I'm sure the engineers and support personnel back at CSF that worked on this project appreciate the genuine recognition of its performance and design. It's nice for both manufacturer and consumer alike when a product exceeds expectations.
@GrumblingForesight8 ай бұрын
“Guys pushing stock turbos with tunes are likely to be pushing the stock turbos outside of their efficiency range, hence they need good intercoolers to make the most out of their tune” . Mike Kojima still giving me priceless tuning knowledge even after 30 years! Thanks Mike. Oh and awesome work from the CSF guys, a couple degrees above ambient is just crazy.
@sambo66516 ай бұрын
Got educated, i need a new intercooler.
@DrSkrungle8 ай бұрын
You are like the gasoline racing version of gale banks
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Gale Banks knows gasoline too. He just knows there is more profit in trucks, a much bigger market.
@cavalierliberty68388 ай бұрын
Gale started with the old grand national, so he knows gas. There is just so much money in the diesel market.
@nathanhale30068 ай бұрын
My buddy met him at the DMAX plant. He said he was super cool down to earth as expected. I told him he should of got him to autograph his chest.
@CarRacerGVR47 ай бұрын
The comprehensive touches like those smartly designed clamps and larger inlet pipes with custom adapter hoses really differentiate excellent products like CSF from the rest.
@VS6668 ай бұрын
something about an effective intercooler always peaks my interest, love the clamps too! CSF makes some of the best cooling products, hands down
@michelhadid8 ай бұрын
That is an incredibly competitive price for the performance and quality. Amazing!
@rubezahlmountainworks79748 ай бұрын
I think the idea of stepped intercoolers is something that could really catch on in multiple application's.
@JordieG88 ай бұрын
I wish tube & fin got more respect!
@alexlafreniere65734 ай бұрын
had a CSF dual core rad and oil cooler combo on my old 86 and that thing worked like a champ on those hot summer track days! glad to see they’re still making quality stuff.
@KoalaOalaJones8 ай бұрын
Can you guys or have you guys released a blog/ article about the testing and data? It would be cool to read and compare with other brands for someone who’s shopping around for an intercooler currently
@CSFracing8 ай бұрын
We'll be publishing all of this on our website in the next couple of weeks and I'm sure MotoIQ will also have an article on the site as well - stay tuned!
@KoalaOalaJones8 ай бұрын
Awesome thank you
@FG-4188 ай бұрын
The clamps looks exactly like the Mishomoto Sure Grip line. I do wish Mishomoto sold them in black. The only downside these have vs the Norma Torro is that the worm band is cut instead of stamped, so they might not be as strong under high boost pressure.
@itsmedeka8 ай бұрын
The CSF rep called the GR engine a 4cyl lol
@DrSkrungle8 ай бұрын
Ultimately cyl count doesnt matter for intercoolers
@DrSkrungle8 ай бұрын
@@L3GACYxiNsTiiNcTwrong, horsepower is determined by the air mass and fuel entering the engine, displacement or cyl count doesnt matter
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Whoops
@Clobercow18 ай бұрын
@@DrSkrungleSaying those things don't matter is disingenuous to the complication that are these engine systems.
@DrSkrungle8 ай бұрын
@@GrindSultanfollow the thread, i responded to the first guy saying cyl doesnt matter, then someone responded to that saying disp matters for hp
@mhk670914 ай бұрын
I’m running SXTH element intercooler with upgrade charge pipes for both hot and cold side piping. Clamps are very important SXTH clamps are bad manufacturer sent overnight better clamps constant tension clamps t bolts with screw for constant tension. SXTH clamps leak boost.. The good my Corolla GR on the dyno pull 301HP and 310TQ. Very impressive!!!
@Renzolito8 ай бұрын
Sick review always love MotoIQ reviews and videos!
@burnz31328 ай бұрын
I want to take that Mini in the background and swap a GR drive train and chassis under it lol. Great numbers from a ots IC!
@thedaredevil19078 ай бұрын
Yesssssss if Moto-iq dosnt do it .....we need to spam it to Mighty Car Mods ....be a great brother to the B18B powered mini
@burnz31328 ай бұрын
@@thedaredevil1907 I’ve only got to do one older Mini and it was a F20c swap 🙄. Such a pita but totally worth it once done!! Client still runs around with it after 15+yrs. But definitely would rather see that swap for sure!
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
@@thedaredevil1907 It has a B18C in it, some other shop did a terrible job and we are fixing it.
@amill15638 ай бұрын
As always appreciate the enthusiasm Mike.
@Good-luck-Jonathan8 ай бұрын
Hi Mike how are you? What was the pressure drop on this? Thanks
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
We didn't measure it but it is way lower than stock due to the much larger core area and the much greater amount of tubes
@johnthebaptist48326 ай бұрын
Praise: I love that they had an open fit in mind and created a hybrid styled inter cooler that produces results Concern/Question: It appears that the volume on the new inter cooler is larger than the previous one. Does that cause a slower response time in power delivery? What are the negatives to a higher volume intercooler?
@motoiq6 ай бұрын
Not perceptible. None, besides cost.
@ws66198 ай бұрын
Great engineering, and great marketing. Good luck with this product line! I don't have a Corolla but can't wait to see one on the track.
@slfrules18 ай бұрын
WOW! Those numbers are crazy!
@hdoglesby8 ай бұрын
I had heard years ago that mat/flat black radiators and intercoolers radiated heat better than brushed/polished aluminum sides/cores
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
It is true
@jeramiebradford18 ай бұрын
I didn't know that
@kadarmate8 ай бұрын
So which is better in case of an intercooler? By logic I would go with radiating, to let the heat escape.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
The black one.
@Token_Black_Guy8 ай бұрын
Blacks stay wining
@COU51N.Kyle.8 ай бұрын
would love a step core designed intercooler for the EVO 7,8,9. I wonder if CSF makes evo. to their website i go!
@mhk670915 ай бұрын
Got the SXTH Element Engineering Intercooler for my Corolla GR it’s probably not as good as CSF but it’s much better than stock plus it’s ultra durable stock one was getting rock dings. This bar and plate doesn’t get dinged up at all it’s perfect. I wonder how durable the (tube and fin) CSF intercooler is. I do a lot of highway driving.
@RestoDesignsnando8 ай бұрын
Love those hose clamps.
@dee10897 ай бұрын
that is insane performance!! god damn !!
@mrbookends7 ай бұрын
Yet another video to go into my "car stuff" saved folder as I plan out this Datsun 620 build I have sitting in the garage. That being said, I'm not super surprised that an intercooler with twice the surface area performs way better than stock? What am I missing here?
@EpimethiusInPerpituity7 ай бұрын
That front grill is massive no wonder a full size intercooler dropped the temps that much. I think the key is not just the intercooler but the fact there was enough surface area and extraction to push enough volume of air to significantly reduce temps. It doesn't matter how big the heat exchanger is if it doesn't have a fluid to exchange heat into.
@davidortiz1738 ай бұрын
Can I get one for a 3.5 ecoboost in a ford f150?
@not12listen8 ай бұрын
Did this intercooler have any impact on coolant temperatures? I'm asking as this intercooler has a much larger front surface area and that would cover over a greater portion of the radiator.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Not on the dyno, but that was not as rigorous as the track.
@chaoschen96616 ай бұрын
This may seem like an obvious/silly question, but becuase this shares the same engine as the GRY, but a very different body would this fit in a GRY?
@Buzzbox783Ай бұрын
Awesome review. My worry is always the airflow and impact on other cooling systems. The big question is, will this fit my GR Yaris 😂
@StormÆLnGoFth8 ай бұрын
All the other cars are turbo 4 cylinder hot hatch, but the Corolla hatchback or the Corolla cross, or the basic XSE Corolla or the 85 AE86 hatchback 4 cylinder, one new car Yes we know it's a 300hp 3 cylinder Turbo AWD 🤯
@DiamondStarWerks8 ай бұрын
Can't tell if he said "268 degrees" or "to under 68 degrees". How high are the air temps going in with stock intercooler and whats the delta with the csf cooler?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
The charge temp was reduced 268 degrees or 111 more than the stock intercooler.
@Thee_Snow_Wolf8 ай бұрын
@@motoiq Is that 268 F or C?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
F, if it was C the turbo and the whole car would be in trouble!
@JG-mg3if4 ай бұрын
Any testing for the Mishimoto intercooler? Would love the comparison between this two.
@motoiq4 ай бұрын
We do not recommend their products.
@DavidDGardnerII8 ай бұрын
Shoot, this is wicked cool, I'd love to hear what other makes/models they have, or are planning to have, replacements for!
@MrVaderino8 ай бұрын
will CSF offer a GR Yaris version of this intercooler? Thx
@grahamhaynes76588 ай бұрын
I run a PROALLOY i/c,on my GRY in UK.
@mhk670914 ай бұрын
Those clamps look great!!!! Very important
@Maelthras8 ай бұрын
I need one of those for a 92 3000gt vr4. Twin tdo4 makes alot of heat.
@lambrosstamos44948 ай бұрын
What are the absolute necessary mods that will make the presence of an intercooler - oil cooler combo desirable without creating other problems? Will all the above fit a GR Yaris? Please, come back with the oil cooler. In fact, I won't mind a proper diff cooler, too.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
If you do track days
@thedevilsadvocate37105 ай бұрын
Hey CSF, considering if the design is that solid, why don't you take that design, make it a core, and make it bigger or smaller and sell it as a core.
@WhiteDiamondTL5 ай бұрын
Is this worth running with no tune? Currently have a circuit, all I’ve done is cat back and mid pipe. Will I see gains with no tune without having to worry about causing any damage/issue if it got a bump in power?
@arnaumarce39434 ай бұрын
Hi guys, great job here; will it fit a GR Yaris?
@billharpur95297 ай бұрын
I wonder if it will bolt straight in to a GR Yaris? Any idea?
@nicolashuffman43128 ай бұрын
Are y'all gonna make a FMIC for the VA WRX? I would really like a kit that had a smaller IC core that clears the stock crash bar and is sized for guys living with the limits of the stock connecting rods. It seems like everything on the market is designed for 500hp + and is overkill for most of us.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Maybe you should ask CSF not us.
@albertt77848 ай бұрын
Probably won't fit on the GR Yaris without modifications? Any chance of a product for the GR Yaris?
@boblast55826 ай бұрын
you guys said its a tube and fin core, but it really looks like a bar and plate... the tube on the tube and fin is usually a lot thinner, which is what helps with flow through it and to the radiator. But this one has a tall, bar and plate size, tube... which kinda defeats the reason for tube and fin? I guess there's weight. is there an engineering explanation to this? @CSF are there plans for an intercooler for the FL5?
@motoiq6 ай бұрын
The owner of CSF ought to know what his core is!
@boblast55826 ай бұрын
@@motoiq you might misunderstood my question. I'm not trying to say its a bar and plate, more asking about the design of this particular tube and fin...
@motoiq6 ай бұрын
Oh sorry, the looks of it fooled me too.
@832FDS7132 ай бұрын
Yall should do a Corolla build 1zzfe and 2zzfe
@motoiq2 ай бұрын
No I don't like those engines.
@RDGarage7 ай бұрын
Call this an intercooler? Now THIS is an intercooler!
@Eco197 ай бұрын
I just wanna see someone go sub 4s from 0-60, thats ALL i need out of the gr rolla for it to be perfect
@Cathlabkid7 ай бұрын
Newbie question here. From what I've gathered in the video would this be worth running on a stock car without a tune or anything? I'm getting a 24 circuit edition in 10 days and I don't plan on doing anything major soon but summer is coming soon and I don't plan on driving the car "easy" every day.
@motoiq7 ай бұрын
Well it got 18 more hp
@panick.attack8 ай бұрын
How does the efficiency of this intercooler affect coolant and A/C temperature? Since it's really efficient at extracting heat from the charged air, will that become a problem for the condenser and radiator that sits behind it?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
That is why it's tube and fin, we talked about it in the video
@panick.attack8 ай бұрын
@@motoiq must’ve missed it. Will have to rewatch!
@tomtom2558 ай бұрын
Mike, any word on when this will be available for sale?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Any day now
@panick.attack8 ай бұрын
Sales guy said April 2024
@JacksonRacingOfficial8 ай бұрын
As of yesterday, we started taking pre-orders on the JR x CSF Intercooler kits. 👍
@tomtom2557 ай бұрын
Placed my order a few days ago@@JacksonRacingOfficial
@Izento8 ай бұрын
I wonder how a Plazmaman would compare to other intercoolers. They're supposed to be the best money can buy for intake manifolds and intercoolers.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
It doesn't have much more frontal area than stock but with a thicker core so most likely not as good. This is the best performing intercooler we have ever tested by far for any car.
@jsr22168 ай бұрын
does CSF make IC for '18 WRX FA20?
@mrmorizofan70018 ай бұрын
Add also dyno graphs and test data
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
We talked about the data in the video, the power was irrelevant since we didn't tune for it, we were only testing for temperature drop but it was 18 hp. With tuning it will be much more.
@mrmorizofan70018 ай бұрын
@@motoiq sure but data is always better than sales talk
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
The data is in the video.
@mrmorizofan70018 ай бұрын
@@motoiqok at what point?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
I don't know somewhere I think toward the beginning, it dropped the CAT 268 degrees, 111 degrees better than stock and 2-5 degrees above ambient and gained 18 hp with no changes and no tune to take advantage of it.
@POWERTRIP20438 ай бұрын
Sold
@chippyjohn17 ай бұрын
Stating numbers without proof means nothing. A larger intercooler reduces response, and blocking more of the radiator inlet reduces radiator efficiency. What heat duty cycle can the intercooler handle?
@motoiq7 ай бұрын
We dynoed it, that's proof! We took our power numbers after saturating the intercooler with about 12 back to back pulls. If you don't like it don't run it. We would and we build a lot of fast and winning cars.
@TheJasbmx7 ай бұрын
Noob question 🤔 do i need to tune my gr innorder to use this?
@motoiq7 ай бұрын
No
@mikeyKnows_8 ай бұрын
I wonder if i can modify this into a Audi TT MK1
@justinmike2zrfe7 ай бұрын
Wait my question is how is this gr corolla engine operating so well stock at 200° inlet air temps in the first place?
@motoiq7 ай бұрын
it has an exhaust and an intake, we said so in the video
@justinmike2zrfe7 ай бұрын
@@motoiq no I completely understand that I put a turbo kit on a Corolla 2zr FE engine and saw ambient temps w just a basic intercooler idk I just think they could have taken IATs a little more serious w a turbocharged engine...what do i know tho im just learning still
@justinmike2zrfe7 ай бұрын
I also drove that car for ten hours straight and never saw above 20° over ambient temps but I guess bc of how close the exhaust manifold is to the entire setup and they had very strict space in mind
@ejot28 ай бұрын
Make CSF IC for BMW E60 535d please
@RHeidenreich5728 ай бұрын
It looks like tube/fin stock not bar/plate.
@CSFracing8 ай бұрын
Yes that's correct - the stock intercooler is also tube/fin
@cerevo8 ай бұрын
Mike wearing his seatbelt on the dyno lol, he knows they dont always go well
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
So the car wont beep
@single_cam91997 ай бұрын
Please do a mini cooper s build with affordable quality parts that are reputable please,(aka vitro build) I Evan emailed eagle if they could/had rods but nothing. I could not justify the cost from other company same liter as a single cam big end couple tho different 3x the cost for a mini?🧐
@deancane92988 ай бұрын
Huh...here is an inter cooler not listed on their CSF website and NO GR Corolla section?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Jackson racing
@JacksonRacingOfficial8 ай бұрын
Now taking pre-orders on the JR x CSF Intercooler kits on our website. 😃
@deancane92987 ай бұрын
@@JacksonRacingOfficial So....trying to market ether...got it
@kingGar278 ай бұрын
Will the larger volume leave the car more laggy?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
no
@GRCDriver238 ай бұрын
have you all tested another GR Corolla intercooler? I'd be interested in seeing the SXTH Element Intercooler tested.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
It will not perform as well, chunky bar and plate with about the same frontal area as stock.
@mhk670918 ай бұрын
I have the SXTH intercooler on my GR Corolla it performs very well. Maybe not as well as this one but much better than stock.
@motoiq7 ай бұрын
Do you happen to have data on it?
@mhk670917 ай бұрын
@motoiq it's on sxth website
@motoiq7 ай бұрын
There is no temp drop data on their website
@georgeslate1288 ай бұрын
I need an intercooler for my LS swapped c/10 with a torqstorm supercharger
@terranceaskew31658 ай бұрын
Makes me wonder if yall have ever tested WTA intercoolers.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
We only ever used them on our LSR car
@terranceaskew31658 ай бұрын
@@motoiqWould you ever consider exploring them in another video?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
No because the application is so limited. Mostly race car only.
@terranceaskew31658 ай бұрын
@@motoiqThats unfortunate, but I appreciate the responses thus far. Thanks for taking the time and for posting the great videos!
@johnnygoesfast93978 ай бұрын
Does anyone know: Does the GR Corolla's turbo have sensors to tell the ecu how fast its spinning???
@ReubenHorner8 ай бұрын
It does not
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
It doesnt.
@vercingetorige4008 ай бұрын
@@johnnygoesfast9397 how do you plan to that?
@vannevels67588 ай бұрын
What are the dimensions of this fmic? Asking for my 06 OBXT.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
It's very vehicle specific don't recommend you try.
@vannevels67588 ай бұрын
@@motoiq well ya think they'll make one for pre fa20 wrx & sti?
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
call them
@vannevels67588 ай бұрын
@@motoiq I do believe I will.
@gusbisbal98038 ай бұрын
I can guarantee you that it had a lot to do with what was in front of it and what was behind it....
@elijahhenry59715 ай бұрын
I thought that to brother
@eljefe39938 ай бұрын
111 degrees is significantly cooler
@SasanSB123 ай бұрын
This isnt compatible with the GR yaris by any chance, is it? 😂
@GRCDriver238 ай бұрын
where is the actual IAT data run to run? Us data nerds would like to see it!
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
We talked about it in the video it dropped the CAT 268 degrees, 111 degrees better than stock and 2-5 degrees above ambient and gained 18 hp with no changes and no tune to take advantage of it.
@user-ub8ck3fi6s7 ай бұрын
Thay dude keeps calling the components "geeked" out. Yet... he's the one who is geeked lmao
@Andre_Westersund8 ай бұрын
Guess you haven't tried out PWR.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
We have and in this particular application, this is the most efficient intercooler we have ever tested, reducing the CAT 268 degrees. The data says it all. PWR makes some of CSF's cores for BMW applications.
@coachgomes4 ай бұрын
All in all, how much horsepower did this single modification give the GR Corolla...?? Does anybody know...??
@motoiq4 ай бұрын
It is in the video
@coachgomes4 ай бұрын
@@motoiq I watched the entire video 3 whole times. Not once did I hear how much more horsepower this single modification give the GR Corolla... Approximately what time in the video did you guys say was the horsepower gain...??? It's no big deal on this information. I'm just curious on the gains. I'm doing my homework and trying to figure out what my next car should be so I can do these same modifications to these cars. Thanks for your quick response.
@motoiq4 ай бұрын
18 hp
@Honda_Motorsports928 ай бұрын
Btw It’s a 3cyl not a 4cyl 😂😂.. but is other CSF intercoolers any gudd like that or is it just this one
@F_r_a_n_y7 ай бұрын
Now that's how you sell car parts
@cnknguyen8 ай бұрын
Hi Mike.
@apm3rk8 ай бұрын
3:06 huh???
@BertoAranda8 ай бұрын
13:00 lmao
@megatrolltrollington8 ай бұрын
3:03 Dude doesnt even know what car hes talking about 😂
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
whoops
@filepz6298 ай бұрын
❤️🔥
@Faces98A8 ай бұрын
Is he smilling all the time or is that just me
@Mathuzela31568 ай бұрын
can I put this on my subaru lol
@MarvinConnell8 ай бұрын
Yes - BUT, how much Horsepower did it make from the upgrade? O.O #MuyIMPORTANTE
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Something like 18 more with no other mods. The intercooler will allow tuning to safely extract much more than that.
@MarvinConnell8 ай бұрын
@@motoiq AWESOME!!! Thanks for responding... =]
@AlbertoGonzalez..8 ай бұрын
Do scions
@JevonColeman-y6w7 ай бұрын
3 cylinder not 4 lol
@uses0ap8 ай бұрын
My CSF radiator it tooo efficient, my damn engine never warms up
@ReubenHorner8 ай бұрын
Look at your thermostat
@GetaDomTune8 ай бұрын
Put the thermostat back in
@sanramondrift8 ай бұрын
all this blabbing how much hp was gained on stock motor and stock tune? lol
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
18 whp which is sorta immaterial because this was a test of cooling capability. If we tuned around the intercooler the gains would be a lot more but it would not be an intercooler test anymore.
@sanramondrift8 ай бұрын
@@motoiq true. Lol. Thanks for the response. But yea, those cooling numbers are insane.
@bm_wuratli68834 ай бұрын
no proof*...
@motoiq4 ай бұрын
A dyno test isnt proof?
@bm_wuratli68834 ай бұрын
@@motoiq it is but not seen the result about dyno and graphic*
@motoiq4 ай бұрын
The video was about intercooler effectivness not power because we didnt want to do the tuning to optimize for the intercooler. That would add factors that had nothing to do with the intercooler.
@bm_wuratli68834 ай бұрын
@@motoiq ok
@lauriedooker10318 ай бұрын
I find it hard to believe it cooled under ambient temp . Only if if was dipped into liquid nitrogen 😂
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Because it did not cool under ambient temp. It cooled to 2-5 degrees above ambient. We said so in the video.
@whatspeedlimits8 ай бұрын
Nothing more than a paid commercial. No data shown, no dyno, no thermal imaging, no results. Just shameless promotion. Do better.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
uh we gave the data. pay attention.
@beachboardfan95448 ай бұрын
CSF should've just let Mike make this vid, leave the slimey sales guy out, not interested in all his corporate jargon and sales buzz words.
@pepeshopping8 ай бұрын
Claims claims claims. Care not about lowering temps. How about an example of specific real world “gains”!? And comparison to a stock one, in real life conditions.
@ejot28 ай бұрын
Lower the temperature, more oxygen you have in same area. You cannot gain any power if you don't tune your car. If you car is now overheating (IC temps too high, then engine cuts ignition timing and you loose power). So this IC have very high efficiency and It can help reduce those temps to not have ignition cut. Also you can put more boost obviously and have much more power compared to the stock IC. Key is efficiency to dissipate heat, not to "Gain" power.
@motoiq8 ай бұрын
Not claims, data, we said how much cooler it lowered the intake temp over stock if you were paying attention. A dyno with temperature-controlled speed-dependent air velocity, testing with the bumper on and hood closed is repeatable real-life testing.
@ebf10038 ай бұрын
Are you a bot or do you just not think critically?
@Clobercow18 ай бұрын
Lower intake temps, means more density, means more fuel can be burned. Measuring intake temp is a real world gain. People are the internet are dumb as fuck.