The BBB method - Using Bleach, Baking Soda & Borax to Maintain Your Swimming Pool

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Here is an overview of the BBB Method of pool care that is promoted widely on the swimming pool forums online.
Here are the three forums:
www.troublefreepool.com
www.poolforum.com
www.poolspaforum.com
I wrote a Blog article detailing Swimming Pool forums which you can read here:
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Basically the BBB method is using Bleach, Baking Soda and Borax to maintain your swimming pool -with Muriatic Acid to lower the pH.
Clorox Bleach:
Basically Clorox bleach is the same as liquid chlorine but a little weaker. Both are Sodium Hypochlorate but in different percentages. I have a video that detail this:
Using Clorox Bleach in Your Swimming Pool: • Using Clorox Bleach in...
Baking Soda:
I know Arm & Hammer is running a popular KZbin video in which they claim you can use it to raise you pH - that is true and also not so true. It is used widely in the pool industry (I buy 50 lb bags) to raise Alkalinity mainly and not used to raise pH. In fact you will need a lot of this to raise the pH which is probably why they want you to use it to raise your pH ;)
So the Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) actually will raise the Alkalinity without raising the pH much at all. It is sold in pool stores as Alkalinity Up - with a huge mark up over a box of Baking Soda.
Borax:
Must of us in the pool industry have been using Soda Ash (Sodium Carbonate) but there has been a push in the last year or so to get us to use Borax (usually sold in liquid form with various product names). It is a very effective way to raise your pH safely. Youy can royally screw up your chemistry if you add too much Soda Ash to your pool. It is much harder to mess up with Borax as the Alkalinity level effects it's potency. If the alkalinity is high (100-120+) you will need to add more Borax to effect the pH. If it is lower than 100 then you will need less Borax.
I go into more detail in my Blog article about the BBB method: poolmandave.blo...
Here is a great website to help with the calculations:
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[@KimmieB.]

This is by far the very best video here on YT for learning and understanding the correct levels you need to maintain as well as how to correct each level if high or low. I’m aware this was posted way back in 2014 which in fact says a lot about how much you know your stuff and even more you know how to explain it all, which has been my problem understanding what products to use to raise or lower certain levels of each when off. Thank you, thank you very much I greatly appreciate it. I will definitely be saving your video for quick reference while I’m learning.

[@lisaheisler8523]

This was one of the BEST, most informative, practical instructional videos on now to manage pool water with economical household chemicals. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SHARE WITH THE REST OF US WHAT YOU KNOW!

[@livingadreamlife1428]

Very informative for me as a new pool owner like me who isn’t interested in paying $100-150 per month for a pool service.

[@MsKnaz100]

I wish it still was $100 -$150 a month.

[@d2cbro]

@@MsKnaz100 yeah 150 a month would be a no brainer these days

[@dariusvilla5680]

I was using all the dedicated pool chemicals and the floating chemical dispenser with tablets every year. It was very costly going to Leslie's. Now that I learn pool chemistry and want to simplify and save money, I said I was going to do the BBB method for this year. I have leftover pool chemicals from last year, namely Cyanuratic acid that I use. The only thing I needed from a specialized pool store in mutaric acid. Very useful in lowering the pH in hose water I put in my Intex blowup pool.

[@toddmodem]

Excellent advice. I'm currently using the BBB method and I'm perfectly balanced. The only deviation is that I'm using a Hayward Chlorinator and chlorine pucks for daily chlorination (8 hours of filtration and low chlorination per night). I don't have a Taylor Kit, but my HTH test strips seem to be pretty accurate. Everything is in the "OK" range.

[@timhitt5934]

Glad to find out about the bbb they sure don't tell you at leslie pool lol

[@zigman3105]

Lol Leslie is the worst. They never have any equipment that I need. I go to great escape

[@dariusvilla5680]

Thats where I bought the muratic acid from. Surprisingly, it costed only $16 to buy a carton with 2 bottles of the muriatic acid. Leslie's does have free pool water tests. But then when the results come up on paper, it gives you suggestions to buy THEIR specific chemicals for your specific pool problem. Leslie's chemicals are often quite expensive. A great strategy to rip off your customers. Go figure.

[@robertwadas]

@@dariusvilla5680 Their suggestions cost me $250, water stayed cloudy and the reading again showed nothing wrong.. they had n clue except to keep selling clarifier.. Scre that.. I do Dollar store bleach and baking powder.. cleanest pool in the entire neighborhood.. so clear, sometime it looks like there is no water !

[@carrollacademy38917]

@@robertwadas What size is your pool? Can you tell me how much chlorox you use and how often?

[@carlosm809]

I review this video every year as a refresher, thank you!

[@duratoke]

I know this method works excellently I used it last season, but forgot exactly how i did it, glad for this video.

[@SPL]

👍

[@reggieclarke2036]

I've been using this method for 3 years. It's a simple concept and you don't have to worry about how tablets will affect CYA and PH but it's very unforgiving and you need to check levels almost everyday. When you have work, kids and a household to run - this method may not be the best choice. I also don't see the cost advantage. I use about 3 bottles of bleach a week, more during summer months so that's roughly $9 per week. I also use liquid conditioner every month to month and a half. Trichlor tablets are cheaper to use, you don't need conditioner and don't have to monitor everyday. I'm by no means any expert in maintaining pools but I do see some fanatical BBB pool owners be over critical of any other method. I just ordered the PoolRx, I'm sure the Houston weather will put it to the test.

[@SPL]

Their sure are BBB fanatics out there and they will frown on you using PoolRx. However, in my testing if the water is balanced the PoolRX does extend the life of the chlorine in the pool - quite a bit. So you will differently see a reduction in your chlorine use.

[@shirtandtieguy6768]

Reggie Clarke what is your feedback on the poolRX when being used with the BBB method?

[@ManyaP64]

Best pool maintenance channel on KZbin!

[@rikilii]

1 suggestion: check your local pool stores and see if they sell liquid chlorine in 2.5 or 5gal carboys. It might be cheaper than store-bought bleach per unit of chlorine, and you won't be sending a lot of plastic bottles to the landfill.

[@kaywright7257]

Walmart now sells a liquid chlorine in the pool section.

[@FireDoug2001]

Added 18 boxes of Borax and 5.5 gallons MA to my pool per the pool calculator today. PH is pretty close May need to fine tune a bit over the next couple of days as water settles into balance. I did it in 3 batches with brushing in between to help stir pool. The Borax was broadcast directly into pool, it dissolves nicely with only minor clouding. Within a couple hours of pump running the pool cleared up and water glistens like never before. The water has a real beautiful clear gleaming look like never before. Time will tell if the other benefits turn out true. Thanks for the videos

[@SPL]

Just did mine today also. I found some at Target - the hardest part is finding enough boxes. I added 12 boxes to my 16,000 pool and 3 1/2 gallons of acid. Poured mine through the skimmer. Set pool to run for 24 hours. Just tested the pH and it is about 7.4 - 7.6 hard to see exactly with florescent light. Maybe 3 gallons of acid would have been enough. Gonna check the Borate levels tomorrow. Shooting for 50 ppm. I filmed it too ;). Started with Alkalinity at 80 and pH at 7.4. If the numbers hold up I think I hit it right on the dot. Sounds like you have a fairly large pool. I think the benefits are true.

[@SPL]

I just posted the video I filmed on adding 20 Mule team Borax to my pool. My pool looks spectacular as you can see from the last 30 seconds of clips. Here is the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYKwgoCted9mn68 How is your pH in your pool - did you get everything back in balance?

[@MsStellina2010]

Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 I'm confused. If Borax increases the PH and MA decrease it WHY are you adding the two together? (BTW I really enjoy all of your great videos, THANKS for your help on this)

[@SPL]

MsStellina2010 This comment is connected to another "secret" of pool care. It is adding Borates to your pool to bring it to 30-50 ppm. So part of the process is to lower the pH back down after adding so many boxes or Borax at one time. This video explains why adding Borate to your pool is a good idea: Adding Borate to your Pool: Sparkling Water & Less Chemical Costs, Benefits of: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3_UdXmrd615jKc

[@adrenalinem4n]

@@SPL really it isn't if the borate you add is boric acid, but if your adding borax itself then yes you must drop the pH back down.

[@robwasnj]

Nice video but I think a lot of people might still get confused. Also, I thought the proper way to do this was first adjust your alkalinity using baking soda, next adjust your pH using soda ash or acid, then and only then add both the borax and muriatic acid in a 2:1 ratio (for example 12 oz of borax to 6 oz of muriatic acid) until your borate level is around 50ppm. Of course you'll also need a borate test kit or strips to check it and get it right. The benefit is in having borates in the water which should inhibit algae growth, and give the water a better feel. Pretty sure there's a product out there that has sodium tetraborate pentahydrate and the necessary acid to make it pH neutral, proteam supreme? I have never used borax to adjust pH.

[@aristotleaquino3067]

This is a great video. Thanks for sharing. Too bad a dumped a bunch of trichlo in my pool to kill algae... now I have to empty part of it to clear out CYA.

[@robertwadas]

Do I read need calcium Chloride.. I use Bleach and Baking powder... pool is beyond clear all summer.. Strip test show everything normal exceept stabilizer, but I keep chlorine at perfect level with my dollar store buy so I see no need for stabilizer.. Have keep pool clear every single day all summer for under $40

[@rme5531]

I added baking soda in my pool and now it has lift/looks fluffy I also throw some static sheets in the pool so my bathing trunks don't stick on my body.

[@SPL]

Nice. Make sure you swim on "delicate cycle." 😜

[@cbaby78]

@@SPL 😂😂😂😂

[@PaulW-db3ks]

I used to use baking soda for raising ph but it raised my alkalinity too much. That’s why I use borax now. Seems to prevent algae also

[@gregoryfaulkner5345]

Nowadays, bleach manufacturers have gone back to 6% strength (they still call it concentrated but it's no longer concentrated). They have left the volume at the lower 116 oz containers, so you're getting less chlorine for your money than the days of 8.25% or the days of full gallon containers. If you choose to use bleach, you can use cheaper store brands such as Great Value or DG, but not use off brands like Sun. Use bleach that puts the concentration level on the label and the date of manufacture. Nowadays, you can often find 10% liquid chlorine in full gallon containers for the same price as 116 oz's at 6%. I've done a cost comparison, and if I buy Kik brand, one-gallon liquid chlorine from Ollies Bargain Outlet for $2.99, it costs me about 24 cents per oz of pure chemical compared to 43 cents buying the cheapest bleach I can find that's also strength verified. If you choose bleach, make sure to get plain, regular bleach; not low splash or scented.

[@mrsseasea]

Best video for back yard pool maintenance ✌🏽

[@AgeofReason]

My pool is currently green due to non use because of a lousy summer so far. Looking for answers because the small stock filter is a joke.

[@iroczo6627]

Pool chlorine is cheaper than Clorox and more power full, everything else, I agree.

[@seewall11]

Great vid thanks........ Really must suck having that crappy view from your pool 5:38. WOW!

[@carmenmartin1820]

Hello and thank you for your video. I am new at this and I need to know how much how much bleach borax and baking soda to open a 5000 gallon pool will I need. Thank you and advance for your help.

[@foodycall5285]

Hi, very informative.. thanks! If I want to use borax to raise the PH and baking soda to raise the alkalinity, can I add them one after the other or I should wait until the next day?

[@SPL]

Should be fine. Maybe wait a couple of hours in between each dose if you are going to pour it in the skimmer. Broadcasting both in the pool at the same time shouldn't be an issue.

[@mephisto-8278]

Great video, to the point, clear to understand, simple. Thanks!

[@wynnyan9659]

Can we be able to swimming in this pool? Or just only for keep the pool clean?

[@MrMoney-no8ry]

Does anyone know if it's safe to mix water, bleach, and baking soda as a cleaning solution? When I mean safe I mean not toxic

[@caseydean5751]

I need to raise ph and ta so I bought the arm and hammer supper washing soda. My ta was at 40 😳 With low ph. My pool is 30,000gallons so how much of the washing soda do I use? Thanks for any help

[@SPL]

Use the poolcalculator.com - it is very good.

[@stitchg6060]

First i want to say thank you for all the information you share. Your channel is the single most informative, user friendly and comprehensive I have seen. I have the frog mineral system installed in my 20,000 in ground pool. Can I still use the BBC method?

[@SPL]

Lissy Guevara Yes. The Frog Mineral System will be your sanitizer and you would use Borax and Baking Soda to control the pH and Alkalinity along with Muriatic Acid when needed to lower the pH

[@stitchg6060]

Ok great! so right now is there something I need to do to prepare my pool to change it to the BBB method?

[@SPL]

Lissy Guevara No. The Frog only is for sanitizing the water. All other factors will be normal which means you will need to keep the pH between 7.4-7.8, Total Alkalinity 80-120 and Conditioner (CYA) at 30-50 ppm.

[@stitchg6060]

Ok thank you. I will watch your video on the BBB method to figure out how to get started

[@sphinxhutc2829]

Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 trychlor cyanauric acid per msds is considered a pesticide so I checked further and it is said to be cyanide I ask my pool company about it I was horrified to find out that that is what it is wth!!! There had to be something less deadly . And science behind this deadly toxin says don't let it get over 20ppm another wth moment. This is insane that they allow this. If you read up on what this can do to the body and the inside of your body this is insane

[@cryptounchained7444]

2021 - Bleach costs more than pool sanitizer, both are hard to find.

[@Pww642]

How do you stabilize the chlorine? My understanding is bleach has no stabilizer to prevent the sun from degrading chlorine.

[@SPL]

You can add Conditioner to the pool with either a powder or liquid form. Leslie's has a new powdered form that you simply add to the skimmer.

[@williammikula3090]

wich chemical is for cyanuric acid?

[@daphnietudor2953]

None of them lol. I dont use that stuff in my pool. Honestly I really didn't see a difference

[@brucestack1658]

You can get cyanuric acid if you want. All it does is binds with the chlorine (bleach) and prevents the sun from burning off the chlorine as fast. Without the cyanuric acid, you will just have to add bleach more often. I have a 5000 gallon pool and use about 1 lb of the cyanuric acid...lasts me the whole season in Alabama.

[@annabellarocque6618]

When putting Borax into the pool to raise the PH should the filter / motor be on or off? and for how long ?

[@LAVAROCK100]

so this method you don't need any chlorine tabs ?? what about in the summer time i take care of pools in hawaii its very hot here just was watching your video and very interested in it because i use a lot of chemicals in the summer here have 40 pools i take care of and if i can do it this way it will save me a lot of money on chemicals...thanks and great video

[@SPL]

It's possible if the pools are not overly large. You would just need to add 1 gallon of liquid chlorine each week to every pool usually without exception. And also leave some liquid chlorine for the customer to add during really hot weeks.

[@LAVAROCK100]

You mean liquid chlorine or clorox because here in hawaii the pool stores only sell dry form chlorine no liquid chlorine....

[@mickb2075]

Thanks for the great video. My calcium is low, how do I bring it up. I have a pebble tec, 10,100 gallon, and my calcium is at 100. We just did a complete drain, about a month ago. What kind of calcium do I add and how do I add it? Thank you, Mick

[@SPL]

Calcium Chloride. Most pool stores carry it.

[@xExclsivEx]

What about shocking your pool to help prevent algae and also to free up your total chlorine levels to make your free chlorine work better for you?

[@terrancweever8399]

I have a 27 foot pool I am just now putting together after I fill it what do I need to do to get started this is my first pool I have a test kit and the wife bought pool care kit for opening and close pool today

[@sondrag2]

thanks it means a lot to us home spa owners from you a pro!!!

[@jeannetteketry7622]

is it cheaper how much would u have to use for a 22,000 pool

[@dave93072]

great video and saves alot of $$$. off topic question and new to pool ownership. I have backwash that's about 50 ft . Do I need all that or can I just trim it to few feet?

[@SPL]

You just need it to reach the area you are dumping it into, 50 ft is a long ways.

[@iggyarctic5711]

Which of the BBB chemicals can I use to remove the algae in my 20,000 gal. in-ground pool?

[@SPL]

Liquid chlorine and a phosphate remover work well together.

[@69mjar]

does the bleach make bathing suits fade more than chlorine? Dumb question I know but wife wanted to know.

[@kathyhansen4849]

Can I use a chemical clarifier/algicide in addition to this method?

[@shandiholland6114]

I purchased a 1,000 gallon Intex pool, filled it up and let it sit for a week before I found this method. Just yesterday I tested the pool (the kit I bought tests pH, Bromine and chlorine) - all levels were at the very lowest point. So, I added 3 cups of bleach, 2 cups of baking soda and 1 cup of borax and I let the filter run overnight (8-10 hours) . Does this seem right? I read so many posts about it and it seemed to be the suggested ratio...I have yet to test the water again though will do so later. Additionally I would like to know the Bromine part of the tester...what am I looking for here? There is no mention of alkalinity on the tester..do I need to buy another one for this? As for the chlorine, I do have a floating tablet dispenser that holds 1" tabs - can I use this if I ever leave for an extended period to make sure the chlorine levels stay up or should I stick strictly to bleach? here is the tester I bought - www.amazon.com/2-Way-Testing-Chlorine-Bromine-SplashTech/dp/B01BVSNL0A/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1470065330&sr=8-2&keywords=ph+chlorine+bromine+tester

[@SPL]

Yes, that kit does not test for Alkalinity. Return it if you can and order one of these kits - 5 way test kit should be fine: www.swimmingpoollearning.com/#!test-kits/c1wjh Ignore the Bromine test - it is for spas only.

[@HelmuthBaum]

Found this video just in time for my pool opening.

[@thebreadreport9841]

Yes. No chlorine tablets available due to fake/scam shortage. BBB will be my new method and less expensive.

[@NubianP6]

@@thebreadreport9841 or the ones that you do find are 5-10 times more expensive than they were just 1-1/2 year ago.

[@rldabomb33]

best video on youtube so save hundreds of dollars👍👍👍

[@FireDoug2001]

Enjoy your videos, you do a very good job with your making them clear and easy to understand. Your efforts are appreciated! Thanks I am going to add Borax to my pool and have read all the TFP forum posts, but still wondering if I should batch pre-mix some of the Borax & Acid in a bucket and and add to pool, or should the Borax get broadcasted into pool or skimmer and acid in front of a return???? Thougts?

[@SPL]

I would just pour the Borax through the skimmer one box at a time slowly. I think that is the quickest way to circulate the Borax. I've poured Baking Soda and Soda Ash into a skimmer and never had an issue. In fact I think you have a greater cance of clogging up your pipes with D.E. than Borax. Then adjust the pH after adding the Borax. I think one guy did it in stages - added 3-4 boxes of borax then acid. Waited a day and added another 3-4 boxes. I think I will have to add Borax to my pool and film it to see what works best. I am thinking that adding 10-12 boxes and adjusting the pH down in one shot is possible if done correctly. Having the pH really high for a short period of time (one or two days) probably won't be an issue. I think the ratio from one source was for every 60 oz of Borax add 30 oz of 31% acid. I wouldn't mix the acid in a bucket just because I don't think it is necessary. Let me know how it goes. You've done your research so you should be fine.

[@kelleyholley672]

+Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 how do you know how much to add of each item my pool's 5500 gallons

[@denisemccaslin9556]

I just filled my pool with water my above ground pool and so do I test it first and then start the BBB method I’m not understanding the BBB method of when to add or how much. It’s a 6,021 gallon pool

[@SPL]

Use this app here for dosage: www.poolcalculator.com/

[@mrzif0013]

Best info/video's out there, thanks.

[@arthur113113]

thanks for the video. Question, If alkalinity and pH both off and need to adjust, which one adjust first? since adjusting alk will change ph, but if alk is not ideal ph also fluctuate.which factor should tune first? TIA

[@SPL]

Adjust ALK down to 80-100 first. Then pH.

[@rodneyparker5313]

I've had a pool and spas for over 20 years. All above and inground and jacuzzis. Never needed anything but some alk increase, ph increase, algaecide, chlorine, test strips, and an occasional water clarifier. Water is clear as a bell and sanitized. Guess I'm just not that anal to deal with water testing kits. I was looking towards this video as a way to save me money on shock. I don't think that that is the case. At the end of the day, on your worst possible day, straight out the tap, your pool water is cleaner and has fewer algae than the ocean or a lake. Everything else is about esthetics.

[@antoniusguan]

Hai, I can’t find chlorox here (in indonesia) but there is another brand name called “bayclin”. But its not pure chlorine. beside 5,5% NaClO, there are some hidrogen peroxide, natrium perborate and natrium percarbonate too.. is that ok for pool? Thank u

[@BakrShabaz]

Thank you for this forum!

[@michaelharrell3508]

So is the BBB method all I use besides muriatic acid, because I heard you mention Trichlor ?

[@jjk2one]

If cyanuric acid never dissipates then why do you need to ever ad more once the levels are in the correct range?

[@SPL]

I wouldn't say it never dissipates but the level can go down with splash out (swimming) backwashing of the filter and when you add fresh water you are diluting the CYA in the pool.

[@tukulitozakayamas2103]

So. Couldn't find soda ash. So am using borax and baking soda to raise both. I put baking soda first to raise the alk first. If after 6 hrs the alk is good. Can i add borax to start raising the ph? Or do i have to wait 24 hrs for each process? We have people coming tomorrow, so we only have 24 hrs to fix both

[@SPL]

You can do it after a few hours if need be.

[@evelyneller9647]

When treating your pool to get rid of algae do you need to clean your pool floats also? I was told to be sure and wash all bathing suits and towels so I wondered about the pool floats and toys.

[@SPL]

I suppose that is logical. Just leave them on the deck for a day or two and any algae will die.

[@wesleydollar-ballard3959]

I am currently getting a pool built and trying to get ahead of the game as far as caring for a pool. So once I add any of these products as needed how long should I wait before testing the water again?

[@SPL]

Typically every 3-4 days.

[@BartNoble]

I know you're a fan of PoolRx. Any changes to the BBB method while using PoolRx besides dropping the chlorine level?

[@SPL]

That is basically it. the RX will make your pool care easy.

[@bucky5063]

Great videos as always

[@caymanrunner7876]

I will be maintaining my own pool starting in August and will be using the BBB method.I'm a bit confused about the Cyanuric acid. Do I use this with the BBB method too? Also, do I use chlorine tablets regularly in the pool if I'm using bleach to maintain the pool?

[@SPL]

Cayman Runner You want your CYA at 30-50 ppm and you won't need tablets if you use the BBB method. Goto the Troublefreepool forum for more specific answers.

[@caymanrunner7876]

Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 Do you have a favorite brand of cyanuric acid that you use?

[@SPL]

Cayman Runner I like Natural Chemistry Instant pool conditioner. A bit pricey vs the granular but 100% safe and 100% effective. Instant Pool Conditioner: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIOvnpVtfp2XbpI

[@caymanrunner7876]

Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 When I use the Natural Chemistry brand conditioner, do I test the cyanuric level with my Taylor 2006 kit or do I have to use a different test kit?

[@SPL]

Cayman Runner No, you can use the Taylor kit. Instant Pool conditioner is Cyanuric Acid in the elemental form so it is excactly like the granular stuff except refined into a liquid. Pretty cool.

[@acolon1979]

My pool is 10,000 gallons C 3.0 Ph 7.2 Alkalinity 130 CH 400 CYA 60 how do i go about balancing the pool the right way

[@SPL]

Use the poolcalculator.com app. Very easy.

[@kimrine2002]

A lot of good information on your video. had the water tested at the store, was told that the calcium was way too high, so was told to drain 20 percent out of the pool., So did so, filled up and then shock water. Now the Cyanuric acid is at 110. How does that happen? told to drain again????? Please help?

[@SPL]

Wondering if you have a kit at home to check the readings yourself. I suggest a Taylor 2006 test kit. Sometimes the readings at the pool store can be off. Sample water should be tested right away - as it sits the numbers are not accurate. So by the time you took the water out and drove to the store the water chemistry could be off. Testing the water right away at the pool side is best.

[@kimrine2002]

We do have a test kit, I think that it is the basic kit. will check

[@jimmybritton1028]

What should my numbers be on a 7600 gal pool? How often do you have to bleach your pool? weekly? daily?

[@MrGixxerred]

Go here. www.troublefreepool.com/forum.php All of the information you need is there.

[@NicoleGizzy79]

Y'ALL CAN SOMEONE HELP I NEED TO VACUUM AFTER PUTTING FLOC ON MY SAND PUMP I ONLY HAVE FILTER,BACKWASH,RINSE,WINTER. I HAVE THE LITTLE BASKET ON THE SIDE OF MY SAND PUMP CAN I VACUUM ON BACKWASH WITH THE BACKWASH HOLE OPEN PLEASE HELP THANK YOU

[@dave93072]

Can I use this method in a saltwater pool? having issues with green algae after it rains. Shock the pool and its fine til next rain or storm that blows tons of leaves in the pool.

[@seanalexander5513]

Use phosfree to remove food that feeds algea

[@sheilasmith3545]

Trying to use this method on a 13, 500 gallon above ground pool but the chlorine is high and the ph and alkalinity is very low. How do i get it to stabilize?

[@SPL]

Add a product called Soda Ash to raise the pH and Alkalinity. Don't worry about the high chlorine too much unless it is over 10 ppm. It should go down on its own as long as you don't add more chlorine .

[@sheilasmith3545]

@@SPL Thank you! I appreciate your help.

[@leanafoss8887]

I don't understand Ph measures acidity and alkalinity so if your Ph is high it is alkaline and if it is low it is acidic so why would you need both borax and baking soda?

[@SPL]

Borax raises primarily the pH. Sometimes the Alkalinity is fine and the pH is low so you would use Borax. When the Alkalinity is low Baking Soda is the most effective way to raise TA although it will also raise the pH up -but not nearly as much as Borax will.

[@DaveBaldwin1]

pH measures the acidity/alkaline levels. You can't adjust one without affecting the other. That's like saying I want to make it hot without increasing the temperature.

[@leanafoss8887]

Dave B ok again, you state the baking soda raises the Alkalinity and the borax raises the pH right? meaning BOTH raise alkalinity because a higher ph is a more alkaline pH so affinity my question is if both raise the alkalinity and therefore the pH why do you need both baking soda and borax?

[@DaveBaldwin1]

Leana Foss Leana, not exactly sure. Not much of a pool guy. I have read that borax does help inhibit algae growth, possibly the reason? The point of my reply is because I've heard so many people talking about raising the alkaline level without raising the pH which makes no sense considering that pH is an indicator on how acidic/alkolotic something is.

[@wyattsmommy27]

I bought all of these things but I'm confused. My pool is 8ft by 30 inches. Chlorine level is 2.0 which is in the ideal range. Ph is below 6.8 but alkalinity is 240. What do I do? Please help!

[@SPL]

Are you sure about that Alkalinity reading? Pretty high for sure. Raise the pH up right away with some Borax. 6.8 is too low and will cause skin itching.

[@wyattsmommy27]

Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 I used the 5 way test kit and it took 24 drops to change colors

[@donpowers5384]

I added 3 boxes of borax Mule to my saltwater pool but it has made it very cloudy, can someone tell me how to correct this.. The PH is at a good level and Chlorine also looks good but what can I do to correct this issue... Should I add Clorax and Baking soda and how much... 20,000 gal pool

[@SPL]

It will clear as the pool circulates.

[@sunflowerscent1]

For newly filled above ground pool, in what order do I put in BBB and can I put them in one right after the other? I will be putting in Natural Chemistry Instant Conditioner, Bleach, Baking Soda, and Borax.

[@SPL]

I think I answered on FB. But yes, add the conditioner and chlorine and then test the pH and Alkalinity. Adjust if needed.

[@sunflowerscent1]

Yes you did. Thank you!

[@melissapaske8825]

I tested my salt water 8500 gallon pool , everything is balanced Except for the chlorine , could this be because the pool is too cold ? We haven't hit our hot weather yet?

[@SPL]

It produces more slowly in cold water - check to make sure the output is turned up sufficiently. In the meantime you can add some bleach until the cell starts producing.

[@melissapaske8825]

Great ,Thanks Could you tell me how much i should add:-)

[@johnnesbitt7388]

when "turning Up" the chlorinator, what actually happens to pucks to dissolve faster?

[@bratzluvr1]

How would I test salt level? I recently competed a test strip......this is the results........fc 0/0. PH - 7.5. TA-40. TH-800. CYA 30-50. Okay it's a. 16 round by 48inch deep. I think? 5,500 gal or so? It's a salt water pool, however we bought an sand filter this year due to the amount of filters we go through! Q. Can I use the bbb treatment on a salt water pool? Or just BB with out the bleach? Thank you for your. Videos!

[@SPL]

Best way to test the salt level is with a digital tester like this one: www.amazon.com/eSeasongear-SALT-3050-Water-resistant-Water-Meter/dp/B01BXDTSXW?ie=UTF8&creativeASIN=B01BXDTSXW&linkCode=w00&linkId=NANJXXJNPG2TQEYN&ref_=as_sl_pc_tf_til&tag=swimmingpooll-20 You would just replace the bleach in the BBB with your SWG

[@mrzif0013]

GREAT GO TO INFORMATION, I GO TO IT OFTEN!

[@judyskountrykakery]

Hello ...OK I retested and my CYA is 100...My alkalinity is 240, my ph is 7.5....Chlorine is barely registering at .5. Will I be doing correctly to add about 92 ounces of muratic acid to lower my alkalinity by 1/2? i just added 37 ounces of 6% bleach for chlorine will retest in a few...I just need to make sure I am doing right with the muratic acid. thank you so much.

[@SPL]

Judy R. This website is helpful in calulating chem dosage: poolcalculator.com/

[@judyskountrykakery]

Yeah I tried to use it but the format is so hard to understand! Thanks though

[@damsonrhee7793]

what kind of testing kit would you suggest for a small above ground pool around 2000 gallons? Would you also suggest a BBB method to maintain this type of pool?

[@SPL]

Yes the BBB method. A simple 5 in 1 test kit will suffice for you: www.amazon.com/Poolmaster-22260-Basic-5-Way-Test/dp/B00107039U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405281201&sr=8-1&keywords=poolmaster+5+way+test+kit

[@damsonrhee7793]

Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 thanks for the help

[@40kgnorg33]

How much bleach do I use if I don't want to shock it just get it clear n clean. We just had some rain so the water is cloudy and starting to form green on the bottom but again just starting to? I have a 3500 gallon Walmart above ground pool

[@SPL]

For some reason the response did not go through- 2 gallons of bleach

[@eddiebarrera5690]

They call it chlorine lock but this is what is happening to my pool 35000 gall my alkalinity is high at 240 Ph 7.2 but reading 0 on chlorine and I add 4 tablets every day and my level on chlorine will not come up I've also added meratic acid please advise on what to do. I've shock the pool twice already and still nothing it is also cloudy

[@SPL]

Is it possible to drain all of the water out of your pool?

[@eddiebarrera5690]

Do I have to drain it all or just a good portion

[@moremusic1103]

How do you lower alkalinity with your BBB method Mine is 180ppm. Just did green to clean and shocked it. Pool guy flaked on me so I'm trying to learn how to get my pool to where I just do maintenance. Which is going to be another thing that I will have to learn.

[@SPL]

Add Muriatic Acid every 3 hours, put a submersible pump on the first step with water shooting into the pool to create turbulence. This will create Aeration which raises the pH but not the Alkalinity. The Trouble Free Pool Forum explains this in detail.

[@moremusic1103]

@@SPL Thank you!

[@ryannbates5469]

is the BBB approach safe for saltwater pools? are there any adjustments that need to be made just for the simple fact it is a saltwater pool?

[@SPL]

Yes, instead of the Bleach it will be the salt water generator making the chlorine. The best method for pool care. 👍

[@mvm3897]

So I raised myPH with the Borax and the Alkalinity with the baking soda, now I have bubbles forming. I added the Borax and baking soda 2 days ago. Is this normal. Kind of looks like a mild bubble bath lol

[@josephzajdler]

too many ads and tracking, find another link

[@judyskountrykakery]

I have a question. I just filled up my new swimming pool today and tested the pool. I had to add Clorox bleach to raise the lvls 2 points and I need to add muriatic acid tomorrow to lower my Alkalinity but, my CYA in a fresh pool is 240 and draining and adding fresh water isn't going to do any good since the water is fresh from the tap to begin with. What do I do? I am sorta confused. Please help me out...thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.

[@SPL]

Judy R. How did you test your CYA level? It is probably in error for sure.

[@judyskountrykakery]

I tested it with a strip! It's all I had. Going to buy a better tester tomorrow. Praying it's wrong but wouldn't doubt it being correct cuz no one here drinks this water lol! BTW you are so AWESOME foe answering me so quickly! Thanks I will retest with better tester tomorrow.

[@RyanJohnsonD]

Did you say add Cyanuric acid or Muriatic acid?

[@paccbutler1826]

This is my 1st swimming pool. If I understand you correctly, I need Muriatic acid to bring the ph down. But I am not quite understanding the purpose of cyanuric acid? Do I need to buy both types of acids, or are you saying to use one or another? Thank you for your expertise

[@SPL]

Cyanuric Acid is an acid, but it is primarily used to protect the Chlorine from the Sun's UV rays. You would only add it once at the beginning of the season if needed. Your CYA level should be between 30-80 ppm. So test your CYA and see what level it is at. If it is below 30 ppm you will need to add some. Confusing, I know. Cyanuric Acid is better known as Conditioner or Stabilizer to lessen confusion.

[@paccbutler1826]

@@SPL I really appreciate you. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to share knowledge with a stranger. Have a great weekend, month, year

[@vincentpadalino8003]

Great video easy to understand

[@markvaio5201]

I see in your other video about borates it says to keep it at 30-50 ppm. If I only want to raise my pH a bit can I just add as necessary and not worry about meeting that 30-50 level?

[@SPL]

Yes. It is great for raising the pH up. No need to get it to 30 ppm if that is what you are using it for.

[@ivanbaires5727]

Hey bud what about calcium hardness

[@wesleywood6306]

Best info out there!! Thank you

[@rikholliday8899]

Very nice Job. I hope I can figure a way to reduce my cost versus purchasing from our local over priced pool supply company's. I just returned from Leslie's pools today and they sold me a ton of expensive products. So much so that I located your educational video. I was sold a bunch of Alkalinity up (Baking Soda?), Instant Pool Water Conditioner to raise the Cyanuric Acid Level , and a Summers worth of PHOSFree. I have a salt water system in Dallas Texas. What do you suggest to raise the Cyanuric level (I'm unclear if you mentioned Borax) and what can be used in place of PHOSFree (Reduce phosphate levels)?

[@SPL]

Sounds like you were dealing with a good salesperson over at Leslie's. If you post your reading here I can make some suggestions. Most of the stuff you purchased can probably be returned I think. Also how many gallons is your pool?

[@rikholliday8899]

20k

[@SPL]

What are some of the reading from the pool store?

[@rikholliday8899]

Let me clarify. I take my water into the local Leslie's store and have it tested. The results are printed out in a Water Analysis Report. If adjustments are required, the report reflects how much of a product is required along with the procedure. I.e Add to deep and of pool and wait 24 hours until next step...and so on. The salesman grabs the product from the proper shelves and gladly accepts payment. Cyanuric Acid -10 Total Alkalinity-60 pH-8 Phosphates-300 Thanks for your responses thus far.

[@SPL]

You do need to add some conditioner. I would say one gallon of the Instant Pool Conditioner would be enough for your size pool, maybe 2 gallons at the most. Your ALK is a little low. I suggest a 10 lb bag of Baking Soda from Costco. I started out working in a pool store so I have nothing at all against them. But if you want to save money get a test kit yourself and start using the BBB Method. As far a s Phosphates - I question the need for an remover unless your pool is having water quality and clarity problems. Depending on the price of bleach in your area, sometimes it is cheaper to get a case of liquid chlorine from your local pool store. Most Leslie's don't stock liquid chlorine. But your regular Mom & Pop pool store should stock liquid chlorine and Muriatic Acid. Getting both by the case (4 gallons) is cheaper.

[@WICKEDCROWNLLC]

Do I need to add CYA as a conditioner with the BBB method? I am using borax as you directed in another video but I have not heard you mention how to handle CYA / conditioner or if it is needed. Thanks

[@SPL]

***** Yes. 30-50 ppm. You can join the Troublefreepool.com forum for more help with the BBB Method and they will be happy your questions. Without it the chlorine will burn off in a matter of hours.

[@WICKEDCROWNLLC]

Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 Thanks for your help!

[@WICKEDCROWNLLC]

Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 Sorry, one more thing on the CYA, any product or type in particular that you would recommend? Thanks!

[@davidhazen2394]

Can I pay anyone on this site willing to help me lean how to properly use the poolcaculator. I am new and I am using the bbb method to treat my pool. I am also experimenting the solar copper release product to help reduce the amount sodium hypochlorite . I am trying to learn how to get the right balance for my method of treating the pool

[@goodgirl664]

What is done if chlorine is too high but everything else is in range?

[@SPL]

Just wait a bit for the levels to drop down - maybe a week. It won't hurt anything.

[@carenc6713]

I have an above ground pool with a soft liner. Should I use muriatic acid on this type of pool?

[@SPL]

Yes, it is perfectly safe for a liner pool.

[@ArturoGonzalez-yj8pg]

Hi I have a 8,000 gallon pool can you tell me how much of the bbb to use clorox and baking soda and borax thanks

[@SPL]

Arturo Gonzalez This is the best way to calculate the correct amount: poolcalculator.com/

[@MrRobot_242]

Thanks for the info

[@MelissaEli100]

Do You have a good resource for maintaining a larger kiddie pool to avoid having to drain it too often

[@SPL]

How big is it? In gallons.

[@cece5889]

Do you have a video for how to start on day one after the first fill?

[@SPL]

Not exactly but you can refer to this document for detailed instructions: drive.google.com/file/d/1p-VgvgoSWDZS4iar2ctYvSXsvo4ZmomE/view?usp=sharing

[@v1per17]

Thanks for the advice.

[@gunslingr45]

Does the bleach not add chlorine and kill algae? Do you really need the acid?

[@SPL]

Acid is used to lower the pH and a lower pH (7.2-7.6) makes the chlorine more effective. A high pH (7.8-8.2) slows down the chlorine kill speed.