The Batman was ALMOST Great

When the Batman hit theaters, I heard a lot of praise for the film, many people claiming it was as good as or at least on the same level as the Dark Knight Trilogy… and I emphatically disagree. I think the Batman is a good Batman film, that falls short of being great due to a few creative decisions. In this video I’ll be analyzing precisely why I think this film fell just short of greatness and what small changes could’ve been made to get it over the hump, to where it would actually be in contention with the Dark Knight trilogy.
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[@marchionessamoretto7326]

Christian Bale thanked Satan for his award. He puts me off. And The Batman is better than The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. The Batman is a masterpiece

[@FriendlyBatDoom]

There were multiple moments in the theater where I was ahead of Batman. Batman, there's an apartment complex across the street from the Iceberg Lounge where the various pictures of corrupt officials were taken. Why aren't you investigating that? It's because it's the year 2 Batman. Batman, why didn't you spellchecker your Spanish before running with it? It's because it's the year 2 Batman. Batman, why didn't you take the time to investigate this UNIQUE MURDER WEAPON IN THE CARPET TUCKER? It's because it's year 2 Batman, and he was worried about his identity being exposed, which is funny because he said earlier that he didn't care what happened to him.

[@ScreenedStories]

Yeah I see what you’re saying, I also in the theater felt like Batman was making blatant mistakes. Regardless of if this is year 2 Batman, he’s supposed to be a genius level detective, and some of his mistakes are just things a genius detective isn’t going to do. And yeah, I think the reason he cares if his name is revealed, is because it would hamper his crime fighting if it was leaked. Obviously he’d get arrested or the police would attempt to raid Wayne manor upon hearing this information. He doesn’t really care that it would impact Bruce Wayne’s life at all, because this version of the character identifies only as Batman, at least for the majority of the film, which is kind of my biggest issue with the film. I feel like the character is most interesting when there’s two identities/lives at play, and abandoning his Bruce Wayne identity for the most part is intrinsically less interesting to me.

[@Hades69099]

2:30 yeah that jail scene is where I thought the movie really dropped the ball, I like your idea of how that unfolded better. The riddler was an interesting villain that was carrying the movie up until that moment. That would have been the perfect spot to end the film, and I would have been satisfied.

[@ScreenedStories]

Yeah, I feel like having the Riddler misread the situation completely just pulls the chair out from under him, he’s not a physical threat, so I feel like he needs to be a master manipulator and mastermind in order to be an intimidating force, and that jail scene just sent his character and the movie into a little bit of a tailspin

[@bobbehers1625]

We must remember that this is year two of Batman. To me that makes everything from the Batmobile to the Bat and Bruce Wayne all fall together, Sorry to disagree, but I found it to be very entertaining in story.

[@ScreenedStories]

I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with you, I found it to be entertaining, and I do think it’s a good film, I was more so just pointing out some areas I would’ve taken in different directions, as a whole I think it works well, it’s more so small things, like Batman not using Bruce Wayne as an opportunity to create a fake persona for the outside world to hide his secret, that I think the film could’ve done to add more wrinkles to the fold, or cleaning up the editing to shorten the run time for example, I was kind of starting from the stand point of what my ideal Batman film would be, and pointing out the few areas that I felt deviated from that path, if that makes sense

[@suryasingh9738]

Tbh with you, I don't like Pattinson as much as I liked Bale, Keaton, or Affleck. He wasn't a bad portrayal, just didn't hit with me the same as the other 3 did. I hope the DCU Batman learns from his predecessors' mistakes and remains more faithful to the comics.

[@ScreenedStories]

I can see where you’re coming from, I enjoyed him for the most part when he was actually in the suit, but outside of it is another story, so I do think his performance as a whole is not what I would consider a great Batman, and I do also hope that the DCU version of Batman is much different, especially since they’ll be portraying the character simultaneously, I think it’ll be important to have distinctions between the two to avoid confusion amongst casual moviegoers

[@suryasingh9738]

@@ScreenedStories DCU Batman is going to be more comic based and fantastical apparently while Battinson is more realistic and more of a noir film. I think he has potential to surpass all the other Batmen.

[@ScreenedStories]

@@suryasingh9738 yeah that definitely makes sense in terms of him having to interact with other comic characters in a vast universe, a gritty and hyperrealistic Batman like Pattinson wouldn’t really mesh that well in that position

[@suryasingh9738]

@@ScreenedStories You know originally, I saw Pattinson with Corenswet, but tbh with you it wouldn't work as well as Corenswet with a proper Batman actually made for him.

[@kylekullin2520]

I prefer Pattison to Ben Affleck!

[@Red_Spidey]

I think your problem with Batman is that hes not a gary stu? The movie established that he works best in the shadow, he took out everyone in that one hallway scene, of course he gonna get toss around when hes in full lit area. You said the Bruce persona is bad, and isnt that the point? He doesnt care about being Bruce Wayne, Hes Batman in and out of the suit, and no, no one would suspect a thing about Bruce being Batman since Bruce said by the Riddler is a selfish person, and looks down on everyone from his tower. No one would suspect Bruce a selfish person to be a selfless hero, thats why Riddler didnt jump in the conclusion that Bruce is Batman. It is not stupid that Riddler thinking hes working with Batman ,the Riddler called Bruce wayne's name to Batman multiple times because he was just cheering Batman up, Bruce called out riddler for being psychopath as defense mechanism because hes trying to deny THAT HE DID INDEED work with Riddler, hes the one that caused the chaos in Gotham, hes THE INSPIRATION for Riddler. And reason for Riddler believing Batman was working with him is that he thought Batman was also cleaning the corruption; therefore ,he acts surprised that Batman doesnt want to be part of this, he thought this is what Batman wanted, he thought their GOALS aligned ,but instead they crashed, its such a fukin good twist because for the very FIRST TIME in a Batman movie, the villain is actually A REFLECTION of a hero, i think you would prefer a one noted villain, manipulate hero and stuff. The movie is called The Batman because hes THE issue, hes THE PROBLEM thats why in the end, hes started to become hope. I think the entire movie flew over yourhead.

[@ScreenedStories]

There's a difference between being a gary stu, and being a physical force, my primary issue was the fact that he had to inject himself with adrenaline or whatever that substance was in order to defeat nameless goons, he should experience some level of difficulty in his fights from time to time as adversity should be present to overcome, but I feel resorting to injecting himself was a weird creative decision and something I would scrap As far as the Batman/Bruce Wayne dichotomy, I personally like when there is some kind of conflict of interest or struggle between his two halves, and the decision to have the Bruce Wayne half be non-existent and completely overtaken by the Batman persona, is inherently less interesting to me, I see why they did this, and I understand that is was intentionally done to highlight that Batman is his true identity and that he no longer sees himself as Bruce Wayne, again, I just think that throws away an interesting aspect of the character, and I don't think the film is better for it You make a fair point that there is a negative public perception of Bruce Wayne, so that can work to help throw people off the scent of who Batman really is, but I still think that actually making appearances and creating a public persona that is not so edgy, would be a better tactic to remove suspicion, if they were going to go in the direction of Batman being the true persona, I would have at least liked to see Batman use his life as Bruce Wayne as an affront, essentially a fake life just meant to trick the public into believing there's no chance he could be Batman, him not doing this just feels like a missed opportunity to me, I think that’s a simple enough tactic, that even a young Batman could comprehend and implement, also just because I don’t love the narrative direction doesn’t mean I can’t comprehend it, it’s completely normal to be able to enjoy something yet still see flaws in it or creative choices you would have made different calls on

[@ScreenedStories]

Also, I don't think that the Riddler intentionally manipulating Batman into helping him gets rid of the reflection between the two that you're talking about, in fact I think it would only strengthen it, as the Riddler could use this revelation as his attempt to break Batman, and force him to realize that he's "no better" than the Riddler, and in this fashion I actually think it would hit Batman harder, almost in a killing joke kind of way, but with Batman being the test subject of the "a bad day can brake anyone" theory that Joker implements on Jim Gordon in Killing Joke, and this would force Batman to realize he needs to change, and that the way he was going about his crime fighting has been flawed, so while the Riddler might attempt to break him with this revelation, it could rather inspire him to change, be better, and no longer be a reflection of the Riddler, essentially I just don't think my suggested change hurts this aspect of the current film, and Riddler thinking Batman was willingly helping him just feels like a weird assertion by the Riddler, I think it functions better as a plot twist for the audience than it does as a logical conclusion for the Riddler to come to, but again, that's just my take on it, and I understand why someone would like the direction the film went into, I just would have personally went in a different direction, but again, I think it's a good film, I just think it falls short of being phenomenal or great

[@callmejacob3234]

Batman was never a gary stu the dude is too flawed to be a gary stu.

[@nickdudek5793]

I just listened to 2 minutes of this video and disagreed

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Almost? I don't think it was even close. Weepy whiny lead character, way too long, and it was just a reskinned Se7en. His fight at the beginning was pretty weak too. Dude needs to hit people like twenty times just to take them down, meanwhile he can tank machine gun fire at point blank range and bombs that go off in his face. Also bridges at 200 mph. Such a goofy movie.

[@ScreenedStories]

I see where you’re coming from, I do think it’s heavily inspired by Se7en and other murder mysteries, to the point of the films detriment, and the power scaling/fight sequences suffer a lot, you can kind of just tell they put less focus into the action than they should have, given that, as a Batman film, you need a more heighten focus on the action sequences than you would in a typical murder mystery, since Batman should be an intimidating and badass figure first and foremost

[@callmejacob3234]

Bro did you watch The Dark Knight Trilogy? That trilogy had the worst fight scenes ever. The Batman is a massive improvement. Battinson is way more intimidating than Bale's Batman ever was. Part of Batman is that he's scary Bale's Batman was too goofy to be taken seriously.

[@ScreenedStories]

@@callmejacob3234 if we’re talking about his voice, yeah Bale had a horrible Batman voice, but I personally think the action in the Dark Knight trilogy was better, The Batman had pretty good action but the third act is where it fell apart a bit for me, getting shot by nameless goons just felt weird to me

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@callmejacob3234 The ten-second fight scene at the club was cool, but everything else was goofy. Not even a nerd needs to punch someone 20 times to take them out.

[@callmejacob3234]

Not gonna lie The Batman is better than The Dark Knight Trilogy when it comes to adapting Batman. Nolan gave us a perfect Bruce Wayne but his Batman left a lot to be desired. Batman Begins was perfect but The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises are terrible Batman films. After Batman Begins they just stopped being Batman films. Battinson is way better than Bale's Batman he doesn't have a goofy voice and he's actually intimidating. Bale's Batman was just too goofy to be taken seriously. Bale's Batman is massively overrated by Nolan fanboys.

[@ScreenedStories]

I see what you’re saying, I do think Bale’s Bruce Wayne is far better than Pattinson’s given that Bruce Wayne is largely absent from the Batman, but I see the argument for him being better when he’s actually in the suit, I thought Pattinson was great as Batman, my issues with the film are largely structural, as I would’ve made some different creative choices with the script

[@callmejacob3234]

@@ScreenedStories I think the world building of The Batman is great but The Riddler didn't really feel like Ridder. Also I wish Bryan Cranston was Commissioner Gordon that would've been spectacular. Overall The Batman is a brilliant comic book film and I can't wait to see what Matt Reeves does next.

[@ScreenedStories]

@@callmejacob3234 I agree, I think it built out a really interesting Gotham City that felt really corrupt which perfectly works to show why this iteration of Batman needed to pick up the mantle, and I agree with your point on the riddler, I was okay with it early on, but the further into the film we got the more it just felt like a weird portrayal of the character to me

[@marchionessamoretto7326]

I totally agree with you

[@skylersimpson4692]

Yeah it could have been if it didn’t have catwomen talking about “wHitE pRiVelEDgE” and changing Jim Gordon black. It was woke garbage

[@marchionessamoretto7326]

Sensitive much??? Get a grip, and Jeffrey Wright is a fantastic Commissioner Jim Gordon