THE BAYESIAN: SUPERYACHT SINKING

[@davidaikman1920]

Yeah... we really need to stop calling boats/ships "unsinkable." History has shown us that It hasn't ended well.

[@Scorpio72350]

Calling boats unsinkable seems like a curse. It’s a term that should never be used. As the lady said, Titanic taught us this is not the case already.

[@Missstrish]

You commented what I was about to say. Anything that goes in the water is not unsinkable. I don’t care what it has to prevent it from happening.

[@dannywilliams98]

It just proves again that nature is more powerful than anything we think we can build.

[@WrestlingnewsUniversal]

tru

[@gha9543]

Floating vessels

[@Tom-t8f]

Once some fool boat builder announces his creation is UNSINKABLE , mother nature sends a reminder who is in control .

[@teresitahammond731]

So True

[@donatass.4699]

Lets not bash designers, they do as they are asked: 1) Client gives his grandiose requirements. 2) Industry regulations sets the safety requirements. 3) Designers design the boat using modern tools assessing various physics parameters as well as regulation. 4) Certification body certifies the boat to be operated in open seas and oceans. And then along the lines there is procedures that captain need to follow.

[@blackknight2556]

I don't understand why the mast wasn't lowered when it was known a storm was approaching. That mast was so tall I am sure it played a part in the boat sinking.

[@Maxillz]

@@blackknight2556 you cant lower a mast like that

[@janetfrisco772]

​@@blackknight2556you take the sails down and start the motor. Closing hatches would have been the first think to be done. It had a retractable keel and that should have been down for stability. From what I've it was retracted which decreased stability in a storm but it was usually left retracted when moored.

[@marcoosvald8429]

Poor daughter dying alone in that cabin. May she rest in peace.

[@awa80]

you mean Rich daughter dying alone in that cabin

[@ISouza-qs9yy]

@@awa80 what’s the difference? Do you think having money make the situation better to her ? Smh

[@neilsingh5311]

@@awa80You are an atrocious human being.

[@tamimoncrief2264]

Riches mean nothing when you're dying.

[@OutofDarkness_jik]

@@awa80 The voice of uncompassionate and wicked hearts can only be delivered from Satan's nature by Christ alone. I have done bad things, and He alone died to pay the penalty I deserved for my wicked ways. I decided to obey the devil instead of the Lord when I ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil on that terrible day for humanity (Genesis 3). That made me fall, and my tongue became molded by satan's..... But even so, Christ died while I was yet sinning and has rescued me from the depths of the ocean of sin.

[@metamorphicme9378]

The sea sure does have appetite for billionaires lately.😮

[@user-tj7nb9fu9t]

Yes, 10 billionaires from major western companies had ship accidents ..

[@Sulavezi]

A lot of money can be dangerous! yachts, submarines, helicopters, etc

[@Joel_Cauchi]

​@@user-tj7nb9fu9tname them

[@lili-sz6nj]

​@@user-tj7nb9fu9tMake you wonder....

[@honeybunch5765]

​@Sulavezi true, one should be wealthy and careful. Most of these billionaires are ruthless by nature. They take chances most of us won't, that is how they gain their wealth. It just make sense they will take Ruth chances in life as general.

[@TheAfrikanSuperstar]

Why do people insist on calling boats unsinkable? Did Titanic teach us anything?

[@brianwebb191]

NO looks like the answer to that lol.

[@Benucci_music]

No boat is unsinkable now that we have nukes. Show me a ship that couldn't be blown out of the sea. They're nothing but Gucci dressed sitting ducks

[@pahvi3]

​@@Benucci_music Unsibkable doesn't really mean indestructible lol

[@alainclvpentax8798]

Yes exactement i was thinking the same

[@DavidGarcia-kf9wo]

If the keel would had been down It had never sink.

[@Talkwithtina808]

These people were killed by some very powerful people! No other boats were affected and his partner got hit by a car a killed. The love of money smh!! Someone messed with that boat

[@RayThackeray]

Not possible.

[@Mokhoessaid]

They got killed the other owner got killed by accident at the same time how convient

[@RayThackeray]

@@Mokhoessaid You conspiracy nutjobs are staggerinly economical in the brains department. How did killers arrange for a one in a million storm? Oh and the woman who killed the other guy called the police and stayed on the scene, exactly how a killer wouldn't.

[@simmiesim321]

Delusional if you think it was any more than freak storm

[@GabriellaDeLaRosa-t3d]

@@RayThackeraywith money all things are possible

[@collcoll9098]

Sad to listen to this tragic story, but thank you for keeping the public informed! like Mr. Lynch’s family, many would want to know, how this awful tragedy happened!

[@auang]

I live in the area where the ship sank, we cut off the tops of tall trees so that they don't fall over in a storm, for me it is clear that the tall mast was blown over by the wind

[@Scorpio72350]

That is interesting. However I don’t think the keel was down either. Which it didn’t have to be with what they knew. The mast didn’t break. But it would have been in the ‘not-breaking’ that it pulled the boat over with it. It would have been better maybe if the mast had broken while the boat was still afloat.

[@SilverAspen1]

​@Scor8pio72350 I was thinking the same 😢

[@iuli1978]

Is there any other boat which has been sinking aling the time since you live there? Thanks!

[@mahinahathaway]

a report clearly put together by someone who knows zilch about marine safety standard, super yacht design and basic physics

[@newforestpixie5297]

That’s a good tip. We have a 40 ft ‘Christmas tree’ which was planted by our nipper & I love the thing & all trees but realise it’s now big enough to get toppled by an unusually big wind & rather than cut it down I’ll get the top third ( or whatever an expert recommends) taken off. In our part of English Suburbia it’s the current trend to remove almost everything with leaves. I think everyone likes to look busy but in real terms most are too lazy to push a broom about for an hour once a week .Our end of the road has become an urban desert & i for one wanna keep the wild birds . Thanks from near Bournemouth 😁👍🐢❤️

[@jonjajon539]

There is something fischy goin on here.

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

There is nothing fishy going on. It is only a sad matter of poor yacht design. No yacht with a 70 degree stability ratio should put to sea. Proper yachts have a 150 degree stability ratio

[@fabiobeolchi4776]

@@patrickmatthiesen8538 are you sure? I am afraid that this Is instead, the story of incompetent people which should not skip or man a boat. The envelope of the boat was well known to anybody since the very beginning, almost 20 years ago and, since the boat was British, It was for sure compliant with their local technical and legal requirements for sailing ships. I do not understand who tries to blame the boat design. It Is totally illogical. It Is like, just for instance, blaming Jaguar because the driver crashed the car against a wall...are you serious? I am sure the new zeland genius of naval enginering who designed Bayesian, and the french artist of naval interior design who took care of the interiors did the best they could, and the boat was so well built that the divers said it lies perfectly intact at the bottom of the sea. I am afraid there is no hope for the skipper, unless the judge decides to blame the whole system, but this would mean to blame the British naval board too, and I am afraid the Italian public prosecutor will not have the guts to do It. But just wait and see, maybe they will discover a big hole on the port side when they rescue the boat.

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

Yes the only thing fishy is fish swimming through the sunken hull.

[@denisebernard140]

It may be that its a combination of design flaw, human error, timing and the weather. Sad loss of life, including the young 18 year old girl who had just celebrated doing so well with her A Levels. Feel for all of the families affected. I hope that the investigation can be swift and provide them all with the answers they seek, though their grief will be long lasting, and i hope they get the support they undoubtedly will need in the tough times ahead.

[@lyndkent-cl2oe]

Nothing is "unsinkable"...If human error is present!...RIP..🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤

[@bayam9718]

@lyndkent-cl2oe Même en l'absence de toute erreur humaine, les phénomènes de la nature sont parfois si violents et tellement imprévisibles qu'ils dépassent toutes les prévisions en matière de conception et de sécurité.

[@concernedcitizen2076]

Technology gradually minimizes error.

[@BTCxyz369]

Amen🙏 Well said

[@teresitahammond731]

Mother Nature !

[@BTCxyz369]

@@teresitahammond731 let's open the doors and get the deck chairs for Mother Nature to take a seat

[@Taylorrr-Made]

Wins a 13-year legal battle in court but loses in one night to Mother Nature. Why do humans insist that our engineering can go toe-to-toe with her? She never loses.

[@tm75_88]

There wasn't any Mother Nature that night

[@SilverAspen1]

​@@tm75_88really???? Who else then??? Don't tell me incompetent crew staff. ..

[@RaReBaNe]

It cant be coincidence that two people died days apart after a fraud case

[@GabriellaDeLaRosa-t3d]

Yea something’s off

[@SilverAspen1]

It is a coincidence, sad coincidence 😢

[@BabyAguiba]

Money is power. 😅

[@spokeraq]

You think they could have foreseen or created the perfect storm?

[@seleneIrisRegisteredNurse]

Never call a vessel "Unsinkable".

[@MrDonsullivan]

Especially one sitting on the bottom of the sea.

[@lexlayabout5757]

Log dugouts are unsinkable, but the Baysian wasn't one.

[@jmpd2day]

Speaking as an Osteopath, who know nothing about boats, this boat was "Top Heavy", I think the mast was too long......

[@hugohabicht9957]

Or the keel to short or both

[@dkjens0705]

Nobody talks about all the HVAC and engine room and generator vents which are located along the sides of the hull below the deck and will start flooding already at a 55 degree lean angle. I am sure air condition and generators were all running on this warm night and HVAC vents were all open. As the boat lays down, those vents will flood many compartments very quickly. The yacht also had an entertainment area around the mast which can best be described as an empty pool which would fill up quite fast with enough lean angle. I really hate the condecending tone of the boat designer as he praises his own design while talking down about the crew.

[@anahita1984]

Why was the lean do you think?

[@DiscusDL]

As an Engineer on yachts in the past, yes the aft deck flooded with water the size of a back yard swimming pool and those aft deck sliding doors would not have had the manual locking dogs in place, in the slightest roll those beauty over function sliding doors would have rolled open letting the water in. Same doors on many yachts I have been on in the past, in the smallest seas they would roll on tracks, I know the manufacture (withheld) and they are 100 percent beauty over function. Then opening mechanism drives a toothed belt that only has the power to operate the doors in a level condition and has no power to hold them in the open or closed position if the vessel experiences even the slightest roll....... I have replaced belts, adjusted hangers, roller bearings, repaired tracks and have had major repairs at the yard to repair damage from the banging they sometimes experience even on a motor-yacht with zero-speed stabilizers.... Should these have been dogged, underway yes, with owners and guests on board "Good luck with that" All yacht owners/guests need to start participating in safety drills with the crew, most do not even know what or were a Muster Station is. I have never had owners or guests participate in drills, this needs to change. Water ingress through engine room ventilation intake or exhaust ducting, make up air intakes, galley supply air intakes and exhaust, aft deck sliding door, possible laz deck hatch or side door due a yacht healed over due to heavy winds more so by a keel that was possibly retracted lessening the righting moment...put on top of all this, crew possibly not meeting hours rest, guests not understanding the yacht layout and bad weather coming at you in the dark, 1 in 100000 Very Sad.... The yacht manufacture talking down the crew, only running for cover and pushing the blame from them.

[@anahita1984]

@@DiscusDL Thank you for taking the time to respond.

[@tonyguldbrand6049]

@@DiscusDL l agree 100 percent to what you wrote . This yacht and other yachts out there are designed for luxury before safety and Perini Navi knows that and will do anything to cover this up. Those sliding doors are a known design flaw on many yachts, a simular Perini yacht that was featured in "Below Decks" even showed in one of the episodes that the doors failed and 1 crewmember was hurt trying to secure it. If those doors open and the yacht is on it's side, well that's a BIG hole straight into a very big open compartment/salon, that will flood and sink the yacht a hell of a lot faster than an open air intake to a engine room not closed by the engineer. When it comes to the retractable keel it even says in the Perini Navis yacht manual that the keel should "only" be down while under way and under sail, not down while cruising under power or at anchor. The keel even makes a rattling or banging sound while down due to sideways play and at anchor that noise would travel throughout the vessel and no one could sleep. I know for a fact that the captain was woken up by the officer on watch when the wind reached 20 knots and the captain ordered that everyone was woken up (assuming the crew) to secure the vessel on deck, 20 knot wind is nothing for this kind of sailing yacht "normally" so why wake the guests up for that? Some of the the crew was on deck when it was knocked down and they fell in the water and they climbed back onboard. Other crew said that the were walking on the walls. The captain was the one that saved the mother and child. Stop blaming the crew and look in to a freak accident due to a very rear weather phenomenon and design flaws.

[@dkjens0705]

@tonyguldbrand6049 Oh, you know, this world is so full of knuckle dragging haters who are so quick to place blame on people without true knowledge of the situation.

[@l.ellei.sorensen4121]

I'd like to see any activity after the yacht sank. Who arrived in the area, who searched prior to professional search and rescue teams activated. I'd like to know what conditions were like when they arrived, who was on shore, what activities occurred from when the ship arrived to a day and night after the yacht sank.

[@m.j.tumbridge7739]

The fishermen didn’t go out that night

[@FortunateXpat]

Exactly!

[@marcuskelly5768]

Too much money, too much comfort. Sailors forget sailing is a wet sport, not a luxury hotel. If you don't want to get wet stay on land

[@simmiesim321]

Sailors forget nothing !!! Talk about what you know not your jealousy of other peoples money 🤡

[@peterbalac1915]

​@@simmiesim321Once upon a time people aspired to people with wealth, most now are jealous bitter and twisted.

[@daveh8686]

What an uneducated comment.

[@DrJuan-ev8lu]

I don't know of any cases of boats Not sinking from the stern. That is where the weight is and the bow compartment is usually the strongest and most completely water tight to retain buoyancy. The engine compartment usually has enough necessary open ports to fill quickly. This ship is hardly better than most motor yachts and many of them have sunk in severe weather. Real sailing vessels are designed to handle knockdowns and capsizing much better than those floating hotels.

[@Sonnell]

I agree. This ship was not like regular sailing ships. Those can handle twice the angle of knockdowns. This ship was just a pleasure yacht mostly for motoring in calmer seas, nothing more.

[@BoominGame]

@@Sonnell with 70 meters mast, I would never even dream about raising my keel, it's soo soo risky, add to that open doors, because you need that to fill in a boat that quick, it doesn't happen from the vents.

[@JoeKyser]

I would think harder. Immediately I can think of a couple of different common scenarios where its going down bow first. Just think about it harder.

[@JoeKyser]

​@@BoominGamewhat?

[@JoeKyser]

The titanic sank bow first.

[@JustMe-gs9xi]

72 meter mast,, K....237 Feet,,,,, that's HUGE!,,,, for those of us without yachts....It compares to the size of a Average Sequoia Tree!. // But im not even a boater and it seems that could make it unstable. when the boat goes from side to side, wouldn't a higher mast make it tip more??? and i learned what a keel is,, so i appreciate that man who came on The Yacht Racer. This thing is SO crazy, i have to look at it in Separate pieces. The piece tonight is i'll have to learn boat terms to figure out what these boat terms mean, // The Boat people language,,,,,, and i appreciate all the people that actually KNOW yachts are speaking to help us understand.

[@islesofshoals3551]

I believe this was a one in a million catastrophic weather event. The epitome of bad luck. Condolences to all involved

[@type1krush205]

Unfortunately the fact is these Wealthy passengers thought they were staying in a Boutique hotel on land with a Sea view In truth they were sleeping above 50 meters of water on anchorage with just the skin of the Hull between them It's prevalent in this case that all the survivors included the whole crew which cements the fact that unless you can Crew a Vessel you've no business going near the Sea as you will pay the ultimate price especially if you have no understanding or experience of potential emergencies I've been on the North Sea for over the last 20 years and there's nothing Glamorous about it whatsoever

[@RayThackeray]

I would have been glad to be aboard Bayesian under normal conditions in beautiful anchorages, it is glamorous without question. This was a totally freak storm that, as Skip Novak said, nobody could have done anything about it.

[@type1krush205]

@RayThackeray due to your lack of understanding of the all the various types of rapidly moving emergencies that can happen at Sea you don't seem to realise how dangerous the environment can become in an instant There are many videos on KZbin that will demonstrate many types of such examples at Sea 🌊

[@RayThackeray]

@@type1krush205 I am a professional Captain and owner of a 100-ton 97-ft traditional ketch, have sailed 50,000 nautical miles (which amounts to about twice around the world), have been through four hurricanes (one at sea in the Pacific with 70'+ waves 2,000nm from land in any direction) and lived aboard various yachts for over 20 years like I presently am. I think I know a little bit about it compared with your couch in the trailer park. "...due to your lack of understanding of the all the various types of rapidly moving emergencies that can happen at Sea."

[@FairgoldTraining]

Thank heavens I've never had to catch a ferry. What a load of rubbish

[@RayThackeray]

@@type1krush205 I am a sea captain with 50,000 nautical miles presently commanding a traditional 100-ton sailing ketch and 20 years living aboard mostly at anchor. I have beeh through 5 hurricanes on board, one in the middle of the Pacific 2,000 miles from land in any direction. I know more about being at sea than you could even imagine watching KZbin from your Trailer park couch, Catwoman.

[@barryandjackypowell8239]

I listened/watched one interview on the sinking in which it was put forward, by a very knowledgeable person involved in the luxury/super yacht cruising scene that thebowners and passengers do not often getbinstructed in forms of bost drills, unlike passengers on ocean going vessels in previous eras. They simply do not wishto be disturbed/inconvenienced by such details. Also there are many instances where tgere are insufficient crew available to maintain full watches, consequently sleep deprivation frequentky occurs. Just putting these points forward.

[@goodkarna]

@@barryandjackypowell8239 They don't wish to be disturbed or inconvenienced with such details because they assume that the crew will save their lives in an emergency.

[@peggypasson8794]

It happen very quickly they say idk ...

[@angelaaz6282]

It certainly would prove useful for passengers, no matter how rich, to at least know what an abandon ship signal sounded like!

[@marcuskelly5768]

Good point

[@TheTurbinator]

Yes, everyone knows about eSysMan

[@annaharpster5664]

Such a sad event. A real tragedy. Having owned much smaller sailing as well as power yachts with my husband as captain and I as navigator, I can personally attest to the difficulties you face when bad weather, rain and strong winds develop seemingly out of nowhere at night. I have witnessed water spouts form in seconds and push thru Port Canaveral like a waterlogged tornado. My husband and I have also been at the helm of a very sturdy,, heavy-keeled center cockpit 50-foot Hunter Passage on a calm ocean and a beautiful cloudless day off the Central Florida coast to suddenly find ourselves socked-in with strong winds that gusted so quickly that our starboard rail was nearly in the water. Our yacht righted herself just as quickly, then we started getting pelted by golf-ball sized hail. A few minutes later, it was all over and the sun shone again. Freak weather events are a mystery and something we must expect on the water. There is an inherent risk in boating that we must take into account, as with any water sport. God bless the survivors and their families and help them heal.

[@angelarich8455]

Why I can’t bring myself to even get on a cruise 🚢. I just can’t

[@annmcdonald6180]

​@@angelarich8455me neither, terrified

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

I have experienced the same conditions on Pamlico Sound and lightning bolts and water spouts. A proper yacht can heel with the mast touching the water and beyond and still right herself

[@ertanuca5463]

Imagine about yourself; your partner is having a car accident and being killed in the hospital a day before and you’re going to holiday to another country and anchoring in the kind of open see and you and all of your tycoon friends are being dead at the same room in the sinking boat!! There are a lot of questions in this scenario…

[@odala8245]

It's a rich people's problems most of us know absolutely nothing about. I personally find it annoying that this story received so much coverage. 7 people dead in the sea in the aftermath of severe weather is hardly a newsworthy material. Most of the crew survived but that's due to their experience and familiarity with the safety drills. Put in that situation I wouldn't risk my life trying to save rich man's butts.

[@SuperWeissmuller]

@@odala8245 so a poor man´s butt yes? what kind of human are you?

[@ronalddelo8753]

I think the captain , crew and especially the builder were negligent. The boat obviously took on water quickly, after a blow down. That boat should have been secured, period.

[@delightful640]

That odd 75m mast took it down. Can't believe someone thought that was a great idea.

[@ctwriter1670]

Not ft, meters…! Huge.

[@delightful640]

@@ctwriter1670 ty!

[@JB-ef7ks]

72 meters

[@delightful640]

@@JB-ef7ks ty!

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

@@delightful640 the mast was so huge it had a cross section that allowed someone to walk inside it upright. Think of the windage

[@ElizabethMayo-sf4wg]

Absolutely fascinating. Good job covering this event.

[@maartjegoede9330]

The two deaths are highly sus....... Money and greed are dangerous

[@denisebissellclinicalskint9588]

This reminds me when 2 recent Boeing whistleblowers were both killed before they had a chance to testify…in this case, there must be more factors than just the “perfect storm” of 1.) conveniennt timing, 2.)bad weather, 3.)engineering flaws, and 4.)human blunders…the fact that his legal team went down with him and his co-defendant died by a hit and run in England with in days of each other is what makes the entire situation extremely suspicious and why this needs to be thoroughly investigated to cancel out corruption from another disgruntled corporation.

[@sailingyoumeandjosapea6770]

How did the killer s get a storm to happen 😂😂😂

[@courtneysquill8843]

I've considered a conspiracy theory. But I think it was human error and a storm which no one can predict. Human error because there was a power outage at 3.53am before the boat tilted so water had already entered the boat as the power was fused by the water which occurred before the tilt. I've ruled out a conspiracy theory but if mistakes were made deliberately such as sabotage that would be curious. I don't understand that the passengers starboard got out including the cook although he drowned but port side none got out yet that would be easier to get out of a tilted boat as they were higher and their buoyancy would have lifted them through spiral staircase. Were people port side locked in.

[@mywreckednoah]

A US submarine could have waited until the storm hit, then snag the anchor chain

[@mywreckednoah]

I noticed that since the sinking, the Hewlet Packard have announced they plan to go after the dead tech guys wife for the money !

[@courtneysquill8843]

@@mywreckednoah I really think that is a bit far fetched. Even if the anchor were snagged, had the boat crew been on the alert all they'd need to have done is start engines and head closer into the harbour. The winds were strong enough to cause both yachts in the harbour to drift a considerable way. Did this alleged mysterious submarine shift the other boat too or snag the anchor. I doubt it. There was no submarine. Since their keel was raised, that may have been the intention. If they didn't intend to do this, why wasn't their keel extended to full capacity at 10pm. They knew their were going to be some winds and a squall. This the stability of the vessel was compromised before the winds picked up and that I am afraid is pilot error. It was reported that they were having a party the night before. Pilots cannot drink before within 12 hours of flying a plane. The same rule should apply to boat crew who are working not partying. A one man watch is not enough because weather is mercurial and cannot be harnessed. If they were having a party that would explain sun loungers and cushions being out and the watch deciding to put them away. Where are they stowed. In the garage or in the tender hatch perhaps. We know the boat had taken on water prior to sinking because there was a power outage at 03.53. What had caused that power outage. Ingress of water into the boat much earlier than 03.53 interfering with the electrics and engine. Electrics are internal and supposedly protected but not if a tender hatch or engine room door has been left open. Did the Captain try to start a waterlogged engine or try to turn the vessel which is seen away from the other boat and away from and then abeam the wind. If a large amount of water has accumulated within. Vessel, it wouldn't take much of a gust to tilt a boat with a raised keel. The weight of water would do the rest . It would shift to starboard and capitulate the vessel. These factors caused that vessel to sink: Open hatches and Air con vents. Ingress of water causing a power failure. Failure to deploy keel to full capacity. Failure to observe weather reports, notice lack of other fishing boats out and move boat into harbour. Strong Gusts and a squall. Only one Watch so didn't take earlier safety measures and we don't know if he was awake when storm started as he described coming out of saloon not from bridge. You need two watch to double check hatched secure. Passengers not woken and given life jackets and assembled on deck in the event if an abandon ship event. Failure to deploy 2 liferafts compromising the rescue of anyone else which is why the Cook drowned. No more room in a 12 man raft which was holding 15 and a baby. Failure to put passenger safety first by making them alert. The boat didn't sink in 16 minutes. The boat had drifted prior to that and had taken on water. The keel wasn't deployed and if anyone had been awake during the drift the keek would be the first thing to deploy then the engines would be started and the boat moved closer to harbour. The boat had a power outage after taking on that water and the wind finished it off. Human errors and mother nature not conspiracies. The co defendant was running across a road between two country lanes when a car driven by a middle aged woman approached a blind summit and did not see him. Accident. As bizarre as things seem sometimes odd coincidences do occur.

[@Bigmart56]

Very strange and sad.

[@jnuttso1]

It's almost unthinkable that this could happen to this unsinkable boat when it's already sunk

[@marcuskelly5768]

😅

[@jorgegomez524]

Fishy to say the least

[@7phyton]

😆

[@jdouble2012]

So the Captain DID NOT go down with the ship??

[@SilverAspen1]

Nope😊

[@usmale57]

@@SilverAspen1 Captains don't go down with the ship just for the hell of it.

[@BambinoAmericano]

Outstanding explanations by Jean-Baptiste.

[@izzzzzz6]

There is your answer right there. Compensation! "A 72M mast. The tallest of it's kind in the world"! If the hatches are not battened down and the yacht turns on it's side then guess what!

[@dolphine675]

I thought I read that none of the windows were opening , everything was marine bonded glass , $40 million in a yacht that lives in the Med means air con

[@RayThackeray]

The crew were on deck when the wind hit 20 knots according to tesimony, dealing with all hatch and deck clearence needs. The captain was in the wheelhouse. Obviously nothing could be done or it would have been. An eye witness said the knockdown to sinking took just 2 minutes, horrendous.

[@dolphine675]

@@RayThackeray it's quite possible nature sucked all the water water from one side of the yacht but isn't that less likely than winning the lottery ?

[@dolphine675]

@@RayThackeray do you mean about the water being sucked from one side of the yacht ? A powerful vortex can lift the water, even if the water has air bubbles in it like white water it's ability to support the vessel is dramatically reduced

[@redemption8980]

he was targeted simple

[@geneziogenezio3299]

YOUR ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND AND KARMA KNOWS EVERYBODY'S "ADDRESS"! EVERYTHING WE DO GOOD OR BAD HAS A CONSEQUENCE ALSO, GOD IS WATCHING US 24/7/365!

[@ander172]

By tornado, simple

[@catclelland2447]

Maybe stop calling boats unsinkable. 🙄 Titanic anyone?

[@jeanhawken4482]

Terrible tragedy. Some of the muck raking is disrespectful.

[@nikolaslarson6891]

Starts two reek a bit like the Maxwell story, doesn't it?

[@rosehart341]

Not really. Maxwell was about to go bust after stealing his employees' pensions. Lynch had just been acquitted and was celebrating. Maxwell went quietly over the side, not very publicly sinking along with his family.

[@brunobaressi9919]

​@@rosehart3414

[@ivanbradshaw3322]

@@rosehart341 Maxwell was Mossad. Lynch had ties to intelligence services. I think Nikola is hinting that both were assassinations.

[@xMisterAx]

Totally different situation

[@marynoonan6111]

Yes. And that very day his ol’d DarkTrace buddy dies in a hit and run. If it’s not like Maxwell, it’s very like a scandi Noir novel. But yeah; I agree. The first thing I said to my husband was did this remind him of Maxwell’s demise. He probably pissed off other billionaires at Hewlett-Packard when he finallt won his case. They lawyer who helped him win was on the boat too. RIP to all of them (including the hit-and-run dude) what an awful way to die.

[@fabiobeolchi4776]

Complimenti per la corretta ed equilibrata ricostruzione di questa tragedia. Avete fatto un ottimo lavoro giornalistico, al contrario di molte emittenti italiane e britanniche. Bravi!

[@KandeShack]

Don’t ever, ever get on any boat, yacht, vessel, cruise ship etc…IF IT CLAIMS IT’S UNSINKABLE!!

[@marcuskelly5768]

Best review so far

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

No, by far the best analysis is in Practical Sailor. Take a look.

[@AlexandruAlek]

Remember the big unsinkable ship that hit an iceberg in the past? When will people learn that you can't play with mother nature.

[@antoniom4016]

Co-defendant get hit and killed by a vehicle in England, two days later the yacht go down in Italy. This story is extremely suspicious!

[@petercozzaglio6070]

Not really. As a truck driver, I have seen the effects of a sudden wind sheer coming out of a storm, and they cannot be predicted. And the speed of the wind can easily reach speeds over 100 miles per hour.

[@RayThackeray]

No.

[@Scorpio72350]

The probability (Bayes Theory) is EXTREMELY low of them both getting killed in accidents two days apart. But that does not mean it is suspicious. The woman who hit the co-defendant jogging in her car, stayed by him and called the ambulance. Someone hired as a hit doesn’t stick around to call the ambos and answer police questions…

[@annsheridan12]

No mystery here. With the keel up a 73 degree knockdown was UNRECOVERABLE and a unforecast downburst can be up to 150 mph , enough to knock the yacht down 90+degrees.

[@Ali-Bea]

Are we sure that CCTV is actually Bayesian? I have my doubts. If it is, the footage does not show a knockdown as many have speculated. Instead we see a slow heel/list until the mast lights go out, leaving the masthead light, presumably indicating water has flooded the generators. It may simply have continued to heel/list further until it capsized. The intense wind may have helped. But as for the knockdown theory - you would expect the lights to go out AFTER it not before.

[@annegrrrl]

Exactly this. I’m not sure why this hasn’t been talked about more. Its power was clearly knocked out, suggesting flooding, not that the mast was knocked down. Especially because it sank stern first.

[@DrJuan-ev8lu]

In the more extended versions of that video it seems most of the mast lights go out but the topmost anchor light stays on, presumably run by emergency battery power. Yet the boat is still upright. This suggests that before capsizing and sinking there was rain or seawater entering and shorting out power or submerging generators shutting them down. The required amount of water to accomplish this would also deteriorate both the down flood angle and the stability of this type of hull against a capsize. IMHO the boat builder and designer are finger pointing in the public media early to fend off their own culpability.

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

@@DrJuan-ev8lu Precisely right. It remains to be seen whether the rear 'garage' door was open or not but the divers have not reported that. Car ferries have sunk because the garage was not water tight and downflooded. There are design flaws inherent. The best analysis is on Practical Sailor.

[@RickCarter-o7w]

It appears that the extraordinary wind blew the mast down which caused extreme flooding in watertight compartments due to open doors throughout the vessel. Are watertight doors always closed while at anchor? The simple answer is not necessarily . Would the bridge watch have been able to foresee the storm approaching in time to order the doors closed? Not likely. It was 3am and everyone was in bed. This boat sank within 5 minutes according to eye witnesses.

[@dustyflair]

the pressure of a tornado can blow all hatches that open OUT, OUTWARD.

[@Max-Bliss]

Weather as a weapon is an established fact.

[@Max-Bliss]

8 May 2003 | US 20030085296A1

[@Max-Bliss]

How about creating a tornado using the HAARP station right there in Sicily? Check this patent US 20030085296A1

[@mywreckednoah]

Typically the US will create a weather event, then offer countries help, sending military ships and USAID to help.

[@Max-Bliss]

@@mywreckednoah hiati...?

[@FortunateXpat]

I live in a town near Porticello and witnessed some of the recover efforts. Climate change is drastically affecting Sicily. It’s just getting hotter every summer to the point that crops are dying because of water shortages. The sea temperature is so warm that it’s not enjoyable to swim here now. Another effect of the climate change is that the storms are becoming more severe. The storm on the night of this tragedy was so intense that the furniture and large potted plants on my terrace were blown all over.

[@annmcdonald6180]

that must have been terrifying.....

[@title.crown.title.crown.9156]

[Who changed the climate?]

[@usmale57]

'Climate change' is now the exuse of choice for everything. I actually have extensive knowledge in this field. I am now approaching 70 years of age. The climate around the world most certainly has not changed at any noticeable level durng my entire lifetime. Weather, good or bad has always been a fact of life on this planet.

[@donnasettle2010]

Climate change is a hoax to tax people into oblivion.

[@marciasitonio409]

Nobody says anything about the mysterious death of his co-defendant, the sinking of this super yacht is very suspicious.

[@JoeKyser]

I think they used black magic

[@peggypasson8794]

Yet in order for it to be a conspiracy you would have to order a squall so idk weather definitely was a major factor .no weather warnings on the early video it says the storm came out of nowhere where but ... prayers for all

[@Pippie5555]

No, it is not suspicious. @marciasitonio409

[@xMisterAx]

​@@Pippie5555Exactly

[@glennet9613]

His co-defendent was knocked down by a local woman with an impeccable reputation who reported the accident to the police.

[@jkbzz]

I love how we are just focused on the bayesian and not focused on the owner and what he knew and he didn't know.

[@beths4934]

The owner didn't even know to get to the Deck in a storm. I don't care if the Hour is not to your liking. Fools! Buy boats and don't know Jack about the Sea. Now dead...no surprise to me

[@helenorgarycrevonis2022]

I would hope the police and investigators look at all angles, hope his wife is very careful, hires security and a good investigation team. Big question is who killed both co-defendands? Is HP involved. Yet another very suspisious story. Boeing killing of witnesses...

[@jeannieotb8491]

Why did wife survive DIDNT SHE SLEEP,WITH HUSBAND.

[@juliavolodina-sammut3939]

@@jeannieotb8491 unless she is miraculously lucky and super intuitive to wake up just in the right moment..

[@darensavy5014]

Sad but it’s a lesson for all… DONT screw people over!

[@krystal7836]

I can't imagine having millions, even billions of dollars...and have no concern for my safety. I would absolutely make sure I knew the safety drills and make sure my captain has the reassurance, that they can absolutely wake me/us if there is a serious safety concern.

[@SilverAspen1]

They feel that they are invincible 😢

[@Fluterra]

Nearby yacht had a captain who was prepared. That’s the difference. That Captain had the engine on and was not on anchor.

[@kathrynn4937]

Exactly!! Captain’s responsibility and they are always prepared and informed of the weather conditions.. to leave hatches and doors open is just so off in my opinion

[@CraftingMom64]

He didn't put sliding glass doors at the back of his vessel, either. He is also a great Captain and owner. Tried and true vessel.

[@maggieyoung8090]

@@kathrynn4937 Nothing is known for sure. I don’t believe the hatch was left open at 4:30 in the morning. Someone has said that & people are running with that information. Boatbuilders? 🤔

[@tamangish]

Good Captaincy *

[@RayThackeray]

Utter rubbish. The downburst did not hit the nearby ship as simple as that.

[@DAHFY]

Pride comes before a fall.

[@ohioguy215]

Apparently, they were guilty after all.

[@steve26226]

Think it was hit job used storm as cover up

[@jeannieotb8491]

Especially when we know how good they are now at manipulating weather. lots of recent practise around the world.

[@Pippie5555]

Nonsense, Steve.

[@Max-Bliss]

How about creating a tornado using the HAARP station right there in Sicily? Check this patent US 20030085296A1

[@filoniz]

Or God took him for all sort of reasons.

[@marcuskelly5768]

Otherwise one hell of a lot of Kamma at play here😮

[@Ottimismoperte]

Until the captain knows exactly what prosecutors know, it makes sense to say nothing.

[@Sonnell]

Boxall is full of contradiction. If one knows that a ship has huge windage, and an already low mass keel, then you are not fooling around by not letting it down. The ship was to my knowledge in 50 m deep water, so the 10m deep keel could have been easily let down. Also, he is not correct regarding the weather. Any captain shall prepare for the worst. When a strong storm is coming, you prepare for like a twice as bad. Wind is unpredictable, especially near land. So the captain should have had prepare the boat for a very bad weather, by lowering the keel, closing all hatches, even waking up the guests. Also: unsinkable... this vessel had a lot worse tolerance to leaning to side than most other sailing ships. It was constructed to be a lot more sinkable than most. And any sailor you ask will tell you: there is no unsinkable ship. When a manufacturer tells that to you, run. Remember they said the same thing to the Titanic too???

[@PavelKrupets]

manual states that keel needs to be lowered when sailing or 60nm away from the shore

[@dolphine675]

I am only going by memory of what I have read but the less that hallf the keel is liftable , don't quote me but 300 tons of keel houses the lifting keep which is a further 60 tons , that's a lot of stability , I've not seen a video of her sailing with much heel at all ..

[@PavelKrupets]

@@dolphine675 lowering keel is 40-60t, balast is ~200t whole yacht is 400-500t

[@dolphine675]

@@PavelKrupets big numbers but not quite as big as I remembered

[@PavelKrupets]

@@dolphine675 this yacht is what's called sail assisted vessel, it couldn't really go under sail alone in most conditions. thus very low downflooding angle of about 45 degrees. normal sail boats can tilt that much in normal sailing, or low angles of vanishong stability 70ish with keel up and 90ish with keel down. some racing boats have angle of 180 which means they will right themselves when upside down

[@user-xp3jb6ve9w]

It is tragic and just proves the fragility of human beings chasing the wind to fight to gasp the breath of life. Rich people need a lot to learn.

[@ruthmelicharles5062]

Something about this tragedy seems weirdly planned. It's puzzling to fathom that a freak storm only sank that particular super yatch and not affect the other boats/yatchs in the area. 🤔🤔 RIP to those who perished.

[@brianmetzker5225]

And that is why I ride a Honda XR 650.

[@scotthammond460]

love your reply. Great bike... How does this relate to this tragic boat story?

[@craigdavid6668]

I drive a LandCruiser, wouldn’t feel a thing in an accident with a bike.

[@FortunateXpat]

In Sicily I like my Triumph T120. 😂

[@rray3630]

real proud of you .....where, in your back yard?🙄🙄

[@Wendy-bm3fl]

​@@craigdavid6668And sadly you drive like it wouldn't be your life taken. Simmons3

[@martynas.6649]

The expertise of Jean-Baptiste - wow!!!!!

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

I felt the same. Who the hell is he?

[@HikerBikerMoter]

Boat was subdivided into airtight holds. But as it sank stern first, it suggests the stern-most hold filled with water. The stern most hold was also the engine room and reports already confirmed the engine "hatch" was opened. The next airtight hold immediately beside the engine room (still being investigated) also filled with water. Water in just these two holds was enough to pull the boat under water..

[@nataliemeenakshithegreat7780]

Yes I have a daughter called Annabelle but we call her Anna and to imagine This beautiful young woman alone in her room trapped haunts me

[@GabriellaDeLaRosa-t3d]

He and a a co-defendant died? My spidey senses are tingling. This is no coincidence.

[@biotribe123]

The 75-metre luxury yacht M5, also known as the Mirabella V, is the world’s largest single-masted sailing yacht, with its mast reaching 86 metres

[@veralubbe6484]

The sea and the weather are unpredictable. Planes fall out of the sky,, ships sink no matter the size. It's nature. My opinion.

[@Pippie5555]

Yes.

[@samiirai]

Planes do not fall out of the sky - are you stupid? if anything they glide. Ships don't sink for no reason.

[@HartwoodFurniture]

Beyond my comprehension that all this time has past since this incident and we still have no answers to basic questions. Surely the first thing the divers/robots would do before any search and rescue mission would be to take film footage of all round the vessel.

[@PavelKrupets]

nope, search and rescue comes first

[@daveh8686]

Knowledgable interviewies 👍

[@insAneTunA]

Could it be that the force on the mast from a water spout or tornado, or however you want to call it, ripped the hull from the boat apart? I mean, that is a lot of leverage with so much force on such a big mast. And if the hull was ripped apart it could explain why it sunk so fast and why the compartments might have been rendered useless. I wonder how a ship from that size can sink within two minutes without any major damage to the hull. Because if the hull that forms the different compartments was not damaged the compartments should have been able to do their job. Given the fact that the compartments were closed during the fatal event.

[@StegmannMarco]

Beaufort 6-7 was forecasted. Uncomfortable but not dangerous for a vessel of that size on anchor. There was no requirement to have the keel down, as the stability book required the keel to be lowered 60NM offshore or on sail. The engine room ventilation was at 45 degrees heel (downflooding angle), which means as soon as the boat was listing 45 degrees, you have a 0.34m2 opening that allows 380 gallons per second into the engine room. Too many armchair captains blame the crew for a design fault of a yacht.

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

Absolutely right and a flawed deck design.

[@garneauweld1100]

I say; Keel, full-down, would have saved the vessel and souls on-board. Apparently, the vessel's operation manual authorizes keel up while at anchor. I say use as much keel as conditions allow. They were in deep anchor and had plenty of clearance. Let this be an advisory for all captains of swing keel vessels. I would personally rather anchor deeper for a near complete deployment or full deployment of swing keel. This is only my personal opinion based on my somewhat limited experience but a fairly well developed background of concept and engineering practices.

[@williamrbuchanan4153]

Top heavy with weather to oppose any fixed maximum affect by variable keel weight and surface to total depth . Excess buoyancy aids , flexible and automatic inflation activation by human operation , external attached addition to in built buoyancy. Tilt of Earth axis could be the cause of storm.

[@williamrbuchanan4153]

Raised centre of mass , easy to have full keel extension , tilt is a lever at steep angles , raising centre of mass in the buoyancy factor. Weather is not for guessing.

[@williamrbuchanan4153]

Top heavy with weather to oppose any fixed maximum affect by variable keel weight and surface to total depth . Excess buoyancy aids , flexible and automatic inflation activation by human operation , external attached addition to in built buoyancy. Tilt of Earth axis could be the cause of storm. Land in heat of day attracts the vast cooling of night . -269c sucks the heat of the Sahara that creates a huge differential in flat calm warm sea , wind is by the heat transfer. Storm by charge of hot to cool. Cold desert supplies the affect and storm over contact with the wind . Cool meat hot lifts in a spiral ,up, cold drops to meet the warm sea . Down surge. Med. neck sudden force at Gibaraltar narrow s many vessels affected or beached by water surge. In semi,Tsunami way.

[@aja1071]

Weather manipulation is real.

[@Max-Bliss]

How about creating a tornado using the HAARP station right there in Sicily? Check this patent US 20030085296A1

[@onelounge1706]

Top heavey and models for crew. A monohull will never topple. I sailed on the perenis and they are penthouse apartments and not made for the south so sorry but the truth hurts. On the ocean money means nothing.

[@lollotro]

You must be quite an expert to sink such a boat…

[@BTCxyz369]

I struggle with the fact Oldmate nextdoor had enough time to start his engine take evasive action and maintain ground when the storm hit, Meanwhile the Crew didn't have the experience to deal with a storm in my opinion because they should've been lowering the keel and battening down the hatches. If this means locking the doors like they designed for in such a case then so be it. The Captain and Crew are at fault for not keeping the ship safe

[@ivanbradshaw3322]

The crew were moving furniture etc inside at the time. That’s why they ended up in the water.

[@BTCxyz369]

@@ivanbradshaw3322 exactly the idiot's should've been battening down the hatches and worrying about lifes than a few deck chairs

[@DrJuan-ev8lu]

If we all had perfect foreknowledge of coming events there would never be accidents and we would all be rich in the stock market. The Bayesian had alarmingly low down flood and maximum self righting angles more on par with a motor yacht than a sail boat. Many motor yacht are in jeopardy if caught out in a storm because they blow over and roll comparatively easily. The nearby brig was a proven classic seaworthy design and those have successfully sailed the world over for centuries before we had weather forecasts.

[@BTCxyz369]

@@DrJuan-ev8lu even more reason to lower the keel and batten down the hatches and lock the door

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

@@DrJuan-ev8lu Precisely

[@TheCoolhead27]

Shockingly bad design.

[@jonjon8214]

Nah...Not that bad apart from the stupid `show off `mast.............

[@aemoutet]

Any boat can sink if you leave the portholes open at anchor.

[@PavelKrupets]

they have AC and it is stupid to open portholes and run AC

[@ivanbradshaw3322]

@@PavelKrupets there were no opening portholes on the boat, the ex-captain confirmed this.

[@PavelKrupets]

@@ivanbradshaw3322 yep, just recessed rear cabin and doors which open if boat tilts more than 20 degrees, and engine and hvac vents which floot at tilt of more than 45ish degrees

[@Pippie5555]

@@ivanbradshaw3322 Not true!

[@PavelKrupets]

@@Pippie5555 true

[@CharlesFleury-xd1ls]

Obviously this Boat was badly designed.

[@JustMe-gs9xi]

wow, the boating/yachting community are fascinating to listen to,,,, they want to solve it too. These new yachts they are pumping out,,, The rich people design them,, Sort of,,, and then the boat company buiods it,,, But i didn't know yachts had Sails??? can anyone explain that,, and why a HUGE Mast isn't that dangerous???

[@sesimessi1157]

I work in Majorca and this boat was one of of clients.

[@robertadams9970]

This ship sank because of the negligence of the Captain. The keel should have been fully extended to provide maximum stability and they obviously left hatches unsecure. This Captain is responsible for the loss of life and this ship.

[@interested219]

My worst nightmare 😱

[@Kalus_Saxon]

0:49 how convenient…..

[@merediths2cents]

HP had friends in common with the Clinton’s.

[@lenny108]

It was a flash flood that didn't show up on the weather forecast. The captain is not an idiot. He looked closely at the weather forecast. If something had been announced, he would have taken precautions.

[@roccopower]

That is garbage! There were storms warning for 24h and anyone could have e seen it, even non captains or kids… weather had been bad for 24h

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

@@roccopower A storm warning is not a point of concern in a sheltered anchorage, calm water and with the wind coming off the land if the boat was securely anchored. The design of this gin palace was flawed. Read the report on Practical Sailor

[@roccopower]

@@patrickmatthiesen8538 any storm warning is a point of concern, no matter where you are, as damage can occur also at the berth. Did you really use the term securely anchored? So why doing a STCW course if anchorage can be made secure? Hint: there is no such a thing as a secure anchorage. Storm means potential danger and potential danger means prepare for the worst and hope for the best

[@GlendoveerEngineering]

May I suggest to easily salvage yacht float the top of the mast first with airbags. Then bring the yacht upright with air bags on mast with Hull on seabed. Continuous air bags on hull and mast will bring the vessel to near surface for pumping out water, and the boat can be salvaged easily without millions of pounds spent as the standing rigging can support a knock down. The vessel won't move as it is still at anchor, just watch the winds and current. Recovery will I belive show what many of us engineers and skippers to perceive as perini navi design weaknesses for this and many other sister ships at sea right now.

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

Precisely. Obvious to anyone with serious sailing experience

[@honeybunch5765]

I never want to go on a boat that is "unsinkable."

[@olivia9219-h3h]

Good interview. Although, I am going to respectfully disagree with Simon Boxall regarding the downburst. I have worked as an insurance adjuster for over a decade and have seen what a downburst can do. They can be small and very destructive. But the other boat that was near the Bayesian dragged anchor a distance too.

[@gregnicolle]

Can't believe that boat builder's can still proclaim that their boat, ship ,etc..., is unsinkable. Absolutely, the Oceans take it all, nothing is unsinkable

[@howardcornwell9841]

Perhaps people should stop saying their boat is unsinkable now?🤦

[@marynoonan6111]

It’s hard to believe you’d drown whilst your boat’s anchored at a wharf?! Like, what?!! What are the odds of this happening?

[@mariocandelarezi9288]

Flawless Design. 40-45 degrees of downflooding angle and 77 degrees of Angle of Vanishing Stability. Unusual weather event pushes yacht's limits. Exceeding exceeds 40-45 degrees of heel, water enters through the generator vents, flooding the engine room.

[@RickCarter-o7w]

@@mariocandelarezi9288 If the wind was as strong as reported by eyewitnesses,(40-80knts), the AVS with the keel raised was 77° and the mast was knocked over and open hatches, doors, vents and portholes allowed immediate major flooding, which obviously occurred; the boat has to sink. It's not a mystery or a ridiculous conspiracy theory. It's simple marine mathematics. Negative buoyancy.

[@mariocandelarezi9288]

@@RickCarter-o7w Indeed

[@patrickmatthiesen8538]

@@RickCarter-o7w Bloody awful design. No classic yacht marine architect would allow such a vessel to float

[@doreenchen1024]

Unsinkable...where did we hear that before?😂

[@anthonyxuereb792]

Isn't it time some pictures of the sunken yacht are made public?

[@johnkenneally4662]

Pretty easy that mast was too high and keel was not fully extended for weather. Have sailed myself and it’s simple physics.

[@markdavis8888]

Any nautical architect who udders the word "Unsinkable" should never be trusted.