The BEST character for new players, according to science

[@thedanish5523]

"the character to play is the one who looks cool to you" ah yes, i see, I must play Magma Abraham Lincoln

[@sanjivinsmoke2719]

Yep especially when he gets elected for president l3.. its about to go down bruh

[@petiteexplication6249]

That is literally what i did after i started playing this game a month ago lol

[@spartanseventyeight8673]

I mean, I might've rushed the fuck out of the fight money to get Magma Lincon.

[@3serio]

Ehhh you’re not wrong! That’s why I play ssj korn🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Azorpatch]

Don't forget to pick VT2 to use the incredible magma slam dunk grab!

[@Bafael]

Since about 2013 or so I've kept my ear to the ground on shoryuken threads and Twitter and the like, trying to figure out what specifically causes people to give up in a fighting game. Whenever I see a common thread I try to make a video that's like, "here's how you deal with that thing" and that's how I grew my KZbin channel. A very common situation I see is someone who WANTS TO PLAY Akuma or juri or someone, but was told they're bad for beginners. That person plays Ryu for a bit, doesn't have fun, ditches the game. The thing most beginners don't realize is that the single most important thing in fighting games is their own morale. If you play juri for 100 hours because you like her, you're gonna end up a better player than a guy who plays Ryu for 20 hours then abandons the game because he doesn't like ryu, even though Ryu is "better for beginners." And not only will the guy who played juri because he was passionate about her be the better player in the end, he'll have had more fun for the journey. The vast majority of pros themselves are passion players who play characters they like, and sfv is balanced enough anyway that you can win with basically anyone up into the absolute top level of play. Obviously the main objective of a video game is to have a good time, so if you're not having a good time you have to reevaluate how you can. There's no sense in trying to become the best player ever if it's in a game you don't even enjoy playing. Most of us aren't ever going to get to pro level, and actually even if you do you might not even like tournament play. Personally I've always found tournaments to be really stressful while I just like the philosophy of the game, so I've never seriously tried to compete in any sf title. Not disagreeing with anything in your video. Just posting some thoughts and observations I've had over the years. One last thought, I think someone who plays Akuma for 100 hours will end up a better Akuma player than someone who plays Ryu for 50 then Akuma for 50, though I do confess I think the two players may end up with different Akuma playstyles. I think if you want to get good with X character, it makes no sense to play Y character when you could be playing X character.

[@kobasteele4965]

Sup bafeal

[@nebiyuesayas5600]

Yo, the man himself appears!

[@kobasteele4965]

Also bafeal every patch I wait anxiously for your patch note vids only yours will satisfy me

[@mathhackerpro5031]

Strange:kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn7FiHeFo8aJZpo

[@grayredemption8251]

Regarding the 50 Ryu and 50 Akuma analogy, both characters are shotos and have similar inputs and general strategy. I think a player who spends 50 on a grappler, and then 50 on a zoner would be the better player because they get to experience the pros and cons across the archetype first hand.

[@dontaemiles92]

After watching lots of Brian_f videos I've genuinely become a better player. Thanks Brian.

[@MinogamiMakoto]

Same here, thank you Brian_Fundamentals

[@andrewmaltz1081]

As a Birdie player, hearing Brian say “blonde waifus taking over Capcom Cup” with MenaRD and Birdie over his head is simply magnificent

[@mathhackerpro5031]

Odds:kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH2Ump-IlKigp80

[@Lockeabout]

Imagine playing birdies corny ass

[@kurtisschoenberger8516]

1 year later that blonde main wins Capcom cup

[@ahmednasser8214]

"Play the character you like" Me: - Knows very little SF lore, knows nothing about tier lists or professional play at time of purchase. - Sees Nash, half zombie guy with glasses and oversized boots. - This Nash guy looks cool, I think I'll main him. - *PAIN* ~ May 2019, the Nash one-trick incident.

[@CameronKujo]

Nash is playable now, though. You just have to play lame. Fun only happens with Nash when you activate VT2 Kappa

[@mathhackerpro5031]

Strange:kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn7FiHeFo8aJZpo

[@sirchris6047]

How's that going

[@bobafettna2074]

*SONIC*

[@ThatCreepyReading]

Love your vids my dude

[@618Smokey]

The chat going “wait no” about Honda told me all I need to know. Instant main 😂

[@HashTheGrappler]

As a Diamond Honda, I can say you made the right choice.

[@kclauber]

@@HashTheGrappler whats your fighting ID? I also main Honda and I wanna see good players doing him to get ideas. I'm still Gold though

[@HashTheGrappler]

@@kclauber my CFN is: __Hash Though it would be best to add me on discord Hash#9036

[@sanjivinsmoke2719]

I love the sarcasm Brian display when people ask weird questions..

[@bogartskim]

Brian upload?? Pog

[@masontem7526]

Bogart comment?? Pog

[@VanchiLopez]

Lets gooo Bogart

[@Dan-Hollow]

I founded you!

[@kevingriffith6011]

I don't get this obsession with "the right character for a new player" to be honest. Take it from someone whose first character in GG+R was Venom, you don't need to be able to use a character to their full potential to still have a good time with them. Are you going to lose? Sure! Welcome to fighting games, you must be new here. You're going to lose no matter which character you pick, but eventually with enough games between you getting better and the matchmaking having a better understanding of where you belong you'll eventually hit that sweet spot of winning about as much as you lose... but instead of playing a character you don't like who is good for new players you're playing a character you do like and actually want to get better with. That being said if it's taking too long for you to really get "the sauce" of the character you like and you're feeling like you're beating your head against the wall... absolutely try someone else. Don't let character loyalty sap the fun out of the game for you. Sometimes a character you love just doesn't love you back, and you have to let them go for the less attractive but more accessible character.

[@deep1012]

Pearls of wisdom ☝😌

[@mathhackerpro5031]

Odds:kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH2Ump-IlKigp80

[@Cra3ier]

Yup, I love Menat she’s so hot and cute but I can’t play her so I chose to play Sakura which also cute and is beginner friendly and am happy, still in bronze tho

[@CoMcDougal]

Yeah when I first started playing +R I picked Ino because I thought she looked super cool, but her movement made 0 sense to me and eventually it frustrated me enough to drop her. Then I saw Sols wild throw animation and I never looked back

[@PaddyRoon7]

I think what people are looking for when they ask for a character they can play as a newbie, is a character that doesn't take long before you can start doing cool shit with them. Saying "Choose the character you like the most" or something similar means absolutely nothing to a new player. They don't have a connection to any character yet, and they're more interested in a character's playstyle than their spot on tier lists. They don't know enough about the game to choose their favourite character. I ended up choosing Karin because I enjoy a footsies based approach to fighting games, but none of the people who said "Pick who you think looks the coolest" or "Pick your favourite character" contributed to that decision in any way. What did help is when I asked on reddit which characters have that playstyle, and I was given a small list of characters that fit that description. Tried them all out for a few hours each, and settled on Karin. If I didn't do that, I'd have had to spend countless hours in training mode just figuring out each character's moves and basic combos before deciding who was my favourite. So yeah, I'm pretty opposed to the "Pick your favourite" advice that is often given in fighting games.

[@joebud78]

Been following for a bit now...i know this vid is a year old, but i cant thank you enough for your effort and videos. Learning so much from your content. Thank you sir 🙏

[@Reacoo]

Ah yes Mr.Brian with another video

[@J0ulez5]

I think when people say "tier lists don't matter till high level" they misunderstand the value of tier lists at lower levels. Tier lists are useful tools for learning how high level players view the game, and the strengths and weaknesses of characters. Inexperienced players may sometimes put too much stock in it, but they still help to build fundamentals

[@CPTHAP]

Oh fuck yeah, love the Baf shoutout. Genuinely hoping you guys do stuff some day.

[@amesorisu]

If Brian gets 100K, I'll cry. Here's to getting close to 60K.

[@mathhackerpro5031]

Odds:kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH2Ump-IlKigp80

[@DiscoCokkroach]

He's pretty close to 100k right now!

[@johnsmith45542]

the character you find hottest. that's the objective scientific answer. i mean honda makes sense, according to my data.

[@xRhychux]

Low HP is bad for people that have no sense of mitigating risk. Makes sense that Cammy would be near the bottom

[@theWIIISEguy]

Straightforward also doesn't mean easy to play/win with. People commonly underestimate how linear she is as a weakness and only focus on her having strengths.

[@mathhackerpro5031]

Strange:kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn7FiHeFo8aJZpo

[@InfiniteTranscendence]

That and her specials are unsafe, and instant divekick takes a lot of practice to do consistently and hit confirm off of. Beginners loooooove using special moves. We all did it starting out. Doing lots of arrows and random DP's are just a bad idea as they are asking to be punished. Random sumo headbutts on the other hand... work much better against newer opponents who don't know how to do it. Not to mention Honda can take more hits and win a war of attrition.

[@theWIIISEguy]

@@InfiniteTranscendence Exactly. Basically people have always hated on Cammy and her players cause she's so effective. We know she's good. But there's always someone overreacting about how mid-level players take advantage of her strengths and have no skill or knowledge. However, very rarely does someone point out that she's not an easy, brain dead character to just hop on and play to beat more skilled opponents. Less if more and Cammy players know that or come come realize it after enough Ls. If a Cammy is washing you, chances are they know what they're doing.. At least enough enough beat you. She's got plenty of holes in her game and she's can be just bad when you make one too many mistakes or lose a life lead.

[@InfiniteTranscendence]

@@theWIIISEguy Another thing to mention is even her great things like her cr mk confirms are difficult to so and take a lot of practice due to the tight window to do them. In a game, some characters just attract more flak than others while others tend to be overlooked or excused. It's also based on popular trends and what people read in articles and see. No character is perfect and all of them have something to offer. Cammy isn't unbeatable and even loses to Menat, Talked, and Abigail who aren't top tier. It's more than simple tier strength. It's about looking at all the tools and learning the matchups. I think this list shows that people should just enjoy the game and play as who they like. The players who are complaining about her are probably not at the level she is the most dangerous at. It just comes down to labbing certain things.

[@zonk834]

SFV creator MC Mura recently made a video on this topic too if anyone is interested in more content!

[@PRODAt3]

That's why ever since Dan was put in game I ditched Akuma for him, and I've never felt happier. Going back to my old sf4 main has given me renewed interest in the game. I even managed to rank up quite a bit lol. Hell if Dan was in game from day 1 I'd probably would have bought it day one instead of waiting till march 2018 anyway.

[@Bluzlbee]

I still find tier lists fun to go over all the time, Honda is a great example of knowledge check with frame data, noob players will assume a long pokey punch or kick, when something like 5K into DP is what satisfies the condition statement, noob players won't do that As the lists get higher, we see mechanic disparity fall, like Karin, Cammy, Juri Even looking at these lists tell stories, Akuma is low cause online lag and volatile stun is what ends him, so he suffers more than optimally when not under online conditions

[@sinn3r147]

This is the content i'm subscribed for!

[@KingsofSouthTown1997]

Thanks this helped me a lot to understand Why I was losing because of my mistakes but I am having more fun playing Luke. The first few days I thought Luke was impossible for a scrub to play him now siting in sliver working my way up in rank

[@stevenfallow8856]

Hi, I just started watching your channel. Great content presented really well. Keep it up!!! :)

[@aadaaadasda9979]

Abimagail is the one character i'd give my vote for. Big buttons, big damage, easy combos, decent anti-air, has command grabs to open up blocking (although a normal one got nerfed way too hard for no reason), highest vitality, pretty much nobody up to like platinum cannot deal with run to grab cancels, and if they are smart enough to start jumping, you punch them to the face instead. Has a parry for that honda buttslam too. And as an added bonus, he absolutely dwarfs and trashes all those pesky gief players who think they are better than you. Top tier beginner character.

[@ludvigtrankvill8677]

Subscribed, just as you commanded master.

[@nicholasvandeloecht4249]

Lots of charge motion characters are up there. Interesting. But yeah, very true. I started playing FG's in seriousness last May and E. Honda was easy to play and hit hard. I was like, "No shame, let's get it!"

[@gabeargenti7931]

Started playing a few days ago, and as I’m not a complete newcomer to fighting games (Mortal Kombat really and even then I was god awful) this game hasn’t been the most forgiving to me. Picked Rashid to go with as well as Ken too and as much as I love their style… I still suck , however I am getting the hang of taking my time with the game. Won my first match today as well. So I’ll take this advice lol, but losing something like 15 games in a row because of lack of knowledge drains a guy. Here’s hoping I get a character under my belt properly soon

[@cvonia3745]

I’ve been maining Honda for a long time only because of his Kappa skin

[@JonahBoing]

I think the reason why bison is so high at low level is because new players see this badass villain and be like “I wanna play this guy”

[@SandwichGamer107]

I just picked up Kage because he's so coool

[@MrRyuken555]

I wanted to like him but those little horns just look stupid.... Same as Ed he looks awkward in his standing pose. So cant take them seriously.

[@azure9306]

Brian Upload?? Pog

[@petiteexplication6249]

I just came go sfv last month after dropping r6s and im enjoying so far im just a casual that plays for fun so i dont care if a character i use is op or not i judt wanna have fun (something that made me drop the previous games)

[@masontem7526]

HI BRIAN! And hello everyone! I passed my quiz in Payroll and sales tax, so hope everyone enjoys the video! Btw Hello Daniel

[@Giraffinator]

There's something very wrong with this, Dan apparently has several 10-0 matchups at the highest ranks

[@GigaHands]

Low sample size means those matchups either literally have no data for them, or happen so rarely that Dan always losing is likely enough to actually happen. I'd say the Diamond-Warlord data set is more representative of character viability at high levels for this reason, even though it's still imperfect. Also after looking at the Grandmaster-Warlord data, apparently Juri-Zangief is a 9-1 matchup. I don't believe that for a second and blame the low sample size yielding a lopsided result by chance.

[@chefrobsen]

Thank you, that you told me to sub to the channel. I completely forgot, that I've never subscribed, even though the almighty google algorithm shows me one of your vids every other day.

[@nickkiller-0710]

yo Brian and Baf? that's a crazy crossover

[@Sorrelhas]

I have 80 hours in the game and still don't know who I want to main lmao But I think it's really cool that win-rates and pick-rates are available for all to see. I wonder how heavy is the influence of that data on balancing versus tournament results

[@Setteri_]

I'm not sure who i want to play either but i managed to narrow it down a little after some time thanks to training mode.

[@Sorrelhas]

@@Setteri_ No, yeah, I definitely have a few contestants I've even successfully taken a few characters to ranked, but playing a character just because it gets me wins feels dishonest, so I'm still searching to see who clicks

[@Setteri_]

@@Sorrelhas Yeah, I'm not a fan of playing strong characters just because they are good either.

[@MacMens0100]

How high I keep seeing Vega in these rankings makes me feel lied to

[@mathhackerpro5031]

Odds:kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH2Ump-IlKigp80

[@td18xd]

Rob actually is practicing his Guile for Capcom Cup. He said it'd be a better matchup against iDom

[@astrangeriremain]

I watched this before it was on youtube, but after it was live on twitch. What a weird feeling haha

[@los802000]

Great video! Also, today marks 34 years since the original Street Fighter hit the arcades. Lol

[@darkgoblin5681]

Basically ungabunga charge characters are the best for winning in bronze to gold, if you only care about winning.

[@fernandopires135]

"Falke top tier gold-ultra platinum" Noooooo ...my excuse...

[@namename9194]

Props for putting Alex's silhouette in Rookie

[@saltysalmoling8055]

Brian_F: The best character to play is e Honda 👌! Me when I got street fighter: *jumps off wall* AREIBA AREIBA *critical arts into a projectile* Edit: 3:16 AND THATS A FACT

[@BongWatah]

I've always said tierlists don't matter until you get to the highest level but I never thought about the concept of multiple skill tierlists. that's really interesting

[@xboxgamer474246]

This new wave of objective tier lists based on statistics is the move. Can we keep it in SF6?

[@faikhozen5963]

Alex because Ultra Silver below has like 50% of them in auto macro command to mash / hold HP+HK or something you are completely oblivious to lower ranks, and that's expected

[@Sh1ne42]

Bro. I have cc on and it is all over the place. What the heck

[@RatBagDad]

8:28 It doesn't matter how great the mythical netcode is. You can't change the ping of people from far away in the world. latency is latency, it can't be coded away. You want to have a poole of players from a wider field? then you're going to have to put up with higher and higher ping matchups.

[@АртёмТор-к2ю]

you should check how rollback works

[@RatBagDad]

@@АртёмТор-к2ю Distance is distance and there is no such thing as magic. You will N_E_V_E_R have a ping of 10 when you're in Scotland and the other person is in Australia.

[@АртёмТор-к2ю]

@@RatBagDad yes, but you can go around it. I can play strive with 200 ping, but playing sf with 80 is impossible

[@RatBagDad]

@@АртёмТор-к2ю 200 is unacceptable and 80 is highly undesirable when you're talking about timings where 1 or 2 frames matter. That's why all significant gaming competitions are hosted in a central location and not spread out online. If I want to play people on fightcade then in the UK the only options I have are other people from the UK or France. Any further and the ping is bad for both players. But there will never be a time when I could play with people in america or Japan and have the same ping. This is simply the 'Hard Limit'. 👍

[@slugbones]

I'm personally bringing those Cammy numbers down, sorry bros.

[@SebuTK]

3:13 THIS! Picking up tekken it was scary asf but I knew that with my guy Bryan it would all be ok

[@GDPanda69]

ANGRY COMMENT ABOUT SOL

[@Speak2Soon]

5:28 Yes. You did speak too soon.

[@IllmatikRebelTV]

I'm not trying to sound harsh and discouraged anyone from playing certain characters, but Honda is basically like training wheels for players. It's insane how safe he is on most of his special moves on black smh

[@mathhackerpro5031]

Strange:kzbin.info/www/bejne/hn7FiHeFo8aJZpo

[@T769-r8s]

Hey I’d like to know if it’s still the same case even know? Deciding on which character to get that’s why

[@exiaR2x78]

Shout out to Baf!

[@gum8788]

8:40 “I have a dream” by Brian_F

[@steven2brazu]

Watching Brian drunk undefeated

[@PomadaGaming]

11:23 that’s right. 100% agree

[@HanMasho]

I never choose a character based on tier lists. I just go with ones I think are cool and have a moveset I can understand.

[@naquan59]

I feel like tier list are the reason a lot of new players pick Cammy without learning the match ups or practicing making her win/lose ratio bad.

[@Algorithm_Poison]

I've been playing sf5 for about month now mostly with ryu. I have my good days online but I still suck. I've been wanting to try different characters but it's hard to decide given the huge roster which is why I've spent so much time with ryu. Funny enough I was thinking about e Honda and come to think of it I don't think I've come across one online.

[@senseofjustice0218]

Honestly I feel like you gotta pick whoever makes the game the most fun for you cause that always increased the lifespan of a fighting game for me. I started with Cammy cause of her rep as a good starter character but I switched to Karin later and had WAY more fun playing as her. I also felt like it instilled better fundamentals since I had to get in close on the ground with Karin whereas with Cammy I'd fall back on divekicks or hooligan mixups too frequently.

[@tophatowl6724]

I feel that ranked is actually fairly indicative ASIDE from maybe the top 500 or 1000 ppl. Its a huge difference if your silver or plat. But i do agree, I wish fighting game publishers and devs would make more robust and meaningful ranked systems

[@grayredemption8251]

It's true Honda is notoriously difficult to deal with at bottom ranks. You have to specifically train to recognise if he's using medium or hard headbutt. Depending on your character there maybe little that can be done. And you have to be stand blocking to reduce the pushback to punish properly most times. This is just from one special. He also has sumo splash from the air that can also cross-up, so your AA has to be on point. Even after these two, he can pressure with hands that are plus on block. Then he even has a command grab lol. How do you expect any rookie-silver to deal with all this. Anyone who can deal with it is already not a silver player.

[@terrywong7677]

Love meta discussion videos like this!

[@eleos-7845]

What’s the song he plays at 2:55 ?

[@BrainGeniusAcademy]

jazz club - anarchy reigns. Full track list is in the description

[@juanbravo2965]

3:17 Well said, that’s exactly what I tell new people

[@deesix3504]

As a Cody player, I agree about Fang.

[@Dumah36]

I just have character adhd. So finding a character is only a matter of time for me. I do trails then practice for at most an hour an then online. Not seeing how many times i win pre say but seeing how it feels to play that character. Like with sf4 Juri i had a lower win rate then with gief but i had no less fun. But staying on a character long enough to get to higher ranks was just tough for me.

[@markoholic_]

I started playing shotos and ended up maining bison/dictator lol EDIT: it's because of dictators japanese VA who I absolutely love: Norio Wakamoto

[@Complexity-lq9fp]

Brazilian Ken is always a great choice

[@GamingCentralTV1]

Brian if you dont mind can you do another for the culture?

[@JaboodyEnthusiast]

Sagat. You can't go wrong piecing up players in bronze when you know you can zone as a last resort. Guarantee that you will know DP and Hadoken motion inputs like it's your name by time you get him to silver.

[@konstantinpavlov7100]

Sagat perfect start character

[@anon3631]

Kara cancels (mk, hk) make Sagat a bit difficult for newcomers I think.

[@JaboodyEnthusiast]

@@anon3631 By time they need that they'll be in silver 🥈 then they'll use a good character once their passion to win is burned into them, one raging demon defeat at a time.

[@idk72.]

@@anon3631 they're not needed to win, they boost your chances, but aren't needed

[@notcyfhr]

bro the chart got even wonkyier even in high level play nowadays.

[@peopleschamp7070]

I think Cammy is the easiest at the highest/medium level of play, she's obviously ridiculously easy but she's not a rookie friendly character you have to practice hit confirms with Cammy because all her moves are super unsafe and rookie players can't just throw them out, you also have to learn instant dive kicks which aren't beginner friendly and Cammy isn't a character that also robs you either which helps in beginner rankings

[@InfiniteTranscendence]

Even at medium level of play it's still a struggle. At highest she truly shines. At the highest level of play I think the characters come into their truest potential. Doing things like instant divekick, and then hiconfirming it as well as cr mk (which pros mess up) isn't easy. However her game plan is straightforward which is a pro and a con. If an opponent can't condition their opponent then they won't open their opponent up. However you can get a lot of mileage off of her with basic fundamentals. It's much easier to use safe special moves and 50/50 guesses at lower levels. Mastering neutral, shimmies, frame traps, and opponent conditioning is a esoteric concept to most and that's why they find fighters hard. They just want to do flashy combos.

[@ssbm_sin]

The bit about challenger level players being pro level is on par in inaccuracy as saying someone who's warlord is on par w people who qualify for capcom cup or get top 8 at super majors, especially in the NA league scene, solo queue is legit meaningless outside of like, making a career out of streaming lol

[@Brian_F]

Don't players at that rank get drafted to pro teams frequently? I have a very cursory knowledge of league but from my understanding the online ranks have more correlation with competitive level than fighting games do

[@ssbm_sin]

@@Brian_F It's fair to say it's a bit more correlation than in fighting games, but for league specifically the top "online warriors" if at all scouted usually are just brought onto academy teams rather than actual LCS teams, where they stay for a good amount of time, a majority of whom don't even get to see LCS stage time. Most of the "new" talent for league (in NA at least) is just imports funneled in from the regions that actually have good ping for soloq, while in NA even if you're grinding and hit rank 1 you're not anymore likely to have gotten picked up by a team than someone who got into a scrim block and preformed well.

[@wwzzz-]

@@ssbm_sin it is different for NA but brian is correct for regions like korea. in korea once you get to above 500lp challenger you reach the area where you start playing with korean pros. the mentality behind soloq is completely different from sfv, in korea soloq is basically a training ground to practice in for most pro players. so if you get to say 1000lp and are frequently matching vs pros, its safe to say you are playing somewhat close to the pro level. granted league is a team game and soloq doesnt have the same aspect to it as playing in 5s but it is certainly a lot closer than top sfv ranked compared with sfv tournament play.

[@darien3863]

@@Brian_F solo que is also a bit of a joke in league, at least for NA. Even the higher rated players have their own complaints over the years. And the meta in solo que, even in high ranks, is vastly different from competitive play.

[@jasky9178]

The blind spot of the stat is in mirror match

[@jasky9178]

Lets say all new rookie start using E honda and every new player are E Honda. Then the stat would of no use to them

[@prachetasnayse9709]

I play guile and I am just hard stuck on ultra bronze. I just don’t know what to do against Abigail. Like what is that guy? xD

[@tyjo5368]

I'm watching this while my game is updating and once it is I'm playing Abigail. He just looks awesome.

[@SAGEtheGOD01]

Only good kage since I only really use evil Ryu I can't do all the crazy combos but I can do a good few where it counts

[@user-fd2co5xr7k]

Oh god. I main Chun and Cammy in Super Silver. Not that that’s gonna change, lol

[@ZetaGM]

Its funny how i've just made it to Ultra silver with Vega and i was thinking about changing my main, it seems i won't have to.

[@24bison]

Dude how do I beat Vega I keep getting clapped cus he keeps flying

[@xRhychux]

@@24bison use a grounded antiair that covers above your head or jump back button

[@idk72.]

@@24bison try to anti air him with a dp or a jump back, they never expect those, even after 5 times in a row

[@ZetaGM]

@@24bison anti air and dp's all can work. The thing is i don't even jump that often, that shit is hella punishable.

[@mar10p53]

I guess there are also lots of players who already know fighting games picking characters like honda but many absolute beginners will pick characters like ryu and cammy and rack up losses for that character

[@QuntexYT]

when i started Street fighter 5 i started with Ken, i think he is good because he is fast and can have good combos, but he dosen't have a lot of moves.

[@Boom_OH]

I actually got back into the game learning from just playing casual matches. I had no idea my rookie ass would face other rookies and bronze. I come from Tekken where in casual you never know what your gonna get ranked wise.

[@thesource0024]

Then when you get to base Diamond and you face UGM/warlord. You feel like a rookie all over again.

[@William_Brando]

I started from rookie and got to gold on ps4 thanks to Alex and his crazy pressure and rushdown grab game in 1 month. This video is based.

[@Dokainin]

I honestly think that even if the netcode for fighting games reaches the point of being indistinguishable from offline the community will still shit on it for being "online"

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Literally impossible for online to match the offline experience. Even the best Rollback netcode is objectively worse than playing with minimal offline delay. People who say this somehow forget that native delay doesnt just go away because the netcode is *nearly* flawless. Even if online somehow consistently only has 1 frame of delay (impossible but lets assume), then that 1 frame is stil added to the already native delay for your console/PC.

[@Dokainin]

@@jdrmanmusiqking you can actually almost entirely get rid of the native input delay on PC just by disabling V-sync. so in DBFZ for example 3 frame delay online on pc basically feels the same as offline on ps4/5 as long as the connection is stable. optimal fighting game performance is on PC because consoles get worse every gen in regards to the native input delay. PS5 is like a third to half a frame worse than ps4

[@dippythehippy]

This is because playing offline is different to playing online even disregarding netcode. Many eSports have seen big upsets in the covid era because of things being forced online.

[@Dokainin]

@@dippythehippy Hypothetically if you were on pc and the netcode was consistent and indistinguishable from offline, then the only actual difference between them is the nerves that come from the live competition aspect vs the comfort of being in your own home. And my comment wasn't actually in regards to competing, but in regards to the fact that you can have online warriors who can consistently beat top pros but get no respect because they play online. Other esports like Brian said arn't like this and they actually view highly ranked players as potential recruits for teams. that is something that will never happen in the FGC because of how stagnant the perception of online is regardless of how much the experience improves.

[@dippythehippy]

@@Dokainin it's not just a nerves Vs comfort thing. Playing online is a entirely different experience to playing in person. I also think that other eSports are like this. Sure a high rank might show potential, but someone who can show their skill at lower tier in person events are generally respected more than those players who just climb the ranked ladder.

[@hypoxxi5505]

I feel like Starting with a Charge character isn't the greatest thing to do. The simple charge inputs like Hold back, foward. Hold down, Up for flash kicks will kinda mess with you if you stick with em. I think Characters like ryu with fireball and dp inputs will serve you better in the long run in all fighting games. If you start with Charge characters and stick with em, it will be a disadvantage in the long run.

[@Stroggoii]

Maining Honda never prevented me from doing Raging Storm after learning the motion. "Bad habits" are bullshit, knowledge is cumulative.

[@Kappaprimo]

Hi, Twitch chat!

[@AnnCatsanndra]

I used to not understand the appeal of the gene but I just had a blast losing to a close friend for 3 hours lol. To my surprise, Urien is actually pretty fun and Aegis Reflector feels busted.

[@theagonistt394]

When it comes to LoL, it really depends on the server. If you get into NA and China servers, most Challengers are one tricks, and the games are low quality fiestas, there's nothing to do with pro play at all. If you go to Korea and EUW servers, then you have legit pro players in Challenger. The main problem with League is that there's no voice comms, it's equivalent to the lack of a good netcode in fighting games.

[@simons9264]

baf goated

[@gamelord12]

Can confirm. A match against E. Honda in high Silver ranks (either Super or Ultra, don't remember) is what made me quit the game. Just a knowledge check of what to do against hand slap, butt slam, looped over and over again as a frame trap. Characters like that are super effective at low ranks. There was a Cammy player I followed because he literally only did two moves over and over again, and I loved watching how effective it was in replays. I don't think he ever made it to Gold, but I admired that he never changed up his strategy.

[@DiscoCokkroach]

> There was a Cammy player I followed because he literally only did two moves over and over again, and I loved watching how effective it was in replays. I think Seth Killian calls this the "Thank You, Sir. May I Have Another?" playstyle in his Domination 101 articles.

[@axeoseilez3207]

*Gets Fang in ranked match* Welp guess I dont get to play today

[@timmccrthy]

What character are you? There's plenty of points to take your turn back if you understand the MU and are ready for them. Unless you're Gief, then you're screwed. That MU is hot garbage.

[@ddublu]

akuma low tier confirmed. I purposefully chose akuma as my first sf character, not only cuz I think he's sick design-wise, but he has the shoto base with a lottle spice. The argument is the "beginner character argument" inverted. I tend to play grounded, reactive footsies. Akooms definitely isn't the best at that. He's solid, but has somewhat stubby normals. If you fuck up a hitconfirm, you get shredded. Akuma is a paper tiger. Your errors hurt. The punishes are really hard and he has the toolkit to dabble in many styles, while being meh at most of them. Don't get me wrong, played to his potential, I think he's still the best character in the game. But I use him as a teaching tool first and foremost.

[@deep1012]

Just out of curiosity (if you dont mind me asking) what rank are you with your akuma atm?

[@KidOmegaO5]

Akuma’s standing medium kick got nerfed but it’s still fantastic. Used to be arguably the strongest whiff punishing tool in the game. He has a hit confirmable low forward, a fireball that knocks down meterless, and a crush counter that’s plus on block. If anything he’ll make you think your footsies are significantly better than they actually are.

[@ddublu]

@@KidOmegaO5 agreeing with the first parts wholeheartedly. He has VERY good tools, yes. But there are many characters that play any of the facets of gameplay you have alluded to better, i.e. have better fireballs or pokes etc. What makes him so strong is his unparalleled ability to switch playstyles. Facing opponents with really strong grounded footsies e.g. chun, karen, you CAN switch into keepaway-fireballs and mix in a variety of air approaches where you retain the upper hand. You could also try to play their game. It will be an uphill battle because you forego your strongest asset: flexibility, but it is a strong teaching tool.

[@ddublu]

@@deep1012 currently flipping in and out of platinum. at that time i think i was low gold.

[@deep1012]

@@ddublu 🤔 noted

[@ishmaelmiles2216]

When is capcom cup?

[@Phoenix-pb4sm]

E Honda is the modern day Ryu

[@3serio]

If i had only 3 fingers to plink and I still wouldnt play E.Honda (glad he’s here though)

[@naquan59]

When I was stuck in gold and sliver for the longest time I got to upset at losing to E-honda and alex, balrog. I just Sub to brain_F to find out the balrog match out, Twisted Rivera for alex. and smug and Diego for Ehonda.