The Best Kept Secret in SM64 Speedruns

[@EZScape]

You're really good at keeping secrets

[@limetips6719]

oops he split the beans

[@senota6990]

ohp

[@smloader]

just you wait boo 😘

[@SmeagolTheBeagle]

Billy Rogers is pretty good mind

[@SimplyN64]

thanks dad

[@thisisasupersayin376]

"There are areas of the game where lag is inevitable..." "...Or is it?" *FILE SELECT MUSIC PLAYS*

[@SimplyN64]

epic

[@KokoroKatsura]

a n i m e n i m e

[@e3uz]

Is it vsauce like reference?

[@xRaisn]

@@e3uz more like pannenkoek

[@poobman6]

VSauce 64

[@MaximumADHD]

Oh neat, that's my clip at 3:40! Glad to see it was useful in a demonstration :) I made that mod of Roblox while I was an intern working on their engine in 2018.

[@trigger_once]

Nice job looks cool!

[@mogg4243]

The best kept secret is how to unlock Luigi. So secret that NO ONE'S DUNNIT!

[@SimplyN64]

please teach me

[@mogg4243]

@@SimplyN64 read the last sentence of the comment my boy.

[@SimplyN64]

@@mogg4243 do u have any leads

[@mogg4243]

@@SimplyN64 yeah, just check ouuuuuuuuuu Dnidmxdojabxiskekdocmrnjckcmdodckcni *MESSAGE DELETED*

[@Rislear]

Miyamoto knows

[@DarkRijin]

so its kinda like Golden Eye's look-down strat?

[@SimplyN64]

exactly

[@DarkRijin]

Man I love watching these speedrunning strat videos from all these creators! Even though I'm not a speed runner I love learning the mechanics and about the game. So fascinating!! =D Thanks for the video

[@Chroniknight]

That's what I thought too

[@thehonkening1]

@@DarkRijin yeah i haven't played games in years but i love these kinds of videos.

[@JorgetePanete]

it's*

[@ClexYoshi]

I'm suddenly reminded of Lookdown in Goldeneye and how such a strategy nearly upended that game because of how genuinely unfun of a lag reduction strategy it is.

[@jpegwarrior5431]

so you're telling me the ultimate mario 64 speedrun strat is *not looking at the submarine?*

[@SimplyN64]

correct sir

[@BigHit9922]

You have a good mix of comedy/silliness with informative explanations. Keep it up big simp

[@SimplyN64]

thank u very much :) want to be informative while not being too dry! thanks for watching

[@AntechamberVAL]

this channel has gone from a 3 to a 10 in about a week

[@SimplyN64]

that is the goal ^^ thank u very much

[@robinbrown6530]

It just lagged a bit at the start. Simply should have used lag reduction to save himself some lost popularity. :P

[@matthewrease2376]

@@robinbrown6530 oof

[@mysteriousfun4759]

Such a classy exuberant video with great receipts. Perky host. Jazzy low key Lofi lounge music in the background. Gorgeous Mario visuals. Informative fine television

[@SimplyN64]

thank you for watching! glad u enjoyed it :)

[@rarebeeph1783]

If it's the best kept secret, then why do we know about it? hmmmmm

[@SimplyN64]

uh oh...

[@RichConnerGMN]

stop jumping

[@hobbified]

Because there are zero *well*-kept secrets.

[@PhiAce_0]

@@hobbified *that we know of

[@Drogie]

good stuff and thanks for having me 👌🏿 💕 🔵🦟⚪

[@SimplyN64]

thank YOU for helping me out!

[@KallyNui]

Have you ever tested what overclocking the N64 would do? Apparently it is extremely easy to get over a 2x OC. This makes variable frame rate games run at higher frame rates and reduces slow downs in set frame rate games. This isn't perfect, and doesn't apply to all games. However, I don't believe anyone has tried testing it extensively on SM64. Would be great to see.

[@AdamFerrari64]

Drogie 🤮

[@BelianTamashi]

I watch A LOT of SM64 speed run tutorials for someone who's never speed run'd

[@lucacanali7196]

same lol

[@nim64]

nice vid, one thing: dont blame the n64s ram and processing power for the lag problems caused by dumb sm64 devs not checking their makefiles

[@SimplyN64]

thats a good point! i forgot to bring that up

[@jongyon7192p]

this guy decomps

[@shadoninja]

I would like to hear more about this. Are you guys hinting at compiler settings being a problem?

[@warmCabin]

I thought the engine was just poorly optimized?

[@Zetris]

@@warmCabin they used -g instead of -O2

[@brownntx_7600]

Dang I didn’t realize how little subs you had you’re vids are just as well done as anyone elses

[@SimplyN64]

thank you very much :) just getting into making vids like these so we're getting there... glad u enjoyed it

[@Nightcaat]

Everyone has to start somewhere :)

[@JorgetePanete]

else's*

[@dem0n0maniac]

Very cool! Love learning more about speedrunning!

[@SimplyN64]

thanks! glad u enjoyed it :)

[@OfficialNoCoast]

The best kept secret even Simply tried to keep it til he leaked the damn tape

[@SimplyN64]

>.

[@PhiAce_0]

Seekret

[@danpreston564]

I’ve never speed run a game in my life, except perhaps for seeing how fast I could complete the first Pikmin game, I haven’t played any game in years but I find this channel, and also Karl Jobst, endlessly fascinating. Thanks for your content.

[@SimplyN64]

thank you so much for the kind words! im glad you enjoy it :)

[@michapruchnik5187]

Very similar to my case. It looks speed running community have great commentators with good voice color. To Karl Jobst I would add rwhitegoose

[@PressSLEEZE]

You should check out summoning salt then

[@major4k241]

Nice work. Very informative my friend. keep cranking these out.

[@SimplyN64]

thank u for watching! glad u liked it

[@uyu2618]

Todd Rodgers used lag frames to start the race in second gear confirmed

[@SimplyN64]

mind blown

[@SpeedrunFails]

Nice video dad, pls keep making videos

[@SimplyN64]

thanks son, will do :)

[@TinNovaKiin]

*FimpleSlips wants his nickname back*

[@witmilk6527]

Nice video mate, keep this nice and fresh!

[@SimplyN64]

thanks for watching!

[@bettertainmentinc4393]

Very Informative big daddy jones!

[@SimplyN64]

thats the goal baby! thanks for watching

[@combcombo]

i wanna politely make a correction: at 5:42 Big Simp claims it is Nero who is dad, when in fact, it is Big Simp himself who is dad. other than that, great video, very hot.

[@minnesotacubes7911]

Great video and super informative, it’s cool to see how people have really researched every possible time save for this game.

[@jbardugon]

“Well Big daddy Simp-“ 7:43 I spit my breakfast out from laughter thanks

[@wastedbase6421]

I got this in my recommended and I genuinely learned a lot.

[@SATOTEHDOOD]

N64: MY EYES CANT HANDLE THAT MUCH ME: **does lag reduction** N64: Ah, thats better.

[@Coreydangdoe]

It’s invaluable to have this info available in an accessible, easily understandable format. Thank you!

[@carsonlammi8103]

Watched the first four seconds and that was all I needed, thanks Simply 👍

[@matthewrease2376]

This is the kinda stuff that puts me off from trying to speed run games like this lol.

[@SimplyN64]

its actually pretty fun when u get into it

[@matthewrease2376]

@@SimplyN64 I've considered doing Mario World speedruns (specifically 11 exit), but I feel Mario 64 is just too complex for me. I still haven't even beaten the game normally, though if I played it more often I'm sure I could. Only trick I've tried, is BLJ on the endless staircase, and to be fair, it worked!

[@SimplyN64]

@@matthewrease2376 thats a start!

[@benhaney5843]

Wow. I knew about this but the head to comparisons are crazy. They really show the huge difference.

[@huggarugga]

I love you big simp dad, youre a legend

[@SpeedSword6771]

who knew i was using a less laggy camera angle because i thought it looked cool

[@sammydolgin]

the kendrick-sm64 crossover I've been waiting for

[@Theooolone]

3:41 did not expect to see the roblox starter place in a SM64 speedrunning video

[@gqfrisk5727]

Duuude, your vids are good for someone with so little subs. Dubbed immediately

[@pseudonym1515]

The real secret to saving time is TIME ITSELF! Since time flies when you're having fun, just play the game while doing your taxes!

[@MidnightMechanic]

Have you tried just looking down in first person, hugging walls, and tanking damage to get to the end?

[@SimplyN64]

havent tried that, sounds p good

[@KanjoosLahookvinhaakvinhookvin]

Actually the best kept secret is Mario's friend Mips the Rabbit is gay

[@SimplyN64]

wow mind blown

[@OneTrueElihym]

is that really a secret doe 😳

[@regulator062]

If that's the best kept secret then Bowser being gay has to be the worst.

[@lucianostizzoli2676]

J.K.Rowling 64

[@drhall343]

8:12 Go home Mario you're drunk.

[@Smoopadoop]

sm64 speedrun with all rendering turned off, its just a black screen with sound and you have to do it by memory purest lagframe reduction around fellas

[@samszotkowski]

There's blindfolded SM64 speedruns that are essentially that, Simply has a video about it

[@samszotkowski]

There's blindfolded SM64 speedruns that are essentially that, Simply has a new video about it

[@spingthotslayer6642]

3:40 Roblox Kids also learn something too

[@AtomicBoo]

I never understood why mario 64 speedrunners refuse to accept virtual console as a real speedrun platform to play while zelda oot community doesn't give a shit about the platform ur playing, iqueue, japanese virtual, n64 whichever is the fastest at the time its the strat

[@meta04]

because Japanese VC uses the "Shindou" version, which has patched BLJs and many other differences

[@lpfan4491]

people wanted to compete with the japanese people instead of having their own speedmeta. it is a pretty artificial reason,but all the power to people who spend enough money to actually run on n64

[@alfiehicks1]

@@lpfan4491 Enough money? An N64 and a Super Mario 64 cartridge hardly breaks the bank.

[@lpfan4491]

capture card,converters,etc.

[@alfiehicks1]

@@lpfan4491 Ah, I didn't consider that.

[@SuperSniffen]

Grats on the World Record man

[@aBetterMove]

As a runner with lag in a game of my own it is wonderfully interesting to see how another community grapples with this purely for technical interest. At 7:21 shouldn't you though divide by 29.97 though rather than 30, if that's the framerate of the game?

[@SimplyN64]

yes, good point

[@SkyeBerryJam]

Nothing will ever top the feel that an N64 controller has on an N64 game

[@iProgramInCpp]

I think the Shindou version has optimizations enabled upon compilation, there should be categories for that. 2:32 Modern PC games also do this. In fact, popular game APIs like MonoGame and Unity give you a "delta time" since the last frame to better adjust for lag. Unity also adjusts it's physics accordingly, but it is up to the developer to adjust the physics in MonoGame. The Super Mario 64 PC port mod with unlocked FPS actually uses this very method to adjust for speedups.

[@Slerndog]

4:22 had me dying

[@Vekstar]

This video is going to get big.

[@SimplyN64]

that would be cool

[@IamTheGreatCornholioo]

finally I understand what no save is about :D

[@dennerdoe]

big dad JONES with the straight facts

[@SimplyN64]

holy shit its denner

[@Znernicus]

I guess because I speedrun DK64 on N64 it never seemed like a secret to me that runners will focus on lag reduction in other N64 games, but it's cool to see some of the concrete examples explained. I actually copied SM64's swimming lag reduction strat of looking to the side when running through DK64's water level, Gloomy Galleon.

[@ElfinaAshfield]

4:26 Kendrick Lamar ref lol

[@Tundric_Schwolf]

*Cries in PAL*

[@nitrax8629]

At least the PAL version has less lag to begin with - the slowdown in dire dire docks is virtually unnoticable!

[@mapleham5633]

Question! Does the expansion pak have any noticeable effect whatsoever when speedrunning the game?

[@nitrax8629]

Doubt it even uses it at all, probably no.

[@t1glistenerelf]

No, it does not, sadly. I wish, though.

[@AzakielRuns]

3:40 is that Runescape???

[@SimplyN64]

roblox

[@Bolpat]

The fact that you have to do lag reduction is because the game shipped with a debug build, not an optimized release build. Back then, the optimizers in compilers were unreliable and introduced bugs. There are versions of SM64 out there with better graphics and less lag (if at all). This is not the same as saying the game is bad. Compilers were bad. Letting the best orchestra play Beethoven’s best piece on garbage interments won’t sound nice either.

[@TinCanTap]

they did this not on accident but because the programmers were new and didnt know how to handle the errors created by -02 optimization in C compilers so they opted for -g optimization (none)

[@TheIrishBub]

Couldn't tell you the last time I watched a 4:3 youtube video.

[@nickz1lla]

Would modified n64’s with more powerful parts be against the speed running rules?

[@nickz1lla]

LunarX64 if you speedeun in the switch would it be against the rules? I know no one will speed run on there cause it’s the newer version that removed backwards long jumps but would it be?

[@ThatRaisinTho]

TechNickL the version on the switch is part of its own seperate leaderboard.

[@tombradydeflates8313]

Dang wish I watched this video years ago. I've had many questions over the past year that were all answered in this video

[@JakeRanney]

Nice Snakeybus music :)

[@Bericula]

"The N64 is no powerhouse." Kaze:

[@cedrick25]

Ooooo, another gem!

[@lucacanali7196]

well now it ain't a secret anymore

[@Yoshistar95]

Really cool to see how speedrunners can save time purely by using lag reduction, but yeah I expect some camera angles are actually awkward to use, until you get used to it. Just only didn't knew how much impact it has in JRB and DDD, I was aware of massive lag, but a full minute? Wow! Now of course lag reduction also exists in MK64, done by zooming out in 150cc runs, except it wasn't discovered until like 2014-2015 (iirc) that this was a thing, crazy fact is that the first to utilize this strat was Dotman, who was known to cheat in other Mario Kart titles in the past. Kinda crazy how some stuff are discovered, like how shells can't hit you when shoot backwards (still hits cpu), which was discovered not too long ago (but who would test that out of the blue anyway? lol) or even a backup wrong warp in Yoshi Valley (making shortcut runs more doable)

[@joshuahudson2170]

I wonder what would happen to the community if somebody managed a nearly 2:1 overclock of the N64 hardware. Liquid cooling isn't cheap, but you just know somebody's gonna try it sooner or later.

[@lxdicrous4413]

Very good video i enjoyed it alot

[@davidhilsee]

3:41 I didn't know that was how roblox loaded

[@Forcoy]

Thats why roblox runs so fast. It unrenders non viewed object on the client

[@Kovatheauthor]

Was curious as to what the background music was but the link in the description doesn’t work. Anyone know?

[@kelPrins]

but in EMU you can set counter factor to 1 to reduce lag, so wouldn't that be free time save?

[@SimplyN64]

yes, however its basically set in stone that top players play on N64, not EMU

[@katraena5225]

3:41 wow...8 years of roblox experience and i JUST discovered it does that :o

[@SimplyN64]

its very common in many 3d games!

[@katraena5225]

@@SimplyN64 i knew that..i just didnt realize it was a feature in roblox...

[@SimplyN64]

@@katraena5225 ahhh i see

[@JackBond1234]

1:55 So lag frames render more frames in less time?

[@SimplyN64]

uhhhh i think that's accurate? what do you mean

[@JackBond1234]

@@SimplyN64 I thought lag frames would mean that each frame is displayed for longer, causing fewer frames to display in more time.

[@SimplyN64]

@@JackBond1234 yes thats true

[@weckar]

Doesn't SM64 use the extra memory from the Expansion Pak at all?

[@SimplyN64]

good question, not that im aware

[@Valientlink]

unfortunately this isn't appreciated often in games like OoT ;/

[@SimplyN64]

is there much lag reduction like when 100% was in n64? i feel like with the way that camera works etc makes it harder

[@nostrnastr9439]

Thank you for a good video

[@SimplyN64]

thank you for a nice comment :) glad you liked it

[@19Szabolcs91]

I wonder if this means the Virtual Console version will get more popular later on. It is simply not as fun to play like this, and especially to watch the game like this.

[@nseddie3884]

SM64: Lag: I am Inevitable

[@Ethan23544]

my emulator lags in DDD even when I change my camera angle and its way worse than shown in this video... i think they did something to make it more realistic but it fucked it up even more.

[@weinsim3856]

What's the name of that background music???

[@someguylostontheinternet4504]

do Lag Frames Exist in VC And Emulator as Well?

[@SimplyN64]

no they do not

[@TinNovaKiin]

Basically SM64 is like some child you tell that "if you don't see it, it doesn't exist"

[@AdamFerrari64]

I respect lag reduction techniques and even do them occasionally on VC to honor the community but could never learn to play on N64 unfortunately.

[@PopADoseYo]

I was the same way. But the n64 controller alone makes running the game much easier.

[@AdamFerrari64]

PoPaDoseYo I’ve had great comfort in the Gamecube controller. It’s the best controller in history in my opinion.

[@McGillicuddy849]

this is confusing to me, i thought that SM64 did not use the N64 tho its full power because the game was finished before the console was

[@simpson6700]

yeah, it's so well kept, that i even do it on emulator, just because.

[@jaredthegem9398]

5:49 I dont like to talk about the second option

[@woahitsben]

your videos own

[@bencolley5618]

Amazing vid

[@1ted59]

Wow sm64 devs installing a lag switch smh

[@stevenlockhart9255]

Beginning of video "lag frame is .3 seconds" Halfway into video... "Each lag frame is .18 seconds"

[@ballchange11]

3:40 is that the default Roblox user place?

[@davidhilsee]

Yep

[@TheElswer]

In the end, it will all come down to lag reduction, and the runs will look extremely counter-intuitive.

[@torbiboy3623]

Fun fact: The poly count of sm64 isn't even that high. Nintendo could have reduced near to any lag using code optimization.

[@Yngdady]

What the *pauses for censor beep*

[@idontcheckmynotifications]

Wait wait wait, are you saying that SM64 targets 60FPS? I actually never knew that. Edit: I think I misunderstood but I'm amused anyway Also DK's feet having that triangle fur so sharp and long terrifies me ahhhhhhhhhh

[@peternorth824]

does this concept also need to be done with emulators?

[@iexist1300]

Most emulators are powerful enough for it to be unnecessary.

[@danieljensen2626]

Has anyone ever used lag frames to make frame perfect tricks easier though?

[@SimplyN64]

not that I'm aware

[@AvatarofNyx]

The lag frames stocks!

[@demonsweatthings8493]

4:21 ..im sorry?

[@im_a_stain7874]

back when his yt videos weren’t just clipped vods Sadge