The Badlands in Voyager Vs Deep Space 9 vs Star Trek Discovery + Alternate Ending

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[@MajorGrin]

Review of the recent episode here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/anfEo6N9YrKDoLc

[@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming]

STD: butchering continuity and lore since 2017

[@StewBedazzle]

My god has it really been on that long? Unreal.

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

Now que the STD fans who will tell you Trek was always this stupid so you're stupid for not liking STD as much as they pretend to.

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

The badlands episode wasn't that bad though.... what continuity did they break this time?

[@martinofilanda6734]

LOL a certified potato!

[@lyle_waddell]

STD lol

[@SchweitzerMan]

Why does Discovery always have to overcomplicate things unnecessarily? The Badlands on Voyager/DS9 looked appropriate; it looked like a place that while dangerous, could be navigated while at the same time, you know it wouldn't be easy. On Discovery, it looks like a convoluted spider's web. The way they do things on Discovery, it's almost like how comic artists were in the 90s, overcomplicating characters with massive shoulder-pads and pouches because they have to be EXTREME!!!

[@shadowedmultiverse]

They always add a ton of unnecessary detail any time they show something from one of the older series; for example the Andorian makeup was perfected on Enterprise, while STD adds even more forehead ridges and even slug-like eyestalks on the sides of their faces.

[@kylerstorm9260]

*sad Cable noises*

[@liamscienceguy8153]

Idk it seems like the library specifically chose a particularly dangerous section to hide in, makes sense to me

[@Arvyn992]

The Bad Lands is a rough place to fly through even on the best of days

[@atomicninjaduck9200]

@@shadowedmultiverse Ugh, really? That sounds even worse than those things they tried to pass off as Klingons! So glad I tuned out after the first season!

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

Prior Trek: "The Badlands is inhospitable and dangerous to travel inside. But, usable for those wanting to escape." STD: "You need space magic to fly through it. If you travel further in, maybe you'll find rainbows!"

[@ChanticoChulo]

your talking 1000 years of development in starship shield Teck so yes by Spock's and DS9 standards but that was 700 years ago. you may not like it, but this should be possible at this time.

[@slowfreq]

@@ChanticoChulo They said that in the show?

[@marvinmallette6795]

@@slowfreq No, they said cut the engines, and fly in unpowered and ballistic.

[@zkeletonz001]

@@ChanticoChulo 700 years? 1000 years? What are you talking about? Wait, are you an STD writer?

[@007REAPER007]

1000 years and their systems still cant calculate the mass of debris to be able to say "thats not enough debris to be a ship".

[@NitpickingNerd]

When Fajo faked Data's death they first scanned him to know exactly how much of each material to put in the debris

[@highallmighty233]

It's the ending we can only hope for.

[@Thathumanoverthere1701]

No matter what happens on screen, this image is now my head cannon.

[@davfree9732]

"Discovery has been destroyed." "Is there enough debris to suggest the whole ship was destroyed? What about organic matter?" "... I'm just reading what it says in the script." "... Good. (12 of acting for this... At least no one will see me behind this helmet.)

[@user-gf7kj5vj3p]

"we have detected debris the size of shuttle craft" - "ok not discovery, keep on searching then" LOL

[@NitpickingNerd]

@@user-gf7kj5vj3p funniest part is they said the Breen can track their spore jumps . so why couldn't they simply track them again this time and figure out they did succeed in jumping

[@stopgeorge]

@@NitpickingNerd Exactly. And if they can detect their jumps why did Space Jesus immediately "fly" to the library. She's again responsible for another bunch of deaths and injuries. But no demotion for her!

[@excessmaterial]

As soon as I *didn't* see cool space tornadoes I was like "welp you fucked THAT up too of course".

[@ranchoth]

The age-old song of sci-fi productions: SFX Chief: “So, what kind of overwhelmingly eye-catching, bleeding edge CG effect elements did you want for this shot?” Producer: “All of them.”

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

Okay but it does look gorgeous

[@slowfreq]

Inb4 someone blames literally all problems with modern media on cgi

[@Zhortac]

DS9 and VOY made the badlands seem like a place you didn't want to fly into, unless it was nessicary, and even then it was difficult. Discovery just casually flew through it, because fuck reasoning...

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

Yes, fuck 700 years of development

[@Paulafan5]

Discovery is from Kirk's time, right? If it could easily destroy a 24th century Cardassian warship, then Discovery wouldn't stand much of a chance.

[@Zhortac]

@@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd Discovery was before Pike took the Enterprise, which just adds to why it's stupid

[@Kilovotis]

@@Zhortac Discovery is literally in the 32nd century after Season 2. I hate Discovery too but this is not a good reason.

[@augustjsb]

Nah, he just cut out the part where they were getting their sh!t rocked. Otherwise he'd have no video

[@beminsterify]

I hate the way the Discovery looks. There is a reason "concept art" and "final draft" are two different things.

[@kuribayashi84]

I remember actually loving the 70s concept art. Then the first Teaser Trailer for DISC showed up with this design and I was surprised by how… unappealing it actually looks.

[@stopgeorge]

I want a slice of pizza every time I see the ship. And Federation HQ looks like a blender. Maybe the production artists have a thing for kitchen utensils and appliances?

[@cracno1125]

The real problem with the design is that it was intended for a sequel to TOS that was never made. So, the ship looks alright for a post TOS era, but it's out of place for something that's supposed to be like 20 years before TOS.

[@ankaris5129]

@@stopgeorge It's not the production artists, it's usually the brief they have been given. The artists do their best with what they've been given. Ultimate say so comes from producers, showrunners, sometimes directors and then filtered down through the production designer to the concept artists.

[@stopgeorge]

@@ankaris5129 So you're saying they were given direction to follow a kitchen utensil theme from the producers?

[@dramonmaster222]

LOL! Good Bye Discovery. And the way they were portrayed in Deep Space 9 and Voyager was much better.

[@dr.nigelcool3771]

0:22 "Some kind of..." That's the favorite phrase in Voyager.

[@dajonaneisnoah8714]

[Disclaimer: Not defending Discovery, just posing a "What-if...?"] I have long wondered if the DS9 era Badlands were somehow related to the Pah Wraiths, considering their whole fire motif. The show never ventured an explanation for the giant stationary plasma storm, its strangely orderly structure, nor the fact that its proximity to Bajor never presented any kind of danger to the system. The Wormhole was created by the Prophets. What if the Badlands were created by the Pah Wraiths? I could see it loosing order over the centuries once the Pah Wraiths were permanently locked in the Fire Caves.

[@maik6478]

Discovery should not only be destroyed, but also removed from the space-time continuum. It is not about altering the past, but restoring the past.

[@Paulafan5]

There was a Voyager 2-parter when an alien scientist used his ship to erase objects and even civilizations from history. Could really use him.

[@DarkNova50]

@@Paulafan5 Erasing Michael Burnham and Discovery restores the proper timeline and makes the Krenim the good guys in one fell swoop!

[@resnatachyon]

I noticed STD, still using the Jetson's car sound, when spore jumping.

[@randomelement5510]

I think that was also a Scooby Doo sound effect.

[@resnatachyon]

@@randomelement5510 Some Hanna Barbara share that sound similar sound. The Jetson's predates them. It did start in 1962. But the sound of something zipping through a transport tube or a flying car is nearly identical. Still a bad choice in sound design.

[@randomelement5510]

​@@resnatachyon Those cartoons were great artistic achievements compared to STD.

[@resnatachyon]

@@randomelement5510 Sad times, Alex Kurtzman's solution? Let add an aquarium floored science lab to SNW! Real great use of money.. storytelling.. no. Discovery had a most 18 producers listed for STD! Truly the greatest money laundering machine.

[@fishjones4618]

‘MEMBER THE BADLANDS? ‘MEMBER DS9?? ‘YA ‘MEMBER??

[@randomelement5510]

The Chris Farley Show: " 'Member, 'member when Star Trek had good characters and stories that made sense? That was awesome!"

[@SparkyP]

I still see the discovery ship still has built in eye level flamethrowers on the bridge 😅

[@RGBmode]

They are just temporary until the rocks arrive on Tuesday.

[@stopgeorge]

They should have them on the Bird of Prey when the K-Pop Klingons start dancing and singing.

[@scottishadonis]

Great for blinding the crew with a burn…😂😂

[@dcb_75]

STD's badlands are just like the show and franchise now - just a big mess of things meant to resemble something better but nowhere close to hitting the mark.

[@DjentleBen1105]

I don't care how far visual effects have come, 90's CGI will forever be the pinnacle.

[@deltadom33]

90s star trek looks so much better than star trek discovery compared to stupid trek and the stories were so much better compared to discovery.which.is insomnia causing

[@samspeed6271]

Wholeheartedly agree, 90s Trek SFX we're the best. The best way I can describe Discovery's SFX are that they're all for show and have no substance behind them (like the show itself, coincidentally). CGI may be spectacular, but for Disco and Picard the ships look rubbish. I've seen a few videos of a guy who's made his own motion control rig for models and is using a commercially available AMT Enterprise E model, and it looks almost as good as ILM's effects for First Contact for a lot of shots. For the ships, the SFX team should go back to miniatures, even if they're not full size models like the 90s and they're scaled down, I believe it would look better.

[@spikedpsycho2383]

In fairness they've had 1000 years technological improvement

[@ELEKTROSKANSEN]

2:00 at that point in the episode, I laughed out loud and yelled "welcome to Disneyland!"

[@marvinmallette6795]

I did that for Whistlespeak, for the towers that the Denobulans erected. Now I'm thinking about the movie Demolition Man where Taco Bell owns everything,... Except, Sony is the one looking to buy CBS/Paramount last I heard.

[@JonBowe]

So the Discovery Crew have found Atlantis from Stargate?

[@vrenak]

Glad to see I'm not the only one to think this, and inside it, the library from Star Wars. Now the Breen ship is that taken from Mass Effect or did they lift that from somewhere else?

[@scockery]

Spoilers: Torri Higginson dies again.

[@vrenak]

In DS9 and VOY the plasmastorms in the badlands, appears to be 2 layers set apart discharging plasmaflares between each other, In STD it just looks like a cloudy effect.

[@Avatar2312]

And if people find these 2 layers more reasonable instead of the cloud, it is no wonder some belive in a flat Earth.

[@vrenak]

@@Avatar2312 Lol, problem is if you have a big cloud, like this, you don't get these dangerous plasmaflares, so no layers, no danger.

[@Avatar2312]

@@vrenak Why not? As with the Briar Patch there could be gas pockets of greater density with charged plasma-jets erupting like geysers, getting absorbed into another pocket, recharged by whatever makes the plasma storm stormy and then erupt again. These can happen into all directions, which makes it extremely unpredictable and dangerous to traverse if you want to get to the eye of the storm in the center. Having just two layers like a double layerd pizza fly through space defeats somewhat the purpose of hiding inside, as your movement inside is limited to left, right, back and forward

[@vrenak]

@@Avatar2312 You need to go back to physics. It's not flying through space, geysers work very differently, and pockets like that will make it a temporary and shortlived phenomenon.

[@Avatar2312]

@@vrenak You want me to go back to physics while talking about flying gas pancakes? Nothing has to do with physics here. No nebula in space exhibits any of the properties attributed to them in Star Trek. They just have marginally more particles of gas and dust per cubic kilometer than normal space. But if you have any gaseous phenomenon in space at least make it... threedimensional.

[@fuferito]

The flattening of the Enterprise symbolizes the decreasing depth in quality of _Kurtzman Trek._

[@thecaptain6730]

Can someone please remind me, maybe it was explained in the episode, but why is the most important library with all these historical artifacts and significance located in the middle of a plasma storm? Seems like there are safer spots to put that. Also, if they change the location of the library, every 50 years, which I think the script said. Then, how come it’s been there for 100 years? And how are they able to move that library at all without any dilithium or warp speed? I thought the burn meant no more warp travel? I’m asking for a friend.

[@TrekkerUK]

I just wonder how Book telepathically linked to a lump of 800 year old metal and could figure out where it was then. Also why even thought the library was fantastic place of historic storage open to all species, the Federation (or at least the crew) knew almost nothing of it.

[@MegaDuckmonster]

Gotta blow the Millions of $'s with VFX somehow, they obviously don't pay for competent writers.

[@saturn580]

1:12 It's 2024 and Spock is still pimp-slapping fools with logic.

[@TomRobson]

What ship is that and from what episode at the 1:02 - 1:06 mark? Looks like a Borg cube as seen through a runabout's ventral windows.

[@olliek2837]

It feels like July 1979: I was just born but even more important for humanity: Disco was dying.

[@Paulafan5]

Updating the graphics is fine, but it should look a lot closer to the established look, just with better textures and effects. It looks like they're flying through a star using Reyga's metaphasic shielding (or whatever it was called that allowed Doctor Beverly to fly into a star).

[@d-fens2726]

Very glad I have only ever seen parts of this show in reviews and memes.

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

Season 5is quite good though, I'd recommend it

[@999benhonda]

I don't understand nutrek creators need to change things previously seen on trek. Update them a little, tweak them some...sure. but they go out of their way to change them entirely. Why?

[@blueskies133]

You could technically have sound in the Badlands because as you can see it is not a perfect vacuum.

[@dustinprewitt]

Wait, whats the Neverending story castle doing in star trek?

[@Valehass]

if only that had happened in season 1 episode1 .

[@TheRealNormanBates]

1:32 I still chuckle at the warp nacelles just floating around from the pylons.

[@scottishadonis]

It makes no sense, they reattach when going to warp as well.

[@Vaderian88]

Why does all if STD's nebulas look the same? Didn't they use the same one when the were looking for that weird sound and light species, what were they called again 10-19 or something.

[@JonathanJK]

No one is going to comment on how the Breen are understood? They speak English now. I loved the garbled voice.

[@atomicninjaduck9200]

I will never get used to the illogical appearance of Discovery's disconnected warp nacelle. Honestly, what's the point? Now you have to use extra energy to drag separate physical objects along with the main mass, and always keep it aligned perfectly. What a waste of energy. And what happens when the ship loses energy? Do the nacelles go floating off into space? Can the Discovery no longer go to warp? And if the nacelles can "beam" energy back and forth, why did they need to take them with the ship into the Discount Badlands? Couldn't they have just left them safely behind? At least the video ended perfectly!

[@Andi4u]

Good point, but where there’s plasma and debris, there’s not necessarily a vacuum…

[@alternative915]

The Discovery take of The Badlands look alot like The Red Nabula... Honeycomb...web thingy from the Rise of Skywalker

[@BasedBidoof]

voyager's vfx look quite sparse by today's standards, but you can understand the elements at play. Discovery's badlands are so crowded and chaotic, like a real storm on earth. Almost a little too crowded, but maybe it looked empty before they did the final render

[@svsguru2000]

I always found the badlands as depicted in the old shows to be too flat and 2-dimensional, completely unrealistic in the context of 3-dimensional space. But STD had to turn it into an undefined mess lacking of any visual clarity.

[@tyrgoossens]

Yeah the original effect was always very videogame-y to me. Of course the old shows compensated for effects through story-telling.

[@compmanio36]

@@tyrgoossens It was always an understanding of "This is the best we can do with limited budget and time", and somehow, most of it looks BETTER than what NuTrek has done, with far more budget, technology and time per episode.

[@beastdude]

The only excuse I can think of is that the badlands have changed/evolved over the last 800 years or so.

[@Paulafan5]

I thought of that too, except if it had changed that much Mikey would've mentioned it because she seems to know almost everything about everything (at least, when the script calls for it).

[@charlesalexander9847]

All the fancy visual effects could never save STD

[@SheldonAdama17]

Discovery: flying through the badlands is super easy, barely an inconvenience

[@zkeletonz001]

STD: Pretty pictures, signifying nothing.

[@the81kid]

So much orange and teal. In the future there are only 2 colors.

[@anthonyn.9228]

Funny how The Defiant and Voyager were able to navigate smoothly and Discovery had all sorts of issues. Huge plot hole.

[@BNuts]

That's not the Baslands, that's the inside of the Smoke Monster from _Lost_ .

[@Captain-Jae-T-Kirk]

Too bad Discovery wasn't actually destroyed at the end. That would be awesome!!

[@toneloc7910]

I always love a happy ending !!!

[@stopgeorge]

When is Moriarty going to save us by pulling the plug on this holo-sequence from hell?

[@coolhand889]

yep it like the great barrier scene where tos it may have been damage but dis a ship cant survive in it without up lifting the high psi crew members.

[@snickerbockers5988]

The VOY/DS9 versions are sooo much better because you can tell that it goes on forever, and also those tornados are massive compared to the ships. There's also a sense of mystery to it because you can't help but wonder how it formed a "ceiling" and "floor" with a vacuum between them and what causes the tornados. There's nothing else like the badlands in Star Trek or Sci-Fi in general because everything about it is contrary to how space should work. The STD version looks like every other "unstable nebula" effect Star Trek has done. You can barely see a couple hundred meters in front of the ship, so you don't get a sense of scale for how huge it is. Although space-lightning is just as unlikely to occur as space-tornados IRL, nutrek has featured space-lightning so many times that there's nothing special about seeing it yet again. The badlands are massive so in terms of canon this isn't necessarily a contradiction since it could just be a different location within the badlands; eg maybe they're actually inside those two massive flat clouds that form the "ceiling" and "floor". But it is a disappointment even if it's not a contradiction. What was even the point of bringing up the badlands if it's not going to bear any resemblance to its past incarnations?

[@Tallacus]

Thanks for watching this shit show for us Major, I gave up after the season premiere

[@Wicked_Sushi]

Ditto.

[@zephyr8072]

Did the writers confuse the Badlands with the Great Barrier?

[@DarthSpock1]

Credit were credit is due, the 3-D storm is a nice, logical upgrade over the planar "sandwich" storm. But otherwise yeah, not impressed. And of course they screw it all up anyway, so ultimately, no points awarded.

[@markaous1212]

The voyager premiere looked very Odo in the field

[@bombarde1701a]

Notice how every stupid ship in modern Trek all sound like Teslas when they fly by or power up? Its insane. I put two and two together one day randomly while loading groceries into my car. Like wow they really used Teslas sounds. If you dont believe me just play any scene from any ship flyby since 2009 and youll see exactly what I mean.

[@kevinslater4126]

What? It's a plasma cloud, of course sound can travel through it! What the hell do you think sound is?

[@NitpickingNerd]

Its not dense enough

[@andybalthazar]

If they could spore jump out, why couldn’t they just jump into the middle?

[@jmferr2011]

The one time I can get behind the Breen.

[@braveintofuture]

The magic castle in space killed it

[@baronsengir187]

Well nothing beats the fungy teleport network in stupidity

[@Tribeofone37]

Where's the library in DS9 voyager?

[@cellulanus]

Discovery really can't help themselves. They have to redesign everything they touch.

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

It's only expected for a modern show to look modern...... If the tech is accessible then why not?

[@cellulanus]

@@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd So everything old is bad? It's new so it must be better?

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

@@cellulanus ofc not the old style suited the show very well and was good for the graphics of that time. But it would not fit with the look of discovery. But I get your point, they could have made it resemble the old badlands a bit more

[@MegaDuckmonster]

@@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd "If the tech is accessible then why not?" - Because no matter how much you polish a Turd, a Turd it shall still be.

[@cellulanus]

@@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd If they didn't want the look of Star Trek why use the Star Trek brand instead of something original? Original works don't have baggage.

[@AlMcpherson79]

... goddamnit these memberberries. *cough* MEMBER? *cough*

[@admiralpegasuscc]

Given the interving time between DS9 and Discovery I would say the badlands could have got worse, and let's not forget the burn. Whether or not fans want to accept it, the burn is star trek lore.

[@stopgeorge]

Awww! You missed the smoking hull on Discovery after they jumped. The smoke was going in one direction (up) in the vacuum of space. Most illogical.

[@NitpickingNerd]

Thats because the ship moved downward and the smoke lagged behind

[@stopgeorge]

@@NitpickingNerd Ahhhh! But doesn't it spin as well? Maybe the smoke is programmable matter.

[@MGoblin]

Breen energy weapons being orange as opposed to the green or cool blue seen in DS9 and Lower Decks respectively or even the purple in STO, just looks so wrong. And the Badlands look awful too.

[@uuddlrlrbas9904]

We could only hope

[@user-gw5lu1gt4u]

適時

[@captainspire9094]

1:21 We can worm drive to the edge of the badlands but we can't to a point a few seconds further inside of it. Right. Also Discovery* has been using SPACE SONAR since the 1st season.

[@compmanio36]

Also, so much for the idea that only Voyager and smaller vessels were nimble enough to evade the plasma storms and safely navigate the Badlands.

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

Cause they don't know the coordinates, they Contact the library through that becon thingy and then they are guided through the badlands

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

​@@compmanio36 * casually ignores 700 years of development*

[@marcneef795]

It is beautiful! 🤩

[@MrRedLimbo]

The unattached nacelles are dumb.

[@superzentredi]

Is that the space cancer from the Rise of Skywalker?

[@blammers]

I wouldn’t mind Discovery’s horrible storytelling so much if it didn’t also do so much damage to the lore and continuity of Star Trek. At this point it’s basically unsalvageable unless they made Discovery take place in an alternate universe.

[@jinks6005]

If only.

[@scottishadonis]

If only…

[@garyobrian3597]

USS Discovery the forerunners want there technology back 😂

[@llamapi3]

Sometimes less is more. Christ.

[@RebornV3]

funnily enough the Voyager/DS9 badlands look better. STDs looks like just generic CGI space storm cloud with orange tint

[@patricklee5239]

If only they'd destroyed the Discovery before the show began!

[@sparquisdesade]

Yeah Discovery is dumb... but like... damn they did the badlands justice AT LEAST VISUALLY. Well up until they found Oz/the bi-frost at the center of it

[@DblOSmith]

God, I hate STD ship design. The spinning disappearing thing is so damn stupid.

[@ChanticoChulo]

Yes, sound can travel through plasma, the fourth state of matter. Sound waves in plasma propagate as fluctuations in the density of charged particles. The speed at which sound waves travel through plasma, called the ion's sound speed (Cs), is affected by the plasma's temperature, density, and composition, as well as the mass and charge of the ions. The so the comment Spock says is incorrect in this case.

[@AbhishekKumar-rn1bd]

👏

[@ChanticoChulo]

The Breen are using Phased Polaron weapons that's how they appear in Star trek online and boy do they kick

[@MGoblin]

My own Breen character has Phased Polaron weapons on his Chel Boalg. They're fitting, but they certainly aren't orange. Really should've gone with either green like in DS9, the cool blue seen in Lower Decks, or even the (Phased) Polaron purple like in STO. The orange just looks... wrong to me.

[@Jamie_Pritchard]

This ENTIRE show is just one giant member berry after another! It's trying so hard to be intertwine itself with prior Trek series' it's actually really rather desperate... "Please think of me as being real Star Trek!!" It also doesn't help that they consistently get so much wrong too.

[@MurderMostFowl]

I hate disco with a passion, but… And I can’t believe I’m going to say this… The whole thing about the noise is possible. If there is enough gas and particles in the area of space then it is capable of transmitting sound. I am not a physicist so I can’t tell you how dense it needs to be but it’s possible since he literally describes it a a dust cloud and plasma. ( don’t get me wrong… It’s just a happy accident if anything. “a broken clock is right twice a day” after all. I still think the show makes incredibly stupid decisions and makes things overly dramatic for no reason. Just that scene alone where we always see is the guys mouth is childish and first-year-film-student level “art”. Ugh.

[@kuribayashi84]

Am I the only one who finds the sound effects and music in Discovery constantly off-putting, especially in comparison to the old shows?

[@rudiruttger]

Ah, yes, Good

[@BirbarianHomeGuard]

Eh, not a hater on this one. Just this one.

[@Peaceforall20111]

The thing about sound I get but remeber it is a show and showing dramatic effect for a mental vision is not absorbed. I don’t know how you don’t see that the effects from the 90s look like you would expect and a line with the same kind of things that you’re seeing in the 32nd century . Also 900 years is a long time for a change. They did say that people would hide in the Badlands and it’s possible that there are these pockets in there they can hide in and that’s what they meant. We just never saw them. Also technology could have been used to create the safe pocket of space for the archive; again unspoken but seems likely with it have stuff from endless species. I find it hard to believe that species would put their stuff there or want their stuff there if it wasn’t secure. Overall, this one seems weak to me

[@XennialTV]

My explanation for this is that the plasma storm of the Badlands has changed/evolved in 800 years so now it looks and acts differently. Hundreds of years of swirling has created additional electrical bursts which themselves altered the way the plasma churns.

[@MartianInAHumansBody]

I just hope STO badlands don't change

[@196cupcake]

Pshhhh, obviously, the difference is explained by the 900 years that have elapsed. Why do you hate trans rights? ... ... sarcasm!

[@nikvolt8298]

STD is like an STD. WILL SOMEONE explain why the Bridge has vents that shoot out fire?? Woke Production Design perhaps?

[@juappdev]

Maybe the rock budget got cut

[@nikvolt8298]

@@juappdev They need to bring back the rocks!

[@nunyabitness9201]

D.E.I hiring practices. You don't need to know anything about the previous shows, or lore, or even do anything that makes sense, or is Worth watching.

[@briancunningham4100]

STD is complete trash . How the hell are they still making this tripe . It needs to be tossed into the bin of history and never remember again . Totally ruined the franchise!!!!!!!!!!!

[@mnky26]

Are people really complaining about the visual upgrade? lol