I think it's time you did another one of these reviews for both cheap and ultimate hand grinders as there's been a lot of movement in the market in the intervening period. Lots more brands, better quality and price movements. Hence I think it'd be great to see this updated for 2022. Great video though!
@ISeeFurther2 жыл бұрын
I agree, the Timemore C2 is now as cheap or cheaper than the Porlex. Many say it’s the best value for money in the budget range (it has stainless steel burrs after all) and it would be interesting to have James’ perspective on it. 1zresso also has the q2, which while more expensive (I would consider mid-range) is still getting a lot of praise. On the higher end, 1zpresso have caught on with popularity with the k series and j series and are now the preferred choice for many coffee lovers. Would love to have them tested agains the classics such as Comandante c40.
@steveman96682 жыл бұрын
@@ISeeFurther There's also normcore and the less often talked about heihox, which due to circumstances around manufacturing and corporate acquisitions now essentially have the same burrs as the 200 and 230 dollar versions of the Option-O REMI grinder for 60 and 100 dollars respectively.
@bboesky2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I wasted my money on a Hario thanks to this outdated video… my C2 is on its way :P
@NotLuigi2 жыл бұрын
@@bboesky I think it's on you that you didn't consider that information from 2019 might be outdated. Can't blame the video for that one
@michaeldubsack1257 Жыл бұрын
@@ISeeFurther I appreciate these recent comments as I'm just now starting my journey into good coffee
You are not begging for likes or subs or being noisy in your videos. You are calm and precise in your wording. You are the Moses of coffee brewing. You definitely have my subscription.
@suzanthrasher24474 жыл бұрын
Born to American parents, I spent my childhood in Brazil, with my favorite memory of, standing in the billowing smoke while the cook’s husband roasted the coffee into the second crack, hand cracking an iron barrel over hot coals. He even let me turn the crank once in awhile. I started home toasted about 25 years ago, outdoors with a hand crank popcorn popper over a gas flame. I have a strong affinity for Brazilian organic beans from the Santos region, creating the soft, velvety roast of my halcyon childhood memories. I giggled as I watched your “cheap grinder” video. You see, mine was never considered... the really old fashioned kind with an open top and a drawer. It works great for my daily pour over, into my grandmothers antique sterling silver coffee pot. I don’t time or weigh or measure, I simply roast and grind and brew from my happy heart... and enjoy the delight of every cup.☕️ Your show makes me smile, your teaching style is thorough and entertaining, and no matter the time of day, it makes me crave my next hot cup of my home roasted “songbird” coffee. Thank you for this channel... it’s one of my new favorites.
@TavisAllen5 жыл бұрын
I currently live in Japan, and have done research as best I can with my limited Japanese on both of these Japanese companies. Porlex is a manufacturer of ceramics (Kyocera being the other major ceramics manufacturer) in Osaka, and Hario (the 'HA' is pronounced like 'HOT') began as a glass maker in Tokyo. I mention the cities they hail from, as pride and therefore competitive spirit are evident from both companies. Porlex products, be it their coffee, tea and spice mills, coarse and fine food graters, or soy sauce pourers, all feature ceramic used in some way. Hario offers a huge and varied array of products for both coffee and tea users. Both the Mini and the oft overlooked Tall version fit exactly into the plunger part of the Aeropress, which was almost certainly one of the design objectives. In a "chicken and egg" scenario, I believe the Aeropress came out first. I bought the Tall way back in May 2012 from, of all places, Orphan Espresso. It is made in Japan and, even here in Japan, is more expensive than its Hario competition. This certainly has to somewhat account for Hario being more popular both in Japan and abroad. It has served me well, but an even grind is only possible at the finest settings.
@smievil4 жыл бұрын
saw a kyocera on a native webpage that looked like the hario, but it didn't seem to have a lid, i think their ceramic grinder should be decent since they also sell ceramic knives. but i'm also considering peugeot grinder, they usually makes car so it should be quite fast and i have one of those racer gaming chairs should work well together, but i don't have a license.
@TavisAllen4 жыл бұрын
@@smievil I like your logic!
@ToTo-mn7zx Жыл бұрын
Ur lucky to live in japan i envy you ! U still living their ? I bet ur a man and have a beautiful japanese woman gosh i envy you ! Its my dream 😔 im stuck here i have no degree i cant live their if u have any tips im all ears
@MrPooPooKatchu5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for never begging for likes and subs. Both will come naturally with the level of quality you have been producing in these videos. Thanks again, James! Proud to be a backer
@robdale49995 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more with you sir. I've both liked and subbed after watching about 3 hours of his videos.
@1234kingconan5 жыл бұрын
Remember to like and subscribe !
@1234kingconan5 жыл бұрын
Smash that like button
@1918Janna4 жыл бұрын
TRUE ENOUGH! As a starter myself, i always find his videos v helpful!
@happygocrafty3 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%. The best ones don’t even need to ask for likes & subscribes.
@GogogoFolowMe4 жыл бұрын
Love the parallel shots at 7:42. Clearly exposes your consistency
@dwirandypradhika67523 жыл бұрын
I love how fast the coffee industry has been moving forward in terms of accessibility in a very short period, now we have something like the Timemore C2 that will pretty much run circles around these grinders at a similar price class.
@fryvanlee3 жыл бұрын
True that. I like to see more products like that. Better like that, than those who use the capsule coffee's. I got the Timemore C2 grinder as well. Really love the build quality and the results are great as well. Would love to see a review from james about that.
@SCARANGELO2 жыл бұрын
I have the hario of the video, i would like to get something Better, do you think that the timemore C2 will make a big difference? thank you
@dwirandypradhika67522 жыл бұрын
@@SCARANGELO Yes it'll make a huge different going from ceramic burrs to metal burrs. They have the C3 now, get that if it's in your budget, the C2 is still a great value tho.
@dwirandypradhika6752 Жыл бұрын
@@jongtrogers I got mine for ~$50 when it was a new release, and even then it's already cheaper than 2 of the shown grinders. It's roughly $30-40 today in my region, with discounts it gets even cheaper. If you live where the C2 is still $70, then these other grinders are guaranteed to be overpriced too, all while basically being glorified pepper grinders.
@shekharpatel8 ай бұрын
I’m using a 20$ grinder. Steel burrs, solid construction. Consistent grind cup after cup. I use 4 v cordless screwdriver to grind the coffee 🤗 Painless mornings…
@bobbelsekwol3 жыл бұрын
I'm on the website now. Grinder isn't showing anything about coffee though.
@khairulamirinjauhari13583 жыл бұрын
So then your coffee taste shit
@bobbelsekwol3 жыл бұрын
@@khairulamirinjauhari1358 not as shit as your comment.
@Ethan_is_me3 жыл бұрын
Hol up
@soydavidvidal3 жыл бұрын
hajahaha
@jiageng19973 жыл бұрын
'herb' grinders eh
@HipekPhotography5 жыл бұрын
I bought Porlex mini 2y ago just because it was small and it fit inside aeropress! For travel, perfect.
@HipekPhotography5 жыл бұрын
and woud love to see it compare to comandante!
@unsharted_territory5 жыл бұрын
I have the porlex mini and I really like that it fits inside the aeropress too.
@harijaja5 жыл бұрын
@@HipekPhotography No comparison at all XD I've my Porlex (bought it about 3 years ago) but just after the first year I realized that it was halting my progress (inconsistency, awful particle distribution). Then, after much thought I bought the Helor 101 (which is int he same category of "premium hand grinders" as the Comandante) and trust me, I'll never ever look back. Now I know that if my cup wasn't that tasty I (or the coffee...rarely the coffee) am at fault, not my grinder!
@dehto55 жыл бұрын
@@HipekPhotography Porlex was my first hand-grinder, and then I switched to Comandante after 3 years with P. No comparison - totally different "weight" categories. But would still gladly recommend Porlex in the low price / entry point scenario.
@shaolinotter5 жыл бұрын
including the handle?
@AdMBandLeader3 жыл бұрын
I eat a whole coffee plant alongwith a bucket of boiling water once every 5 years so I never require to worry about drinking coffee for those many years altogether.
@SoXFireBlade5 жыл бұрын
You can buy a tall version of the porlex and it has a capacity of 45 grams for coffee. I have it for 2 years and it's still working great
@north.by.northeast5 жыл бұрын
Ah you beat me to saying (typing) this :) I bought a tall/standard Porlex for £50 (not from Amazon - I don't think they sell it) about 18 months ago and it commutes with me every day to work and back, at least until I get something bigger/quicker/better to live at home. For anyone considering a mini Porlex: FYI the tall/standard is not that much taller than the mini and the weight difference is negligible, so unless you are really super restriced on packing space then consider the tall/standard.
@dehto55 жыл бұрын
Same here - used standard porlex for 3 years, now my mum is using it happily for the last two years, as I switched to Comandante. Would gladly recommend Porlex to anyone as a starting point. Got it for 47 Eur.
@Santibag5 жыл бұрын
I use tall porlex too. It does the job. The thing I don't like is, instructions tell that it can grind for Turkish coffee but it cannot powderize the coffee. Still usable though and I happily use it for Turkish coffee. Another problem is, the plastic part fitted to the ceramic part collects so much ground coffee in it. It shouldn't be a problem mostly, but it is not nice I think. Also, it's a little slow for finest grinds. But I believe it's not different for other hand grinders too. I consider adding it a top adapter for using with electric screwdriver. Just a little metal piece to use with an allen screwdriver bit(staight screwdriver bits may work too but not phillips bit because I don't like them). I hope it won't heat the coffee so much, since it's not spinning so fast like a full speed drill.
@xandr135 жыл бұрын
@@Santibag I use mine for turkish style coffee - no issues whatsoever. Thing is, you really don't need to pulverise it - while turkish (arabic, actually) style of brewing is great, they use the shittiest possible roast/grind. I find espresso grind, light-roasted, works perfectly.
@_mickmccarthy5 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this, had one for 9 years and it's still going strong. Recently bought a Rhino, it's lovely to use but definitely still prefer the Porlex.
@5thspear5 жыл бұрын
One extra category (possibly on your next review) - CLEANABILITY - I’ve used the Hario for years when ever I go away and used to use it as my daily driver at home. Whenever I wasn’t getting what I expected cleaning it saw a massive improvement, but at the same time was a complete pain with all of the tiny parts. It’s plastics construction and almost ergonomic design certainly made it easier (against say a standard porlex) - I also preferred HOW it grinds. Although others often felt smoother the hario seemed slightly faster. It would often take as long as the kettle to boil for around 30g of coffee as apposed to others which always felt like they took longer. The only use for the windows on those other models - a quick reference for grind size (which again I find useful on the hario). Lastly. I never really know whether it’s cost effective to sift grinds from such a cheap grinder. Am I losing more coffee than it’s worth?
@A_A8285 жыл бұрын
He addressed the cost effectiveness of sifting in a previous video, and his conclusion was that you're better off investing in a better grinder than a sieve set. Using a sieve on cheap hand grinders (less than 100-150 dollars) will waste enormous amounts of coffee. Sifting is mostly just useful for people who are already in the mid-high end coffee gear range, and have enough money, time, and interest to tinker with it.
@shekharpatel8 ай бұрын
Do a blind taste … with and without sieve. Cleaning is a breeze if you spritz a drop of water over beans … no static! Clean the interior for stiching chaff with a simple air bulb ($4). Beats dismantling the Encore … every day!
@tylerosborne13025 жыл бұрын
Did you only buy hand grinders that matched your outfit? Thanks James for another awesome video!
@Rockmaster8674 жыл бұрын
I don't even like coffee, but I am hooked on these coffee videos for some reason
@DESTINASITV4 жыл бұрын
Love your reviews and guide, if you ever come to Malaysia lets do a series together about our local coffee culture 😊
@deisigan13 жыл бұрын
Count me in! Would love to grab a cuppa and talk about coffee!
@mami37903 жыл бұрын
you're kidding. Malaysian coffee culture sucks!
@mami37903 жыл бұрын
@@edofarido3175 "sucks" may be a bit harsh, but Malaysia does not have the kind of culture that really appreciates finer things like coffee or even spicy food for that matter, though we like to think we do. which is unfortunate. Chili sauces and spicy food in general is much better in places like Mexico, America and India for example. And for coffee, in my experience at least, Britain is great for artisan or 'hipster' (for lack of a better term) coffee and with luxury coffee you can't beat italy. Malaysia only does these things in half measures and likes to think that we have a 'culture' around it. I do wish we made more of an effort though, would be nice to experience these things at home.
@pujimakau3 жыл бұрын
@@mami3790 @mami3790 lolol the fact that you said "'hipster' for lack of a better term" says it all. there is a better term, the better term is specialty coffee. we all love James Hoffmann here but you dont have to be a major simp for him and claim Britain has a superior coffee culture. LOL. Dont get me wrong, they have a great coffee culture obviously but I think the whole world has seen a tremendous growth in the coffee culture, Malaysia also being one of them. Do you know that Malaysia has a 2 time World Latte Art champion - Irvine Quek ? That says a lot and it is no easy feat i can assure you that; competing with a whole lot of baristas from all over the globe. One of our Barista Champion - Keith Koay also placed a respectable 7th in the world the last time he competed. So yeah, you've probably been to all the wrong places or just have a superiority complex or something. I don't believe any nation or cafe can or should ever claim to have the best coffee ever. Those who are in the industry would know that. It all boils down to the barista, the roaster, heck even the farmer, the equipment used to brew (hence why James Hoffmann produce all these videos for us), the coffee beans used and various other reasons. It is much more complex than you think. That's why the previous baristas or latte art or brewers champions have all been from various countries (from South Korea, Poland, Taiwan, Australia just about almost every single continent) So yeah, stop being a coffee snob and don't be the reason why some people hate 'coffee people'. Just appreciate coffee as it is bro. The world as a whole is seeing a great rise in the coffee culture and recent trend has also shown that our neighbours Thailand, Indonesia and yes, even Malaysia's coffee scene is thriving. Wake up and smell the coffee. & do your homework! Would love to see James Hoffmann experience our coffee culture. P/s: dont get me started on the spicy food remark. Lawak.
@dannydeng76033 жыл бұрын
good, also we have some very nice manual coffee grinder with stainless Barr, you can make a review to me?
@clawrence0345 жыл бұрын
Harrio should do a collaboration with Makita and make a hand grinder with a hex shank on it so that you can run your hand grinder with a drill.
@donbow4503 жыл бұрын
Hario Smart G + mobil mill stick
@gabrielsabourin25293 жыл бұрын
I actually use my Makita drill with the "henry charles" type grinder (actually a Woods that came in a little camping coffee kit but literally the same thing lol idk who makes these grinders). Not sure if its good for the grinder nor the coffee, but I get a dose of corse grain in like 20 seconds.
@philiproszak16783 жыл бұрын
Love this
@arsenault1853 жыл бұрын
May or may not have just rammed it in the chuck of my drill once or twice.
@RavenSWE3 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielsabourin2529 I think the main issue is that it will heat the coffee beans up more than it should and that will affect the taste, but I probably couldn't tell the difference myself
@nvrumi2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Porlex a few years ago on recommendation from a friend. It lives in my camper now. It is perfect for me, since it's just me and the dog and she doesn't drink coffee. My typical coffee load is about 65gm/l with a dark roast. I use an AeroPress for extraction. It works for me. ;)
@ysabelcornelivre33922 жыл бұрын
Having used the Porlex Mini for half a year and l'm pretty happy with it. Recently I got an Aeropress for travelling and the Porlex fits perfectly into the Aeropress, so this is dream team to travel with.
@nvrumi2 жыл бұрын
@@ysabelcornelivre3392 The Folding Firebox Stove guy does that too. I think it's a good idea!
@mrgallbladder8 ай бұрын
Watched this 4 years later, clicked on the porlex link, the stupid thing is $105! Are these people out if their minds??
@adamoneale43962 ай бұрын
That's weird, it's £70 now
@bobbysayer580111 күн бұрын
Yes theyre dirty hipsetr thingamabob enthusiasts
@dankedieter5 жыл бұрын
The porlex in combination with an aeropress is perfect. No problems with capacity as you mentioned. And the porlex fits inside the aeropress for extra space-savings!
@danebrewer103 жыл бұрын
The Hario has a nice little feature, I use it all the time at home, and standing on the side, the Boss of the handle where it attaches to the grinder shaft, has a little groove around the edge. This groove fits over the edge of the lid. So whilst not the most compact (and I'm not crazy about the double wall thing that the grinder has going on) you cN hang the handle on the edge of the coffee grinder when it's just sitting on the side and you're not using it 👌🏻
@khaledramadan8625 жыл бұрын
Just awesome.. I am so glad you started the Patreon .. everything feels just different and I feel that sky is the limit now when it comes to exploring products out there.. can't wait for the ultimate showdown.. THANK YOU
@woodrobin2 жыл бұрын
I got the Javapresse on a huge sale (cost me $25 a bit after this video came out, bought in the USA, after a discount coupon they were offering), so quality for money was a better option for me. I'm told they tend to loosen a bit as you grind, and a 6x1 mm metric nut added to the screw can lock it in place for a more uniform grind size (keeps the adjuster from being pushed a bit down the screw as you are grinding). It's an easy hack if you have a 10 mm head to tighten the nut, and less than $0.50 (or the British equivalent) to purchase the nut.
@estebanvictorio81073 жыл бұрын
I just started my journey as an amateur on coffee brewing, and you've been helping me a lot lately. I'm thankful for that.
@carloreytansiongco87413 жыл бұрын
I like to thank KZbin algorithm deciding to introduce home based hobbies at the start of lockdowns in many countries. That's how I met James' channel and now I'm quietly enjoying pour overs.
@AndyGait5 жыл бұрын
I bought a hand grinder from Amazon that was identical to the Henry Charles/Java Presse for £9.99 (the idea that they are charging £70.00 for that is ridiculous). I know it was cheap, but I thought I'd give it a go. It was dreadful and I sent it back within a week of using it. I now have a Hario Skerton that works well... although that said, getting the grind size right first time is very hit and miss.
@nequastar18262 жыл бұрын
£6 from eBay, it’s a Chinese white label product with a name slapped on it
@leovoi5 жыл бұрын
The video we've been waiting for.. great comparison! Please include Comandate, Timemore, and of course the beast.. Kinu coffee grinder for next ultimate comparison. Thank you Mr. Hoffman, Salam Kopi from Indonesia 🙏
@bryanespiritu78355 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about the Lido too!
@MattM-245 жыл бұрын
And hopefully also the Aergrind/Feld (since they're the same quality).
@Fatbutnotflat5 жыл бұрын
salam kopi ! i would add 1zpresso as the cheapest stainless burr grinder.
@zonanyaman98755 жыл бұрын
1zpresso is amazing
@edwardko44615 жыл бұрын
And also the Apollo from Bplus (for La Pavoni)! Very curious how it stacks up against the Kinu, because there are so many similarities.
@msy0035 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the video I was curious to see. Someone compare them with a palate that I trust. There are plenty of videos reviewing individual grinders or maybe comparing two but how do I know where they are expertise-wise. Thanks for making the video and I look forward to the best of the best hand grinder!
@austinbaldwin13425 жыл бұрын
I had one of the cheap steel Amazon units for a few months. Worked good for a little while, then got very uneven grinds after a couple of months. Tried to clean it and broke several cheap but essential parts. Tossed it in the garbage and got the real porlex which I'm much happier with.
@joshtargo68344 жыл бұрын
I've been using the Hario and a cordless drill for about 15 years now, excellent setup.
@davidf22444 жыл бұрын
Why not use an electric burr grinder? Is it too expensive to justify the convenience?
@joshtargo68344 жыл бұрын
@@davidf2244 basically yes. For me, it's not worth the money for the probable increase in quality and convenience. My system has always given me the best cup of coffee I've had anywhere in the world (including Paris, Rome, ny, and LA).
@tomjonesism4 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one hahaha, and I agree its been a great set up.
@joshtargo68344 жыл бұрын
@@tomjonesism I even put tennis racket grip wrap on mine, makes it a lot easier to hold.
@danielchin80733 жыл бұрын
I have a Porlex mini. I love it. It fits neatly inside my Aeropress and all of it still fits inside the Aeropress bag. The capacity is really not an issue for me because the most coffee I ever use with the Aeropress is 15g. I can see how it might be less ideal for other workflows though.
@studiocorax87905 жыл бұрын
I've used several cheaper grinders, Hario Skerton being the most well known, however, the best by far is the Sozen, a turkish grinder which grinds from Turkish to french press, not only the most consistent grind but also really cheap, at least if you buy it from Turkey. It is also a very solid construction.
@natfailsyoutube81635 жыл бұрын
Oh I just commented about those, I'd love to see those Turkish grinders reviewed
@dlxmarks4 жыл бұрын
Which model from Sozen? They make quite a few from both brass and wood.
@blckist3 жыл бұрын
Could you tell us which kind of model you're talking about?
@sashalukyanov5 жыл бұрын
Great video James! Regarding usability of the porlex - it actually fits into an aeropress, which I say worth a point more! Also I regularly fit 28g in there, so your 25g limit can be stretched somewhat
@trystanjames2687 Жыл бұрын
Great point that I'd forgotten about!
@ashleyswu20124 жыл бұрын
Hi there, I just started thinking more about how I make my coffee, and your channel has proved invaluable. may I make some points about the ones you liked least: 1 Here in Thailand unbranded versions of these are available direct from the Chinese manufacturers for around gbp5.00. I found the prices you paid difficult to understand. Maybe there is mileage in that theme? 2 I have found the grind setting difficult to judge without trial, but after some effort an even grind for my espresso machine of the beans I use was found. 3 The parts are few and easy to disassemble for routine cleaning. replacement Ceramic wheels are also available. 4 The function of the lower inner plastic pot is not insignificant. It acts as the seating for the top part, and most imprtantly is not fixed. Those long slits are not for looking in but for lifting it out. This is actually a really nice aspect of the design. It is good for weighing out the beans too.
@jackholton99812 жыл бұрын
Could you paste links to the unbranded versions please? I don’t know if they’d ship to England but for that kind of saving it’s worth a look!
@oliverb95685 жыл бұрын
I have the Rhino! The first thing I did was wrap a layer of electrical tape around the joints to stop the bottom falling off... I’ve also since added a roughed-up washer and extra bolt to the internals to give stepless adjustments and can now grind for espresso 🙌🏻
@duhkha0005 жыл бұрын
Hey James, thanks for the video! It inspired me to finally scrap my javapresse, which I was already having issues with, and upgrade to the Knock Aergrind. I thought it was the most reasonably priced and portable after a deep dive into countless reddit and barista forum posts. Hope you’ll be able to add it to the “competition” along with the other higher end models that people have already listed.
@ddewittfulton Жыл бұрын
Wow so I love this channel! I wanted to buy a grinder immediately and couldn't watch an entire video so BANG, go to the summary and everything i need is there! BUT, later on I watched in full and had a wonderful experience! James knows how to put together videos! Thank you so much!
@lukiepookie92624 жыл бұрын
The way i grind my coffee is by putting the beans in a bag and banging them with a hammer.
@DevanHuapaya4 жыл бұрын
😰
@AnnaDeeDee4 жыл бұрын
chaotic neutral
@jambononi4 жыл бұрын
I prefer to just chew the coffee and add 500ml of boiling water into my mouth. But I'm sure your technique works too.
@TheRflynn4 жыл бұрын
How. Inch is the hammer! And the floor?
@Verethill184 жыл бұрын
I put one at a time in my mouth grind them and spit when it feels right. The spits add to the flavour.
@12345shipreck3 жыл бұрын
PSA for anyone watching it now: the two furthest to the right are mass manufactured in china, and they can now be found on the UK amazon for ~£9 each depending on the brand which definitely makes them competetive for their price, if you can't find them on amazon they are plastered everywhere on aliexpress (which I suspect is where they are being drop shipped from on amazon).
@jonesyjones84653 жыл бұрын
Can confirm! Just bought one.
@fadelpw5113 жыл бұрын
I bought it for less than 5 dollar here in Indonesia
@jonralph14 жыл бұрын
Late comment: I have the Rhinoware as a travel grinder (slightly different without the rubber) and love it. But brace yourself, here is the game changer, it fits perfectly inside an aeropress plunger and the handle fits in the aeropress bag. Makes an ideal travel set for me. I notice that all the other grinders seem to have a similar diameter (bar the hario), so likely do the same.
@kaboomsihal11644 жыл бұрын
"dirt cheap" I hear, grinding away with my 5£ grinder.
@han79024 жыл бұрын
I got one of those, and I always wonder if the 10 ponds one would grind twice as nice.
@kaboomsihal11644 жыл бұрын
@@gpat1756 much better. Probably shit compared to a very evenly grinding super expensive one but pre ground coffee tastes like dirt left in a dank basement and then dried in comparison to my hand ground coffee. Even if I leave the grounds in the cupboard for a week they're still massively better.
@kaboomsihal11644 жыл бұрын
@@han7902 I will certainly never find out lol.
@han79024 жыл бұрын
@Ysf 99 try using your teeth, best extraction ratio ever.
@cine-ish4 жыл бұрын
@@kaboomsihal1164 This is generally wrong. Getting preground from local roaster is marginally better tasting than piss-weak inconsisten grounds.
@StagguhLee5 жыл бұрын
I bought one of those javapresse clones for slightly over a tenner. Madness to think they’re selling them for £70.
@feronanthus97564 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't really call them a Javapresse clone. Javapresse is just branding that's put on a generic turkish coffee mill. I bought mine (looks exactly like these) back in 2012 off Amazon for $10 (as I recall it was listed as a spice grinder). Javapresse started in 2015. Its also a terrible grinder. I bash my knuckles into the arm constantly (when I used it) because the handle is far too short to get good clearance.
@macaoron3 жыл бұрын
It sounds absurdly expensive, I wonder where he got it from. Here in the U.S. it's sold for $40.
@planetbryan2 жыл бұрын
I bought a cheap manual grinder with the ceramic burr, and I wanted to speed things up a bit. I took of the handle and tightened the chuck of my portable drill on the top of the grinder and let it rip. Worked pretty well.
@eab22104 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your videos, James. I love coffee but have never had the room or ability to have more than the cheapest drip coffee at home, so now that I'm able to spend a bit more on the joys of like your videos have been perfect for helping me learn. I truly appreciate it!
@trystanjames2687 Жыл бұрын
I find it an interesting choice to review the Porlex Mini, as opposed to the regular. I find the standard Porlex still extremely portable, sturdy and consistent. Maybe the extra size bumped it out of the desired price point?
@Connathan5 жыл бұрын
I have used both the Hario Slim and the Porlex Mini, and found that over time, the handle on the Hario Slim stripped the bolt it sits on so that it would just slip/spin without operating the grinder anymore. The Porlex I didn't use for as long because I eventually got a Wilfa Svart grinder, but it seemed to be made of better quality metal that didn't strip as easily.
@tedfortier97115 жыл бұрын
like you, I have that issue, but with the porlex. I have one with a square head, like the hario slim, so it has started to strip. I also frequently have the issue where, because there is no retaining nut on top of the handle, the handle flies off as I'm grinding, or contorts into a weird position which damages the bolt even more. It looks like, with the porlex grinder James had, they fixed the square head, but not a retaining nut. I also have a hario skerton which has a retaining nut, but is quite a bit more cumbersome than any of the reviewed hand grinders.
@JordanChabbert3 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe that he never mentioned that the Porlex mini was designed to fit within the aero press for travel
@AlexMogilev5 жыл бұрын
For the ultimate comparison of semi-portable hi-end manual grinders: Comandante C40 Nitro Blade/Ironheart, Helor 101 Conventional/Contemporary Burr, OE Lido 3/E, Kinu M47, Knock Feld 47. Ease of use, grind range (will it go Turkish or cold brew), grind uniformity, build quality. How does the winner compare to say, Baratza Sette 30/270 for espresso range or Baratza Virtuoso/Vario with steel burrs for brew? If you have around 300$ what will you take? Do you need to spend twice as much on electric to get comparable grind quality? I guess that will be a very informative video. Thanks for the reviews.
@Brett-ui9zq5 жыл бұрын
@@jameshoffmann You said in your video "budget's irrelevant"! How about the $1000 Lyn Weber HG-1?? I agree with those mentioned above, and it would be very interesting to have one of the large table top grinders in the comparison. Lyn Weber HG-1, Orphan Espresso Pharos, and Orphan Espresso Apex come to mind.
@BKthePerson5 жыл бұрын
I'm interested to see how the Lido stacks up if it can be included! Upgrading from the Skerton mini to the Lido E-T was huge personally. If I wasn't in the states I'd be open to sending it for the comparison.
@samroesch5 жыл бұрын
A few more to add to the list: Kanso Hiku, as well as Helor Flux, and finally the Portaspresso Rosco
@frydog1ea5 жыл бұрын
Please include the Orphan Espresso Apex
@Jeffis2k5 жыл бұрын
@@jameshoffmann If you are willing to ship mine back to me I can lend you a Helor 101 (both burs), Commandante C40 V.3 Nitro, Kanso Hiku, Knock Aergrind. (I am a longtime Square Mile & Prufrock fan).
@horseshoe_nc3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I just ordered the Hario as my first coffee grinder. Will be trying it out this weekend. I may end up going electric at some point. But, this should allow me to see if fresh ground is worth it for me, without spending a lot of coin.
@rafaelantoniocorream.4314 жыл бұрын
Hello James. I've just bought one of these grinder, my decision was based on your review, thanks! Regards from Colombia!
@michaelhunter5453 жыл бұрын
I bought the cheapest one you have for $14 over 5years ago. It cracked me up watching you just trash it....but on the good side, it’s been five years and I grind my own coffee every morning just fine. I love your videos, keep up the good work.
@jackearl85203 жыл бұрын
I got my Timemore Chesnut C2 for £58, and it is so much better than the porlex that I've used before; in terms of grind uniformity and quality of build. Steel burrs too instead of porcelain, and grind well for espresso.
@monkeyplayer725 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and good to see that I made a decent choice in getting the Hario for camping trips. It has indeed served me well and taken a few beatings kept going.
@JimStafford5 жыл бұрын
Definitely think you should use the regular (not mini) Porlex for the next round. Nearly identical to the mini (even in price) but with bigger capacity, which seems to be the main sticking point (in fairness, a lot of recipes call for 24g, so I can see where it came from when they were trying to create a mini version of the bigger one).
@snuggisthecute6 ай бұрын
I'm not passionate about coffee, so I'm not interested in doing all the research. You are my go-to guy for all things coffee. And I get to enjoy delicious coffee after watching your videos without having to spend hours testing/researching. Thank you!
@philiphowlett46015 жыл бұрын
Damn I wish I had found this video before I bought my grinder, it would have helped explain alot about what to look for.
@XInfinity20243 жыл бұрын
Good video. I decided it was time to invest into a manual coffee grinder that was "cheap" and it was a huge difference in taste and smell vs the normal flat blade grinder that I can find. Thank you for making this video because this pushed me to get my first burr grinder. I gave away my flat blade grinder since I don't have a use for it anymore.
@reggieccw5 жыл бұрын
Hi James, As usual, awesome video.I personally own the porlex mini and have some pointers to add in. -On the point for portability, the Porlex mini fits perfectly into the handle of an Aeropress, and thus may add another point to note when you are bringing coffee equipment around on the move. -On the point of capacity, there is also the option of the Porlex hand grinder (not the mini), i'm not too sure if it still fits well into the Aeropress, but it will definitely hold a larger amount of beans.
@minette7474 жыл бұрын
I have the Hario for over 10 years and it’s a very good grinder.
@jeffreyim5 жыл бұрын
Hey James, thanks for doing this series on hand-grinders! It's really nice to see someone really knowledgeable take time to do comparisons of all of these. Will you consider bringing the OE Apex into the next video? As far as I know, it is the only hand-grinder that employs a crushing type burr (or sometimes called a ghost burr).
@bradleymorgan82233 жыл бұрын
I bought a grinder just like the 2 identical ones for 9 dollars on amazon. it can be dramatically improved by adding a jamb nut (i used a stainless steel wingnut) behind the grind adjustment screw. doing this will lock it in place once you have your grind set, and give you a far more consistent grind without the knob drifting as you go.
@paulchilvers5032 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for jam nut tip. 👍 Mine was $4 from Lazada Thailand
@alisonwilliams17475 жыл бұрын
I just stumbled across your channel. So well presented with lovely editing and production, how do you not have more subs!? You have a new fan :)
@allyrose91406 ай бұрын
I have had the porlex for 5 years and it’s still going strong yielding decent ground coffee. I’d class myself as a “mediocre-coffeesnob” drinker it’s been fine for me 😅
@andydominguez16874 жыл бұрын
I'm just starting to get into the science and artistry of specialty coffee, and this channel has been an invaluable wealth of information so far! Based on your rating on grind quality and current prices, I'm leaning toward the Rhino as an entry-level manual grinder. One of the things I'm interested in, however, is Turkish coffee. Is the Rhino (or any of these) capable of grinding that finely?
@anggasatya694 жыл бұрын
I suggest you to refrain from buying that and go for either 1zpresso Q1 or Timemore C1 or maybe something equal in both price and quality. They are wayyyy better than Rhino especially for finer grind and lighter roast. Those two are the actual entry level grinder. Dirt cheap options like what James review in this video are just waste of money. They grind painfully long and the results are bad because the construction, burr material and burr design are significantly inferior compared to both Q1 and C1. Not to mention they are more prone to be broken, especially when you use it everyday for fine grind.
@LetsPKlays2 жыл бұрын
@@anggasatya69 The Timemore actually would fall into the same price range as tested in the video if you order it on aliexpress directly from timemore.
@dadegroot3 жыл бұрын
I have the rhino. Points of note. Slide the rubber grip down over the join to the base and it feels more solid. Also, the hex head on the top of the grinder shaft means than when you're feeling particularly lazy, you can attach your electric screwdriver/drill with a hex socket to it, and you have an easy motorised grinder ;-)
@baderalshammari29615 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the very informative review, The grinders that I wish you could include is the Ceramic Coffee Mill Mini-Slim PRO, Ceramic Coffee Mill Skerton PRO, Handground "I own 2 of these and they suffer from inconstancy issues in terms of manufacturing", LIDO, Helor 101, Comandante C40 MKIII and 1ZGRINDER, these will cost a fortune thou, I believe you could do a mid range test first then a high end since some of the ones I mentioned go from 55-70 USD (the first 3) and then the rest kinda fall between 150-250 USD.
@SomeYouTubeGuy4 жыл бұрын
Just ordered the Porlex mini. For the record Porlex make a tall version as well which would solve your 30gm problem nicely.
@HighKingTurgon2 жыл бұрын
James, I found your channel this week and it's driven me mad for coffee. Used my French press for the first time in two years this morning. You might check your affiliate link for the Porlex; the one you have links to a reseller who's got the brand name wrong and has it listed at a 60% markup.
@KurtisSaiyo4 жыл бұрын
Thank your for the thoughtful editing! Putting all 5 up at the same time while showing the process, brilliant.
@mathewvanderbraak55354 жыл бұрын
Patiently waiting on your take with "cheap" electric grinders
@artificialglory4 жыл бұрын
Was hoping for this too!
@bl69734 жыл бұрын
Mathew Vanderbraak What do you mean by cheap? (Price range pls)
@JoshuaOakleyWordsworth4 жыл бұрын
@@bl6973 I'll answer because I'm in need of some advice. I have picked up a La Pavoni Europiccola second hand (£250) and have been using a De'Longhi KG79 to make fairly amateur espresso as you might predict. The pull feels way too quick resulting in a weak shot and the crema is nonexistent (I know this isn't something to worry about too much but it would be nice to get somewhat close). I'm hesitant to spend more than £200 on a grinder as the machine itself wasn't much more. I'm tempted to go for a more upmarket manual grinder as I feel like my price point puts me out of reach for the consistent electric burr grinders. What do you think?
@bl69734 жыл бұрын
Joshua Oakley So I live in the u.s and I don’t quite know conversion rates of £ to $. Anyways, I would say 0 usd to 150-200 usd. Not sure if up to there is even budget friendly but I mean who knows, the baratza encore is 140 usd. Though as a side note if you do get it, it’s a good idea to change the burrs to m2 from the virtuoso+ but that takes like 10 minutes max
@JoshuaOakleyWordsworth4 жыл бұрын
@@bl6973 thanks for the advice. I went for a 1zpresso manual in the end (had it for just over two weeks now). It's perfect for me. Grinds plenty fine enough and is a nice looking bit of kit. Plenty for me and my one coffee in the morning. If I was making a bunch more then it would get a bit laborious but the Pavoni isn't really designed for lots of back to back coffees any way
@kenshinjenna4 жыл бұрын
I have a Porlex JP-30 that I purchased in 2014. I still enjoy using it.
@timeshiftedprios55645 жыл бұрын
I hope that the "best handgrinders" video will include Comandante C40, Kinu M47, and an OE Lido 3 at least. These are the ones that I personally the most curious about. Im using a Kinu M47, and I chose this over the other two, purely because of the overall build quality, and because I havent heard anything about whether or not one is better then the other.
@Checkedbox5 жыл бұрын
I'm also very interested but more so that I want the cheapest of the best of the best!
@ericfricke45124 жыл бұрын
I would hope a $350 grinder would have good build quality...
@dlxmarks4 жыл бұрын
He posted that video in April 2019. All 3 models made the review list and he liked the Kinu best.
@emceeunderdogrising3 жыл бұрын
@@ericfricke4512 $350 for a grinder seems clinically insane to me.
@_AdamMcLoughlin5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting comparison. One point to say is that these may also be viewed as 'entry level' coffee enthusiast grinders. For me, I'm still a student and budget/permanent residence is not there for an electric grinder + espresso machine as it may be in future. So for me a cafetiere and hand grinder is pretty much where I'm at. Haven't really tried aeropress at home and same with V60 just because a cafetiere was bought for me etc etc. So just an interesting way to view them and certainly size for me is far less important as cost vs quality output!! Thanks James
@DigiDriftZone Жыл бұрын
Boy are the prices all over the place since this video! Rhino went from £32 to £42 Porlex Mini went from £57 to £76 Hario Slim £29 to £47 (ouch!) Henry Charles £26 to £22 which makes it look like much bette value than the rest
@cupfulofeathers4 жыл бұрын
After doing minimal Amazon-reviews research, I asked for the Javapresse for my birthday last month and got it, but I wish I had discovered your channel beforehand. I've had so many issues with it; my mom checked her Amazon account and fortunately we're still within the return window. But the funniest thing: I went to the Amazon page for the grinder to check if reviewers had my specific issues, but the the grinder has been taken off Amazon in the last month! No wonder. I'll be returning it soon and I'll be sure to check out your top two rated grinders. Anyway, I'm very happy to have discovered your channel! Keep up the great work!
@IamSeafarer5 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this kind of video from you since I subscribed! Thank you James!
@KelsomaticPDX5 жыл бұрын
Porlex all the way! I've taken it all manner of places with me. Important bonus: it fits directly in an aeropress making for one of the most compact coffee setups around. Great video! I'm more interested in the next one, but I'm worried you might convince me that I need a Commandante, haha.
@evindrews5 жыл бұрын
best coffee youtuber! great video!!
@michaelalexander68642 жыл бұрын
You have single-handedly expanded my interest and thus my knowledge in coffee. Thanks for doing these videos.
@Enlightened_Mint4 жыл бұрын
I wish the Timemore C1/2 was in this video, I feel like it would crush the competition since it's only like $65. I know there is a premium version Timemore in the other grinder rating video, but I feel the C1 really belongs more in this one with the price.
@george.carlin5 жыл бұрын
I bought Hario in 2012 and used hundreds if not thousands of times. A year ago handle started slipping from its hexagonal pin. Other than that it served me well.
@wilkerb4 жыл бұрын
I wish I had seen this sooner! I have the Javapresse and have noticed a noticeable grind size difference per batch. I bought it just a few months back and only paid $40, though, not the roughly $80 you said here. It does the job well enough for me at the moment. Im relatively new to coffee and looking to upgrade when I can.
@j616s5 жыл бұрын
I've had the full sized porlex for years. It has an annoying problem of the handle popping off while you grind which can result in the lid coming off and beans going everywhere. I ended up getting a Hario to replace it several years ago. It doesn't have that problem with the lid and I find it has a more consistent grind. I guess build tolerances might give different result for different grinders of the same model at this price point. That's been my go-to for years in the office. That said, I still keep the prolex for travel as it conveniently fits inside the plunger of an aeropress.
@homeboi97943 жыл бұрын
You need to do a new video on this topic, nowadays there's a bunch of decent grinders for relatively cheap especially from chinese brands that are easily accessible though aliexpress or even amazon.
@jonamcc3 жыл бұрын
There's also the Porlex full size which is what I've got. I also used to have a Hario Skerton which was also a slow grinder, I noticed the binding you mentioned as well. The Porlex ground the coffee much more quickly and smoothly with no noticeable decrease in quality.
@cakemuffins5554 жыл бұрын
Something about manual grinders that I would be very curious to know is how long they last. I don't mind spending a bit of money if it'll last me a decent amount of time.
@MrNubix4 жыл бұрын
Just from experience. I own a Hario Mini Mill and a Porlex (tall) for multiple years now (>5). Dropped them, traveled with them, used them extensively. Today I wouldn't buy a Hario again and always go for the Porlex. Never had problems with the Porlex, it's extremely robust and never gave me any problems. I've had problems with the Hario, the handle is a little flimsy wore out and I fixed it with brazing (certainly not a solution for everyone). The lower plastic container of the Hario broke on one of them when I dropped it, still useable but it has a huge crack in it.
@dlxmarks4 жыл бұрын
I check out what parts are available from the manufacturers. Burrs for sure should be replaceable.
@leonardpearlman40174 жыл бұрын
David Marks' mortar-and-pestle might last for generations!
@jemrylie4 жыл бұрын
Most of the parts are replaceable even the the burr so it should last you a long time, unless you are being careless.
@drgerm2 жыл бұрын
In 2017, I bought the Javapresse hand grinder from Amazon for $23 US, to travel with my AeroPress. The reasons that I bought it were it's a burr grinder, it was inexpensive, it didn't weigh a ton and the company that sold it was located in my home town. I think the grind size is inconsistent, but the AeroPress is forgiving. I like that it holds 30 grams of beans, which is what I use with the AeroPress, and something that I never thought about when buying it, the funnel for the AeroPress sits on top of the grinder for loading the beans as long as you have it sitting level. My sister adopted it and so I bought another in 2021 for $29 and it only used for travel.
@clericneokun5 жыл бұрын
7:38-8:03 Your 'rhythm' when making coffee is so consistent, it's almost eerie in a way.
@TitoHopia5 жыл бұрын
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@matarg994 жыл бұрын
Dear James, Love your KZbin channel, as engineer I enjoy how you mix science and art in coffee. Question N° 1: I have a cheap grinder, more precisely the Henry Charles / Javapresse model. In this moment I can’t afford a more professional one. My dilemma is: Option 1: Buy coffee grains and grind them daily using my cheap grinder. Option 2: Buy ground coffee grinded in the coffee shop using a professional grinder. I advise 250gr (minimum quantity) lasts me about 20 days (just a cup a day). Question N°2: Extraction yield: Actually I calculate my extraction level with this homemade method: 1 - (weight of initial coffee grounds) / (weight of used coffee grounds, dried completely). Is this method exact? Question N°3: I love my Bialetti Moka Express. I saw your video and use your moka tips (hot water and not pressing the coffee grounds). The problem is that I have an extraction yield of 27%, very high. Is this acceptable? Would you grind coarser to reduce this level? What it a typical extraction yield of a well-made moka coffee cup? Best regards, Mat
@ralph17p4 жыл бұрын
I've spent all my money on a Rocket... may just get a Porlex until I can afford a decent electric grinder. Thanks for the reviews!
@stacks2hell1874 жыл бұрын
Go for a commandante if u don't mind about hand grind 😅 it is same quality as a really Good high end grinder 😁
@Donkey24545 ай бұрын
I've had my Porlex JP-30 for 8 years and it was my go-to grinder until my aunt gave me her broken Baratza Encore that I fixed for cheap a year ago. Grinding by hand gets tiring quick. The Porlex is great for fine grinds.
@GadgetViper5 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the next round! I've been using the Hario Slim for years, last week I treated myself to a Baratza Virtuoso and was was amazed at the improvement in flavours from my V60. I'd happily spend more on a portable grinder if I can get similar results as I do from the Virtuoso. Perhaps you could take a look at the aergrind (it's made in Scotland) The company is called 'madebyknock' I believe it's been designed to fit within an Aeropress which makes it ideal for travel.
@Spiun6665 жыл бұрын
@@jameshoffmann Glad to hear! I was wondering how Aergrind will compare to Wilfa Uniform in terms of grind quality, can't wait for the video! :)
@younsmal48734 жыл бұрын
And compare to the Crushgrind Colombia or Brazil for the non travel one ? And why nobody speak about it ?!
@mytjemo5 жыл бұрын
there’s a hand grinder that’s not much talked about but has connections to la pavoni. it’s called apollo and is made by a business (who named themselves) bplus. it looks pretty solid (...) and the ergonomics of the column-shaped body looks promising!
@SparkHelium5 жыл бұрын
Take a look at the new Hario coffee mill smart G line. Its their new "travel" oriented compact hand mill.
@AllThingsFascinate5 жыл бұрын
You're a real treat! Thank you for the video. I've been furious with the inconsistent grind from the rhino someone recommended. Also trying to pick a better electric grinder! Family offered to buy the grinder of my choice for my birthday! Excellent gift! 👌. . .need to get a budget from them. . .
@Zakariat894 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. I've had the Hario Mini Mill for a while and I loved it. Unfortunately, it fell on the floor and broke. So now I'm thinking of trying a porlex or get a wifa electric one. But I really love handgrinding as being part of my morning ritual so not really excited about going electric.
@lizh19884 жыл бұрын
Seems like electric is potentially louder, too. I have a cheap Mr. Coffee grinder, loud stinker.
@97I30T4 жыл бұрын
@@lizh1988 That's why I have a manual hand grinder. I have to be at work by 5:30 am on a lot of mornings and since I live in an apartment I don't want to piss off my neighbors by loudly grinding my coffee beans at such an ungodly hour. Using a hand grinder is bit more of a pain in the ass but it's so much quieter so I can grind beans whenever I want without upsetting anyone.
@lizh19884 жыл бұрын
@@97I30T lol, I hear you. I hate using mine, it's so loud I put a towel over it when I use it. I forgot I even have the hand grinder--just a pepper grinder that peppercorns came in. My sis was not happy when I started using the pepper grinder for coffee. ✌️😁 (I love coffee. 💕❤️👍)
@elainefillname98563 жыл бұрын
did you use it for an espresso machine?
@DJ-Art-Morris4 жыл бұрын
Ty soo much! This definitely helped to guide my hand 😁. Just discovered your channel recently but a big fan already, excellent production quality and seemingly very straightforward explanations of things that are nuanced and anything but. Keep up the great work you've undoubtably earned my sub.
@gtm5595 жыл бұрын
It's interesting .I have Alocs Chinese brand and it's the same with the 70pounds. But I pay half.great review
@rockabanane3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about buying one of these. But then on this budget you never get a pleasant result like with a real professional grinding machine. So I decide rather to go to a local roastery and buy more frequently small amounts of fresh, perfectly grinded coffee. Thanks a lot, I apprecite these professional reviews
@TheSangyounKim5 жыл бұрын
Hey James. For the upcoming comparison of premium hand grinders, I would love to see the grind consistency comparison using a sifter like you did in the Encore vs Svart comparison. Although it might be a hectic process involving more than 3 or 4 hand grinders. Always enjoy watching your content, thanks.
@LesterMayfly4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed review. I purchased the porlex mini yesterday- excited to give it a try!