The Best New Ruleset In Sudoku?

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[@humanbirdsong]

CtC in 2020: “The 1-8 pair makes this a 9.” CtC in 2022: “Banana requires a non-rectangle.”

[@DanFre40]

CTC in 2024: "The blue circle is not part of the pink/yellow flash, and purple can't be an odd digit because the square root of the green pentomino must be non-negative, and let's not forget that this orange line is the hypotenuse...."

[@davida1d2]

@@DanFre40 And somehow it will make perfect sense.

[@windybeach2184]

Needs more middley digitage

[@andrewe.7299]

11:14 “But let’s think about the nature of banana”

[@oreo3910]

I love when Simon uses the secret because it reminds me that I’m one of his favorite people. It means a lot.

[@ZachGatesHere]

I can't lie... I feel the same. I genuinely feel happier whenever he says that.

[@greghill7759]

It's probably best if you hear this from me now, rather than find out later.... Simon says this to everybody. He doesn't mean to be unfaithful. That's just the way he is

[@isaacpianos5208]

@@greghill7759 he doesn't.

[@oreo3910]

@@greghill7759simon can have a lot of favorite people, whether or not that’s true, I am part if that group

[@columbus8myhw]

In an alternate universe: "And now I shall burden you with 'the secret', cursèd knowledge which I only bestow unto my least favorite people…"

[@isaacweber8289]

I think "bananas are the food of the devil" is the strongest thing I've ever heard Simon say

[@Hakucho64]

... and also the most wrong.

[@Anne_Mahoney]

Thank you, Simon! I was afraid I was the only person who felt that way. I *loathe* bananas. (Well, the only living person: hating bananas may be the only thing I ever had in common with my mother. But that's another story.)

[@Jake-lc1lh]

I was shook when I heard that

[@ohshiditsgriff2793]

@Anne Mahoney I also hate bananas, so that makes 3. They're just... slimey inside? And weirdly dry outside? And the peel just keeps awkwardly caressing your hand as you hold it open? It's an unpleasant experience.

[@Criperoks]

@@ohshiditsgriff2793 they only could be slimey if overripe, fresh bananas are different

[@francescopetracca374]

Growing bananas, untouchables snakes, naked singles... I see what direction this channel is taking... 🤣

[@amoswittenbergsmusings]

Smother that girl in chocolate syrup - from Frank Zappa "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" if you get my drift.

[@jonathanmahoney1672]

Titter 🤭

[@andrewgrant6516]

The Germans and Dutch have been whispering about it for ages.

[@tangrybird04]

One time Simon was “cooking with gas” and he said “this is more fun than taking your clothes off”😂

[@martysears]

Next week we'll see a 69 in a cage

[@MaierFlorian]

From the prducer of blockbusters like "orange is blue" and "zero is not a valid sudoku number. Ok, in THIS puzzle at least" now see their new movie: "however my banana grows" 😂

[@Tahgtahv]

It's a good thing Simon did the colors this way. I was gonna rage if he made the bananas square, and the chocolate not square.

[@Wecoc1]

I'm a bit disappointed our Chaotic Good Simon didn't make the banana parts brown and the chocolate parts yellow 😆

[@jimmyh2137]

Rotten bananas and white chocolate!

[@MFPF]

Banana with chocolate ice cream :v

[@samplename5159]

I totally made my bananas rectangles!

[@erichvereen1988]

Let’s think about the nature of Banana…. This is a statement I never expected in my life, but for some reason it work so well for Simon. :)

[@isaacpianos5208]

"whichever direction my banana grows..."

[@stumbling]

"Consider Banana" - The Prophet Simon Anthony

[@stumbling]

Come to think of it, the only surprising thing is that he didn't say "Banananess".

[@nonehandle688]

Simon gets this smart look on his face whenever he talks about the secret. Even if the sound is off, I can tell when he's about to reveal "the secret." So cute! Where else in the world can we learn important facts like "banana has to bend?"

[@olganadenenko7918]

"I could be brown, I could be blue, I could be violet sky" playing in my head every single minute in this video :)

[@inspiringsand123]

Rules: 02:28 Let's Get Cracking: 04:25 Simon's time: 44m37s Puzzle Solved: 49:02 What about this video's Top Tier Simarkisms?! The Secret: 6x (01:55, 04:31, 04:34, 04:56, 19:15, 20:52) Bobbins: 4x (09:37, 29:16, 29:20, 42:32) Knowledge Bomb: 1x (06:49) And how about this video's Simarkisms?! Ah: 13x (09:37, 10:27, 17:19, 19:05, 21:05, 21:46, 24:39, 34:37, 39:12, 44:31, 45:25, 47:02, 48:18) Hang On: 9x (03:25, 08:04, 10:07, 19:09, 25:55, 31:47, 34:37, 35:30, 39:32) Beautiful: 6x (10:27, 10:58, 25:19, 27:07, 36:38, 49:05) By Sudoku: 5x (22:26, 38:02, 40:50, 42:55, 47:28) In Fact: 5x (06:35, 23:30, 32:24, 32:32, 34:19) Goodness: 4x (10:09, 12:30, 21:49, 24:43) Lovely: 4x (11:32, 30:50, 35:53, 48:12) Wow: 4x (10:03, 36:35, 48:39, 48:59) Stuck: 3x (17:07, 23:59, 29:16) Nature: 3x (11:14, 24:50, 46:20) Good Grief: 2x (27:54, 31:39) Sorry: 2x (18:04, 24:43) The Answer is: 2x (27:21, 46:15) Nonsense: 2x (19:13, 20:35) Brilliant: 2x (01:44, 49:05) Shouting: 2x (01:30, 02:10) What on Earth: 1x (27:16) Eyes are Drawn: 1x (04:28) Out of Nowhere: 1x (22:00) Clever: 1x (31:36) Naughty: 1x (24:52) Ridiculous: 1x (10:31) Our old Friend Sudoku: 1x (42:55) Come on Simon: 1x (39:12) We Can Do Better Than That: 1x (42:05) Snake: 1x (01:55) Fabulous: 1x (00:31) Cake!: 1x (01:47) Most popular number(>9), digit and colour this video: Forty Five (21 mentions) One (88 mentions) Yellow (67 mentions) Antithesis Battles: Unshaded (5) - Shaded (3) Row (13) - Column (5) FAQ: Q1: You missed something! A1: That could very well be the case! Human speech can be hard to understand for computers like me! Point out the ones that I missed and maybe I'll learn! Q2: Can you do this for another channel? A2: I've been thinking about that and wrote some code to make that possible. Let me know which channel you think would be a good fit!

[@malcolmjohnson4414]

Thanks bot!

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Woah how does this bot work?

[@smylesg]

31:36 This/that is sick?

[@smylesg]

With 13 mentions in this video alone, what's "ah" got to do to get promoted to "top tier"?

[@theblinkingbrownie4654]

Needs banana - chocolate in the antithesis battles

[@davidchs2821]

I recently stared solving puzzles that are too hard for me along side Simon and Mark, and I'm loving it! It helps in the parts where I get stuck and I can get ahead in the parts where I can see the logic before them. So it's a really nice way to complement the solving part, which I wouldn't get on my own! I specially enjoyed this one :)

[@BillLamoreaux]

"However my banana...👀 Grows." LOL

[@markbennet9058]

The ruleset needs to be used again, therefore ...

[@PuzzlesPundit]

6:18. I left the video at this part. Can't stop laughing.

[@Gonzalo_Garcia_]

37:19 for me. Wow, what a ruleset!! It took me a (very) long time to understand how it was supposed to work, but once I finally got there I absolutely loved the solve path. Fantastic puzzle!!

[@CaptainSpock1701]

11:17 - “Banana requires a non-rectangle.” I knew it. *_All_* those boxes at the supermarket are *_wrong!_*

[@bobbis.172]

"Bananas are the food of the devil"--I can relate, Simon. I'm allergic. I hope I survive the puzzle 😄

[@emilywilliams3237]

The most fun part of this video was how delighted you were with the logic around the 4 and 7 in the central box. I laughed out loud with that mutual pleasure kind of feeling that your videos so often elicit, Simon. Thanks for this video (and it seems that you are feeling somewhat better than the other day - that is good). (I am all out of order watching videos, so if I am behind the times you must forgive me ...)

[@robinvik1]

33:19 "By maths" Thanks for the explanation lol

[@MattYDdraig]

41:45 Lovely from the start, but the interaction between the 8 and 40 clues seemingly out of nowhere was brilliant.

[@longwaytotipperary]

I love how excited Simon gets over solving puzzles! 😄

[@davidrattner9]

Ditto!!! 😀

[@longwaytotipperary]

@@davidrattner9 😁

[@Saetanigera]

Mark might technically be better at solving, but the enthusiasm means a lot

[@MotoNatrix]

I just love how excited Simon gets for region puzzles like yin yang or this. You can see his enthusiasm every single time there is a deduction about where shading/unshading can go!

[@ShadowBeatzInc]

RockyRoer's ice-cream adjacent name always made me think of dessert enough as it is and now they're making chocolate covered banana puzzles pls I beg

[@ConManAU]

There really was something magical about how the last part of the puzzle unfolded - in my solve, I had marked a huge swathe of 79 pairs stemming from the bottom rows, and the left side of the grid had more pencil marks than Simon would be comfortable with, but then suddenly they all resolved down to a bunch of tightly coupled pairs, and from there everything collapsed into the final solution. Absolutely gorgeous puzzle with some wonderful logic (and my solve time of 47m49s compares favourably to Simon's for once!) For those not familiar, chocolate banana is, as well as being an interesting logic puzzle, a popular "souvenir" food in Japan, particularly associated with Tokyo. Usually it isn't fresh banana but instead if you visit a tourist spot you can buy choco-banana-flavoured cookies individually wrapped in a box so that you can buy it and share them with your coworkers, family or visitors.

[@nanagaga2001]

I'm always impressed at how Simon is able to tell the secret differently in every video.

[@orzelgryf]

"Let think about a nature of banana" Yup - that is going straight to my catalogue of favourite quotes of ctc.

[@denisebussey828]

I was 3 weeks behind on Simons videos and I have finally caught up. The binge watching of Simon solving was the highlight of my week. Thank you.

[@K9mathematic]

I must say that I genuinely appreciate Simon's care for colorblind, like myself. Even though he does have a penchant for blue/purple and green/yellow shadings in puzzles :p

[@KajtekBeary]

As a fellow colorblind: Bananas! Tho, new red and green are to close in shade tbh. Hue or darkness of one of them should be adjusted to be in bigger contrast.

[@JakeRoeder]

@@KajtekBeary you can submit that suggestion to Sven in the Discord

[@peterkelley6344]

I still cannot see the yellow even with the new pallet. I've never been able to see the yellow. ...

[@wixxed]

I'm still one of Simon's favorite people after all these years!

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

"However my banana (chuckles to himself) ... grows..."

[@nonagrey3422]

"However my banana grows" is a phrase we haven't heard on the channel before, I'm quite sure.

[@heydh.]

No three in the corner, three in the spotlight in this puzzle. But every time a 1 pops up, Simon could sing "This one goes out to the one I love" .. REM's first big hit single. ;)

[@peterkelley6344]

AND I STILL SAY: ♬ "ONE IS THE LONELIEST NUMBER ..."♬ Especially if it is the first number placed. But then I starting to think no one is hearing me.

[@tiagomarques9822]

Would it be a thing for this channel to have a series of videos showcasing other kinds of Japanese logic puzzles other than sudoku? I’ve watched several such videos in this channel since I subscribed years ago, but I think it would be nice to discover new types of puzzles with the typical insights and explanations Simon always provides. This chocolate-banana type of puzzle was a nice discovery. Great video, as always!

[@slvroni]

half way in to the video and I have to say that I am truly enjoying the banana logic, and watching it's solve. It's fun. It's the kind of puzzle that makes you want to try more puzzles!

[@sophiusdynami3401]

@6:18 i guess Simon was hoping that people didnt catch that... But too bad, its hilarious 😂

[@schoo9256]

This one was just straight-up FUN. The rule set is so, as Simon said, "naturally flowing"--as opposed to many sudoku variant puzzles with intelligent but sometimes laborious rulesets. I hope we get more chocolate banana puzzles!

[@HunterJE]

18:40 Brown 2 *giggles*

[@HunterJE]

(BTW that brown 2 *snrk* could be placed in r2c6 as early as 23:05 due to the arrangement of brown cells in box 5)

[@Wecoc1]

Today's comment section is wild, this may indeed be the best new ruleset In Sudoku 😆

[@grithog5399]

At 22:46, happy to see a name applied to this logic (roping). I had worked out the position of the 1 just like this, but I didn’t know what to call that deduction.

[@wanderlustwarrior]

41:34 for me. That was fun, and I liked that puzzle! I'm surprised it took that long since when I was early in I thought it'd go quickly, but I'm still happy with the time spent. I started the puzzle with the other part of your favorite domino: the 4 must always be Chocolate (I used the same color scheme), because it must either be 4 or 1/3. Then 7 is a banana, meaning it's a 1/2/4, thus the 4 is a 2 cell chocolate with a 3 in the central box. Tried again the next day and got it in 29:36.

[@th.nd.r]

Absolutely brilliant!!! Loved this, great ruleset but ESPECIALLY great use thereof! Well set and well solved

[@martysears]

Loved that from start to finish. This sort of puzzle with geometry involved is right up my street

[@TheEricthefruitbat]

When is the first Chocolate Banana Fog puzzle?

[@carlossosa2907]

"There is a brown 2 here" and my inner child giggled 😃

[@specialkalberta]

6:20 "However my banana grows" (but thinks to himself "What kind of tone am I setting for this channel?")

[@dracythedragon]

This was one of the most fun puzzles I ever solved!! Thank you for sharing it, t's so nice!

[@ittz_luckylucas1345]

“That’s 1 in the corner. That’s 1 in the spot-light losing my religion.” Love the REM reference!

[@CauchyIntegralFormula]

46m30s. I always enjoy two-color puzzles, and this was no exception

[@Jesthers]

Had to watch to 21:49 to solve. Just absolutely stunning puzzle, greatly recommend.

[@Hakucho64]

Got it out in about an hour or so, thoroughly enjoyed it. There were several moments when I imagined Simon would have exclaimed "oh that's GORGEOUS!". 😀

[@timdec]

Great new rule. I have always been a big fan of any sudoku puzzle with 'build your own path/snake/area/cage/etc', and this is a wonderful new addition because of all the interactions. Hope to see more of this.

[@nidoking042]

The strange thing is that I approached the bottom three boxes from the opposite direction. Once I had the 2-3-4 in the middle boxes, I spent a long time trying to figure out how the 15 cage was shaped, given the inability to have more than one of those three digits in it, and that led to filling in the colors for the whole right side of the grid. Once I had box 9 colored, I also worked out that the 40 cage needed an 8 in box 8, and that forced the 8 cage above it to be two cells. The final part I had left was a 2x2 region where I needed to fit extra cells for the 11 and 31 cages. This is a puzzle that really lends itself to multiple solution paths.

[@mirandasage79]

I love this one so much!! I hope we see more chocolate banana puzzles

[@Rach881101]

46:23 for me. Marvelous puzzle and rule set! Love the chocolate banana theme and colors as well!

[@Angi_Mathochist]

Love that 4-7 domino. 4 can only be 1 or 2 cells, either of which is a rectangle so the 4 has to be chocolate/rectangle, and 7 has to be yellow/NON-rectangle and 3-cell. And that means the 7 has to have a 1 and the 4's 1 has to be in the next 3x3 over. Beautiful.

[@davidrattner9]

Simon...so if the "banana is the food of the devil" as you said..does that mean phistomefel eats them? :-) Another splendid solve from you and joy to see the new rule set featured on the channel.

[@peterkelley6344]

My roommate says that Cauliflower is the food of the devil ... when was the banana added?

[@markbennet9058]

I have heard very good things about this puzzle, but haven't (yet) had time to try it. Looking forward to the video.

[@Arkhanno]

"Let's think about the nature of banana" It's tasty!

[@yichen6313]

Very fun and interesting puzzle, enjoyed it a lot

[@srwapo]

60:19, fun puzzle but I checked my work a couple of times to make sure I wasn't going down a bad rabbit hole. I was doing alright until I colored in all of the regions and spent like 20 minutes trying to break open 10, 11, 31 regions in the lower left.

[@VeritasUnae]

Very cool logic puzzle combo. Now I want to try (maybe a simpler) chocobananadoku! Haha

[@KonaCafe.]

Thank you for the Birthday Shout Out! 🤩 Love the videos and channel, keep up the amazing work! 🍌🍫 I'm most excited to show people my shoutout on "the sudoku channel" and explain what a Chocolate Banana Killer is supposed to be.

[@faddy91]

Fantastic puzzle. Loved it. I had a similar reaction to Simon with the 4 7 clues after pottering about looking at the bigger ones. Magnificent. Not too hard either. A bad day for Simon at predictions. The 21 wasn't 1-6. The 2 didn't join in the 11 clue. The 17 wasn't an 8 9. RockyRoer leaving a a false trail all over the puzzle.

[@shawnmichajluk2044]

Tough puzzle but very enjoyable. Hope to see more like it.

[@feedthedrummer]

"Let's think about the nature of banana" is an all-time top Simon quote.

[@shellmichael9665]

@6:17 “However my banana grows…” is now my favorite preamble to a logical deduction that I’ve ever heard on this channel. Topped off with Simon’s childish chuckle as he said it. That was just *chefs kiss* perfection. 🤌🏼💋

[@praematura]

I started to try this one, totally horked it early on, and began to watch Simon's solve; saw his illumination on the 4-7 cages and immediately wanted to try again... So, 24:07 for me, but I do feel that I got a fair bit of help from Simon on this one! Definitely a cool new variant, I really did enjoy it.

[@joshdavis8832]

Glad to see Simon is a fellow banana hater

[@eddieharwood7788]

Wow that really was phenomonal. I amnaged bits but had far too little time and kept making little errors. Simon's solve was brilliant.

[@redpanda2463]

“At the moment it’s domino in nature and that is very naughty of it because it’s yellow so it mustn’t be rectangular.” - cracking the cryptic 2022

[@amoswittenbergsmusings]

[tongue in cheek] A novelty drawn on the canvas Disturbs what till recent the plan was: To protect our purity With verbal security And ban showing growing bananas…

[@davidrattner9]

Another exceptional one from you Amos. These are always cheerful and amazing from you. Please don't ever stop doing them. 🙂

[@cathybryant5119]

I second that! The first thing I do after watching a video is scan the comments for an Amos limerick.

[@ericpraline1302]

This came together handsomely, thanks. Not sure the idea of chocolate bananas appeals - it sounds like something our friends across the pond would come up with.

[@NichtcrawlerX]

Always nice to see things work from the other direction. Figuring out the 8 in Box 8 had to be length two, because the 40 and 13 filled out box 9, but did not go into box 6, and thus the 40 had to grow into box 8, but only could take one space before it reached length 8 and thus that extra space had to be an 8, disallowing the 8 cage to be size one, I thought that such beautiful logic. I guess finding more of the 31 cage first was easier...

[@timgoodwin90]

Ooooo I always love it when Simon tells us the secret

[@nedb147]

Fabulous puzzle

[@TheGerkuman]

The four clue must always be chocolate, even without the seven next to it. It's either a 1x1 box of 4, or 2x1 box of 3 and 1. But being near the seven does expand it even further.

[@nathanmays7926]

12:34 find somebody who looks at you the way Simon looks at chocolate bananas

[@Thorinbur]

I forgot bananas have to bend. Only made sure chocolate is rectangular but also allowed rectangular bananas in my logic. solved more than half a digit and painted all of the grid except for 12 cells in bottom left corner where that distinction was required to disambiguate the puzzle. Got watched the video and the first time bendy bananas came to play I facepalmed and finished the puzzle. Still one of my favourites! the way the cages expand and slowly fill the grid is so satisfying.

[@zoes17]

At 37:47 this fixes a 4,8 pair in column 5 of box 2. You unfortunately use the erroneous 6 pencil marks at 44:00 to allege a 468 triple in column 5 across boxes 2 & 5. Then just a few seconds later at use it to place a 5 in r6c5. Thankfully, it seems to still solve. Seriously though brilliant as always and way beyond my skill set at the moment. Though, I almost always learn new logic with every puzzle. I will say to RockyRoer amazing setting and a brilliant puzzle. Please make Simon solve more. ;-)

[@Coyotek4]

42:12 ... a most interesting ruleset Nice puzzle!

[@emilymiller4349]

All I can think is, "There's always money in the banana stand." (from "Arrested Development")

[@jonatanpersson82]

Only took him 7 min to see the solved 2 in box 2 because of the Brown box, love Simon though he has a wonderful mind

[@DarrenNakamura]

Got it in 67 minutes flat. I used the new color palette to do yellow and brown for chocolate banana!

[@mashkasart]

i love simon out of context 11:14

[@RL-gl8qg]

Wow. RockyRoer contributed this triumph today and still found time to help the rest of us with our puzzles over on discord. It's like that scene in Superman where he saves the world three times and ends his day by rescuing a kitten from a tree.

[@smylesg]

And then the girl gets a smack because she can't "stop telling lies."

[@Davidgeification]

I'm sure it took a lot of restraint not to name this video "This New Ruleset is BANANAS".

[@_-_-Sipita-_-_]

49:27 for me. i put a S if it was shaded or a U if was not. the most of the grid was covered with SUS at some point.

[@krisdelacourt3977]

i found the 'every cell in the grid is in a cage' rule a tad confusing.. took a while for me to realise that a single brown cell is a valid square cage, so not every cage has to have at least two cells in it. which made for a couple of frustrating minutes :) anyway, fun puzzle!

[@manfredwitzany2233]

Hello Simon, I request to rename this type of puzzle into chocolate tea pot killer. By this a chocolate tea pot would turn being useful.

[@MartinFindon]

Fewer innuendos than expected, but and very enjoyable solve!

[@brysoncorley]

I'm not Trevor's Bryson. But I'll take it.

[@Olivergardenyuh]

"And by the way bananas are the good of the devil" IDK man I think Simon likes bananas

[@Machine1136]

As I watched this puzzle, I was awestruck as to how the banana grew and grew.

[@stumbling]

I'm very pleased we didn't end up with rectangular bananas and non-rectangular chocolate bars!

[@masaakunokouchi]

There is money in the banana stand.

[@nemuchan]

Brown and yellow. Yep typical chocolate and banana colors. And absolutely nothing else.

[@HunterJE]

Especially when he talks about needing to place a brown 2...

[@nationandy]

Best new sudoku innuendo.

[@tobbgoblin]

6:17 Lol.

[@pierre-paulmarcil8850]

"Banana is the fruit of the devil" is the first time I didn't agree with Simon... beside all the times he took 3 minutes longer than me to realise what to do next (which is not often haha)

[@Atomicslash]

it feels like game of life sudoku setting

[@wariolandgoldpiramid]

You picked the colors correctly. Because a Chocolate Bar 🍫 is rectangular, while a Banana 🍌 is the weird shape.

[@BigAsciiHappyStar]

Brilliant setting I think the umpteenth feature is well deserved RockyRoer take a bow! This Sudoku is somewhat different I read the rules - downright bananas! A most atrocious pun which is intended, funnily enough Taking a squiz at the comments section Yet another limerick Groan

[@chipsounder4633]

That was great