The BEST Machine Guns in the Game (Over 1 Million Damage) | Destiny 2 Lightfall

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We tested Grand Overture, Deterministic Chaos, Thunderlord, Xenophage, Heir Apparent, and other legendary machine guns in the search for the best Machine Gun DPS in Destiny 2. And now, we have our answer. Check it out.
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
2:00 Setup
3:31 Thunderlord
5:20 Deterministic Chaos
7:12 Deterministic Chaos + Lunafaction
8:13 Xenophage
9:31 Heir Apparent
11:42 Retrofit Escapade + Boss Spec
15:12 Retrofit Escapade + Boss Spec + Volatile Rounds
16:40 Grand Overture
21:26 Unwavering Duty + Adept Big Ones
22:36 Sweet Business
24:05 Circular Logic + Origin Hones + Defiant Armory
26:25 + Unraveling Rounds + Boss Spec
27:04 + Arcane Needle
29:08 Summary & Final Numbers
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[@ninthfriend3347]

The lmg buffs were a blessing in the beginning of lightfall. I've been enjoying them a lot and use them as "primaries" while being able to run double special. They may not be the best option for dps options but for the rest, they're really solid.

[@mythicaldragon2260]

This. It’s been a lot of fun man. With double special you basically have infinite heavy drops and they can hold so much ammo now man.

[@Nova-if1dq]

They are kinda some of the best in the game for dps atm

[@flamingscar5263]

I do see their boss damage being nerfed, rn they can do everything, ad clear, champion killing, and boss DPS, they may not be the best for boss damage, but they are really good, so I see Bungie leaning more into them being "heavy primary weapons"

[@justifano7046]

Bungie's classic create the problem sell the solution strategy. Only reason MG was so bad, was because bungie nerfed them into the ground with shadowkeep. believe.

[@Nova-if1dq]

@@flamingscar5263 im kinda happy with the current variety of weapons people are using for dps, i feel like if they nerf lmgs everyone is just going to only use rockets again

[@manynukes11]

Gotta love how Deterministic Chaos is just sitting at 1/3 of Grand Overture's damage

[@warv6552]

@@rtrease45 You can get the same thing by throwing a vortex grenade

[@flamingscar5263]

@@rtrease45 div gives the same and if your using weapons that can deal crit damage then you use div If your using weapons that can't do crit damage, well then your using rockets and that means you replace your div user with gjally

[@Screeno1993]

It's crap. Imo, the 4th shot should do more damage like twice the damage and the 16th shot do even more damage like 8x damage

[@abhinandhari7812]

theres also an issue with the 4th bullet not doing dmg too

[@masonwillms2542]

If deterministics effects were switched, it still wouldnt be great but itd be better

[@huegofarley4684]

Machine guns have come a long way

[@legoshi6531]

Wish they could come deeper and stronger 😔😔

[@RayHinson_MorningScar797]

Yes they have

[@sayyedzarrar]

@@legoshi6531 huh👀

[@crutchmeta8816]

@@sayyedzarrar yk what he talkin about😏

[@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm2528]

​@@legoshi6531 dawg 🤨

[@voidrendx6601]

I love that his editors just rebel against every instruction. Never seen them before but I can just imagine the smug look as they find a way to troll

[@Saiyanprince1114]

Jez's editors do that shit too. I love it 😂

[@voidrendx6601]

@@Saiyanprince1114 Jez is usually the one who edits his stuff if I remember correctly. It’s why his upload schedule is so shot to pieces and we didn’t get videos from him for months lmfao. So that’s literally just jez being a troll. Or he may have editors and I have no idea just going off what he’s said. Lol

[@Le_Canker]

​@@voidrendx6601 he has editors, he used to edit himself.

[@mephilees7866]

There is something magical about cross doing damage tests... it's addictive...

[@Ysidoroh]

Yeah it's easily my fav bit of content he puts out.

[@chillhour6155]

We're Destiny nerds

[@largepurplemonkey]

It's his smug face when he knows something has done well, before the damage numbers come up, that makes it for me.👌 Also thank you for saying it's 'addictive' and not 'addicting'

[@NCamico]

Retrofit Escapade has to be up there with Hammerhead and 21% Delirium for absolutely godlike Legendary machine guns.

[@Psyshimmer]

I see Commemoration as the spiritual successor to Hammerhead and RE as the spiritual successor to 21%

[@ASaucyFinger]

@@Psyshimmer agreed, crafted version with reconstruction and killing tally, and the void damage seasonal damage mod, its proving to be a nasty machine gun.

[@Amirifiz]

I have a personal favorite in Corrective Measure with Rewind Rounds and High Impact Reserves. Half the time I just lay on the trigger and go, "how long have I been firing?"

[@chillhour6155]

21 delirium could still be used in that damage test, just out of curiosity ofc

[@jasonward1312]

@@Amirifiz exact same roll here. Love it.

[@BrougeGG]

Hammerhead walked so these other MGs could run.

[@TheFreakKid12]

One thing to make a note of for actual play is how much ammo they have left after the damage phase, retrofit was 3rd (2nd if you don't/can't prime Grand Overture) and it still had around half of its total ammo thanks to Fourth Times compared to the others which were near out, so if you can't find more ammo (or only find a little bit) for before the next damage phase it will still be able to do well.

[@Welverin]

Secret ammo economy is what made linears so good for as long as they were. Not only were heavies efficient in their own right, when paired with Arbalest you got good backup dps if you ran out of heavy and doubled up on finders. You were never in a situation where you had to plink away with some ad clear weapon.

[@domagojgalekovic8507]

You could also argue Xeno is the best cause there's not that many dps phases that last this long.

[@tylermiller8936]

I regularly use Retrofit when people use Thunderlord. I pair it with Witherhoard and I usually break 2.5 mil. It’s so good.

[@StingBear]

Suggestion for these test: When you show the result screen, can you put a colored border around the newest entry, just so it's a bit easier to see where it is?

[@mrsickwick]

2nd this

[@Frodo_swagginsX]

Third this

[@luciomainbtw7064]

Fourth this

[@vhanila3402]

5th this

[@ShadowHawk44]

6th this

[@TiberiumNeko]

Thunderlord is one my favorite Exotics for a long time, I used it a lot in D1. Such a nice feeling when your favorite weapon feels even better and stronger.

[@itsnotjayboi]

hell yeah same I call it my ol reliable

[@QuantumBeard]

Ngl I wouldn't even be mad if they brought back Abaddon that causes Scorch instead of lightning strikes and reloads on Ignites and Nova Mortis that causes Volatile and reloads on Vol explosions Loved all three back in D1.

[@uncoveredkhan09gaming38]

​@@QuantumBeard they probably wouldn't do that since thunderlord doesn't do jolt, it's just an extra chunk of damage

[@nineroots9147]

I got it randomly when I first started playing D2 and it just blew my mind how much damage it did , it carried me through so much 🤣

[@QuantumBeard]

@@uncoveredkhan09gaming38 fair point tbh Kinda brainstormed that as I wrote it just tryna think of how Bungie would do them if they ever brought them back for whatever reason

[@angelousmortis8041]

What this damage test told me: They could totally give Sweet Business Explosive Payload and Target-Lock and it would be hilarious for DPS phases.

[@wetswordfighter]

guess what? they gave it explosive payload (in a sense)

[@arvo_septus]

Whenever you test MGs you always forget about Killing Tally. You just have to pop 3 adds before you fire on the boss and it will stay up the whole time without worrying about missing or timming out.

[@Woody_8]

Would really like to see reconstruction + killing tally commemoration. KT is an amazing perk exactly for the reason you mentioned and i believe it’s 10% per stack for PvE x-> 30% weapon buff for the whole damage phase?! Love that perk combo.

[@MichaOstrowski]

Also use something like Rain of Fire for reloading without losing stacks

[@dadesmith1892]

Transversives cheats it

[@Adam-hd6cy]

@@Woody_8 commemoration can roll killing tally and reconstruction

[@secret1566]

While I'm grateful that Sweet Business didn't beat Deterministic Chaos (its a primary vs a heavy it shouldn't have been close to begin with), the fact that even average rolled legendary options beat it out is not good. This gun does not seem like tractor or Div, it doesn't behave entirely like a support weapon so it seems like it needs a buff to hold out with the other options. (also kinda wish terminus horizon got a test in there, I have one with triple tap/target lock and would've loved to see how something similar stacked to the others)

[@uncoveredkhan09gaming38]

If they made the weaken 30% it probably still wouldn't make people use it

[@zferolie]

man with the rumored sweet buisness buff coming next season can it pass Chaos? only time will tell. Honestly, if Chaos gets its catalyst, 4th times the charm, that alone will help it a lot. it needs a little more then just that, but that is a nice buff. I feel like Chaos should have a bit stronger weaken maybe. not tractor canon or tether levels, but halfway towards it. give it like 20-25% weaken

[@telephones3]

​@@zferolie what buff is SB gonna get?

[@zferolie]

@@telephones3 Sweet business is rumored/leaked to fire explosive rounds every 20 bullets with the bullets required being lower at full speed. With Acitum war rig and depending on how many bullets it requires at full speed and the damage of the explosions, thats a lot os explosions. It could be a monster at destroying yellows and champs, and also be a nice back up for bosses.

[@Nova_Jan]

It needs target lock on the catalyst lmaoo

[@AOD4397]

always bring Grand Overture for solo flawless, that thing really melt boss if you know how to setup missle before DPS phase :D

[@Darknessblade4me]

I run overture for nez. Around 2,8 mio without setting up a rocket salvo first. It's a great gun and seems to be slept on

[@kingcurmudgeon8685]

@@Darknessblade4me I dont think anyone is sleeping on it. It just feels awful to use.

[@Darknessblade4me]

@@kingcurmudgeon8685 10 slugs, rocket mode, 10 slugs, rocketmode. Pretty easy imo. Only things that may feel not great is the handling and reload (but latter is a general drawback on lmgs)

[@uncoveredkhan09gaming38]

​@@Darknessblade4me how you use and how the gun feels are two different things, it feels like a way more chaotic and clunky xenophage to me and xeno already feel ls fairly clunky

[@Darknessblade4me]

​@@uncoveredkhan09gaming38 to be fair these two are more akin to automatic cannons than machineguns. So approaching them the same way you´d go about thunderlord or any legendary lmg is a guarnateed bad time. it´s like using anarchy as any other grenade launcher. it wont work well

[@LayoffGaming]

Commemoration with reconstruction is my go to. Great with the void perks we have this season.

[@ashrahkitano6290]

Kinda wonder why that wasn't in the test ...

[@LayoffGaming]

@@ashrahkitano6290 He does mention not having a crafted roll, and his roll is a 4/5. Would be cool seeing where it lands, but let’s be honest, nothing is out powering Thunderlord and Grand Overture right now.

[@nightrava]

@@LayoffGaming Maybe.... But I bet my commemoration with reconstruction and killing tally at x3 with boss mod would do pretty good

[@LayoffGaming]

@@nightrava Definitely! It is a powerful LMG and syncs so well with void builds!

[@grizzlybehr1902]

The LMG that comes from the Spire Of The Watcher is phenomenal as well. Rapid hit + target lock, or even Avalanch from Dawning with Ambitous Assassin and Target Lock/Incandescent Thanks for the continuous content buddy 🤙 keep killin it Be kind Guardians, stay safe and take care of each other

[@Saul_Aura_Jester]

It can roll triple tap and target lock

[@mateominiati5256]

Thing about target lock, is that you need something to add ammo back into the mag, so that you can take advantage of its perk more. Hell, it won't even reach x5 unless you have a perk that refunds ammo back to the mag. That's the reason why retrofit is very good with 4ttc, since it boosts the actual mag by about 55% (not even considering actium)

[@Morionite]

I wonder what the damage number would be like if Cross was actually hitting his crits~ Divinity applies a debuff to the target and then the bubble is just an extra crit spot but on this Orge, the bubble will be behind/in the Orge's body when it's moving. Cross should have just been aiming at the boss face more since it's literally the same massive crit spot as the bubble. You can see several times during testing Cross was getting two numbers a lot and was mostly getting the low number. Thunderlord could have been way more and Retrofit probably wouldn't have needed the reload in either runs, cause no way adding volatile ruined the damage. (I know Cross says the other run was perfect but that's mostly cause the boss stopped moving in front of the crystal and the bubble was mostly still.)

[@HumzyTumzy]

i love these videos so much its like im rooting for the weapon to do well. i got so happy seeing retrofit break 1.5 million 😭

[@cheeky524]

Thank you for the testing. Was wondering if maybe you could add a highlight on the newest value of the big list of damages after each test. Just to help some old people eyes to not pause and search the list :)

[@neekumikuvt328]

We wiggle, we dance, we give Xenophage a chance

[@rhouxfang4172]

I noticed you were missing the div bubble quite a lot in some of these tests. If you watch the numbers, there is some crazy fluctuations where you'll see like 3k then 6k.

[@mateominiati5256]

An old LMG that I'd like to see tested is Shattered cypher, from season of the splicer. Could roll with ALH + Surrounded. Surrounded being a 40% damage buff, and ALH proc (2.5s) being faster than an actual reload could be an interesting prospect in the right fights. Testing here would be ideal, though I don't know if well of radiance would kill the thralls surrounding the player when it is dropped. Another option I'd like to see is Thermal Erosion with Demolitionist and starfire, been running this a couple times in RoN and it has been pumping some serious damage. The best part about this, is that you don't depend on witherhoard damage to refund your grenades, so it works even if somebody else is running wither. 2 other competitors to throw into the ring.

[@Lurkin17]

I did this exact damage test on the same boss before the raid dropped. Most of my clan dismissed thunderlord, but I got very close to starfire demo wither shenanigans. T lord was 2 million with surges in a well and div. Starfire demo was 2.3M. A good tip for xeno is to pair it with starfire warlock, purely because of what we saw with you running out of ammo

[@OliSmith111]

While obvious, I think it's worth noting that thunderlord is the only one that any class/exotic would have the same numbers on. That catalyst easily makes it the best lmg here

[@1votdopeningfan138]

Its also the only one relying on the Buggy Interaction with div to Provide its dps. Without that Bug warlocks and Hunters need to reload and everyone looses a chunk of damage aswell

[@parsus7797]

​@@1votdopeningfan138 what about the interaction is buggy?

[@1votdopeningfan138]

@@parsus7797 If the Boss is div Bubbled each Thunderstrike will Hit twice, once for the Boss and once for the div Bubble. This Doubles the damage you get from the thunderstrike while vastly improving how often you gotta reload. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXbbd5lrYtpra80 This is a Video done by Imagine where He does His damage with a Well and 3x Arc surge (and lunas) but without div. Theoretically He should Hit more as 3 Arcsurges come Out to a 1.22x damage increase where div is only a 1.15x increase. However He Hits 1.2m in one Phase which is far lower than atztecross is hitting. Obv there will be a few missed crits Here and there on both Sides but likely more for Imagine, however given that He should be hitting more damage If everything was working normally this discrepency is insane. Take Note how much He has to reload aswell because the normal amount of thunderstrikes Register. TLdr: tlord got hard carried by its Buggy Interaction with div in this Test.

[@itswaters8970]

@@1votdopeningfan138hunters don’t have to reload bc of combat dodge

[@1votdopeningfan138]

@@itswaters8970 that still looses dps because you a) have the dodge animation which isnt 0 seconds long and b) it needs to spin up once again

[@DukeOfGondor]

I think there is something to be said about the ease of use of Thunderlord, and how much 3x arc surge does to the damage of that gun.

[@DM78]

Thunderlord does ungodly damage so easily to single targets. The chain lightning proc AoE is just extra chef's kiss.

[@matbro95]

I'm excited to finally get my Heir Apparent next week :)

[@Sword_of_Saint_14]

I missed it last year on my new account 😭😭

[@Dezmante2]

Cross, since your on Strand you should pair the grenade throw reload fragment with this DPS test. I mean I doubt it'll be a huge difference but just an idea

[@stoicbartender]

Machine guns have been my favourite weapon type from destiny 1 for all these years and have come a long way in all this time. I’m so happy that they’re finally viable and have a place in the meta. Heir apparent has been my favourite exotic for 3 years and I got 33k kills on it

[@philsagget5343]

The LMG from spire with extended mag, triple tap and target lock is real nice

[@snadthe4671]

Wouldn’t retrofit just be better though because of faster fire rate and fourth times instead of triple tap

[@Moecean]

Still rocking my corrective measure! Super good this season with the easy volatile rounds.

[@ScottHChen]

I’d love to see Terminus Horizon (triple tap / target lock) and how it stacks against these machine guns. Thank you for doing these damage tests!

[@Kinterlude]

The tweaks to Machine Guns have made them my favorite heavy easily. Deterministic Chaos on a Gyrfalcon/Orpheus Rig Hunter is so fun. Once the seasonal artifacts are gone, DC will definitely get more love for sure. Also; DC is not meant to be dealing damage like crazy. It's more meant as a support weapon to weaken enemies for your teams. That with Deadshot is pretty wild.

[@chickenjimmy6552]

Bro DC won't get any love until it gets a solid buff. The thing's dps and total damage are so low that it's even bad against ads

[@Geechi_]

@@chickenjimmy6552it’s a Divinity with much higher DPS. If you’re fighting a boss that’s easy to crit or doesn’t have a crit for some reason DC is just a better Div

[@Kinterlude]

@@chickenjimmy6552 It's more of a support weapon than a damage dealing exotic similar to tractor cannon. This thing melts ads, no need to exaggerate. Running this with Hunter in higher level activities including Master Lost Sector is incredibly easy and viable with the proper build. But you can't play this like it's a Thunderlord or Circular Logic.

[@Darknessblade4me]

Personally i hate the recoil on every fourth shot. It feels like the gun has hiccups.... Its just obnoxious.

[@chickenjimmy6552]

​​@@Kinterlude understand what it's supposed to do, but it serves no practical purpose. Its the same debuff as div, which is a special weapon that has more ammo, more uptime, and creates a crit. In 3 player teams DC is useless against bosses because it's dps is so low that it's 15% buff is outweighed, and in a 6 player team nobody uses it because it's the lowest debuff possible. It's bad in low level activities because nobody needs a debuff, and it's bad in high level activities because with it's absurdly low dps and ammo econ, you can't even kill ads efficiently. It's bad against champs because you need burst damage (and it has no native champion breaking). It's bad with gyrfalcons because it completely nullifies half of the exotic perk. It's bad with Orpheus because tether outranks DCs debuff (weapons like wish ender, revision zero, and quicksilver are better because you get 100% tether uptime). Deterministic Chaos has no place in D2. Just use Divinity and a real lmg

[@crazydave152]

Deterministic only gets extra dmg from the volatile since youre using div already.

[@churchofsmile]

13:18 instructions unclear, putting the house on eggplant futures

[@codyschlenker6821]

Retrofit is best because it only has a little lower dps, but much higher total damage. It had a ton of ammo left. Plus you can pair it with witherhoard for significant more damage.

[@tylermills4818]

I used grand overture last season in my solo flawless spire against persys and it slapped but now its even better.

[@LeffHynebridge]

Heir is a fantastic utility weapon. Maybe not meta boss dmg but excellent in lots of other situations

[@waywardson8474]

It's my go to when I'm pugging it. There's always one or two people that die, and being able to rez them without worrying is amazing.

[@ivan197]

Xenophage catalyst giving it field prep would be game changing, but not game breaking

[@joshn3579]

or bungie could just increase its reserves a bit

[@starlightthewolf6612]

I like using Circular Logic in my mock Starfire Strand build. Threadling 'nades, Witherhoard, Thread of Generation, and demo Circular Logic is just so much fun for me, especially with Swarmers being the cherry on top

[@hellothere-dk4gg]

You could try the one from spire. Pretty sure it rolls demo wellspring for more regen, or a damage perk instead of having demo in 4th slot on circular logic

[@starlightthewolf6612]

@@hellothere-dk4gg I'll consider that thanks, demo is just so it reloads when I throw my 'nade

[@hellothere-dk4gg]

@@starlightthewolf6612 that'll be great with terminus horizon, you can get demo/target lock or demo/cascade point, just an added bonus imo

[@styleswg]

Please do this every season when you do damage testing. This was amazing!

[@raysolo137]

Cross Commemoration has fttc + firing line. Wanted to see its damage too.

[@adambowmar9273]

That's the one I wanted to see. 👀

[@Dylan-xv4yv]

I liked the 21% Delirium a lot with his 900 rpm, you could clear the field so fast. Sad Bungie decided to leave it behind ...

[@marcotibayanmalone7158]

Shoutout to all of the editors. Ya'll are absolutely phenomenal 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@kohlb69]

Id like to see triple tap + target lock terminus horizon on the next dps test

[@slushbrain8495]

Why he didnt do super good advice?

[@Creation_999]

Wonder what that would look like in d2 since most legendary do that with actium

[@danielpercent5434]

Im so happy the heir apparent did better then what everyone was expecting. :,)

[@Chyguy]

IMO the best thing going for Retrofit, and the reason I use it over all the rest is that in most boss DPS phases you will probably not even get through 2 full mags of ammo. Gives you a lot to work with in later phases, where most other weapons - namely Thunderlord - would be struggling on ammo after any DPS phase.

[@supersizesenpai]

12:17 Ogre needs to give that thrall a raise. 🤣🤣

[@angelousmortis8041]

Wouldn't Envious Assassin + Target Lock be better for Circular Logic than Pulse Monitor + Target Locked? It can give you a 150% increase to your mag size.

[@dadesmith1892]

I was thinking the same

[@XxkrazymagexX]

That grand ovt with triple surge mods and the battle harmony would be pretty nutty . Id like to see someone do that.

[@gamingoverlord8854]

mantle of battle harmony doesn't stack with well of radiance.

[@XxkrazymagexX]

I didn't say with a well ? I said with triple surges and the battle harmony it would be nutty. Also if you had a teammate make you radiant that could counteract that because it does stack with radiant or teather 30% weaken. Shit you can even do both. Definitely some crazy options for maximizing DPS .

[@gamingoverlord8854]

@@XxkrazymagexX It also doesn't stack with radiant. It also doesn't stack with the empowering rift. It USED to stack with radiant, but never with the empowering rift.

[@tankistae7292]

Retrofit with Lunafaction would have added some extra dmg. Xenophage maybe if you could generate bricks near the crystal could work.

[@JessicaHelgerson]

I feel that pain with his actium war rig I accidentally deleted my God roll frosty's the other day so now I'm stuck with a pair from collections.

[@oxex6662]

I lost my house to eggplant gambling

[@NunyaBidness590]

I love Machine Guns! From bosses to add clear, so versatile and user friendly!

[@Jake-of-All-Trades]

Qullim’s Terminus with ensemble, firing line, and runneth over is fantastic when near your fireteams. It feels wildly good. On Machine Gun surge it it’s about 10k per crit with firing line active. Nasty. Pairs well with Stasis and will be great when Titans can easily farm charges for stasis surge.

[@BottomDollarandaDream]

Would've loved to see terminus horizon with appended, triple tap, target lock for a comparison between rapid ,adaptive, high impact frames

[@goldspartan6594]

I know this sounds dumb, but Cross’s boss damage videos get me more hyped that 85% of the other videos on KZbin. When Grand Overture broke 2M I was fist pumping, yipping, and shouting “eat it up” while air miming eating a bowl of ice cream. This is peak entertainment.

[@infinitedeath1384]

It feels great to have machine guns that are viable for damage now. Thunderlord has such good ease of use, and damage with 3 arc surges + jolt. Best part is if you pair it with iterative loop, use that to jolt the boss, you start doing an absolute ton of damage. Yaaa!!

[@SteelShad0w_]

Ok this is so much more entertaining than the normal damage tests imo, REALLY hope this format makes some returns in the future 🍆

[@HalberdierHyperion]

This was some of the best content I’ve seen in a long time. The eggplant gambling on the damage tests was funny to watch.

[@DARTHRULER1]

I was using thunderlord with catalyst with two arc surge mods in kings fall against warpriest without div. I was doing the most damage every time. Machine guns are back man.

[@tristan62099]

Deterministic Chaos is NOT a DPS Weapon, its mainly for Add Clear & to be used as a Divinity Replacement

[@Coszmoo]

It’s sucks at both

[@swainthemedic]

@@Coszmoo Try it in Gambit. It seems to be useful there.

[@tristan62099]

@@Coszmoo Volatile Flow + Void Burn + Bricks From Beyond Would Like to Say Hello, im was clearing Master LS with a higher power deficit no problem. Use the gun

[@Coszmoo]

@@tristan62099 bricks and flow isn’t staying forever, commemoration does the whole add clear job 100% better just admit the gun sucks

[@tristan62099]

@@Coszmoo I will now be maining this weapon for the rest of Lightfall just to Spite you specifically

[@angrysquirrel8816]

Were you losing dps between bubbles? In some, especially the unwavering duty one, you were only doing half damage, and with retrofit it looked like you were losing target lock, not on the buff, but on the numbers

[@Amirifiz]

I think he's hitting the chin and not the bubble. It's really noticeable with the Trials LMG. He does 3k some shots and 6 k others

[@angrysquirrel8816]

@@Amirifiz i saw a 7k at some point

[@Texmatt21]

I would love to see circular logic with a full 3x envious assassin mag with target lock!

[@evanpatterson2607]

Bro u teased us with that commemoration. Reconstruction killing tally is mine and I love it!

[@ar-rafatmiah1634]

Problem with this boss is the divinity cage sometimes goes inside him, and so a lot of shots don’t count as crit. You can literally see numbers switching between body shots and crits

[@SuperFunduck]

Deterministic should have a higher debuff like maybe 20 or 25

[@Creation_999]

Should have 30

[@h13n12]

if they swapped the buff and volatile round number the gun would be a lot more viable.

[@SuperFunduck]

The only reason I didn’t say 30 is cause of my love of tractor and not wanting it to be surpassed lol.

[@cannedsquasher5923]

​@@SuperFunduck Yeah I don't think it should be 30 cause tractor is much closer range & I'm pretty sure DC does more damage than it with the full mag.

[@firenzarfrenzy4985]

I've used, tested, and thoroughly enjoyed Retrofit Escapade since it came out as an LMG so I really am not suprised at the damage numbers. The buff scales up to 40% damage increase with a 25% average increase evenly spread throughout the mag. However since he used Actium, he KEEPS that high end 40% buff that normally only exists for a couple seconds at the end of the magazine because he keeps firing past 110% of the mag capacity in bullets. It's probably the only LMG that can go toe to toe with Thunderlord. I used it in Day 1 Crota against the witch boss because I needed riskrunner as my exotic. I almost matched DPS of my teammates and did enough damage such that I had a well at the start of the phase and a second one by the end of the phase.

[@TheEsuohdla]

I like that you can test weapons over a longer damage phase there but it makes me want to see something like xeno + Cartesian, you defo had time to swap lo special and get a few hits in and in real play I’d be pulling out a hard hitting special just to do that Like fighting oryx in kings fall I found thunder lord plus rapid fire sniper to be pretty brilliant and I’ve been topping dps by holding down the trigger, it’s been good using the irukandji wirh 4ttc and it shines well when thunder lord goes out of ammo

[@markmcclain3347]

Grand Overture is the strongest but takes way more time setting up than the others. Only beating T-Lord by around 300k but having to load up 30 rockets to get there seems more time and ammo consuming

[@sorantohell5096]

20 rockets not 30.

[@markmcclain3347]

@@sorantohell5096 damn that changed a lot

[@shundoraud3908]

I know you tested a lot of weapons, but what about Commemoration with Reconstruction and Killing Tally? Would that compare or no?

[@rustyshackleford67346]

thats just omega ad clear

[@h13n12]

that is not good at boss dps, it's super good for ad clear but that's about it.

[@SavvyMon4]

Honestly you’re better off running FTTC and firing line for dps with it

[@Pwnz0rh3nk]

@@SavvyMon4 Killing Tally x3 is 30% while Firing Line is only 20%. Having Actium on and Reconstruction fully loaded at like 130 bullets you won't have to reload. Recon, Tally is just better.

[@SavvyMon4]

@@Pwnz0rh3nk meh less setup with FTTC and FL

[@jared7901]

I love these damage test videos man

[@jayrue239]

The volatile rounds seasonal perk was negating unraveling rounds when you was getting the orbs from the Well.

[@uncoveredkhan09gaming38]

That's not how that works, you can have both at the sane time since they affect 2 different weapons, I've done it before. It just that not all the buffs can fit on screen at once

[@zacmac404]

Thunderlord has a glitch with the div bubble thats giving you a lightning strike every 6 shots instead of 10.

[@potato3457]

Let's keep this feature a sercet from youtubers ok?

[@c_l_a_d_d_i_x]

It’s not a glitch. The lightning strike procs faster if you land more crits than body shots. When using div, the lightning strikes self-proc their own crits since they hit the div bubble. This is why it feels like you never have to reload thunderlord when using div. I thought this was common knowledge but apparently not. Everyone thinks it’s a glitch. It’s not. It’s just div

[@xiphosmaniac]

@@c_l_a_d_d_i_x someone once thought wish ender was glitched because it was doing more damage when i would witherhorde their target. Im like...i dont blame you for thinking that, but thats just how it works. I only know those sorts of interactions because im a sweat, but the random blue berry wont know and be confused because Bungo doesnt make these sorts of interactions clear. The div/thunderlords interaction is a damn great example.

[@zacmac404]

@@c_l_a_d_d_i_x even if the lightning strike counted as hitting a crit that's still only 7 crits. Lightning strikes are supposed to spawn every 10. Also you can see the lightning strike spawn after the first 6 crits he shoots when there's not any lightning strikes.

[@c_l_a_d_d_i_x]

@@zacmac404 the lightning strikes count as multiple crits

[@silentib1534]

As much as I love Sweet Business, I think Rufus' Fury has it beat in its gimmick. With Actium+Rewind Rounds it can fire just as long if not longer (assuming you're landing your shots ofc), and has access to damage perks like target lock, frenzy, etc. As well as unraveling rounds. What this means is that Bungie needs to give Sweet Business target lock, for balance reasons :)

[@christopherokland1925]

Dope video! commemoration with volatile would have been cool to see.

[@Marshallaw79]

I’ve been using Heir Apparent a lot lately. Forgot how much I loved it until it’s became my champion finisher.

[@ludwigtheascendant]

Aztecross DPS LESSGOOOOO

[@HumzyTumzy]

there’s something about this machine gun damage test that none of the other damage tests have. literally a WAR MACHINE gun i got so hyped just waiting to see the damage for them all except deterministic chaos-

[@swisskiss067]

Thx for this test - never thought that „GO“ beats „Thunderlord“ 😮

[@xlightlessx7778]

Love seeing Retrofit Escapade still do numbers

[@zthuffman]

These are some of my favorite videos for the community!

[@Sniperguy-iy4wx]

I’d love to see how a circular logic with envious assassin and target lock would do

[@Leafy46]

So a point about Actium and Thunderlord is that, looking at the ammo counter, HE NEVER DROPS BELOW 50 IN THE MAGAZINE. Even at full spin-up, as long as Thunderlord is causing lightning strikes, and Actium is functioning, that is steady, non-stop DPS that's foolproof, goes until the mag is empty.

[@litaf4889]

Definitely. That catalyst puts it over the top with the combination of ammo from reserves from both the catalyst and Actium. Overture might do the most, but in terms of ease of use + DPS totals, thunderlord is my go to.

[@dutch529]

Literally just watched ur vid on rocket launchers and the look on you face when u saw the damage numbers for leviathans breath was priceless 😭😭love ur vids

[@MrBainbridge94]

You forgot the one from spire Cross, it can have triple tap and target lock. Couldn't believe the numbers from Grand Overture! 😍

[@gresssalexandro]

a nice hot meal and cold drink after work, and Aztecross’s damage testing vid. It doesn’t get any better man :)

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen2555]

For deterministic chaos, it looks like you're not getting the volatile round when the div bubble is proc'd (rip)

[@travismurtland3257]

I used Heir Apparent during the final season of Beyond Light doing Deep Stone for Taniks damage and beat the Sherpa who was using whatever the meta was. Guy had not been kind to my group and I'd meant to throw with it but instead we pissed him off so hard when he went to congratulate someone on beating him and how they had to have a godroll and it's like "nah, your wellock was running Heir Apparent" and he tried to do that kick thing but he wasn't the leader

[@nicholaskrogen8480]

Not me getting an ad right before a damage test results

[@DarkDemon259]

I remember way back when, I used Xenophage on Hunter to finish my Divinity run. Using Golden Gun with Nighthawk, I would marksman dodge to reload and pop super immediately to cancel the dodge animation and go right back to DPS. Damage was insane then, I need to test now with solar surges, star eaters, blade barrage etc. to see what kind of numbers it can put out with the right set up

[@KormitTheFrag]

there's a bug atm where kinetic weapon surge is applying to the nighthawk shot. not sure if it outdamages star eaters though. also not sure if it was patched since a week ago, i doubt it its because bungie.

[@johneldas2009]

I got my crafted commemoration today, it’s so good

[@swansonthebigjohnson9553]

corrective measure with rewind rounds and high impact reserves is nuts with div or tractor cannon debuff

[@virtualphoenix]

how did you have no recoil on the Xenophage, what mods do i need to use, helmet or gauntlets?

[@pipin7457]

I love these damage test videos but they always make me curious about the actual applications of them and pulling off what's needed to reach those numbers. Specifically thinking about the argument for Retrofit + Witherhoard vs. Grand Overture from this video. In a real raid encounter setting of having a good chunk people needing to do stuff such as add clear and mechanics before DPS (G.O. pre-stacking rockets + recovering ammo). Granted, for the Witherhoard combo you would only want 2x ppl on that, but would it be better just to have everyone go G.O., deal with the stacking/recovering ammo, and retain that legendary flex for other stuff, especially in light of how flexible witherhoard is and the ammo economy discussion as well... I guess my point being "optimal" vs. "practical and consistent".

[@Ashen_Night116]

Retrofit barely ever runs out of ammo if you do double special, you can even see it in the video that RE still has about half it's ammo from one phase, FTTC is just that strong on it.

[@Kevin-hx3hn]

Quick question, For an accurate damage test wouldn’t all the weapons light level need to be the same? I just noticed one gun was 1809 and another was 1600.

[@ronin9380]

That was fun...thanks for the hard work guys!

[@Brad-ut1ro]

14:26 this dmg # was increased a bit bc the first test the boss backed way up and u were gettin some dmg falloff on top of the fact that the Div bubble came up a bit late. Impressive dmg tho

[@protatype7487]

16:05 “I’ve seen enough! I’m calling this one.”

[@able4698]

These testing videos have a strange relaxing quality to them

[@haydenw7981]

My favorite lmg in the game right now is a demolitionist/one for all corrective measure. 450s are my favorite archetype, and that roll was my very first drop from the very first time I ran d2's vault of glass