The Best Drawing Display I've Tried

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Chapters:
00:00 - Enter Camvas Pro 13 (2.5K)
02:03 - Display
07:57 - Cables
13:47 - Accessories
17:05 - Pen And Glass
22:17 - Drawing Performance
23:55 - Driver/Software
28:25 - General Impression
31:59 - Conclusion
Music: Float - [ocean jams].mp3

[@BoroCG]

Hey everyone! Wanted to mention, the 16-inch version actually has 16x9 ratio, unlike this 13-inch version's 16x10 ratio. So Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) has the resolution 2560x1440, not 2560x1600, and that makes it a wider, more standard display. Which is kinda funny how the smaller 13-inch model technically shows you more pixels than the 16-inch :D

[@BoroCG]

Also, I think I forgot to mention it doesn't have touch input. Only pen input.

[@BoroCG]

And I mentioned you can easily switch the pen input screen and draw on the main laptop's screen, while having something else shown on the Kamvas. What I forgot about is the screen-off mode. So you can draw on it like it's a simple pen tablet without a screen while looking at the main laptop's display. Useful if you're on the go and using the laptop's battery!

[@BoroCG]

Someone asked if the display turns off and on normally with the computer - it does. It shows the Power Saving mode message and the only thing glowing after that is a dim red led next to the power button. When I wake up the laptop, the screen wakes up like a normal monitor

[@BoroCG]

@kae2678 mentioned the response time on Kamvas Pro 16 is 14ms, but it's a standard 25ms on the Kamvas Pro 13. So allegedly you get a snappier latency when drawing on the bigger version

[@BoroCG]

@ragecandy said they had a poor initial activation with new Huion pens (it's when the pen starts drawing at the lightest possible contact with the screen). They mentioned the older Huion pens with that long and soft nib travel had better initial activation. I tested this pen's activation before and haven't noticed any issues, and tested it again now - it is technically possible to touch the screen without drawing, but it's such a light touch a regular pencil wouldn't leave a mark on paper this way. So maybe there is a generation difference in pens from what @ragecandy tested, or maybe there's a higher bar for this stuff in certain art styles, since I don't do a lot of precise line art

[@SwaMusic]

Wow, stopped mid-work to say, what a transition at 12:45!!! 🤯

[@SlinkySlonkyWaffle]

finally, a video thats not gamedev xD love the reviews and painting vids more, miss those days tbh...

[@BoroCG]

I feel like I have to bring painting back, at least monthly or something

[@SlinkySlonkyWaffle]

@@BoroCG yeah, like, i do enjoy the gamedev content since i spent so much time doing 3D work myself, but it defo seems like the OG fanbase was with painting. Not to mention the discord members feeling quite left behind... But you SHOULD prioritize what makes you happy! Maybe a mix of the 2 from time to time would also be fun?

[@RableX3]

@@BoroCG Funny enough, I subscribed after seeing your drawing setup sucks video and binged pretty much all the painting videos in the following weeks. I've enjoyed the game dev videos as well but some painting in between would be great!

[@SylvesterLazarus]

@@BoroCG I stopped watching your videos about game dev after following you since around 2017. I'll always respect your decision for not continuing with painting, but if you ever do some again I'll sure be really happy to see them. You've always been and continue to be one of my biggest role models and I hope to see you make 2d some time.

[@crd7876]

I had the pro 12 back in 2018 - 2019, swapped to iPad Pro because of your videos and have never looked back. The Huion was great, recommended one to my best friend, the 22 inch and he still uses it. Only issue I had was the lamination would be moveable by pressing when cold like winter weather making my house cool.

[@Tenzalt]

i have been using my tablet for a year and a half and i NEVER knew i have been using it at 50% brightness all this time, now i sat it to 100% and oh my god my eyes dont hurt anymore trying to see what im doing

[@kae2678]

was just about to buy this tablet and I love the very extensive long review you put out.

[@kae2678]

my only wish is that the screen was a tiny big bigger like a 14inch but I can just change up the IU so it doesn't take up so much space and get pop up shortcuts

[@kae2678]

Also the response time is 14ms on the kamvas 16 but standard 25ms on the 13 so that's a bit of a bummer.

[@BoroCG]

Interesting, thanks. I did notice in the video the screen wasn't as responsive as my laptop's high refresh rate display. Maybe that's why. I don't feel like the latency is bad, but it's there, especially comparing to Apple Pencil

[@kae2678]

Update: I upgraded this tablet even more by applying the new Paperlike 2.1 screen protector for 12.9 inch ipad (it covered 95% of my screen). Now the drawing experience is sublime, since the original screen seemed a bit slippery to me. It also cancelled out the annoying rainbow effect of the tablet screen

[@harteconn]

Really nice and comprehensive video! I've been using a Huion Kamvas 12 for a long while, and I've never had any issues with it. This video does make me want to upgrade, but I'm not sure if it's necessarily worth it just for that extra inch. I think I'd want to go for the 22 Pro, as those "Pro" features are definitely worth it, but I'd want it more for the screen space. Something else I would recommend checking out from Huion is the Key Dial Mini - it's essentially a small keyboard with a dial on it for changing things like brush size or volume, so you could have all of the shortcuts you use from your keyboard on it in a smaller form factor, that would go well next to the tablet, without needing to go under the stand part.

[@verdedoodleduck]

Hi Boro- Thanks for another great video. I have a huion camvas pro 13 full hd. I've used it for around 3 years daily. I like the drawing experience - the pen feels pretty good on the display. I use mine almost exclusively for reference photos (and as an input drawing device) like you. I lay mine on a vesa mount swivel laptop shelf (

[@Trid3nt861]

Good review.

[@bhimborde5384]

NO PROMOTION STRAIGHT REVIEW 🫡🍻🍻

[@user-cb8dd3rc9z]

16x10 is the superior aspect ratio. I wish more manufacturers would go with it instead of 16x9.

[@BoroCG]

Yes!

[@sadev101]

ive got the previous one. lower res but at that size ive no problems with lower resolution. the fun thing i do with it is connect to my android. and draw on that display and rotate and zoom on phone. (i can run for near two hours on 1 powerbank. so no outlet needed)......works nicely. and then also can hook up to my laptop when im at a desk and wanna do photoshop

[@YulRun]

I have the original 13 (1080) and the pro 24 (4K) from 2022 I just like there products. Work great with little to no hassle

[@carlosemiralonso7997]

If you kindly, tell me about pro 24 (4K). The screen does not ray dont need a protector, right?. I had a normal not display tablet for pc, and I was looking to improve my work flow, people recommend me that one.

[@Mechanoid]

i got gen 1, still great

[@Repligon]

21:38 FYI you can also apply clear screen protector to "remove" matte finish.

[@BoroCG]

Thanks, that's interesting! It might affect the colors and detail, comparing to just a smooth glossy screen

[@Jadebones]

25:30 Lmao! The most valid point I think that I have ever heard.

[@DaneMurdock]

I had one of these and while I think it is great for the price, it has some flaws that I found really irritating. Mostly the pen calibration basically did nothing, or actively made the pen less accurate, and the accuracy near the edges or when I drew at slightly different angles was really bad. Mine also wound up having terrible purple discoloration near the edges after a few months and I wound up returning it. The replacement had dust trapped under the screen, and I ultimately got a refund. I also had a terrible time finding a longer cable that was compatible. The included cable is far too short. To be fair to Huion, the customer service was great. They replaced it, and then ultimately refunded my purchase. And the price/performance is really excellent. But I feel like people should be aware that Huion's quality is still nowhere near even my much older Wacom 13HD cintiq from a decade ago, even though the screen resoltion is much better.

[@sadev101]

i wonder if you can have 2 screens simultaniously connected . that way you could have your layers coors and tools on one screen + reference and draw on the other

[@bigsmokerc]

You can put photoshop palettes on any screen you want, but you won't be able to interact with them while using the tablet, because the pen is mapped to the tablets screen. With a traditional tablet, you could just map it to both screens and simply move the cursor between both. You could *maybe* hit a button to map the tablet to another screen temporarily, make photoshop adjustments with the pen, then hit the button again to remap it to the main window. But that's a lot of extra taps if you're doing it all day.

[@W1ndF4lc0n]

What tablet desk stands d you recommend currently?

[@demonhogo]

I wish this had touch support too.

[@BoroCG]

Yeah would be nice

[@2fortress4you]

I have a question: I checked out the 16 inch version of this display, and its got a brightness of only like 220 lumen, isn't that pretty bad? especially if you want your painting to be very vibrant and bright. i really would love to get this product because of how great the connectivity is - only one cable, super simple. i don't want to use wacom products anymore because with the exception of like one small tablet everything they have requires a massive mess of cables on your desk. would love to hear your opinion on that! i watched most of the video but i dont remember if you specifically mention the brightness

[@BoroCG]

I was also hesitant about that 220 nits, but in practice it's really bright. My laptop's max brightness is higher, but I never use my laptop's screen at more than 50% brightness. Using this Kamvas at 0% most of the time :) In a nutshell: it's quite bright

[@SappingSoup]

Hey Boro, I just wanted to ask, have you changed your mind on screen-less tablets being the best experience for drawing on the pc? When you're on the go, I totally get the need of something like an iPad, but what made you change your mind on a desk pc? Just asking because I'm indecisive about it myself, would love to hear your thoughts!

[@BoroCG]

Yeah I mention in the video, I still use it to draw while looking at the main screen! You can easily switch the pen mapping between screens. And now I also have a second screen below my hand, to look at something else, like references, tutorials, music or video recording software

[@IrocZIV]

On desktops, USB C with video out are pretty rare. Mine has it, but requires me to run a DP cable from my GPU back into my motherboard, for the USB to get the video.

[@BoroCG]

True, but on desktops you can add a card like this: dancharblog.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/61w4aw-wwll._ac_sl1000_1.jpg Yeah, you'll need to get a short DP cable from GPU to this card, which is pretty clean for what it is, honestly

[@BoroCG]

Some GPUs also come with type-c these days

[@IrocZIV]

@@BoroCG Right, I think the RTX 20 series had them.

[@lanzak7677]

Unfortunately when I ordered this tablet from amazon I got a defected product. It wasn't working at all so I had to return it and get a wacom instead. I was really upset because the kamvas one just looked soo much better but oh well :(

[@samalarangaiah486]

Bro just use drawing easel made of metal or wood . It will give full sturdy backing like bigger size canvases like 16 and 22 inches . And you can work like a pro artist. It will give 4 different positions. Even laptop stand is better

[@ShyZShark]

Does this device properly wake up from the computer displays going into power saving mode? My old Huion Kamvas 16 Pro (2018, I think) would always go to a colorful fuzzy display (even after sending it in for an RMA) every time the computer displays woke back up, unless I turned off some settings in my GPU drivers, which took me 3 years to find a solution to online on a dead forum. I always had to power cycle the drawing display to get it to work, it was rather annoying. I loved that Huion, amongst others, were producing fairly competent products for a much, much cheaper price than Wacom, and it'd be nice to know if they've drastically improved in the past half decade. Because we all know they're price gouging a niche market relatively speaking, and some high quality competition would be really nice. Also, thanks for an actual super in-depth review, this should be the standard.

[@BoroCG]

Hi, the device goes to power saving mode when I put my laptop to sleep, and then wakes up with the laptop like a normal monitor. When it's in the power saving mode, the screen is completely off, and the only thing glowing is the dim led next to the power button

[@ShyZShark]

@@BoroCG I was hoping to hear that. Thanks! I hope you can have a great week!

[@Eanakba]

i have the 16 inch version and i never want to upgrade

[@ragecandy]

I think their pens got way worse since they got rid of the slightly springy tip, they had similar initial activation to wacom and now it takes way more force to do a mark so doing really light shading or sketching is way harder... The xp pen ones with the x3 pro chip thing are supposedly better tho, you should get them to send you one

[@BoroCG]

Are you sure the pen in the video is the same gen you tried? I get a perfect init activation. When actively trying, I can technically touch the screen before the line appears, but that's ridiculously light. Like, a real pencil wouldn't leave a mark at that pressure. If I compare it to Apple Pencil, the Pencil activates earlier, but it literally activates before I touch the screen, so that's not better :D

[@BoroCG]

Yeah XPPen's X3 Pro pen sounds exciting, would like to test it one day

[@ragecandy]

@@BoroCG yeah I upgraded from one of their old ones to the 22 plus which had the same pen as this and it was a big downgrade imo I was missing soft lines in my sketches, but I'm super sensitive to iaf, that said I have same model pens from them that feel way different from each other so maybe you got a better one... but yeah anyway I'm back on wacom cause I found a good deal, but before that I was super set on getting the new 16 pro gen 2 from xp pen just cause the 3gram activation force (wacom has 1g I think tho)

[@sinachiniforoosh]

Where can I find that stand 😭

[@BoroCG]

You mean the black plastic stand? That's from XP-Pen: www.storexppen.net/buy/34.html Though official stands like this tend to be overpriced

[@CryptoFeeders]

so this or full hd? any difference other than pixel count?

[@BoroCG]

The panel is different in general, so the colors are better, but all I know is I wouldn't like FullHD, since I like seeing fine textures etc. Even though I don't look at its screen while drawing on it, and only look at it as a secondary screen

[@sefrautiq]

Hey Boro, does this display tablet have tilt wobble? I have Huion HS610 and when I draw my lines with a flat brush at slower speed, the tilt is wobbling (like, the angle of tilt is jittery when moving the pen). You can see this here on PS video: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1hGxLDG4V3HkJHIpt44hYh68w4kLpFMY4

[@sadev101]

no this uses pro pen v3 its superior pen

[@sefrautiq]

@@sadev101 cool

[@hewpow]

What is your laptop?

[@BoroCG]

ROG Zephyrus M16 (2022)

[@hewpow]

@@BoroCG oh wow nice, I could never afford that

[@hoseinak1684]

when you going to start painting like the couple years ago.. :(

[@Hinkyponk]

I'm sorry, but as a Huion stan I have to point out that it's kamvas with a k, not a c 💀

[@BoroCG]

Thank you, all fixed now

[@beholderplay1063]

xp pen 16 pro (2 gen) much better