The Beats That Producers HATED (Secretly)

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[@mood1676]

I just got really sad because I realized the greatest beat of all time was probably deleted forever by some producer who just wasn’t feeling it at the time.

[@drumpower8510]

Oh, absolutely. That's life though.

[@TURBOMIKEIFY]

The 3 old friends of mine and my cousin saved all of their old beats, and some absolutely horribly mixed songs. My cousin has a song from a group of people he rapped with in high school (2013 maybe) he had a song called “Victorious.” I tell him it’s still one of my favorite songs by the group. He won’t let me listen to it again, and I’m salty. I have memories to that song.

[@Aryzo]

worse probably: its floating around unseen on some digital platform with the creator waiting for his come up slowly getting old lmfao

[@n7rthh]

almost what happened to shook ones pt 2

[@SupremelyBX]

You got really sad, really? 🧢🧢🧢

[@broezybeats]

It's crazy sometimes that the beats producers don't like are the one's that artists end up jumping on. At the end of the day all beats matter whether🔥 or 💩

[@NavieD]

Great mentality to have!

[@scarzwr]

I agree!

[@jobach]

Some trash beats don't matter tho

[@stabaholic187]

Haha so true

[@iloveretromirzie7230]

@@jobachyou wouldn’t know wat was trash if true garbage didn’t exist 😂

[@williamwilkinson4756]

The way Kanye chopped that sample for Gold digger made it what it is today. If he had chopped it like most producers it would have never been anything.

[@az11-o3fnever]

What do you mean by “most producers?”

[@benkendall5562]

That self-conscious reaction to simplicity is real. I started making beats with a songwriting perspective as before I wrote rock songs, once I ditched that mentality and stripped down the musicality of my beats, they instantly got way better. Less is more! 🙏

[@flpgus]

I think the problem with complex beats is that we struggle to find the places we should lay our voices on, whereas if you start simple and then make it complex with time but AFTER the vocals have been laid, then there probably would be no such struggle

[@flpgus]

What I meant to say is that complex beats have their space, it's just that for us to sit better with it, we have to start simple and build it over time, you know?

[@DBL304]

I feel that, I started off in rock and struggled to get away from the songwriting/complexity issue. Working on an R&B project now and it’s been a struggle keep it in mind.

[@swagmund_freud6669]

That's why I been so into the acoustic guitar the last few years. No twiddling with knobs. No picking sounds. It only sounds as good as my playing. It's just pure notes.

[@DBL304]

@@swagmund_freud6669 that's such a good mentality, I write my progressions and leads on acoustic cause I've found if it doesn't sound good unplugged then it won't sound good plugged in

[@PALIO770]

I also think Havoc didn't like the "Shook Ones" beat, which is crazy right? That beat is something else! You should check that out and make a part 2

[@jaybmoney438]

He was about to delete it until prodigy stopped him

[@VictorKnox-pe7yf]

Cuz prodigy cooked his ass

[@stabaholic187]

Definitely worth talking about , thats interesting asf

[@AusarisTV]

Another note, Keybeats who were a production duo who were working under Timbaland, they made “Rock The Boat” by Aaliyah, they were about to delete that as well and she stopped them too.

[@bonesmcgee1568]

Shook one's PT 1?

[@ronson795]

Man, born in 79 growing up with Cypress Hill, Wu Tang, Snoop Dogg, Funkdoobiest, Lords of the Underground and House of Pain (to name a few) I love your detailed "how they produced it" videos from this era. Please keep em coming.

[@yaboykev536]

This is so true. About 20 years ago (During the height of Lil Jon) I made a beat as tongue-in-cheek parody of his, because I hated how simplistic all his melodies were. It only took me about 10 minutes and I was literally laughing the whole time. I even named it PARODY. So a few days later I'm playing my latest beats for my brother, cousin and their friend who all rapped. I tell them I made this parody beat of Lil Jon and play it for them expected us all to get a good chuckle, they go silent and start head nodding furiously like "Yo, that one cold!". They loved it, and I was flabbergasted, lol!

[@SNEED_FEED]

Be honest - are you white? It's irrelevant, but I'm interested

[@yaboykev536]

@@SNEED_FEED Nope. Black enough to leave finger prints on charcoal bruh

[@SNEED_FEED]

@yaboykev536 thanks for your timely response

[@jasonk333]

@@yaboykev536😂😂😂😂

[@BigZencreates]

20 years ago you were Lil John's height?

[@ThreadStoppa]

Bruh, that Alchemist beat was life at one point. But I can imagine what it would've been if he felt it was "complete"

[@Thespeedrap]

Alchemist beats are very tight and suspenseful I love Snoop give you light and Jadakiss we gonna make it.

[@xgskrillax]

the thing is, that i've had to learn over the years.. is simplicity works really well for the artist. it gives them lots of room to put their own flavor and creativity into it. to us producers it seems like it isn't enough or is just too basic, but that is exactly what a great artist needs sometimes. it gives them room to do their magic.

[@GoofyBeats]

This is the exact reason I never use samples. It's too easy to make fire beats with samples, so I just play everything I use. Guess I should start using samples? 😅 (Nope) Also, they should have added Laffy Taffy to this list. As a producer, I always hated how easy that beat was, and how big the song got from that simple note sequence. Less is more apparently. 👍🏽

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@GoofyBeats I'd say that southern style flow I think straight carries like Nelly. That flow is fire even acapella.

[@krs-fltutorials4487]

How do you recreate all these tracks? Just by ear? How do you find the exact sounds? It's impressive!

[@NavieD]

Just by ear. Modern music ripping software makes this much easier

[@nekcric]

@@NavieD Stem separation tools are game changer indeed.

[@nicolasmartin3609]

A big thank you for this video! I just started making beats a couple of days ago and unfortunately, I have very high standards, thanks for giving us a new perspective!

[@NavieD]

I was the same when I started. The path to making beats that are 'acceptable' will be longer for you, but your music will be better because of it

[@prodbydramatic]

@@NavieD I agree but if you can kill that expectation ASAP. And learn to say ok thats enough and remember vocals will fill the beat out

[@SJ-su1ki]

That deep cover one was really unexpected cuz that shit knocks so hard

[@chrisissick3147]

Im shocked at Memory Lane being on here. That's my favorite beat on Illmatic.

[@NavieD]

Yeah I was really surprised at that one too

[@Sporkonafork1]

Halftime for me, the sample flip is just too insane and drums too tight.

[@e.m.a.m]

I remember watching that Alchemist DEHH interview YEARS ago and that particular segment stuck with me. As soon as I saw the title and thumbnail I knew you had it here 😂 brilliant video idea

[@bk2524]

I dont make beats but watching your videos make me feel like i could actually learn. Pretty awesom

[@icystorm9]

These videos make me wish I could!! I might try to learn with Navie's help.

[@ryanhansen1296]

Damn, gating the kicks/snare in the sample so you can add your own is something ive needed to hear. Ill be trying that on my next sample

[@Beatsbasteln]

I know this moment too well, where I just hate a beat I'm making while everyone else is enjoying it more than the ones that I love

[@fentanyljones6956]

I’m guessing the Alchemist beat was the Kool G Joint off Murda Muzik. He said that shit was supposed to be an album intro. You could do a whole episode on Havoc, it seems like there’s a direct inverse relationship between his liking of his beats and the public reception of the end song.

[@Violent_Ed_1317]

If Nas told me he liked a beat I would immediately throw it in the trash

[@n-spired]

😂 others had to do so when he did. Could had saved some of his songs.

[@NavieD]

Hahah harsh!

[@apexone5502]

That's hilarious. 😂

[@rlwelch]

Hahaha actually though

[@desheutz]

😂😂😂😂

[@190_beatz]

I can't imagine Illmatic without Memory Lane, it links the album together

[@jjbing3]

I think One Love is very similar. The sequencing of the album helps make it the number 1 rap album of all times

[@ryanlaslow4796]

Man, I read a book about Illmatic and I think Premier and Large Pro switched beats at the last minute, so maybe that could be why, but I agree Illmatic wouldn't be the same without Memory Lane. And One Love and Life's a Bitch were chill songs, but I'm not going to argue with Dj Premeir

[@BryantBrothers-gm1qx]

Yeah man that beat us EVERYTHING!!!

[@daniel-andybecu2804]

Honestly, you should make videos just showing how famous beats were made, these really give insight in how those legendary producers work and which rythms/sounds they use.

[@951258tike22]

I've always thought Deep Cover was one of the greatest beats in the genre, very surprising to learn Dr Dre didn't like it!!

[@TURBOMIKEIFY]

GTA Online got me into listening to Dr. Dre very recently. No lie, the entire Dr. Dre missions(heists?) were all amazing to me! Best “story” I’ve seen. And hearing Dre, Rick Ross and Anderson .Paak on “The Scenic Route,” and I love it when .Paak sings on the chorus. His voice blends so well with the chorus section of the beat! I heard it for the first time on mushrooms and I put that song on repeat the entire trip.

[@dubbleup20ify]

Too easy for him

[@iUnder5tand]

your content is flames my guy

[@Yoda35421]

Memory Lane is a great example of give and take between producer and artist. And how Nas does have good taste in beats, wanted to use the Juicy sample before Biggie did and premier said no. When Nas performs memory lane live you can tell he loves that shit

[@doodiemac100]

Ofc. Its his most lyrical and possibly his greatest song

[@fpsgenerator]

Deep cover is a banger and im shocked to hear Dre hated it

[@Thespeedrap]

Really that's crazy given that 1991 felt like it could happen again.

[@stevesamplingmusic]

great video, had no idea Primo hated Memory lane, one of my favs off of Illmatic, But it's worth to add how Dre's Deep cover gave birth to Big Pun and Fat joes Twins, a far superior song in my opinion. Btw , great job with the recreations :)

[@JaKuBThaBeatmaker]

Great vid and I like how you shift the direction of your content. Interesting fact, Big Pun & Fat Joe also used Dre's beat for Twinz. Talk about trash to treasure.

[@NavieD]

Yeah I am glad people are enjoying the new format for my videos

[@jjbing3]

This was a great video. I have to be reminded often by friends and artists that only other producers care how you made the beat. You can loop something with no drums added and if the rapper likes it, it’s a go. You can also chop a sample to a 1000 piece puzzle and nobody will care. 🤦🏾‍♂️. Just make a tight beat and move on. Ohh and you “from scratch” producers who don’t sample, people don’t care if you played a vi-ii-iii-v-I chord progression with a synth that you designed from a sine wave layered with a wavetable oscillator 😑. At the end of the day, just make something you like 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@pendiesel1825]

Love these videos, you definitely inspired me to dust off my cobwebs and get back into it… My beats been getting better since 🎯💪🏾

[@NavieD]

Glad to hear it my friend!

[@g.o.9513]

Happy for you. 🎉

[@mddsddsdshs6397]

If Dre didn’t like deep cover than maybe I am too self critical. That was my favourite song for ages

[@ns3429]

Deep cover is one of the best beats of all times, at least to me

[@MSOTV-ug4ln]

lol nah

[@predatorx8081]

Great vid as always 🤜🏾

[@NavieD]

Glad you liked it boss!

[@DBZdude95]

Love the vids Nav keep em coming. Always loved your work as a producer 🙌🏾

[@eazy-cheez-e8033]

See that’s how u make old school beats. The way u recreated the beats. Sounds legit and that’s what I respect. As Most of the drums, bass etc were samples. Idk but for me I dislike when producers on the internet say “how to make a 90s style beat” but they using trap style drum packs instead of samples.

[@twcyangon119]

I was wondering why most of my earlier beats sounded like early 90s production…it’s mainly cause if I couldn’t get a sound I’d sample it on a phone speaker 😂…still do actually

[@eazy-cheez-e8033]

@@twcyangon119 that’s dope bro. Do u have any beats online? Could I hear.. 😊

[@wojciechsawicki4733]

that's probably because rappers look for different things than producers, it's easier to get a placement with an 8 bar loop copied and pasted than with a 3 section beat. And that's because it's easier to flow over a beat that doesn't change that much as well as when you make more sections or put more sounds it's more likely that some of them the rapper won't like

[@bungle3912]

I LOVE Deep Cover. I loved it when it first came out and still do today.

[@Phosphor_Sco]

Even worse when you're the mixing and mastering engineer, the artist and the producer. Straight up can't even listen to my own songs for weeks😅

[@NavieD]

Hahah jeez, I could imagine. The nitpicking is probably never-ending

[@Phosphor_Sco]

@NavieD Genuinely is. When I feel like each part is near completion or if I'm adding stuff just to hear something different, then I take a break. Once they're finished, definitely need a good break.

[@shawninverted8551]

@@Phosphor_Sco good lord do I feel that. Whenever my projects go live I make my social media posts about them, tag whoeever the feature is if it's a collab and then other than sharing it again every once in a while don't go near it for a good week or two so my brain can go back to liking it. I typically do like my songs, I just always need the break to appreciate what I've made

[@Phosphor_Sco]

@shawninverted8551 Honestly, you hit the nail bang on the head there. Exactly how it goes!

[@LibertyMediaArts]

Literally the intro to dr dre, a simple chill melody, most hit songs start out simple and ramp up, the outro fades back to that simple loop. It doesn't take a master class to go listen to every gold and platinum song and hear how simple it is. The complexity comes in the climax. Thats what people like to hear.

[@xaviermurdock-montgomery1852]

This vid is the only reason I knew to update my Serato to 2.0, that stem separator is so useful

[@1andonlydasilent1]

Bruh that Alchemist beat is one of my DAMN faves EVER!

[@eddieluna]

thankful for all your videos 🙏

[@NavieD]

Thankful for your lovely comment 🙏

[@xplsv13]

What's crazy to me is the fact that so many infamous beats are just samples puzzled together instead of original melody's and drums

[@matapichones]

I'm new to your content. On this alone, I'm watching all your content for sure: Thank you for including clips of the hypothetical options that producers avoided! When didactic videos of any kind just throw out hypothetical things to avoid without proof of it, they're asking way too much of an intended audience of novices.

[@keejay12]

Funny thing is... I used to HATE that Realest beat by Alchemist too lol. I got older and I appreciated the simplicity of it because it gave a lot of space to them especially Kool G Rap to spit a first verse

[@dstu1699]

I'm glad you came around to realizing that the fireness of this beat. Cuz you and Al were buggin out not liking that beat! Not gonna lie. 😄 Always said that Kool G spit one of his illest versus, if not the ill is verse when it came to just straight raw spittin on that beat.

[@keejay12]

@@dstu1699 yeah that beat is for lyricists only. Mumble rappers would die on that beat lol

[@dstu1699]

@@keejay12 as they should.😂

[@elijahmcelroy]

I really thought I was alone. 20 years producing, this is news to me

[@electricw3irdo]

That alch beat was crazy . And it had Kool G rap!!!! Wow he didn’t like that? Crazy

[@NavieD]

Kool G Rap's verse is sooooooo damn good

[@p4rt_t1me_g0d]

I had no idea that this was common!!!

[@NavieD]

Even the legends feel this way

[@Spanishdog17]

Your videos are great! Here’s something I’ve always wondered about Deep Cover: The Piano stab might be from the Isaac Hayes song Hyperbolicsyllabicsesquedalymistic (that’s actually the title lol). There’s a piano breakdown near the end of the song and I think that’s where the piano is from.

[@thepropogandist1904]

ALMOST CRIED WHEN YOU DID THE REALEST MOBB DEEP. ONE OF MY FAVE BEATS OF ALL TIME

[@drum877]

I miss the days of mainstream music having beats like this 😢

[@stevesamplingmusic]

mate this wasn't mainstream, in the 90´s backstreet boys and the spice girls were mainstream, hiphop was still mostly underground.

[@drum877]

@@stevesamplingmusic Underground means no TV play. This was the golden era of hip hop. It may not have been in the forefront of popular music but it definitely wasn’t underground.

[@jonbog6479]

Listen to Ren for some sick beats

[@redpillras3456]

Deep cover is one of the dopest beats

[@dreadlordbeats]

It's funny that you posted this video, cuz for the first time since I started making beats last year, I finally made one which I don't like. I'll still put it out there tho. One man's trash is another's treasure, you never know.

[@NavieD]

Yeah I think I remember 9th wonder saying that exact thing when sending out his beats

[@nuggz22]

your attention to detail with your videos is superb... 🙏🏽👍🏾

[@Convict2Corporate]

Discovered your channel yesterday been on a rabbit hole since. Music be trash lately so instead I listen to shorts or videos while I workout, Love your stuff 💪🏼

[@nfntnightmare]

That Mobb Deep "The Releast" was definitely one of my favorites to listen to back in the days and i actually still listen to this currently

[@dozhadeville444]

I deleted at least 61 greatest beats of all-time… and another 271 bangers loss from computer crashing

[@Seanke23]

My coldest beats on housed on old dusty laptops from 2010

[@terrymiller111]

Your attention to detail is amazing. I am glad you found music beat production and teaching others to use that gift instead of like crocheting complicated things or some other shit. :-/

[@planetphatness]

I used to work for a rap label making beats, they also would use the beats I slapped together and abandoned because i wasnt feeling it. They were like, hey finish this its fire, I was like ugh really? I would copy paste a 3 minute loop and call it a day, make the adjustments in post production.

[@dirkboi6844]

This is real af it's always the easy stuff that gets attention I jus find that stuff boring like if it's easy to make there isn't enough there to make me say "oh shi that was nuts" I've noticed that a simple approach to music appeals to normal people way more (there's a real difference in someone that lives in new sound vs someone that isnt look for that at all)

[@robbmoo1234]

Wondagurl mentioned in a breakdown video of "no favors" that she too wasn't feeling the beat because of how simple and quick she made it. I personally love listening to the instrumental rather than the song 🔥.

[@fernvill27]

The realest was a dope beat to me. One of my favorite beats on the album.

[@skape101]

Deep Cover is so iconic… It never occurred to me how simple it’s construction was because each piece fits perfect.

[@drudillab8024]

Love the break down brother… well done🙏🏾

[@anthonywilliams9415]

Deep cover is an iconic beat!!

[@Thisninjascared]

Nah the dj premeir thing was crazy. That’s my favorite record on that album or maybe in life period hands down smh. This is fueling me tho

[@Gorguruga]

Dope video bro, you're the best in this genre imo. Numero uno.

[@Keviekev115]

Some of the best songs follow a nursery rhyme type beat. Makes the lyrics have to pop more

[@chosenonebeats]

One of the best beat breakdown videos ever made

[@bigstick256]

your assessments are next level

[@TenhundredHells]

I thought the synth in Missy's song added something memorable about it like when you're trying to remind someone of the song you go to sing that specific part. "Yeah that Missy song...the one that went Boop BeeBoop". Or something like that idk when I be talking about sometimes.

[@xMaSSxHyST3RiA]

Navie always delivers! 💪😎👍

[@NavieD]

You always deliver with a lovely comment :)

[@ruffiankick]

'The realest' go crazy ! I like when Madlib used that sample for "Clean Up" bro broke the "rules" with the way he looped it lol Madlib notorious for not liking his own beats chosen by artist😂

[@jme8750]

as a producer myself, i have found i will show my friends a beat i dont fw and they love it, and the same goes the other way round. producers care about complexity of the beat whereas others care about how the beat actually sounds.

[@anubis_fgc]

Nice to see The Realest make an appearance. One of my favorite Kool G Rap verses of all time (out of many), and I like the beat. From the way Mobb and G Rap spit on it, it’s hard to tell which bar of the beat is 1234 and which is 5678, which is a kinda weird thing about it.

[@posajnejkwahb]

You missed a pivotal ingredient of the Deep Cover beat - I can feel it! :)

[@Nem3215_]

Another beat that the producer hated was Tyler, The Creator's Yonkers track. Tyler said that he purposely made the beat sound like a trashy New Yorker beat, and he ultimately didn't like it.

[@xxearhustlaxx]

I love how you remake it and the editing

[@levijosephcreates]

Creating for the masses tastes usually leaves us creative folk feeling kind of empty, although it does help fill the bank account. Am not a musician although guess the same principles apply.

[@bobclues2]

I giggled a little but also that you were like . Cause im not dr.dre which was humble bet def know you have absolute genius in you too king not only do you help maintain the culture with the history but also help beatmakers with techniques and anither fun insight is that you're naturally calming to the nervous system with your speech approach background colors and even lack of flashy visuals (i have ptsd)

[@colinwolfe6538]

I used a clevinger jr. bass on deep cover, and played it live from the beginning to the end

[@ernestovalencia8227]

That alchemist beat is so fire such a dope sample

[@ImaplanetJupiteeeerr]

Cool video, you earned a sub! Do a part 2 if you find out other good examples too! :)

[@jasontarner1227]

The dr dre bass synth on deep cover very well could be a moog but I believe its from the Studio Electronics Omega 8 synth which I know he used around this time which is also an analog synth very similar to a Moog but had 8 voices. Its what he used to create that classic "west coast/G-funk" sound...

[@muffyio]

Just discovered your channel. Awesome stuff! I've been using FL studio for almost 20 years now.

[@TayWoode]

A lot of the time they hate their own stuff because they’re always trying to make the perfect song or beat when it’s already perfect to most people. The best beats are simple with good effects and choice of drums, I always think the breakdown beat in the video for Michael Jackson Remember the time is very simple but so effective

[@onetonpun]

Back when I made mash ups it some what bothered me that the best sounding mashup didn't require any effort, and the more I tried the worse it sounded.

[@new.prblmz]

Thank you for the amazing work you do, banger videos 🔥 always

[@arbyscurlyfries9490]

I don't make beats but I do make a lot of metal and other stuff, I never delete anything but just put it on my "garbage" drive. Sometimes I'll dig through it and find a chunk of something thats actually sick and make something else with that chunk. Sometimes I don't recognize the songs at all and get stoked, most of the time though it's cringe to dig through

[@glendwellz]

I’ve been through this recently actually. Last summer I released four beat tapes then invited every rapper I know to pick out the beats they liked to make as many songs as possible. The beats they all picked was good but in my opinion not the greatest. But when I heard the vocals on them I understood why they picked the beats they did.

[@DBL304]

It’s always amazing what beats other artists pick

[@damien1781]

We’re all different and see different things in your art and how we can make it our own.

[@dj2bklyn]

its really amazing how none of these producers can make their own music they have to steel or and use someone elses to get over

[@abd-bm3cd]

Simplicity can be Beautiful as well

[@audiolatte]

I think I just found my favorite new youtube channel, subscribed

[@realjoshb]

Timberland not liking the part that really makes the beat stand out is wild

[@CDMESD]

Great video

[@YungPhantom-dp7rd]

I can understand cuz I'm an artist myself and I can understand how a beat might be weird or might sound trash to the producer but that what makes it a challenge for the artist to see what he or she can create with that sound that the typical artist might of passed on that really create separation from the artist that can create something dope with any production than an artist who is just so one dimensional with there signature sound and preference

[@DoctorSess]

When you listen to the same beat for hours, days, weeks, months… years… you begin to hate it’s very existence. A single bar is enough to send you right over the edge.

[@avgriffin]

producers over focus on doing difficult stuff, but these artists often need simplicity. J Dilla (the master of course) made many his beats under 15 mins and I'm not saying be like him, try to be a master of 15 mins simple perfection, he's a genius, forget impossible standards, but what can we learn from that? if drop by pharcyde was made quite quickly after Proof gave Dilla the sample, what does its ay about the power of going w what feels right. My best beats personally, to me, ones I'm glad I made, weren't ones I logged days and hours weeks in, ones that just came together in a few mins of starting. It just feels natural. No need to overproduce.

[@skeezix8156]

I remember grabbing Public Enemy’s Greatest Misses when it first came out. I’d had this one beat in my head since about ‘87 and it was 90% Hazy Shade of Criminal. Talk about a deja vu all those years later and was on kind of a cast off album. Love PE

[@---jm4cz]

Damn, „one minute man“ is so nostalgic and one of her greatest songs ever 😅

[@coates27]

I'm just impressed at his ability to recreate those beats, sheesh, guy is good man, maybe ots not exactly the same but it's stupid close