The BADGER SOTAR 20/20 | A NEW review of one of my favorite detail airbrushes

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@squidskunk
@squidskunk 2 ай бұрын
My first brush was a Badger 150 back in 1990....fell in love with badger from that point on...i own many manufacturer brushes but always seem to have a badger in my hand more often than not.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
That is great! I was a bit later to the party than you but my experience was similar. It's just a brand I will always enjoy painting with.
@dirigoallagash3464
@dirigoallagash3464 2 ай бұрын
I still have my 150 from around the same time period, '88 or '89. I use my 105 Pat the most but only because cleanup is easier than the 150. Love that 150. I paint miniatures and haven't found I need the detail of the 20/20 but I need to revisit it.
@airbrushdungeon
@airbrushdungeon 2 ай бұрын
@@dirigoallagash3464 I had a couple of those. I gave the more recent one to my granddaughter. She's 12 and quite the budding little artist.
@dredfxcustompaint
@dredfxcustompaint 2 ай бұрын
It is a cracking brush nice review mark 👍
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Rob!
@duanemarshall9486
@duanemarshall9486 2 ай бұрын
Huge fan of the sotar 20/20. It is just so responsive, light and comfortable . Love the slim when doing super fine freehand details, it really is like using a pencil. Great stuff Mark.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree more Duane! I know your a big sotar 20/20 fan like me. There is just something special about it. It's an airbrush that I will always have around.
@louisliguore7199
@louisliguore7199 2 ай бұрын
Great review, thanks for taking the time to help us learn about our airbrush options.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much Louis! Hope you have a great weekend my friend.
@allanimalstaxi
@allanimalstaxi 2 ай бұрын
Great video! And I did buy one to add to my collect, so I'm at just over a half dozen now. Thanks again for all you do.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. A great one to have in the collection!
@alexrc7333
@alexrc7333 2 ай бұрын
My favourite among detail airbrushes, with the high roller trigger, I can spray like there is no tomorrow. Great review!
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Awesome to hear that you enjoy the high roller trigger! I think it's a very cool option available.
@alexrc7333
@alexrc7333 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop Indeed! Ever since it was featured in the Xtreme Patriot, I've liked it. Works great with the Renegde Krome too, but that one is a heavy airbrush indeed. Have a great weekend!
@gordon8753
@gordon8753 2 ай бұрын
@@alexrc7333 I should try that high roller. Obviously it'll fit the 20/20?
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
@@alexrc7333 I'll have to pop the high roller in my sotar and paint with it this weekend. I've only used it on my xtreme patriot. Thanks for the idea! Have a great weekend as well.
@pariahzero
@pariahzero 2 ай бұрын
​@@theartworkshop I'm excited to hear if you like it as much as I do. I like the "more open" grip the high roller gives, along with the slightly greater mechanical advantage against the mechanism. ... I probably don't have my trigger muscles nearly as developed as you do.
@StevenLeahyArt
@StevenLeahyArt 2 ай бұрын
Great review. I need to pull mine out again. I was using the 105 extreme in its place nut this makes me want to run it up again!
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Steve! That xtreme model is pretty awesome with the tall trigger. I need to get painting with mine too.
@davidc1878
@davidc1878 2 ай бұрын
I have two Sotar 20/20s (Fine nozzle/needle) and also the 20/20 Medium and Heavy. I love the Sotar 20/20 Fine, but rarely use the Heavy or Medium. I use my Iwata HP-C (with a 0.5 needle) instead of the Sotar Medium or Heavy. Anyway, the Sotar with the Fine needle is a great airbrush. Thanks for all the videos... great channel. I use my airbrushes primarily for scale models and the Sotar Fine is perfect for scale modelling.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
awesome stuff! I agree. I think that the sotar with the .2 is perfect. I'm sure it is a great choice for scale modeling.
@javiergarcell3075
@javiergarcell3075 Ай бұрын
Great review! I love how it sprays, but unlike Iwata and Creos, I feel that you have to baby it. It is all hand tightened, and every time, I felt like I had to adjust it before it would finally work properly. Definitely think for portrait work it's well designed. For models and miniatures, I prefer Iwata and Creos. Maybe one day I will revisit this one.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop Ай бұрын
thanks! I feel the same. Some parts of the sotar can be delicate, especially the head system. I agree- creos and Iwata airbrushes are fantastic.
@jamesn2830
@jamesn2830 2 ай бұрын
Been thinking about getting this. Went from a masters G23 to Iwata neo. Been considering this for detail work
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
It's a great choice as a first detail airbrush. That neo is no slouch though. I can paint some excellent detail with it as well. I'm a big fan of it.
@jamesn2830
@jamesn2830 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop thanks for the tip. I’m working on getting some reps with it. This channel is really helpful for people trying to figure this airbrushing thing out
@scaleartsg
@scaleartsg 2 ай бұрын
i was considering this and the ps 771. i got the 771 instead because im not sure if the hose / quick connect fits my current set up.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
The 771 was a fantastic choice! I love everything about that airbrush.
@robyzanardi3865
@robyzanardi3865 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for reminding me to buy this jewel, I've been thinking about it for years, the price is really inviting... recently ordered on spray gunner.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Awesome! Hope you enjoy painting with it as much as I do.
@AvoidGN
@AvoidGN 2 ай бұрын
I'm quite new to airbrushing and I mainly build model kits I'm looking to upgrade from my cheap Amazon brush, and have 2 different ones that I've picked out that I want to get, it's either between the H&S Evo 2024 or the Mr. Hobby PS771 id like to use the airbrush for everything in the hobby that entails one, id like to be able to use it for my priming base coats and every fine camouflage lines. I'm wondering if it would be okay to use a .18 need to do all those different things. I also need to be able to spray very thinned paint at a very low PSI to create translucent dust and dirt build-up, and I don't know much about airbrushes so I'm a little worried that maybe a .18 needle might be too small to paint decently large areas Id really appreciate your honest feedback I do plan on picking up another brush down the line for general application but right now I really need something for the smallest detail but can also do everything else, Thank you so much.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
I love both of those airbrushes equally. They are both awesome and you can't go wrong with either. For your application the Evo2024 is a better choice. The .18 of the 771 is way too small for primers or thicker paint. The evo can go up to much larger nozzles sizes which will allow you to spray those heavier paints. And the small setup on the evo24 sprays incredible detail. Hope this helps!
@DirtyBob2001
@DirtyBob2001 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the reminder to break out the airbrush.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Break that airbrush out!
@musoseven8218
@musoseven8218 2 ай бұрын
Another cracking review, superb artwork too👍💜✌️ My first airbrush was a Badger. I'm mainly a H&S user these days (I don't paint as much as I'd like to), but I've always got a weather eye on the Sotar 20/20, either a .2 or .3. Always a bit disappointed by the interior of the cup finish and wary of such a fine nozzle assembly, however as you say, under normal usage, no need to touch the front end. Not sure of their availability in GB, but if they come on offer, I'm tempted🤔🤔
@hannya66
@hannya66 2 ай бұрын
I purchased both my Badgers from these people ( Sotar is currently on sale at £100 ) . barwellbodyworks-shop.com/badger-airbrushes
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Muso! Yes, H&S are amazing airbrushes. They will always be one of my favorite brands. The finish on build on all of my harder and steenbecks is just the best of the best.
@musoseven8218
@musoseven8218 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop As, always, you're most welcome. I think that our expectations have been raised by the finish of H&S products, also their standardisation and continuous improvement strategies. They're easy to use/clean too. But Paasche, Badger et al have their place ✌️💜😊👍
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
@@musoseven8218 exactly! very well said. H&S spoiled me with their finish and build. I realized that I can't use them as a comparison point, because they are in their own league. They are beautiful airbrushes. I cannot wait for the new infinity 2024! I will be purchasing it day one whenever it comes out.
@musoseven8218
@musoseven8218 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop Thanks. The new Infinity will be interesting, seems delayed? Probably worth the wait though👍🤞😊💜👍✌️
@airbrushdungeon
@airbrushdungeon 2 ай бұрын
Nice. I really want one, but I promised the wife. No more brushes till after our upcoming 11 day cruise. 52 days to go.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Keep the wife happy- that's number 1! Cruises are a lot of fun. Hope you both have a great time.
@airbrushdungeon
@airbrushdungeon 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop Thanks.
@airbrushdungeon
@airbrushdungeon Ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop I missed the $70 window, but now they have the 60th anniversary edition in gold and gun metal grey, for $85.
@artsmodelstation9396
@artsmodelstation9396 4 күн бұрын
Well I liked it BUT, got one last week off Amazon and air leak from nozzle area. Then got a replacement from Amazon, yup, same issue. Retuned it and got my money back. If I could only get one that has no issues I would be happy with it 😔
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop Күн бұрын
Yes, that's something I've gotten used to with badger airbrushes. It's annoying but it's easy to fix- small amount of beeswax on the threads and your good to go.
@gordon8753
@gordon8753 2 ай бұрын
I bought one a couple years ago from spraygunner and I'm buying the 20/20 3 in 1. It'll come with all 3 needle sizes.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
I need to try the heavy setup on the sotar. Do you use all 3 or mainly stick with the .2 for detail work?
@gordon8753
@gordon8753 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop I like the .7 for priming my models. But I actually use the .5 medium the most. But the fine definitely comes in handy but it has to be really thinned down. Obviously never use pearl or metallic paints with the fine! Lol I learned my lesson!
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
@@gordon8753 oh yeah those metallics are tricky to spray with any size! A .2 is nearly impossible. Great to hear that you use all 3 with the sotar.
@bluefj-wc3vz
@bluefj-wc3vz 2 ай бұрын
I too have too many Badgers Lol. Love the Krome. But ordered a 20/20 a week ago during that same sale.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
the krome is such a great model. I only bought it recently and just love working with it. Those badger sales are the best to pick up a new airbrush for the collection!
@Matgyro_Build
@Matgyro_Build 25 күн бұрын
Hi, I’m looking to buy some Sotar but I’m ues airbrush for plastic model. Is this okay for lacquer based color and thinner. Seen the body is black finished, is it painted or blackening? I’m the fan of Badger since I was kid. First Airbrush is Badger 350 from Tamiya Spray kit and now my main brush is Renegade Spirits. I also have Iwata eclipse Takumi, and Infinity Cr+ but I think my renegade is work better for my hand. Just purchased one Renegade Krome and looking some more from Badger.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 20 күн бұрын
Yes, Badger uses solvent resistant seals in the sotar 20/20. I only use water-based paints so it's best to reach out to their customer service to confirm this. All the best to you!
@grunthunter66
@grunthunter66 2 ай бұрын
Love your videos! Wondering why I can’t find your name anywhere though. Is there a reason you dont have any links to a website or somewhere else to view your work?
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. My name is Mark. I'm not a big fan of social media and find it pretty depressing. It's something that I try to avoid. This whole youtube thing was started as a whim and it's gotten much larger than I ever expected. I'm still trying to figure it out! I had a personal website for about 15 years and still own the domain. Maybe I'll get it back someday and show some of my art along with the youtube tutorials.
@lesgl
@lesgl 2 ай бұрын
I bought the 2020 anniversary gold one with the changes not long ago and the only thing i wasn't keen on was the trigger being so close to the cup so i put a High Roller trigger and all is good..very happy with it
@pariahzero
@pariahzero 2 ай бұрын
I put the _High Roller_ trigger on just because I like the feel of the trigger. The longer lever gives me more mechanical advantage against the mechanism - a softer "feel" and also find I'm able to control the trigger with more precision.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
You have no idea how much I want one of those gold sotars! Back in 2020 I was going to purchase it and put it off it until it was too late. Congrats on owning one!
@PsiBurr
@PsiBurr Ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop I've been thinking about pulling the trigger on one of the gold/gunmetal (or both!) as I see them available on the Badger website - have you followed through on the gold one?
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop Ай бұрын
@@PsiBurr I bought the gold one immediately! Finally was able to pick one up. When I first tried it said the gold one was sold out and I panicked a bit 🤣🤣, but a few hours later it was back in stock. I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on it and painting away with it. The price was too good to turn down! Hope you're well psiburr!
@PsiBurr
@PsiBurr Ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop Well enough good sir! I'm eagerly awaiting your review of the Infinity 2024 once H&S start shipping them!
@bacawaka2813
@bacawaka2813 2 ай бұрын
I have a sotar 2020 that I bought in 2016 but it is broken now. it is broken at the connection of the air valve to the body. I don't mind getting a new airbrush. Question, Gaalari mobius is roughly the same price, would you recommend the mobius or the newer Sotar 2020?
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Do you still have your sotar? Because that sounds to me like it should be something covered under warranty. In my experience, Badger is very good with this stuff. I wouldn't buy anything but instead reach out to them and see if they can repair or replace your sotar. Let me know how it goes!
@hannya66
@hannya66 2 ай бұрын
Gaalari Mobius is actually cheaper and very good for the price, BUT the Sotar is superior and worth paying that bit extra, I own both but would always choose Sotar if I could only have one.
@andregrafia1914
@andregrafia1914 2 ай бұрын
good airbrush 02
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
yes sir!!
@jamesn2830
@jamesn2830 2 ай бұрын
When I received mine the paint hold down ring did not look flush with the body of the airbrush. I was unable to further tighten it either. I placed some soapy water behind it and there was a very notable leak. Ever have this issue?
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
The hold down ring on my sotars look pretty flush to me. Yes, all of my sotars have a small air leak with soapy water. I mentioned it a few times on the channel because it's the one thing that I hate seeing. My micron takumi also had a small leak right from the factory using the soapy water test as well. You just need to add some beeswax to those threads and tighten it down (lightly- hand tighten only). That should fix it right up! If yours isn't flush and you just got it maybe it is a manufacturing issue which might be worth returning and replacing.
@jamesn2830
@jamesn2830 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop thanks for the reply I really appreciate it. Yes I made that decision as well after watching your video carefully and noticing that your airbrush did look flush compared to mine right out of the box and I wasn’t able to tighten it myself. Thanks for the awesome content!
@deanbrown7643
@deanbrown7643 2 ай бұрын
Rob has one aka dred fx and says for detail and trigger response is on point I'm not sure about that rear nipple wouldn't it annoy with long periods of time in the hand ??
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
I love Rob's airbrush reviews. He always has a great take on them. I never had a problem with the needle sticking out the back- it's actually one of my favorite things about the sotar! Thanks Dean. Hope you are doing well!
@AceTrainerBisky
@AceTrainerBisky Ай бұрын
I'd like to purchase the anniversary version through their website but im quite hesitant because it puts me on the paypal page first before inputting my mailing address... I'm outside US so I'm quite worried. Is the process after the payment smooth?
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop Ай бұрын
I recently purchased the gold anniversary version too. It was smooth for me, but I'm in the US. I would reach out to their customer service to see what they say about it. They are usually super helpful!
@AceTrainerBisky
@AceTrainerBisky Ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop thank you for that info, there was a sale on amazon on the regular sotar so i just bought that instead and the high roller trigger! Hope i can do fine shading on my miniatures!
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop Ай бұрын
@@AceTrainerBisky I bet you are gonna love it for miniature paintings. The close trigger is great for getting in for precision work. Wishing you all the best!
@AceTrainerBisky
@AceTrainerBisky 28 күн бұрын
​@@theartworkshop i got the sotar im liking the the details it posses i just want to ask how can i smoothen the return after pressing for air and pulling the trigger.. feels rough on the return.. should i clean out the airvalve or the packing screw? Thank you!.. i think ive got an old stock
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 28 күн бұрын
@@AceTrainerBisky You can loosen up that small brass screw that I showed in the video. That should soften the trigger feel. One thing I noticed is that the sotar needs some to break in, so to speak. After a few paintings the triggers become very soft and smooth. Hope this helps!
@cyrilpreece2658
@cyrilpreece2658 2 ай бұрын
Mark, I have a 20/20 slim. I stripped it down some time ago and now for the life of me can't remember how to put it back together in particular the trigger. UPDATE dont bother Mark had nothing but trouble with this brush and spent load on spares. Not worth the bother now in the skip.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
It's one of the more tricky ones to put together, but you'll get it. Reassembling this one was SO FRUSTRATING to me when I bought my first one in 06 or 07. Don't fret, you'll get it. What I like to do is place the trigger in first and then drop in the trigger lever right behind it. The concave part of it should be facing the trigger, with the convex curve toward the back. A pair of tweezers helps a lot because it's the most difficult part to get back in. Then take that spring assembly and screw it in to the body of the airbrush. You can see how I reassembled the spring assembly in the video at the 6:16 mark. You'll get it together and working. I went through the same thing back when I bought it too.
@Cyril-eu4gf
@Cyril-eu4gf 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop No worries it’s the last of my brushes as the rest have been sold. I was going to sell the Badger once put back but it’s been disposed of stupid design with no cup.
@magcolor
@magcolor 2 ай бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Mag!
@airbrushken5339
@airbrushken5339 2 ай бұрын
It was sad that the law suite Badger and Thayer-Chandler went through years ago. Badger was a parts manufacturer who made parts for Thayer-Chandler ... copy-write issues came up in the 70's ... Thayer-Chandler lost and closed up... they brought out the "Hot Hose", a hose with a mini quick release. Badger continued to sell them for a few year.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Interesting. I'm unaware of any of this stuff. I try just to stick to the airbrushes! I have a few vintage T&C airbrushes that I really enjoy using.
@lesgl
@lesgl 2 ай бұрын
@@theartworkshop The top of line modern TC brushes are up there with the Badgers
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
@@lesgl I will 100% be buying some new T&C airbrushes to review. Will hopefully get to them later on this year.
@freddysoto1166
@freddysoto1166 2 ай бұрын
👍🏾very nice
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Freddy!
@leatherforpets3636
@leatherforpets3636 2 ай бұрын
sotar or a custom micron ? thats my dilemma
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Both are awesome but spray differently. I would argue that the sotar 20/20 sprays a lot more like the high performance line (like my HP-B) rather than the micron. Just my opinion, but I think that the custom micron is the best detail airbrush available today. But it is 5x the price of the sotar.
@kenbarton3136
@kenbarton3136 2 ай бұрын
Great brush.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
@@kenbarton3136 Ken you are a big badger fan as well right? what is your go to detail airbrush these days? I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this!
@leatherforpets3636
@leatherforpets3636 Күн бұрын
@@theartworkshop so i got the sotar and i am speechless from the perfomance
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop Күн бұрын
@@leatherforpets3636 you like it?!
@NobleWizard
@NobleWizard 2 ай бұрын
Interesting, your needle protrudes further than mine
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
Funny you say that because I've noticed the same thing. Some sotar needles that I've purchased in the past didn't stick out as far as others. I'm not quite sure why this is.
@pariahzero
@pariahzero 2 ай бұрын
With that geometry (small nozzle, tapered needle) even the _smallest_ differences will make the needle protrusion change significantly. From a machining standpoint, the even bacteria living on it would think _whoah, this is some precise stuff!_
@herveperottino9084
@herveperottino9084 10 күн бұрын
j'espère bientôt recevoir le gold qui et sur le chemin de la livraison, je suis de france j'espère qu'il arrivera en entier pour pouvoir profité sur mes toile du sotar20/20. Remarquable examen de cette aérographe.
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 10 күн бұрын
I'm sure you are going to love it! It's one of my favorites and worth the wait. Wishing all the very best from NY.
@alternate3787
@alternate3787 2 ай бұрын
I wouldnt get one for the reason that the needle is always exposed. I know that the "good" artists always work with it exposed anyway, but you also have to store it with the needle at least sticking out from the back. It makes me nervous just looking at it
@theartworkshop
@theartworkshop 2 ай бұрын
I think that is a very good point and a valid concern.
@OnlyC4MUSiC
@OnlyC4MUSiC 2 ай бұрын
First!
@worm1618
@worm1618 2 ай бұрын
You did it, son. Your mother would be proud.
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