The Best Rimfire Rifle Scope for NRL22 Base Class (2022-2023) Season

A discussion about rifle scopes for prs/nrl22 rimfire competitions

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Bushnell Match Pro: amzn.to/3QHlnVb Athlon Argos: amzn.to/3AkUcto Vortex Diamondback Tactical: amzn.to/3AnZ8hb

[@commonsense5709]

Does the Bushnell Match Pro qualify for their accidental damage warranty?

[@commonsense5709]

How does this Bushnell Match Pro image quality compare to the Bushnell Engage 6-24x50 on it's highest magnification setting 24x?

[@gibstera5580]

Awesome video. Excited about the build. Thanks for sharing.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Thanks for watching!

[@bisleyblackhawk1288]

Thank you for your content…very clear, informative and to the point! 👍👍👍

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Toimu13]

I was looking at NRL base class, decided on the rifle and scope you picked! I thought it was because I'm bias towards Ruger and Bushnell, but glade to see others are choosing them for performance reasons! I thought about the Arken Optics 5-25X56mm FFP MIL VPR Reticle ($565), but the minimum parallax is 25 yards.

[@CycoWardDrew]

I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the kzbin.infoUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.

[@drummer0864]

Tom you are the "salt of the earth" kind of guy and that's what I like. I truly believe if there were more people like you in this country, we would not even be thinking about the things you just talked about. There would be more respect for each other because we would deserve it. Our elected officials, would be people with integrity and a genuine respect and love of this country, and the citizens that live here. You are the kind of person that keeps my faith that there is light at the end of the tunnel and the kind of person I'd be proud to call my friend, if I actually knew you in person. keep up the good fight and a great channel.

[@thesqaanalyst]

Thanks for the vids. I'm looking to get started and this helped immensely. Already subscribed. 👍

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Awesome, thank you!

[@laciedelayne2aj68]

This is a nice series of videos for a beginner shooter as it keeps them on a budget let alone the nrl22 and gets them something decent without over buying something they really didnt need

[@robdonahue9548]

Very Good presentation & Informative.

[@PVW1960]

Getting ready to buy so really appreciate it!

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Nice! Hope the video helps. Remember that this is just my opinion and you may have different preferences on what you like in a scope. Hopefully the decision matrix gives a good comparison of the options. Other people have mentioned Element Optics and Arken Optics as other companies that have similar priced scopes. Best of luck and stay tuned for more videos!

[@PVW1960]

@@CopperStarPrecision it does👍👍👍. I like your system.

[@MichaelLeopold1]

Like the charts

[@allenbmooresharinginformation]

Grieat point on needing the parallex to work low as well as the scope needing to be first focal plane. Personally I like to have the magnification range low end a bit less at no more than five since seeing the larger picture is important as well in my opinion. I ran the diamondback tactical for some time, but in the 4x16.

[@upStomp]

Great work! I recently bought the Athlon 8-34, but mainly for 50 yd benchrest. The SFP options for ARA-type factory class are pretty slim these days with a moderately-priced rifle. Thankfully, the reticle thickness (my biggest concern with this scope) at max magnification doesn't seem to interfere with the target bulls at all. This is now the most expensive scope I own, but it's built like a tank and fits perfectly on my 457.

[@TADDs101]

Which Athlon model is that? You still happy with it shooting benchrest

[@txrcnoob]

Thank you for the video. I got the cz457 varmint so with the current rules im looking at something 520 and under.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Glad I could help. Lots of good choices in the sub $500 price point.

[@RangerCaptain11A]

i'm heading to gunsite tomorrow for the sunday match. good luck with yours!

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Thanks, you too!

[@commonsense5709]

An unknown diamond in the rough is the AYIN Reaper 6-24x50 FFP 30mm for $159 shipped and is nicer than the Athlon Argos and Vortex Diamondback Tactical. It's comparably closer to the Bushnell Match Pro.

[@jimjones5633]

I was impressed with this video and your knowledge of scopes and I have a very simple question but it's very confusing for me when there's an up Arrow on the turret that says turn the arrow that direction and it goes up I am confused on what goes up does your aim go up or does the radical go up which would make your aim lower can you please clear that up for me thank you

[@CopperStarPrecision]

In nearly all cases the arrows on the elevation turret that give a direction for up are to move your point of impact upwards. This means that if you shoot a group and it is lower than where you were aiming you turn the turret in the direction of the arrow. Same thing for windage. It will move the group right or left based on the arrow. The directions are where you want your group to land on target.

[@arthurdirindinjr1792]

One currently very affordable at under $300 scope that will work very well for both NRL and ASA is the FFP Arken SH4 gen2 6-24×50 It has a Christmas tree style reticle with a dot vs straight cross hair is available in MOA or MILLs IMO a MOA reticle is better for shooting 22lr vs MILLs has target turrets and zero stop Essentially everything one needs to shoot both NRL and ASA targets and be as capable as any other scope in the

[@CopperStarPrecision]

I'm sure Arken makes some decent scopes, but their advertising practices rub me the wrong way. They have been paying creators to heavily push their products without disclosing the relationship.

[@commonsense5709]

Their SH4 simply doesn't do it fir me. I get severe eye fatigue from those scopes. The EP5 doesn't give me as bad eye fatigue as long as it's only used as a 5-20x. Past 20x gives me eye fatigue.

[@scottcottontx]

Great video. Another scope I'll throw out there is the Riton X3 Conquer 6-24x50. Decent glass, great reticle, focuses down to 10 yards, FFP, zero stop. They were $250 for a while on Amazon but have jumped up to $340 recently. Still a great deal, I bought two.

[@scottcottontx]

Although, as soon as I posted this I noticed that the non-illuminated Bushnell Match Pro is $370. So for $30 more you trade off the illumination for 10 mils per turret revolution. And the Bushnell has a Christmas tree reticle.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

I've been very happy with my Bushnell Match Pro for the price

[@Armadurapersonal]

What do you think of the Element Helix 6-24x50 FFP? getting it for the CZ 457 LRP

[@kylecharteris8366]

VORTEX VENOM should it be up on the list?

[@nickgiordano8179]

The features of the Bushnell can't be beat but their warranty and customer service is horrible. I Bumped the scope on a stage prop and damaged the magnification knob. Bushnell said it wasn't covered. Vortex and Athlon both have amazing warranty and I would caution anyone against buying a Bushnell. When you buy a Vortex or Athlon your buying a scope for life.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

That is a very good point. Only the higher end scopes from Bushnell (Trophy, Elite, and Legend series) qualify for the "no questions asked" lifetime warranty that covers accidental damage. I also have many a Vortex product and am impressed with their VIP warranty. However, the Diamondback Tactical has some of the absolute worst turrets I have felt on any scope. They are mush. I have a StrikeEagle on my Open Class rifle and think it's the best value for the NRL22 game, but it doesn't fit the Base Class budget. I have limited experience with Athlon, but many people are fond of them. Having only been founded in 2014 may be a deterrent to some people, but they have come out of the gates swinging to capture market share. Another relatively newcomer is Arken Optics and their EP5 admittedly should have been included on this list. All in all there are a lot of choices out there and at least on paper I felt the Match Pro was the winner. Also ended up being the cheapest at $375 with code MP75OFF on their website. Sorry to hear about your experience with the Bushnell customer service. Thanks for commenting.

[@nickgiordano8179]

@@CopperStarPrecision Vortex and Athlon, along with Bushnell, offer prodeals. All around 30-40% off msrp. I feel that for NRL22 the 4-16 Diamondback Tactical is better. The graduation scale on the 6-24 offers very little adjustment for 2-100 yards.

[@commonsense5709]

@@nickgiordano8179 Check out Expert Voice. They offer name brand optics up to 40%-70% off.

[@karlwaugh985]

have you considered the Riton conquer X1? thanks

[@commonsense5709]

I missed out on the Bushnell Match Pro for $375 or was it $325? Sounded like it would have been worth trying. I really like my Engage and Forge and Nitros. They were all on sale at extremely good too good to pass up prices at 50% to 70% off when I decided to buy them.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

It was $375 for the non illuminated version. Can't beat the discounts on the scopes that you picked up.

[@tufftrucker40]

I'm in the process of getting outfitted for nrl. I have never shot any kind of sanctioned match in my entire 55 years of life but I have shot matches with the boys at the range both high power and rim fire. I recently found out about the 22 matches and decided to give it a try. Im a run what you brung kinda guy but I did order a ruger precision in 22lr but I haven't purchased a competition scope yet, I've been using a nikon prostaff 4x12 bdc and the spot on app and it is a killer for for squirrels out to about 60 yards. I use it at the range and have alot of success against my shooting buddies. Would it be ok to use a scope like the one I described above until I find something I like? I'd like to maybe talk to a few guys that do these 22 matches to find out pro and con stuff before I buy another scope.

[@commonsense5709]

I don't see why not. As long as it has an adjustable parallax for the closer shots.

[@Patrick-857]

I shoot targets between 10 and 55 yards with a 10-50x60 scope and I never change from maximum magnification. And all offhand. No prone or bipods allowed.

[@joostprins3381]

To bad you don’t have the Konus Pro F30 6-24 or 8-32 x 56, mil, 10m, 0,1 mil. And it was indeed very close to zero to 50 m with a 30 moa rail, but still got 5 klicks left.

[@rey-jg4tl]

What’s your recommendation on the bushnell match pro, the illuminated or non-illuminated one? Thanks.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

I went with non-illuminated to save $50. There are only a few times I've use the illumination on any of my other scopes. One thing it would be good for would be any night shooting or when shooting support side sometimes it's easier to pick up the reticle, but those are rare instances.

[@wisesage3289]

My choice is the Element Helix, I prefer it over the Vortex. I have not tried the others. Give it a check.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

I've heard good things about Element Optics. Definitely a favorite of the air gun crowd. Only knock is the 6MIL per revolution, but that's personal preference.

[@commonsense5709]

Glass and eyebox are terrible on the Helix but it's a personal preference compared to many other scopes I tried and compared to.

[@commonsense5709]

Since my last reply two other shooting buddies managed to check out Element Optics scopes Helix, Titan and Nexus and they aren't worth the money they normally charge. They paid $275 Helix 6-24x50 SFP $325 FFP, $330 Helix FFP 4-16x44, $550 Titan FFP 5--25x56, Nexus FFP 5-20x50 $999 . They were all purchased at their "on sale" prices. Some other dealers offer better prices over the phone.

[@acushley1]

Funny how so many Americans like to work in base 10, but don't like the metric system, lol. I like the Arken SH4-Gen2 except for the 8 mil/rev turrets. I also REALLY like the Discovery optics PRS ED 5-25x56. Great scope with very nice glass for the price point. Comes with rings, etc. WONDERING how important min parallax is. My scope min is 0, then 25 yards. Shooting inside 25 yards....how important is it to have parallax set? Do you lose internal adjustment with any of these zero-stops?

[@hiltonmcconnell2563]

The metric system is crap hear in Canada. If every thing was in 5 and 10 then it would be grate but hear when you buy something with Metric on it, it is still in ounces or pounds just the metric equivalent. they said it would be easer to work with but when you gets cans marked 156 ml; 389 ml ; 284 ml; 540ml; 369ml; How is this easer to work with than 10oz; 20oz or even 28oz or 48oz, if they did in it 100ml or 500ml or 1 liter then I would gladly of liked the metric system but the numbers they use on caned and other products it is much easer to stick with what we had. The Canadian government told us every thing would be in 5 and 10 so it would be easer to work with, but that was a pile of bull and we have been on the metric system for some time. The other thing when they switched the gas pumps over to liters. in stead of imperial gallons, I said when the gas prices go up it will be .02 or ,03 cents per liter instead of .01 or.02 cents per imperial gallon and the prices would more than triple in no time. But I was wrong there it went up five times. These are a few of the reasons people here we do not like the metric system. That one cent per gal = 4.5 cents per gal or for 2cents + 9 cents per gallon, just another way of getting more taxes out of the people and not looking as bad.

[@acushley1]

@@hiltonmcconnell2563 And here I thought 10 clicks per rev was easier to work with than 8 clicks per rev...didn't realize it was all a big Canadian government conspiracy.

[@seanbrown7954]

Weight, eye relief, clarity, tracking ?

[@Patrick-857]

No love for the Element Helix?

[@user-xf9rr2xx7g]

6 18 50mm does it work on the 10/22 ruger ?

[@sps3172]

I'm curious how/why you left the Arken SH4 off this list? Lately, it seems to be part of every 'base class' conversation on scope choice.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

It could have been on there, but Arken has had some questionable marketing where they have given scopes out for free in exchange for positive reviews. Unfortunately the shills generally do not disclose that relationship in their review. It is hard to find an unbiased review of their products.

[@sps3172]

@@CopperStarPrecision Fair enough. I wasn't aware of those shenanigans. They definitely give off that 'too good to be true' vibe.

[@commonsense5709]

The Arken SH4 doesn't have good enough glass. THE EP5 might be better suited aslong as they're used as a 5-20x scope. Past 20x image quality suffers.

[@rica7514]

have you considered this one ? Arken SH4 Gen 2 6-24X50 Scope. Also MOA or MIL?

[@commonsense5709]

Poor glass quality IMHO. THE EP5 might be a better choice as long as it's used as a 5-20x. Past 20x image quality starts to go bad.

[@kevinarthur7955]

Does Bushnell still produce the Match Pro 6-24x50? I cannot really find it for sale anywhere and the Bushnell and Amazon sites reference to a store called Euro Optics.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

I don't think it has been officially discontinued, but you can't buy it direct from Bushnell anymore. EuroOptic is a very reputable store for scopes and other things. Looks like it is $369.99 on Amazon (non-illuminated), but if you go to EuroOptic directly it is $299.99. ScopeList also has it for the $300 price.

[@kevinarthur7955]

Thank you for the response! Is this still the best choice in the $500 or less price range? Starting NRL22 on a budget.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

I think so, it's what I'm using on my Base Class rifle for NRL22. With everything getting more expensive it's tough to find a quality scope with all of the features that are good in competition. Other budget options that I see other people use are Arken scopes, but I haven't used them personally. Either the SJ-4J or the EP5 are under $500 after their 25% coupon code.

[@mikek9580]

How many mils was available after your zero? I went with the same setup. I got about 4.5 mils of upper adjustment.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

That seems really low. After zeroing at 50 yards and with the 20MOA/6MIL rail on the rifle I have 12 MRAD up and 6 MRAD down from the zero.

[@RyeLou]

Your decision matrix lists “yes” for zero stop on the Bushnell, but their website says no. Does it in fact have that feature?

[@JB-uc4zv]

I came to ask the same question. I'm also seeing on their website it's a no on zero stop. The Match Pro ED does have a zero stop but there are several other differences in the two, besides being $200 to $250 dollars more expensive. I'm guessing it was just an oversite in the video. Looking at all the other green for the Bushnell, I'm assuming it would have still taken his top spot anyway. I really like the scope and am considering it.

[@commonsense5709]

The new Bushnell Match Pro ED 5-30x56 has a zero stop and multi rotation pop up indicator as well so you never lose track of how many revolutions you already made. They are $699.99 direct from Bushnell and are made in China. I normally don't like supporting the Chinese Communist CCP to help fund their military for obvious reasons but this new Chinese made Bushnell Match Pro ED sure looks tempting. I personally prefer Japan made scopes for obvious reasons and for superior quality.

[@RyeLou]

@@JB-uc4zv I ended up picking it up and love it. No regrets.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

That is a mistake there is NOT a zero stop. Sorry for the confusion.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

That is a mistake there is NOT a zero stop. Sorry for the confusion.

[@comeonsense2022]

Beware of their current Bushnell lifetime warranty. Not only for accidental damage but also for manufacture defects. It's not like how it used to be. They try to find any kind of excuses to not warranty their products then at best only if you get lucky, offer something cheaper and inferior to what you sent in as a replacement. Even if you sent in your high end expensive Japan made scope you may get a replacement that is made in China.

[@AviatorGM]

Their warranty department is bad. I sent in their top end 1 mile range finder for warranty service years ago that had glue along the lens visible while looking through it. Looked horrible... Affecting the image. They said it was fine and sent it back. I bought another Bushnell product last hunting season... range finding binoculars. The illuminated reticle was barely illuminated after trying everything. I sent it in. Again, they sent it back and said it was fine. Not anywhere near as bright as what their advertising shows. Bushnell is a big corporation that cares more about their profits than taking care of customers. You might get lucky and get a good product. My advice for anybody buying Bushnell... Make sure it's good on day one. Plan on testing it thoroughly right when you buy it. Make sure it checks out good before your store return period is up.

[@MichaelBaester]

I find the vortex venom is also a good contender. It has a lot of the features you're looking for

[@CopperStarPrecision]

True, but at $699 MSRP it leaves little room for a rifle ($1200 total budget for base class). You would have to use it on a rifle that is sub $500 MSRP which limits you basically to a Ruger 10/22. For something like PRS Rimfire production class (limit $1500) it would be a good choice.

[@MichaelBaester]

@@CopperStarPrecision gah you are right... For some reason I thought my cz 457 synthetic qualified but it is $19 over. I wonder if it changed recently

[@johnblackbird7523]

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[@Brennan6709]

Arken ep5 should definitely be added

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Yes, Arken and Element Optics should have been in the comparison. The Arken has an impressive amount of internal travel due to the larger tube size. Only con for some might be the parallax goes down to 25 yards instead of 10-15. With the recent coupon code the Bushnell ended up being $375 so $190 cheaper than the MSRP of the Arken. Also if your rifle's MSRP is higher than $635 then you will no longer qualify for Base Class.

[@commonsense5709]

The Arken might not get down to 25 yards since they vary from scope to scope within the same models and they have very poor quality control.

[@boxerglocker]

@@CopperStarPrecision Hasn't been a single stage in the NRL22 official COF for the last 2 years that has had a single target at 25 yards or less.

[@Channel_98.6]

Beginner Question: The Ruger has 30 mil cant built in, but the scope has max internal adjustment of 18 mil. Doesn't that mean you can't get back to horizontal?

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Good question. The Ruger has 30 MOA of cant in the rail which is roughly 9 MIL, so 18 MIL of travel is sufficient for zeroing.

[@Channel_98.6]

@@CopperStarPrecision Ahh. Of course. I was thinking both numbers were MILs. Thanks!

[@shanelofton4329]

But how is the glass? I had a Bushnell scope and hated it because the glass was terrible

[@CopperStarPrecision]

A more in depth review is coming soon. First impressions are very good for the price point. Bushnell claims "Fully multi-coated and featuring our Ultrawideband Coating for increased light transmission, color, and contrast while also reducing unwanted flaring". While we always want the best optical quality scopes, this scope is designed for rimfire competitors that usually engage targets under 100-200 yards. A high degree of optical clarity is not strictly necessary at these short distances.

[@RangerCaptain11A]

now he has a triggercam. we will see the glass!

[@comeonsense2022]

Do they use the Bushnell Forge or Engage glass? Either way, there should be zero imperfections in optical quality at 24x.

[@commonsense5709]

Good glass doesn't seem to be a priority especially since he mentioned Element optics should be included but they have terrible glass and even the Arken EP5 doesn't have great glass when used at 25x IMHO.

[@commonsense5709]

If you can fully read a variety of business cards at 100 yards when the scope is set at maximum magnification them its glass is acceptable enough for me.

[@cz503]

Ok portably most of prs rimfire shooters zero at 50. Some at 25 . Few at 30-35 ext. My question is ; Why? By 30 the bullet isn't crossing line of sights -ok beside this what else I need to determined? How wind affect bullet by zero 50 or 25 ? My ballistic calculator shows 0 difference. Thanks

[@CopperStarPrecision]

For most subsonic 22lr rounds your DOPE at 25 and 50 yards is very similar. I zero at 50 and since my rounds are ~1100 fps my DOPE at 25 yards is -0.05 mils. I choose to zero at 50 yards because that is where the sight-in targets are set up at matches during the zeroing period 30 minutes before the match. For PRS Rimfire/NRL22 matches we rarely dial wind, we holdover left or right of the target to compensate. This is why it is important to get a dead wind zero when sighting in your scope. In my geography the winds are most calm early in the morning so that's when I try to do my testing. If I get to a match and I see the wind is blowing consistently from one direction during the sight in period I might make an adjustment to the wind on the scope, but I do not reset the turret so I can always return to the dead wind zero. Most, if not all, competitors zero at 50 yards. The majority of targets are at 50 yards or beyond so with a zero of 50 yards you will always be dialing up on the scope for farther targets. If you're using a ballistic calculator it really doesn't matter where your zero is as long as you use those inputs in your program. However, if you zero at 100 yards then you might have to dial down or hold under for closer targets. If you have a zero stop on your scope then you won't be able to dial for closer targets. Hope that helps.

[@cz503]

@@CopperStarPrecisionZero at 50 and zero stop scope and targets under 50 years = hold down on reticle Not many people like this for some reason. Me ether How often you have targets under 50 yards? Dialing for wind is out of question. unless 1.5'- 2 mil wind. My doubt was is the wind a factor to consider by choosing 50 over 25/30 zero ? PRS has 200 confirmation targets beside 50. I got your point. What you do for example if your zero isn't correct on sigh in target? Do you adjust your zero or just make correction with your dope? Thanks

[@CopperStarPrecision]

The zero stop on the scope I use (Vortex strike eagle) allows for dialing 0.5 mils below the zero stop so I dial down for targets under 50 yards. Usually the closest targets are at 35 yards. The June match had targets at 40 and 45 yards, but it's not many. If you have a hard zero stop you could find your zero, then dial down 0.5 mils, set the zero stop in your scope, but line up the turret at -0.5 mils so that your zero remains at zero, but you can dial down enough to engage closer targets. During the sight in period my zero is sometimes off by 1 or 2 tenths of a mil depending on environmental conditions. At which point I do make an adjustment at the match unless there is some obvious wind factor that is messing with it. You could just as easily do a correction in your ballistic calculator if that's what you prefer.

[@cz503]

@@CopperStarPrecision By sight-in targets you find 0.2 difference from your zero and current POI. Do you readjust the zero on turret or just make new calculation keeping this 0.2 in mind?

[@Patrick-857]

@Copper Star Precision I shoot airgun field target, and my process is similar. I start a setup by getting chrono readings, and because I don't trust manufacturers' BC numbers, I also chrono at 10 yards to get a velocity retention factor. Then, I plug those numbers plus scope height into my ballistic calculator, which spits out an estimated trajectory, and I take the highest point in the trajectory in relation to the line of sight. My zero is dictated by the trajectory, but it can be tweaked later in my process. Then I zero at that distance, so it's absolutely dead on, and zero the turret. Then I take it out to 50 meters/55 yards, the maximum distance in FT, and I adjust my elevation until it's absolutely dead on there too, and take a note of the number of clicks. I repeat this at 10 yards/9.1 meters, the minimum distance. I will also do this for maybe 2 other arbitrary distances. I then plug my click values at given distances, plus scope height, velocity, and velocity retention factor into another piece of software that then calculates a trajectory, and click values for all distances in 1m or 1 yard increments and it's here that I may change my zero distance until its right in the middle ifbthe cluster of distances that have 0 clicks, snd there are no negative click values. This software will print out a tape that I wrap around my elevation turret, with all my distances on it. The way most people in the sport do it requires shooting ALL the distances, which is time consuming and not necessarily reliable. I use a lot more shots, but they are only on maybe 10% of the targets they would use, so my data is more precise. The other approach is to purely rely on a ballistic calculator, which doesn't work with airguns. The calculations are always off without real world targets at different distances. My method combines the two approaches so that I'm reconstructing a curve based on real-world data points, so it actually can't not be accurate. And it's proven to be very effective, but most people in the sport I explain it to glaze over because they think it's complicated and is too reliant on a ballistic calculator. But I know math, and I know curves like a ballistic trajectory can always be accurately reconstructed using only a few data points. Wind is a different story. That's a guessing game.

[@comeonsense2022]

Given two of the best warranties in the business, I'd stay away from Vortex and just buy Athlon. Less chance of poor quality control and failure.

[@commonsense5709]

Athlon brand is probably the only Chinese made scopes worth buying starting from their Midas HD line and up. I have two of the cheaper Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50 and image quality is very terrible on high magnification so I don't personally recommend them unless you really don't mind poor glass quality.

[@rvrski1]

The combined price threshold for base class should be increased to accomodate scopes not made in China. Beyond being shit, we shouldn’t be support manufacture from a country that’s actively taking manufacturing off shore. Vote with your wallet.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

PRS Rimfire Production Class allows for a $1500 budget, so maybe that's an option.

[@comeonsense2022]

Unfortunately most budget friendly scopes in the $500 price point are made in China unless you buy some of the cheaper Burris or Sightron scopes that are made in the Philippines or a low end Leupold (USA) that doesn't have the higher magnification ranges.

[@comeonsense2022]

I'm not too keen on purchasing Chinese made goods either so I am especially selective and make every possible effort to only buy the best in class when given the ugly fact that they are all made in China. A $500 Athlon Midas Tac would be my minimum. It would literally blow away all of the scopes tested in this video in regards to optical resolution quality and robustness and tracking and reliablility.

[@commonsense5709]

Blame the US corporate greed outsourcing manufacturing to China to earn higher profits while sacrificing quality. Example the Arkens cost $100 direct from a Chinese factory then $225 goes into the US importer's (company owner) pocket and $125 paid out commission to KZbin reviewers (shills with links where to buy or use their codes for discounts) or Arken dealers. Bypass the dealer and KZbin shill links they are now priced at $289 and $299 today at Arken's website no code required unless you want all the free accessories package which is advertised on Arken's website. It might be even cheaper than $100 per scope straight from China.

[@commonsense5709]

It also applied to all other USA scope brands selling Chinese made scopes. It's not china's fault it's US companies greed. If you buy WestHunter (the worst CCP Chinese rip off scope company you can possibly buy from) and Discovery and Marcool and Vector and Monstrum Tactical among other Chinese direct to customer then you're really supporting the Chinese CCP.

[@joed3264]

The reticle is way too thick on the Athlon scopes mentioned.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

0.02 MILS is too thick?

[@joed3264]

@@CopperStarPrecision I don't do the NRL22 game. We have some really small steel targets in our match. I find a 2nd focal plan scope works better. I have a couple Athlon Midas BTR 4.5-27 second focal plan scopes.

[@cliffcox7643]

Soooo can it go down to 10 yards? I need a scope that I can interchange w my air gun.

[@commonsense5709]

Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50, Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50 and Bushnell Match Pro 6-24x50 all start from 10 yards focus parallax. If your air gun has harsh recoil I'm not sure if any of these scopes won't break especially since all of these are made in China. If you put a US made Leupold EFR scope or a Japan made SWFA SS you will be much better off. You will also immediately notice the far better quality.

[@Patrick-857]

Element Helix.

[@rudolphferdinand3634]

There is another topic company Brownell’s. Brownell has MPO scopes 3-18x50mm34mm(T) FFP, side focus down to 25yds, E: Milrad 40, W: 32, WT: 30.5, EL: 3.4”, when not on sale $1000. Warranty Forever. They have a 5-25x56mm34(T) priced at $999.00, also FFP. High-end Japanese glass is not like Arken glass much better glass.

[@georgehager4248]

Match Pro 6-24 does NOT have a zero-stop

[@CopperStarPrecision]

Yes, that was a typo.

[@DWIM-rx1xl]

And here I just ordered based on the presentation. While not (at all) meaning to be negative, since I'm interested in your presentation (tho not a subscriber - yet), it'd help if you'd note in somehow such error(s). It's not a tie-breaker; I just now can't simply spin the dial (so to speak) & have to look when time's critical. 'Course what do I know? Again, not trying to be negative; your info (to me) is some of the most complete and helpful (for me).

[@pawcrawlowens8730]

Im done while you have 50mm. Keep your video

[@CopperStarPrecision]

I'm not really sure what your comment means. Are you offended because the scopes have a 50mm objective lens? There aren't many budget scopes with bigger objectives like 56mm and the difference in low light doesn't really matter when the NRL22 matches are held during the day anyway.

[@DD-gi6kx]

its annoying that people making videos cannot be precise in their wording its not mils...mil just means 1/1000 regardless of unit of measure the until of measure here is radians, but for scopes we talk in mrad or milliradians and then for smaller adjustments the smallest adjustment is usually 0.1 mrad

[@martinkaufman65]

100% Traceability is the #1 most important thing there is. This is common sense. You missed the boat on this one.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

I'm afraid the only one who missed the boat is you. First of all, it's scope tracking, not tracing. Second, by your logic, a fixed power, second focal plane, basic crosshair reticle scope with capped turrets that tracks perfectly would be better than any of the scopes mentioned in the video for NRL22 competition. We're talking about scopes in the $500 price point for NRL22 base class. No one is going to buy different budget scopes or multiple of the same scope to find which scope tracks the best. They all probably track decently well and if they don't track 100% like you expect then you input a correction factor in your ballistic calculator after performing a tall target test. While tracking is important for all scopes, this video looks at the specific attributes that someone may consider when looking for a scope specifically for this division of this competition. This is common sense.

[@redstedman]

Let me help you with some information. Consumers just don’t understand sales concepts and price point. The cheap Chinese products are produced by super low wage workers. There are NO ecological or safety laws in China. Dumping toxins in the air, land, and water. If THAT isn’t enough to stop you from supporting the communist product, dig this. The importer get the product for $100 . He sells them to the distributor for $200. The distributor sells it to the retailer for $300. The retailer sells it to the public for a make believe price point of $500. THEN, the retailer gives you a make believe “discount “ of 10%-20%. So, you pay $450 for a $100(or less) scope and think you made a good deal. FFP is no better or worse than. 2nd FP. Mil is LESS adjustment than a 1/4 moa. So basically, you are absolutely WRONG. Keep reading and learning.

[@CopperStarPrecision]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. ~Billy Madison Yes, most budget scopes are made in China and since this division of NRL22 competition has a price cap, budget scopes are the only option. Can you provide an example of a budget scope that meets the requirements for competition made in the USA, Japan, or Germany? I think you would be hard pressed to do so. While I do not agree with China's business practices, there are little to no affordable alternatives. You further claim that FFP is no better or worse than SFP. To use your words, "you are absolutely WRONG". For this style of competition, using holdovers on the reticle is an important part of the sport. Therefore, FFP has the distinct advantage over SFP since on a FFP scope the relationship between reticle subtensions remains constant throughout the zoom range rather than at a single specific magnification. If you use a SFP scope you will be at a disadvantage to other competitors using a FFP scope. On the topic of MIL vs MOA, while it is true that 0.1 MIL is less adjustment than 1/4 MOA you will find that the majority of competitors use MIL scopes. Furthermore, given the target sizes in this sport the finer adjustment of a 1/4 MOA scope will not make a practical difference. Since the majority of competitors use MIL scopes it is easier to communicate DOPE or wind calls to each other when using the same units of measure. Lastly, lets compare the reticle subtensions between a MIL scope and MOA scope. Most MOA scopes have marks for each MOA, whereas MIL scopes sometimes offer 0.2 MIL hashmarks. Since 1 MOA is ~0.34 MIL, the scope with 0.2 MIL subtensions actually offers finer resolution than the MOA scope. It's obvious that you missed the entire point of the video, but thanks for stopping by. Looks like you have some more reading and learning to do yourself.