spell wolves but have an opinion on if we should reintroduce them to the population.

[@YourWaterBoii]

​@@KBeth35 That's interesting. The correct spelling is right in the title of the video.

[@onlygamesiplayaremindgames]

Joe talking about asking his dog if he wants to go outside hahaha

[@thewizardspipe4265]

Is this taken down on Spotify? It's not showing this pod or the on after?

[@omglawton]

Just moved here to Wisconsin. Saw a wolf early morning driving to work. It was big AF.

[@pkz420]

In BC, we don't really have problems with the wolves. But that's because we take precautions. We've been living with them a long time, and have built safeguards against them into our daily life. I'm not sure the people that voted for them are prepared though. They are going to learn some hard lessons. Nature is not kind or fuzzy. It is brutal and unforgiving.

[@brownjatt21]

What I'm getting from this is, The people that voted for them are most likely folks from the city like Denver etc who would never have to deal then on a day to day basis. all the folk in the country side who voted no gonna have to deal with it.

[@justinthejerkoff]

None of the people who voted for it live anywhere where the wolves will be. All of the people who have to deal with it voted no. But Denver metro outnumbers the rest of the state.

[@user-vj9qz3br6l]

I don’t think they will be introduced in large populations all at once

[@andyc9902]

British Columbia?

[@cleigh113]

​@@andyc9902 haha! Yeah b.c. in Canada is short for British Columbia!

[@CJ-8867]

When's this podcast from? The last one on Spotify is the Duncan trussle one

[@tadblackington1676]

Wolves have reestablished themselves in the Netherlands and Colorado is too small/densely populated?

[@Alex-dk1um]

I love it. Base the laws around wether our pets get eaten as a result of them or not. Love it.

[@ge2623]

I like the morons who weigh the economics of it.

[@elcoyote9410]

Yup, pathetic

[@spiderhands]

Its so stupid, just take care of your pet, they dont even belong in the woods

[@patdenney7046]

Hey we really do need to transplant a large portion of grizzlies to California ! They’re so cute and we want to go back to natural!

[@bradberglund1154]

Dude I had a 8O lb border collie when I was growing up. That dog was mad protective. I’ll never forget I was 13-14 home alone with my younger brother. Some random dude knocked on the door and my dog almost ripped the door off it’s hinges. That dude peaced out real quick.

[@shunsuikyoraku5428]

Home alone...with my younger brother... hehe

[@Professionalwoodsbum]

80 lb border collie? I don't believe you

[@Driver_Safe.]

Weird ,I can't see this episode on spotify. I updated the app, and still nothing.

[@mandarb23]

I have a Malinois. that look Joe talks about is so true. they look at you like a wolf. it takes a long time to get past the fear from their look. but once you do its the best love gaze you'll ever get to see. yes I have kids.

[@fangarbangar]

Wolves are already here in Colorado. I ran into a pack crossing the road in North Park last year. Ranchers are already having problems with them and their cattle.

[@joerodriguez3002]

That's Great! Humans want to live in the mtns wit no danger,,haha ,,it's the wolves land,,not cattle

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Yeah theyre already around. Sometimes the ones up there come down into our area but its a desert, they run out of food and hang around peoples backyards I assume becsuse of small dogs taking their last poops before bed. Its been years since weve seen one around our house but theyre out there.

[@user-bd5nh5eb4b]

Joe always chooses the most fascinating subjects ❤!

[@holidaystyles7952]

im really considering getting one them Belgian dogs now hard work from what i read keep u in shape just keeping them happy n content

[@Stella77_7]

I'm a Farmer in Wisconsin. About 15 years ago, they reintroduced Wolves to WI. And may I add they didn't being back the Native wolf they brought in Canadian wolves. About 75 pounds bigger. Our deer population has been so badly devastated. I raise Great Pyrenees Livestock Dogs. Breed to protect my cows, pigs, and chickens. Their size and deep barn alarm me and put wolves on notice. But my neighbors just last year lost 7 adult pregnant cows in one night. The state of WI wants to hunt them and we have but as of last year the Feds stepped in to stop our wolf hunt. Feds need to keep the Fuk OUT if state conservation. We need to controls these effen wolves. Talk about dogs. A community member just north of me was walking two German Shepherds on leaches, and 2 wolves came out of the ditch and destroyed the dogs right in front of her. The argument is wolves help the environment, Bullshit! We have enough hunters in WI to keep our Deer population in check, we don't need wolves. Wolves are over eating everything here. We farmers decided long ago to take care if this problem. Eff the Gov.

[@stillholding4975]

Damn. How frustrating

[@TheGuyFromWI]

Facts

[@HankPBFord]

Yupp

[@Stella77_7]

@counselthyself2591 if only you could figure out auto correct and I don't give two shits

[@peteconz]

@counselthyself cuz good spelling would teach those wolves to play nice!

[@TaylorKromOFFICIAL]

The voting should have been strictly limited to the residents who live in the area that the wolves will be in.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

My thoughts exactly. These city liberals are allowed to make the laws for people in rural areas and never have to suffer the consequences.

[@mishaarthur7689]

​@@wvjeepguy8178 what you're describing is rural people wanting to live in rural areas and not deal with the consequences. Don't like tornadoes? Don't live in Kansas. Don't like wolves? Go live in a city

[@Alex-me3yn]

@@mishaarthur7689 sounds like they already solved the problem and its simply being undone, not really the same situation u are alluding to

[@chrismcaulay7805]

@@mishaarthur7689 That was... ignorant of you to say. People in the Cities (for which I live mind you), should not be delegating their bullshit on the people in rural communities. If they want wolves, they can have them in the cities... If you dont want them in cities, then why would you stick rural communities with them? Something about do unto others as you would want done to yourself...

[@paulb8118]

​@@mishaarthur7689 that's a dumbass take. They literally lived in a wilderness setting without wolves for a century. If people in a city want wolves fine then release wolves in the city.

[@Atomic-Dawg]

This episode is missing on spotify.

[@lewism9815]

I’m only two minutes in and it feels like I have been listening for a year

[@sparkyfromel]

Walked the Estonia RMK Oandu to Ikla , 250miles track through the last old forest in Europe I saw moose , at a station a ranger told me bears were no problem , very shy but one could walk ten feet from wolves and not see them they kept to themselves , people were not on their " food" list they are on "avoid " list the worst animal was the mosquitoes ,clouds of them , they even carry a really dangerous encephalitis virus

[@nickcontabile]

If wolves were there first then they deserve to be back.

[@lilmuff69]

This ep isn't posted on spotify wtf

[@jyang69scashappme33]

I miss my Belgian Malinois. These dogs are slept on! I remember I taught my girl directions as north, south, east and west. She got it spot on the first day. Incredible !!

[@blickygobrrrrr]

How come the most recent episodes of JRE aren't showing up on Spotify?

[@MrRyanmcmahon]

Cliff has one of the best hunting channels out there. Love his content

[@OldDirtBikes]

Why this episode #1955 not on spotify 😞

[@KanesWay]

I wonder if I will have issues wilderness camping in Rocky mountain national Park... This will complicate weeks in the mountains. I can't release a round in the park so I'll have to figure out a defense or a great offense.

[@lauriwelch4948]

I have a funny story of my great aunt Cher from Burns Oregon back in the 80's, She had a ranch and the people went to a meeting about the concern of wolves and livestock. The people that wanted to protect the wolves said '"maybe we can castrate the male wolves to control population." She spoke up and said " They aren't coming to rape my calves, their coming to kill them." She was a character.

[@user-dc1dr9kr8x]

I bet she was fun to have a few with....thank you

[@psSubstratum]

why isnt this episode up yet on Spotify

[@DramaLlamaFishing]

The wolves we have here in Wisconsin are way bigger that we ever thought they could be, I understand people's fear of them

[@lukebonagurio4503]

False

[@DramaLlamaFishing]

@@lukebonagurio4503 good for you but you don't speak for everyone

[@Suckondeese]

False

[@DramaLlamaFishing]

@@Suckondeese I have seen them personally, along with many others, so your claim of false is worthless

[@Suckondeese]

@@DramaLlamaFishing Buy a gun if you’re so afraid lmfao

[@BenjaminNielsenFB]

Did you guys hear about Denmark? Very small country where they let wolves imigrate from Germany. The wolves pop up on random fields and when the farmers shoot them they end in big shitstorm and police trouble

[@Djk-cc2sr]

How epic would a Joe Rogan documentary be

[@sadimasochist4543]

It would literally him high out of his mind and commenting in ways like " Woah! " And " Wow! " And " Yo Jamie Check this out! "

[@elizaleroux9173]

That would be awesome.

[@Djk-cc2sr]

@Jack Tripper Before JRE bud, he’s more then an interviewer.

[@fakeshemp9599]

Someone on youtube made a doc on him awhile back and it was pretty good. I think it was sunny v2.

[@softwaresignals]

Kinda been done. OK, imagine Rogan's voice here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3upaWelr55moNk

[@alaskansummertime]

Wolves fix everything. Too many deer release wolves. Need to improve worker productivity release wolves. Wife giving you trouble? A wolf is your solution.

[@graylobo133]

Hey Spotify this podcast aren't showing.....

[@MrJmd116]

Spotify is not updating the podcast playlist I have to type the episode number in

[@foolishEmporer]

Joe, that incident in Idaho was a wolf attack on a group of Elk that lost their fear of predators and humans because they came to a feeder set up by someone. When the wolves found them they had no clue how to react

[@arronjohnston742]

and because wolves were gone the gene pool of prey animals suffered, same kind of thing happen to people, people are weaker today because of interference, everyone's scared of peanuts 🤣 years ago that was unheard of, woman with narrow hips died in child birth thus limiting faulty genes now we have C sections an faulty genes are passed on, once down syndrome/ disabled died now we keep them all alive to pass on the bad genes and more health issues an deformities than ever, when weak genes are limited or eliminated the species is better for it...... wolves belong there, people not so much

[@pipolchamp8205]

@@arronjohnston742 damn imagine an alternate reality where people intentionally stops giving healthcare to see the best gene pool and population that evolution can offer. i'd probably dead years ago but it would be interesting to see what pure evolution and stronger genes can do in a millenia or two, that would be a good premise for a movie where the mc is desperate for medicine or some shit like that

[@poppinc8145]

@@pipolchamp8205 It has to be a balance. Because physical qualities is just one side of the coin, mental abilities is another. If you have a society where it's just based on physical, you're going to have problems too because the guy who could have been a thinker or inventor simply never grew up to be one.

[@superm530]

@@pipolchamp8205 Its called EUGENESIA ,,,

[@KarklinPumpkin]

​@@arronjohnston742 Right, but you are here.

[@NoMoreMrNiceGuy223]

Wolves are fascinating

[@davidbiga7285]

Beautiful animal...

[@rhettsholtz2827]

And should be kept away from us

[@davidbiga7285]

@@rhettsholtz2827 no it's wrong!!!! Why??

[@davidbiga7285]

Because we are enemy... I never ever see a wolf with gun or rifle

[@MK-Ultra-1984]

The lack of awareness RE: predator prey relationship impacts on the ecology of a area is stunning considering the benefits of wolves in yellowstone, well studied and proven economic and environmental benefits.

[@DavidSilva-pn6kx]

Love how homie was about to talk about dogs not figuring it out and then, oh yeah yeah. 😂

[@Strychnine1276]

Wolves are hands down one of the most ferocious and proficient predators on Earth. So beautiful and impressive, but terrifying all the same.

[@earlmyname4257]

What u talking about! Be scared of man not animals

[@Largetalons]

They can get in line behind orcas, hippos, grizzlies, and all of the big cats.

[@debrataylor4509]

Terrifying if you are between them and a meal, only!! They leave people alone otherwise!!

[@TinyTalesBookClub]

@@Largetalons i was going to say...

[@betsie696]

Crazy thing is wolf have been in Colorado moving across state lines from Wyoming. They’ve even been having pups in Colorado. They don’t see politics or state lines.

[@danwhitehurst6293]

My roommate has seen them

[@Scrambledbrains3601]

My roommates never seem em either

[@paulw2872]

The Forest Galante goes and he's for introducing animals. 😂😂😂😂

[@jediOutlaw420]

I grew up with wolf dogs in B.C. One was a Belgium shepard X Wolf and the smartest animal I've ever seen. The other was a Great pyrenees X Wolf. He showed more anger but I think he was conflicted.

[@tannerlyday6290]

My brother and I came across a wolf deep in the Colorado Rockies. We called it in when we returned to service and the CPW was not surprised what so ever. They are here already

[@utubedude2842]

Similar to mountain lions here in Kansas. People are constantly posting photos from trail cameras and the state keeps denying they are here.

[@amadaris78]

This was the last election I participated in while I lived in CO. I rejected the ballot initiative for exactly these reasons. However I knew many people who saw Tim Ferris' name associated with it and knew almost nothing else and decided to vote in favor of it. So sad.

[@creambeems250]

Anyone not getting newer episodes on their Spotify?

[@fuenstock]

I’ve heard wolves calling at a distance while hunting solo. Definitely makes you feel uneasy being solo and knowing there are wolves in the area!

[@brandonholliday7927]

Cliff Gray is an amazing outdoorsman! With a wealth of knowledge!

[@elsancho-mx7om]

Who is completely full of crap here, he just doesn't want to lose tags

[@stalker7892]

@@elsancho-mx7om He's was an outfitter for years he just sold his business a couple of years ago. He would likely want to keep the tag quota, but he's not full of crap. He knows his stuff.

[@elsancho-mx7om]

@@stalker7892 no he is full of crap, returning the natural predators does wonders for the environment. Wolves take out the weak helping to strengthen the prey's genetics, hunters do the exact opposite. From 2002-2020 wolves killed 26 people, 14 of those were due to rabies......

[@ZennExile]

no he's not. He's fake as a the "food" from Subway. He knows absolutely nothing you can't skim from any given release of Outdoor Magazine and proves it repeatedly throughout this video.

[@wolfpack9958]

Please let us back into Colorado.

[@KylePS88]

Episode isn’t on Spotify?

[@MyAsh05]

Wednesday & Thursday's podcast is not showing up on Spotify even though it tells me there's new episodes!!!!!

[@matthewg17]

The overlords didn't like them

[@FlyingVFan]

Cliff Gray is awesome! Best woodsmanship channel on youtube!

[@genepatino9856]

Cliff isn't too smart if he thinks Great Pyrenees are from Peru. Lol. What a mo-ron.

[@zbell7003]

@@genepatino9856 he’s talking about the sheep herders not the dogs lmao 😂

[@genepatino9856]

@Z Bell you think he's smart? His ending comment is that he doesn't think the GPs are that valuable b/c when they are outnumbered by a bunch of wolves and alone they can be killed. No Sh_t Sh_rlock. That goes for any dog, a bear or big cat. You get enough wolves together in a pack and they can eradicate anything. This guy is his own parody

[@markstahlhut6079]

A dirty little secret, wolves were not extinct inside Yellowstone, the Park Service was killing them for over 100 years. The subspecies they "reintroduced" were not native to that area. They were subarctic wolves, the largest, and most aggressive in the world.

[@Reed411]

this sounds like BS

[@Elkfever]

@@Reed411 its not, they pulled the same shit in the Selway, sent in a federal trapper/hunter to document breeding pairs, that if they were their, they wouldnt introduce the non native sub species of wolves, he did, they still dropped the dang things off.

[@Upinthegarden]

The timber wolf is indeed the largest

[@usern4metak3ns]

​@@Elkfeverweaponized wolves in hunting areas. I believe happens alot more than is mentioned

[@markstahlhut6079]

@@Reed411 It's not. You will never find anything official because the Feds deny it. I have a good friend that moved to Cody Wy just before they "reintroduced" the wolves. At public hearing 2 ranchers whose property backed up to Yellowstone and offered to take biologists into the park and show them where the wolves were. Of course the Feds called them nuts. Within a month one of the ranchers shot a wolf on his property and took it to their office to prove them wrong. All hell broke loose and they were going to arrest him, however, he was a very highly respected man and personally knew the Gov, a congressman and one of Wy Senators. The Feds backed off. Because the wolves got trapped and or shot when they formed packs, the simply stopped doing that. Why were they killing the wolves? To try ensure there were lots of deer and elk to see in the park.

[@CliffGray]

that guy has got a giant head.🤣 talk about surreal seeing yourself like this!

[@sumasaum]

Our dog legit watches our security cameras when it's time for Mommy to come home. I have a clip of it on my channel.

[@noedgetoadream]

Wolves are NEVER the problem. Humans are.

[@Reed411]

enter the angry rancher in 3.. 2..

[@tedszweb5268]

We had a Malamute & we lived in a neighborhood of 6’ block fences. “Useless” was his name & he hated skunks so every summer when the skunks were more active in Huntington Beach they would run along the top of the walls like cats. Useless would jump up & grab them & a couple of shakes later it was skunk guts in our pool & around the whole backyard. The SPCA knew our address because of their frequent visits to clean it up. Sometimes we’d catch Useless running along the top of the wall also . It was hysterical watching this wolf dog running along this 3” top of the fence !😂😂😂

[@JustDaniel6764]

I met a dog called 'Useless' the other day on a walk. 😂

[@KFrost-fx7dt]

People hate wolves and other wildlife yet will spend a fortune keeping repulsive animals like yours as pets.

[@thinkinyblinko6666]

I have a malamute and it's kill on sight for him when it comes to birds and insects. He even goes after wasps, he's insane.

[@russsavage1611]

My Husky always tells me "you play wolf games.... you win wolf prizes"

[@Jack-yk9by]

Somebody needs to tell these guys that Little Red Riding Hood was a nursery rhyme.. wolves are a natural part of the ecosystem and they should be there.

[@sirrloin]

Look up the competitive evolution between dogs and cats. There used to be a group called the "bone crushing dogs". Massive canines that eventually got outclassed by Gigantic predatory cats. So they disappeared and canines evolved into pack animals that are individually weaker but as a pack can even out compete bears for kills often.

[@grizelda4526]

From what I understand, it had excellent results in Yellowstone and the Adirondacks. Positive, wide ranging effects on the ecosystem.

[@bandwagon240]

Spot on.

[@scottwall8419]

Exactly, I'm no tree hugger whatsoever but he conveniently avoids the downright amazing effects it had on yellowstone on purpose. This guy has an agenda and if he was just honest we might agree but he's being held back.

[@libertariansasquatch]

Yeah all the studies have shown they actually make the ecosystem way more healthy

[@paulb8118]

Wrong there are no wolves in the ADK

[@evj1326]

Hunting isn't allowed in yellowstone. That would have helped. Colorado manages the varying herd populations by hunting so that controlled numbers are harvested

[@Kuhoochandra]

Can't find this episode on Spotify

[@jasonlightfoot4145]

I grew up in Vail 70's to now and I can tell you this place has been forever changed and not for the better.